Hour 1 – Robot Umpires Have Arrived, Booger McFarland

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Speaker 4: Thought it was on Why do they call it robots, like you're entitled to your opinion, but that was a strike.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Todd, So adding robot See, I don't even like robot umpires. They don't call them robot umpires in tennis, do they. It's just a challenge system. But the umps will be also cutting down on ejections because I was curious the percentage of ejections in Major League Baseball among players and managers and coaches. Sixty almost sixty two percent of the time were related to balls and strikes. Okay, so they're going to cut down on that. You'll cut down on ejections here for derogatory comments there. And in case you're wondering umpires, according to the ump scorecards, they are right ninety four percent of the time on pitches ninety four percent of the time. But you're going to have two challenges, and it has to be immediate, because you can't wait for somebody to look at a replay in the dugout. It has to be with the catcher, the batter or the pitcher. If the goal is to get it right, and you have the technology to get it right.

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Speaker 3: Then use it.

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Speaker 2: But Baseball wants to speed up the game I get that, and they've done it. You know, the pitch clock is great. The runner on second base to start extra innings is embarrassing. But you know they had bigger bags, so there's more stolen bases. Okay, they want more offense, they want more movement. All right, we've accomplished them this. I still think, you know, it's entertainment. You're presenting something. So now I can show you something on the JumboTron and you could see did they get the call right or not, Just like in tennis. I think it's going to be part of the fabric of the game. They're going to dip their toe in it. And I think by twenty thirty, this is how baseball is going to be called.

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Speaker 3: You'll still have the umpires.

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Speaker 2: You will just have somebody up above who will then say to the umpire that you know, it's a ball or it's a strike. Now you're going to have somebody up above managing the game. The umpires will just be the mouthpiece to say if it's a ball or strike, or they might not even say anything. They may have showed up on the screen. But this is where we're headed. I'm okay with it, you know, I've watched enough games where I watch an umpire and I go, what game is he calling? Like they are brutal calls, and you know these umpires are human. There's umpires who will hold a grudge. They do. There's umpires who are very friendly to certain pitchers, or they're just pitcher friendly strike zones or the other way around. And this will take away that as well. And how many times do you watch a game we get center field camera. It's not really center field because it's not directly behind the pitchure, but we look.

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Speaker 3: At it and we go, that's a strike.

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Speaker 2: But if the camera was over right behind the picture, you realize that it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: So sometimes it's an optical illusion.

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Speaker 2: But we are headed towards the automated balls and strikes, and baseball is trying. Now, Baseball didn't change at all, you know, all these different leagues they're always trying to implement something new. Baseball didn't change for centuries. And then all of a sudden they are at the forefront. They're trying everything anything, And I think it's just this commissioner is going to leave his mark on this game in a variety of ways. Whether we're going to say he was a great commissioner or not. I think he has improved the game. But let's just get rid of the runner at second base to start the tenth inning. Come on, that's something you do in little league just so you can get the kids home. So you know, Savannah Bananas doesn't even do that silly stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Todd.

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Speaker 5: Do you like the tapping on the head for the challenge? How about like the red challenge flag.

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Speaker 4: On your back pocket, drop it on home play to throw it towards the pitchers now and if you want to try to get some more.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't want you carrying a flag up there.

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Speaker 5: There's a little handkerchief in your back pocket.

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Speaker 2: No, no, then somebody's going to go, oh damn, where's my I Do I have my hanky?

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry?

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Speaker 4: What if someone just adjusting their helmert and they take that as a challenge. Oh, I was just kind of tapping my helmet out an edge.

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Speaker 3: What if you accidentally drop the hanky?

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Speaker 5: That's a valid point, Thank you, Todd.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Pauling, I was reading Jeff Passons's article and there's only four players on this eleven person committee that voted on this and developed it, he said. A couple of those players voted against it. I wonder if the players don't like this because it takes away their skill in gamesmanship of dealing with a tighter strike zone or expanded strike zone. If you're Paul Goldschmian, you're like, Okay, this up is going low.

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Speaker 3: That helps me.

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Speaker 6: I could I could work that. And I think it hurts the player, the talented player.

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Speaker 3: I think it hurts the picture that too.

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Speaker 6: I think it absolutely hurts.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it hurts a hitter. A hitter once just call it so I know what the strike zone is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it hurts both players.

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Speaker 3: I agree it.

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Speaker 2: You know, pictures get so much leeway. You know you'll be like yep, and then you go, are.

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Speaker 3: You kidding me?

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Speaker 2: It feels like more hitters get upset with calls than pitchers get upset.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think if I was a catcher, I would be more upset than anybody, because that's sort of that the art of framing a pitch to get a call would be completely removed by this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, time, Why was that ever?

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Speaker 5: Okay? In baseball, strike is back, the ball is a ball? Why is it?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 4: This ump calls strikes a certain way and one call the other way. If they did that in football, that'd be were, oh he doesn't call holding that one. Oh you could do past the aference all you want. That guy does very little.

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Speaker 3: Call they do that. They do that in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. If call is a call, I don't understand. Oh that's Joe West calls it like that. So get used to it. You can throw it high and they'll call it to strike.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: But this is where I wonder. You know, with the umpires that they have all these you're graded after each game. But you would think at some point you would say, you know, hey, Tommy, you're calling way too many holding penalties or hey, you're not calling enough pass interfering. I would think that they would have, you know, checks and balances with that. But you're right about catchers. You know the art of framing a pitch. But if you can get the call right, and you know, we're fine with it in tennis, and those guys complain about everything in tennis, So get the call right, it can still be entertaining. You can put it up on the jumbo tron and everybody can play the game, play along.

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Speaker 8: Yes, That's the thing that drives me crazy about this. You put in a system where you can get the call right twice.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 8: Well, if if you're gonna put in the system and get the calls right, just do the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you continue to get the call though, then you get to continue to keep your challenges.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but still okay, So then you get it wrong two times and then then the third time, well, now I can't charge it, and it's obviously a striker a ball. Well now I can't because I use them the other times. What's important getting the call right or using your tapping your helmet times enough times? Right, it's stupid.

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Speaker 3: Baseball wants to try this out.

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Speaker 2: So it's not one of those where you go to a game and go, wait minute, what's going on here. It's just want to let you know this is coming. But this is what it's going to look like and feel like for everybody. Even with the pitch clock, everybody hated it. Oh what are you doing? Baseball is timeless? You know, you should be able to pitch when you want to pitch, or get in the batter's box or any of that nonsense. And then all of a sudden it's like, wait a minute, they're going to wear a wristband. Wait a minute, now, we don't even talk about it. Now, it's just part of the game. And I think that's what these commissioners want. It's just you don't like the kickoff, like, okay, we don't Esthetically it looks weird, but we're okay, we're getting we're getting kickoff returns. Hey, that's great, Yeah, Paulie.

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Speaker 6: According to this new rule, teams that run out of challenges over the first nine innings will get an extra one in the tenth and so on. So if you use yours in the tenth and the game goes to the eleventh, you get one of the eleventh. That's pretty smart of MLB to anticipate that issue, because imagine if you know, World Series Game four, and you're out of challenges.

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Speaker 8: And you start the runner on second and then you challenge the thing that forces them into the Could we.

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Speaker 6: Have a playoff series that ends on a strikeout and they ask for a replay as the guys are running onto the field, like the twenty eight three.

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Speaker 2: That would be a walk. Yeah, you know, I could see where you would have something like that. But okay, at least they're trying. At least they're looking exploring, And I'm fine, I don't like change for change sake. If you're gonna do it, then do it. But you're kind of doing it now. This is next season. They're kind of doing it next season. All right, Satan Pole question today for the first hour.

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Speaker 8: I think we should start with roboumps.

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Speaker 3: See, they got to get rid of that term. That's what scares people.

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Speaker 6: It's like meat loaf. It's a distasteful term. Remember were talking about how meat loaf is Like if they had a better term, people would enjoy it more. Robotoms gives you the feeling that the old guys are going away and being fired.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, cause you're gonna have machines out there. Is this gonna be ai? No, No, it's not. It's just like tennis.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: You're still gonna have your linesman, your umpires. You're gonna have everybody there. And baseball has to have umpires on each base. You have to be able to call somebody out or safe, you know. So that's why you're still gonna have that. You're not having robot umpires.

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Speaker 8: Yes, it's a little bit like the tennis judge is a little bit like respectfully Alec Trebec.

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Speaker 3: In that the tennis.

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Speaker 8: Judge has a computer telling them all of the information. They know the right answer because that thing gave them the right answer, and they can sit up there and be like, no, I know what it is. This is the right one. When you have all the answers, it's easy to be like yeah, Azerbaijan.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, no, it's cop Yeah, because.

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Speaker 8: I'm just looking at the computer screen and it's telling me if it was in or out?

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Speaker 3: And up? Where is Mesopotamia?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 8: Sorry, no, I'm sorry, that's shoot in common?

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Speaker 4: Yes, So why now all of a sudden, I know the technology has gotten better, all of a sudden they want to make sure the calls are right. Usually things in sports are decided upon based on viewership and attendance. This isn't going to necessarily make the game more exciting or compelling. You're more likely to go to a game or watch a game because there's challenges on a ball or a strike, and it's the antithesis of trying to speed up the game as well, which is what they keep One thing.

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Speaker 3: How many games have you gone to this year?

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Speaker 5: I have gone to I think zero games.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you think I'm trying to just trying.

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Speaker 5: To remember I when in the beginning of the year, But I don't think I did. I have not gone to a game.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody, even a big sports fan, is going to.

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Speaker 3: Be You can't go to less games than you went to, right.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying, I'm talking about the average fan is not going to watch more baseball, go to more baseball because they are making an extra effort to get it right.

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Speaker 5: It's all about the dollars.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're trying to get you to go to the game because you get to see a ball or strike called on the jumbo truck.

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Speaker 4: So it's just we have this extra technology, we might as well use it and get the calls right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's that simple.

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Speaker 4: I always think there's a devious you know back from the owners in the league is what can we do to for nagel an extra buck or something or get people more interested, which and this is not an example of getting more interested in the game.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think this improves attendance.

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Speaker 2: I think they're trying to improve the quality of the umpires and the game experience that you want to make sure that they're getting calls correct, that's all, yes.

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Speaker 8: But we're only going to make sure we get the correct if you challenge us to do it.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, I'm gonna tap my ailment.

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Speaker 8: At the appropriate moment. As long as you haven't tapped your helmet too many times, then you can challenge us to make sure we get the call right. Other than that, we just say, whatever it is. How about we take a break, all right? Take a break? Yes, yeah, leave it to you to go.

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Speaker 4: You needed to be something and after a couple of calls you can't challenge anymore.

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Speaker 8: Then you asked us to get it right too many times, So now we're not going to get it right.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do whatever we want. We're turning off our robo umpires, but leave it to you to go. Oh, there's got to be some nefarious reason.

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Speaker 5: That's what it is. It's all sneaky.

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Speaker 3: Hey, come on, kids, we're gonna go watch robo umpires. We're going to the game.

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Speaker 5: There was a.

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Speaker 4: Conversation behind closed doors with the league in the arts. It's like, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna look like we care about balls.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 2: Giants going with Jackson Dart. Now they also have Jamis Winston on the roster and you have Russell Wilson. What do you do with Russell Wilson? If you're the Giants, do you want to keep him? Would you release him? Would you let If you're the Cincinnati Bengals, would you inquire about Russell Wilson? Who would be an upgrade not going to cost you a lot, and maybe you could salvage your season because you still do have a very good offense in Cincinnati and maybe that would be a nice landing spot for Russell Wilson. We'll talk about Jackson Dart come up in a little bit. We make way for Booger McFarland or the mother Ship. You can see him on NFL Prime Time with Chris Berman on ESPN plus Buger, Good to talk to you again. Give me the most important college football game this weekend?

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Speaker 12: Wow?

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Speaker 13: Most important? Probably the Georgia Alabama game. I think when you look at that game, DP, I think, you know, Georgia, we kind of forgot about them a little bit until they had the big win at Tennessee Alabama.

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Speaker 7: We kind of wrote them off after they lost to Florida State.

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Speaker 13: Both teams have kind of bounced back a little bit, and now they face each other. And Kirby Smart for everything he's done on the collegiate level, I think he's one and six against Alabama. Now, a lot of that had to do with Nick Saban, and Nick Saban is gone, but he lost the Kaden to Bore last year. So I think that's the biggest game this weekend, And probably number two would be LSU going to Old Miss because I think we found out a lot about both of those teams to see if they're both for real from a national championship standpoint.

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Speaker 2: But if Kaylen deboor in Alabama beat Georgia, that takes a whole lot of heat of Kailin de boor not.

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Speaker 7: Only takes heat off of him.

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Speaker 13: I think it clearly puts him the position where he cannot be judged going forward because he would have been too and August Kurby, And that's something that I think if you're in Alabama faith for if you can beat Georgia, then you can beat anybody in the country. And so for him to win that game two years in a row, I think really makes.

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Speaker 7: Not all let him feel good.

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Speaker 13: You also got to think, like his wife and his kids, they got to live in tuscal looser, and so I think the entire family will feel a little bit more stable and can kind of live their life in tusk looser. But you lose that game. Now you got two losses. As the calendar turnsto October, and I think the heat gets back turned up.

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Speaker 2: It feels like Brian Kelly is not secure at LSU, or at least I always get that feeling that it's like, yeah, but he's got to win some of these games here, and like this is feels like a really important game for Brian Kelly. You would know better than anybody how secure is he in that job at LSU.

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Speaker 13: I think he's very secure because I know what I know what the bioer is like, and the bout is substantially large. And unless you're Texas A and M who wants to spend seventy five million dollars by not a coach, then I think BK realizes, and I think everybody in college football realizes that there's a difference between the heat being turned up because the natives are restless, and then there's also a difference the heat.

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Speaker 7: Heat's being turned up and you may get fired.

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Speaker 13: I think BK feels the heat because every coach who preceded him has won a national championship. Saban Les Miles ed O's the wrong. They all won national championship in the first three or four years, and this is your fourth. For BK, so he feels the heat. And regardless whether LSU wins this game or loses this game, the heat is still going to be there until the ring has been secured. And so he understands that he knows that he's from me. He's heard from a lot of people what the expectations are. I think this is the best defense that he's had. The offense is not, for whatever reason, clicking on all cylinders. So it should be a good test in Oxford on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Mike Gundy and Dabbo Sweeney didn't forget how to coach. What happened.

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Speaker 13: I think Mike Gundy got caught in a situation where he didn't evolve with the times, and when you don't evolve, you get left behind. I think Dabbo is in a situation that's a little bit different, because Davo did start to evolve. He went into the transfer portal. His best defensive player came from Purdue out of the transfer portal. You know, it's kind of a weird thing up there. DP They got a ton of talent, Like, talent is not the issue. And so here's what I always go back to. When you have a coach that's been successful and you have a team that has a ton of talent, but that team is not winning. I always go back to this, there's a disconnection between this team and the coach. And you wonder how that could happen. But at a certain point, the message starts falling on deaf years, Like, the coach can be the same and the team can have been in the program, but the team is not hearing the message for whatever reason.

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Speaker 7: I think that's the case up in Clemson.

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Speaker 13: Man, they got probably five or six guys that are going to be drafted in the first two rounds.

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Speaker 7: So how can a team that talented be one and three?

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Speaker 13: Somehow there's a disconnect between the coaches and the players. And on top of that, I'll go one step further. I don't think Dappo has hired the greatest coaches to run his offensive defense since he's in the last few years. Like he's got Gary Rilly running the running the offense, he's got Tom Allen running the defense. There's a disconnect there also, because when talent and the coaching staff don't connect, I think what you get is you get one and three.

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Speaker 2: Booker McFarland the ESPN NFL College Football analysts, the studio analyst on ABC, and you can also see him on NFL Primetime with Chris Berman on ESPN. Plus more concerns about the Ravens or the Chiefs.

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Speaker 13: Knas City because I think when you look at Kansas City, they've won with their defense the last few years, and the defense is still pretty good. But at a certain point we always knew the offense would come, and Patrick would come and Travis would come. But like the best parts of their team are not performing. Kelsey's not performing, Pray Smith, the right guard is not performing, And you say, well, what the hell does the right guard mean.

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Speaker 7: It's really simple.

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Speaker 13: It means protection for the quarterback and opening holes in the run game. Well, they're not doing either. I understand Rahi Rice is out with a suspension. You're trying to figure out when xavier' worthy is going to come back. So at a certain point, I think they're going to get their weapons back. But if they lose this game, they're won in three. I think Baltimore wins the game and they're woning three and a certain point, the whole is too big, and I get very concerned when the team is revolving around one guy. And it seems to me that if Patrick doesn't make courageous plays like they don't move the ball, and so it's no longer a team.

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Speaker 7: It's turned into a one man's show. And I don't care who.

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Speaker 13: You are, one man shows don't survive in the NFL. It's too many grown men, it's too many great players. You have to have a team, and right now their team is not as good as it's been.

00:24:23
Speaker 7: For those reasons I listed.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering if the Giants. I knew they would go to Jackson Dart eventually. But do you start him at home against a better team and the Chargers, or on the road against an inferior team the Saints?

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Speaker 13: You know, it amazes me, Like why does everybody always try to be concerned and try to pick the place that he starts at DP? Like he's a professional football player. Take the band aid off, like this is not old miss, this is not Syracuse. Like we're not playing for the Peach Bowl. We're playing for the Super Bowl. Take the band aid off. Let him go play and if he fails, great, turn the tape on, coach him up the back out there.

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Speaker 7: Like, at a certain point, we have to we have to stop trying to hand pick a moment for success. We almost treat these guys like our kids.

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Speaker 13: You know, I want my child to be successful, So you try to put them in a spot where they can have success early so they can get confidence. I get that, But at a certain point, don't you want your kid to kind of fall and kind of scratch themselves up a little bit? Like I don't want him to bust ahead of them, but I do want him to fall so they can kind of grow and learn. I think you have to treat the quarterback the same way. Is he going to struggle against San Diego or Los Angeles? Absolutely, he might get his head beating in, but he'll be better far the next day. He may struggle against the Saints, He'll be better far the next day. The only way you can teach a guy or a player can learn something. I truly believe you learn more through failure than you do through success. Through success, so I want him to fail soon. So shame on you for trying to handpick where you put him at DP. Put him out there, let him play it.

00:25:58
Speaker 2: Hey, I learned more, And people say how you know? Like what what do you buy in on a quarterback? I said, I want to see what he does when he throws an interception, what he does the next series, That will tell me everything. I want to know what you do when it's all starting to cave in, and yes, get him out there, let him play. I think they're viewing him as a savior with the Giants, and if you're Brian Dabele, he has to be a savior to save your job. It feels like, Ken, what do you have to see if your ownership of the Giants with Jackson Dart that you're going to bring back that coaching staff.

00:26:34
Speaker 13: I think if you see the quarterback fail and then continually get better throughout the season, because I think we all feel like a rookie quarterback is going to struggle. But what you want to see is progress. You want to see him. He may not be Jayden Daniels, because he's not. But if you can have some some moments of success the way Jayden Daniels did as a rookie and toward the end of the year, then you can say, Okay, I think the coach can get it out of him, and now I'll bring coach back. But because I think at some point and the Giants have been very patient, because at some point you got to stop the cycle. You got to stop the cycle of coach on the hot seat, rookie quarterback play, rookie quarterback, coach gets fired, then you start over because now rookie quarterback has raced, has wasted year one.

00:27:17
Speaker 7: And now year two is a learning year.

00:27:18
Speaker 13: And then you're in the year three and guess what, at a certain point, he's gonna want to be paid. It's kind of the same thing that's going on in Chicago, like everybody's talking about, like Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams came in. Now Ben Johnson is there. I think those two guys are married for like four or five years. I think that's the way to do it.

00:27:37
Speaker 7: Like you have to marry the coach and the quarterback so he can have time to actually coach the player. And so if your Giants ownership.

00:27:45
Speaker 13: If Brian Dabo shows that Jackson Dart has any type of pass throughout the season, I think you're bringing back. I think you bring him and Joe Shane back, maybe on a two year deal, and if they can't get it done at that point, then you make a change. By then, at that point, I think the quarterback will have enough experience where you can figure out whether or not you want to keep him or you want to give the new coach an opportunity to go draft his own quarterback.

00:28:08
Speaker 2: If I put everybody at ESPN in the octagon, uh huh, who comes out?

00:28:17
Speaker 13: I think Chris Canty's going to be a candidate to come out. Myself will be a candidate to come out. I think Marcus Spears probably is a candidate to come out. I mean beyond that man, like some of these dudes at ESPN, Like it's a lot of dudes that are sawt like Mike Greenberg. Mike Greenberg is soft man. Greenberg is not. As a matter of fact, Greene's not even entering the octagon. Kevin nigand he's not getting in the octagon. David Lloyd, like some of these guys are not getting in. I think the only person who is a non athlete that may get in would probably be Michael Lees, but he just had both needs replaced, so I'm not sure how long he would last.

00:28:59
Speaker 3: How about the chef?

00:29:02
Speaker 13: Have you seen Chefty try to do the lambo leap or do the gritty like? There's nothing athletic about shifting nothing, And I love.

00:29:09
Speaker 7: Him to death.

00:29:09
Speaker 13: Now he's he's a pretty good golfer, so I shouldn't say there's nothing athletic about him. But as far as using that athleticism too in any shape, way or form, fight no chance.

00:29:22
Speaker 3: What about Kendrick Perkins.

00:29:25
Speaker 13: I'm not sure the level of stamina is there for KP to last in the octagon. And I love like Perkins seven feet tall and I know Perkins losing some weight, but at a certain point, like those rounds last five minutes, and so what I would do against Perk is just run for five minutes, DP Like, just I'm a shuffle, shuffle for five minutes and stay out of the way.

00:29:47
Speaker 3: Or Alotsky can't get in the octagon.

00:29:50
Speaker 7: You know what, I don't call him more losty.

00:29:52
Speaker 13: I call him a human exclamation point because he's sixty five and two hundred pounds. He's he's bigger than you think. Also, I don't know if he's tough. He's a quarterback, Like, how many quarterbacks have you seen that's not named Jim McMahon or Brett fab but are tough, Like I just don't. I don't think that the quarterback is being tough, just like you, like you host to show you're amazing at what you do. Nothing about you says I'm tough. Nothing I mean and I'm gonna say that to your face. Now, super smart. Maybe you're a good golfer. You and I have haven't played golf together, but nothing about you says tough.

00:30:29
Speaker 2: It's fair, but mentally tough is something that you know that's that's really rare that I'm mentally tough. You know, I'm sort of like Brady that you underestimate me and then I become the goat, so underestimate me.

00:30:43
Speaker 13: It's your You know, that may be the only time that someone even you compare yourself to Brady Number one, number two, I want to pick your brain on this. I'm going to the Ryder Cup on Friday. What are your thoughts on the Ryder Cup in New York? And how do you think this is gonna play out? Because I have a theory because the course is set up, the rough is not as long because the US is not the straightest off the tea. I get that, but I think speaking of mentally tough, I think the Europeans, because of their experience, may be a little bit more mentally tough than the Americans.

00:31:15
Speaker 7: Let me hear your thoughts on the rod are tough?

00:31:17
Speaker 2: Well, I think that we've seen where they galvanize better than we do.

00:31:22
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I think.

00:31:23
Speaker 2: That there's so much psychological warfare that's involved in this, Like you must be mentally tough. There's a five footer to have the whole, and you got to have guys who can do that. And I think the European team, the way they're built, we've always had individuals. They have a team, and I think even though you have some marquee guys there, big names, they still come out as a team, and a team is always going to beat individuals. So I would not be surprised to of if the Europeans win this thing.

00:31:56
Speaker 13: That's a great point. I would also add to that and correct me if I'm wrong. I think the Americans are getting paid and the Europeans are doing this for free. I think there's something there because not that the Americans ask to get paid, even though Patrick Cantley wants to be paid to wear a hat.

00:32:11
Speaker 7: That's a whole different story.

00:32:13
Speaker 13: I do think to your point, the Europeans would do this and they are doing it for free just because of how much it means. I think some way, shape or form, they've always felt inferior to America when it comes to golf, and I think that's why they may get up for this more than the Americans.

00:32:29
Speaker 7: Would that be fair to say.

00:32:31
Speaker 2: I think it's always resonated. It's more important to them, Yeah, because they have been underdogs. But you know, most of them live in the United States, so it's not like the old days where they maybe weren't playing that much against the PGA Tour guys. Now you know, they're all kind of comrades in arms here. Now you got the whole live and the PGA Tour and then you know, so Deshambo's the one guy.

00:32:57
Speaker 3: That's the one guy.

00:32:59
Speaker 2: That I'm more curious about than anybody else playing. Do his teammates like him? His style of play? You know, is Justin Thomas gonna be his partner here? How does that go? Do you match him up with Rory? I mean, you know, do we get fireworks going? All of those things? So I and that's you know, a wonderful course for them to play, But the Europeans have played well on that golf course.

00:33:24
Speaker 13: I think if you're Luke Donald, I'm pairing Terror Hatton and John Rahm, and I'm sending them out first because I want to set the tone in New York. I need somebody who's used to handling the pressure, who's used to the crowd, and I need a little bit of a guy who's honering. And I think you get that with Hatton and John Romp. My question for Keegan is who you're gonna send out first? Are you sending Scotty and Russell Henley out? First, or are you gonna kind of you know, send Dhambo out first just because of the attitude.

00:33:57
Speaker 7: If it were me, I need to win that first point.

00:33:59
Speaker 13: I'm sending Scottish shuffler Russell Henley, and if I'm the Europeans, I'm sending Taro Hatting and John Rahm. I haven't seen any parents, but it wouldn't be It wouldn't surprise me if that's the first match out Friday morning at seventeen.

00:34:11
Speaker 3: Look at you. You don't need football breakdown golf here. I love it.

00:34:17
Speaker 7: I like having I like having fun. You know that, buddy, I love it.

00:34:20
Speaker 3: I love it.

00:34:21
Speaker 2: Hey have a great weekend. Thanks again for talking to us, and have fun out there anytime.

00:34:27
Speaker 12: Man.

00:34:27
Speaker 7: I appreciate you guys having me. Thank you very much.

00:34:29
Speaker 2: Booger McFarlane. You'll see him on NFL Primetime with Chris Berman every Sunday at seven thirty Eastern on ESPN. Pluts take a break, phone calls coming up in our play of the day after this.

00:34:40
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00:34:51
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00:35:02
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00:35:05
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00:35:07
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00:35:13
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00:35:16
Speaker 12: What the New York Yankees as they clinched a playoff spot.

00:35:20
Speaker 7: They're bury came up.

00:35:22
Speaker 2: First day courtesy of the Yankees Radio Network. Yankees clinched their eighth playoff appearance in the last nine years. They're within one game of Toronto in the American League East. At your Play of the Day, Play the Day brought to you by Mayco. Most cars on the road could use a little TLC. They bring you a car back to life, affordable paint jobs like clusion repairs. Get a free estimate today. Uh oh, better get mako. They were certainly celebrating the Yankees after clinching a playoff spot. Might be just a wild card spot, but they were. They were really excited about that.

00:35:57
Speaker 15: Yes, Marvin, if this was the Athletics, sure, but you're the Yankees and your expectations and not even talking about Babe Ruth or Mickey manno or Joe Demagio. No, no, you guys went to the World Series last year getting a playoff spot. Look, I'm all with celebrating, but let's not pop the champagne or even the bud lights.

00:36:18
Speaker 3: Yes, Miller lights.

00:36:19
Speaker 6: I didn't know what type of celebration. I had to look it up. They had the the tarps out, they had champagne, they had the goggles. This was a well choreographed event.

00:36:29
Speaker 3: Okay, but who plans that.

00:36:32
Speaker 2: Did Aaron Boone say, yeah, if we win, we clinch, we're going to celebrate. Did ownership say something? Were the players aware that there was going to be a celebration for what might just be a wild card berth?

00:36:45
Speaker 6: Yes, you would think that the clubhouse guys got the order from someone, Hey, get it ready, get the champagne, the tarps, the goggles. But you would think that the manager would have to give a thumbs up at some juncture.

00:36:56
Speaker 2: Would you celebrate like that for a wild card berth if you're the Yankees, Yes, Dodd.

00:37:01
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. With their tradition and their history, that just seems ridiculous to me. Even though there's some players that never experienced the pass before.

00:37:10
Speaker 5: I get that.

00:37:10
Speaker 4: Let them have a little subustion, especially if they bow out early, but.

00:37:13
Speaker 2: No anybody else have a problem with celebrating a wild card. What is right now a wildcard birth, the playoff appearance, and you're the Yankees. You got to factor in that you're the Yankees because it's you know, as Marvin said, if it's the A's who made the playoffs, then you go crazy.

00:37:30
Speaker 3: Seed.

00:37:31
Speaker 8: I'm not against people being happy, but it's a little excessive. It's a little excessive.

00:37:41
Speaker 2: We talked about robo umps, the automatic automated balls and strikes that are coming to baseball just a little bit next season.

00:37:50
Speaker 3: Chris and Syracuse on that topic. Hi Chris, Hey, Thanks Dan.

00:37:55
Speaker 16: Hey, Yeah, I wanted to comment on that, and also I just wanted to say I heard Brian Callahan this He Titans was head coach, was relieved of his play calling duties and they gave it to the quarterback coach. So yeah, with a new GM, I wonder if he's on the hot seat. And yeah, poor showing Houston, I wonder if that'll be his demise. And yeah, on the rovos, I think down the road when it's full time. One aspect that's going to be entertaining is you know, the players are still going to complain about the balls and strike, so what are they going to do? Though inevitably look at the umpire, and the umpire will just shrug his shoulders and say, hey, what do you.

00:38:26
Speaker 7: Want to meet?

00:38:27
Speaker 9: Pal?

00:38:27
Speaker 16: And yesterday I caught only one segment. You guys were talking Shaw Shake Redemption, and Paul mentioned something I didn't know. Originally they wanted Morgan Freeman's character to be portrayed as an Irish guy, which I thought was ironic because when Andy Dufrayin and Red met for the first time, they were chitchat and after the chit chat, Andy looked at him and said, Hey, why do they call you Red? And he was playing catching. He turned him and said, I guess because I'm Irish.

00:38:49
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:38:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a sneaky line because they had originally were going to cast somebody who's Irish for then. Thank you Chris Patrick in Ohio, Hi Patrick, Hey, how you.

00:39:02
Speaker 14: Doing the long time?

00:39:04
Speaker 9: My third time I've called it. Yeah, I'm called I want to shout out to the U. Dan answer as well. I've been listening forever. I was a truck driver, so I didn't get to call it much, but I've been listening for so you've been at her house, I think and I love this so yeah. The robo rooms, man, I think they can you know, if we're going to go with it, let's just go all the way. How they just make it part of the entertainment there. You know, you can let the crowd vote on the balls and strikes, and you know if it's a bad call. After so many bad calls, you know you inspired the umpire run on the spot your call.

00:39:40
Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm I'm okay with change.

00:39:45
Speaker 2: I don't want this to be like the Roman Colosseum, whereas it a thumbs up or thumbs down for the umpire. Reggie in California, Hi, Reggie.

00:39:55
Speaker 9: Hey down, this is Reggie.

00:39:57
Speaker 14: I mean, hey, I just want to see. I had a coworker that that I worked with, thirty years old restauran nurse, just passed away suddenly last week. She was a long time Dodger fan and me and her used to go back and forth about Dodgers' bullpen. God, it just used to make me smile the way she used to get, uh, you know, all robbed up about the Dodgers bullpens. They're not doing so hot, but anyways, uh, rest in peace, April resaan nurse, We love you, okay, robot robo uh umpire Yeah, hey, how how are the batters gonna How is this gonna affect the batters? You know, the batter has been you know, all their life, they've been you know, coming up to the plate and you know, listening to the umpire stir rich.

00:40:47
Speaker 9: Well and you're.

00:40:49
Speaker 3: Here, thank you, rech. That's not changing.

00:40:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was all fired up to do that. Yeah, yes, rest in peace, April. I see when you update the poll results from the first hour of the program.

00:41:03
Speaker 8: Sure will uh we have up there right now robots in baseball umps or chumps? Okay, all right, right now, sixty six percent of the audience have robots and baseball as umps. I think that means they like it. If it was chumps, it would be a negative. I think people like it, all right. Danny Hurley, he's gonna join us coming up. Final hour of the program, has a memoir? Is he Dan Hurley? Now he's not Danny Hurley?

00:41:35
Speaker 5: You still don't know? I see Dan, Danny.

00:41:37
Speaker 3: Want to ask the damn what age do you just become Dan? Yes?

00:41:41
Speaker 5: Tom, But Chris ever wants to be Chrissy for some reason.

00:41:44
Speaker 2: She could be whatever she wants to do. Good point one hour in the books, two more to go.