Why You Can’t Sue The #1 Most Harmful Product In America with Aaron Siri

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<v SPEAKER_01>A child in 1986 following the CD schedule gets three injections by their first birthday.

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<v SPEAKER_01>A child following the CD schedule today gets 25 injections by their first birthday.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That is a law passed by Congress in 1986 that gave pharmaceutical companies unprecedented immunity.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Vaccines are the only product in America where you cannot sue the manufacturer to claim that had they made the product safer, my child would be alive.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Car companies, gas tanks used to explode.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Pintos.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Make them better.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Don't make them explode.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The reason why is because they can be sued.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And normally a company's interest in making money and safety are aligned.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Except for vaccines, which is why parents have to do their homework with this product.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You're designing the trial, you're the pharma company, you're not liable for the injuries.

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<v SPEAKER_01>What is the economic incentive?

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<v SPEAKER_01>In fact, doing a multi-year placebo control trial is against your pecuniary interest as a company.

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<v SPEAKER_01>In fact, probably grounds to fire everybody who did that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Vaccines, amen.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's a damn religion.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And they believe in it.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Vaccines, you want to know what's going on right now with legislation.

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<v SPEAKER_03>My next guest, I'm telling you, is changing the world right now for our children.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Listen, whether you are a believer in vaccines, non-believer, hate vaccines, love vaccines, you need to watch this show because right now laws are changing, and I believe for the better of our children, for the better of humanity.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And my next guest right here wrote Vaccines.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And it's Aaron Seary.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Thank you for being here.

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<v SPEAKER_01>My pleasure.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Thank you.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, I am so excited for this interview.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I just interviewed not that long ago, Del Bigtree.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And you can get that interview on my on the podcast.

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<v SPEAKER_03>But he spoke of you several times in the interview.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And you're the man behind the scenes, man.

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<v SPEAKER_03>So I am excited.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And, you know, I'm excited for people even to get this book.

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<v SPEAKER_03>We're going to talk more about this.

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<v SPEAKER_03>But okay, man, I don't even know where to start except to say this.

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<v SPEAKER_03>You right now are leading the fight behind the scenes and all the legislation that's going on with vaccines.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And unless you've had your literally head buried in the sand, man, you're you're missing some exciting things right now.

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<v SPEAKER_03>You're going to learn about them all right now in this podcast.

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<v SPEAKER_03>But, you know, okay, I'm going to, I want to go back.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, how the heck did you get into this battle?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Who wants to fight this battle?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Who wants to be the attorney right now?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Because I mean, your head's on a chopping block.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Well, I'll uh uh I'll tell it to you in the form of a story.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, so um uh there was uh some measles cases in New York City, and uh the New York City Department of Health decided that they were gonna make it illegal to literally just exist on God's earth without getting an MMR vaccine in this particular area of Brooklyn.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It was mostly ultra-religious Jews.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They did not want to get the an MMR vaccine because in every single vial, in every single vial, there are literally billions of pieces of human DNA from the cultured cell on an abortive fetus.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Because viruses have to grow.

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<v SPEAKER_03>By the way, people don't even know that right there.

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<v SPEAKER_03>No.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Because so many people are against abortion.

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<v SPEAKER_03>They fight, they'll, you know, all the stuff about abortion, they'll put up the sign, and yet they don't know this about vaccines.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They don't, they don't know that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um and um uh so the only way they could get their kids back in school was either to get the shot, which they will not do, right?

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<v SPEAKER_01>They'd you know, they're much more uh, you know, they they don't they're not gonna sacrifice their souls for you know something on earth.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, and so the only way they could do it is actually have their kids have measles.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So they started having measles parties.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And by the way, we had measles parties growing up.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I'm 60 years old.

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<v SPEAKER_03>We were sent down to the neighbors to get measles, mumps, chickenpox.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I remember.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You know, most a lot of folks out there still remember chicken pox.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And when they do, they're like, oh yeah, that's not a big deal.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And if you go back, like you said, a little further back in time, that's the way people thought about measles.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The way most folks think about chicken pox today, because they went through it, they know it.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Do you remember the Brady Bunch uh episode?

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<v SPEAKER_03>The laughing about it.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, no, because that was that was them getting measles, right?

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<v SPEAKER_03>It was they were joking about it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And before the first measles vaccine in 1963, one in 450,000 Americans died of measles at a time when it was endemic, when everybody got it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Think about that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So it's it's nothing like they claim millions would die without a measles vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_03>It's not even And by the way, and it wasn't a healthy child that got that died from measles, meaning they had immune compromise.

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<v SPEAKER_03>There was something going on.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, it was around 400 deaths a year in the late 50s, early 60s before the first measles vaccine at a time when acute medical care is nowhere where it is today, um, and where there were still pockets of this country that were like developing countries where any infectious disease can kill a child, right?

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so we've progressed since then.

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<v SPEAKER_01>In fact, between 1900 and 1963, measles mortality in America declined by over 98%.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You know what didn't cause that?

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<v SPEAKER_01>The vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Because it didn't exist.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Didn't exist.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Did not exist.

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<v SPEAKER_01>What did cause it?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Probably could point to, you know, sanitation, living, you name it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um by the way, same thing with polio.

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<v SPEAKER_03>You know, I mean, the the decline didn't happen because of the vaccine, like people think.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You know, polio is a very odd disease because unlike every almost all every other infectious disease for which we vaccinate, the mortality rate declined from 1900 onward precipitously without any vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Virtually every one of them.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The only one that went the other way was polio.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Polio mortality was almost non-existent.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, really, uh 1890s was the first like actual reported cases of a few outbreaks in the 1900s and then it started climbing.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It only really took off in the 1940s, yeah, by the way.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So I write about that in in in chapter eight of my.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But it was because of the vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It was the type of vaccine they were using.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The first vaccine was introduced in 1955.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So Salks vaccine was 55, then the you know, Sabin 61, 63, type 1, 2, and 3.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So, you know, um, that's I have a whole chapter.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's really, it's a really fascinating story.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But okay, I want to get back to that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But I I took you off your thing.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So the the uh the lawsuit.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So long story short, showing up at literally these people's doors, banging on their doors, giving them violations for just living in their homes.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like you could stay in your house and do nothing, and you're still in violation of the law.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So we uh I came to From Sin Action Network where Dell Bigtree was on your shows, the CEO of um, a nonprofit that that that fights against uh overreaches of government in this arena, um, supported our firm.

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<v SPEAKER_01>We have over 100 folks at our firm, about 50 of them just do vaccine work, and we have a policy practice.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so supported our policy practice to fight any violation anybody got.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So, you know, we we um ended up getting hundreds of them dismissed, all on technical stuff.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You served it too late, you served it too early, you served it up, you whatever.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, lawyer stuff.

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<v SPEAKER_01>There was about 20 that we we we couldn't get dismissed on technical grounds.

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<v SPEAKER_01>We had to fight substantively.

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<v SPEAKER_01>We're down in the hearing room, the uh general counsel of the New York State City Department of Health um, you know, is is defending um one side, I'm on the other.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And then we go in the hallway.

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<v SPEAKER_01>He's a nice guy.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And he asked me the same question you asked.

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<v SPEAKER_01>He said, Why are you doing this?

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's what he asked me.

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<v SPEAKER_01>He said, I don't understand.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like you went to Berkeley for law school.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, you clerked for the chief judge of the Supreme Court of Israel.

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<v SPEAKER_01>He's like, you worked at one of the you know top firms in the country representing billion-dollar disputes for like almost six years, and then I opened my own firm.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And at that time, this was over a decade ago, I was still doing tons of commercial litigation.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That was mostly what I did back then, representing corporate interests and you know, a hundred million dollar disputes, stuff like that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And I said to him, I said, Listen, I want you to picture an ethnic group, okay, or a racial group or a religious group.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Just picture anyone you want, okay?

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<v SPEAKER_01>The most persecuted one you can think of.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Now imagine I said to you about them, let me tell you something.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You know what we should do with these people?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Throw them out of school, kick them out of their jobs.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They're bad, they're selfish.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Don't even treat them in the ER when they come in.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's you'd say, you'd say, that's not how you treat people.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You'd immediately have a visceral reaction, but go turn on the news, especially back then.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The way they talked about people who didn't vaccinate.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I know.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It was unbelievable.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And what are these people doing?

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<v SPEAKER_01>They're either often in two camps.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Either they're in the camp of they have a religious objection to one or more vaccines.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They're like, look, I don't know if God messed up that bad, and I don't want to participate in this or whatever it is.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And then you have a large contingency where one of their children have been injured by these products, or they have been injured, or sometimes even killed.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, obviously that's rarer, thank God.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Religious exemption, medical exemption, medical reason.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But now you can't get a medical exemption in America for the most part.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Because that's not the way.

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<v SPEAKER_01>In every other practice of medicine, it's based on clinical judgment, except for really one.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You don't get to exercise clinical judgment when it comes to whether you're going to exempt a child from a vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That you have to do using the contraindication and Bacross Land's disease schedule.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Anyways, long story short, so, you know, um uh who do these mandates impact?

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<v SPEAKER_01>They don't impact, they don't go after the folks who and and who are uh this, you know, just incredibly bad conduct.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They don't hurt the folks who want to take these products.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They're free to take them.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's those who don't who have a real reason to not take these products.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like that's who they're talking about.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like these parents of a child.

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<v SPEAKER_01>We have cases where I have a case, for example, where we have uh uh a situation where an older child died and then they wanted to kick the younger kids out of school because the parents wouldn't vaccinate.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Or we have a kid in a wheelchair, a kid in a wheelchair, yeah, he got transverse myelitis, most likely, right, from the vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So he's paralyzed for life.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And they wanted to kick him out of school because he won't get more vaccines because the parents don't want to give him more vaccines.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Literally, that situation exists while it exists in California.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so and so, you know, the why do I do this work at its core?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Because, you know, these folks are terribly treated by the media, by most of the medical community, um, and by pretty much, you know, uh the uh um large parts of society.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's gotten a lot better now.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Rare is the person that wakes up one day and says, you know what I want to do today?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, you know what I want to do today?

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<v SPEAKER_01>I uh you know what I'm gonna do today?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Here's what I want to do.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I want to take a socially ostracizing position that might get my kids kicked out of school, get my, you know, me called a quack or anti-this or anti-science.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe my friends will start disowning me.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe I'll even lose my job.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe I will, maybe I'll get kicked excluded from my social circles.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Who does that?

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<v SPEAKER_01>No, you have to have a powerful experience or learn something that you can't unlearn to get to that place.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And that's the people that they persecute.

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<v SPEAKER_03>You could have defended O.J.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Simpson and been a hero.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Uh, you know, those guys all went like this in their career for, you know, getting O.J.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Simpson off.

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<v SPEAKER_03>But no, you're actually taking the innocent and making them uh, you know, defending them.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And, you know, yeah, you lose your reputation by doing that, of course.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, you get attacked viciously for doing this work.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And look, I I you want to get a vaccine, this is America.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I support your right to do it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Fight for your right to get as many vaccines as you want.

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<v SPEAKER_03>That's what I want people to hear too, because you know, I have a lot of different views that watch this show, right?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>You know, it's like that's what I want them to hear.

00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:23.279
<v SPEAKER_03>It's like, listen, we are all for, you know, if you want to get vaccinated, vaccinate your kid or you, it doesn't matter to me.

00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:26.159
<v SPEAKER_03>But let's respect our rights that we don't want to.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And that's all we want.

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<v SPEAKER_03>However, there's a problem because they say that, but us not getting vaccinated or vaccinate our kid disrupts herd immunity and therefore puts their kids at threat.

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<v SPEAKER_03>So I want you to speak to that.

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<v SPEAKER_03>It's a utilitarian view, meaning we are doing the best for society and humanity.

00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:48.559
<v SPEAKER_03>I know these people die, and I know there's consequences of this, but we're doing the best.

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<v SPEAKER_03>That's really what it's based on.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Glad.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Happy to respond to that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>First of all, the claim that your vaccine doesn't work unless I take it is magical thinking.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Let's just start with that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So there's zero science to that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So just if you get a vaccine and I don't get a vaccine, does that mean your vaccine does not work?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, let's just let's just put that point aside.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Let's start with the some basic science.

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<v SPEAKER_01>First of all, most vaccines do not stop infection and transmission, they reduce symptoms, but they don't stop transmission, meaning they have zero impact on community immunity.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Let's just go quickly through the vaccines required for school, the core vaccines.

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<v SPEAKER_01>All right, let's start with DTP.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Tetanus is a toxoid vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>What's in the vial?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Is there any antigens from the tetanus bacteria itself in the vial?

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<v SPEAKER_01>No.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Only a toxin sometimes released by that bacteria.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's then deactivated with formaldehyde put in the vial.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Meaning, if you actually have tetanus in your body, it will still replicate, it will still proliferate.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You just might be protected because the toxin release might get neutralized from the immunity the vaccine creates.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Diphtheria vaccine is also a toxoid vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Same deal.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Might prevent you from getting, let's leave it at that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Tennis is not transmissible anyway, by the way.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, no.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So it doesn't matter.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That brings us to protustis vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, and by the way, you know, um, with diphtheria, the immunity lasts so short that adults have to get it every 10 years.

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<v SPEAKER_01>40% of adults don't get it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The last case of respirator diphtheria is three decades ago.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, irrelevant.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, it's just silly.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, it's stupid.

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<v SPEAKER_03>It's obviously not a you don't need to and your chances of getting tetanus, let's see, a rusty nail, cows upstream, in a stream, it's an anaerobic bacteria.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, come on.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, the the chances are slim to none.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Oh, and if you got it, you could save your life with a high dose antibiotic.

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<v SPEAKER_03>So it's it's arguably useless, is my point.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But you want, but the point is to your saying, your point about community immunity, you want to get it, get it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But it's nothing to do with community immunity.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, so DPT.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So now we're down to protustis.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The protussis vaccine act does reduce the symptoms, but it does not in any way reduce the amount of carriage in your nasopharynx of the protustis bacteria because it creates no mucosal immunity.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's injected in the arm.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It'll create IgG antibodies, it'll create immunity in your bloodstream, it'll create a certain form of immunity to certain select epitopes, antigens, but it doesn't create any immunity to that prevents transmission.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Not me saying this, FDA says this.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Studies called Warfell scientists, okay, in a series of published studies, actually directly studied this issue.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And the consensus papers published by the world's quote-unquote leading authorities on vaccine, on protusis and protestis vaccine, pharma funded scientists, and the world literally said these exact words I'm about to say.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They said it creates no mucosal immunity, hence, it cannot prevent infection transmission and has no effect on community immunity.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So there goes DPT, MMR.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But wait, before I move on to protustis, it's really important because it reduces symptoms, but it doesn't stop carriage.

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<v SPEAKER_01>In fact, what the FDA found is that in their study, they found the carriage for 42 days, but the naive baboons, meaning the baboons that had never been infected and no vaccine, had carriage for only 35 days.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Meaning the baboons who were vaccinated had carriage for longer.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Longer.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So more infection was spread, arguably.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Not absolutely.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And not only that, the initial imprinting you have from the vaccine, called original antigenic sin, they now call it because it sounds nicer, linked epitope suppression, remains.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So you've been vaccinated, then you get infected with protussis, you will be infected, you can transmit it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Probably more likely to transmit it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Why?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Because are you staying home?

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<v SPEAKER_01>You have symptoms?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Less likely to have symptoms.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You're going out.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You're going to school.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You're going out.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And the person who's more like a symptom, where's he staying?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Staying home.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Now, that person who had symptoms stayed home.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Now, if they encounter protussis again, because they don't have that messed up imprinting, the next time they encounter it, they don't become infected.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You become infected over and over again.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And over no lifetime again.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And you know how you know this is probably this is happening?

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<v SPEAKER_01>The way they measure the disappearance of a pathogen is they look at the inter-epidemic intervals.

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<v SPEAKER_01>If you have a vaccine that is interrupting transmission, and there are some that do, the inter-epidemic intervals start widening because there's less circulating pathogen.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And when there's more circulating pathogen, the inter-epidemic intervals get narrower.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The intra-epidemic intervals have, according to some studies, stayed the same, and according to others, have gotten a little narrower.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They've not widened.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Again, less cases, disease because of symptoms, but more transmission.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So if you want to prevent the potential increase of spread in a case, so if you care about others, don't get vaccinated.

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<v SPEAKER_01>If you care about others, according to their logic, you need to kick all the kids who are vaccinated for protustis out of school.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, there you go.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's what you need to do.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Opposite of what we're told.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Never should do because individual civil rights are way too important.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And again, okay.

00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:09.119
<v SPEAKER_01>So to that brings DTB.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So in fact, it's the opposite.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And I've literally sued on this issue, by the way.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So it isn't anybody who doubts what I just said could go look, should look at all the sources.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And then by the way, and I'm sure you have them right here.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Well, there, yeah, there's a whole chapter in transmission that's chapter nine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And I go through the whole Protestant thing, and you're going to love reading about the lawsuit I did about it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, and you know, proofs in the pudding when when uh you know, I'll just leave it at that.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I won't be surprised.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, you know, and and I admittedly, I told him I didn't read the book yet.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I just got and I was traveling, and I cannot wait.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I'm gonna tear through this.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Sherry Tenpenny told me, and Del Bigtree.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Oh my gosh, you have to read it.

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<v SPEAKER_03>It's like it reads.

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<v SPEAKER_03>You'll it's an easy read.

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<v SPEAKER_03>You look at it and it'd be like, oh come on, how could a book on vaccines be an easy read?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Both of them said it's an easy read.

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<v SPEAKER_03>You'll rip through it.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I can't wait.

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<v SPEAKER_03>My goal.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Uh and and anybody who reads it, you doubt anything, please check the site.

00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:08.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Check it, click it, look at it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They're almost all cited to government and high-impact journal sources.

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<v SPEAKER_01>All right, so we got we had DT, we had DTP.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Let's I'll do super quick the rest of them.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Then we have polio vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The last polio, the only polio vaccine used exclusively in the US since 2000 is the inactivated polio vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's injected in the arm.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Polio is transmitted from fecal to oral contamination.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Gotta get somebody's poop in your mouth, right?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And by the way, that's why it was surging back then, is because it was a sanitation issue.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And when they cleaned up sanitation, it impacted polio.

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<v SPEAKER_03>We're gonna get to polio in a minute.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The prior oral polio vaccine could create some intestinal immunity, but again, IPV creates no IGA antibodies.

00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:46.559
<v SPEAKER_01>It doesn't create any intestinal immunity.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Again, I'm just a lawyer.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's what the study showed.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's what the CDC literally itself says.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It says that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>If polio were to return, you know, their guidance is everybody has to get OPV.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, so for the last 25 years, anybody who's gotten an IPV vaccine, which is unless you went abroad, that's all you got in America, you have no immunity that prevents transmission.

00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.319
<v SPEAKER_01>So again, nothing to do with community immunity.

00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:14.160
<v SPEAKER_01>So you're saying even if you get the polio vaccine, you have no immunity?

00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:16.880
<v SPEAKER_01>You have no immunity that prevents transmission.

00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Now, you might have some IgG antibodies in your blood.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Of course.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And the idea is in the very rare situation, because it was rare, where the polio virus went from your intestinal tract into your bloodstream.

00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:34.319
<v SPEAKER_01>It put the vaccine, the idea is that it would prevent it from them getting to your spine and causing a poliomyelitis, right?

00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:36.160
<v SPEAKER_01>From causing that effect.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But that's personal protection.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's like an asthma inhaler, maybe.

00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.240
<v SPEAKER_01>But it's not community immunity.

00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:45.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Meaning you said, well, they say you have everybody has to get it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Otherwise, you know, it's about herd immunity.

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<v SPEAKER_03>But that has nothing to do with herd immunity.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Because they they do.

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<v SPEAKER_03>They give credit to the vaccine of why we don't have massive outbreaks of polio today, which is you're saying it's impossible because it doesn't print prevent spread.

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<v SPEAKER_01>For inactivated polio vaccine, yes.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Oral polio vaccine, you can have a different discussion.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But by the time OPV came around, and we're getting on to a different topic, um, you know, polio had been mostly brought under control before that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Interestingly, in pockets of America that even didn't get IPV, and most interestingly, even though IPv does not prevent transmission.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And again, IPV explained to them we have newbies, you know, versus I'm sorry, inactivated polio vaccine.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That is the one that's injected versus oral, which is directly in your bloodstream, which raise antibodies temporarily.

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<v SPEAKER_01>In your blood.

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<v SPEAKER_01>In your blood, but not in your intestines.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so countries that have exclusively used IPV, they never used anything else.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Polio went away.

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<v SPEAKER_01>How?

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<v SPEAKER_01>How could that happen if with a product that doesn't stop transmission, including in the populations there that never got the product?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Gotta remember, people think of vaccine uptake today as like, oh, 97, 8%.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's not the way uptake used to be.

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<v SPEAKER_01>In the early 1980s, the polio uptake in America, three doses plus, was in the high 50%.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>For DTAP, for MMR, it was in like 60%.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Same thing for a DTAP.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That was the uptake.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And those are the only three routine vaccines in the early 80s in America.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Anyway.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But so it falls apart.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And in fact, if IPv reduces symptoms, okay, because it's personal protection.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's a shot.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:35.279
<v SPEAKER_01>If it reduces symptoms, who's lower likely to keep going to school?

00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:37.119
<v SPEAKER_01>All right, that's two down.

00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:38.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh mening cockle vaccine.

00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:40.720
<v SPEAKER_01>CDC website said there's nothing to do with community immunity.

00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:43.599
<v SPEAKER_01>The immunity doesn't even last more than five years at best.

00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:45.920
<v SPEAKER_01>And and it's only recommended uh for teens.

00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:46.240
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:49.359
<v SPEAKER_01>So that that's and they say it's nothing to do with community immunity, it's personal protection.

00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.240
<v SPEAKER_01>That leaves um then HEP B vaccine.

00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.039
<v SPEAKER_01>HEP B is not transmitted in a school setting.

00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:57.680
<v SPEAKER_01>We actually FOIA the that's Freedom of Information Act.

00:21:57.920 --> 00:21:59.119
<v SPEAKER_01>We sent a request to CDC.

00:21:59.200 --> 00:21:59.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Can you provide us?

00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:05.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Any instance of hepatitis B being transmitted in a school setting, and they're like, we have no records of that.

00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:06.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Why?

00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:09.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Because it's got to be one wild classroom.

00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:09.839
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:13.359
<v SPEAKER_01>If you got hep B being transmitted in the classroom, okay?

00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:16.799
<v SPEAKER_01>Any cases of that.

00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:19.680
<v SPEAKER_01>And that brings us to basically MMR and chicken pox.

00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:24.559
<v SPEAKER_01>Finally, for anybody watching who's getting upset about this, and and I'm just saying what the data show.

00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:31.359
<v SPEAKER_01>So if you're having an emotional reaction, that you know it that's that's reflective of why I call it vaccines, amen, the religion of vaccines.

00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:31.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, yeah.

00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:35.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Instead of an intellectual reaction, like, oh, that's interesting data.

00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:39.200
<v SPEAKER_01>If you're getting upset, you finally have two vaccines that you shouldn't get upset about.

00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:39.599
<v SPEAKER_01>You ready?

00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:44.799
<v SPEAKER_01>MMR, chicken pox, those can and do create immunity that interrupts transmission.

00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, which is why measles is not endemic anymore in America.

00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:58.000
<v SPEAKER_01>It's been mostly eliminated, as well as uh uh varicella, chicken pox virus is on its way out because the vaccine does stop transmission.

00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:01.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Whether or not that has had a net public health benefit is a different question.

00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:03.359
<v SPEAKER_03>But now here's the problem with that.

00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:14.559
<v SPEAKER_03>I would argue, knowing what I know, that stopping these childhood, I don't want to call them diseases, infections, if you will, uh, is a problem.

00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:33.359
<v SPEAKER_03>As a matter of fact, I just came back and Bobby was speaking on the in DC on that very topic, that when we used to have spread and go down for the parties to get measles or chickenpox, uh, you're building an immunity that prevents other problems, autoimmune cancer.

00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:35.440
<v SPEAKER_03>He talked about all of those later in life.

00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:41.279
<v SPEAKER_03>So, what I'm saying, what he was saying is getting these, preventing spread is a problem.

00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:46.799
<v SPEAKER_03>We should want spread because these things are important to build a better immune system later.

00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:56.079
<v SPEAKER_03>I know that's counterintuitive to what most people hear because they're saying, oh my gosh, if we could just stop measles, especially, you know, chickenpox, uh, we're going to protect children.

00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:58.240
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, problem is we're setting up diseases for later.

00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:00.160
<v SPEAKER_01>I'll give you one example of that.

00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:06.720
<v SPEAKER_01>So we we talked earlier about 400 deaths in America by the time they brought a measles vaccine in.

00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:12.799
<v SPEAKER_01>And remember, population exploding from the 1900s to 1960, mortality declining by 98%.

00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.519
<v SPEAKER_01>That line would probably have continued without a vaccine.

00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:22.000
<v SPEAKER_01>In fact, in England, where they introduced a measles vaccine in 1968, mortality declined by over 99%, right?

00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.400
<v SPEAKER_01>The mortality would have likely gone on without a vaccine.

00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:30.799
<v SPEAKER_01>But let's put it sound, let's just assume the vaccine is the sole reason for the reduction of mortality.

00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:46.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Japan, the country of Japan, um, in a massive study, funded by the government and major institutions there, tracked over a hundred thousand Japanese for 22 years, prospectively, not retrospectively, so meaning highly reliable study, right?

00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:50.160
<v SPEAKER_01>Because it's hard to rig a prospective study compared to, okay.

00:24:50.400 --> 00:25:00.640
<v SPEAKER_01>After 20 years, what they found is this those that had had measles and mumps died at a statistically significant low rate, 20% reduction in mortality.

00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:00.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Wow.

00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:04.240
<v SPEAKER_01>As compared to those who didn't who did not have it.

00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:08.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Heart disease kills 900,000 Americans a year.

00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:16.000
<v SPEAKER_01>If eliminating measles and mumps, according to this data, and the way there's no data to contradict this, I've never seen a study that has found the opposite.

00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:21.839
<v SPEAKER_01>If that is valid, if let's just assume we've increased mortality by 2%, forget 20%.

00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:22.160
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Ooh, your public health benefits upside down.

00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:33.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Children and adults who have had not had measles have a 66% increase in Hoschans' lymphoma and 166% increase in non-Hoschless lymphoma.

00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:36.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Small study, that one was retrospective, but it was statistically significant.

00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:44.880
<v SPEAKER_01>And the whole line of cases that looked at those who've had furbile childhood infections, measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, versus those that didn't.

00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:45.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:52.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Those that didn't had far higher rates of all kinds of cancers, ovarian cancer, 50% increase for those who haven't had measles, an example.

00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:57.839
<v SPEAKER_01>Now, again, those small those studies are smaller, they're retrospective, but they are consistent.

00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:00.640
<v SPEAKER_01>They're all in PubMed and they're done by major institutions.

00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:00.799
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:06.400
<v SPEAKER_01>They're not done by, you know, the folks who are like, and they were done a few decades ago, and they're very inconvenient.

00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:07.440
<v SPEAKER_01>So nobody talks about it.

00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:08.240
<v SPEAKER_01>No one talks about it.

00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:09.680
<v SPEAKER_01>But there are, I go through them all.

00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:09.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:13.599
<v SPEAKER_01>But that's what that's what Bobby, that's what Secretary Kennedy's talking about.

00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:16.799
<v SPEAKER_01>Pathogens have come and gone throughout the ages.

00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:18.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Why did measles go away?

00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:18.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:22.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe because it conferred a survival advantage.

00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:22.400
<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe.

00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:22.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Absolutely.

00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:23.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Think about that.

00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:25.839
<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe God didn't mess up.

00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:29.200
<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe nature didn't mess up, however, one wants to look at it.

00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:34.319
<v SPEAKER_01>And I'm not saying, you know, I'm not reaching a definitive conclusion.

00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:39.920
<v SPEAKER_01>What because it's, you know, what I am saying is that folks who do this stuff need to be humble.

00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:46.079
<v SPEAKER_01>And they need to look at the big picture, not just like, yeah, we prevented one measles death from vaccine.

00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:46.720
<v SPEAKER_01>That's it.

00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:47.920
<v SPEAKER_01>That's all that matters.

00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.079
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't care about how many people they've injured.

00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.000
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't care about the externality effects.

00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:52.880
<v SPEAKER_01>You go down the road.

00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:53.359
<v SPEAKER_01>You understand?

00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:53.759
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:26:53.839 --> 00:27:00.799
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, again, if you're looking at the whole, the Totalian view of let's protect the masses, they still have it wrong.

00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.240
<v SPEAKER_03>I don't think that anyone should do that.

00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:03.599
<v SPEAKER_03>I don't think we should have that view.

00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:16.799
<v SPEAKER_03>But if you did, it would be like, well, gosh, if you're really concerned about the masses, you should want people to get measles, mumps, rubella, and you shouldn't prevent these other, you know, again, I don't, I, I, I I pull back from calling them diseases, infections.

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:20.400
<v SPEAKER_03>Okay, to put a bow on this, just, you know, because maybe people got lost in it.

00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:20.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Okay.

00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.440
<v SPEAKER_00>So there's a lot of DPT, yeah, exactly.

00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:28.640
<v SPEAKER_03>But the DPT, you know, all of those vaccines, the MMR, the measles, mumps rebella, all those vaccines.

00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:42.240
<v SPEAKER_03>Okay, none of those, but the only two out of all of that that do is the measles in the chickenpox, the two that studies show it's actually good to get because it helps your immunity later.

00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.359
<v SPEAKER_03>That's what the studies reflect.

00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:45.680
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:58.319
<v SPEAKER_03>So the whole thing, it's it's really a straw man that they're saying, you know, we need to vaccinate everybody and we need to get it to 99.9% because then we're going to create her immunity and beat all these diseases.

00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:03.279
<v SPEAKER_03>It's just, you just said, according to the studies, it's a fallacy.

00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:05.359
<v SPEAKER_03>You can't hold that up anymore.

00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:07.359
<v SPEAKER_03>But that is what being is being held up.

00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.359
<v SPEAKER_03>And we saw it in COVID, Aaron.

00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:10.240
<v SPEAKER_03>We saw it in COVID.

00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.200
<v SPEAKER_03>If you don't get vaccinated, you're putting us a threat.

00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:14.720
<v SPEAKER_03>And these people were mean.

00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:16.400
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, they were mean, man.

00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:17.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Where are they now?

00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.200
<v SPEAKER_03>They were saying we are killing people.

00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.680
<v SPEAKER_03>You're killing people by not getting vaccinated.

00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.480
<v SPEAKER_03>How dare you affect me and my family?

00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:26.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Where are these people, Aaron?

00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.160
<v SPEAKER_03>Because they were dead ass wrong.

00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.640
<v SPEAKER_03>It prevented, it didn't prevent anything.

00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.519
<v SPEAKER_03>As a matter of fact, it's killing people as proven today.

00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:38.880
<v SPEAKER_01>The way you just described that to me were is, you know, think about any other product.

00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Would anybody talk to you that way?

00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:41.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Right?

00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.319
<v SPEAKER_01>You're going to clog the hospital system and kill people.

00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.799
<v SPEAKER_01>You well, you know what clogs the hospital system and kill, you know, is cardiovascular disease.

00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:50.240
<v SPEAKER_01>900,000 deaths here, right?

00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:52.880
<v SPEAKER_01>And if I don't take medication, no one cares.

00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:54.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Do you think somebody's going to come?

00:28:54.319 --> 00:29:00.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Imagine somebody came and yelled at you and said, How dare you not take a statin and clog the medical system?

00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Because people don't have religious beliefs about statins.

00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:03.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:04.799
<v SPEAKER_01>But I'm telling you.

00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:05.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Vaccines, amen.

00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.200
<v SPEAKER_01>It's a damn religion.

00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:08.319
<v SPEAKER_01>And they believe in it.

00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:14.799
<v SPEAKER_01>And so when you have, except the only difference between this religion and a real religion is in a real religion, you know it's a religion.

00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.559
<v SPEAKER_01>You're like, I'm going to take a leap of faith.

00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:16.960
<v SPEAKER_01>True.

00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:18.240
<v SPEAKER_01>That is the point of religion.

00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.720
<v SPEAKER_01>It's a leap of faith to answer the unanswerable.

00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:22.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Where do we go after we die and so forth?

00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:32.640
<v SPEAKER_01>These folks, this small cabal in particular, vaccinologists, they think they think they're engaged in science, but really they're engaged in vaccination.

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:34.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, science is the new religion today.

00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:35.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Let's be real, right?

00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.680
<v SPEAKER_03>Because when you see signs in people's yards, I believe in science.

00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:43.279
<v SPEAKER_03>It almost says, I don't believe in God, I believe in science.

00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:47.039
<v SPEAKER_01>It's almost like I thought science and belief are antithetical, by the way.

00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:47.599
<v SPEAKER_01>Exactly.

00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:48.400
<v SPEAKER_01>See that's the thing.

00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.640
<v SPEAKER_01>I always find that funny when people say, well, because it's like, you don't believe in vaccines.

00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, I'm you don't think they're good?

00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:56.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, I don't think they're good or bad, or I'm not pro or anti.

00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:57.920
<v SPEAKER_01>They're just a product.

00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:00.640
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm not like for or against this sofa cushion.

00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:00.799
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.440
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't think I'm pro or anti-it, and nor do I think it's good or bad.

00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:04.240
<v SPEAKER_01>It's just a sofa cushion.

00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:04.799
<v SPEAKER_01>It could be good.

00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:06.480
<v SPEAKER_01>If it causes cancer, it's bad.

00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, you know, if it makes me feel more comfortable, I guess it's good.

00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:10.319
<v SPEAKER_01>It's just a it's just a cushion.

00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:12.960
<v SPEAKER_01>If I hit you long enough for heart, I might be able to kill you with it.

00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:13.920
<v SPEAKER_03>So maybe it's bad.

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:14.400
<v SPEAKER_03>I don't know.

00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:20.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, but you know, the they have asked for people to be understanding, and I've seen those articles, but being forgiving.

00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:22.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Here's the craziest part to me.

00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.640
<v SPEAKER_01>You took a vaccine that's a non-LIVE vaccine, right?

00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:28.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Because that's what mRNA technology is, right?

00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.039
<v SPEAKER_01>It's a non-LIV vaccine.

00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:38.720
<v SPEAKER_01>You injected it in the arm to create immunity for a respiratory infection.

00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:39.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.079
<v SPEAKER_03>They come in this way, folks, not through your scan.

00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:48.079
<v SPEAKER_01>You just now, anybody who understands basic immunology vaccinology, infectious disease, right?

00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.960
<v SPEAKER_01>You know, the the same folks had depose all the time.

00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:57.920
<v SPEAKER_01>You would be like, okay, there's a very extraordinarily, like almost certain chance this thing won't stop transmission.

00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:04.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Because just like pertussis vaccine, oh, respiratory infection, non-live vaccine, injecting arm, mucosal immunity?

00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:04.640
<v SPEAKER_01>No.

00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:04.880
<v SPEAKER_01>No.

00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.160
<v SPEAKER_01>IPV, no.

00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Go down the list, find me.

00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:15.759
<v SPEAKER_01>There are you not, it is, you're gonna be very difficult to find vaccines that are inject, non-live vaccines that are injected that create mucosal immunity.

00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:16.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.359
<v SPEAKER_01>So when they release this product, they should know.

00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:32.000
<v SPEAKER_01>I I can't get over how Rochelle Bolinsky, then CDC director, went on CNN and was like, act at all surprised, like, well, it looks like the vaccine's not stopping transmission, so everybody's got to wear a mask again, even if you're vaccinated.

00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.160
<v SPEAKER_01>How did you not realize this to begin with?

00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, right?

00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:36.799
<v SPEAKER_01>But yet they took away everybody.

00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:43.599
<v SPEAKER_03>You would realize, wait, if we're going through the blood and it's transmitted through the mucus, it makes no sense, bro.

00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:44.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.440
<v SPEAKER_01>How how is that going to create mucosal immunity?

00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:49.839
<v SPEAKER_01>Have you have you had a history of it doing that?

00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:57.920
<v SPEAKER_01>They shouldn't have been surprised and they shouldn't definitely not have acted the way you just you just uh very well um, you know, uh mimicked them.

00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:09.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, you know, it's funny because if I if you really cared, then maybe I should stand out front of McDonald's over here um and pick it, you know, stop, you know, look, you're causing heart disease, right?

00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:17.279
<v SPEAKER_03>It's like because meaning there is a direct correlation of what we put in our darn mouth, you know, in heart disease to your point, killing most people, you know.

00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.960
<v SPEAKER_03>But man, like, you know, I don't care if you take your medication or not, but wait, you care so much about my vaccine.

00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:23.440
<v SPEAKER_03>I don't get it.

00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:25.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, you know the old adage, right?

00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:25.839
<v SPEAKER_01>Follow the money.

00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:32.559
<v SPEAKER_01>So, like when I look at an organization like the American Academy Pediatrics, for example, they're outraged when vaccinations go down.

00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:33.039
<v SPEAKER_01>What does that?

00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:38.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, that reduces the amount of money their practitioners can make because they're a trade organization, not medical organization.

00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.559
<v SPEAKER_01>They're there for the interest of their members.

00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.599
<v SPEAKER_01>When chronic disease goes goes up, where's the outrage?

00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:47.200
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, oh, because that does that create more and less money for their constituent members.

00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:47.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, more money.

00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:48.799
<v SPEAKER_01>Where's the outrage?

00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:49.599
<v SPEAKER_01>Don't see it.

00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:56.400
<v SPEAKER_01>Show me the trend line that makes more money, and I'll and I'll show you the conduct often, not always.

00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Not always.

00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.599
<v SPEAKER_01>That's why you're not seeing picketers outside of McDonald's.

00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:00.480
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, exactly.

00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.240
<v SPEAKER_01>That that's exactly that's what makes, by the way, yeah, Secretary Kennedy.

00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:05.200
<v SPEAKER_01>That's what makes Robert F.

00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:06.160
<v SPEAKER_01>Kennedy Jr.

00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:07.599
<v SPEAKER_01>so unique.

00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:12.400
<v SPEAKER_01>That's what makes him and makes him so dangerous to the entrenched interest.

00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:18.559
<v SPEAKER_01>And it's why they are spent endless amounts of resources to try and just destroy him.

00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:24.559
<v SPEAKER_03>So I was just at the uh Christmas, I I joked because I said Christmas party, I didn't see anyone with a Christmas hat on.

00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:31.759
<v SPEAKER_03>So it seemed like it was more as an update of what was going on right now in Washington than the party was in Washington, D.C.

00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:42.400
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, and they were talking about re-looking at the vaccine schedule, meaning even Trump said, I think someone brought up in the conversation as it was said, look at the Dutch.

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.720
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, they get a fraction of the vaccines.

00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:45.680
<v SPEAKER_03>Nine less vaccines.

00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:46.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Nine less vaccines.

00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:48.559
<v SPEAKER_03>They get, um, they spread them out, right?

00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:50.160
<v SPEAKER_03>Nine less vaccines on the schedule.

00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:50.720
<v SPEAKER_03>I'm so sorry.

00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:51.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, yeah.

00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:53.200
<v SPEAKER_03>And the way they give them is very different.

00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:55.599
<v SPEAKER_03>And Trump was like, well, why why aren't we doing that?

00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Because their statistics are so much better, evidently, right?

00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:04.480
<v SPEAKER_03>So, anyways, bottom line was is they're saying, yes, now we are going to relook at the vaccine schedule.

00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:09.039
<v SPEAKER_03>They also talked about fact is, is we're going to give parents a choice again, right?

00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:10.639
<v SPEAKER_03>Where it's like, hey, you want to vaccine?

00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:11.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Great.

00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:15.199
<v SPEAKER_03>So tell us what's going on right now, because this has just happened last week, a lot of this stuff.

00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:21.519
<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, what you just said about what Trump said and what Trump put out as, you know, online, you saw that, right?

00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:31.679
<v SPEAKER_01>He said, I am authorizing, I am directing the HHS, Secretary Kennedy, to reevaluate our current schedule in light of other developed nation schedules.

00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.719
<v SPEAKER_01>Denmark, which you just brought up, schedule, okay, is you ready for it?

00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:37.599
<v SPEAKER_01>It's so simple.

00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Let me give you the American schedule super quick first.

00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.800
<v SPEAKER_01>A child 1986 um following the CC schedule get three injections by their first birthday.

00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:46.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Three injections.

00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.719
<v SPEAKER_01>A child following the CD schedule today gets 25 injections by their first birthday.

00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:52.000
<v SPEAKER_01>That is a massive growth.

00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:56.639
<v SPEAKER_01>And by the way, every single one of those products was clinical trial by a company.

00:34:57.679 --> 00:34:59.760
<v SPEAKER_01>I just you can reference that as a visual.

00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:00.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Go ahead.

00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:00.719
<v SPEAKER_01>There it is.

00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.000
<v SPEAKER_01>And that and that's just in utero to the first birthday.

00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.239
<v SPEAKER_01>That's all that differential is what you're showing on there.

00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:07.679
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, and there's no, yeah, explain that.

00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:15.440
<v SPEAKER_01>So the first picture is So the first picture is a child in 1986 following CDC schedule gets three injections and two oral drops.

00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:29.519
<v SPEAKER_01>A child today following the CDC schedule gets 25 injections, 25 injections, and three oral drops in the mouth on or before their first birthday, including in utero.

00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:41.039
<v SPEAKER_01>At COVID, by the way, it's four more injections because one in utero and the it's a three injection series for the Pfizer COVID vaccine for a baby at six months, seven months, and eight months, isn't that nice?

00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:41.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Wow.

00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.159
<v SPEAKER_01>So um that's the differential.

00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:54.000
<v SPEAKER_01>And because of something called the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, that is a law passed by Congress in 1986 that gave pharmaceutical companies unprecedented immunity.

00:35:54.239 --> 00:36:08.079
<v SPEAKER_01>They made it so that you can never, ever sue a pharma company to claim that if your child died or was injured from a vaccine, the company is responsible on the basis they could have made the product safer.

00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:12.400
<v SPEAKER_03>But Aaron, there must be other drugs that you can't sue a company for.

00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:14.000
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm gonna repeat.

00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:25.679
<v SPEAKER_01>Vaccines are the only product in America where you cannot sue the manufacturer to claim that had they made the product safer, my child wouldn't have died.

00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:38.559
<v SPEAKER_01>My child would be alive, my child wouldn't be in a wheelchair, my child wouldn't have a neuropathy, wouldn't have an autoimmune issue, wouldn't have some kind of immunological issue, wouldn't have you name the some kind of weird disautonomia, tons of those cases.

00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:41.360
<v SPEAKER_01>It's the only product.

00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:47.280
<v SPEAKER_01>Listen, leading up to 1986, there were only three routine vaccines, OPV, MMR, and DTP.

00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:50.800
<v SPEAKER_01>They were causing so much harm, every manufacturer stopped making them and went out of business.

00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:58.400
<v SPEAKER_01>Six protusses makers down to one, about six for uh measles down to one, and three for um uh uh polio down to one.

00:36:58.480 --> 00:36:58.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:04.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Now, a lot of industries face this crossroad, you know, uh building materials industry, right?

00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:09.280
<v SPEAKER_01>When they found asbestos, they're like, oh whoops, we need it, we need immunity so we can keep selling asbestos.

00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:10.800
<v SPEAKER_01>No, get the asbestos out.

00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:11.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.320
<v SPEAKER_01>Car companies, gas tanks used to explode.

00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:15.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Pintos.

00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:16.719
<v SPEAKER_01>Exactly.

00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:17.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Make them better.

00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.440
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, don't make them explode.

00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:23.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, the reason why is because they're asked to be sued, so they have to make them better.

00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:24.559
<v SPEAKER_01>And what are company?

00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:26.639
<v SPEAKER_01>You own stock in your in your retirement account.

00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:27.760
<v SPEAKER_01>What do you want that stock to do?

00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:28.800
<v SPEAKER_01>You want the price to go up?

00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:29.679
<v SPEAKER_01>Of course you do.

00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.400
<v SPEAKER_01>You want that increase in value, so does Wall Street, so do the investors, so do the board members.

00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.280
<v SPEAKER_01>Everybody wants it to make money.

00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:43.440
<v SPEAKER_01>And normally a company's interest in making money and safety are aligned.

00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, because if they put a product that hurts people, they're gonna lose money.

00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.880
<v SPEAKER_01>So they have a it's it's the market self-corrects for unsafe products, okay?

00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:54.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Except in this world.

00:37:54.320 --> 00:38:00.639
<v SPEAKER_01>Except for vaccines, which is why parents have to do their homework with this product, the market will never self-correct.

00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:22.239
<v SPEAKER_01>And every one of those shots, save one, was added onto the schedule based on it by a company that trial it, knowing they wouldn't be responsible on that basis, which is why, by the way, and I'm gonna actually get back to Denmark, I'm taking a long segue, which is why when you look, for example, the clinical trials for drug products, often multi-year placebo controlled trials.

00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:27.519
<v SPEAKER_01>Pfizer's four most profitable drugs, just not to cherry pick, all had multi-year placebo controlled trials.

00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:29.280
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, I laid out in my book.

00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:39.519
<v SPEAKER_01>But most vaccines are licensed based on trials with days or weeks of safety monitoring after injection, never, not for a single one of the routine injective vaccines, never had a placebo control.

00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:44.159
<v SPEAKER_01>So days or weeks, not years, not years, so maybe up to six months.

00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:50.559
<v SPEAKER_01>And even if they reviewed it long enough, there's no proper control group because there was never an inert control group.

00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:56.480
<v SPEAKER_01>And when another vaccine is used, that vaccine was never licensed on a proper trial with a placebo control.

00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:01.920
<v SPEAKER_01>I go through every vaccine, but I try to make fun, and then often underpowered, meaning not enough people.

00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:09.199
<v SPEAKER_03>And this is an important thing because you can't the drug companies, it's the only drug you can't sue for, you know, if there's an injury.

00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:19.599
<v SPEAKER_03>And it's the only drugs that aren't double-blind placebo trials, meaning we have uh literally, this is the way studies are supposed to be done on medications.

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:32.000
<v SPEAKER_03>We have a placebo group thinks they got the the drug, and we can watch the difference of the uh of the vaccinated group in this case and the people who weren't vaccinated and see if there's reactions, et cetera.

00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:38.400
<v SPEAKER_03>And then we look at them for years to come or uh our after, and yet this is not being done with the vaccines.

00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:38.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:39:38.960 --> 00:40:02.880
<v SPEAKER_01>You take a large enough group of people so you can detect if there's an issue, you randomize who gets the placebo and meaning like a saline injection or or and the drug, and then you track them, like you said, for like let's say a few years, and then you finally unblind and you're like, all right, we're gonna statistically, to not in survivors, compare the rates of cardiovascular issues, cancers, immunological issues, neurological issues, autism between the two.

00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:03.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:04.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Go down the list.

00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:06.960
<v SPEAKER_01>And then and exactly, just like you said, they do that for drugs.

00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:08.719
<v SPEAKER_01>That's the question people are gonna have.

00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.400
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, why, Aaron?

00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:10.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Why?

00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:11.840
<v SPEAKER_03>It makes no sense.

00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:16.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Why wouldn't they want to prove safety and do a double blind placebo trial like every other drug?

00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:21.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Have you ever been in a corporate boardroom before and listened to the deliberations?

00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:22.320
<v SPEAKER_01>No.

00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:22.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:36.639
<v SPEAKER_01>So if you go to a Fortune 100, 500, if you walk into that boardroom or you walk into the office of the CEO or the COO and go down the list and they make decisions on what is the quickest way to profitability.

00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:38.880
<v SPEAKER_01>That is the way they make decisions.

00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:45.039
<v SPEAKER_01>So with drugs, the quickest way to profitability requires a long-term placebo control trial.

00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Again, they have economic self-interest to assure safety.

00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:53.920
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't want to end up losing tons of money a year after they put it on the market because holy sued.

00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.840
<v SPEAKER_02>Oh, but wait, oh, they can't be sued.

00:40:56.079 --> 00:41:00.079
<v SPEAKER_01>But for vaccines, again, it's it's just economics.

00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:05.840
<v SPEAKER_01>You're sitting there, you're designing the trial, you're the pharma company, you're not liable for the injuries.

00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:07.199
<v SPEAKER_01>What is the economic incentive?

00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:13.119
<v SPEAKER_01>In fact, doing a multi-year placebo control trial is against your pecuniary interests as a company.

00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:17.039
<v SPEAKER_01>In fact, it probably grounds to fire everybody who did that at the company.

00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:21.119
<v SPEAKER_01>I've never been in a boardrooms don't make decisions based on what's moral or ethical.

00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:22.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, it's profits.

00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:22.719
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.159
<v SPEAKER_01>They do it based on profits.

00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:30.239
<v SPEAKER_01>And and, you know, like I said, that normally works out in most instances because it's aligned.

00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.079
<v SPEAKER_01>So that's to me, there's no profits or a line except here.

00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.559
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, there's not like, I don't think there's like some it's not a con there's no conspiracy.

00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:39.599
<v SPEAKER_01>This is in plain sight.

00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:40.639
<v SPEAKER_01>This is what I say all the time.

00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:41.360
<v SPEAKER_01>In plain sight.

00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:41.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, exactly.

00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:42.719
<v SPEAKER_01>It's just a conspiracy.

00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:50.639
<v SPEAKER_01>It's a basic Congress broke the normal market forces that drive product safety.

00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Go to and you think, and you think the government's gonna make it safer?

00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:54.400
<v SPEAKER_01>Come on.

00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:56.719
<v SPEAKER_01>Government doesn't make anything safer.

00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:56.880
<v SPEAKER_01>No.

00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:01.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Go to extremely regulated countries that don't have much market forces, right?

00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.719
<v SPEAKER_01>Go to the old USSR.

00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:08.639
<v SPEAKER_01>Go to countries with highly regulated environment government environments and very free market little market forces.

00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:09.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Do you think their products are safe?

00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:10.159
<v SPEAKER_01>No.

00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:11.360
<v SPEAKER_01>No, they're safe.

00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:12.639
<v SPEAKER_01>That does not drive product.

00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:17.199
<v SPEAKER_01>What drives product safety is the economic self-interest, and it just doesn't exist for vaccines.

00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:17.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:18.639
<v SPEAKER_01>Denmark.

00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:19.280
<v SPEAKER_03>Denmark.

00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:20.239
<v SPEAKER_01>You made it back.

00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:21.119
<v SPEAKER_01>We made it back.

00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:21.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.199
<v SPEAKER_01>I know it was a long way around the bend.

00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:25.119
<v SPEAKER_01>So getting back to Denmark.

00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Denmark's schedule is as follows.

00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.840
<v SPEAKER_01>There are four vaccines given at three, five, and twelve months.

00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:37.280
<v SPEAKER_01>MMR is given at uh one and I believe three or something like that years of age.

00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:42.320
<v SPEAKER_01>And then there's another shot at five years, and then they do Gardasil and not at 11 years.

00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:42.719
<v SPEAKER_01>That's it.

00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:43.920
<v SPEAKER_01>That's the whole schedule.

00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Now, whatever one thinks about those vaccines, okay?

00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:48.719
<v SPEAKER_01>But let me tell you what it doesn't have.

00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:52.079
<v SPEAKER_01>In the first year of life, it doesn't have rotavirus.

00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.199
<v SPEAKER_01>It doesn't have uh uh uh RSV vaccine, it doesn't have HEP B vaccine.

00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.320
<v SPEAKER_01>In fact, you know what their HEP B vaccine rate for children is?

00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Like 0.101%.

00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:06.480
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't give it to anybody except for HEP positive mothers and super high risk.

00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.800
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't even think you can get it for a child in Denmark, okay?

00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:10.159
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't have flu.

00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:17.760
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't have COVID, they don't have chicken pox, they don't have DDAP, they don't have uh a meninja cockle vaccine.

00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.559
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm missing one, and they don't have it's pretty good.

00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:22.639
<v SPEAKER_01>There's nine that they don't have.

00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.159
<v SPEAKER_01>And you know what, Denmark's health outcomes are better than America.

00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:26.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, overall.

00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.440
<v SPEAKER_03>And that's what swayed Trump to make the comment he made, right?

00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.320
<v SPEAKER_03>He looked at this, showed him and he's like, well, what the heck are we doing?

00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:34.480
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, evaluate this now.

00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:35.760
<v SPEAKER_03>And they are.

00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:36.480
<v SPEAKER_03>So they are.

00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:40.880
<v SPEAKER_03>And they they also, I mean, as of recent, you mentioned the hepatitis B.

00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.440
<v SPEAKER_03>They don't even give it there, barely 0.001, whatever you said it was, right?

00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, we're evaluate we're reevaluating that as well for the under the same circumstances.

00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:55.440
<v SPEAKER_03>If the mother had hepatitis B, then yes, they would consider giving it, correct?

00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:56.159
<v SPEAKER_01>In yes.

00:43:56.239 --> 00:44:00.800
<v SPEAKER_01>So in Denmark, which by the way, even though they don't give hepat B to kids, virtually Ever.

00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:06.480
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't have a statistically significant, as I understand, a difference in the rate of chronic hepatitis B amongst children.

00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:07.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay?

00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:07.599
<v SPEAKER_01>Go figure.

00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:08.719
<v SPEAKER_01>Go figure.

00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:08.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:18.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Putting that aside, yes, they do still give it to a mother who has surface anger who's who's HEP B positive in pregnancy.

00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.599
<v SPEAKER_01>And of course, you know, there is a whole discussion about there are other things that are done too, right?

00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:26.159
<v SPEAKER_01>They give them other prophylaxis as well.

00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:29.119
<v SPEAKER_01>They give them immunoglobulins and so forth.

00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:32.400
<v SPEAKER_01>And so that whole protocol, vaccines are one piece of it.

00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:35.679
<v SPEAKER_01>What is the delta between the protocol with vaccine and without vaccine?

00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:37.199
<v SPEAKER_01>That's a different discussion, by the way.

00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:38.400
<v SPEAKER_01>Leave that aside.

00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:45.039
<v SPEAKER_01>But yes, they do give HEPI vaccine to infants born to HEPI positive mothers.

00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.840
<v SPEAKER_01>And that's basically it in Denmark.

00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:52.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Vaccines are the cash cow for the reasons we said can't be sued.

00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:56.480
<v SPEAKER_03>Don't have to put all millions, hundreds of millions of dollars into proving safety.

00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:03.760
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, they must be going out of their mind right now with these changes because if this goes through, which, you know, you're on the inside.

00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:07.039
<v SPEAKER_03>I want to hear that, you know, what are the chances of all this happening?

00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:18.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh, I mean, this is this is gonna change the one of the most powerful corporations in the world, these big pharma companies.

00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:19.760
<v SPEAKER_03>What are they doing?

00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:20.880
<v SPEAKER_03>They must be out of their mind.

00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:22.400
<v SPEAKER_03>And what forces are they come back with?

00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Because Aaron, there's no way they're gonna lay down to this.

00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:25.920
<v SPEAKER_03>No way.

00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:31.519
<v SPEAKER_03>Matter of fact, when I was at that party with Bobby, yes, he had like, I don't even want to say this.

00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:32.960
<v SPEAKER_03>I I'll just say this.

00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:37.679
<v SPEAKER_03>I was I was looking around because I'm thinking, man, that they gotta kill this guy.

00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.280
<v SPEAKER_03>And I say that I he's a friend.

00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.440
<v SPEAKER_03>I I don't say that lightly, but I was I was scared for him.

00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.719
<v SPEAKER_01>There are certainly security concerns of various kinds.

00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:50.559
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, you know, it doesn't require something organized, it could just be a one-off.

00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:59.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, you know, there are folks who get quite passionate um on various issues and you know can act erratically.

00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:00.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Putting that piece of it aside.

00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:02.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Lately, we see a lot of one-offs.

00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:11.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, putting putting putting that piece of it aside, well, we see a lot of uh demonization and portalization, and when that happens, the demonization happens, violence often tends to follow.

00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:20.079
<v SPEAKER_01>But yes, so he is certainly butting up against incredible entrenched interests, not with just vaccines.

00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, but but across the board.

00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:26.000
<v SPEAKER_03>He's up against big big food, big, I mean, he I might everything.

00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.360
<v SPEAKER_01>You you name it, and he has touching entrenched interests.

00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:39.119
<v SPEAKER_01>And um, you know, the they um and so if you're gonna go and you're looking at your budget, you're like, all right, we want to make sure that this profit, this product line remains profitable.

00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:41.840
<v SPEAKER_01>What they're doing now is gonna hurt that profitability.

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:49.760
<v SPEAKER_01>So, okay, that means we need more money on lobbying dollars, Park Avenue PR firms, media relations, like go down the list and they'll throw a billion dollars at it.

00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:51.519
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, they have it because they have it.

00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:52.960
<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, if you want to protect your product.

00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.760
<v SPEAKER_03>So they're planning something, they're sitting in boardrooms as we speak.

00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.280
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, I'm sure, you know, this week going, what are we gonna do about this?

00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Because this all the so much of this just came out last week.

00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:03.599
<v SPEAKER_03>But to be clear, this is not a conspiracy.

00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:04.320
<v SPEAKER_03>No, no, no.

00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:05.440
<v SPEAKER_03>It's just business.

00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:06.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Business.

00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:06.960
<v SPEAKER_03>It's business.

00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:08.639
<v SPEAKER_03>I'm the guy who says that.

00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:10.719
<v SPEAKER_03>In our space, it's a conspiracy.

00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:18.079
<v SPEAKER_03>These vaccines, it's you know, they want to just kick, you know, kill us off and then sell us drugs, and it's a big plan of making us unhealthy and selling us drugs.

00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:18.960
<v SPEAKER_03>I don't believe any of it.

00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:19.920
<v SPEAKER_03>These are just business decisions.

00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:20.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Just business decisions.

00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:21.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, that's it.

00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:27.679
<v SPEAKER_01>And they do a great job of making you think that the diseases are far more dangerous than they are.

00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:32.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, you know, they inflate that by magnitudes that are incredible, like measles.

00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:33.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Everybody's gonna die.

00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:35.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh, it's not the way the data works.

00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:41.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, on the other hand, they they to the same degree play down the harms that these products can cause.

00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:45.840
<v SPEAKER_03>And by the way, this whole when people make it about a conspiracy, I think it hurts.

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:46.079
<v unknown>Yeah.

00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:52.719
<v SPEAKER_03>Because people like me, if I were on the other side and they started saying, yeah, their plan is to make people sick and then sell them.

00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:56.159
<v SPEAKER_03>That makes me skeptical of the whole thing because I don't buy it.

00:47:56.320 --> 00:48:01.360
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't think that it's like, okay, let's design the product to cause energetic harm to then make more money.

00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:05.760
<v SPEAKER_03>But the point is that those conspiracies hurt what's actually happening.

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.480
<v SPEAKER_03>This is business decisions, profits.

00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:11.119
<v SPEAKER_03>And honestly, I believe this too.

00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:15.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Most of the people in that boardroom believe in their product too, because they don't understand what we understand.

00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:17.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Most people don't say I'm evil.

00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:19.039
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm bad.

00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:32.320
<v SPEAKER_01>If you met these people, they find a way to rationalize like most of the folks in the medical community that administer these products, they really think that yes, they can cause some harm, but they genuinely believe they're they're doing far more good than bad.

00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.519
<v SPEAKER_01>And so they believe that they so they're fine with it.

00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:35.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, and you know, go up the chain that way.

00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.400
<v SPEAKER_03>And by the way, people's doctors out there that say you need to get vaccine, they believe it too.

00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:42.719
<v SPEAKER_03>They do.

00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:48.639
<v SPEAKER_03>These are good people who have a heart and they believe and they don't have time to do the research.

00:48:48.880 --> 00:49:00.320
<v SPEAKER_03>Matter of fact, all doctors out there, you know, he wrote this for everybody, really, but it gives everyone an understanding and a layman's way of, you know, really what's going on.

00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.239
<v SPEAKER_03>And even the doctors need to read this.

00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:06.880
<v SPEAKER_01>And I say this respectfully, as respectfully as I can, for the public in particular.

00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.599
<v SPEAKER_01>They look at doctors and say, oh, doctors know about vaccines.

00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, and or they'll go, well, at least the pediatricians do, or the immunologists or the ID doctor, the infectious disease doctors.

00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:20.400
<v SPEAKER_01>For my depositions of those doctors, those disciplines, they don't know anything about vaccines, virtually anything.

00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:25.760
<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, the pediatricians in particular, um, the ID, the immunologists, they basically nothing.

00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:32.719
<v SPEAKER_01>The only ones who really know much about vaccines are the vaccinologists, the small, that's I call them cabal of individuals.

00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:33.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.800
<v SPEAKER_01>And who basically almost all do the clinical trials.

00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.280
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh they sit on the, they sit on these committees.

00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:52.559
<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, um, they create the a lot of what comes out of CDC, FDA, a lot of what becomes the advice, the standard of care, the schedules that the pediatricians then look to, the ID doctors look to.

00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:54.559
<v SPEAKER_01>It comes from these axonologists.

00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:55.840
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm deposed that one.

00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:56.719
<v SPEAKER_01>I deposed those folks.

00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:58.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Those are more interesting depositions.

00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.199
<v SPEAKER_01>The other depositions are just really, they're just like.

00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:07.440
<v SPEAKER_03>But I I bet you, I I don't want to use the word easy because that makes your job seem easier than it is.

00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:08.159
<v SPEAKER_03>It's not.

00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:12.800
<v SPEAKER_03>But it's probably easy to catch these people because the facts aren't on their side.

00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:14.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Oh, oh, you mean like when you're deposing them?

00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:20.400
<v SPEAKER_01>It's the easiest, it's in some ways uh so much easier than so many other areas, and I'll for two reasons.

00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:21.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Number one, okay.

00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:26.559
<v SPEAKER_01>In no other area, because it's not a religion or with any other product.

00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:32.400
<v SPEAKER_01>Would you would I walk into, and and my firm has, like I said, they've got 50 people who don't, you don't do all kinds of other things.

00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:39.679
<v SPEAKER_01>We are, you know, we do we have hundreds of data breach cases, biometric privacy cases, genetic privacy cases, all on the plaintiff's side, right?

00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:42.639
<v SPEAKER_01>Where we seek to protect people's genetic privacy, biometric privacy.

00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:44.159
<v SPEAKER_01>You lose your credit card to replace it.

00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:45.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Somebody steals your fingerprint.

00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:46.079
<v SPEAKER_01>What are you gonna do?

00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Or your or your retinal stand or your it's important stuff.

00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:49.599
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:51.199
<v SPEAKER_01>And nobody attacks me for that, by the way.

00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:51.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:52.320
<v SPEAKER_03>No, exactly.

00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:53.199
<v SPEAKER_01>You're a hero.

00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:53.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Nobody loves that.

00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh New York Times, like, oh, that's great.

00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:55.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, right.

00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.199
<v SPEAKER_01>But they're like, ah, we can't, we can't give them credit for that because we gotta keep attacking them on the other stuff.

00:50:59.280 --> 00:50:59.519
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:01.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Make vaccine safe for never.

00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:01.599
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:02.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Exactly.

00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:14.960
<v SPEAKER_01>In every other one of those disciplines, and let's say I'm going into a deposition about Goodwill tire, in no universe would Goodwill bring in one of their own consultants as their expert witness.

00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.039
<v SPEAKER_01>You'd be immediately discredited.

00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:18.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Immediately.

00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:20.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, but that's what they do.

00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:31.840
<v SPEAKER_01>They will bring in folks who have little than consultants, you know, totally conflict with pharma to be, and there is, I can't, there's virtually no vaccinologist that is not highly conflicted with pharmaceutical companies.

00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:32.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.280
<v SPEAKER_01>Because the only way, as I So you blow a lot of them out right there.

00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:35.599
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:43.519
<v SPEAKER_01>Because the only really way you rise in those ranks is do you think pharma is going to pay you to conduct clinical trial if your views don't align with their profitability?

00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:44.960
<v SPEAKER_01>So who gets selected?

00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.519
<v SPEAKER_01>But these, because their views already align.

00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:49.199
<v SPEAKER_01>So these vaccinologists, it's brilliant.

00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:55.039
<v SPEAKER_01>In my the way I explain all my book, they think they ascended of their own merit.

00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:59.760
<v SPEAKER_01>But really, they had the views that kept getting them pharma patronage.

00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:00.320
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:00.719
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:03.679
<v SPEAKER_01>It's in the form of reverse natural selection, I call it.

00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:07.039
<v SPEAKER_03>And because this is the a billion trillion dollar or thing.

00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:11.920
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, they they they, man, they cash in when they're ascending that ladder.

00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:13.119
<v SPEAKER_01>They ascend the ladder.

00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:14.880
<v SPEAKER_01>So um the vaccinology.

00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:16.400
<v SPEAKER_01>So when I so that's reason one.

00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Number two is they're never challenged.

00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:21.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Nobody's ever really challenged vaccinologists.

00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.559
<v SPEAKER_01>They live in this erodite world where they're just giving endless accolades.

00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:27.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Like when I deposed the world's leading vaccinologist, Dr.

00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:30.559
<v SPEAKER_01>Stanley Plotkin, who, you know, the medical textbook is called Plockin's Vaccines.

00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:32.159
<v SPEAKER_01>He has spent his whole career getting awards.

00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.480
<v SPEAKER_01>By the way, a lot of times awards with his own name on it.

00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.760
<v SPEAKER_01>The Plotkin medal for vaccinology.

00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:38.800
<v SPEAKER_03>The Pompo award.

00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:39.679
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, the Pompo award.

00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.679
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't really get, they've never really gotten serious because who's going to even push back?

00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:49.840
<v SPEAKER_01>When you read about an issue with a car, it's often because of a class action lawsuit.

00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:50.800
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't have to face that.

00:52:50.960 --> 00:53:00.880
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't get the negative news cycles, they don't get the lawsuits, they don't get the depositions, the cross-examination, so forth, unless in the few instances where they made the mistake to put themselves in this position where I got to depose them.

00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:04.000
<v SPEAKER_01>So in any event, it's it makes it easier.

00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:12.400
<v SPEAKER_01>But my bookshelf at my office has not as it has more medical textbooks than it does uh uh uh law books.

00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:18.719
<v SPEAKER_01>So, you know, I've got all you know books on the you know vaccinology, immunology, infectious disease, some genetic stuff and so forth.

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:20.480
<v SPEAKER_01>So that that part has taken a bit.

00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:26.639
<v SPEAKER_01>It's it's not been as much fun as a typical uh vacations when I'm often reading immunology textbooks on the on the beach.

00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:31.519
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, you know, I mean it's safe to say you know more about vaccines.

00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:40.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, I would I would say you know more about vaccines than any doctor out there, and uh, you know, because you had to, you had to learn what they don't have time to learn.

00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:42.400
<v SPEAKER_03>And again, it's not cutting on doctors one bit.

00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.320
<v SPEAKER_03>They don't have time to dig into this.

00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:58.800
<v SPEAKER_03>They don't, I mean, literally, to dig into the level that you have to to face a vaccinologist or, you know, any court in a case like the you have, and I want to hear about some of these big cases, uh, you know, you better, you better know this beginning to end, and you do.

00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.519
<v SPEAKER_03>You know every stat, every figure because you have to.

00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:02.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:03.840
<v SPEAKER_01>I I don't get to rely on titles.

00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.320
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't have an MD or an MPH or a PhD.

00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:08.800
<v SPEAKER_01>I have to, I gotta make my claims based on evidence.

00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:09.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:09.440
<v SPEAKER_03>Data.

00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:17.599
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, Bobby's uh criticized oftentimes, RFK Jr., um, because he's a secretary and he's not even a doctor.

00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:18.719
<v SPEAKER_03>Most of them are not doctors.

00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:19.679
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, exactly.

00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:20.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Step one.

00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:21.840
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh, was there any?

00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:23.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Oh, yeah, I guess a few.

00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:24.320
<v SPEAKER_03>Um not most aren't.

00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:25.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh and look at the last one.

00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.719
<v SPEAKER_03>Okay, you know, how many pull-ups could he or she do?

00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:29.440
<v SPEAKER_03>I don't know.

00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:30.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Um anyway.

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.480
<v SPEAKER_01>And how many have been how many of them have been, you know, uh pharmaceutic executives?

00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:34.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:35.119
<v SPEAKER_01>No.

00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:36.159
<v SPEAKER_03>And that wasn't an issue.

00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:37.519
<v SPEAKER_03>I've sat at tables with Bobby.

00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:42.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Bobby knows this stuff like you because he's had to depose it, he's had to fight it.

00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.360
<v SPEAKER_01>And he's and he knows stuff in a whole bunch of other areas too.

00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:50.320
<v SPEAKER_01>I just know vaccines, but you know, he's you talked to him about it's amazing his breadth of knowledge in so many areas.

00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:50.639
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:55.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, he's he's tremendous um about many topics on health.

00:54:55.280 --> 00:55:01.039
<v SPEAKER_03>I I've had the conversations and he he is, like you said, he's he's pretty broad, perfect guy for the job.

00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:06.960
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, okay, so uh talk about some of these big cases of uh you know uh of recent.

00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:13.519
<v SPEAKER_03>And I and I want to I want to get into and maybe you're gonna jump right into it, but Del Bigtree, he sat here.

00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:14.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Yep, right.

00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:16.880
<v SPEAKER_03>We talked about the inconvenient study.

00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:19.679
<v SPEAKER_03>And um, wow, what a documentary.

00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.920
<v SPEAKER_03>If you haven't seen it, folks, uh, make sure I it's I think it's still free.

00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:28.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Go to um, I think it's an inconvenience study.com.

00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.039
<v SPEAKER_03>And yeah, an inconvenience study.com.

00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:31.920
<v SPEAKER_03>You can watch it.

00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.480
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, but you were a big part of that as well.

00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:42.480
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh uh Well, I mean, you uh as far as like the understanding of what they did in there is they compared the vaccinated group to the unvaccinated group.

00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:43.280
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes, yeah.

00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:50.000
<v SPEAKER_01>So, you know, um in the early 1980s, the data reflects under 10% of kids had a chronic health condition.

00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:57.519
<v SPEAKER_01>Today, over 40%, some stats are over 50%, and often multiple chronic health conditions and of greater severity than they did in the early 80s.

00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.079
<v SPEAKER_01>And what are those chronic seditions that have exploded?

00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:07.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Most of them have some form of immune system dysregulation, autoimmune, autoimmune or or cancer something like asthma.

00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:08.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Cancers, asthma, I mean all of it.

00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:10.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Atopic issues.

00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:18.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Um even ADHD, when you look in the literature, yeah, uh, the etiology appears to be related to some kind of immune system dysregulation.

00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:19.119
<v SPEAKER_01>You don't think about there.

00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:20.559
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't, I was surprised when I saw that.

00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:21.119
<v SPEAKER_01>I was like, really?

00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:22.239
<v SPEAKER_01>ADHD is related.

00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:32.079
<v SPEAKER_01>But when you go down the list, you realize because your nervous system and your immune system are really intertwined and and often mucking one mucks with the other.

00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:37.679
<v SPEAKER_01>With that said, so what has caused the immune system of our children to dysregulate in mass since the early 1980s?

00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:42.320
<v SPEAKER_01>I got a wild, I got a wild idea um for a study for you.

00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:42.960
<v SPEAKER_01>You ready?

00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:46.559
<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe study the products given over and over and over and over and over again.

00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:50.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Again, we've gone from three shots to 29, including COVID.

00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:52.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Just in by the by the first birthday.

00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:53.920
<v SPEAKER_01>That's it.

00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:55.920
<v SPEAKER_01>So, and they tell you this is a powerful product.

00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:59.119
<v SPEAKER_01>It'll modify your immune system systemically, your toe to your ear.

00:56:59.199 --> 00:56:59.519
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:08.400
<v SPEAKER_01>There uh had been a number of studies that have looked at children with no vaccines, to children that gotten one or more vaccines, were vaccinated.

00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:16.159
<v SPEAKER_01>And those studies, often small, often retrospective, they have confounders, as all retrospect studies do, some more confounders than others.

00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:19.599
<v SPEAKER_01>I when I depose doctors, I you know, I'm pretty easy to address.

00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.039
<v SPEAKER_01>But they're consistent.

00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:26.159
<v SPEAKER_03>I don't want people to get lost in this retrospective meaning we're looking back, comparing two different groups, looking back.

00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:29.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes, meaning you take an existing data set and you're comparing the data.

00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:35.599
<v SPEAKER_01>So when you do that, you know, researchers can it's easier to play with the data, right?

00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:43.280
<v SPEAKER_03>With that said, and that's why these studies that you're mentioning were criticized, because they're saying, oh, they just played with the data, or they didn't look at it properly.

00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:49.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Or it's based on parental survey, it has recall bias, or it has this bias, or hascertainment bias, or it has whatever.

00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:54.400
<v SPEAKER_01>But the thing is that all retrospective studies have confounders.

00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.599
<v SPEAKER_01>You disclose them and you try to control for them.

00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:07.599
<v SPEAKER_01>And over time, unless you're going to do a prospective study, which you are not ethically allowed to do, they say, all you will ever have are studies that use existing data sets to compare vaccinated.

00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:21.039
<v SPEAKER_03>And explain that because that's been, again, another straw man that they say, well, we can't ethically do these double-blind placebo trials because we can't, it's unethical to have a placebo group, meaning we can't not give these kids that vaccine.

00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:22.239
<v SPEAKER_03>That would be unethical.

00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:23.039
<v SPEAKER_01>That's what they say.

00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:32.000
<v SPEAKER_01>And I would not disagree if there was an existing vaccine that itself was properly trialed.

00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:32.639
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:35.280
<v SPEAKER_01>There was already a double edge saying this is safe.

00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:36.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Exactly.

00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:38.719
<v SPEAKER_01>And that's by the way, that's not just me saying it.

00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.679
<v SPEAKER_01>That is what the bioethics literature for drugs says.

00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:49.440
<v SPEAKER_01>So the very first two hepatitis A vaccines ever licensed, okay?

00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.880
<v SPEAKER_01>There was no reason not to have a placebo control group.

00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:53.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Did they know?

00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:58.079
<v SPEAKER_01>One used a head B vaccine as a control, which itself was not properly trialed.

00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:06.880
<v SPEAKER_01>The other one used an injection of yeast protein, AHS, which is an aluminum admin, the proprietary Merc, and a mercury.

00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.639
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, I don't know what that was at the Senate hearing committee.

00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:13.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh there, KC was like, well, there's the he's lying.

00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:21.360
<v SPEAKER_03>There has been, there's been two that there has been two that the studies that they used double-blind placebo trials.

00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:28.559
<v SPEAKER_03>What they well, what wasn't said or clarified was, yes, but the placebo group, they didn't give them water, okay?

00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:32.159
<v SPEAKER_03>They gave them a vaccine or straight aluminum, literally.

00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:33.199
<v SPEAKER_03>That was the placebo group.

00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:39.840
<v SPEAKER_01>They gave them an right, a neuro and cytotoxic substance that is used to induce autoimmunity in lab animals.

00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:40.320
<v SPEAKER_01>It's insane.

00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:42.880
<v SPEAKER_01>That was the placebo group, folks.

00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:43.599
<v SPEAKER_01>It's not right.

00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.119
<v SPEAKER_01>That's but which is not a placebo.

00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:45.599
<v SPEAKER_01>That's the place.

00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:47.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Because placebo means something inert.

00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:47.280
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:51.840
<v SPEAKER_01>So it can have more than just potentially saline, right?

00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:53.760
<v SPEAKER_01>But it needs to be something inert.

00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Like it needs to be an inert substance.

00:59:56.159 --> 01:00:06.320
<v SPEAKER_01>Otherwise, you don't know Gardasil vaccine, Gardasil 4, when it was licensed, the group of girls got Gardasil and a group got almost all of them got an injection of aluminum adjuvant.

01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:10.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Aluminum adivinant, we know, can cause immune system and autoimmunity.

01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:25.199
<v SPEAKER_01>2.3% of the girls within six months, healthy girls and women, 2.3% within six months that got the vaccine, developed some type of uh of suspected systemic autoimmune immune condition.

01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:26.239
<v SPEAKER_01>2.3%.

01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:29.760
<v SPEAKER_01>It's not normal, but it was deemed safe.

01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:30.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Why?

01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:39.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Because 2.3% of the girls, exact same number, in the quote unquote control group that got the injection with an adjuvant also had a of course.

01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:42.639
<v SPEAKER_03>And so they're considered, it's safe, Gardasil is safe.

01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:49.519
<v SPEAKER_03>They're talking about this study where they gave them an adjuvant that causes the exact same thing the vaccine comes.

01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:56.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Because for regulatory purposes, as long as your experimental group and your control group have the same rate of harm, that's deemed safe.

01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:03.679
<v SPEAKER_01>Not safe by any thinking, rational, caring person, but safe from the from a regulatory perspective.

01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:04.960
<v SPEAKER_01>I I'll give you one other example.

01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:07.199
<v SPEAKER_03>And folks, your doctor doesn't know this.

01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:08.800
<v SPEAKER_03>And again, no cut on your doctor.

01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:10.000
<v SPEAKER_03>I'm just saying they don't.

01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:11.679
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, they should they should read my book.

01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:14.559
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, well, no, that's why I said the doctors need to read the book.

01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:16.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Do you want one more example?

01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:16.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Let's do it.

01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:18.400
<v SPEAKER_01>All right, I'll give you one other example.

01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:22.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Pneuma cockle vaccine given at two, four, and six months of age.

01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:23.920
<v SPEAKER_01>So given to infants, okay?

01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:26.719
<v SPEAKER_01>It should be the most thoroughly tested product in the world.

01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:30.880
<v SPEAKER_01>The very first vaccine ever was Prevenar 7 in the United States licensed, okay?

01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:34.159
<v SPEAKER_01>So there was no reason not to have a placebo control group.

01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:37.280
<v SPEAKER_01>Do you know what the control group received instead of a placebo?

01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:39.519
<v SPEAKER_01>I can't make this up, okay?

01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:44.000
<v SPEAKER_01>And and and anybody watching this, I if you don't believe me, I get it.

01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:45.360
<v SPEAKER_01>I totally get it.

01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:47.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Go read chapter seven of my book.

01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:50.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Look at the footnote to the FDA source.

01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:52.800
<v SPEAKER_01>They received another experimental vaccine.

01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:54.800
<v SPEAKER_01>They received an unlicensed product.

01:01:57.039 --> 01:01:59.119
<v SPEAKER_01>It's illegal if the FDA accepts it.

01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:04.079
<v SPEAKER_01>After and that study the problem with the FDA gets worse.

01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:06.239
<v SPEAKER_01>You want to see the Foxgarden House.

01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:07.519
<v SPEAKER_01>It is Foxgarden and the Hen House.

01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:16.239
<v SPEAKER_01>But it gets worse because that then, okay, and that reviewed safety about 30 days, 60 days for, and maybe a little longer for certain other conditions.

01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Then they use Prevenir 7 to license Preven R13.

01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:32.639
<v SPEAKER_01>In that clinical trial, something like 7.2% of the babies within six months developed a serious adverse, had a serious adverse event in the Prevenir 7 group, and 8.00% had a serious adverse event in the Preven R13 group.

01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.840
<v SPEAKER_01>A serious adverse event is something very serious under the FDA definition.

01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:37.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Death, permanent disability, you name it.

01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:39.440
<v SPEAKER_01>These were totally healthy babies.

01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:40.159
<v SPEAKER_01>That's the percentage.

01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:42.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Now, since they're similar, that's safe.

01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:42.719
<v SPEAKER_01>No differential.

01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:44.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Considered safe similar.

01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:52.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Then Prevenar 13 was used as the control to license PCV 15, something called new, it's I'm not gonna try to say the name.

01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:53.760
<v SPEAKER_01>It's a long name, Nucovax.

01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:58.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Anyway, it's called PCV 15 means a 15-valent, went from seven valent, 13, 15 valent.

01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:05.280
<v SPEAKER_01>And in that trial, when you're saying valence, explain that means the number of different uh types of pneumococcal.

01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:08.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh and again, we're we're talking about the flu vaccine.

01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:09.119
<v SPEAKER_03>The pneumococcal vaccine.

01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:10.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Pneumococcal vaccine.

01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:10.559
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:12.159
<v SPEAKER_01>And when you're looking at different strains.

01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:13.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Different strains.

01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:19.280
<v SPEAKER_01>So so now you have the next iteration, and they use Prevenir 13 to license the basically the 15 version.

01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:25.599
<v SPEAKER_01>And in that trial, again, the Prevenor 13 group had like eight something percent, kind of like before.

01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:28.960
<v SPEAKER_01>And the 15 group had nine something percent within six months.

01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:40.719
<v SPEAKER_01>So at every iteration, it's deemed safe because there, and even, you know, you even read the licensure documents, and I quoted in my book, it says, well, there was no imbalance between the groups, hence, deemed safe.

01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:43.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, sure, safe from a regulatory perspective.

01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:44.559
<v SPEAKER_01>And that's to your point.

01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:47.519
<v SPEAKER_01>You said, and you just said to bring it all the way back.

01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:57.039
<v SPEAKER_01>They say it's unethical to deprive a child of Prevenar, you know, 15 of the 15 veil and a Prevenar 20 because it's the standard of care now.

01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:00.639
<v SPEAKER_01>But that product was never affirmed safe down the line.

01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:06.960
<v SPEAKER_01>And the bioethics literature would actually say to you, it is unethical to administer a product that's never been proven safe.

01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:12.400
<v SPEAKER_01>So uh it becomes a catch-22, which is why they won't do that study now.

01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:16.000
<v SPEAKER_01>You can't say these products are safe because you've never done the proper trials.

01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:24.079
<v SPEAKER_01>So the only way to really assess the safety of the schedule is to compare those that have received it to those that have not received it from existing data sets.

01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:41.840
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, and I my brain was on the flu vaccine because I wanted to ask the question of um I if is this just social media stuff, or did Trump really say something like, well, until we really until proven safe and effective, we're not going to release the flu vaccine.

01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:42.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Is is that true?

01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.519
<v SPEAKER_03>Is there controversy over the flu vaccines coming out?

01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:47.519
<v SPEAKER_03>And are they doing something about this?

01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:49.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Because they're not effective.

01:04:49.519 --> 01:05:09.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, I think, I think Marty McCarrie, the head of the FDA, uh and and Viney Prasad, who's running the vaccine division, Seabur at FDA, what they have signaled, I should say, it's probably stronger than a signal, but I'll call it a signal, is that they're not going to accept or they shouldn't accept, and I haven't looked directly at the underlying memo.

01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:11.760
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't know if they made this official policy yet.

01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:19.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Licensing a new version of a COVID or a flu shot that uh based without clinical trial data.

01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:26.079
<v SPEAKER_01>So the way it works now is every season they change the flu vaccine, but they don't do another clinical trial.

01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:33.519
<v SPEAKER_01>They just use the licensure from the, you know, of the vaccine initially, which again, never placebo control.

01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.000
<v SPEAKER_01>I'd go through the whole flu pyramid scheme.

01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:36.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Placebo control.

01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:37.679
<v SPEAKER_01>All right.

01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:39.840
<v SPEAKER_01>And so they're saying, what how do you know?

01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:48.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Like then the most recent iteration of the COVID vaccine is nothing like is is different than the one that was licensed.

01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:51.119
<v SPEAKER_01>And so they're saying, no, you got to give us new clinical trial data.

01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:56.719
<v SPEAKER_01>And and obviously, industry is saying, well, if we have to do that, we'll never be able to because there's not enough time.

01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:02.639
<v SPEAKER_01>If we have to do a trial, and that's I think what they're Saying, well, that means you're going to eliminate the flu shot.

01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:05.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Because if we have to trial it, how can we do that?

01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:06.400
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, that's what was said.

01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:09.280
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, we kind of didn't close the loop on this.

01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:19.519
<v SPEAKER_03>So you said that there's these small studies done on comparing the vaccinated with the unvaccinated, and all of them show that the unvaccinated group was healthier than the vaccinated.

01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:19.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:22.400
<v SPEAKER_03>And better stats all around with chronic diseases.

01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:25.119
<v SPEAKER_01>And the same ones that have exploded in the last 40 years often.

01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:25.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Trevor Burrus, Jr.: The same ones.

01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:29.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Trevor Burrus, then multiple times the rate in almost in this series of studies.

01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:30.320
<v SPEAKER_01>Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Okay.

01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:32.559
<v SPEAKER_03>Those studies were criticized for different reasons, right?

01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:33.440
<v SPEAKER_03>Trevor Burrus, As all studies are.

01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:38.079
<v SPEAKER_03>So now Dell sat in this chair and he told the story.

01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:38.639
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:42.239
<v SPEAKER_03>And you know the story as well, if not better than I.

01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:57.280
<v SPEAKER_03>And he basically challenged one of the top researchers in the world, if you will, from Henry Ford Health Institute, one of the most prestigious research institutions in the world, because that's what needed to be done, right?

01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Meaning we can't just use just anybody to do the study.

01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:06.880
<v SPEAKER_03>He encouraged him to compare the vaccinated with the unvaccinated based on the massive amount of data that Henry Ford has.

01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:13.440
<v SPEAKER_03>And he took it, took the bait, took a couple years, and he does the study.

01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:28.880
<v SPEAKER_03>And I think to his surprise, the unvaccinated group was far healthier to the point where none of these conditions and diseases that have exploded in the last 50 years, almost zero incidents in the unvaccinated group.

01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:32.559
<v SPEAKER_03>And therefore, Dell did something very smart.

01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:33.599
<v SPEAKER_03>They didn't want to publish it.

01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:36.800
<v SPEAKER_03>He didn't want to publish it, saying that this would ruin my reputation.

01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:37.519
<v SPEAKER_03>I'd be done.

01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:39.679
<v SPEAKER_03>We might made a good argument.

01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:44.960
<v SPEAKER_03>So Dell has a hidden camera, which he had to do in this case, and he says the right thing first.

01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.400
<v SPEAKER_03>Is there anything you would have done different in this study?

01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:48.880
<v SPEAKER_03>No.

01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:51.039
<v SPEAKER_03>He said this was a perfect study.

01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:52.639
<v SPEAKER_03>Okay, got that on.

01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:53.840
<v SPEAKER_03>Why won't you publish it?

01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:55.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Because my career would be over.

01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:57.039
<v SPEAKER_03>What's your take on all this?

01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:01.679
<v SPEAKER_03>Because the studies showed six-fold increases in autoimmune.

01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:04.400
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, this is this is bad news for vaccines.

01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:20.000
<v SPEAKER_01>I have seen it over and over and over again that any uh otherwise prestigious institutions or medical professionals, scientists, researchers who dare publish against the orthodoxy on these products.

01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:26.880
<v SPEAKER_01>They're just they're just the the establishment goes after them in a way that is inconceivable, actually.

01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:35.279
<v SPEAKER_01>It really goes they they go after them because it if it is the way that they um uh perpetuate their their model of profit.

01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:40.640
<v SPEAKER_01>You pharma companies don't need to invest in TV ads for their vaccines for the most part.

01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:51.680
<v SPEAKER_01>So where do they put their Marty instead of their budget goes to funding uh medical schools, journals, conventions for doctors, and PR.

01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:53.520
<v SPEAKER_01>That is how they achieve the other thing.

01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:56.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Exactly.

01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:59.199
<v SPEAKER_01>And that is far and lobbying.

01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:01.600
<v SPEAKER_01>That is far cheaper, by the way, than TV commercials.

01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:02.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Sure.

01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:09.439
<v SPEAKER_01>And it and it what it does is it creates what they do is they have trusted intermediaries promote their products.

01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:22.800
<v SPEAKER_01>They have found that is the most effective way to get people to take their products is to have the person that they trust most, whether it's the CDC, their their own personal doctor, sell them, yeah, this is safe and effective.

01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:23.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, okay.

01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:23.600
<v SPEAKER_01>I trust you.

01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:27.439
<v SPEAKER_03>Because the doctors, they're gonna trust the CDC and the experts there.

01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:29.279
<v SPEAKER_03>And uh, you know, they'll they'll say that.

01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:30.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, come on.

01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:32.560
<v SPEAKER_03>I I I mean, I trust what comes out of the CDC.

01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.159
<v SPEAKER_03>I know some of these people personally.

01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:42.479
<v SPEAKER_01>And look, what what uh what was done in terms of comparing vax versus unvax, which you're talking about, this wasn't like it just came out of the blue.

01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:55.840
<v SPEAKER_01>HHS um commissioned the Institute of Medicine, now called the National Academy of Science, which is not in government, but is often paid by government to do reports to review the safety of the entire childhood vaccine schedule.

01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:02.960
<v SPEAKER_01>And what they said is uh we can't find any studies that actually compare vaccinated with unvaccinated kids.

01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:08.479
<v SPEAKER_01>And so they said we can't find studies that show the vaccine schedule is not safe.

01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:09.680
<v SPEAKER_01>That's what they said.

01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:12.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay of course, what does that leave unsaid?

01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:16.079
<v SPEAKER_03>There's no studies or that it's not safe.

01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:18.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, we don't know if it's damaging either.

01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:25.760
<v SPEAKER_01>So what they did say is that you can do that study comparing vaccine to vaccine using something called the vaccine safety data link.

01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:34.399
<v SPEAKER_01>This is a database within the CDC, well, it was in the CDC until 2000, but to get it away from FOIA so nobody could touch it, they put it in the hands of a private institution.

01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:35.359
<v SPEAKER_01>That's a whole different story.

01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:45.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Long story short, they said, yeah, you could use the VSD to do this study because there's probably around, I estimate around 20,000 completely unvaccinated kids in this database sitting there.

01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.920
<v SPEAKER_01>So you can compare the health outcomes of those 20,000 kids to the rest of the kids in the database.

01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:52.960
<v SPEAKER_01>So let's see what it looks like across all ICD 910 codes.

01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:55.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Those are billing codes, as you know, right?

01:10:55.279 --> 01:11:06.319
<v SPEAKER_01>So if you've got pots or you have trans responding, you cut whatever it is, you have asthma, you have whatever it is, uh, and compare them between the two groups.

01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:08.079
<v SPEAKER_01>What did the CDC do?

01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:09.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Did they go do that study?

01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:16.880
<v SPEAKER_01>No, they went and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on commissioned a white paper authored and involved people like Stanley Plocken, right?

01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:20.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, to on how to do the study.

01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:24.159
<v SPEAKER_01>They published the white paper in 2015.

01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:26.319
<v SPEAKER_01>So we're 10 years ago, okay?

01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:28.079
<v SPEAKER_01>It's been 10 years.

01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:30.960
<v SPEAKER_01>They they have never published that study still.

01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:31.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Have they done it?

01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:33.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Don't know.

01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:33.680
<v SPEAKER_01>We don't know.

01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:34.960
<v SPEAKER_01>They haven't published it.

01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:46.000
<v SPEAKER_01>And I the reason I think that they don't publish these studies is that they probably all show, no matter how much you try to fudge them, what the consistent line of vaxxed unvax studies show.

01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:50.479
<v SPEAKER_01>The vaccinated children have multiple rates of various serious chronic health issues.

01:11:50.640 --> 01:12:04.560
<v SPEAKER_01>And if that if those results are actually true to reality, right, which is what they often, well, it's statistically significant and it's repeated, that's often the reality, then you have really upended the benefit of this program.

01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:05.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:14.960
<v SPEAKER_03>So when you look at some of these numbers, um vaccinated versus unvaccinated from this study, it's it's pretty disturbing, actually.

01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:19.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Anyways, but it's two and a half fold increase in autism.

01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:21.760
<v SPEAKER_03>I think it was two fold.

01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:24.079
<v SPEAKER_01>No, it's not it was uh it was two and a half fold.

01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:25.039
<v SPEAKER_01>That's why I was looking for that.

01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:25.760
<v SPEAKER_01>No, no problem.

01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:31.680
<v SPEAKER_01>It was a two and a half fold increase in the composite overall chronic disease.

01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:32.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Oh, if you found it, please.

01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:33.439
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, okay.

01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:45.439
<v SPEAKER_03>So 4.29 times the rate of asthma, uh 3.03 times the rate of autopic disease, 5.9% autism.

01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:46.880
<v SPEAKER_03>So yeah, almost 6%.

01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:48.079
<v SPEAKER_03>I had that one right.

01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:48.560
<v SPEAKER_03>6%.

01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:50.800
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, I'm sorry, I'm of autoimmune.

01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:54.960
<v SPEAKER_03>So 6% increase in autoimmune.

01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:56.640
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, we're talking six times.

01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:00.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, that's amazing.

01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:09.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Four times the rate of speech disorders, uh, 2.4% of any chronic health condition.

01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:19.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Oh, in the unvaccinated, zero cases of diabetes, zero cases of brain dysfunction, zero cases of behavioral dysfunction, and zero cases of ticks.

01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:28.239
<v SPEAKER_01>If that data is reflective of the reality, and you know, this kind of study is the closest you're ever going to get to what the reality is, by the way.

01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:34.960
<v SPEAKER_01>I I institutions around the country should be running to replicate this study, running to replicate the study.

01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:43.520
<v SPEAKER_01>With that said, um, there have been a lot of uh uh, you know, uh claims about uh how this study's got various weaknesses.

01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:52.079
<v SPEAKER_01>I and anybody who finds those online or anybody who thinks there are, I implore you to go to uh an inconvenience study.org and read the response.

01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:56.159
<v SPEAKER_01>It's on the website to, you know, these claims of ascertainment bias and so forth.

01:13:56.319 --> 01:14:02.560
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm not actually sure how you can better design a study to compare vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:03.680
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, he said that.

01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:04.880
<v SPEAKER_03>He said it was perfect.

01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:07.600
<v SPEAKER_03>He said we flipped it everywhere you could flip it.

01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:10.399
<v SPEAKER_01>It's really simple in the following respect.

01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:14.479
<v SPEAKER_01>You you compare children from birth onward, right?

01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:19.760
<v SPEAKER_01>And you follow them for as long as they're enrolled, and then you look at the outcomes between the two groups.

01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:21.600
<v SPEAKER_01>And they had all of their health data.

01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.920
<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, because it's a captive HMO environment.

01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:28.319
<v SPEAKER_01>So they not only provided the um the health care, they provided the insurance.

01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:33.279
<v SPEAKER_01>So if they went out of network, they still had the information of what codes were billed.

01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:40.319
<v SPEAKER_01>So, you know, this same study could be done by Kaiser Permanente, it could be done by Harvard Pilgrim, it could be done by go down the list of institutions.

01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:42.479
<v SPEAKER_03>They won't now because they know.

01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:49.600
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, you know, every time this has been done, it it at least Dell said the statistics are virtually identical.

01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:51.199
<v SPEAKER_01>They're similar across the board.

01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:54.239
<v SPEAKER_01>And that is what's extraordinarily concerning.

01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:58.640
<v SPEAKER_01>If they wanted to shut the quote-unquote anti-vaxxers up, they just publish that study.

01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:02.319
<v SPEAKER_01>I I would be, I will be shocked if they haven't tried to do the study.

01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:03.680
<v SPEAKER_01>And to me, that is the reason.

01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:05.039
<v SPEAKER_03>You're talking about the CDC now.

01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:07.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Again, talking about the CDC, you're talking about institutions.

01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.159
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm talking across the entire medical establishment.

01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:11.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, that's what worries me.

01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:21.600
<v SPEAKER_03>And I think Dell um had that people worried about that, saying, Dell, you're taking a big risk here because they could fudge these numbers and prove their case once and for all, right?

01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:23.600
<v SPEAKER_03>And that's the argument with the CDC.

01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:26.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Come on, they could fudge the numbers and prove their case once and all.

01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:32.880
<v SPEAKER_03>That's why this study, the it's very inconvenient, because they had no reason to fudge the numbers here.

01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:36.239
<v SPEAKER_03>The numbers came out, you know, absolutely not in their favor.

01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:41.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, but if the CDC did a study like this, they could fudge the numbers.

01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:42.079
<v SPEAKER_01>They could.

01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:43.520
<v SPEAKER_01>They certainly could.

01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:51.760
<v SPEAKER_01>But if it's a cohort study and you had an actual unexposed group, it it would be, I think it would be tough.

01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:52.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:55.439
<v SPEAKER_01>If if they did it as a case control, you can muck around a lot more.

01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:57.439
<v SPEAKER_01>And of course you can muck around with a cohort study.

01:15:57.520 --> 01:15:59.439
<v SPEAKER_01>And I hope I'm not boring your audience right now.

01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:02.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, no, I think what they got out of that is But it would be it would be tougher.

01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:03.680
<v SPEAKER_03>You could do it.

01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:04.800
<v SPEAKER_03>You could absolutely fudge it.

01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:05.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Someone could look at it.

01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:07.760
<v SPEAKER_01>You could fudge it, to be sure.

01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:08.640
<v SPEAKER_01>I have no doubt.

01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:10.239
<v SPEAKER_01>But it would be, it would be tougher.

01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:11.199
<v SPEAKER_01>It would be tougher.

01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:18.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Which is why, for example, you know, that aluminum study that just came out of Denmark, they initially had, I don't know if you know about the study I'm talking about.

01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:18.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:20.720
<v SPEAKER_01>They initially had Oh, this was controversial.

01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:24.000
<v SPEAKER_01>They had initially had an unvaccinated group in it.

01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:29.840
<v SPEAKER_01>And then they just they chose, presumably after they designed the study, which you shouldn't do, right?

01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:38.159
<v SPEAKER_01>To fold them into the uh uh the group that got zero to 1.5 or whatever it was, you know, micrograms of aluminum.

01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:41.199
<v SPEAKER_01>So they they eliminated the unvaccinated group.

01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:41.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Why?

01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:42.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Why?

01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:43.439
<v SPEAKER_01>For that reason, right there.

01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:44.319
<v SPEAKER_01>I believe it's that reason.

01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:53.520
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, and and by the way, that when you hear your doctor say, oh no, it's proven that um uh you know vaccines do not cause autism.

01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:56.399
<v SPEAKER_03>That's one of the studies that they're referencing right there, right?

01:16:56.560 --> 01:17:01.199
<v SPEAKER_03>It's like, and again, in the doctor's defense, uh they're reading the abstract at best, right?

01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Or maybe not even, they're just hearing about it, right?

01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:08.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Because they don't have time to dig in and understand what was so corrupt about that study.

01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:44.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Autism is such a great example of how they've never really done the science to confirm vaccines are safe, because I don't I don't know if Dell spoke with you about this, but on behalf of ICANN, we actually FOIA the CEC and we said, hey, can you please give us the studies that show that DTAP doesn't cause autism given at two, four, six months of life, HIB, IPV, PCV, um and um basically the five vaccines given three times each in the first six months of life, because autism can be diagnosed within the first year of life, and surveys show that 40 to 70 percent of parents spending on the survey, they point to those vaccines plus MMRs, the cause of the child's autism.

01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:50.000
<v SPEAKER_01>So you claim vaccines don't cause autism, but please give us the studies that show those vaccines don't cause autism.

01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:51.359
<v SPEAKER_01>They didn't give us any studies, of course.

01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:54.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Sued them in federal court, sued them in federal court.

01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Finally, they gave us a list of 20 studies.

01:17:57.199 --> 01:17:59.760
<v SPEAKER_01>I called the DOJ up because DOJ represents CDC.

01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:07.520
<v SPEAKER_01>I said, Hey, are you sure that your client wants to give us this list as the list of studies?

01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:10.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Because we're gonna put this in a stipulated order signed by the court.

01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:11.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Like this will be a judgment of the court.

01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:13.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Like these are the studies.

01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:20.720
<v SPEAKER_01>I said, because you know, I didn't say this to him, but I wanted to say to him, you know, I could do that thing called reading where I like I read the word after the word.

01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:21.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, yeah.

01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:26.960
<v SPEAKER_01>And and I, but I did say to him, 19 of these, there were it was 16 studies and four reviews.

01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:33.039
<v SPEAKER_01>All 16 studies and three of the reviews had nothing to do with the vaccines we asked about.

01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:38.720
<v SPEAKER_01>They were either MMR or themerosol studies, with themerosol was not in any of these vaccines.

01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:42.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh, and one antigen study that itself says it doesn't affirm the vaccines don't cause autism.

01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:50.880
<v SPEAKER_01>And then the one final review you provided was the Institute of Medicine 2012 that looked at whether pertussis vaccine, DTAP, does not cause autism.

01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:51.680
<v SPEAKER_01>You know what it said?

01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:52.640
<v SPEAKER_01>We can't find any.

01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:53.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh god.

01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:59.920
<v SPEAKER_01>We could find one study that shows an association, but they discounted it because you ready for this?

01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:02.319
<v SPEAKER_01>It had no unvaccinated group in it.

01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:03.520
<v SPEAKER_01>So they threw it out.

01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:09.039
<v SPEAKER_01>So I said, your 20 only has one study relating to the vaccines that I asked about.

01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:12.079
<v SPEAKER_01>And it, and that one study did show an association.

01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:12.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Are you sure?

01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:13.520
<v SPEAKER_01>He's like, yeah.

01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:14.800
<v SPEAKER_01>So he DOJ signed it on before.

01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:19.359
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm like, do you realize what you're doing?

01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:26.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Like, look, this was still in the, we were still in the phase back then of trying to like really get to the bottom of it.

01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:30.000
<v SPEAKER_01>And we really want to leave no stone unturned, you know?

01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:32.560
<v SPEAKER_01>So, you know, gave him that chance.

01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:35.039
<v SPEAKER_01>No, he signed on behalf of the CDC.

01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:38.479
<v SPEAKER_01>I signed behalf of the ICANN, and the judge signed it as an order.

01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:41.279
<v SPEAKER_01>And by the way, I didn't bring this case in deep red Texas.

01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:43.199
<v SPEAKER_01>I brought it in the Southern District of New York.

01:19:43.359 --> 01:19:45.359
<v SPEAKER_01>I brought it in blue New York, right?

01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:49.199
<v SPEAKER_01>I went into the lion's den to bring this lawsuit, right?

01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:53.199
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't want anybody to claim, oh, you got a judge who just bought No, no, no, no.

01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:55.600
<v SPEAKER_01>I went into the Lion's Den and I brought this lawsuit.

01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:56.960
<v SPEAKER_01>And that was the outcome.

01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:00.720
<v SPEAKER_01>After that lawsuit, by the way, we foyered him again for studies.

01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:01.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Still nothing.

01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:02.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:03.119
<v SPEAKER_01>I'll give you one other example.

01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:05.199
<v SPEAKER_01>To have people who have no idea this has gone on.

01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:06.000
<v SPEAKER_01>It's all in the book.

01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:06.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:10.000
<v SPEAKER_01>That is the vaccine injury.

01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:14.239
<v SPEAKER_01>That is the claimed vaccine injury they claim to have studied the most thoroughly of any.

01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:18.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Could you imagine the over 100 serious adverse events?

01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:19.600
<v SPEAKER_01>What the state of the science looks like.

01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:22.960
<v SPEAKER_01>I know what it looks like because I got 20 folks in my firm that just do vaccine injury.

01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:24.159
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't sue manufacturers.

01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:27.359
<v SPEAKER_01>They do in the federal court claims in this little program that's a policy program.

01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:28.800
<v SPEAKER_01>You can't get much compensation.

01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:29.439
<v SPEAKER_01>It's terrible.

01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:30.640
<v SPEAKER_01>That's a different story.

01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:32.079
<v SPEAKER_01>But we need good science.

01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:33.439
<v SPEAKER_01>We have to prove causation.

01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:34.479
<v SPEAKER_01>So we call us over.

01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:39.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, my baby went in and had a grandmal seizure within a few minutes and you know had these sequel.

01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:40.880
<v SPEAKER_01>And we need good clinical trial data.

01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:42.800
<v SPEAKER_01>We need good, I'll give you one other example.

01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:46.000
<v SPEAKER_01>The hepatitis, there's two hepatitis B vaccines given to babies, okay?

01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:48.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Recombat vaccine XB and NRX B.

01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:51.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Recom was licensed in 1986 in the clinical trial.

01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:52.239
<v SPEAKER_01>I can't make this up.

01:20:52.399 --> 01:20:53.439
<v SPEAKER_01>It's so ridiculous.

01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:57.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Again, if anybody can will not believe this when I say it, but it's it's the facts.

01:20:57.520 --> 01:20:59.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Um and you can read in the FDA material, it's all cited in the book.

01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:01.199
<v SPEAKER_01>It's on ICANN's website.

01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:03.600
<v SPEAKER_01>A clinical trial that had no control group.

01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:07.039
<v SPEAKER_01>And even if it had a control group, it only had 157 kids.

01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:10.000
<v SPEAKER_01>And even if it was properly powered, it only monitored safety for five days.

01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:10.399
<v SPEAKER_01>That's it.

01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:14.880
<v SPEAKER_01>147 kids monitored safety for five days after injection, no control group.

01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:16.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Useless to affirm it's safe.

01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:20.000
<v SPEAKER_01>First time I saw that, I was like, it can't not be.

01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:23.119
<v SPEAKER_01>So, like I said, we wanted to get to the truth.

01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:29.680
<v SPEAKER_01>So, and you know, so on behalf of ICANN, we actually FOIA the FDA and we got the underlying clinical trial reports.

01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:30.720
<v SPEAKER_01>That showed five days.

01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:36.720
<v SPEAKER_01>We went to PubMed, the Merck's, you know, uh published study on it, five days.

01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:38.319
<v SPEAKER_01>I even deposed Dr.

01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:43.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Stanley Placken, who's the principal investigator of that trial that licensed it for children.

01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:44.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:47.439
<v SPEAKER_01>And then I subpoenaed him after for more data.

01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:48.239
<v SPEAKER_01>So that's it.

01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:49.439
<v SPEAKER_01>I it's five days.

01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:51.600
<v SPEAKER_01>Like I can't find anything else.

01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:56.720
<v SPEAKER_01>I I have the I have the package insert, I have the underlying control report, we have the published study.

01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:58.560
<v SPEAKER_01>I deposed the principal investigator.

01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:00.479
<v SPEAKER_01>What more do you want me to do to prove this?

01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:03.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Like, so we left no stone unturned.

01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:17.920
<v SPEAKER_01>And that is the the journey that I describe in my book, in that, you know, it's like when I say that to folks, right, uh in in in medicine often, and I'm like, listen, I'm telling you this wasn't affirmed to safe.

01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:19.760
<v SPEAKER_01>They just can't believe it.

01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:23.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Like they're a lot of times, the data is just not persuading them.

01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:25.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Did it shock you?

01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:32.239
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, meaning like when you got into this, did you think, my God, I mean, they have to have studies, they have to have good, I mean, the good evidence.

01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:35.119
<v SPEAKER_03>They have to, I mean, this is vaccines of all things.

01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:36.399
<v SPEAKER_03>Did it blow you away?

01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:37.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Completely.

01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:37.920
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:43.199
<v SPEAKER_01>I I have I was left dumbfounded in the initial years at every turn.

01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:44.560
<v SPEAKER_01>I honestly couldn't believe it.

01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:45.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Like when I took Dr.

01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:49.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Stanley Plotkin's deposition in January of 2018, I had just started into this.

01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:54.159
<v SPEAKER_01>I knew a fraction about vaccines as I that I know today.

01:22:54.560 --> 01:23:00.079
<v SPEAKER_01>And I will tell you, when I went to bed the night before that deposition, I was expecting twists, turns.

01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:01.680
<v SPEAKER_01>I was expecting to be like, Mr.

01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:02.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Siri.

01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:02.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, yeah.

01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:04.000
<v SPEAKER_01>You don't know what you're talking about.

01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:04.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, you looked at that.

01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:09.039
<v SPEAKER_01>You looked at this clinical trial report, but which you don't know.

01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:09.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:11.359
<v SPEAKER_01>None.

01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:12.319
<v SPEAKER_01>None of that.

01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:13.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Nine hours.

01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:16.239
<v SPEAKER_01>And the whole deposition is available on thehighwire.com.

01:23:16.319 --> 01:23:16.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:17.760
<v SPEAKER_01>It's free to anybody to watch.

01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:19.119
<v SPEAKER_01>You can watch all nine hours.

01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:21.439
<v SPEAKER_01>People say, well, I want to see the vaccine debate.

01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:22.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, that's the debate.

01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:22.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Go watch it.

01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:23.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Right there, go watch it.

01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:30.000
<v SPEAKER_01>The World's Leading Vaccinologist, you're talking to just, you know, a knuckle-dragging, drooling lawyer.

01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:30.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:33.359
<v SPEAKER_01>And you can go see for yourself.

01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:35.359
<v SPEAKER_01>And it has been shocking.

01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:55.039
<v SPEAKER_01>I again, I if you said to me, Aaron, come up with the most crazy conspiracy about vaccines, I would never have dreamed to tell you that a vaccine, the first recombinant DNA technology vaccine ever licensed in the ever in America, the first one.

01:23:55.199 --> 01:23:58.399
<v SPEAKER_01>So it's a brand new technology, was licensed.

01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:04.000
<v SPEAKER_01>And the first one ever to be routine administered into children was licensed based on the trial I just described to you.

01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:06.079
<v SPEAKER_01>I would I would never even dream of making that up.

01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:06.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:07.520
<v SPEAKER_03>Because nobody would believe you.

01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:08.399
<v SPEAKER_03>It sounds insane.

01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:08.640
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:09.680
<v SPEAKER_03>It sounds insane.

01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:10.720
<v SPEAKER_03>And they hang their hat on it.

01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:17.439
<v SPEAKER_03>That's why I guarantee any doctor that watches this interview, it's you're going to be forced to change your ideology here.

01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:19.520
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, that's a that's a problem.

01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:20.800
<v SPEAKER_03>That's a problem here.

01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:22.479
<v SPEAKER_03>So, okay, COVID.

01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:23.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Let's get into it.

01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:24.319
<v SPEAKER_03>I don't know what you talk about.

01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:30.800
<v SPEAKER_03>I was just with uh, you know, Malone, and um here's a guy that was rooted in the other side, maybe.

01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:34.560
<v SPEAKER_03>And I I interviewed Peter McCullough here that was rooted in the other side.

01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:40.319
<v SPEAKER_03>And with COVID, you know, I mean, I I think both of them would have said, well, childhood vaccines are good.

01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:41.760
<v SPEAKER_03>This COVID vaccine is bad.

01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:43.359
<v SPEAKER_03>We didn't have enough evidence, you know.

01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:45.840
<v SPEAKER_03>But childhood vaccines, you know, thank God for those.

01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:49.359
<v SPEAKER_03>So they both they both turned their physicians on everything.

01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:51.680
<v SPEAKER_03>But, anyways, talk about the COVID vaccine.

01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:54.079
<v SPEAKER_01>They I think they both started in that place.

01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:56.960
<v SPEAKER_01>And and to their incredible credit.

01:24:57.119 --> 01:24:57.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:03.600
<v SPEAKER_01>To their credit, to their credit, Malone was a vaccine.

01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:05.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh he he worked in the industry to develop vaccines.

01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:07.359
<v SPEAKER_03>I'm going to be interviewing Malone here.

01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:08.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, wonderful.

01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:08.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:10.239
<v SPEAKER_01>And and Dr.

01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:11.520
<v SPEAKER_01>McCullough, Dr.

01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:12.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Malone, Dr.

01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:14.800
<v SPEAKER_01>McCullough also comes from, you know, an orthodoxy.

01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:15.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:23.760
<v SPEAKER_01>And to their credit, they um when they learned what they could not unlearn, their views changed accordingly, as they should.

01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:28.079
<v SPEAKER_01>They had an intellectual reaction to the data, not an emotional one.

01:25:28.479 --> 01:25:32.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, I I just want you to talk about um the COVID vaccine.

01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:40.159
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, uh, you know what's so funny is I I think I don't know, was it Dell that made the point, or maybe I think it was uh Peter um McCullough that made the point.

01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:44.239
<v SPEAKER_03>He said, actually, COVID was more studied than any of the childhood vaccines.

01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:46.560
<v SPEAKER_01>It's like in yet there was no study.

01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:59.920
<v SPEAKER_01>If you're gonna take a vaccine based on how well it was trialed and how much post-lyisature safety literature there is, you should take a COVID vaccine every single day of the week versus any of the routine injected childhood vaccines.

01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:00.800
<v SPEAKER_01>That's what he said.

01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:02.800
<v SPEAKER_01>One, let's do it.

01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:03.359
<v SPEAKER_01>You ready?

01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:10.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Six months of safety review, uh, depending on uh Pfizer or Moderna's 30 or 42,000 people in the trial.

01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:11.920
<v SPEAKER_01>So better powered.

01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:18.720
<v SPEAKER_01>And uh had a placebo control group, actual placebo, as far as we have the underlying clinical documents, it's saline injection.

01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:26.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh now they vaccinated them on average of two months into the trial once they got EUA approval, but at least two months of data, fine, not six months.

01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:29.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, that is far better than any other routine inject trial vaccine.

01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:33.119
<v SPEAKER_01>All right, I'll I'll give you one data point if you want from COVID vaccine.

01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:35.039
<v SPEAKER_01>I find this to be the most interesting one.

01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:37.680
<v SPEAKER_01>So when you do a clinical trial, you know, it's a new product.

01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:39.279
<v SPEAKER_01>You don't know what it's gonna do in the human body.

01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:40.960
<v SPEAKER_01>So you don't want to inject bias.

01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:47.199
<v SPEAKER_01>That's why you do a trial and you do a statistical comparison between those that get the product and those that get a placebo.

01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:55.439
<v SPEAKER_01>So when it came to COVID vaccine, um, they uh um obviously the the most serious adverse effect is death.

01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:56.960
<v SPEAKER_01>You want to avoid deaths, right?

01:26:57.279 --> 01:26:58.000
<v SPEAKER_03>That sounds reasonable.

01:26:58.239 --> 01:26:58.880
<v SPEAKER_01>That sounds reasonable.

01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:03.760
<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, they said two, they say 500,000 people died of COVID in 2020 when there was no vaccine.

01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:08.239
<v SPEAKER_01>By the way, compare that to every other uh disease for which we vaccinated.

01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:11.840
<v SPEAKER_01>And look, and I have a chart in my book, and look how many died the year before the first vaccine.

01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:17.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Often dozens, maybe hundreds, and in the oldest ones, maybe a thousand deaths, right?

01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:20.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Nothing like COVID.

01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:22.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Let's put that interesting point aside.

01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:30.960
<v SPEAKER_01>So they licensed Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine within four months, if you recall from okay.

01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:35.119
<v SPEAKER_01>So we then submitted a FOIA request and we said, hey, FDA, four months.

01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:37.600
<v SPEAKER_01>The public would you're mandating this.

01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:44.000
<v SPEAKER_01>The public is paying for this product, you're giving them immunity liability, and you're paying them for people who can't afford it, right?

01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:51.279
<v SPEAKER_01>So, like, we want the underlying documents that Pfizer gave you that you reviewed and you said to conclude it's safe and effective, right?

01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:55.119
<v SPEAKER_01>The FDA fought us, if you recall, they wanted 75 years.

01:27:55.359 --> 01:27:56.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Do you remember that news story?

01:27:56.720 --> 01:27:59.760
<v SPEAKER_01>They wanted 75 years, which was based, by the way, on a calculation.

01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:01.119
<v SPEAKER_01>450,000 pages.

01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:02.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Turns out the FDA was misleading.

01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:06.159
<v SPEAKER_01>It was 1.8 million pages, which means they didn't want 75 years, they wanted 100 years.

01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:09.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Let's put that aside because they wanted to give it at 500 pages a month.

01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:14.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Once we had all that data, here's what we uncovered about this clinical trial.

01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:21.680
<v SPEAKER_01>When they said this vaccine was 95% effective, okay, what did they base that on?

01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:22.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Death?

01:28:22.640 --> 01:28:22.880
<v SPEAKER_01>No.

01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:24.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Hospitalization?

01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:24.640
<v SPEAKER_01>No.

01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:26.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Sniffles.

01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:29.279
<v SPEAKER_01>They had mostly sniffles.

01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:34.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Eight people in the vaccinated group tested positive for COVID with sniffles.

01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:40.720
<v SPEAKER_01>160-something in the placebo group tested positive for COVID with some sniffles, typically sniffles.

01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:42.479
<v SPEAKER_01>95% affected.

01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:45.279
<v SPEAKER_01>They did as they should a statistical comparison.

01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:49.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Now, in that instance, they probably should have looked under the hood, and I'll tell you why.

01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:52.560
<v SPEAKER_01>This was a period where everybody was getting tested for COVID.

01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:53.439
<v SPEAKER_01>Everybody, remember?

01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:53.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Every day.

01:28:54.479 --> 01:28:56.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Did they do the to those people in the trial?

01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:57.680
<v SPEAKER_01>No, they did not.

01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:00.720
<v SPEAKER_01>There were thousands of other people with sniffles.

01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:05.840
<v SPEAKER_01>How did they choose who to test and be part of that group that became the eight and one sixty?

01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:07.680
<v SPEAKER_01>It's very material.

01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:20.960
<v SPEAKER_01>They should not have license that based on that data because you had until it is completely transparent who got tested, why they got tested.

01:29:21.279 --> 01:29:26.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Was there a bias in testing people more often in the placebo versus the vaccinated group?

01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:30.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Because there were people who weren't blinded, but some of the researchers did know who was in which group.

01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:32.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Highly confounded.

01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:34.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Let's look at the number of deaths.

01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:39.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Now you would expect to be more deaths in which group?

01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:42.640
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, what I would expect is, you know, maybe not.

01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:46.399
<v SPEAKER_03>I would expect there to be more deaths in the vaccinated group as me.

01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:47.760
<v SPEAKER_01>But for licensure purposes.

01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:50.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, for licensure purchases, they would say the unvaccinated.

01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:51.039
<v SPEAKER_01>That's right.

01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:53.199
<v SPEAKER_01>There should be more deaths in the placebo group.

01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:58.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Unlike this weird thing with testing, not testing, who testing.

01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:02.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Deaths binary, as far as I know, you either dead or you're alive, right?

01:30:02.399 --> 01:30:03.680
<v SPEAKER_01>It's like, do you have symptoms?

01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:05.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Do you not binary?

01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:06.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Dead or alive.

01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:07.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:09.760
<v SPEAKER_01>There were 21 deaths in the vaccinated group.

01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:10.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:12.880
<v SPEAKER_01>There were 17 deaths in the placebo group.

01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:14.399
<v SPEAKER_01>21.

01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:18.720
<v SPEAKER_01>And I'm not counting the deaths that happened after the they vaccinated the placebo group.

01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:20.319
<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, I'm not talking about the crossover deaths.

01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:23.039
<v SPEAKER_01>And most likely it was myocarditis or some heart at heart.

01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:33.920
<v SPEAKER_01>There was almost double the rate, when you look at the underlying causes, there was almost double the rate of deaths from cardiovascular issues in the vaccinated versus the placebo group.

01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:40.640
<v SPEAKER_01>But 21 to 17, now I can tell you definitively then that COVID appears, the vaccine didn't produce deaths.

01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:40.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:43.039
<v SPEAKER_01>And in fact, now here's the thing.

01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:44.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Again, it's a clinical trial.

01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:46.000
<v SPEAKER_01>They should do a statistical comparison.

01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:49.199
<v SPEAKER_01>And if you did that, it should be the end of the product.

01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:50.560
<v SPEAKER_01>They should have never launched it.

01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:52.079
<v SPEAKER_01>But what did they let Pfizer do?

01:30:52.319 --> 01:30:56.399
<v SPEAKER_01>In that instance, because the data didn't fit the orthodoxy, they let them look under the hood.

01:30:56.560 --> 01:31:01.039
<v SPEAKER_01>They let Pfizer explain away every single death as unrelated.

01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:03.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Inject their bias.

01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:03.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Wow.

01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:06.880
<v SPEAKER_01>So they tell you trust the science, whatever the heck that means.

01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:07.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Trust the science.

01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:09.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Trust the data.

01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:11.119
<v SPEAKER_01>We did a clinical trial.

01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:13.039
<v SPEAKER_01>That's the best evidence you have.

01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:15.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, I just told you what I just showed you with the best evidence they have.

01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:16.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, exactly.

01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:28.399
<v SPEAKER_01>And by the way, those deaths, if you look after licensure, and you know, you look at the data that reflects that there the vaccines might have increased deaths, it does seem to correlate with what happened in the study.

01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:39.199
<v SPEAKER_01>In 2021, when they vaccinated almost the whole country, okay, um, and um, and there was widespread immunity, whether they had it already, right?

01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:43.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Or and or they had COVID vaccine or they had natural immunity.

01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:46.640
<v SPEAKER_01>And presumably the most frail among us passed away in 2020.

01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:48.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Did all cause mortality go down?

01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:50.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Do you know that it went up?

01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:51.039
<v SPEAKER_01>It went up.

01:31:51.199 --> 01:31:51.680
<v SPEAKER_01>It went up.

01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:52.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:31:52.159 --> 01:31:52.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Why?

01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:53.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Hmm.

01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:54.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Go figure.

01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:55.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Go figure.

01:31:55.199 --> 01:31:55.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:31:55.439 --> 01:31:55.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:58.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Could be the solution, or at least what they thought was the solution.

01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:00.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Can't fudge that number.

01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:00.319
<v SPEAKER_01>No.

01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:01.520
<v SPEAKER_03>Again, that's an all-cause number.

01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:02.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, can't fudge that number.

01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:04.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Meaning it accounts for all deaths.

01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:04.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:07.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, I mean, turning looking back now, it didn't even prevent spread.

01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:09.680
<v SPEAKER_03>It didn't, I mean, everything they told us.

01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:16.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Oh, you have to get vaccinated because, you know, again, you're worried you should be worried about your neighbor that's more sick.

01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:17.840
<v SPEAKER_03>So you need to get vaccinated.

01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:22.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Didn't prevent spread, didn't even at the end prevent symptoms.

01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:23.600
<v SPEAKER_03>I don't, did it take sniffles away?

01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:25.600
<v SPEAKER_03>I didn't even know sniffles was a medical term.

01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:27.119
<v SPEAKER_03>That's my term.

01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:28.159
<v SPEAKER_01>It's not a medical term.

01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:29.359
<v SPEAKER_03>But anyway.

01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:32.720
<v SPEAKER_03>But yeah, whatever they called it, actually.

01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:33.279
<v SPEAKER_03>I saw it.

01:32:34.079 --> 01:32:34.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Mild symptoms.

01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:35.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, yeah.

01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:36.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Mildred.

01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:37.439
<v SPEAKER_03>Mild symptomaticals.

01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:37.680
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:41.119
<v SPEAKER_03>But anyway, I mean, as it turned out, I mean, the whole thing was a farce.

01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:41.760
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, really.

01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:44.720
<v SPEAKER_03>And it's leading to there, wasn't there a study done?

01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:53.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, was it a Switzerland study that showed a 30 some percent increase in you know heart failure, myocarditis, et cetera?

01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:55.520
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, they had to stop the study.

01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:57.920
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, this is this thing's been a complete failure.

01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:00.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, it's not been a failure from the perspective of pharmaceutical profits.

01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:01.600
<v SPEAKER_03>No, yeah, yeah.

01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:03.039
<v SPEAKER_03>I should correction.

01:33:03.359 --> 01:33:07.279
<v SPEAKER_01>And and and and from the perspective of industry so far, it's been a wild success.

01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:14.479
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, I'm I I'm speaking of the failure for the the public, you know, that there was such a fuss that everyone should get this and look what happened.

01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:21.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, well, yeah, that's that's an externality that's how will it change, you know, as a litigator?

01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:24.239
<v SPEAKER_03>It's how will this change the next one?

01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:26.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Because there's gonna be a next one.

01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:31.279
<v SPEAKER_03>There's gonna be a next virus, there's gonna be a next pandemic, and there's gonna be a next solution.

01:33:31.439 --> 01:33:32.880
<v SPEAKER_03>How is it gonna change?

01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:33.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Smiley.

01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:36.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Is it's not gonna change anything?

01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:38.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, uh, here's my view of that.

01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:44.399
<v SPEAKER_01>And then and uh and it will bring it'll hone in on what it is we focus in in terms of our policy work.

01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:47.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Are you gonna repeal the 1986 Act or the PrEP Act?

01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:49.279
<v SPEAKER_01>There are thousands, over a thousand pharmacologics.

01:33:49.600 --> 01:33:52.000
<v SPEAKER_01>The 1986 Act means that you can't be sued.

01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:52.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

01:33:52.479 --> 01:34:02.640
<v SPEAKER_01>That the pharma companies have immunity liability for the injuries, which we, as we talked about earlier, removes their mark the their their economic incentive to make safe vaccines before and after licensure.

01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:11.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Vaccines will not never self-correct childhood vaccines that have immunity will never self-correct based on market forces to for with regards to safety issues.

01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:17.520
<v SPEAKER_01>To get rid of that, you the primary way you'd have to do is you'll have to repeal the 1986 Act.

01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:18.960
<v SPEAKER_01>There are over a thousand pharma lobbyists.

01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:21.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Do you know how many vaccine injury lobbyists there are?

01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:22.720
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm not aware of any.

01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:26.159
<v SPEAKER_01>So, okay, so you're not gonna get that.

01:34:26.239 --> 01:34:30.079
<v SPEAKER_01>So fine, you're not gonna repeal, you're not so market forces aren't gonna correct the issue.

01:34:30.319 --> 01:34:32.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh how about government?

01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:32.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh, okay.

01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:35.439
<v SPEAKER_01>Bobby's, well, Bobby's doing everything he can, I believe.

01:34:35.600 --> 01:34:41.520
<v SPEAKER_01>I believe, but he's got six, you know, now 60, over 65,000 career entrenched employees within the agencies.

01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:46.640
<v SPEAKER_01>The closer are the vaccine issue, the more zealous they are, I know, from litigating and tracking with them over a decade.

01:34:46.880 --> 01:34:48.560
<v SPEAKER_01>So are you gonna change government?

01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:50.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Are you gonna fix that apparatus?

01:34:51.119 --> 01:34:51.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Tough.

01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:54.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Are you gonna make pharma do better clinical trials?

01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:54.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Tough.

01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:56.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Are you gonna make the data more transparent?

01:34:56.720 --> 01:34:58.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Are you gonna make them do it well?

01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:02.319
<v SPEAKER_01>What is the last line in this cabal of issues, in my view?

01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:05.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, so is it gonna get better in those different scores?

01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:05.760
<v SPEAKER_01>I hope.

01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:06.319
<v SPEAKER_01>I sure hope.

01:35:06.399 --> 01:35:08.399
<v SPEAKER_01>I hope the 86 act gets uh repealed.

01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:10.319
<v SPEAKER_01>I hope proper clinical trials get done.

01:35:10.399 --> 01:35:12.720
<v SPEAKER_01>I hope post-licensure safety gets done properly.

01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:17.600
<v SPEAKER_01>I hope our FDA stops acting like a regulator and not like a pom-pom cheerleader of these products.

01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:19.600
<v SPEAKER_01>I hope this is the same of the CDC.

01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:21.039
<v SPEAKER_01>I hope for a lot of things.

01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:23.920
<v SPEAKER_01>I also am wishing for some of the things for the holidays, okay?

01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Sending my note up mode up north, maybe, right?

01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:33.600
<v SPEAKER_01>Sure, you can go wish, but um, at the end of this train of horribles, okay, the very last line is what?

01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:37.680
<v SPEAKER_01>It's the ability to say no without any penalty.

01:35:38.399 --> 01:35:56.479
<v SPEAKER_01>And that means without being penalized for saying no, being kicked out of school, you need to go down the list, which is why we fight for what we do, which is the right for the individual, the individual and civil right of everybody to say no without penalty to getting these products.

01:35:56.640 --> 01:35:57.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Again, this is America.

01:35:58.079 --> 01:35:59.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Is it going to get them?

01:35:59.199 --> 01:35:59.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Get them.

01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:01.039
<v SPEAKER_03>But what is your hope that that would happen?

01:36:01.199 --> 01:36:11.119
<v SPEAKER_03>By the way, this is where we started this conversation because I made the point earlier that the reason they say, oh, you can't say no is because of the sake of the populace, right?

01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:13.359
<v SPEAKER_03>It's to protect humanity from all the people.

01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:14.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Get the vaccines if you want.

01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:23.680
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, but again, you know, we proved otherwise here with the the numbers show differently or the the science shows differently that it doesn't prevent spread, but that's what they say, right?

01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:29.680
<v SPEAKER_03>You have to we mandate it because we're protecting all of humanity, utilitarian view from the ground up.

01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:33.439
<v SPEAKER_03>Okay, we already proved we look if you missed the beginning, that's what we talked about, right?

01:36:33.680 --> 01:36:35.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Okay, but what is your stance?

01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:36.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Is this getting to happen?

01:36:36.399 --> 01:36:42.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Is there a chance that I mean, like lasting would it have even beyond this next administration?

01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:43.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Look at Florida.

01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:43.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:45.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Most mandates are at the state level.

01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:46.800
<v SPEAKER_01>We beat most of the federal ones.

01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:47.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:48.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Remember the OSHA requirement?

01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:49.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Gone.

01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:50.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Remember the mask mandate a plane?

01:36:51.199 --> 01:36:51.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Gone.

01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:51.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:54.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Not and not gone because they were nice about it.

01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:57.119
<v SPEAKER_01>No, we beat them in court to take those things down.

01:36:57.199 --> 01:37:00.720
<v SPEAKER_01>And I and in some cases, our firm brought the case, some firm other firms are at the case.

01:37:01.039 --> 01:37:04.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Right now, I think all but four states, you have a right to say no, correct?

01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:05.520
<v SPEAKER_03>Am I wrong?

01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:06.399
<v SPEAKER_01>That's right.

01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:06.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:09.119
<v SPEAKER_01>You know, people say, well, it've been mandates forever.

01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:11.760
<v SPEAKER_01>That's not true in the following sense.

01:37:12.079 --> 01:37:17.680
<v SPEAKER_01>My view of it is if you have a mandate, but you have checked the box exemption, it's a mandate, no mandate.

01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:19.039
<v SPEAKER_01>You could just check the box.

01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:19.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:25.920
<v SPEAKER_01>And so that's been true for 48 states for most for for virtually forever.

01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:30.720
<v SPEAKER_01>The only two states that didn't have an exemption were was Little West Virginia and Little Mississippi.

01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:32.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, I just mean geographically smaller.

01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:33.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:37.039
<v SPEAKER_01>And so you could kind of live over the border, you could do some other stuff there.

01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:44.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, it was only until very recently California in about 2015 repealed their non-medical exemption.

01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:49.840
<v SPEAKER_01>That's really the the the genesis of actual mandates.

01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:54.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Where, you know, if you're living in LA, you can't like send your kid across the border in Arizona.

01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:55.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

01:37:56.000 --> 01:38:00.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, um, so you know, and they kicked out tens of thousands of families when they repealed it.

01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:05.359
<v SPEAKER_01>So, yes, Cali, New York, Connecticut, and Maine are the only states that really remain.

01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:09.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh we bring a federal lawsuit in Mississippi that restored the religious exemption.

01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:13.600
<v SPEAKER_01>And uh we we did get an uh a statewide injunction in West Virginia.

01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:14.479
<v SPEAKER_01>It was just state.

01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:16.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, but right now you need a religious exemption.

01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:18.319
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, can't you just say no?

01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:24.960
<v SPEAKER_01>In about, I think it's about 18, 17, 18 states, you can get a philosophical essentially exemption.

01:38:25.439 --> 01:38:26.960
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't disagree.

01:38:27.439 --> 01:38:31.760
<v SPEAKER_01>You should be able to just say no because I looked at the package in and I'm like, no.

01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:38.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Or I'm like, hey, if the company won't stand behind it, um, you know, and be how viable for it's safe, I'm not gonna do it.

01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:47.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Imagine going to a car dealer and say, and the you're like, Yeah, I mean, you know, I it's just like, again, I even if you have heart disease, you have a right to say no to whatever medication, right?

01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:48.640
<v SPEAKER_03>You have a right to say no.

01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:51.600
<v SPEAKER_03>I, you know, I think it needs to be this with vaccines.

01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:52.960
<v SPEAKER_03>And again, why isn't it?

01:38:53.119 --> 01:39:02.479
<v SPEAKER_03>It's well, we already discussed why it's not, because you're potentially a danger to others, and we have to stand up for children and you know, all of these straw men that they hold up.

01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:07.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, most provinces in Canada, Australia don't have any mandate.

01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:07.600
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

01:39:07.760 --> 01:39:08.399
<v SPEAKER_01>They don't have any mandate.

01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:12.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, so I mean, when I asked the question, that's what I really was asking.

01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:14.560
<v SPEAKER_03>Is that is there a future where there's no mandate?

01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:15.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

01:39:15.279 --> 01:39:17.359
<v SPEAKER_01>I think actually we will get there.

01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:18.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Florida is doing it right now.

01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:19.279
<v SPEAKER_01>You heard that.

01:39:19.359 --> 01:39:19.520
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:20.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Florida's eliminating all mandates.

01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:22.000
<v SPEAKER_01>That doesn't mean you won't get them.

01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:23.439
<v SPEAKER_01>It doesn't mean the insurance won't cover them.

01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:25.039
<v SPEAKER_01>It doesn't mean the federal government won't pay for them.

01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:27.439
<v SPEAKER_01>It doesn't mean the government won't promote them.

01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:34.000
<v SPEAKER_01>It just means you have you as the parent get the final say, period, without the the incredible force of coercion.

01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:35.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Just persuade on the merits.

01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:37.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Persuade on the merits.

01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:44.640
<v SPEAKER_01>America was founded as a rebellion against the idea that some other central authority, king dictator, should decide what you should do with your life.

01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:52.720
<v SPEAKER_01>It's the idea we have enalable individual and civil rights, and that the government should, as to the maximum extent possible, should not infringe on those rights.

01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:53.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Rights come with dangers.

01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:59.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, listen, I've never agreed with Whippy Goldberg more than I have what she said recently.

01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:00.079
<v SPEAKER_03>And you know what she said?

01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:02.640
<v SPEAKER_03>Whoopi, I agree with you a thousandfold here.

01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:07.920
<v SPEAKER_03>She said, I am not going to take any vaccine that you know Robert Kennedy Jr.

01:40:08.079 --> 01:40:08.640
<v SPEAKER_03>tells me to take.

01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:11.199
<v SPEAKER_03>And I'm like, dang it, I agree with her.

01:40:11.279 --> 01:40:12.479
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, because that's what we want.

01:40:12.640 --> 01:40:17.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Whoopi, we don't want to take a vaccine just because some politician tells us to take a vaccine.

01:40:17.840 --> 01:40:22.079
<v SPEAKER_03>So I wonder if she's like stepped back and realized what she said when she said that.

01:40:22.479 --> 01:40:24.800
<v SPEAKER_00>Bobby should come out tomorrow and tell her to take all vaccines.

01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:25.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:32.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, in any event, uh you know what else folks like that will often say to you, we need to depoliticize vaccines.

01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:33.920
<v SPEAKER_01>It should be purely a medical issue.

01:40:34.239 --> 01:40:35.439
<v SPEAKER_01>I agree.

01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:36.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Agree.

01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:36.880
<v SPEAKER_01>I agree.

01:40:37.039 --> 01:40:37.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:38.640
<v SPEAKER_01>You know what makes them political?

01:40:38.800 --> 01:40:38.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:40.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Mandating them.

01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:40.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:41.600
<v SPEAKER_01>That's what makes us political.

01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:44.319
<v SPEAKER_01>You know what makes the safety and efficacy political?

01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:54.560
<v SPEAKER_01>When you say we can we should mandate them because they're safe and effective, you just have made the safety and efficacy a political and a legal issue, not just a medical issue.

01:40:54.720 --> 01:40:59.520
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't litigate statins when it comes to individual and civil rights because nobody's making you take a statin.

01:40:59.600 --> 01:41:00.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, exactly.

01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:01.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Put me out of business.

01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:01.920
<v SPEAKER_01>You want to put me out of business?

01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:02.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Give her a mandate.

01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:05.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, I hate business, but I'm glad you have a right to take one.

01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:05.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Exactly.

01:41:06.079 --> 01:41:06.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:09.439
<v SPEAKER_01>I just, I'm not trying to pick up statins, but that's the idea.

01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:20.800
<v SPEAKER_01>So I do think we're gonna get there because your body, your, the, your, the child and your children's bodies for everybody out there, that is the scaffold, the commodity, if you will, on which pharma makes their profits.

01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:28.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Pharma and the whole health establishment below it, the more they can control what you inject, ingest, and put on your body, the more money they can make.

01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:38.560
<v SPEAKER_01>It takes less money to get the legislature for them to lobby to require you to take X medical product than they do to try to convince you to do it through advertisement and learned intermediaries.

01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:39.920
<v SPEAKER_01>And so, and they're very smart.

01:41:40.079 --> 01:41:43.279
<v SPEAKER_01>First, they just require it preschool, middle school, high school, then college.

01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:49.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, then just nurses, oh, then just all doctors, just the flu shot, then this shot, oh, just preschool teachers.

01:41:49.279 --> 01:41:50.640
<v SPEAKER_01>And they expanded slowly.

01:41:51.039 --> 01:41:58.720
<v SPEAKER_03>We're getting somewhere between uh 78 to 91 vaccines, uh, kids like all through the ages.

01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:00.239
<v SPEAKER_03>That's an insane number.

01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:03.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, we're well with COVID, we are we are well north of 90.

01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:04.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:42:04.319 --> 01:42:04.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Absolutely.

01:42:05.520 --> 01:42:08.479
<v SPEAKER_01>And and and remember, you know how many I got as a kid?

01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:08.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Three.

01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:18.319
<v SPEAKER_03>And I think my dad didn't even send me back because he came from this Italian old philosophy if you don't need that, and I cried, and I think I got like one thing and then everyone back for the others.

01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:23.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, not only did you only get three, most likely, you only there was only one dose of MMR, not two back then.

01:42:24.159 --> 01:42:27.920
<v SPEAKER_01>You did there's now up to six shots of pretusitating vaccines, okay?

01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:30.880
<v SPEAKER_01>And you probably got OPV, which uh you know is given.

01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:36.560
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, let me remember how many autistic children we had and kids with asthma and inhalers and peanut allergies.

01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:37.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh uh, zero.

01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:38.560
<v SPEAKER_01>I so I do.

01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:42.319
<v SPEAKER_01>I do think we're gonna get to a place because they are they can't help themselves.

01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:43.359
<v SPEAKER_01>They're overreaching.

01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:45.760
<v SPEAKER_01>COVID was one over a great example.

01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:46.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, they screwed up.

01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:48.319
<v SPEAKER_01>And they're not stopping.

01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:50.000
<v SPEAKER_03>They didn't learn their lesson.

01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:51.199
<v SPEAKER_03>No, they can't stop.

01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:53.039
<v SPEAKER_03>This is business to you the point.

01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:54.159
<v SPEAKER_03>It's not conspiracy.

01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:55.680
<v SPEAKER_03>This is business, this is numbers.

01:42:55.840 --> 01:42:58.319
<v SPEAKER_03>So it brings me back to the question you never answered yet.

01:42:58.479 --> 01:42:58.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Oh, I'm sorry.

01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:00.079
<v SPEAKER_03>They are, it's okay.

01:43:00.640 --> 01:43:06.319
<v SPEAKER_03>You and I are just like, my brain, and I could I could sit here for hours, honestly, because you're such a wealth of knowledge.

01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:07.279
<v SPEAKER_03>But what are they?

01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:09.039
<v SPEAKER_03>They're not going to go away.

01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:11.600
<v SPEAKER_03>They're they're they're sitting in boardrooms right now.

01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:12.960
<v SPEAKER_03>What's their plan, Aaron?

01:43:13.039 --> 01:43:14.000
<v SPEAKER_03>You're a good attorney.

01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:16.800
<v SPEAKER_03>And as my client, if you will, you and Bobby.

01:43:17.279 --> 01:43:18.399
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, no, not no, no, no.

01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:21.760
<v SPEAKER_03>I'm talking about what is the pharmacy, big pharma's plan?

01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:22.880
<v SPEAKER_03>How are they gonna stop this?

01:43:23.039 --> 01:43:24.000
<v SPEAKER_03>They have to stop Bobby.

01:43:24.079 --> 01:43:24.880
<v SPEAKER_03>They have to stop this.

01:43:25.039 --> 01:43:26.319
<v SPEAKER_03>This is their cash cow.

01:43:26.479 --> 01:43:27.199
<v SPEAKER_03>This is business.

01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:30.640
<v SPEAKER_03>If I'm a shareholder, um why are our profits plummeting?

01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:37.840
<v SPEAKER_03>Because if this capital, what all they're doing, Bobby, you know, and the administration right now is doing, it is gonna crush profits.

01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:39.439
<v SPEAKER_03>That is not going to go well.

01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:41.439
<v SPEAKER_03>What are they going to do to stop this?

01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:43.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, they um as a good attorney.

01:43:43.600 --> 01:43:44.640
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm not so an idea.

01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:48.079
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't know if they're as concerned as you seem to think they are.

01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:48.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Really?

01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:49.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, really?

01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:50.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

01:43:50.479 --> 01:43:51.279
<v SPEAKER_01>And I will tell you why.

01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:51.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Wow.

01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:55.840
<v SPEAKER_03>See, okay, that's the first thing you said that actually shocks and stuns me.

01:43:56.000 --> 01:43:58.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Because I they have to be concerned.

01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:00.000
<v SPEAKER_03>That's why I'm looking for bullets.

01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:06.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, well, they are concerned, but I don't think to the degree to which I hear in your voice, and I'll tell you why.

01:44:07.039 --> 01:44:09.760
<v SPEAKER_01>They still have a stranglehold on the journals.

01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:10.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:13.520
<v SPEAKER_01>You say a science often means the peer-reviewed literature.

01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:15.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, but didn't they lose and this losing the public?

01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:24.319
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, the public's quite I average people are coming up to me, Aaron, and going, like, wow, you know, I mean, they're here, or they you think that they'll sway them back.

01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:26.880
<v SPEAKER_01>I uh um I there well, okay.

01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:28.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Let me see, let me get to the end of it.

01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:36.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, all right, which is they still have the legacy media and they still will get the legacy media parrot all the nonsense that they want.

01:44:37.039 --> 01:44:39.680
<v SPEAKER_01>They have CNN, they have all the but this is CNN C.

01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:41.359
<v SPEAKER_01>See, that's the thing.

01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:48.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Now, if they are at a point where they think that that is a problem, meaning that's not enough, then I do agree.

01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:50.880
<v SPEAKER_01>They will be probably getting very concerned.

01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:55.840
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, but that legacy media is before this administration, they had social media.

01:44:56.000 --> 01:44:58.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Now, I couldn't even say the word vaccine.

01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:01.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Okay, we that's where jab came from, vax, right?

01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:04.159
<v SPEAKER_03>We had code words because robots would take things.

01:45:04.479 --> 01:45:06.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, that we are how we couldn't even mention.

01:45:06.640 --> 01:45:07.279
<v SPEAKER_03>That which we shall not say.

01:45:07.520 --> 01:45:09.279
<v SPEAKER_03>And now it's like I talk about vaccines.

01:45:09.439 --> 01:45:16.159
<v SPEAKER_03>It's like because, you know, when Zuckerberg went to Trump, I mean, I don't know what was said in that meeting, but something like this, no more.

01:45:16.319 --> 01:45:17.760
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, free speech.

01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:21.680
<v SPEAKER_03>And he wants Trump's favor, and not just him, but all the social media.

01:45:21.760 --> 01:45:22.640
<v SPEAKER_03>So we're free right now.

01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:25.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, I think it's X that that that forced their hands.

01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:26.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe in large part.

01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:27.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Trump too.

01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:27.600
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:29.119
<v SPEAKER_01>But X forced their hands.

01:45:29.439 --> 01:45:35.039
<v SPEAKER_03>So, I mean, so my point of saying that is that they're they're losing the Joe Rogan.

01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:42.159
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, all these the young generation, they're seeing and hearing that vaccine, there's another side to the story.

01:45:42.239 --> 01:45:43.680
<v SPEAKER_03>They're losing their holy grail.

01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:45.039
<v SPEAKER_03>The cash cow could go.

01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:47.840
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, I that's why I'm saying they're they're nervous.

01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:50.000
<v SPEAKER_03>And you're asking, what are they gonna do?

01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:52.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, I'm I'm thinking, like, yeah, I mean, here's their next enderon.

01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:53.680
<v SPEAKER_03>This is what they're gonna do.

01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:57.119
<v SPEAKER_03>I'm thinking, I thought you would be like, yeah, here they must be planning that.

01:45:57.359 --> 01:46:00.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, first of all, if I did have a sense of what their strategy is, I wouldn't discuss it.

01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:01.359
<v unknown>Yeah.

01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:04.319
<v SPEAKER_01>And if I did have a plan on how to deal with it, I wouldn't be talking about it.

01:46:04.560 --> 01:46:05.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Maybe that's the whole thing.

01:46:05.359 --> 01:46:08.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Maybe he actually knows and he's just not, he doesn't want to say it.

01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:09.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, I that's not something I would discuss.

01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:11.680
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't talk about litigation strategy.

01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:14.560
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't talk about strategy in that regard either, obviously.

01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:14.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:16.319
<v SPEAKER_01>You know, that's one of the things I love about ICANN.

01:46:16.399 --> 01:46:19.920
<v SPEAKER_01>They tell often publicize lawsuits that we bring only after we win.

01:46:20.079 --> 01:46:20.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:46:20.399 --> 01:46:20.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:23.920
<v SPEAKER_01>So um, there are a lot of strategic considerations.

01:46:24.319 --> 01:46:37.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, but I would say they are still engaging in a lot of their old playbook, which is, you know, they're ramping up the learned intermediaries, but they're and they're ratcheting up their um their rhetoric.

01:46:37.359 --> 01:46:38.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Look at the AAP.

01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:44.319
<v SPEAKER_01>AAP literally put out a statement recently saying that every state should eliminate non-medical exemptions.

01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:46.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Every state should eliminate it.

01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:49.760
<v SPEAKER_01>On the heels of that, Florida goes, we're getting rid of all yeah.

01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:51.520
<v SPEAKER_01>They're over, I'm telling you, they're overreaching.

01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:52.960
<v SPEAKER_01>It'll be their own undoing.

01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:54.560
<v SPEAKER_01>And, you know, I hope they keep going.

01:46:54.720 --> 01:47:02.479
<v SPEAKER_03>In some ways, it's kind of if I was sitting on the board or had any say, yes, my thing would be like, do the study.

01:47:02.800 --> 01:47:03.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Do it.

01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:06.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Meaning we need to hang our hat on something to show them.

01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:11.359
<v SPEAKER_03>We did the study from the CDC, and this is what it found.

01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:12.960
<v SPEAKER_03>I'd be telling them to do the study.

01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:14.640
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, they can't do the have this well.

01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:21.439
<v SPEAKER_03>See, is anyone be in the room like, um, yeah, we can't do the study because it's gonna show the opposite.

01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:27.920
<v SPEAKER_03>And then, you know, and if this is a closed boardroom, you know, it would be said, do it anyway.

01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:31.520
<v SPEAKER_03>Meaning figure it out.

01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:33.920
<v SPEAKER_03>That was, you know, that's kind of the sim, you know.

01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Remember the uh what was the thing in um Atlanta?

01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:37.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Simpson Wood?

01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:38.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Simpsonwood, yeah.

01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:39.520
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, it's kind of what was said there.

01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:40.720
<v SPEAKER_01>So that's what you think they would do.

01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:42.000
<v SPEAKER_01>What else do you think they would do?

01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:43.520
<v SPEAKER_03>He wants ideas.

01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:48.159
<v SPEAKER_01>No, I'm um no, because it sounds it seems to be like you have thoughts on what they other than the bullets.

01:47:48.399 --> 01:47:52.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, yeah, because I'm you know, I I'm no attorney, but you know, I'm sitting here looking if I were the other side.

01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:54.239
<v SPEAKER_03>I I do play that game.

01:47:54.319 --> 01:47:58.479
<v SPEAKER_03>And if I were the other side, I think that they have to do something.

01:47:58.640 --> 01:48:00.960
<v SPEAKER_03>I think that they have to, I mean, yeah, you're right.

01:48:01.039 --> 01:48:12.479
<v SPEAKER_03>They could throw billions and they still will at the universities, you know, they will do all of the things at work, they will get all of the people that doctors look to and say, wow, he knows.

01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:19.199
<v SPEAKER_03>But I think those people are going to say, we want something to say, look, we did the better study.

01:48:19.359 --> 01:48:20.399
<v SPEAKER_03>And here's what we found.

01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:21.119
<v SPEAKER_03>That's what I think.

01:48:21.439 --> 01:48:22.560
<v SPEAKER_01>It's not been their tactic.

01:48:22.640 --> 01:48:24.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, but I think they need a new tactic.

01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:30.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, I mean, their tactics are typically to delegitimize, dehumanize, um, they're gonna do that.

01:48:31.359 --> 01:48:32.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, yeah, they're gonna do that.

01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:33.520
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm not throwing that up.

01:48:34.159 --> 01:48:35.359
<v SPEAKER_03>They're gonna continue to do that.

01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:35.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:48:36.800 --> 01:48:37.600
<v SPEAKER_03>And maybe it's enough.

01:48:37.760 --> 01:48:38.159
<v SPEAKER_03>I I don't know.

01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:45.520
<v SPEAKER_03>Maybe their tactic would be, and you asked me the question, maybe it's to, you know, to scare those even more.

01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:52.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Meaning if you go against this, we're gonna make it really hard on you pediatricians.

01:48:52.079 --> 01:48:58.640
<v SPEAKER_03>We're gonna make it really hard on you doctors, we're gonna make it really hard in some way, you know, meaning we're gonna make your life hard.

01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:05.119
<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, with the discredit you, the way they go after went after McCullough and Malone, which why I give them so much credit.

01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:10.720
<v SPEAKER_01>The way they went after them, the way they went after everybody, many of the ACP members, right?

01:49:10.800 --> 01:49:13.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, and particularly the doctors, right?

01:49:13.279 --> 01:49:15.119
<v SPEAKER_01>They are trying to create a chilling effect.

01:49:15.279 --> 01:49:20.159
<v SPEAKER_01>The way you know, did you see the very objective coverage of my ACIP presentation of a few days ago?

01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:21.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, very objective.

01:49:21.359 --> 01:49:22.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Very objective, huh?

01:49:22.239 --> 01:49:22.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Very objective.

01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:25.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, they're trying to create a chilling effect.

01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:30.479
<v SPEAKER_01>It's really intended to make, hey, you saw what we did to that dude?

01:49:30.640 --> 01:49:31.359
<v SPEAKER_01>You don't want to be that.

01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:32.000
<v SPEAKER_01>That's what I'm saying.

01:49:32.159 --> 01:49:35.279
<v SPEAKER_01>You don't want to be that, but that's but that's the that's the old playbook.

01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:36.159
<v SPEAKER_01>That's anything new.

01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:37.680
<v SPEAKER_03>But here's the problem they're having with that.

01:49:37.760 --> 01:49:41.520
<v SPEAKER_03>So that strategy worked in the past because they had legacy media and that was it.

01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:42.960
<v SPEAKER_03>And they had social media, right?

01:49:43.039 --> 01:49:44.399
<v SPEAKER_03>And it wasn't that big yet.

01:49:44.560 --> 01:49:46.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Now they don't have social media.

01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:47.520
<v SPEAKER_03>So that's what bailed Peter out.

01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:49.439
<v SPEAKER_03>That's what bailed McCullough out, right?

01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:52.560
<v SPEAKER_03>Meaning social media is how they became heroes.

01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:55.039
<v SPEAKER_03>And and they don't have Newsmax and Fox.

01:49:55.359 --> 01:49:55.680
<v SPEAKER_03>That's right.

01:49:55.840 --> 01:49:58.560
<v SPEAKER_01>And some and and some of these to some degree.

01:49:58.960 --> 01:49:59.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Fox isn't touching this.

01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:00.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Some degree.

01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:01.600
<v SPEAKER_01>Fox isn't touching it.

01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:06.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Fox, listen, for to Fox's crowd, at least for a few years or during COVID, they had me on over and over again.

01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:06.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, yeah.

01:50:07.199 --> 01:50:09.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Around COVID, but I'm talking about this childhood vaccine.

01:50:09.439 --> 01:50:10.560
<v SPEAKER_03>This, they're not there yet.

01:50:10.720 --> 01:50:11.359
<v SPEAKER_03>They're not there yet.

01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:12.800
<v SPEAKER_01>They're not, they're not touching it yet.

01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:15.439
<v SPEAKER_01>But I think they'll be that tipping point.

01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:16.000
<v SPEAKER_01>Like, yeah.

01:50:16.159 --> 01:50:16.800
<v SPEAKER_01>I hope you're right.

01:50:16.880 --> 01:50:23.279
<v SPEAKER_01>I well, I and I said, as you know, I in response to all the legacy media, it's just so much I couldn't respond to at all.

01:50:23.439 --> 01:50:26.720
<v SPEAKER_01>And I said, Yo, y'all did not, y'all did not learn from COVID.

01:50:27.039 --> 01:50:35.279
<v SPEAKER_01>I said, You have, you, you sacrificed so much of your legitimacy and and and and got and lost a lot of your following on the way you covered COVID.

01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:39.600
<v SPEAKER_01>And let me tell you, you are at another crossroads with childhood vaccines right now.

01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:40.640
<v SPEAKER_01>You're at a crossroads.

01:50:40.960 --> 01:50:41.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:45.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Report the truth, as inconvenient as it might be.

01:50:45.199 --> 01:50:58.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Or if you don't, when families across this country wake up and realize that you misled them about how or the ideology of their chronic disease that their child might have or has, I say, that'll be the end of you.

01:50:58.720 --> 01:50:59.279
<v SPEAKER_01>That'll be it.

01:50:59.359 --> 01:51:00.399
<v SPEAKER_01>That it will be Amen.

01:51:00.640 --> 01:51:01.199
<v SPEAKER_01>It'll be the end.

01:51:01.359 --> 01:51:02.399
<v SPEAKER_01>It's a real amen.

01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:02.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:03.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:51:03.279 --> 01:51:03.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Amen.

01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:04.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Amen.

01:51:04.479 --> 01:51:09.119
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, I mean, Fox, anyone on Fox that has pool listening, this guy needs to be on Fox.

01:51:09.359 --> 01:51:16.239
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, I mean, Fox, I they should be covering all of the deaths and damage from the vaccine, the COVID vaccine, right?

01:51:16.479 --> 01:51:20.640
<v SPEAKER_03>And I'm surprised that they're not because it's just, I'm it's there.

01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:21.680
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, it's out there.

01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:23.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Look at these numbers, right?

01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:24.479
<v SPEAKER_03>Why isn't that being covered?

01:51:24.720 --> 01:51:27.680
<v SPEAKER_03>So for me to think they're gonna jump into the childhood vaccine.

01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:29.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Oh, God, I hope you're right, but I don't know.

01:51:30.079 --> 01:51:34.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, look, come on, the clinical trial for the COVAC scene proved that it prevents death.

01:51:34.239 --> 01:51:36.560
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, you already talked about that clinical trial.

01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:37.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

01:51:37.119 --> 01:51:38.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Sorry, if you can go back.

01:51:38.560 --> 01:51:40.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Anyone watching, it didn't.

01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:43.279
<v SPEAKER_00>More people died from the vaccine group than in the placebo group.

01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:45.680
<v SPEAKER_00>Just you know, just somebody's gonna snip that out.

01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:46.159
<v SPEAKER_03>That's right.

01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:47.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Somebody's gonna snip that out.

01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:48.479
<v SPEAKER_03>You still might snip that out.

01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:48.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:51:49.199 --> 01:51:52.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Put it this way: if you land yourself on Fox, they're gonna snip that out.

01:51:52.079 --> 01:51:54.000
<v SPEAKER_03>And they're gonna be like, oh, we caught them in this interview.

01:51:54.319 --> 01:51:55.680
<v SPEAKER_03>I was being I was sarcastic.

01:51:55.920 --> 01:51:56.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Exactly.

01:51:56.319 --> 01:51:56.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, that was.

01:51:57.039 --> 01:51:57.359
<v SPEAKER_00>That's true.

01:51:57.439 --> 01:51:59.039
<v SPEAKER_01>I should, I should think about that more often.

01:51:59.439 --> 01:51:59.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

01:51:59.920 --> 01:52:01.520
<v SPEAKER_01>You actually opened up this whole monologue.

01:52:01.680 --> 01:52:08.239
<v SPEAKER_01>You're your at the beginning, and you said that um, you know, I I'm you know, operate behind the scenes, so to speak.

01:52:08.479 --> 01:52:13.520
<v SPEAKER_01>And in many respects, I actually, for years and years, I did, I just wanted to do the legal work.

01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:22.159
<v SPEAKER_01>You know, my goal has uh has never been to make people think vaccines good or bad or before or against again, you know, it's just a product.

01:52:22.319 --> 01:52:26.319
<v SPEAKER_01>And and it was just about protecting the individual and civil rig to informed consent.

01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.720
<v SPEAKER_01>And for years, I never did any media, I never responded to any media request.

01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:38.560
<v SPEAKER_01>And then um, you know, I got that typical long list of questions from the Washington Post with like, why do you hate children?

01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:40.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Like all pregnant questions.

01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:41.920
<v SPEAKER_01>And I ignored it as usual.

01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:43.520
<v SPEAKER_01>And they did this giant hit piece.

01:52:43.600 --> 01:52:52.880
<v SPEAKER_01>I think it was like the front page of their website, at least when I went on there for like seemed like a day, and uh shut down our phone systems, our inbox.

01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:54.560
<v SPEAKER_01>Like it was wild.

01:52:55.199 --> 01:53:06.560
<v SPEAKER_01>And uh I realized it was actually kind of a flattering article, you know, Park Avenue firm being effective at knocking down vaccine mandates and god forbid, giving people their right to choose.

01:53:06.720 --> 01:53:07.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, yeah.

01:53:07.199 --> 01:53:08.479
<v SPEAKER_01>All right, God forbid.

01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:10.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, um, and I was like, well, it's kind of flattering.

01:53:11.119 --> 01:53:13.600
<v SPEAKER_01>Um, sprinkled in with some ad hominem.

01:53:13.760 --> 01:53:27.920
<v SPEAKER_01>And then they contacted me again with another one of these things over a lawsuit I filed in DC where we filed, where we just filed a lawsuit to challenge a DC law that allowed doctors to vaccinate minors without parental consent.

01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:30.880
<v SPEAKER_01>So you a 10-year-old could walk in, listen to this.

01:53:31.119 --> 01:53:38.159
<v SPEAKER_01>The doctor can give the kid a vaccine, then the doctor creates supposed to create a separate file that the parent can't access, we'll never know.

01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:45.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Notify the insurance company when the insurance company is not supposed to send a notice to the parent, so it's not on the billing statement, send a notice to the school.

01:53:45.199 --> 01:53:45.680
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm not kidding.

01:53:45.920 --> 01:53:46.479
<v SPEAKER_01>What a violation.

01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:52.880
<v SPEAKER_01>The school is supposed to create a separate file that the parent never has access to, and the health department is supposed to segregate it.

01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:58.880
<v SPEAKER_01>So this law basically created a system that would cause everybody to lie to the parent.

01:53:59.199 --> 01:54:03.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Anyways, so Waypo sends me another one of these ridiculous requests.

01:54:04.079 --> 01:54:06.159
<v SPEAKER_01>Why do you want to kill children?

01:54:06.399 --> 01:54:12.159
<v SPEAKER_01>And I was like, all right, I guess I and I made at that moment was the first time I ever really did media.

01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:16.880
<v SPEAKER_01>And I was like, okay, um, I I think looks like I've I gotta get ahead of this.

01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:18.079
<v SPEAKER_01>You know, it's better to get ahead.

01:54:18.159 --> 01:54:21.760
<v SPEAKER_01>I I asked some folks and they said, Yeah, otherwise I'll do the news story.

01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:23.840
<v SPEAKER_01>And so um, I went on Laura Ingram that night.

01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:29.039
<v SPEAKER_01>It was the first time I was ever I had done one thing once, years and years prior, and I was like, I don't want to do that anymore.

01:54:29.199 --> 01:54:37.199
<v SPEAKER_01>And so I did Laura Ingram that night and um or the night the next night, and uh and so I've been doing this public stuff ever since.

01:54:38.079 --> 01:54:38.640
<v SPEAKER_03>We need you to.

01:54:39.119 --> 01:54:52.640
<v SPEAKER_01>And I've come to the conclusion that to get to the other side of this, to and to get the courts to do the right thing, to get the legislative house to do the right thing, we have to change cultural cognition on this issue.

01:54:52.880 --> 01:54:54.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Not to get people to say vaccines are bad, right?

01:54:55.039 --> 01:54:57.840
<v SPEAKER_01>But vaccines are our product, product.

01:54:58.079 --> 01:54:58.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:54:58.640 --> 01:55:01.760
<v SPEAKER_01>So we can think, we can question, we can examine, we can litigate.

01:55:02.079 --> 01:55:02.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Is it safe?

01:55:02.720 --> 01:55:08.399
<v SPEAKER_01>We can legislate, we can, you know, not just go safe and effective, safe like a mantra.

01:55:09.039 --> 01:55:20.800
<v SPEAKER_01>Um and um, and that's actually my biggest hope from this book is that when one reads it, it humanizes, for lack of a better word, the fact these products so people see them as products.

01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:22.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Where do you want to send people?

01:55:22.319 --> 01:55:23.520
<v SPEAKER_03>This is on Amazon, I'm sure.

01:55:23.760 --> 01:55:24.319
<v SPEAKER_03>It is on Amazon.

01:55:24.479 --> 01:55:26.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, but you don't have like a website, yeah.

01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:29.600
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, you do, but you where do you want to send them to get the book?

01:55:29.840 --> 01:55:32.560
<v SPEAKER_01>I I that's the only place that's available is Amazon.

01:55:32.720 --> 01:55:35.279
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't really not really in the business of books or anything.

01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:36.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, exactly.

01:55:36.479 --> 01:55:38.319
<v SPEAKER_03>So he's in the business of saving our children.

01:55:38.640 --> 01:55:40.560
<v SPEAKER_03>So it's you're it's on it is on Amazon.

01:55:40.640 --> 01:55:42.399
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, um, vaccines, amen.

01:55:42.640 --> 01:55:42.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:55:43.119 --> 01:55:43.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:55:43.680 --> 01:55:44.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Awesome, Aaron.

01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:45.760
<v SPEAKER_03>I could go on.

01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:52.319
<v SPEAKER_03>I I mean, I I literally I I look at you as uh an unsung hero, and I hope you get on Fox more and more.

01:55:52.479 --> 01:55:54.960
<v SPEAKER_03>So Laura Ingram, thank you for having him on, man.

01:55:55.039 --> 01:56:03.439
<v SPEAKER_03>But I mean it because I think that the greatest lever we have is right now public opinion uh to fight against this.

01:56:04.239 --> 01:56:04.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Absolutely.

01:56:05.039 --> 01:56:11.680
<v SPEAKER_03>People I always say people have to vote with their dollars, but uh in this case, we have to vote by you know saying, man, we've had enough.

01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:14.560
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, we want our rights, and our rights are for our children.

01:56:14.640 --> 01:56:17.279
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, that last story you told is that's where it could get.

01:56:17.520 --> 01:56:18.479
<v SPEAKER_03>That's where it could get.

01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:22.560
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh whereas like we're literally they're allowed to vaccinate your children without you knowing.

01:56:22.640 --> 01:56:23.279
<v SPEAKER_03>That's tragic.

01:56:23.600 --> 01:56:25.920
<v SPEAKER_01>That is what they're trying to do across the country.

01:56:26.159 --> 01:56:26.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Yep.

01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:30.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Now look, you may whether you agree or don't agree with gay marriage, okay?

01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:38.000
<v SPEAKER_01>The US Supreme Court has recently, relatively recently, found that gay marriage is a constitutional right under the US Constitution.

01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:43.600
<v SPEAKER_01>Now, would our Supreme Court have ruled that way in the 1800s or 1910, 1920, 1930?

01:56:43.760 --> 01:56:44.560
<v SPEAKER_01>What changed?

01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:46.000
<v SPEAKER_01>The constitution changed?

01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:46.399
<v SPEAKER_01>No.

01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:50.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Cultural cognition, the public's views on this issue changed.

01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:53.279
<v SPEAKER_01>And that does drive changes, right?

01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:53.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:54.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:56:54.479 --> 01:56:58.079
<v SPEAKER_01>So it matters because look, it's no knock on any judge.

01:56:58.319 --> 01:57:00.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Judges are very busy, they have thousands of cases.

01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:03.359
<v SPEAKER_01>They have to rely on their baseline knowledge.

01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:07.279
<v SPEAKER_01>And if only thing they know is safe and effective, they're not going to look under the hood.

01:57:07.359 --> 01:57:21.119
<v SPEAKER_01>When I did a vaccine policy case seven, eight years ago, my standard was to anybody at my firm who wanted to do one, is listen, only bring me a case where the judge looks at me and goes, I hate you, I hate your client, I hate everything about this, but I got a rule for you.

01:57:21.600 --> 01:57:24.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Because all the grades I assume I'd lose today.

01:57:24.479 --> 01:57:26.479
<v SPEAKER_01>Again, no knocking any judge, they're very busy.

01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:32.319
<v SPEAKER_01>You can get a lot of judges to say when I say it doesn't stop transmission, they don't just like go, oh, well, whatever.

01:57:32.479 --> 01:57:35.439
<v SPEAKER_01>They're like, okay, they'll look at it, they'll consider it.

01:57:35.600 --> 01:57:37.760
<v SPEAKER_01>And so I can win the grades today.

01:57:37.920 --> 01:57:38.399
<v SPEAKER_01>Why?

01:57:38.560 --> 01:57:40.479
<v SPEAKER_01>I didn't become a better lawyer.

01:57:40.560 --> 01:57:51.520
<v SPEAKER_01>I didn't become that lawyering didn't change, the law didn't change, the public's cognition on this issue changed, and that also impacts what happened in Florida across the country.

01:57:51.680 --> 01:57:53.039
<v SPEAKER_01>So um, I do agree.

01:57:53.119 --> 01:57:56.399
<v SPEAKER_01>That's why uh, Doctor, what you do is so important on this issue.

01:57:56.640 --> 01:57:58.479
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, I think we're at a tipping point right now.

01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:05.039
<v SPEAKER_03>I think we have an opportunity we've never had, and this is for the health of children and the rights are our rights as humans.

01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:08.239
<v SPEAKER_03>And nothing more important than that for me.

01:58:08.720 --> 01:58:14.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Because as well, as long as we have still the right to say yes or no, man, that's what we want, right?

01:58:14.880 --> 01:58:19.439
<v SPEAKER_03>So I started the show by saying we probably have people that are for or against vaccines.

01:58:19.600 --> 01:58:20.880
<v SPEAKER_03>How do you feel now?

01:58:21.199 --> 01:58:26.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Because all we want is the right to say no or yes, for that matter.

01:58:26.399 --> 01:58:26.560
<v SPEAKER_03>Absolutely.

01:58:26.720 --> 01:58:27.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Absolutely.

01:58:27.279 --> 01:58:27.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:58:28.079 --> 01:58:31.199
<v SPEAKER_03>If you don't share this show, okay.

01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:34.399
<v SPEAKER_03>I think you'd all agree people need to hear this information.

01:58:34.560 --> 01:58:37.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Every one of your friends, loved ones need to hear that information.

01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:39.039
<v SPEAKER_03>It's life-changing.

01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:43.439
<v SPEAKER_03>And uh, I believe we're in a fight for our children right now, but get the book, Vaccines AM.

01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:44.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Amen.

01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:45.840
<v SPEAKER_03>Vaccines amen.

01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:49.520
<v SPEAKER_03>And it is a religion, man, whether people realize it or not.

01:58:49.600 --> 01:58:50.960
<v SPEAKER_03>And you said, I loved it.

01:58:51.359 --> 01:58:56.239
<v SPEAKER_03>You said that all the other religions, the difference is they say they're a religion, not this one.

01:58:56.399 --> 01:58:57.840
<v SPEAKER_03>You don't even know you're in a religion.

01:58:58.159 --> 01:58:59.520
<v SPEAKER_03>Share the episode.

01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:00.479
<v SPEAKER_03>Thanks, man.

01:59:00.560 --> 01:59:01.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Thanks for being here.

01:59:01.279 --> 01:59:01.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Awesome.