Bigfoot Researcher shares his Encounters From Michigan

Hey everyone, and welcome to the Sasquatch Theory Podcast. In this episode,
we have James from Michigan and he is a bigfoot researcher. He wanted to
share his encounters and experiences with all of us and he has some really interesting
things to talk about regarding the crypti phenomenon. You can find his research on
Michigan Aboriginal dot com. James believes you can find their sign around highways,
train tracks, waterways, and even power lines. I tend to agree with
James, and it seems like they will leave sign around hiking trails, power
line strips, and even parking lots. It seems like you find this stuff
in the most random areas. It is typical for researchers to look deep in
the woods and in huge forests for bigfoot sign and activity, but you just
never really know where they are going to be at. Sometimes bigfoot activity occurs
in the strangest places. It could be on someone's farm, behind them,
someone's house, and there could even be activity in a suburb area as long
as there is woods nearby. All right, guys, let's dive into our
next Sasquatch Theory podcast from the State of Michigan. All right, James,
welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today? Thank you, Miguel.
I'm doing great. It's a sunny day around Detroit. So yeah,
I'm glad to be here, and I appreciate the opportunity to reach your audience.
Yeah. Absolutely, it's a pleasure to have you on the show.
James. You sent me some files of audio that you've captured on your I
think it was on your YouTube channel. If you would tell me a little
bit about yourself, where you're from and how you got into all this.
Okay, Well, where I'm from originally from Dayton, Ohio, which is
around the glacial Marines of southern Ohio. It's full of creeks and rivers and
intersection. I was born to three sisters, they're born to two, and
had another one following me. Every chance I got around the household, I'd
run down to the creek and uh and uh, just you know, be
one and explore. I love to explore and search for salamanders and crowd ads
and whatever adventure I could mess that you know, you know, make up.
I'd make my own bows and arrows. And my childhood as a as
the only boy in the family was full of adventure, often expressed through uh
the cellular heroes like you know Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett and Clint Eastwood,
you know those guys that lived the life of adventure. I love it.
I feel as if I were made for it. So, you know,
as a curious boy, the Patterson Gimlin film was brought to my attention,
and I thought it was always curious. I knew there was there were two
sides of the story, at least I was presented on television. You know,
some says of hoax, others not. I never thought one way or
the other. I had no reason to doubt it. So I thought,
though, as a young man, that if they didn't exist, I wanted
to see one. And it turns out in my later years I found out
that they do in fact exist, not by an encounter or anything. Although
I had some really odd experiences in the woods, which we'll get into a
little bit, but later on I found out they were real. I was
camping and fishing in a place that seemed ideal habitat or territory to investigate this
phenomenon. So I really didn't change my cadence and go to the woods.
I go as an adult. I've been going twice a year, early May,
in late late fall, late late October. And you know, I
was doing the fishing. I'm an angling artist, and I was doing my
angling art and I kind of burned out on all that. So when I
found out this phenomenon was real, and I, you know, for a
lifetime I thought that they were I wanted to see one. I just set
my eyes to the hills and learned a lot from others. I don't know
if you know the name Nathan Rio. It's a suiting and Nathan is his
first name. But learned a lot from him regarding the stick structures, likely
habitats, what to look for, learn learn about things like the military crest
uh places where strategically the places that offered the most concealment and coverage for these
cryptic beings. I learned a lot about that, and I just kind of
changed my focus on things that I had other without Otherwise I've overlooked, you
know, uh during my time in the woods. So uh, that's where
it got me in trouble man. I loved the subject. I went down
the rabbit hole and threatened a few relationships, and I know that uh uh,
you know it's it stresses relationships. I don't recommend anybody anybody going down
the rabbit hole, but I knew what I knew, and by my own
what's in reckoning, I knew it was a real phenomenon and I wanted to
have that experience and laying my eyes on one of these beings and what I've
in my my thinking or regarding this phenomenon, I used to think that the
North American wood Ad Conservancy had something going on. It had to be some
sort of reclusiveate until a few years into my looking around, poking around their
neighborhood, I started recording and I recorded speech and which was mind blowing.
And you know, I kind of knew that they spoke, given Ron Moorehead's
work in the CRSNS, but I had no idea. I had no idea
the extent to which they do speak and they do communicate. And I've had
I have enough audio recording that has led me to believe that they're in ancient
people. They speak an ancient language, they do other English words, and
they also have other vocal modalities that's not only employed conventional speech. As we
understand it, but other vocal modalities that enabled them to speak within the sounds
of nature. And it's a big talal swallow, but that's essentially what they
do. They can speak within the sound of the rain or the wind.
And I've got audio recordings that you know, unbeknownt to me at the time.
Though even those times when I was present, I did not know that
they were carrying on as they were because I simply couldn't hear them. But
the audio recorders pick up some very very interesting stuff. So I'm just a
kid in the woods. I'm kind of a creative type, and I got
to scratch both sides of my brain, or let's say, tickle both sides
of my brain. And that's all through that journey. In the past eight
years, I've established the Michigan Aboriginal Project, which is essentially a distillation of
this interesting hobby that I have in going to the woods and actually learning as
much as I can about these ancient people and their ways. And I find
that there's some interesting parallels between what I've learned and observed in the woodstually recorded
in the woods, with mostly on audio but some on video. I'm convinced
that there are some biblical parallels, and and that these beings or some of
these beings may very well be referred to directly h in the narratives of the
Old Testament. So I'm James Lady. I'm just a simple kind of loaner,
self made loaner, and I'm I'm curious, and I'm intensely curious,
and and that's what that's what legend the Michigan abor Aboriginal Project and for the
audience, that's where you'll find me on YouTube. I am the sole content
provider save for the Santa Claus beliefs and Bigfoot song done by Alan Kane.
So that was a long winded introduction. I appreciate that. I hope I
didn't lose you. And Miguel, I tell you I'm a little a d
D. And I'll tell you the audience that now. So you need to
if you feel the need to bring me back full certain I could I could
use the help. Okay, Well, I appreciate you for sharing all that,
and if you would start off with one of your encounters or experiences,
what were you doing that day, what happened and kind of put me in
your shoes. Well, uh, you know, I've always mean the outdoors.
And I used to hunt, and I was an avid campus. So
the first three experiences witness experiences. One was audible, the other were visual.
Happened before I even long before I got into this subject, so,
you know, just things that happened in the woods, some anomalous experiences.
I used to hunt in Alpina and I was on a blind once and actually
four experiences up there. But halfway down the shooting alley over this log was
ahead looking right back at me, and it's it's it was near dusk,
so late afternoon. It must I don't know, November, so probably four
five o'clock. I don't know where it was exactly, but there were these
reflecting eyes and a head just peeking over this log that was, you know,
halfway down. I'm probably probably forty yards down the shooting lane, and
I didn't know what it was, you know, and I just stared it
down and that left left me thinking for a good long time. I was
later asked why I didn't shoot it, and I'm not built it will shoot
anything that I really don't know what it is. So I that was just
one of those experiences that you know, you know, I put it away
in in the back of my memory banks and that was just a very interesting,
so interesting thing. Eventually it just disappeared. You know, I must
have turned my head or something, but it was just gone in an instant.
At that same camp, I was riding on a when this was I
think it was not during the hunting season. We were there to probably feed
or feeds leave some bay piles here and there. Not my favorite approach to
hunting, by the way, but I was on the back of a three
wheeler it was that long ago, and I'd look up and we were going
down this little service road that goes from the driveway of the camp into the
into their eighty acres, and I look up and I see a silhouette down
and it's behind us, probably fifty yards at this point, but I see
a silhouette of a human being just disappear into the woods. It was like
the last moments, the last few feet, you know that it was present
by my vision, It was just disappeared in the woods and it was all
it was. It was tall, it was slender, not your typical you
know, like the iconic Bigfoot profile. It was a slender thing and it
had a like a neat Army. It was deeper than it in our army.
Green it was. It had a green sort of hue into it.
I don't know why. I've heard a few other reports of people that have
seen that color uh presented on these on these beans. But I thought it
was someone from the DM. It just couldn't happen. It's just again one
of those little moments in time that I put away and you know, but
you know, you say, oh, well, whatever that was, it
was interesting, and you just go on about your business and sooner a way
to forget about it. It's nothing to really dwell on. And then the
other time out in Idaho, we were camping on a on a theater river.
I don't know if it was too that ended up in the Salmon River
around Stanley, Idaho. But early in the morning, it was still dark
out, I heard someone run through the camp. Someone clearly ran by people
through the camp, and I thought it was Mark or the other couple's uh
the guy, And it was up early for a jog. I mentioned it
later. He said nobody was up for a job. But something clearly ran
right through a camp and there right along the river. And I'm convinced that
was also one of those things. So it was twenty sixteen when the world
I thought had gone mad. And I'm a recovering political junkie, but I
had to give it all up because it was it drives and crazy. It's
too damn short for that. So I thought the world gone out. In
twenty sixteen, I was coincidentally planning a camping, fishing, canoeing trip up
to the Boundary Waters with a few other guys and this was the first time
I really had used YouTube as a research utility. And for two and a
half three days I did. I found everything I was looking for, like
school, going to go and all the adventures you know, you could muster
in your mind execute while you're there for the week. But there was always
this big foot video on the in the suggested video feed that was popping up
the hand it woods. It was there almost every day, and I eventually
clicked on that, and that's when I had the epiphany that, okay,
this this is amazing. And I started going down that rabbit hole. And
that was a dangerous thing on so many levels, dangerous because it was so
much it was so fun and so amazing, the pursuits and the realization that
these beings are real and they're out there, you can actually go and hope
to see one and learn about the things they leave behind. That tips me
off as to where they actually commune at night. And in twenty nineteen,
late twenty eighteen, early twenty nineteen, I endeavored my first recording project along
the Huron River in ann Arbor, and from there I've gotten things that are
really quite amazing, varying from female speech as recent as twenty twenty two.
I'm writing this down so I can send you the file. So I picked
up two females on a recorder in August of twenty twenty two, and what
I left a recorder the audience would note, I think structures are a significant
part of their culture, and I do believe they have a culture. And
the structures that I've come across are published on Michigan Aboriginal dot com or you
can see some of my older my earlier publications. And when I was mainly
and solely interested in the structures and the structure phenomenon was kind of crazy.
I mentioned Nathan Rio earlier. I learned about that from his work in his
publications. So started recording and was amazed by what I found and the recording
project I've recorded in suburban Detroit. I recorded ann Arbor. That's where the
female voices were recorded. One says uh honey, a whah, I wished
you in a while, and another one nine minutes apart, and I keep
forgetting whether it was before or after that captured, but another sounds like a
different female species. She says eddie hop Puskin's goose to be and toudosfa,
and that expression is immediately followed by the melodic clicking and plucking that many many
eyewitnesses, those that have encounters with these beans, they report having heard this
clicking and plucking. They can they have a watery sound. I believe I
speculate that that is more associated with the juveniles, but they you know,
like I said, I picked up conventional speech and this melodic clicking and clucking.
So I'll send that file for you, and it's it's just pretty very
amazing, you know. I've god I've had. I think I've talied it
to nine at one point, it was at least nine that I've seen.
One of the most significant encounters I've ever had, well two of them,
and I recorded both of them. One is most recent. It was captured
October twenty fourth. It was a Monday morning, it was raining. I
was awakened by a four foot juvenile. And I only know that because you
know, I heard this god awful sound. Scared the crap out of me,
and I rolled off my sleeping tab and look up and I'm looking up
at this little guy or girl, I don't know, but just a little
little one, but he had it had the most demonic sounding vocalization that was
captured on my audio. So on the YouTube channel, your audience can go
and listen to that. One's called a very rude awakening. And I published
that that night on the twenty fourth, because awakened me in such a start.
I was very unnerved, like shaking inside and decided to get out of
there. I really was not feeling welcome. But that's all you. I
two can send you the juvenile awakening me. That was terrifying. So around
camp, I've had a number of encounters. There's a very benign one.
The May of twenty two, the spring spring trip, there was a good
nine footer outside my tent, probably about twenty five thirty feet away away,
and it was it was super cool because back lit by a near full moon.
I don't know if the moon was full or not, but it was
back lit and illuminated around and there was kind of a classic, you know,
Sabe shot, and it was really quite beautiful and not terrifying at all.
I didn't sense any indeed, I think the audio recording I was there
going. I did not get on that one on the video. I wish
I had because it was just so picturesque and it's it was. It would
be very easy to get an after shot the next night, because the lighting
conditions were exactly the same and the subjects just not there the first night.
I actually convinced myself that it was just some sort of an arbor dy,
you know, some evergreen that I had forgotten was there, and it was
gone in the morning. And that was an amazing thing, truly amazing beautiful.
Did you lay eyes on them, you heard the juvenile and recorded them?
Oh? Yeah, well the juvenile. Yeah. I looked up and
I saw him and you could see, you know, this is at six
am. There's still somewhat of a canopy of leaves, you know, overhead.
It is late October, it was raining. I look up and I
see this faint figures, you know, no more than four foot tall,
probably a little less. And it had moved back after I heard it what
I heard at the time, and I'm going from the deepest sleep I had
had in three nights. I heard this like a hissing, a gravelly,
gurgly hissing, which was just got awful. And immediately I'm thinking, maybe
cougar. We have cougar in Michigan, even leather d n I won't admit
it. And I thought maybe that at first, just based on the got
off of sound I was, I was enduring. I looked up and it
had moved back. So, uh, Miguel, I no longer sleep out
in the woods with my rain rain fly on. I'll put a tarp over
my tents, you know, with some tart poles, and you know,
I got plenty of room and stayed plenty of dry most of the time.
And so I rolled over and I am I'm looking through the mesh, the
nylon netting. The bug met at this figure. So it had moved back,
and it was in a like a sailor's soldiers positions, standing straight up,
arms to the side, peaked together. Just I mean, it could
easily have been, you know, a fairy tree nearby. He could easily
been behind it, and I never see it, but I saw just a
rough silhouette, you know, where the arms are separated from the torso you
know, it was darker, and I couldn't make out any details of the
face. I didn't see any eye shine either, which was interesting. But
I assessed the situation as quickly as possible, and still much of my disbelief.
It's hard to believe that these things happen when they're actually happening, and
you recall them afterward, it's it's it's you're always kind of thinking, this
is just too crazy, is it real? But thank goodness the auto recorder
was going on the time, because it's as real as it gets. You
can hear that thing and it sounds demonic. It had a really powerful voice.
Of course, I'm coming from a dead sleep, but maybe maybe that
obscures things for me a little bit. But that that happens, and I
recorded it. I saw the subject and I barked out and I said hey,
and he flinched at that moment, and then I reached out my arm
and I said get out of here, and he was gone. Before my
arm was fully extended. He was he was gone, and I heard maybe
one step of it, believing they're so stealthy. Still, Okay, what
about the other individual that you saw, the bigger one? Did you see
that? Yeah? It was back lit by the moon, and thinking,
oh my god, and then I'm thinking that it's just a tree that I
didn't remember it was there. I got up and did my business. I
had to go, you know body, and I do that in the tent.
Nowadays, I don't go out because you never know it's gonna been out
there. But when I got back in bed, it was still there.
And I'm further convinced that it was like a number body that I forgot,
because it had every opportunity to leave, you know, when I was,
you know, going taking a leak. So yeah, that that that was
super super cool and not a menacing event at all. My first encounter at
that camp site was October thirtieth, in twenty sixteen. This is the second
trip. I had one trip in uh September and I had this this next
trip in October a month later, five weeks maybe, but it was my
last night there. It was October thirtieth, and I went to I had.
I had no luck all day. It was my fourth night. I
had a friend join me two of the four nights, and he wanted to
see with this whole bigfoot you know, structure and you know all this big
fit hunting was all about. So he came up and I shared him with
him a few things, a few of my findings, some tepiece that I
found, and it remains skeptical and I wish you were there for that last
night, but he wasn't. It was about ten thirty. Was it that
lake thirty ten? It's not clear on me right now, but I was
going to brush my teeth and go to bed, So I'm brushing my chief.
I gave the side of the camp and I've got my red headlamp on.
I don't like bright lights in the wood, so I used the red
lights so I don't get blinded. And I go to the side of the
campus, spit my toothpaste out, and I look up and I'm looking at
two eyes and they were massive. They're really really big, and they're really
wide, wide sets. So it took me just moments to figure out that
it was likely one of these beings, because I don't know of any other
beast in the woods had eyes that big and that far apart. So it
was a big, long stare down for the longest time. And I knew
that if I broke the impass and I'm not going to see it again,
I would likely never ever see it again. So it was just a big
stare down. Eventually, it closed its right eye, so the one arc
to the left from my perspective, it just closed it. You know,
it's not like it. You know, it's turned its head and I had
one eye just closed it and and my thinking is that perhaps it was getting
a little oversensitized to my red red head lamp. It was probably thirty yards
away Max, Max, I can't imagine it being any farther than that.
Eventually, I was thinking, okay, we could do this all night.
So I I did break the impass. I as nonchalantly as possible, turned
around, and that was uh, that was a scary thing to do,
and I just casually walked by back to my camp. It was back into
camp, I grabbed my flashlight and camera and then I turned them on and
I ended up capturing a subject in the background between two trees, and it's
it's about a six tense of a second capture. But it shows a subject
in the background pivoting from the right to the left. It appears to be
white or light gray. And if you ask me, I'll go ahead and
say some people might doubt it, but that the videos is not the highest
quality. But I believe it feels another subject with it, and it's as
if they were moving in tandem. And may be wrong. I don't know.
I'd love to get some expert, you know, analysis of that that
video. Someone someone will all beyond the qualifications of someone like big Foot Tony
who you know cross paths before, but he has an interesting take online.
But this has been verified. There's enough movement in the subject you can tell
it's moving. You can see the ocular recess and the auricular recess. You
can make out the shape of the body, large trafusius muscles. The left
arm casts a shadow on its buttocks as it pivots from from the right to
the left, and that leaves in dark impression on the buttocks of this subject.
So I didn't see it that night when I had the camera rolling,
I didn't think I had captured anything because I didn't see anything. So February
the next year, I pulled that footage and started to scrub through it and
I spent hours on that. I have some pretty interesting thing but they're also
very obscure things. But the one, the one opparition if you will,
that I will hang my hat on, is that one caught in the background
and it's pivots from mind to left and you can see that on the homepage
of Michigan Aboriginal dot com. You can see that, and there are a
couple takes on a different perspectives and that you can see that. Yeah,
it's clearly an upright bipeople, you know howmon and figure back there back in
the woods. Whether or not there's one with it is debatable. I believe
there is, and it's you know, you've heard the phenomenon of couching to
I think that's what these things do on a regular basis. Given the frequency
of visitation to that camp, I think that we are there for their entertainment
and they are there to uh, you know, mess with us if they
will, if they wish, but for the most part, to learn,
h learn. I guess that's only speculation, but you know they're there and
they're watching. Yeah, it does seem like they're observing us to possibly teach
the juveniles or just to learn human activity in general. Yeah, I think
so, you know, they might know our nature better than need you.
I mean, we lo to ourselves all the time about how we are,
but as the people, humanity stinks. I mean, think about it,
looking the upside down the world we're living in, right, So I think
they must know me. I mean if I wasn't aware or savvy to their
existence in that valley until twenty sixteen, when I convinced myself that these things
were real, and I've been in their backyard all the time, so my
focus change and I'm grateful for it because it's the world's greatest adventure on a
beer budget. Yeah, it's hard to tell what they really know. I've
heard a researcher say that they're like autistic or the can possibly memorize everything in
the woods and know if something is off. Yeah, I think they do.
They really do. You can go back. There's some interesting structures that
I found just outside of my camp. There's a I think there's a video
called bent with fascination. Fascination was not spelled like fascination fastened is fast and
because they fashioned three things together. It was a limber tree that it was
easily bendable onto bark, and that bark was a fixed to a stick which
it was kind of pushed into the ground. So it formed this loop.
And it's amazing anybody, I mean can walk by it and never notice it.
It wasn't until I learned that they manipulate wood and things in the woods.
You know, tree bends is one thing. I think a lot of
tree dens are natural. A lot of what you'll find on the internet,
on the interry Web, with all us out there looking and you know,
trying to trying to find these beings. A lot of the stuff that is
portrayed as soft squatch activity, I think are can more easily be attributed to
weather phenomenalies that kind of thing. So what I look for things that are
clearly constructed, like teepees, wig wombs, lean tunes, and uh,
when we find a little bench tree affixed by bark and anchored with a stick,
that is a little beyond I mean, truth is stranger in fiction,
I get it, but that truly to me seems manipulated. Yeah. Absolutely,
it looks like you've found a lot of tpe structures and forts. Can
you dive into that a little bit? Yeah, and again I was first
savvy to this notion that these beings create, you know, these structures,
and I start finding them an interesting place that have a lot of commonality,
like the intersections of rivers, bridges, power lines, railways, even highways.
Around these intersections often I'll explore and when I find these structures, that
indicates to me that it's a likely habitat, or at least nocturnal dwelling space
for these beans. One of the earliest captures I got was January sixth,
twenty nineteen. I left a recorder there and I published some of the stuff
I've gotten from there, but I haven't published all of it because I thought
it's so unique that it might make for good documentary. Thought it, but
you know, time is short, and it never happened, so I should
you probably just get it out there. But the recording starts with a subject
snoring, and I presume what made me record this particular TP was I noticed
some activity around it with the teacup and some other stuff that I indicated to
me that, you know, a juvenile play. Indicated to me that there
was a juvenile in there. It's like childish play, and it was that
play was sort of mimicking a place setting, you know, with that teacup.
That teacup would change over the week or couple of weeks that I'd been
exploring this area. It would move, you know, here, from here
to there. Uh So, I've actually left a recorder there and it starts
out with snoring. You can hear a female subject in the background or some
close by. She coughed. I actually have three incidences of her coughing.
Two of them are within nineteen seconds of that I can actually send you that.
I mean, it sounds human when she coughs. It sounds one human.
But the interesting thing is, as that night goes on, the recorder
picked up some other things that sound like symbols going off or some sort of
wondresh one sound that sounds like a toilets flashing, really really weird stuff.
So you have, you know, human type sounds recorded snoring, you know,
coffee, and other weird stuff on the same footage that that sounds you
know, like demons and other other recordings. Oh my gosh, I got
so much I guess share with you. I think I've forgotten more than I
now know and talk about as being new and interesting sasswatch organizations, but it's
a it's an interesting field. And do I know for sure that you know,
there's I don't know. I wasn't there, but they do speak and
they seem to have a culture. They seem to think in the abstract,
having the ability to conceive and build stick structures, you know, if it
rains the hell of the mystery. Yeah. One of the structures on your
web site that I found really interesting is the circular structure with the saplane.
It looks like it's tied into a circle. We don't want to put that
one. Oh, the knot in the branch, yeah, the not the
branch. Isn't that something? Yeah, I've got a few different pictures of
that win in the winger and the Yeah. That that is beyond my reach
on a pathway, a man made pathway up on to this the top of
the hill, which is like a bifurcation. There's a feeder stream to a
river and then the river itself and this this land this hill, this point
and the bifurcation of the landscape is formed by the riving and streams and it's
on the way up there. So it's you know, I cannot reach I'm
five ten ish, used to be five ten and a half and getting older,
house I'm shrinking, and you know I could reach up and I could
not. I could not reach that. So either someone on a horse did
it, which I don't think that happened, only because there are other artifacts
there, like a TP and other stuff, and I've picked up vocalizations there
as well. Okay, thank you for sharing. And as I'm looking on
the Michigan Aboriginal Project website, I saw one. It's a few tpe structures,
but on one of the trees it looks like there's a blue pain and
marker. What do you think that means? I don't know one of these
places where I recording, they're actually done Warner Housewold. I think other people
are onto these games and doing their own study. The University of Michigan is
just a hop, skipin jump from one of these wallows in ann Arbor that
I'm speaking of where I've gotten some amazing stuff. So you're going to see
some overlap between you know there our footprint in there is on this earth.
You know that I I believe that our rivers are streams. Even some of
our drainage systems like storm drainage under under cities like Mount Clemens, Michigan just
north of here. I believe they are utilized by these beings as their main
highways. So water is the essential elements when I'm looking on Google Earth for
likely habitat and likely places to look for these little what making the real used
to call wallows. So did I answer your question? Yeah, And I
just wanted to imagine one of the eight bad moments, Oh You're fine.
One of the structure areas that I've found in the past, there were these
orange markers around the pine trees surrounding the structures, and I thought, oh
man, they're going to log all of this. They never logged anything,
and it seems like somebody marked that area. And I was watching env TV
the other day and there's a video called this one is the most creepiest footage
captured on camera. That's the title of the video. But I think it's
a guy in California and he finds all these structures. I noticed those same
orange rings on the trees where he was walking around the structure area. No
kidding, And none of it's log either. Yeah, I've seen I've seen
red, orange and blue paint out there. And I don't know if I
included in the artifacts gallery a little mini tpe. Do you see anything with
the MINIP because there's a little bit of red, but that red in that
valley isn't uh, it's it's a few miles away where I noticed that the
loggers logging companies were doing their thing and they were using the same paint.
So I think that that stick that was used in the mini TP, which
is within a bigger TP, was carried or found, you know, miles
away and brought back to this you know, communal space. Yeah, and
come to think of it, I actually interviewed a lady, her name is
Tammy Michigan, and she sent me photos of structures and they had those orange
rings around the tree. And I asked her about that. She was like,
h I never thought about that. Yeah, yeah, I don't.
I think it's my my simple thinking is it's it's likely that there's regular you
know, forest greet you know, maneuvers going on in the woods, and
they're just using some of these artifacturers with sticks, and it makes me,
it makes me wonder, you know, I know, stick structures are significant
in the culture. I don't know why, but it seems they have somewhat
of a spiritual connection with you know, you know, we call them God.
I believe God is real and we all, you know, all trees
go to the heavens, and and I think perhaps that the structures may be
some sort of spiritual worship. And interestingly enough, Miguel I recorded these beings
chanting and it sounds beautiful. I mean, it's it's they sound like benedicting
monks chanting, and it's it's it's amazing, absolutely amazing. Yeah, you
have to send me that too. Yeah. Trees are interesting because they connect
from solid ground into open space and on those are two different worlds. They
say, as above so below. Yeah, yeah, and you know,
as it is in heaven, as so will it be on earth. You
know. So it's it's there's a biblicult right there, you know. And
I don't know what these things are, but I believe there to be many
different kinds. The chanting to blew my mind, you know. It's uh,
if anybody is interested in this and this subject from a difficult perspective up
the works of doctor Michael Heiser. He has a book called Unseen realm and
and from Psalm eighty two he was exposed to well. Doing his doctorate,
he read it for the first time in Hebrew, and it changed his entire
perspective regarding the Bible and its supernatural origins. So he contends that the unseen
world are is a world occupied by by spiritual beings disembodied, you know,
Nethlin or whatever. There are all different types of spirits. There are both
angels and demons. And you know, in this very valley, in the
same campsite another it's this one is troubling. It's hard to listen to.
Although I've listened to it a thousand times, I'll never forget the ultimate dread
I experienced when I realized it was I was having an encounter with something so
much greater than I am. Okay, So in sheer size number one,
I hear someone yelling this this is October twenty first, twenty nineteen, same
campsite. I hear the vocalization some other madness, and again the recorders going.
So it picks up. Not only would I hear, but it picks
up so much more both before and after the moment that I knew I was
having the encounter and so this is this is the first time I realized that
they do, in fact had an ability to speak within the sound or the
general din of the woods. Like that night it was raining, and it's
interesting that a lot of these local encounters happened when it's raining. The juvenile
that we spoken earlier, and these these other beings, I never saw any
of any of the beans on October twenty first, twenty nineteen. I sure
did hear them, and I felt like half an inch tall when I when
I realized what was really going down, and the recorder picked up a lot.
But things that do sound in fact demonic, they do sound sometimes angelic.
There are voices that sound gremlin ish. There little like pixie like voices.
At the very end of that click the ten minutes there I published,
there's a like a pixie like expression that says ober keybop and a much higher
voice than I just said, and it's there, And in like seconds before
that, there's a female angelic sounding voice that actually sounds like we do love
him in this angelic voice, and it's it's like, what it's weird,
I'm telling you me, Oh, it's weird. So be they angelic or
demonic or simply otherwise mortal. Yeah, I mentioned so many too. It
speaks of God's to mine. Counsel and man were made in their image,
you know, God says my image at one point. I think it's in
Genesis he says, made in our image. Maybe I'm not a biblical scholar.
So if there are those in the audience, they are, forgive me
if I get anything wrong. But that's not kind of uh knowledge and thinking
on this, you know, this existence, uh, the unseen realm.
You know, I have a recording and I never saw anything, so it
remains unseen, this realm of various voices within the woods coming from the woods
that I can't always heart. For the most part, you can't. Sometimes
you can sense it. There's like a harm I call it a harmonic resonance
that you can sense. And this is when you know, when the hair
stand up on the back of the back of your neck. I think this
may be the result of your body or your hair, which is it gives
it. It's an extra sensory right there. The hair is picking up this
harmonic resonance. Perhaps in the woods. It's just a plausible scenario. Yeah,
that's an excellent Yeah, well, I've got the audio stuff to actually
back it up. So I don't know what else regarding their abilities because I
was there and I didn't hear most of it. I heard some of it.
I'll send you a minute twenty clip. Well, if you don't mind,
I'd love to connect on Facebook. You can seek me out because it's
easier to transfer files through the messenger mailing. Some of these files big.
But yesa Squatch Theories on Facebook two, so just look it up and right
you can share files there. I was going to ask you, I found
it really interesting about the vocalizations. Why do you think you have caught vocalizations
during the rain? Is that typical? Well, I've captured other vocalizations,
Like you know that video that I got I publish, I published enough.
There's a six second clip which is the main little clip the subject and it
tends away and then back to the same space and the subjects gone rights,
and that all happens in six seconds. There is a vocal on there at
the four second mark of that little clip, which can be found on the
homepage even on I think it's my lead video on the on the YouTube channel.
But there's like a Cooning's a it's a cooing. It's difficult for me
to mimic and it's very subtle, but they do have their ability to coop,
and I've heard other people's eyewitness I did not hear it that night.
Like I said, I didn't even think that I captured anything on video that
night. I've heard other people say that they have experienced and heard that cooing,
and we all know they can mimic just about anything they like, even
gunshots. I have an interesting recording. I can send that one to you.
To you, yeah, I'd like to hear that one day. And
most I thought, ah, yeah, I thought there were actually were gunshots
when I initially recorded, because it's the very beginning, I mean, right
at the very beginning of a thirteen hour audio capture. That was a mistake.
I usually put it on the recorders on VCVA, not just toize my
works. It's a ton of work, you know, going through this audio.
That's yeah, the gunshots is pretty amazing. And I went to I
do little clips every once in a while with the hopes of something they do
in a documentary. But I was cleaning up the gunshot audio and I'm thinking,
holy cow, it seems that there are juvenile subjects close to the recorder,
and they're also vocalizing somewhat in sync with this louder gun shot, you
know, rapid fire going off in the background. It's really I mean,
when you listen to it, very it's difficult to hear. And a lot
of this is very esoteric. I get that, and you may say yourself,
they just take a look at the totality of my evidence and the results
that I've gotten by pretty much adhering to the same method, which is close
to the scientific method. In my method of you know, locating places and
getting these vocalizations. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And here in
the Midwest and Missouri, most of the vocalizations I've heard in the past are
like whoops, grunts, growls, things like that. I've never heard them
like actually communicate with like a distinct language. But I've noticed like up north,
further up north, they they have more of a distinct language that sounds
almost Native American. Even their structures are a little bit more intricate, just
kind of kind of like that sapling circular structure that I seen on your website,
and the structures that are kind of tied in together with sticks seems a
little bit more intricate. Maybe here they're losing touch with their native selves or
what they really used to be. Maybe they're breaking down and becoming more animalistic
per se, could be. I don't know. I do believe there are
different kinds, and I have to believe there are different, very you know,
variations of them, even regionally. You know, I have some things
in southern Michigan that I've recorded that I've never recorded up north. Those that
are the subjects to that. They're in the valley where I record. They
seem to be a little more sophisticated. I mean, the Lord they're chanting,
right, they seem to have some sort of culture. I believe,
you know, It's just my opinion could be wrong. I don't think I
am based on everything I'm observed. They're an ancient people, and it seems
they have some really unbelievable other worldly abilities, at least in the field of
their vocalizations. You know, I don't know if they can disappear or not.
I have not had that experience. I don't doubt Davy Crockett, who
wrote of his experience and basically, you know, said it appeared, you
know, right in front of me and then disappeared as a frog offer or
they missed off a frog poem in the morning. I think those were his
words. Yeah, and you've been around a lot of Bigfoot activity. You've
found a lot of things. Have you ever seen any orbs in the woods
or found a connection between the lights and sasquatch? Yeah? I wish I
could say yes, but I have not had that experience. I'm dying to
see an orb. That sounds like one of the coolest things you know,
that you could ever witness. I think you've seen one, didn't I say,
didn't you? I hear I hope I'm not confusing as somebody else.
But the orb phenomenon, I have not experienced it. I really would like
to. And how they relate to the woods or the universe or the sasquatch
Uh, I have no idea, but I have no doubt in my mind
that they do in fact exist. But and I'd love to see one.
I would absolutely love to see one. And you know, Uri Giller,
Uri Geller, as a as a kid, as a youth, said he
saw this this you know, ball of light and energy and he made contact
with it. And I believe he attributes his his supernatural supernatural abilities that got
be interested in c I A. And they did work together. It's I'm
not encouraging anybody to go chasing orbs or even to feed the orbs. So
don't feed the orbs because we don't know what they are. It sounds sounds
little too dangerous, but we just don't know. I've not had that experience.
I'd like to, and I've never seen in the UFO, although I
do believe it they do in fact exist. Well, I appreciate you for
sharing that. I wanted to ask you what type of audio record orders are
you using out in the field. I got a cheap Noah over here my
bag. I do have a zoom that I keep around the camp because it's
a battery drain or it requires a lot of pottery, you know. I
don't think I can get one eight eight eight hours on that one, but
I got the ones I actively use now. It's a it's called an Olympus
DM seven twenty has the ability to record in like large format, which the
dot wave I think also has the ability to record an MP three. Originally
spoke to a professor of Audi Alunin or something like that in Montana He's like,
I've got to go with the wave files. So the Olympus DM seven
has the ability to do both. I only have two of those, and
I have a lesser Olympus. I think it's the d M seventy, DVM
seventy something like that. It's a cheap one. It has no computer interface,
which is a problem when you want to retreat the files. Yeah,
but any any recorders is effective and in capturing these these are just handhelds that
I can obscure with leaves. They find them most of the time. The
recorders just you know, but they've never taken them. They never moved them
from the spot. I've had them shoved deeper in a few times, but
they've never taken them. Yeah. I have the same audio recorders and they
work pretty good. They have the timer on them to where they'll turn on.
Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, which is great. Yeah. I
used to use lithium batteries on them, but those have shot up at price.
Right, so I'm back to the old doors. H I can't justify
spending fifty bucks for that's it's it's a lot. I get very little revenue
from this activity. It's my hobby, right, So it's it's all self
funded and I love love for anybody to buy a T shirt to help help.
The is the financial burden between jobs right now, which is okay.
It gives me a chance to focus on this kind of stuff and y I
know that all the only employee again soon yeah, yeah, hopefully. The
only thing that I have to say about the Olympic, the Olympus seven dms
is you can't plug up an external battery to them, and I think that's
a downfall. Oh yeah, if I had that ability. I didn't even
know you could do that. I try to be a minimist or minimalist even
in data, which I've changed my habits. I do need to record more
in that wave and go and hire a resolution because that that's the one I
captured on October thirtieth, twenty nineteen, is in the background. It's only
shot at thirty frames a second, which I thought at the time would be
enough, and it is enough to reveal you know, the body calm to
her and you know, to reveal its shaped through movements. But I have
to encourage everybody going out out there to do this kind of thing. You
recording that way that you can spend spend a few extra sense in storage and
costs, you know, but data you know, yeah, well it's supposed
to be and uh, you know you want to I don't know. I
have the fact that even on the crappiest recorder I have, I've gotten some
really amazing stuff. I don't think the fact that it's a crapper recording recorder
recording an MP three, I don't think that's, you know, such a
bad thing. And I'm anotysist. I only learn enough to get done when
I need to get done. Uh, and there's and curb everything what I've
learned. Hey, I'm just grateful to have the recording right captures capture some
of these vocal modalities that helped me decipher. You know, one of my
encounters that that which is published in that ten minutes audio with that crazy stuff.
It's weird. It's really really wild. But you know, the to
the casual listener, you really have to suspend any disbelief in a lot because
there are the stuff is real. You know, there are some peers out
there said, you know, think if not commented on one of my videos
today that I posed posted up on this fan page months ago, I think
just today, he responded, I say it's too bad that that it's not
the raw audio. Well, I directed them to you know, raw audio.
What I do see. I'm an artistic photographer and I sell I sell
art unless I do something with that raw footage or that raw capture and film
or digital capture, unless I enhance it. You have to answer colors and
make a beautiful change the cropping a little bit. You really want to optimize
the emotional response that you seek to solicit, you know, from the viewer
of the art. So there are a lot of criticisms out there for moving
away from the original capture, and the original capture can only tell you that
something's there in many cases, and until you go through a process of developing
that footage, meaning minor incremental changes in applying this in that filter, reducing
the noise, increasing the amplitude, the volume, all of that needs to
happen to really reveal what is what more is there? I mean? And
it clarifies. So when I'm publishing a lot of audio, it's not always
the raw stuff. It's that which I had to you know, develop,
not change, but incrementally, uh purify if you will. And it goes
through a purification process as much as you know, if you were to purify
silver, it takes many, many steps of melting and you know, getting
back to solids to hate melting again, I think I'm not not a silversmith,
but I think that's what I've learned in my biblical studies. I've learned
anything. Yeah, So those Yeah, that that stuff that I put out
there is actually you know, if I didn't do that, I wouldn't know
what's all what always there? I mean, some speech and other vocal expressions
are hidden by the poor quality of a simple raw audio footage. So I
have no qualms about developing that footage so that the listener can, you know,
have an experience and you know what's truly going on. There's nothing.
The only thing that is taken away is noise and things that prevent you from
hearing other things. And it's I get it. I've over modulated some of
my publications. That's fine, that's a fair criticism, but it's just another
iteration of the available evidence, and you learn from it what you will.
It shouldn't be criticized because there's a lot of value in both the law and
the developed footage. Yeah. Absolutely so, Are there any other encounters or
experiences that you'd like to talk about? Any other finds. Yeah, there's
one one when I had all my gear with me and I didn't use any
of it because my daughters were protesting. They're not a fan of the subject.
This this happened in the twenty nineteen. Was June twenty nineteen. Where
were you at my crazy experience? Maybe it was no light It was twenty
twenty up in Marquette place in Marquette, let's see, trying to think of
the exact dates in the year. I think it was June. Anyway,
I was with my two daughters and in one of my daughter's friends and who
grew up in the up. We went up to Little Presquyle Points, which
is just northwest of Marquette, and it's a place where you can go out
and do a little moon moon gazing, which the girls wanted to do,
but this was like after midnight, and I didn't want them to go alone.
I was tucked out from like two hikes that day. But you know,
that area is so beautiful and I wasn't about to left the pronounce,
so I went. I had all my gear, my recording gear, I
had my pistol on my side and we went out to the peer to the
end. I was playing a little bit with my infrared camera. I bought
this cheap Amazon, but just having a little bit of fun with that getting
into the equipment. Had I did Brook, my youngest. She she went
off somewhere and I thought she went down the shoreline opposite where my brother daughter
and her phone were, So I called out, you know, his name,
Brooke. When thinking back, it sounded maybe like someone doing a sasquatch
call. He was, you know, I look at you know, I'm
calling yeah along the shoreline really loud, and I didn't hear from now I'm
starting to panic and I go back and it turns out she had just gone
him in a little bit and then kind of came back out and she was
with my daughter and Elizabeth friends. So anyway, on the way out,
we were not quite to the car. It was probably I don't know,
within fifty yards in the car or something like that. I'm looking. I'm
behind the girls maybe by fifteen twenty feet, and I'm looking at a red
light and I thought it was maybe a reflector in the woods. I had
my red hand head lamp on again and I catched this red actually two lights.
It turns out to be eye shine. It was the first time I
had ever seen red eye shine, and based on what I knew back then
at the time, and think, okay, this is bad. Red eyes
are bad. Red in the wood, this is bad. I had never
seen for all the years of the mountin woods, I've never seen red eye
shine. And these were big eyes and really wide set. And and I
call the girls back and they come back, and I'm on my knees.
I'm trying to forget that. I se goes, you see this? What
is that? And then these two reflectors that what I was trying to rule
out, they start to move. They moved very almost imperceptibly to its left,
so toward our right, and that happens to be toward the parking lot.
And then it moved very slowly back and that's when I when by the
time it got back to its original, you know, facing position, after
the very slill movement, another eye had appeared to its right, so to
our left, just a singular role. And between those two and I guess
then to be apart by three three, But between those two and above it
another singular eye made appearance of this eye, another big eye, and I
saw one it was revealed by the silhouette of leaves being moved from and I
saw the silhouette of police moved away to reveal this eye. So I'm thinking
ship the shoot. Sorry, uh, there are three of these things.
And that's when I told my girls. I said, please, you know,
uh, don't run. It was my first stay together, don't run
and let's go back. They witnessed all of this except my youngest Brooks.
She did not witness that. She's a little shorter in stature and she was
in the back of the huddle. And yeah, that was that was terrifying.
And Elizabeth, the young lady who grew up in the up, she
had never had an experience like that. And I had my recording when I
had my fear, I had, I had, I had my go pro
and all that, and I just didn't even think at all to pull them
out at the time. Once she realized that, okay, this is a
living being. Those eyes moved and this is eyeshine and they're huge and r
the wide set, it's like it was pretty. It was pretty. My
daughters were terrified. Elizabethan, Yeah, I can only imagine how high off
the ground were these eyes. They seem they seemed to be lower than us.
Now this is interesting. I had gone back some months later, so
this wasn't in June. It wasn't June. It was an augustite to the
family vacation, and my wife my fiancee at the time, joined us as
well and my daughter. We were back in the same spot, and I
had her tell me when she thought I was at the place where we saw
the eyes from from the path from the trail, so I went. It
was about sixty feet right beyond that sixty feet it was a downwards hill like
that sixty feet was a little ridge, and if you went much further you'd
be down So originally at the time, it appeared we were at least eye
level, or they were maybe a little below us. It's I attributed that
to the fact that they would be on that ridge the night that we made
eye contact. And I believe that one that's very slowly moved to the left
and right, I think was basically saying, go you know read. I've
not had the mind speak experience in otherwise as often and as as close as
I have to been to these beings. I don't. I cannot identify with
anybody that has claims they have had that mind speaking business. I don't doubt
it. I just haven't had that experience anything. I mean, anything can
happen if you listen to vocalizations, the the angelic and demonic vote voices during
that ten minutes audio publications which was surrounding that encounter. You know, nothing's
too hard, I believe once you can fully grasp the sure number of individual
vocals that were that were the vocal signatures that were captured that night, and
the many angelic and tomonic ways voices. Yeah, I've heard of a lot
of reports here in Missouri where people see the red eye shine and they're very
adamant about what they encountered. And a lot of these are down to earth
people, hardworking people, and they don't have very many experiences, but they'll
swear up and down that they've seen red eyes. And some of them were
self illuminated. Some were seen, you know, like when they hit the
brake light, they could see big shining eyes things like that. Yeah,
that's terrifying they're behind you. Yeah, absolutely, I haven't seen that yet.
I have seen eye shine whenever I hit a whole clan of sasquatch with
the spotlight, and I thought it was They were like glowing like a gold
color, maybe like a yellowish green color. But they were low to the
ground too. And this is kind of like a mind speak story. I
mean, I didn't hear anything, but I thought to myself whenever I was
looking at these eyes, because the light would only penetrate like the front of
the woods, it wouldn't like hit into the woods and light up everything.
I was thinking, man, maybe those are deer. If that was sasquatch,
the eyes would be much higher off the ground. And as soon as
I thought that, one of the sets of eyes goes up to about like
ten or twelve feet like an elevator. Yeah. It was scary. Yeah,
And I actually seen a sasquatch right after that. After I seen that
group hit them with the spotlight, I heard something coming from the other direction.
So I spun around and I was shining light in that direction, and
a big gray one walked through a clearing and I was like, oh my
god, that's them, and I didn't go outside. I was terrified.
Yeah, when such a rush though, like I actually as as intimidated as
I have been, as unnerved as I have been in the past, I'm
going to go back, you know. I just I love being out there.
I love sleeping on the ground, I love I love the valley and
just driving through it, chilling and taking in all of nature and doing whatever
the hell you want to your own chills and speed, and it's just it's
my favorite playground. And it's just a wonderful, wonderful place to be.
And you'll hear me in some of my videos. I like in this place
to like Eden. And when you think about it, our watersheds are like
him Eden. It's like, uh, you know, the source of all
water is the source of all life and and on earth. Yeah, I
believe that Eden still exists. We just call it the woods. Yeah,
very well, could be. Okay, what other experiences do you have?
What else would you like to share? Oh? God, other experiences.
I just I've experienced the house lab back of the honey Camp. There was
a big crack on the side of the house. We all went out to
investigate. There was nothing on the roof, there was nothing on the side
of the house. It was definitely just this big crack. This happened.
It was dark, probably after nine o'clock, a bunch of a bunch of
hunters inside, you know, playing cards and drinking and throwing darks. You
know, it's this counting coup kind of thing, that these beings are just
far closer to us than we ever really realized. If you're not savvy included
into their existence, you could easily just you know, remain ignorant for then
entire lifetime. Yeah, you know, open the mind after this other experiences.
You know, I just want people that there is a cost doing this,
not only financial in time, but social wise. You know, I've
had relationships that have been strange. My relationship now with my daughters is estranged.
You know, I chose not to involve them too much, but they
were they were parts and privy to my early enthusiasm while I was going down
the rabbit horle turn them off to it, and it's it really is unfortunate
that the people you want to share this experience with, most of your friends,
your family, your children, you know, your parents, they don't
want to hear it. It's like, it's it's the most frustrating and I
might even say insulting things that someone can experience because you've seen them. I've
seen them. It's easy for you and I to speak of this reality,
but you know, people don't want to hear about it. I think people's
heads are so far up their rear ends these days are in their phones and
maybe they're the same thing. You know, people don't realize that this is
a real phenomenon. So I've gone down the rabbit hole. I don't wish
for anybody else to suffer relationship wise. That's so considerately. That's a gift
to your listening audience. Uh I uh, this this phenomenon is real and
there's so much to learn from it. Just I mean, I'll sit at
a bar sometimes and just strike up a conversation just to test the waters,
to see test their stat and occasionally gets someone who's you know, really interested
and intrigued about the subject that I'm happy to talk to about it because I
can't talk about it at home. I got to do it. It's some
you know, some stranger that a have hour, right, and how has
this affected your relationships? Also? My you know my wife now, she
she when we were engaged, she was going to let me go. She
told me she's about letting you go. My response to that was that that
would be unfortunate. We are very happily married. Now she's an amazing woman.
She's finally not rolling our eyes anymore about you know, when I speak
in this, our hosts for Easter supper yesterday. Our host father is interested
in the subject. He wants me to speak at one of his Moments groups,
which I'm happy to do. But he, you know, he was
asking. So I'm not gonna, you know, say we have to go
to the other room and talk about this anymore. So I'll speak with it,
speak about it in front of family friends, and you know, they're
getting to the point where, you know, I think they know that I've
actually done something productive in this. You know, it's an unusual hobby.
I get it, it's a bit unorthodox, But is it back in the
day when most of the world's population, at least the educated, even the
uneducated, we're you know, we're biblically centered. There's something I think.
I think they're very existence. Uh firm's biblical narratives, and I believe they're
very existence. Challenges the theory of evolution, I'm no longer sure that evolution
is a thing. I think adaptation is a thing. And we all adapt
in a big will become according to the demands of our environments, whether the
home life or work life or whatever. We adapt and we just made the
work. You have to be somewhat mer curial and the ability to uh,
you know, I'm blended into certain environments. But that this, I don't
know. I don't know. If tangent, I've lost a really good point
about evolution adaptation. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not convinced that,
you know. I am more so convinced, you know, if evolution
is a thing, these beings were around a lot longer than we were because
we, if anything, or if it's the other way around, we have
devolved. And I don't believe that we have physically anatomically. I just don't
I believe, you know, it's it's fodder for conversation, for future conversation.
I'm not an expert. I'm just I'm a salesman, I'm a I'm
an artist, I'm a sasquash stand political junkie. You know. Yeah,
even Darwin said in his book that none of this is concrete and has been
scientifically proven, and it's all a theory. But they don't talk about that.
Party rode down. I didn't know that, Yeah, I bet.
And you know if if these beings, I mean, they aren't, they
speak, and they speak with the tongue of that is ancient, a tongue
that is familiar. And and these other you know, vocal modalities, the
clicking, the melodic clicking and clucking. I've got three short clips that I'll
send you that have all three have they have conventional speech and the melodic clicking
and clucking. Let's clubs. I'll send those to you. But you know
that they're real. They exist, I mean, and the audio evidence I
have is physical evidence. The totality of my evidence alone, I think is
enough to have your most ardent skeptic, not the wilfully ignorant, not those
who are just you know, in your face, not those that are being
less than friendlier kind attitude. Yeah, yeah, it will grow up.
You know, you really know nothing seriously, and I know nothing. I'm
still I've been reading the Bible. I'm formerly atheist too. I have been
reading the Bible enough for every twelve years and between recently was four Bible studies.
I'm you know, not working right now. I got to adstructure of
my week and I'm fascinated by the narratives of the Biden and insights into the
human nature and humanity itself. It's very interesting. We've even had atheist in
one of our Bible studies email in terms, but you know, we welcome.
Yeah, everybody changes Old Testament. Yeah yeah, but the Old Testament
narratives. It's like, wow, it seems like the answers are right here
in this whole book. You know. It's things that we think are common
day practices, things that we came up with in our society, are actually
things that are pulled from the Bible and ancient history. Oh yeah, even
medical practices. Yeah, and colloquial says, it's amazing. I'll often become
by these colloquial you know, saying, especially based people didn't know that until
I started reading. Yeah, people think, oh, germs is something that
we discovered recently and we know a lot about it now, and people back
then they didn't really know. They're all dirty. But if you look at
like Leviticus in the Bible, they're talking about all that you have to wash
all your clothes, you have to clean yourself, and they talk about all
these different diseases that are still practiced today, and we still don't really know
much about it today. I mean, they'll give you medications and stuff,
but it won't really fix the problem. But it seems like they knew what
was going on, you know, separate this person from the rest of the
group and things like that, right, Yeah, like the lepers, you
don't want to live next to it. M hm. And that was pretty
good society. You know, people say that may have been cool, but
yeah, bathe yourself, wash your hands, and clean all your clothing,
you know, everything like that that we still do today. Yeah, eating
certain meats with milk milk, I don't want to do that, at least
back in the day. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So if
you find somebody, let's say, somebody with my status or your status that
believes in Bigfoot, and we dive into this pretty hardcore. If you find
somebody that believes you, you know, a partner, would would you say
keep that person around? Oh yeah, hell yeah, yeah, it's your
own Saturday's sake, you know. Yeah, it's probably hard to find like
let's say, oh, this person didn't work out, I'm gonna move on
to something new. It's probably hard to be like, oh, by the
way, I believe in Bigfoot and have to do that every time you date
somebody new, you know what I mean. That's a tough one because my
wife, Yeah, my wife said, because we met on match dot com.
She said, if I knew you were in a big thing, I
wasn't at the time. I could give a rip at the time, you
know, she said, if I put that in my in my dating profile,
she would never have, you know, which is a shame. It's
a dime shamed. She's finally coming around, and you know, I want
to talk to you about things and the Sheer book. I mean, I've
done some things that are not completely novel, but you know, I've been
able to repeatedly get vocal expressions on on audio by week, going back to
the same place as time and again. You know, the same two people
from which I got recorded a chance also recorded. It's about a fifty two
second clip, multiple subjects. Now, I got the close quarter of captures
which I usually get when I leading quarters in these structures. I got some
whistling and some speech and a little bit the more furtive stuff, the quiet,
you know, more esoteric stuff. But in this capture you have subjects
throughout the valley, seemingly communicating in a very civilized and sophisticated way. And
it's not chaos. It's not what you would expect from a you know,
a plan of chimpanzees or you know, going back and forth. They probably
have their own language, but I don't know that it's decipherable to us.
What I've captured here in that fifty two second clip, I call it the
Michigan Valley Voices. I recommend the audience listen to version two point zero.
It's a little more modulated, clarified, developed clip, and it reveals civil
discourse going on among these ancient beings who are speaking with a variety and vocalm
on Bobbie's including conventional speech. And you can hear that Michigan Valley Voices version
two point zero. It's super super cool. Yeah, I appreciate you for
sharing that with us, James. And do you think their language is somehow
associated with the Native Americans and possibly the Natives are associated with like the pre
the Louvium period, with like the giants, you know, pre flood age.
Yeah, I'd say I'm open to any of that. I can't say
that that's not the case. I would think that's likely the case. And
you know, there's two female voices that I captured along the Huron River in
twenty twenty two Augusta. You'll get those clips and you will hear especially one
of them sounds like a Native American tongue. The other doesn't to me,
and the other that didn't to me. I think it is their own language,
and it's sort of reinforced by the fact that the melodic clicking and clucking
immediately follows that expression. And that expression was the honey hot hoskins most of
the eastern to the Osta. In the melodic clicking and clucking. The other
vocal expression, which is either nine minutes before the other one but on the
same footage, definitely sounds First Nations, and that that expression is honey a
law, I will shig, you want a whah. It's beautiful and you
can hear others in the background. You have to listen closely. There is
the drone of a prop plane in the last bits of that that clip.
But which is another interesting thing. When I hear planes go over when they
are engaged in in you know, communication, they seem to elevate their their
volume a little bit. In consonant with the you know, introduction of the
plain noise. It's pretty interesting phenomenon to reserve. Yeah, that is interesting.
I heard a research group here in Missouri talk about how they can speak
Abunaki, which I don't really know what that is. I think it's like
an ancient Native American language. And I think one of the things they showed
me or taught me was aho o cigosu, which means hello, how are
you? And abunaki? Does that sound like anything you've recorded aho o cegosu
that does not that particular expression. Yeah, I'm just trying to see if
there's a correlation possibly, but man, it's hard to find patterns with these
things. Are like, for sure answers. It's like once you think you
know one thing, that leads to like a thousand more questions that lead to
like a million more questions, and then next thing, you know, you're
kind of right back where you started. But I guess that that's the rabbit
hole that we speak of. Yeah, well where I started. I'm not
going to go back there, because you know, these I'm convinced there are
people. I'm convinced that they have a variety of vocal modalities. I there
is some uh room for doubt in my recording is about what I'm actually because
that that's sound that sounds like a toilet flushing or the other demonic weird stuff
that sounds absolutely demonic. It's four times, uh, four times I've recorded
the expressions that sound exactly like Jesus Christ, I swear to God. And
it's like, so I do believe. I don't know what that means.
I don't know what to make of that. I mean, if one of
these big, you know, beings is out of the woods and they turn
a corner and there's someone I ad, Jesus Christ will probably be the first
thing that came out of my mouth, you know, just out of out
of sheer surprise, like oh uh so maybe maybe that's maybe that's the origin
of their you know, other than what sounds like Jesus Christ's. I don't
know, there's I don't have all the answers. It's it's very very bizarre,
a topic of study and nearly impossible to it will never be mastered.
But from what I found and with the success I've had capturing audio among the
various river draining systems around Michigan, I'm convinced that there are different kinds if
they are of an angelic or demonic ground, maybe have different roles. I
don't know, it's all speculation. And earlier I said, I need to
take both sides of my brain. This is like the perfect hobby to do
it. And it's tough, you know, get you outside, get your
hiking, and you know it's it's uh. I don't know. I listened
to a little voice. This has been the greatest adventure of my life and
I'm looking forward to more adventures in the future. Yeah. Absolutely. I
noticed that you mentioned you've heard like a toilet flushing on your audio recorder.
I've had the same thing that happen off the Merrimack River here in Missouri.
I camped out there an area where I had experiences at and that's what it
sounded like, like somebody flushed the toilet. Wow, that or like comparable
to like hitting a big metal drum or something. I was really thinking it
sounded like a toilet. It was weird. Well, I'll have to send
you my toilet clip. And there's a voice that sounds like it sounds like
a then this crazy like chirping, and then the toilet washing sound. It's
it's it's bizarre, and I don't know what to make of it. I
did run into a woman who knew of the area where I claimed to have
captured at the time some big foot on here. She goes, I don't
believe in that, but I saw a dog man. She was. It
was a foggy that ran in front of a car. I know it exactly
the road which is smacked down in the middle of the area that I explore.
And she says she saw a dog man. So I'm some of my
earlier stuff I may have. I may have vocalizations. I don't know.
And if that's the case, they are somewhat different from the Sasquatch vocalizations,
but they do share similar vocal modalities, like this harmonic resonance description that I
give it. Yeah, that is very interesting, and you make me want
to go out and hang more audio. I kind of get burnt out after
a while listening to so much audio and not get anything. And you just
sit there and listen to all the white noise and the wind, the bugs,
and it's like, oh man, there's nothing again. Yeah, but
where are you leaving your recorders in areas where I've seen them, where I've
had experiences at where I find structures and like you said, like close to
water and like that perfect habitat. But mainly in areas where I find structures
and notice the activity. Okay, yeah, keep an eye instructions, bug
those structures, and when you find those that are clearly like the TP's riglans
like that's where. That's pretty much all except for my encounter audio and audio
captures right at the campsite. All my published stuff has been captured from the
base of TP's wigwams and tees. Yeah. A lot of stuff is by,
like highways and county roads, so you'll hear like side by sides going
by in big diesel trucks and it's like, oh man, not another one.
Yeah yeah, and they are they are that close, and you still
can pick up that, you know, some vocals. Unfortunately, you have
that the din of you know, everyday human life going on. That can
be challenging at times. I've also found that, you know, when it's
raining, I mentioned that thirteen hours, but I have it rained on and
off most of that night, and it's, uh, you want to I
don't know if the rain cites them and gets them moving. I do believe
that they move in the rain. Maybe that's why, you know, throughout
the three recorded encounters at the camp, I recorded that you was raining.
I don't know, it's just a mystery. Yeah, maybe they know people
aren't out in the rain and that's when they decide to move around. Oh
yeah, yeah, I mean that that The night of October twenty first,
twenty nineteen, I was a Monday night. I moved my trip up.
I was going to go Wednesday through the weekend as I usually do, and
but the buddy's mom and passed away, and I wanted to make the wake
on Friday, so I just moved my trip up and truncated it by one
day. And it was the first night that it was it was raining.
And that's when all that all the weird, the really weird vocals that I
recorded outside the camp it was that was it was raining. It makes it
hear speak some people speak of the elementals and you know, I know when
it's raining, and it provides more cover and concealment for them to move and
not a lot of know we people are out there, So you know,
maybe it's just a man a matter of circumstance that they're out and moving in
the rain, I don't know, or maybe the rain enables them to exist
if they are of an unseen realm, maybe the elements, you know,
can shed a little light, if you will, on their ability to manifest
in this. In this, I had no idea. I'm talking out of
my room. So we just don't know. Yeah, it is called sasquatch
theories, so any theories are open to debate. And yeah, I mean
I feel like if they can go invisible, turn into orbs, whatever it
may be, that there's something going on behind the scenes, whether it's like
alien manipulation, shape shifters, demons, like, there's got to be something
that's truly going on that is going on behind the scenes. Yeah, beyond
our ability to explain, we got to leave it to we they call a
citizens scientists ideas. Uh, you know, we're curious. I don't know
why the academic and the scientific establishment doesn't want to dig into this because the
totality of the evidence. And you know, when I first got into this,
it was just my own wits and reckoning based on what was available on
YouTube that led me to believe that they were in fact reality. So why,
you know, why where is the sense of adventure and imagination among the
science, you know, communities and the academic communities. I don't know where
it is. I was like, come on, guys, and I welcome.
I welcome any of those that considers themselves a member of the scientific or
the academic community. Were even the military community that my stuff bring them out
anything I've published audio wise, you know, bringing on, tell me,
tell me what this is. You know, so what it's recorded on MP
three, You're going to criticize that it's recorded. I mean it's here,
and I you know, I document my my ingress and my egress when I
drop off recorders. I don't. I seldom publish that stuff, but if
anybody wants to call me on it, I say, well, here,
here's here's the stuff. You know, here's here's my evidence, here's the
proof. Yeah. I want to get something better than Ron Moorehead. I
want to get like that next Ron Moorehead audio clip and the next Patty footage.
Yeah, wouldn't that be nice? YEA, Yeah, it's gonna take
it. You know. Pray you know what I prayed on this whole journey.
Uh, And I pray to be an instrument of His will. So
uh, and believe me if you if you look at the sheared volumes of
audio that I've captured over the past five years, I have to say those
those prayers have been answered. Uh so just dumn me off if you know,
off Chancellor it is supernatural and and uh of the unseen. Now you
know, it's not a not a bad idea to throw a little prayer out
there every once in a while. Yeah. I do the same things in
new realities. Yeah, you have to, you really do. Yeah,
you're taking a leap of faith going out there and just hoping for the best.
So you kind of have to be spiritual or pray to God that something
happens. And it's just like anything else really in life. Yeah. Well,
a juvenile. I remember having a conversation we got on the way up
there for that true a latter half of the twenty twenty two that when that
juvenile woke me up. I actually my ultimate goal, Miguel is to actually
have a vocal, actually a conversation with one of these beasts, with the
little one that woke me up. I mean it was a it was a
vocal exchange. It really wasn't a conversation. I yelled at it did.
Whatever it vocalized to me sounded demonic. And when I said, hey,
get I here, that was That was it. I like it a little
next time, I like it a little more to protect. And I had
that opportunity with the big giant early in May of twenty two. I just
didn't do it. I just chose it, you know. I think it
was something I didn't realize was there. And I just got back to one
of the best night's sleep I've ever had up there. Yeah, that actually
happened to me. One time. I went out to investigate an act of
property in the Mark Twain National Forest and the sasquatch came up right when it
got dark, and I was standing in front of a sasquatch probably fifteen or
twenty feet for about an hour. He was in the woodline and I was
in the yard. I couldn't see him, but they came up and they
did these loud wood knocks, and they were like dragging limbs through the woods,
snapping sticks. And I was sitting there, or I was standing there,
asking it questions, can you do a wood knock? Pow? Can
you push over a tree crack. I mean like the sound like when you
chainsaw a tree and you can hear it like crashing through the woods. It
did all that, but I mean, it wasn't talking to me. He
wouldn't say anything back, but he would like risk bond with like wood knocks
and tree breaks. It was, Yeah, it was really cool. And
I hear this and there's you know, I can't I can't poot poo that
whole mind speaking. I just can't. Two many incredible people have have have
had that experience. Yeah, yeah, I mean I've never heard a voice.
But like I said before with the spotlight story and the eyes went up,
I've also had experiences where I think in my head while I'm mount in
the woods, huh, I haven't heard a wood knock all day, and
then perfect wood knock. It's like, wow, what the heck? Well,
you know, if that's all real and manifest in reality, I mean
would say that this whole god thing you know is wrong. Too many people
believe it is wrong. You know. I believe they're connected. I really
do. Yeah, they may be interdimensional beings, and there's other dimensions,
other sides that we can't see beyond our three D realm. Yeah, no
doubt, no doubt about it. I wouldn't something in the Catholic Church,
and I'm not even Catholic. And it was it was a play of light.
It was just absolutely beautiful. But it was in the shape of a
human. I thought it was the priest at first, but it was human
shape and a hat. It moved and went away, and it moved in
the way it moved before, in another way, and then went away,
and then it came back again. It moved in all the ways and had
this energy to it, and it was just just an amazing experience that I'll
have to tell you about offline. It's not really like the subject matter,
but there are there is another realm. There's there's no doubt, and often
times it's unseen. Yeah, And if you want to share on here,
that's fine. There's a lot of people who believe in God that listen to
the channel, so it's up to you. Well, well, I'll just
give you the Cliff's version. Buddy, Mine's father died and I didn't know
about it until another body called, and so I went I went home.
I was running, and I went home and got dressed and went out in
another forty minutes away in Plymouth, Canton. It was, and to the
Catholic church and it's when the priest during my buddy's this funeral ceremony, the
priest was, you know, Christ is born. He was again whatever it
is exactly, I don't know a brain card here, but it was during
this thing that where this shadow appeared and then did appear. It was like
fifteen feet beyond the back wall of the church. It was about fifteen feet
maybe twenty, probably less than twenty from the prison. He was doing his
thing and his shadow is what I saw. But the shadow moved on the
back wall, moved to the left and to the right, which caught my
attention because it was really weird. There's no light in the incense container vessel,
but he's waving. There's no lot anywhere that that would cast that shadow.
And it went to the left and to the right. Was just weird.
And then it went away. It came back during this ceremony chance that
you know, it not only went left and right, it got larger and
smaller, and then it went away again. This is over. I don't
know how long it was. It was maybe and a half maybe two,
I don't know, the third time it came back, it went. It
had those movement It went left and right and larger and smaller, and it
had this energy about it, which was really it was kind of to me.
I was just curious at the time, like what am I witnessing?
I don't I'm trying to make sense of it, and I'm a photographic artist
and there's no light source, and I'm like, I'm scratching my head.
It was just a weird experience. And so if I it took me about
a week to figure this out. But if I were to recreate those movements,
I would have had a light source in front of the priest, and
that light source would have been going to and from to get the larger and
smaller. It would have been going side the side to get the you know,
side by side movement. I don't know what I could have done to
get that light and that shadow of the energy that it had or was you
know, this vibrance that it had, but those movements. In order to
recreate that those that light phenomenon, the shot on the back wall, the
shadow that that light source would have been going in the shape of the cross
right and I would have put that light source right where Chuck's father's casket was.
That that to me was when I figured that out, was like,
oh my god, that was so profound. I'm not even Catholic and my
faith had been sealed at that time. So it's really really an amazing thing
to see. Yeah. Absolutely, this weekend we're going to go camping down
south where the eclipse is supposed to have the longest duration at And I'm wondering
if there's some type of connection, maybe they'll be active when it happens,
and maybe it has some type of biblical significance, which I'm sure it does,
because when Christ died on the cross, there was any clips and I
think I do believe, yeah in the ground that there was an earthquake,
you know, the earthquake trembled, you know, rumbled. Yeah, amazing.
I wonder what's gonna happen. Well, good thing. I hear people
talking about CERN too. I don't know much about CERN, but I've heard
some interesting things about those who run the CERN program. It's uh think it's
too demonic. Yeah, there's a lot of paganism and satanic worship that going
on there now. I don't even know if the people know what they're doing.
They're just ignorant and they're falling along with these commercials. And I don't
know. The symbolism could be. I don't know. People are strange,
you know. That's why I kind of in twenty sixty I was about the
world and gone. Now I just went to the woods and believe it or
not, bigfoot quote unquote, this adventure has brought me more sanity than I
ever anticipated, despite the insane things that happened along the way. Yeah.
Absolutely, I feel the same way. Life was pretty chaotic, and once
I started doing this crazy Sasquatch thing, things make sense. I feel the
best I've ever felt, and I feel alive. I get out there and
see the world, talk to all kinds of like minded, good people,
and I feel much more grounded than when I didn't believe or know about Sasquatch.
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a yeah. I feel the same
way, and I'm grateful for this journey despite the you know, the pitfalls,
you know, strange strange relationships and strange relationships, but you do keep
on praying on it. So far my prayers have been to answer. I've
got happiness, It's all everyone, and I'm not a wealthy man by any
stretch. And my wife doesn't mind, thank god. Yeah, that's good.
And I hope that you capture that next Ron moorehead audio. Well,
I hope you do. I mean, I think, you know, there
needs to be a movement. You know when I mentioned Nathan Rio and he
had the or go his Yet this movement is like go and see your project,
go and see. Yeah, so you could. You could do a
hashtag project go and see, and you'll come up with a lot of you
know, stuff that he may have very well had a hand in. So
you know, why not project go and listen? I mean, we we
have. This is like a crypto anthropologic or a crypto linguist anthropo logic,
you know, approach to learning about a culture of an ancient people or even
a spirit beings don't know. But I think that the more people realize that
this is a real phenomenon, I think, you know, we have a
and the narratives of the Old Testament or actually I think you know, some
people might say, well, maybe we should, you know, reconsider our
perspective on life and our view of the world, because there's a lot out
there. It's so profound and so significant and so applies to our existence here
on earth that you know, I think people need to have a little you
know, heart and open mind consider these things. And if you know,
I, well that's true, and we should listen to the Bible, you
know, yeah, absolutely end commandments. Yeah, no doubt. And when
is the next time you're going to go out to the forest, go camping
or exploring. Well, usually it's the first weekend in May, first or
second, depends on you know, a lot of things. And I hope
it's going to be the same this year. However, I have an interview
Wednesday with an old boss that wants to bring it back into into her present
operations, So I think that would go well. I might have to live
the trip up because I got to get to the woods. You know,
it's been so warm here in Michigan. I really got the itch to get
out and do some do some camping. I got a brand new tarp.
I want to test out new new tart polls that will enhance my comfort there.
And there's always more vocal audio gems to be to be mined from the
woods, if not from just outside my campsite. You know, you never
know what's going to happen, and I'm going back with the lytic repigation.
Last year I was encounter free, which I kind of needed after that experience
with the juvenile waking me up. But right now I'm I'm thinking I'm ready
for a little more insane action, as long as I can come out of
it alive and not too not to uh you know, gut wrench from the
experience. Yeah, for a little more so. So typically gotta go out
twice a year sometimes, you know, soon if I can the weekend things,
if I can get away with it, But it's not often. I'm
busy. I'm a merry guy, and I'm busy in the with my church
and the softball team, and I sail in the summer with my father and
and uh, you know, it's it's I got a good life, simple
life, but the blessed life, no doubt about it. Yeah, no,
I understand that somewhat limit my my the insanity, you know, Yeah,
no doubt. Do you have anything else you'd like to share or do
we want to wrap things up? Uh? None this time. I'm so
grateful for your time, and it's it's uh, I don't know how long
long we've been on the phone. The phone's in the other room. But
about it's been fun, Miguel. Oh wow, well thank you, Yeah,
it was absolutely good time off to you. Yeah. Well, it's
nice to know someone out there is thinking along the lines, especially you know
the connections to the Bible, and you know your your Jesus following as am
I. It's not a bad way to go, not a bad way of
life. But you know these mysteries of this unseen realm and I really quite
real. Yeah, no doubt, an amazing, profound epiphany. So yeah,
I think we're both blessed to have these experiences that we've had. Yeah,
okay, Well, I appreciate everything you've done today and for sharing your
encounters and experiences, your fines and just your theories in general. It really
meant a lot to me. My pleasure. Peace be with you and your
audience. And if anybody cares to buy a T shirt, I would be
most grateful. He's the finance burden of these interesting times, lively, So
if somebody has the ability, I would appreciate the gestion. Yeah, absolutely,
And that's the Michigan Aboriginal Project. Check them out on YouTube. Yeah,
on YouTube, And you got a website. Yeah, Michigan. The
website simply Michigan Aboriginal dot com. There's an about page that essentially encapsulates my
current you know, of this subject and way I think intellectually on anybody,
the concept that there are an ancient people living on you know, living amongst
us literally, you know. Yeah, yeah, Okay, Well, James
a brother, thank you, and we'll follow up. I'll send you some
clips and we'll carry on to the next chapter. Yep, that sounds good.
Be sure to keep in touch, hit me up on Facebook, send
me that audio, and I'll tie it into the show. We'll do,
sir. Thank you, Miguel. All right, you'd be safe out there,
and God bless my friend. Likewise, all right, God bless you.
Take care. Wow, James, thank you once again for being a
guest on the show. And I really appreciate you taking the time to share
all your experiences, your research, your encounters with all of us, and
it truly does mean a lot to me. James is a really kind person
and he was very patient with me. It took me a while to get
this podcast out, so I really appreciate you, James for not getting upset
with me. Sometimes I get overloaded with work and life gets in the way,
So I apologize. Guys. There's a lot of podcasts that I need
to get out, and I have a huge list of podcasts that are just
sitting there waiting to be edited. I've heard a lot of encounter stories and
from a lot of people personally that Sasquatch likes to mess with people's tents at
night and they wait until you are asleep until they approach you, and that's
pretty common with bigfoot activity. I don't know what their fascination is. Actually,
my girlfriend was telling me a story. One of her friends was camping
in Pisga and late at night, something tried unzipping the tent, and whenever
I went to Pisga, like I seen a lot of orbs and I don't
think it was a natural phenomenon. I know scientists are researching the activity and
they claim it's swamp gas, but I feel like the orbs are connected with
the cryptids and it's a strange thing to wrap your mind around, but it
truly is happening, and for some reason, it's connected with the Sasquatch.
I hope everyone listening enjoyed this podcast, and hopefully you guys come back for
more. I really appreciate the support and if you have a bigfoot encounter that
you would like to share with me, please contact me at Sasquatch Theory at
outlook dot com. Thank you everyone for tuning in and listening today. God
bless everyone and be safe out there in the woods.