Robert Murray’s early trade talk rumblings + Pujols reveals Marlins pursuit, Trout’s no-trade

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Speaker 1: That intro makes me excited because Robert Murray is going to start appearing more on FT again as we get closer to trade season, and we already had one several days ago that had a lot of attention on this show. Robert Murray back with US fan sided insider, FT Insider Robert, Good to see you.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Braves. I mean, they're I.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to say surprising everyone because they've got a lot of good players, but I think some of the additions they made in the offseason have definitely helped that cause and been underrated. So thoughts on what they've done and crafted, but then also if you can mix into your answer what you think they will do to try and even you top that at the trade deadline or close to it.

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Speaker 3: No, for sure, I appreciate you boys have me as always, But the Atlanta Braves, like you talk about them, you always think about Matt Olson, Austin Riley, Asie Albi's Michael Harris the second like guys like that. But they've really had some different players who they ended up adding in the offseason, kind of some under the radar guys Mauricio Dubon and then also Dom Smith Dubon was acquired from the Houston Astros. They got him and they tried actually getting him at last year's trade deadline, but they valued him. They thought he was a perfect fit for their clubhouse, but also a guy that like his versatility infield outfield, he can play a bunch of different positions. He's been wonderful for them this season. He looks like a real guy that they can build around. And he's only signed for about five or six million, so that's relatively cheap. But then Dom Smith too, he is a guy who is He got a bunch of minor league interests this offseason, but the Braves really saw an opportunity for him in his left handed bat to really make an impact into that lineup. And we've seen him at some pretty clutch homers. He had a walk off Grand Slam to start the season. And they seem like a team that absolutely can make some noise here in the National League. They look totally totally legitimate. But if I was Alexanthopolis, I would go out and I would a starting pitcher at the deadline, And it seems like it's gonna be a pretty common theme for a bunch of these different contending teams, and I think the Braves really stand out as a team that could use some pitching reinforcements. They've had some guys really step up in the wake of some absences here. Bryce Elder is one who really stood out. So they seem like a team that and compete with the Dodgers. They seem like a team that seems legit. And if they added the deadline, that's just going to further bolster their case to possibly represent the National League in the World Series.

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Speaker 4: Robert the bullpen is for me, is the thing that's been great for the Braves.

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Speaker 3: Just a starting pitcher.

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Speaker 4: But Iglesias hasn't given up a roam. Suarez has been nasty bummer Lee. This bullpen has been disgusting. So not only do you have to get through Chris Slee and Elder and the rest of Lopez and the rest of these guys, then if they have a lead, the game is over.

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Speaker 3: No, totally. And that's exactly what they ended up having in mind with Robert Suarez when they got him in the off season. It wasn't like the most glaring need that they ended up having. Like I remember when it came down to to the end, for Robert Soarez, there was a bunch of different teams. You heard about the Mets, you heard about the Blue Jays being involved in. I thought he may end up going to one of those two teams, but the Braves swooped in and ended up getting him. They gave him a three year contract and they look extremely smart for doing so. And when you can have those talented players on offense, and then also let's say you hand the ball to Chris Sale or one of those guys, and then, as you said, you turn to the bullpen where you got Suarez, Bummer, Iglesias, all those guys. It's the recipe for a really strong, sustainable team. And that's why I'm buying stock in the Braves and why I really believe in him at the moment you talk about the trade deadline.

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Speaker 5: Alix Anthopolis's m when he was with the JS, he made some massive moves. He you know, he got the whole, He got Josh Donaldson, he went out and got you know, made made moves that were like okay. But he's since come out and been like okay, I really understand as some of the early moves I made as a GM didn't really help our clubhouse. Now since he's been with the Braves, has he made a big trade deadline acquisition, because you're gonna be on here talking, oh man, the Brave should get Freddy Peralta. You know this team's out. If if this team loses in the next three days, so and so might be available. Has he really been a GM at the trade deadline that's made massive moves or everybody just remembers two thousand and one moves where he kind of just supplemented their outfield with Duval and I'm forgetting who else the left, Eddie Roario, Jeck Peterson, like more like more small moves that worked out. Is he a GM that could make a massive trade deadline move?

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Speaker 3: I see no reason why he shouldn't consider it like he's he's done big trades in the past, Like it hasn't necessarily been at the deadline. Chris Sale was a big offseason move. So I don't think he's necessarily like a verse or like or against doing something like that. But you're right, he has found value on the margins where Jack Peterson, Solaire, Eddie Rosario, those guys when they ended up making it to the World Series, really ended up like stepping up and help contribute to that team. So I could see him doing something quite like that. But there's also going to be a bunch of different guys who are to be available or possibly available at the deadline. You mentioned Freddy Peralta. Have a hard time seeing the Mets trade him to a division team. I have a hard time even seeing the Mets selling at this point. You could see the Giants possibly move one of their guys Robbie Ray. Joe Ryan is someone who's probably gonna be asked about plenty of the deadline, and thankfully his injury is not overly serious, so there's a bunch of different ways that he can go about addressing this team. But I really don't If I was Anthopless, I would possibly think about swinging big because this seems like a team that can really makes some noise here in that now.

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00:06:09
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00:06:52
Speaker 4: I know you're a Cup fan, so I understand. God, you're all high on the Cubs and you're all high and mighty and they need rotation help and you think that they can be the greatest team ever. But this weekend is the Crosstown Series. White Sox versus the Cubs. Okay, is this the most exciting Cubs White Sox series in forever that I can remember? Because both teams are actually trying? And what do the White Sox need to do to continue this run? Will they add? Possibly? And then what do the Cubs need to do to continue because they've been hot other than when the Braves of what their ass last two days?

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Speaker 2: Wait?

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Speaker 3: First of all, last time I was on the show, you excuse me of being a Pirates fan, So I guess I want to bits of the NL Central down I grew up in.

00:07:36
Speaker 4: When you live in you live in Milwaukee, so you got you know, you're like crats, you have like five teams before.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, hey, you know, I mean you're always happy. I mean, I guess you're always sad at the same time, but glass half fall, you're always happy, I suppose. But anyways, going back to the Cubs and White Sox here, I like the Cubs they were like in previous years. I've been skeptical or skeptical about their chances in the NL Central. I've always thought the Brewers were the team to beat, and they still seem like a pretty formidable opponent. For sure. But the Cubs this year just really look like a team that's also capable of making some noise there. And you look at that team, I thought Lucas Giulito was a perfect fit for them, but they wanted to stick with their internal options, like considering all their different injuries in the pitching side. They would let it play out some more. They're going to continue to let this thing play out. But at the deadline, if you can swing big, if you're the Chicago Cubs, I absolutely would do so. And Freddie Peralta is a guy who has a ton of familiarity with Craig Console. Again, I'm skeptical about the Mets even selling and I have a hard time seeing the move Peralta, but just throwing his name out there. But if you can go out there and get a big name starting pitcher, I think that would really help their case and further separate them from the Brewers. As far as the White Sox go, they are a team that I don't think they're ready for contending quite yet, but they're super like. They're exciting, they're fun to watch play baseball, and we haven't been able to say that in recent years, and I think Chris Gets deserves a ton of credit for what he's built there, and getting Mirakami on a two year, for thirty four million dollar contract looks like a stroke a genius. Like there was talk obviously last obvious season about him possibly getting two hundred million, and the fact they got in for that little is a really strong investment by them. And they got some of these young players as well. If you can continue to build around those guys, and maybe if you can add somebody at the deadline who's controllable, I think that'd be a really smart move for them. But staying the course, staying with this vision and building this thing, because as I said, it's not probably not this year, it might not even be next year, but they are definitely a team that's on the rise. And I do think it's one of the more exciting recent series between these two teams in quite some time because they're both on the up and up, and I think that's a really good thing for baseball.

00:09:48
Speaker 5: Are the pieces fitting in line for the Cardinals to extend somebody like Jordan Walker? This is one year off of everything that you know, they finally are getting rid of Nolan Aeronado. They got rid of Sunny when they wanted to get rid of the year before. Now the new gm heim Bloom, who even in Boston wasn't given the privy to give out an extension until the whole Devers thing was like, oh crap, John Henry's like, we got to pay somebody. So do you feel like things are aligning for it, because at the end of this year, Jordan Walker's already got three years in the show. All of a sudden, he's just three years away from herbart from free agency. This extension is going to be historic if they do it.

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Speaker 3: No, totally, and it's something like for most of the offseason we ended up hearing about JJ Weatherholt as a guy who could be extended there. But Walker's really burst down to the scene here is ops has like jumped up significantly from last year. And he's a former first rounder, former top ten prospect, so it's always been in there, but it took him a little bit of time to get comfortable at the major league level and he's really settled in and you can see his numbers there. He's been a totally different player. The strikeouts obviously, like got to work on that, but still he is a player who is on the ascent, who they believe that can be a building lock for them, And if you can maybe extend weather holds, that's would be great. But Walker here, if I was if I was the Cardinals, he would be a priority for me if you can. There's a couple of different ways that can go about this thing too. If they want to do like a shorter term deal, you can look at like the Pete Carl Armstrong kind of kind of structure. I think that would make some sense. But if they want to go a longer term where it really ensures that he's going to be in Saint Louis for the majority of his career, I think the Austin Rally comp is a really good one. It's around the same age from when Rally signed his around I want to say, pretty close to the same amount of service time. I think it would make a lot of sense for them to consider. And the way that he's playing right now, obviously like it's he's still young, he's still growing. But if it continues this way, the price is only going to go up, So I think it would be smart for the front office to consider it.

00:11:46
Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 5: Do you think anybody outside of the National League East or Washington National fans in general know who Foster Griffin is before this season.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell if they read my story ID an exclusive in interview with Foster as he was coming over from overseas, so you would you would have known for sure. So's it's good seeing him burst down to the scene here like this is. He looks like a totally different picture from what he was here before. And he's been He's been incredible for that. He's been probably one of the best value signings, if not the best value signing of the entire offseason. One year for five point five million. There was a he got interest from a couple of different teams or a few different teams, I should say, but bet on himself with that one year contract, and I believe that was the first signing of the Paul tabony ero. So between that and also the early results here from the from the Mackenzie Gore trade, it looks like a pretty good start to the Paul to bony tenure in Washington for.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Robert, anything else we're missing on the trade front, I know it's early. I get excited. I'm sorry, I can't help myself. And I know you've started to float some notes out there. I think one of the articles was focused on that. So anything you're really feeling confident about as a key discussion point come trade deadline time. Because for now, it's like, cool, we can have a fun combo about Mets starters that could be available if they continue to stink, some Giant starters, maybe Sandiel Contre if the Marlins aren't in it. But anything you feel really good about as a name that's going to get talked about a ton in a month from now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this going back to the Giants because I've seen a bunch of different Internet smoke about this is after the Patrick Bailey trade. Like the first thought that I had is like, oh, what could be next year? Is this could be the start of a fire sale for the Giants, And as of this point, I don't see that happening. And Raphael Devers, William Doomas, Matt Chapman, the Giants have not internally discussed trading any of those players. They want to continue to build around them, and they want to continue to try to compete this season, and they believe that those players can be meaningfully better, like Devers has been much better in the month of May. He looks like a totally different player. I know what happened with William Dommas yesterday on the base as that was not a good look and he owned up to it after the game. But they still want to compete this season and that means keeping all three of those guys. If they do sell, I would look at Robbie ray A, Tyler Mallley. Maybe if Harrison Bader stays healthy and performs better offensively, he could draw some interest, but I don't expect it to be anything remotely crazy as far as the Giants go here. But another name that I expect again this is going back to the Mets, and I mentioned Freddie Perrault as a guy that is probably going to get interest. And the other one that I think with the Mets is going to draw plenty of interest here is going to be Clay Home and he is. He's been phenomenal this season. He obviously has extensive history in the in the bullpen, but the rotation, he looks like an all Star caliber player and he's got the ability. I think he's got an option for next season. At this point, he looks pretty likely to decline it and become a free agent, but I would expect a lot of teams to call about him. There is this trademarkets still forming, It's still teams are gonna be waiting quite a bit here until they make some final decisions. But I would expect if the Mets struggles continue, for them to get plenty of calls about both Parlta and Clay Holmes. But as at this point, I just don't see either of them going quite yet.

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Speaker 4: Robert, you mentioned you recently wrote about the CBA negotiations that started.

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Speaker 3: Does this mean there's hope or does.

00:15:20
Speaker 4: This mean it's just eyewash and we're gonna we're gonna hear about them starting to talk, but it's really not going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels kind of like eyewa. I don't think. I don't think this is going to go anywhere at this point. And my guess is we see very little if any movement during the regular season, and then eventually a lockout is going to happen, and then at that point it's a matter of who moves first. But often deadlines spur action, and that's what I would expect. Once there's a potential threat of missing games, I would expect both sides to come together and try to reach an agreement here because at the end of the day, like both sides will want to get paid, They will want their money, and I can't see them having like a real threat of missing significant games or any games, because yeah, there's a bunch of different issues that are gonna end up coming up here, and the salary cap is gonna be the top issue. There's gonna be a bunch of others here as well. But who budges first on the salary cap because the owners are going to push for it, the players are against it. And when I was talking to Brent Soudor about it, he seemed like he was very much against it, and it seems like most, if not all, of the players are feeling that same way.

00:16:30
Speaker 1: They're gonna start budging on like March twentieth. Both sides. They're gonna be like, yeah, we're gonna play a full season. We might have to start a few days late, but we're gonna do one sixty two because the media deals are the biggest thing, and that's a couple of years later and nobody wants to lose on on that. So your spring training plans might have to get adjusted, But you know, I'm just trying to fast forward through all of the fun that we're going to have covering this thing. But in the meantime, trades are fun. Robert great, catching up with you, dude. Appreciate you.

00:16:54
Speaker 2: Looking forward to a lot more combos leading up to the deadline too.

00:16:58
Speaker 3: No, for sure, I appreciate you boys. Having good rest of your day, and thank you guys. I appreciate you.

00:17:11
Speaker 7: But if something interesting comes across my phone, I'm going to present it and don't blame me. It's just my phone and a for Cocta Brown check mark. And I use the term lightly source, it's really not. It's just someone who heard something. Don't be surprised if we wind up. If we end up with Mike Trout, great source. He's one hundred years old, but they think he's a better leader than Bregman and we'll hit a bunch of home runs at Fenway Park and La likes Duran and bail.

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Speaker 2: It cross my mind, would you put it.

00:17:37
Speaker 7: Past John Henry to be reactionary and reach for a move to try and regain the narrative. He would do it because it's so reactionary and it just sort of feels as off the wall as trading Raffie Devers in the first place, and kind of a reaction at this point of the season. Listen, it's my responsibility to present for Cockta things that come across my phone. If it happens, you can you can thank me.

00:18:08
Speaker 2: It's Mike Felder, radio host up in Boston.

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Speaker 4: Some just came across my phone. A source told me it's mean to use the word for Mike Trutwice. He likes Ficashia bread. Yeah, because Mike Trout is going to the Marlins. You heard it here from a source.

00:18:24
Speaker 2: Also, Mike Trott has a full note trade clause.

00:18:27
Speaker 4: He's not going to Boston. And for Brian Bao and Jared Duran.

00:18:33
Speaker 2: Mike Trout's not going to approve a trade to Boston.

00:18:36
Speaker 5: Now and he costs money.

00:18:39
Speaker 1: Will he ever get traded? I think there's a chance that at some point it works out. Like I think the people that just completely dispel it are a little bit delirious. But it has to be like very very many.

00:18:51
Speaker 4: It would have to be safe, it would have to almost be Philly. Yeah, but he also wants to go somewhere where they really have a chance to win.

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Speaker 2: Philly has a chance to win.

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Speaker 8: I agreed, but Boston doesn't right now with the career set up. And also it's he's a better leader than Bregman. I love Mike Trout. I haven't heard that.

00:19:11
Speaker 2: These guys are essentially just taking callers and then.

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Speaker 4: Krat Have you heard that about Mike Troue. I mean, I've heard Mike Trout's awesome. I've been around him a little, very little. He's awesome. He's one of the But I haven't heard of him being like Bregman.

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Speaker 1: I mean like that getting everybody's scouting report and then calling them and going over everything and being like, here's what I saw on the other side, Like Bregman's a coach. Trott's not a coach, He's a player, like very good player. Bregman's a player coach. Do you agree, Like there's a few guys like that where he's like, no, I'm actually gonna be a part of the staff.

00:19:42
Speaker 4: Do you think Korea got his because he Korea is almost like a GM coach player.

00:19:47
Speaker 2: Yes.

00:19:48
Speaker 3: Do you think he got that from Bregman.

00:19:49
Speaker 2: A little bit? Yeah? I think he saw that.

00:19:53
Speaker 5: I don't know when I played with Korea in sixteen at the beginning of the year. He was already he was already like real mature for his age. I think he might have been twenty two at the time. I can look it up while I'm chatting chatting here, but yeah, he was already young, did he I mean, did they learn together? Absolutely, learn together. But at that point Bregman wasn't up yet. But I remember I was doing like a I was doing, so he was twenty one at that time, and I remember thinking, this is a really mature twenty one year old. Like I was doing like an exercise, doing my med ball routine in the gym, in the weight room, and he comes in. He looks at me, He's like, why do you do that? What are you looking for? What's the He's always he's very inquisitive, very I mean, you listen to back in the day one of our first interviews here, Like he cares about the process, and he cares about his career, and he's always looking for something. So I don't know, I don't know who got it from who, but I know before Bregman made it up because Bregman made his debut in sixteen then that Correa was already that way. Like very inquisitive, wanting to learn, and kind of mature beyond his years.

00:21:04
Speaker 1: I want to make sure we have a few minutes for this one. It got millions of views on the tweet last night from our.

00:21:11
Speaker 5: Account, Launch Angle, Launch Angle Tatis.

00:21:14
Speaker 2: No different one. Oh okay, let's show it.

00:21:19
Speaker 1: Albert Poohole said he rejected a three hundred and fifteen million dollar offer before signing a contract.

00:21:23
Speaker 2: With the Angels in twenty eleven.

00:21:25
Speaker 1: The team who made the offer, which you didn't reveal, is an hour forty minutes from the Dominican Republic, well.

00:21:33
Speaker 4: Run in Houston, no Seattle.

00:21:38
Speaker 1: So David Sampson on his show, and he's a friend of this show, went on and discussed it.

00:21:42
Speaker 2: Now I listened to it for you guys.

00:21:45
Speaker 1: He started it by going, we didn't care what age he was or if he did stereoys his words. I swear, I'm literally just saying go click on the episode he started there and then eventually talked about how they like his shelf life was a max of five years, even though they were offering ten or whatever it was.

00:22:04
Speaker 2: They didn't care.

00:22:05
Speaker 1: They were like, this guy's worth forty plus a year just for five years.

00:22:09
Speaker 2: For us, you know.

00:22:10
Speaker 1: Anyway, the offer, yeah, ended up being that massive amount. I didn't get to finish because he was still going and then our show started. But he talked about how he slept in Dan Lozano's suite, like they have a big suite and there's tons of guys in there just talking about deals, and they didn't want to be seen by the media, so they waited there while Albert decided, and then the next morning they come back in and said, nope, sorry, going with the Angels.

00:22:30
Speaker 2: So obviously the Marlins were pissed.

00:22:32
Speaker 1: They felt like it was done already with Dan, and Dan was waiting for Pooholes and his ex wife at the time to make the decision.

00:22:38
Speaker 2: So there was a lot going on there. But Samson did lay it all out and they were pissed. That's probably why.

00:22:44
Speaker 4: He, I mean, it was more surprising. This was the fact that the I mean, the Marlin the biggest surprises Marlin's offered three hundred and fifteen million.

00:22:51
Speaker 1: It was real, I mean said he said, it was real. They were getting paperwork. He already approval and he doesn't make this stuff up already, approval from MLB Commission owner. All that stuff was signed off to do the deal. They were prepping it with the PR team, and then he took the turn to the angels.

00:23:06
Speaker 4: And what do you get from the angels?

00:23:08
Speaker 2: What did he get from the angels? Two thirteen?

00:23:11
Speaker 4: So he took two fifty instead of three point fifteen in Florida with no taxes.

00:23:19
Speaker 2: That's the only interview.

00:23:20
Speaker 5: That's the only confusing part for me that that's where but I mean when you think about like the amount of money, Christy, that's sixty five, that's about one hundred.

00:23:30
Speaker 2: Million dollars more when you include the taxes, when you.

00:23:32
Speaker 3: Include the taxes, Wow, God.

00:23:36
Speaker 5: That's the part. That's the part where I have a hard time believing it. But the other part that don't have a hard time believing. People were like, oh man, the Marlins did that, Like this was right around when they extended Mike Stanton, like Jean Carlow got the got the extension a little bit after that, and I think his was three twenty five. Am I right on that? Or three nineteen?

00:23:59
Speaker 3: Yeah?

00:23:59
Speaker 2: That was until No, that was years later, years.

00:24:02
Speaker 4: Later, because he's still right.

00:24:05
Speaker 2: No, maybe fifteen, I.

00:24:07
Speaker 4: Was thinking fifteen or sixteen.

00:24:09
Speaker 5: I thought it was thirteen years I thought it was thirteen years and he signed it in fourteen. So I'm saying like they already were. I mean, it's not like the Marlins now who have you know, are paying essentially what the Dodgers are paying Kyle Tucker as a payroll like they had they had it, like they had reached the three hundred million dollar plateau where they were like, Okay, well we offer it the pool hosts like sure, Jonky ball game you can have. You can have three hundred and some million, Like I think, I'm sure you guys figured it out when he.

00:24:42
Speaker 1: Signed thirteen and twenty fourteen, you were closer on the years.

00:24:46
Speaker 2: That was pretty good.

00:24:48
Speaker 3: So is that time.

00:24:50
Speaker 5: And it was the same time that they that they lied to that they lied to Mark Burley, the same time that they lied to Jose Reyes I mean signed him.

00:24:58
Speaker 3: Did I say, lie?

00:24:59
Speaker 5: I meant lied to them and they brought all those guys in and then they traded and asked those guys.

00:25:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was not handled. I don't care what they say. They told the agents and the players that they had a heath bell. They told them that they can't do no trade clauses. It's like this company policy it's in the Bible. It's just not allowed, but that they have a no trade clause. And then they traded them five minutes later, and that might be why Albert Poohols was like, yeah, I'm gonna go.

00:25:33
Speaker 4: This was before that. Now it was before no I know, So this was this is in twenty eleven. This is when they signed Burley because that was your Assie left.

00:25:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, the White.

00:25:44
Speaker 4: Sox so twenty twelve would have been his first year. They signed Reyes, they signed Burley, they signed I think John buck Bell, Heath Bell.

00:25:51
Speaker 2: This was the pivot.

00:25:52
Speaker 1: The pivot was they had money, They're opening the ballpark, and they're like, let's spend.

00:25:56
Speaker 2: This is our time.

00:25:57
Speaker 4: It was a year they had the TV show with Ozzie when Us in about two weeks and then he got fired for saying he loves Castro.

00:26:03
Speaker 2: Yep.

00:26:04
Speaker 5: Well, like, let's let this isn't the time. This was just the season that they were going to spend. They were clearly going to spend like they did, and then they just send everybody out, just like they've done every other year in the history of their franchise. Hey we're gonna try. Hey we won a World Series. Bang, we want another World series, get rid of everybody,