Orion Kerkering joins! Talks new pitch, mindset and more

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Speaker 1: This are Arian Kirkery lug them with The Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Kirkering joins the show today, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todds, the Lucky.

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Speaker 1: It is The Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful day in clear Oata and we have a lot of We had a lot of fun today talking with Ryan Kirkering.

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Speaker 3: No doubt we were geeking out a little bit on some of his uh pitch grips. He's spent the winter and spring training here learning a new pitch which he'll.

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Speaker 4: He'll tell us about.

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Speaker 3: And uh, you know, he also talked about the difficult way last season ended, and uh, I think this is a really mature guy who's going to bounce back nicely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's a guy that a lot I mean not a lot of people. Everybody in camp is really rooting hard for, always has been rooting hard for and I think you will see why. So here we go our chat with Oryan Kirkering. Ryan, thanks for coming on the show. We appreciate it. We're here Clearwater Wednesday, and you just watched Zach Wheeler throw a bullpen and it's kind of fun. You've seen a lot of you guys down there watching our bullpen a live VP. Yeah, what do you think Zach as he comes back?

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Speaker 5: Zach just being Zach. I think just seeing his stuff come back. You can see the excitement out there. Like I said last time I was talking together. So I think it's just always cool to see and just a great calibard pitcher as much as he is, especially in the last few years, or what he's done for this game.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just awesome to get every little ounce it can.

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Speaker 3: I always find it interesting how these guys when when somebody like Zach Wheeler or anybody really throws a bullpen, everybody comes out and watches, and I think, there's you're supporting your teammate, but isn't the fan in you coming out as well?

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Speaker 1: For sure?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just seeing just what he like I said, what he brings to the table every single day he brings on the mount, especially the many times he pitches, I mean through the regular season, postseason, it's always great to see what he does.

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Speaker 3: How about anything you've learned from a guy like that having him as a teammate.

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Speaker 5: I think just his composure every time he goes out there like it's nothing new. Just want to win a ball game every single time. It doesn't matter if it's like I said, regular season, early April, middle dog days of August where it can be hot some places, cold some places, or it's October red October.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's always cool to see that.

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Speaker 2: And you've had an interesting spring. Of course you're kind of coming back from this hamstring strain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, but I.

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Speaker 2: Mean you threw your pitching a game at the Carpenter Complex on Tuesday, So can you tell everybody how you're doing and how you think you're progressing, and do you have a chance do you think to be on the opening day roster.

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Speaker 5: I think it's still up in the air right now for opening Day. And I think obviously, as you guys know, it's just as a relievery never know when you're gonna throw, whether it's back to back, three or four pitch day, off pitch, off pitch, you just.

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Speaker 1: Never know how the game's going to go.

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Speaker 5: So I think WORKLD wise, I think trying to figure out here soon next week or so before it break and then.

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Speaker 1: But it felt really good out there and.

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Speaker 5: Felt really good composure wise, stuff wise, just ready for we've got going on.

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Speaker 3: Next and new season brings a new pitch, absolutely, Yeah, and I.

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Speaker 2: Brought a baseball, so and then that's the camera so if you can show so you're throwing a splitter.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So it's kind of a mix of everything. So it's kind of I have a hard time pronating sometimes, but some guys, I'm a good superner.

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Speaker 1: That's why I think I thoroughly go to the sweeper all the time.

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Speaker 5: Just I'm so used to the supernation of it, so I can never like pronate and be able to have the how Sanchy and like other guys in the league have such great change ups because they have the great supernation of it.

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Speaker 1: So for me, what we've done is try to kick it a little bit.

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Speaker 5: So try to like spike the index of it and try to put my inside middle finger on this scene like the horseshoot here. That way it kicks down and it has the split action with it, so I can just throw it like a fastball and just keep the same velo or at least try to keep saying arm action through behind it.

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Speaker 3: Is that the kick change we hear so much about it, Yeah, exactly this finger, so it just gives leeway for it.

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Speaker 5: So like how it's released. With some guys, it just comes out this way. So the last thing that touches is the middle finger. Maybe some pitches ring finger, depending on each guy. But how it comes out, it will kick over this way. And that's why I have like the dirty access or the dirty spin to where it spins and the air resistance behind it will go armside.

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Speaker 3: Amazing the technology that's going into pitch shaping and then crazy, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Just here here, here, call it a day. Now, let's let's do this, Let's do that.

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Speaker 5: Let's try to help you that we can throw those pitches that way if you're not Like back in the day, it was just oh, you're just not that guys, you're not gonna throw it.

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Speaker 1: Now it's all right.

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Speaker 5: We can kind of not force you to throw it, but we can help you with how you throw as a just a different pitcher.

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Speaker 4: You are so so okay.

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Speaker 2: So the season ends and you're reflecting on your season and you're reflecting, you're you're looking ahead at twenty twenty six and you're going, all right, how can I get better? Who first approaches you or who, like who had the idea of the splitter? Like I think that's kind of interesting how this whole thing develops. Is it like a text from Caleb mark Lower, the assistant pitching coach, like a couple weeks after the season, is it you going to them?

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Speaker 1: What's how does that?

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Speaker 2: What's the What was the beginning of that process?

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Speaker 5: I think it was just at first, kind of joking around. I think probably even like twenty four, just joking around of like let me throw a cutter, let me throw a curveball, just to mess with them and just like almost like poke a bear at them.

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Speaker 1: But then like last year, kind of talking with it more, going.

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Speaker 5: Through like the slumps and the ups and downs and kind of seeing like what guys are looking at since last year they had a full year of video on me.

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Speaker 1: So now it's okay, now it's going to two.

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Speaker 5: Full years of video on me, more experience. I know what pitch obviously, sweeper is to go to. So now it's like what can help lay off the sweeper? Can just throw that? More So we kind of collectively decided like, hey, let's try to lean on the splitter and see where it goes versus a power cutter. Maybe that which wouldn't make too much sense because it's just more left or right right. So we're trying to find something that evens out a little bit, and we thought split was probably the best decision for it because it helps with the two seam and it helps like differentirate the two and then keep off the sweeper.

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Speaker 3: So basically you got one the sweeper going that way, yeah, and the two are going that way yep.

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Speaker 4: And when this becomes in your arsenal, it'll go.

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Speaker 5: Down more straight down yeah, and then the four will just keep riding up top rail.

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Speaker 4: And get the ball moving all those directions.

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Speaker 2: Would want to be a hitter, I mean, yeah, Yeah, That's why I love those videos where they shows like the balls and spread apart.

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Speaker 4: That's what you're trying to, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Just move it like throw it over like I'm trying to throw it fastball down the middle and sweeper off of it. Two seam middle in and then sweeper or splitter down and into a writing right.

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Speaker 2: And so that those conversations started after the season. I know you said you were kind of joking, Okay, So that starts after the season, and then and then you have to find a grip that will work for you. When I talked to you a couple of weeks ago, you said, uh, he said, basically, I went on YouTube and I found Yeah, Logan Gilbert's like, Logan Gilbert's got maybe one of the best splitters in all Major League Baseball. Yeah, he has a video on YouTube. Does someone say, like go watch this or have you done this enough where you're like, let me look up Logan Gilbert splitter and see if there's a video out.

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Speaker 1: There of it a little bit both.

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Speaker 5: So Lowie sent me a couple pitch grips. Kleb sent me a couple of pitch grips to kind of try and see, and then I was like, hell you guys just said, like with pitching Ninja, I'm just going there and see who's got it. Pitching Ninja splitters. He was the first video, so just kind of looking through again, just picking his brain through like the video of it. So okay, I think what's cool is like, as much as a fan of what you can see and like at the insights of big league guys, it's still like it helps us because that's when we go on daily day basis of like picking each other's brains and like try to open that world of it.

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Speaker 2: So what about that? So is that basically your grip for the split? Is that basically how he throws his I wish no okay, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's different.

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Speaker 5: His is more like almost across the seam, so it's like he's almost going like fully complete just because he's that good and got big enough fingers. So for me, because I'm more sweeper, I don't think I can really hold that consistently and like be comfortable with that grip. So I think for me, it was just trying to find what was comfortable enough to like I can get my tempo and not get out of my tempo and.

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Speaker 1: Just be ready underneath.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's not like right here underneath comes like a four scene and you're just tucking it and just letting it ride out of the hands and just hopefully get that dirty spin top spin and drop down to its amazing.

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Speaker 3: All these pictures will show their grips on videos and you feel like they're giving away secrets. But I guess you guys all learn from.

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Speaker 1: Each other exactly.

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Speaker 5: I mean sometimes I know some guys will do a different pitch gript to mess with people and see what they say. Like, as I've heard different stories, it's like, oh, this is how I hold.

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Speaker 1: My my curveball like this.

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Speaker 5: But then I've seen guys where it's like, no, this is actually how I hold it, and then they throw it this way, and so it's like it's funny. You just never know what type of guy you see with it, so it's just different. You never know who you're gonna get. So sometimes it's like it's a jokester, sometimes not, or sometimes.

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Speaker 1: It is just how they throw it.

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Speaker 5: And then it's just because I think everyone knows, like Gilbert, he's got the gross splitter. So it's like, even though it's coming you can see out of the hand, it's like it's still hard to hit base a split finger fastball right right.

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Speaker 2: And so then do you start, like you start playing catch with it, you know in the off season, just yeah, just and then do you get you get immediate feedback, I suppose right.

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Speaker 5: For sure, Yeah, for sure, and catchway partners see where it goes. Some days are better, some days are different. What kind of tweak because we know how it is. There's some days that the slider's going really good and there's other days that the slider's just going terrible. So you just don't want like, oh, today's just not a good day that splitter. Let me change every single thing. You're just kind of like let me take baby steps of like is this consistent? Is this getting better or just getting worse, and try to tweak it from there.

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Speaker 3: At what point in your catchplay do you say to yourself, I think I got it.

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Speaker 5: It can happen quick for some guys, I think so yeah, So like that's how it was, like me and my sweeper, like in high school learning it. But I think now, like I think the sinker, I started to throw it in twenty three coming up, and then it took me almost like all twenty four to really get fine tuned in a little bit, and then twenty five felt like I was able to dot it up pretty good mostly get a lot of ground balls, get a lot of backdoors to varieties for a hip, a couple lefties. But I think just overall, it takes sometimes the guy sometimes just that specific pitch to actually feel comfortable and be able to throw wherever and whenever.

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Speaker 3: A slider, sweeper, they're like cousins basically.

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Speaker 1: I think they're the same thing, though.

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Speaker 4: You yeah, because say change.

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Speaker 5: Because now I'm just kind of like I always called it a slider. Now with the new game of like, oh no, that was a slider. This is a sweeper.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like it's all that goes right to left. That's all.

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Speaker 4: What's the grip and the armstroke like on a sweeper.

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Speaker 5: So like for me, I know, some guys are like more high on the horseshoe like up here, but mine's more like almost like a traditional curveball. And then how I supinated. It's like I think of like a sideways like curveball. So how it comes out, It comes out like this, that pops out, and like watching video, it'll gyro spin, but then it'll catch about maybe like fifty feet like right before home plate, and then I'll get dirty spin. So that's why it takes off so much, like so late. So that's why I like talking with hitters. It's like, no, that was a late sweeper, like that was a late slider, because some guys will have like more of a gyro spin and then it'll tilt a little bit last second and that's how it gets more the airs distance and it'll cut across.

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Speaker 3: Now with the with the kick splitter, Uh huh, are you looking for differential off your fastball?

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Speaker 4: Are you more looking for movement.

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Speaker 5: Movement movement profile? Just because it'll help if it's the same velo. I think the other day, I think it was like eighty six eighty eight, so about the same speed as sweeper, same general profile at least closer than the two seam and stuff like that. So I think seeing a slower speed for lefty going away from you and then versus a sweeper coming at you, So I think it opens door a little bit between a back foot sweeper or down the way split and just seeing the difference of like, oh I can cheat to that, it's like, oh no, that's going away from it, okay.

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Speaker 2: And then one other cool thing I think about learning a new pitch, which you had mentioned a couple of weeks ago, which I guess I didn't really consider, is that not only do you have to find the grip get comfortable with it, but then you also have to figure out how you grip the ball or when you grip it with your gloves so you're not like flaring your glove out when your splitter.

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Speaker 1: So like, what's that is that?

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Speaker 2: Is that a difficult process too to figure out how you do it? Because these guys are so good at picking tipping pitches. His zeus got crushed two starts last summer exactly tipping, So what's how do you kind of figure out how to grip it when to grip it so it looks like you're all your other three pitches.

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Speaker 5: Uh catch play a lot just during bullpens, try to figure out what's comfortable what's not, Like I think I think Gilbert does it, but I know like a lot of other guys do it. They'll like pre grip splitter. So it's like me talking with Lowie, talking with Klo. I'm talking with Caesar about like what they think which which I do, And they're like, just do whatever you think is comfortable, Like whatever you think you can do consistent and comfortable and not like it's caesarer said than done than tip.

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Speaker 1: But just are natural as humans, we pattern a lot. So I think it's just.

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Speaker 5: Not getting that routine of the pattern of it and just seeing what I can do consistently without tipping.

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Speaker 3: Was this all good for you this winter, having a project, having something to focus on after the tough way things ended last year?

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Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah? I think just it's a working progress every single day.

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Speaker 5: So I think having something to do, having something to learn a little bit more, finding something cool to do.

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Speaker 1: I think That's what helped a lot for sure.

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Speaker 4: What was the key to kind of and bouncing back from that.

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Speaker 5: I think just talking about it, I think more than anything, versus kind of I would say running away from it, but just like telling people how you feel about it. It was like, yeah, it sucks, but you got to just keep moving on because it's not baseball. It is it's you mess up in the first out, there's still twenty six, twenty seven ounce left of the game, so it's just you keep moving.

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Speaker 1: That's how it is.

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Speaker 3: You're amazingly accountable, amazingly mature, in my opinion. Where does that come from.

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Speaker 5: I think just seeing the older guys and the veteran guys on the team and just being accountable and obviously just being a fan of sports, you kind of see where it's like, oh, that guy didn't look good, like not talking to the media whether he wanted to or not, or whether he liked it or not, or what happens, and let the emotions get to it. But I think just even though it's it was a shitty moment kind of thing, it was just as long as you're accountable and you just kind of talk about it and just let it be and just say, hey, fucked up and that's what happens. And I think also just seeing how like bombed it too, I guess specifically where it's like I want to say, it's a similar situation but kind of in the same way where it's like, you know, you messed up, but if you just stay accountable, especially in Philly, and I think that's all they cared about.

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Speaker 3: I think the fans appreciated. I think you're gonna get a standing ovation on opening again.

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Speaker 1: And really do I do? I do?

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Speaker 4: I think, uh, people and you're human, the people in the seats are human and you have that connection.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 5: I think it just shows the little vulnerability and shows like, hey messed up, like I said, and just I'm here to keep moving on forward.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you had like Bradley's reach out to you. If any of those guys be talking to those guys since their first conversations or.

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Speaker 1: You know, you did have a lot of people reach out to you, for sure. That was pretty cool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not a whole lot recently, just kind of letting season go, but I'm sure here soon reach out a little bit and see how everything's going with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I think a lot of people are excited about this bullpen. Oh you start this, you start the season this year with Doran, you sign Brad Keller, you got Alvarado back, and you're in there bowling banks. I mean, Kyle Bachis has looked really good. I don't know who else is gonna be in the bullpen, But what has you kind of excited about this group?

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Speaker 5: I think it's just a good group of guys overall, on and off the field. I think just it's a fun bullpen, especially with Ali being back. I think just having the laughter in there. Duran's out there with the laughter of it, Tanner always just talking his ears off with everything and how he is, and then just kind of I think everyone just being the kid out there almost. I think that's what makes it fun and just kind of putting each other's like foot out there for each other and just kind of be on each other's back and just always be there.

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Speaker 3: How much did the feel of the bullpen changed last year when you when you got Duran.

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Speaker 5: I think it changed a lot in the good ways, just because I think we're able to settle in a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: I would say no one was panicking.

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Speaker 5: Over like what we were doing or what roles were just because roles were kind of I wanna say, up in the air, but it was we had a closer by committees, so we weren't sure what was going to go on.

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Speaker 1: So now I think it's sentenced.

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Speaker 5: Owe obviously Durant's got the ninth unless obviously postseason is always different, so you never know. But I think overall, it's just you know that there's a group of guys that if the starter gets hurt on the first pitch of the game, and all we gotta do is go through one through eight and just keep it close and then let Durant get the ninth, or if whatever baseball happens and we go to the extras for whatever reason, we got each other's back to keep.

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Speaker 2: So it's funny you mentioned we know Alvarado is just loud and gregarious and laughs lot. He's very funny here. He was joking around the other day in the clubhouse. I had to walk out because I was laughing so hard. Banks very chatty, great guy. But you said Doron is actually pretty funny. Yeah, we have not probably seen too much of that. He was joking the other day about his secret pitch he's throwing a split change. Yeah, he was kind of laughing about it. I don't want to tell you what it is. Kind of acknowledge it, but he's describe his personality because that was kind of I had not really seen him joking around so far, but he does do.

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Speaker 1: That a little bit. Yeah, he's quiet about it, but he's always good. He's always got a quick laughter here and there.

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Speaker 5: It's never I wouldn't say, like I said, it's never gonna be like Alvia, but it's always just a quick, subtle like.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was good. That was a good joke. And like we always trying to joke around as much as we can.

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Speaker 5: I think the more we joke around with each other, I think the more comfortable we get, and the more comfortable and putting each other behind each other and thing helps and try to build the comb already between each other and push each other, have that tough love moments, and when you have that tough love moment or have the nurturing moment, when you have the nurturing moment, the learning on and off the fields of you know, me and Tanner always talk all the time about mechanics of what he can do better, what I can do better and just kind of think each other's brain. So I think it just builds that back and forth, like the brotherhood behind it.

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Speaker 4: What did you did you?

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Speaker 3: What did you think the first time he saw the light show Duran's light show? Did you could you actually see it or were you talk too far away in the bullpen?

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Speaker 1: No, we could see it. We can see it. Pretty cool. It was awesome.

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Speaker 5: Saw some pregame of it when they were trying to test it out and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So we're able to see like the spider walking right field.

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Speaker 5: So obviously we couldn't see that unless we poked our heads all the way out there. But it was cool to see with all the fans interacting and then seeing the big scoreboard and left field and just how everyone just interacted him going out there.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: I guess in that moment you kind of become a fan a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I would think, right, hundred.

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Speaker 5: Percent, yeah, because you just know, like in joking, when it's like eighth inning happens and we got like a three run lead, especially, it's like you almost want to take your cleats off at that point, right, It's just like this game's done over with Durant's gonna come in and close the door and nine pitches, three strikeouts.

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Speaker 4: That's well.

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Speaker 2: I also know fans. I mean seriously, though, fans, if the Phillies are up three runs are less going into the ninth inning or in the eighth inning, they legitimately don't want you guys to score another run if they stayed that late in the game because they get they're like, oh no, now he might not come in and patch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: So it almost gets us, Like I say that in my head, it's like, are you gonna get boo dive if we go out there if it's like a five run and it's like, hey, you've been thrown a couple of days, Like go through out there. I'm like, I'm gonna get bude because I'm not Duran coming out the light show.

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Speaker 1: But no, it's always cool.

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Speaker 3: We talk about fans, who was your favorite player as a kid when you were young.

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Speaker 5: Fans, Oh, there's a lot it was raised fan growing up as kids. So I always grew up like ben Zobris Eva Longoria. That's why it's fun to see, like when Ceas is here and go through his glory days of stuff. And like through the first couple of years, there'd be a few days where we're just bullshit with each other and be.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, remember this guy.

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Speaker 5: Remember that guy, and like see how his personality was through the team and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So it was always cool to.

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Speaker 3: See you remember, do you remember the World Series against Tampa Bay?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, that was cool. I liked it.

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Speaker 5: Went to the trying to think it was game one or Game two when they in Tampa. Yeah, So it was pretty cool to see that way and just kind of full circle of things.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. How many games and years you go to over there as a.

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Speaker 5: Kid, like five, So it wasn't like season ticket or anything, but it's like if it was cool enough to go, oh, they're playing Yankees, let's go watch the Yankees, because that's when they had a ra Jeter Besida canoe and they were like when it was.

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Speaker 1: Boston, it was like big Poppy Pad trying to thing.

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Speaker 5: Gosh, Johnny Damon think Coco Cris towards the end of his career and stuff like that. So it's kind of cool to see like those guys and like grew up watching and.

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Speaker 1: You've pitched there. I haven't pitched there yet.

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Speaker 4: You haven't pitched there yet?

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Speaker 5: No next year, next year, So I got a little ways to check off that bucket list.

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Speaker 2: Did you pitch over at Steinburner Field last Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that does not count.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't count.

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Speaker 4: That does not count.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just hoping we get back here. Hopefully it doesn't mess up with.

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Speaker 5: The lockout next year and stuff like that, and that would just mess up our schedule of whatever. The hundred and sixty two well play everyone, So hopefully just be able to play a drop.

00:23:22
Speaker 1: At some point and be cool and check off that bucket list.

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Speaker 4: It's actually I think it's a great place to watch a game.

00:23:27
Speaker 3: It's not the most attractive stadium from outside, but the sight lines are very good and the press box is excellent, great vantage point.

00:23:36
Speaker 2: I don't play, that's right, that's right. Well, Ryan Man, thanks a lot for joining us.

00:23:41
Speaker 1: It was fun.

00:23:42
Speaker 2: Thanks for showing us how you're gonna throw your splitty and yeah, and.

00:23:45
Speaker 4: Showing people one more time the diving.

00:23:49
Speaker 2: Can you describe what seems shifted wake is? I remember talking to that's that's the word throwing around a lot. Yeah, And I only asked that because I asked I had Mark Lloyd try to explain it to me one in San Francisco. I could, and he went through this great explanation and then if somebody put a gun in my head said what is it?

00:24:07
Speaker 1: I don't think I could do it.

00:24:09
Speaker 5: So I mean it's think it's similar to like the kickness, like the kick change of it, like seams shifted, so how that rotates out of the ball, okay, And so like we'll have diagrams too, where it'll be like it looks like a baseball like this, and then it's how you like you put pressure on it or like how much pressure the ball comes out because you want it like as center mass as you can. That way, it's like true spin, true efficiency, like true Rye kind of like zaxball, just because he has great extension, yeah, great force behind it. Obviously throws hard, so like his center mass is like pretty dialed in. Now some guys like me just because my finger's a little wider, like I'm not inconsistent because instead of throwing it like here with it, I may be throwing like that with it on the like just the slightest movement of like me whatever coming up and then like hand shifts a little bit I clipped my glove a little bit, so the ball moves just even by one scene, it changes the whole ball. So I think it's just crazy how that one little instance of it or like the.

00:25:12
Speaker 1: I don't know. For me, I'm like a texture guy.

00:25:14
Speaker 5: So like if the ball was like too slick, I don't like it at used to like the leather of it, because then my my thumb can't push off on the scenes well, or I can't like flick the baseball well, and it has this weird like seems shifted and it moves differently, or like doesn't have the same movement profile or like the same good feel behind the baseball.

00:25:33
Speaker 3: In your mind when you seek all this movement and you guys are like scientists, but are you? Is your goal a swinging miss or weak contact?

00:25:41
Speaker 5: Depends on the situation. Okay, there's some situations where like Kyk when I walked him in the last game, I was like second and third. Obviously it's key K during the postseason, but it's like I got free base pious on deck.

00:25:58
Speaker 1: He wasn't doing well all the time.

00:25:59
Speaker 5: But think just in those situations, like, okay, guy, free base, I'm gonna try guess we can miss here and see what happens.

00:26:05
Speaker 1: And then there's those situations where it's like.

00:26:09
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think like Colorado, it's very hard to get strike out there, just because the irresistance on the ball, the spin access on the ball.

00:26:16
Speaker 1: And stuff like that. It's hard to get good depthy pitches there.

00:26:19
Speaker 5: It's like there, I'm just going in trying to get weak contact ground balls and just let them get out of themselves.

00:26:26
Speaker 4: That's that's great stuff, man.

00:26:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan, thanks again. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. That's awesome.

00:26:32
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