Heather McDonald and VPR Reunion Pt3

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to give them all a podcast. I feel like it's been one hundred years since last week. I'm gonna be annoying because I have officially given up the vape and I'm tweaking the fuck out. So if you hear me chomping on gum, it may be annoying for you, but life saving for me. So just get the fuck over it.

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Speaker 2: I have some questions. Oh for shooting.

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Speaker 1: I have Heather McDonald's here today. Hi, so excited about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be in the Give Them Laala headquarters here in the heart of West Hollywood. I've got everybody here, I've got the brother here.

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Speaker 1: Well you know, Easton's my new co host.

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Speaker 3: Hello Easton, It's good to be here. Happy to be a part of this.

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Speaker 2: Looking cute, I know, hey, thank you and smelling nice greeted me. Put on some cologne for the day.

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Speaker 3: Really appreciate.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate hugging a tall, young, nice smelling man. Thank you for that.

00:00:58
Speaker 1: I haven't hugged anybody except my brother. That's makes me sad.

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Speaker 2: I have a question about the giving of the vape. All right. I have been dying to get to the place where I felt I could say something to you without selling, like an annoying old gen excerpt that should just shut her old fat trap.

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Speaker 1: Wait, what were you going to say you hated me?

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Speaker 2: I know it's I just think it's an I understand how addictive it is. I understand that a lot of people start doing it and their friends are doing it, and they think it's like, you know, oh, hey, it was a vape, it's not a cigarette, and this and that. I actually just was saying on my show today. I was like, I think the new thing is that old cigarettes are going to come back. That's going to be the real I don't give a fuck, you know, And I really hope that doesn't happen either. But you know, we know how bad it is for everybody. We do, Yes, we do. It's very bad our lungs and everything. It's so so bad.

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Speaker 1: No, it's really it's just like a.

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Speaker 2: Really bad habit. I think it like takes away from being engage with people, and I think I just don't think it looks good.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it looks for it's definitely trashy. And it started getting so bad that I'd be in like meetings with like Cia, like smacking my vape. It was mortifying because I couldn't help it.

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Speaker 3: I just felt like I needed Well, that's.

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Speaker 4: My biggest thing is seeing girls, like very attractive women and then they're in a group of their friends with an I G and they all have a vape in their hand and it's like.

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Speaker 3: Already it's off so trashy. Yeah, it ruins a photo.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, even though you were doing it too.

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Speaker 1: Quiz it, I used to never bought one.

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Speaker 4: He just like kind of yeah, I would just steal everybody everyone else.

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Speaker 1: But he was like a person that you wanted to, like, please just go buy a vape. I've never smoked, well, apparently I smoked a cigarette at Sobriety introduced me to the vape.

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Speaker 2: But like, who was the first person that were like, let me try this.

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Speaker 3: You started on the jewel.

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Speaker 2: I think I just went different between a jewel and a vape.

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Speaker 1: My jewel is the vape. It was just like it was vast But these fools. Easton and his friend Landon we go to Palm Springs this weekend because with the intention and the motive of giving up the vape and knowing that we're gonna be really, really vicious because it's really hard to give up, so we wanted to just like keep ourselves in a confined space. These guys are talking about how hard it is as their drink and fucking Bacardi pina coladas, smoking weed, and I'm like, I don't I have bazooka bubble gum.

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Speaker 2: Well I am. I'm super proud of you guys, And to everybody that's sucking on a vape right now listening to this were I sympathize with you. I get it. It's so addictive, which was their plan, you know. But if you if this could be an inspiration of it's something that you guys want to try, I would highly suggest it for your health. And that's all that's my old thing.

00:04:00
Speaker 1: I really gave it up for ocean. I'm imitating you. Let's talk about bend the pump rules. You got my text to, No, I don't want it, just kidding, never heard.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I got your text out. I'm good to talk about whatever you want to talk about.

00:04:14
Speaker 1: Well, let's keep it all things bravo. I want to talk about.

00:04:17
Speaker 2: Yes, let's do the Vanner prof first, because that's what people want to hear. The initial you're steering the shell, and I saw that you, you know, were stopped by TMZ and it was very hard to recognize you, and You're send it to Darryl Sweatshirt. So I'm glad that you pulled your hair back and anyway that you were feeling a little different by seeing that final few minutes, which was the six days later after the final Final reunion, right right, right?

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Speaker 1: But how did you take what I said? Because a lot of people were saying like, oh, she feels bad. No, no, no, I don't feel bad. I don't feel bad.

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Speaker 2: I believed everything you said because I kind of felt the same way and watching it also, I think, you know the initial you're gonna feel different than you did in March than you did in April, then you did in May than you did three days ago. And so when people were being really listen, I was. I was with a couple of friends and we were watching it in Conah, Okay, my friend's house in ConA, and one of the girls hadn't really watched it, so she was like yelling at the TV and not appreciating how you and Ariana were acting. And I'm trying to explain what's going on, And finally I was like we started to have a real Housewives's ultimate girl Trip moment of like yelling, you and this friend, these are a couple other friends getting involved, and I'm like, you know what, I know. I know these people personally. I know I follow this as if I was like a forensic scientist. So I'm like, I guess. And finally I go goodbye. And I was staying in the guest house and I just go goodbye, Let's talk about it tomorrow, and then I wrote, right, so I'm like, let's be good tomorrow. We can't find about a reality show. We're not part of it. Like, I appreciate your views as a viewer.

00:05:56
Speaker 1: However, if I got in between you your girlfriend, well.

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Speaker 2: The one girlfriend had never really watched it, so I was like, she was just going off on your fucking couch and watched the finale of Yellowstone and Session and was like, well, these people don't seem very nice. I watched it for thirteen years, like to shut up. And so then we were like laughed about it, and I was like, no, I think it's funny that we had like a Housewives moment while watching on a Girl's trip while watchings. It was all completely appropriate. And then the next day they went off to the pool and I sat in my room and I watched the peacock version, and Rubb went out, my god, that is that is where, that is where you want to be.

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Speaker 1: That's the gold mine.

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Speaker 2: And also like I was a little buzzed when they were yelling at me the night, so then I had full clarity to watch it take notes like at a desk, and I was like.

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Speaker 4: Wow, and maybe.

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Speaker 2: My friends were right, but but I see, you know, really what I got. I'll just tell you when I got from the end of her final interview, which was six days later. The thing that I thought where somebody might have some sympathy is that when she said when the producer was getting it out of her, and she later admitted kind of kind of admitted kind of we got it that the boning happened at the jacuzzi, which was wall, can't you believe it? Tom Sandal, you got count and the dracuzie she's doing.

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Speaker 3: Did you believe it?

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Speaker 2: I was, I was saying what he walked in, he scuffled in, and he's like, can't you believe it?

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Speaker 1: It didn't feel like a.

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Speaker 2: He had rock out over in the Chacuzzie Well was away and.

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Speaker 1: Then he just went like Katie.

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Speaker 2: But I was think like, what would be so funny if, like everything in Bravo history, there was a moment that it was Ken that dropped the ball. I'm like, can you believe it doesn't have cancer? Yell was engaged nineteen times constitution Hall like, he's just the person that just every major moment. Oh my god. But anyway, she said when when Raquel said.

00:08:19
Speaker 1: I told you she'd steer the no, I don't want to know.

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Speaker 2: But when We'rekel was saying like, oh god, you know he's gonna be mad. He really doesn't want this part of the story to get out of how bad it would be that she was away at a funeral. And when she was saying that and she's like, I don't have anyone else, I was like, wow, this is the classic love bomb. Alienate you from everybody in the world, and now guess what, you're alone in the mental facility. He's selling out shows Schwartz and Sandy's was packed. You're gonna start probably filming in a few weeks.

00:08:55
Speaker 1: But this is what I was trying to say to her, and this is what I been did say that he he doesn't care about you or anybody else. He only thinks about himself. He has made sure that he's gonna keep you exactly where he needs you. He wants you to lie, not not to protect you, but to protect him. And again here we are watching her team talk about her in the mental health facility while he's out pretending to sell out shows when really it's just like a public park and like you just go no. I think with a blanket, okay, I think he's doing okay. I think he's doing okay.

00:09:29
Speaker 2: So everybody wants to cancel someone. Listen, Louis c K's won a Grammy like people.

00:09:34
Speaker 1: Luisy K won a Grammy for music for stand up. You can win a Grammy for stand up? You mean an Emmy.

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Speaker 2: Grammy like a stand up album?

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Speaker 3: Mm hm, whoa, But I'm.

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Speaker 2: Just saying he was canceled. Everyone hate it on, you know, but there's enough people that will like you, and there's an And what's weird about the banner pult fans is, even though they like hate Tom Sandoval, won't it be funny and ironic for us to go to see tape Tom Santival?

00:09:59
Speaker 1: Of course, I totally get and.

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Speaker 2: Ironic to go to Schwartzen's and whatever people.

00:10:02
Speaker 1: Want to do to stand of all is not canceled. And yes, was this a huge freaking deal in March when it came out. Is it still kind of like, oh my god, I can't believe you did that. Absolutely, But people get over things. This isn't something where it's going to be a black mark on you for the rest of your life. Right, this is all gonna calm down. Where I felt for Raquel was when you're filming a reality show. In my mind, every single person that is on camera with me is mentally equipped to handle whatever is going to come out of my mouth or everyone else's mouth. Right when I watched that, it wasn't that I sat there and said, oh, I shouldn't have said the things that I said, because the reason I love doing what I do is because I get to be unfiltered on top of it being entertaining for other people. Right, the second you throw someone in there that cannot handle it, you're making it so I can't go and do my job. And yes, as a human being, like I want to make sure that we're all like mentally healthy and doing our thing in that regard, right, you feel like you're off your rocker, go get help. The first person to say go and do that. But you're coming to the reunion to answer for what has happened. I'm not going to censor myself. If this isn't the place for you because your mind can't handle it, you shouldn't be here.

00:11:20
Speaker 2: No, I mean it's no, it's listen making sense to can't you know? To get off the show? And she broke up with James. Oh. There was some interesting things that have come up in the detective work of like when at the engagement party, do you do you have you seen where people brought up the set the point where she was with her dad and she was like, don't worry dad, like something like it's not gonna happen anyway. There was something like someone's they were saying like they think these parents that seem that whole thing is really odd too. The adoption thing is very weird. I saw her talk about it from a past clip and she says, so, my actual birth mom gave birth to that older sister who's the realtor girl, and then got pregnant and was really done having kids, and this her sister wanted to have a kid, So she just gifted me to the aunt, and that aunt raised me as my mom. Right, that is I have.

00:12:27
Speaker 1: To say Raquel's mom is if I mean, Raquel's mom is her mom, right, It's just not biologically her mom. It's really her aunt if you want to break it down. But she took on the role as a mother. So to me, that's your freaking mom.

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Speaker 2: Yeh right, that is so bizarre unless they were like financially really really poor, that's the only thing that would make sense for a mom to be like, oh thought I was done having kids, had one at forty you know, who could use a baby? You know, like like like, who wants this old couch? I don't think I need this couch anymore because you know what, No, I'm more of a recliner gal. I was like what And I'm just saying, yeah, all those things make make up. You make up someone that is that might contribute to the issue she has today. Absolutely, And it's that was very very odd. It wasn't like, I mean, maybe there's more true. Maybe the woman was getting divorced, maybe she had a drug and alcohol. I don't I'm not saying she did.

00:13:27
Speaker 1: No matter how you very bizarre. You sit there and say, but my older sister you wanted. No matter what the reasoning, that's still got a message you can always as.

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Speaker 2: Someone who was a total mistake number five out of five. And like literally we were told that, like oh you were surprised, you know, I came home and there was another steak dinner and I'm like, oh shit, did Pam did not know how to read her calendar. It's like what my dad would say, and like I absolutely knew, like I wasn't planning it, neither was my sister, and like but they would joke and say it now, but like if all of a sudden my dad was like I told you we weren't going to have anymore, and now you had another. Can you find a sister in Wisconsin that's you know barren, Like I just for someone who comes from like a big Catholic family where you have more kids than you probably should, right, that just was not something that would happen.

00:14:16
Speaker 1: It would happen almost. It was definitely foreign to me too, like.

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Speaker 2: Fifties or whatever. If sometimes there would be maybe the teenage girl how they got pregnant, it was like shameful, And there were times where then the mom and so the grandma would pretend like that was the baby, that was a common thing. So then that girl wouldn't have the scarlet letter on her thing and she could go off to college or marry someone. There were like stories like that.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think it would have been better if everyone would have been on the same page and said, we're not telling her when she gets old for her own mental well being, I wouldn't have I'd rather not be a part of the family now knowing it, and just been adopted.

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Speaker 4: By no blood exactly because of how mentally fucked up you can be.

00:15:03
Speaker 3: Now, No, she's definitely that is a huge chip.

00:15:05
Speaker 4: On your shoulder, and to like relive it and think back all through the years of like I just wasn't wanted in a sense from her mother.

00:15:13
Speaker 3: Is that how it is?

00:15:14
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any I don't know if there's any contact with her in her in her biological.

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Speaker 2: Momi is there, Whether she's dealt with that or not. I would hope that she's at least even if she's okay with that, I hope that she's being honest about whatever feelings she had or whatever feelings maybe other people have. I'm sure that when hitting dms like me that was like, wow, that was weird. I mean, maybe she never thought it was weird and just she said it on the show and people were like, well, that's.

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Speaker 1: Really right the way everything becomes weird when you say it on the show. You know, there's always going to be a group of people who like do not relate or understand, and you feel like you've gone crazy. But I'm sure that when she went away to the facility that all of these things came up.

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Speaker 2: I have some other questions for you as a viewer and a friend, all right, when I'm watching like Sheena, you know, and I want to ask to Sheina too, but so maybe we can answer her Shena and like being upset about that she was really good friends with her, and even you kind of came around as like the goodness of your heart of trying to find something like to bond over, right, But were there like late night, like do you see conversations happening with Raquel? I just I kind of can't imagine it, Like I need to.

00:16:22
Speaker 1: Know, I asked Bond, I asked I have asked Sena and Ariana this multiple times when they talk about how they when they would say like, but we love her, and I'm like, what do you talk about? Yeah, what are the conversations? Because I don't understand how you could bond with this person?

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Speaker 2: So what did they say?

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Speaker 1: They were like, she's just really sweet and like you have to be there to know. There was never anything that was like in depth or profound or if she comes out of her shell when this happens. To me, it seemed like a very like partying type of bond.

00:17:00
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, that's how I like the party that you know, like to party and drink and do whatever psychedelic.

00:17:05
Speaker 1: And to me, it seemed very much like all good time, you guys bond over the fact that you're drunk and doing mushrooms and and dancing at music festivals. That was what I felt like it was.

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Speaker 2: I have another question. Another thing I saw on all the millions of tiktoks and things I've seen, is there was a time early on before I think, before the breakup with James, that someone noticed that she had cors light in her fridge before before she well she was still with James. Was cors light always a drink a favorite drink of Sandoval's or was it always just a sponsor of vander Popper rules and we didn't recognize it till recently.

00:17:47
Speaker 1: No, I always remember the Tom's loving cors Light. If someone comes in, I said, we should have, we should the dead giveaways word. The girls started drinking bud Light and the girls or cors Light, whatever the fuck it was. She was drinking the same thing as Tom Sandoval and also her new obsession with the Galaxy lights. Because the only time you adopt things like that is when there's an intimate thing happening with someone.

00:18:17
Speaker 2: But have you I remember my friend dated this guy and she realized he was a bad person later on, and I remember her reflecting on it and going, you know, she said, he's a sociopath. I said, what is a sociopath? I don't understand what any of these wordses. This is like twenty years ago. And she goes, He'll just this is her understanding. So psychologists come at me. I didn't, you know, I'm not a licensed therapist. But it was like, he will just adopt himself to whatever I'm into. So she liked red vines. He was like, I love red vines I want to go to. And you know, there are girls and guys that will suddenly love them or attach someone where it's like whatever you're into. I had a friend that all of a sudden was into like the hot wheel motorcycle riding. I was like, what this is? Like my sorority sister like, I'm like, she like got a dirt bike from the dude at Christmas and she's like, I love it. I'm like, you do not love this dirt bike? Like you're the most country club Jonathan club check I've ever met like what you're talking about, or someone that's all of a sudden like we're going scuba diving across the world and you're like, do you really love scuba diving? Do you really? And I warn people that, like, don't act like you're into camping if you're not, don't you know. But sometimes girls will do that and sometimes guys will do that too and want to want to connect exactly what you're saying connect.

00:19:33
Speaker 1: But maybe that's why I don't connect with anyone, because I literally don't even pretend. I'm like, the only way we're connecting is if you want to make a plate of nachos at midnight and decide to watch HBO Max and like binge watch Housewives and those.

00:19:47
Speaker 2: I don't think that's hard to find someone that's down to do that.

00:19:50
Speaker 1: It's very hard.

00:19:51
Speaker 2: It's a weird thing.

00:19:52
Speaker 1: It's not because where are they?

00:19:54
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think a lot of men are binge watching Housewives.

00:19:57
Speaker 2: No, watch some of it. I don't think you should.

00:20:02
Speaker 4: Watch it with you for a couple of months anyway.

00:20:07
Speaker 1: No, but I don't. I don't think Raquel's a sociopath, do you.

00:20:10
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying she's a sociopath. I'm just saying I remember her my friends saying that it could just be something that you're just connecting and whatever.

00:20:17
Speaker 1: It seemed more of a it's sometimes cry for love and acceptance and someone to think that I'm worth listening to. Like towards the very end, that little piece of her saying I won't have anyone else, it was like, well.

00:20:34
Speaker 2: Now you, yeah, you really don't. That's what I'm saying. He got. Now he's your boyfriend. So now if you if you fuck up and you say too much, now he's going to be mad at you. And now you have no one to talk to because now he's going to not talk to you for a week, and now you're gonna be alone in that place, not getting any calls for a week, And so it was like a double It was like, I want to stay with you because you're my boyfriend and I don't want you to be mad, but also you're the only person I have. So that is where I I agree.

00:21:01
Speaker 4: But I also feel like if she actually cared about all of that, she would end it with Sandoval.

00:21:06
Speaker 1: Save herself while she.

00:21:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, save yourself while you're ahead, and with that last thing. To me, she just grabbed a shovel and dug Because if you really care about everybody's feelings, you would have just ended it with Sandoval because you're gonna find a million of that fucking guy.

00:21:21
Speaker 2: Oh that's depressing, but it's exactly what you said. Are they really together? I mean she's been in this place for now sixty seven or seventy days. No.

00:21:29
Speaker 1: I thought he had this new like blonde Instagram person like from Texas.

00:21:34
Speaker 3: Or something he's already posting with other girls.

00:21:36
Speaker 2: No, they we're seeing like shopping in Austin, and I don't know, she looked like Erica Jane kind.

00:21:41
Speaker 3: Of Oh she wishes she fucking wishes.

00:21:44
Speaker 2: Who knows what these filters in everyone's face. I don't even like that.

00:21:47
Speaker 1: That's what I can't trust nowadays. No, the filter definitely messes you up. Here's where I stand on the very end.

00:21:53
Speaker 2: To tell you. Was looking at my phone. He was doing something because he works with two others were talking about and she goes, wait, I just want to show you this one that you're trying about different faces. I don't know why. He goes, Mom, you know what's so weird is that your phone has like different people that that I text or whatever. They've highlighted people and for them are just very different photos of me. And he goes, your phone thinks you're for different. That thinks me a photo that I found like like that was like twenty years ago that I just screamed grabbed because I was like, fuck, I look good. Another one is like sunglasses, one is like no makeup, hideous, and one is like lamb and gorgeous. And it thinks it's for four different friends of mine. Yeah right, I'm not gonna go they have done or anything like.

00:22:45
Speaker 1: Hey, not even the word that you've had done. It's the way that you edit, like there are people that get into the freaking face tune app and they take the entire smoothing tool and they don't zoom it on their face to like smooth it out. They just smoothed the whole picture and you become one big blur.

00:23:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, like noseless. I love it, like you have no no nose. I love that look. But I like that you're you're honest and you're like, oh, I whiten my teeth. You know I'm keeping it real well.

00:23:11
Speaker 1: I mean, because the Bravo posts the original.

00:23:16
Speaker 2: About it, I.

00:23:17
Speaker 1: Might as well let you know that I tweaked it a bit. I got a text from James after the reunion aired and he said, I didn't think we were that bad. I'm getting a lot of heat in the comment section. Let me read it verbatim. He said, the fact that some people on my Instagram have the audacity to side with those trolls, it blows my mind. We weren't even that bad. I thought it was legendary. Now I'm getting hate on my ig. Why are we getting hate? I never look so I just assumed that what I see is real life, and.

00:23:51
Speaker 2: I killed it. I just think they the only kind of criticism but then the other side will say, you have to understand this was this was the first time I ari on A saw I saw you. It in only been three weeks. And then when I see when somebody writes that, then I see other people coming around and going, you're right, you're right, You're right. Everyone else has had the two months to process it as being just fans of the show. But I thought, I mean I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I thought it was juicy, and I was like, there were times where I was like wait, almost like when I watched like Veep or something really well written where I'm like, wait a minute, I got to hear that line again, Like that was just like hold on a second, like this is too amazing. So there were some some good moments. I mean, when you when you were like, yeah, I love Ariana. That's why I hate her. Cookie in the back of your car.

00:24:39
Speaker 3: Can I do it again? Oh my gosh.

00:24:43
Speaker 1: People wanted to know why James and I were angrier than Arianna. I felt that I was the most angry of anybody.

00:24:51
Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody is just that's just part of their personality. I mean, the thing about Ariana and you and I talked about this right when it went down, and I was like, I mean, I re back to how she's handling it, but like deactivating her Instagram, like she's got to like capitalize on this. But in the end, I really commend how she handled it, and I think people should look at her. God forbids something like this ever happens to anybody else to take like two weeks to not say or do anything, be with your cocoon of people, and then gain that strength to then come forward versus like right away crying to an Instagram thing writing a long thing about your ex. Like, I mean, she really handled it right. And then when she got in front of him, she was harsh and she used some you know, really derogatory terms rightfully. So but like so that's her emo, that is her personality, and the show works and everything in the friendship works because you're not all Lallas and you're not all jails.

00:25:48
Speaker 1: Well, no, the dive sounds like a torture. Yes, to have a bunch of LaaS and James Is on a screen, now.

00:25:55
Speaker 2: That's just you.

00:25:56
Speaker 1: I think it would have been different had I had a good relationship with Raquel and Sandoval. It was that I could not believe that these two people were throwing daggers at me left and right about being I'm not even gonna say the word anymore, yeah, because I'm so fucking over it. Yeah, and then being real and being authentic and sharing your life all the while they were doing this. It was like I felt like my head was spinning.

00:26:23
Speaker 2: I think that's why this was so fascinating to people that you didn't even watch the show, because everybody of a certain age either knew a situation like this, like it was.

00:26:33
Speaker 1: A relatable friend. RelA was thought her husband was cheating.

00:26:38
Speaker 2: And I remember we were staying at the SLS she was visiting. We spent the night with like four girls in a room and this girl had like a great marriage and everything, and she as we're about to go to bed, she says it, I think this is happening. How why do you think this? This girl she was a patient, Now she's working for him and this and that, and I right away and I was like, I got to ask you because now we're like, you know, early forties or something about forty, and I'm like, you know, this is when you get divorced, like you you know, I encourage people. If you're gonna cut the cord, do it while you're young, Like, do it while you can have a hole. You could have some fucking fun bodies banging, and then you find husband number two. Don't wait till you're sou old. But anyway, that's why I'm staying married forever. Not just kidding, but I but I was like, let me just ask you. Do you have a fantasy about having a second chapter at all? Or do you want to be babysitting in your grandchouldren with this man. She's like, no, I want to be like eighty great babies. I'm like, okay, Then what I think you should do is I think you should go and just say I'm uncomfortable with this situation. I don't want her work in here anymore. I don't want you to tell me anything. I don't want you. I'm not accusing you of everything I'm telling you. It's not feeling right to me. Here's a chunk of money. Tell the girl to go find another job, you know, I go, or you hire a private detective and you find out the truth. If you're not ready to know the truth, then just do this. So she brings that up. Oh, you're crazy, You're crazy. You know. They go to therapy. I'm you know, oh, themes seemed to be going great. You know, she has this thing, look at my hot husband running his first triathlon. I'm like, could this be more of a cliche of a sheeter when someone suddenly starts doing triathlons post forty, you'd be fucking someone else. Okay, Like no, not a good sign.

00:28:21
Speaker 1: No, not at all.

00:28:22
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, whatever, praying for her, okay, whatever. And then she had to go, believe it or not, to her grandmother's funeral and she and she goes, you know what, I'm going to take this weekend because he wasn't going to join her, And I'm going to hire that detective and I'm going to have see what he does. So she goes off with the kids to the grandma's funeral. He's like, oh, I've got to work at this thing. The detective calls in the next days like, I have bad news for you. I'm tracking the car. It was in front of this woman's house from eleven at night till seven ams. Oh no, no, no. So then my friend is so smart. So then she keeps it together. She figures out all the finances. She made more money than hey figured, all the finances paid for the vacations of schools and words whatever. Then they go back to the counselor marriage counsel, and the parents counts like, so have you guys thought about anything? You want to maybe do a trial separation? What are we gonna do? She's like, oh no, We'll be filing for divorce, and I will be also suing for alienation of spousal which is the one state that you can do it in, is hers of spousal affection or whatever. I'll be suing the mistress for this. And he was lying to you too, and and what everyone's like thanking out. She even came back from that funeral knowing and made dinner for his parents. She did all this in two weeks, knowing everything.

00:29:44
Speaker 1: Yes, I have to meet this woman.

00:29:46
Speaker 2: He's the best. And so then as they were fighting and everything, then she would be like, you know, knowing she care he wanted the boat. She hated the boat. She'd be like, I want the boat. He's like, I want the boat. She's like fine that I want the house.

00:29:59
Speaker 1: He's like, I get the house.

00:30:00
Speaker 2: She's like I will. And then like it was just like and then she was so classic, never let the kids know anything.

00:30:07
Speaker 1: Oh, he marries her, Okay, he marries the mistress. Yes, she turns out to be horrific, horrific, horrific. It's the one that died.

00:30:15
Speaker 2: Yep, she died, and she was awful. She was torturing my friend up until she there's the story again. We've talked about this more details which I don't want to share, but like, all I'm saying is like, and then, of course, now my friend is with her boyfriend of three years. She had a bunch of fun boyfriends prior to that. She had a great time as a woman in her fourties, being single, kids are you know, college successful or about to be, and has a great husband, I mean boyfriend, no rush to get married, like you know, because he's got younger kids, fabulous life, you know, and everything worked out great. But there'd be times where I'd be like, God, you know, your ex living through this misery. He's got to just because then they were like would a parent Okay, he's got to just be like what's because I'm like, you would have never divorced him? She's like, I wouldn't have is my sex better now with the new boyfriend. Yeah, but I was committed to life.

00:31:10
Speaker 1: I know these men don't even realize how would they have it? Like I literally, you want to go out and cheat, you want to go in cheat, I have to sleep next to you. I've seen some pretty gnarly ship and I'm still not fucking around, Like you don't even know how good you had it?

00:31:27
Speaker 2: No, and the other thing that people would say in the fence of Sandival, Oh, you're only having sex four times a year? What do you expect? Do you not? How any women I know that have stayed in relationships and stuff where they're not boning that much either, and maybe they would like more, maybe they'd want the guy to.

00:31:41
Speaker 1: Like they still don't.

00:31:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not fucking the guy's best friend. They're like, you know what, you haven't fucked me since December? Where's Bill today? I'd like to go I'm gonna go a round of golf with Bill. We just get along. Guys are my best friends.

00:31:59
Speaker 1: But it's so true. It's like whatever happened to a good old fashioned conversation? Sit down and be like, you know what, I'm feeling like we need to have more sex because my mind is wandering. I'm kind of feeling like I want to go fuck your best friend. Let's just have the conversation first before you go do it and blow everyone's life up.

00:32:17
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's just.

00:32:19
Speaker 1: Do you think scandalval has run its course? Do you think people are thick of talking about it now?

00:32:23
Speaker 2: I mean I would get a few comments that are like, I when is this going to end? Heather, and I would even be like, We're almost there. But I mean because it's because it is such a piggyback conversation is why I think it exactly what I just said, I just like told a story that was like relatable, and I totally that is why, out of all the reality show scandals and affairs and things like that that have ever happened, That's why I think it is just so fascinating. And then all the different elements and how each of you had such a big role. No one didn't have a role in it, right, I mean Katie had a role, Worts had a roll, Sheena Brock. I mean like every single person had like their own point of view, their own tidbits of info to share their own reflective moments, right. I mean that's why I think it was, you know, so good. But yeah, I mean I think.

00:33:17
Speaker 1: We have one more episode. You know that right? No secrets revealed, all new footage? What is that? Sunday tonight? Baby? Just when you think you're done recappy episode, they pull your right back. In part two of the Jersey the Reunion, how do you feel about it? By the way, the reunions are way better than the entire season? Did you like the season? Be real of your season? No, we're on.

00:33:45
Speaker 2: Did I know?

00:33:46
Speaker 1: It's hard to think that anything else exists? It's really fucking hard.

00:33:51
Speaker 4: I did.

00:33:52
Speaker 2: I did watch Jersey every every episode.

00:33:55
Speaker 1: Have you seen the reunions?

00:33:56
Speaker 2: Yes?

00:33:57
Speaker 1: Do you think they're better than the entire season combined? I mean, the unions are always good. But I don't even feel like you needed to watch the season.

00:34:02
Speaker 2: I mean one hundred percent. But it was like it was very I was very sucked in and very confused by a lot of things. Cause I had Carlos king on, who is very pro Teresa and he was a producer. He worked on New Jersey for a minute and then he worked on Intlanta. But anyway, he came on my show and he had told what he believes to be true his experience of how Melissa got on the show Melissa and Joe and why Teresa was so upset and that she was blindsided, and he told the whole thing, and I was like, I always saw it as Teresa, you know, wants to be this, she wants this to be her thing, and she didn't want to share the limelight and all of that. But I get being blindsided. But I get why the producers blindsided her because it made the better TV and all that, you know. So anyway that came out. Then Melissa like wrote me and was like, Joe and I have always been so good to you. Why are you saying this? Why did you have this person? This isn't true. Teresa knew that I was interviewing at my shore house. She knew I was interviewing for it. Why is she acting like it was such a surprise or whatever? And I go, I don't know. Then you know, I hear from Teresa, and I'm like seeing all this stuff. And then I go back and watch season three of Melissa coming on for the first season.

00:35:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, like at the at the christ the Christening, and I watch it.

00:35:18
Speaker 2: It's like one of those rainy weekends that we had and I just was like and then I then I was pro to Teresa. I was like, this is weird and she is saying snarky stuff and why is And I'm like, why is he freaking out at the christening where he's like, you know, going crazy. I never understood that. Then Teresa says, oh, I found out that he did that because I had become famous from flipping the table. He went in wanting to bake a scene for TV to be iconic. That's what someone told her mother, who told her who knows there's a lot of telephone in this whole thing. So then I was like, oh god. And so I'm a strange from my sister. And I'm like, if I was on the Real House as of Woodland Hills and they found out even before we weren't strange, we'd have lots of like weird things going on. I'm like, one hundred percent they'd be crazy not to get my sister like and I and here I think, oh my god, I'm going to the third season. I'm enjoying this little bit of fame. I see my sister and and you know Joe, and I see Melissa and Joe at Christmas and I give them the Christening gifts, but like, I want to be the star alone. And all of a sudden, now she comes in and I know, because we've had issues in the past, she's gonna talk shit about me, my sister, talks shit about me, my sister all the other your flat ass and your chicken legs. She'd leave these long messages for me. She was just so mean, you know, And I'm like, but she was kind of funny too, so I'm like, of course, if I was on the show, she would be like, I'm the funny one, you know, but she never pursued.

00:36:45
Speaker 1: She's funnier than you think.

00:36:47
Speaker 2: No, I mean, we were all funny in my family, Like we're all funny. Only one of us went to the fucking Growlings and did stand up and went to college and like gott in the writers Guild. The other people were like, you know, going to the rocks and trying to you know, screw someone from a rat or something. I don't know. I'm just saying there are different paths for different people.

00:37:07
Speaker 1: Like one of us did it right and one of us, you don't do it.

00:37:10
Speaker 2: It'd been funnier, like if we were both of the exact same things. I don't know, but it's like, were you then no one was jealous of my.

00:37:15
Speaker 1: Sister because it is I think you're dealing when you talk about Melissa and Theresa and the family. Yes, I believe what both of them are saying, because I truly think that that is how they're picturing it. I know, although although we always say, like between what is it, there's there's always two sides and somewhere in between is the truth. But I believe both of them because I believe that they believe it.

00:37:42
Speaker 2: Well, I think that that's how it happens. I say, it's two things to be true at the same same time. I love that she didn't want who says it?

00:37:49
Speaker 1: Katie says that she didn't.

00:37:51
Speaker 2: Want her, She didn't want to share the limelight. She didn't who would, Okay, But then when Melissa gets on too fucking bad, I'm on and I'm good at it too. Doesn't mean she wished her sisters. They wished each other bad. But then there was a weird competition. I remember, like you know, all of a sudden, Teresa was like annoyed that she was using the same photographer for their Christmas card. Teresa's like, that's my photographer. I don't want everything to look the same. They were very much similar girls. So it was very much a competition of.

00:38:20
Speaker 1: The families in Utah, like very like very you're from a small place, and like you used my same caterer, you use the same photographer. It's like the weird competition that happens.

00:38:32
Speaker 2: And then also like the Teresa and in like small town Teresa and Joe only having each other. And then this other person told me that in Italian families, don't know this is true. In Italian families, sometimes the vibe is you put your I think you put your mother first, then your sister. If you're a man, okay, your mother first, then your sister, then your kids, then your wife. Oh and if you think about that, that is kind of the way Melissa has been treated, not by Joe, but by by Teresa, like I'm his sister, I'm his sister, I'm his sister. You know, at a certain end, when you have dysfunction in the family, like with my dysfunctional family, there was a lot where I just would have to take it, like when my sister would call, leave me messages or show up at my door or like just to yell at me, or like she'd be bitching about my parents. And I just remember I like hung up and took a shower and she just walked into my house to yell at me. What And my at that point, I'm married and like my husband comes from a normal family. So yeah, did I start to put my foot down after I got married? Yes? Did I do it because Peter made me no, But he kind of opened my eyes to like, I don't want to do this for another twenty years, right, And so I kind of feel like with Louie. The positive side of Louis is Louie bringing protective of Teresa, who's bitched about Melissa and Joe for two years, and he's like, this isn't healthy anymore. Or is Louie being like Santabal and alienating or from other people and being like I'm the only one you need now, Yeah, or it could be a little both. But it's weird and it makes a lot of sense because it's very much uh, you know, I've got you know, I've got people. I can threaten you, I can sue you, I know how to do this. Yeah, he's certain people just smart enough to be dangerous kind of a person, type of a thing that can really kind of They know how to make her life hell difficult.

00:40:22
Speaker 1: They know how to make your life hell, and they thrive off of it. I will say Teresa is one of the most iconic housewives to ever exist, right, and I think the only thing that anybody, even people who don't know her, just her fans, what do they call them, the tree huggers they want.

00:40:42
Speaker 2: To see called the tree stumps, which I thought.

00:40:44
Speaker 1: Was that was really funny, that was very funny, but just I don't want to see her devastated by that person.

00:40:54
Speaker 2: I hung out with them in Saint Barts and he really won me over. And I am not going to say anything necessarily bad about Louis my my experience with him. He was fun, He was very into her. She was extremely nice, cool, nice to fans. Nice. No, she's really really really nice. And they seemed very to each other and had very fun and they had a nice couple with them from New Jersey that aren't famous, and like we had a fun day, but like gregarious and nice, gets your number, follows up, you know, like with the guys, the husbands, and like, hey, let's do this let's you know, make a plan not a flake in the beginning, and you're kind of surprised they're not a flake because you think, oh my god, you know, yeah, yeah, And and you know who's also like that? Joe for instance, is that the from Girls Gone Wild? Yeah? And I like to have like I enjoy like, I enjoy that like high energy, like doesn't bother me.

00:41:50
Speaker 1: So I like the high end. Ye.

00:41:54
Speaker 2: And I'm never like, I've always been married, so I'm never like looking to dating these people, but I enjoy them. And so yeah, I think I have attracted those type of male friendships a little bit.

00:42:06
Speaker 1: But by the way, Heather, there's not one person on a TV show, on Housewives or any Bravo show that has the power to say I don't want them a part of it and to get rid of them. They don't they like the drama. If there's a housewive saying I don't want to deal with them more the reason to bring them back, do you agree with that or no?

00:42:25
Speaker 2: I don't know. Why do you think why do you think Renna got the pause?

00:42:29
Speaker 1: Why do you think why do I think Rena got the pause? Pause?

00:42:32
Speaker 2: Because I thought it was because it was because they wanted Kathy Hilton, and then Kathy we found out Kathie Hilton is no.

00:42:37
Speaker 1: I think it had no no, it had nothing to do with that. I think that there was a long conversation between Rinna and Bravo, and I think what she wanted out of her life because this can be very toxic, especially after you lose your mom and just the backlash and the death threats over a fucking TV show. I think they just came to a common understanding that there's nothing you can offer me right now that would make me feel like I can go back and my ask maybe too much, so let's just call it a day for now.

00:43:07
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like you're saying you think it was her choice.

00:43:10
Speaker 1: I think she decided this is too much for me. What can you offer me to make it worth it? And they weren't prepared to offer that. I think I had nothing to do with Kathy Hilton.

00:43:19
Speaker 2: I don't think it necessarily do with Kathy Hilton because she wasn't even on. But I don't know. I don't understand why why when fans suddenly turn on somebody, why that would make Bravo want to give them pause? Like I think that it should be the first No.

00:43:36
Speaker 1: I think it was a pause because I think that Renna also was saying like, I don't know that I like doing this anymore. I feel like I've been made out to be a liar when all I wanted to do was tell the truth. I lost my mom. I'm getting death threats because of the way I've been edited. I think there were a lot of things where in the big picture, it was like when both parties are not coming to an agreement, but they're not ready to call it a day, they say, we're pushing parts.

00:44:02
Speaker 2: What I also think is really weird about Housewist too, is like we all know what's gonna happen. You mean she's going to come back like next season, one hundred percent, when.

00:44:11
Speaker 1: The dust has settled. She needs a break, so.

00:44:13
Speaker 2: It will be a break by the time she comes back next season, and it'll, you know, and it'll be a whole big thing. Like these lips are back, they're clapping, But can I.

00:44:22
Speaker 1: Tell you something. Everyone sits there and talks about how they want to get rid of all these people, and they talk about their dreamcast, and you want to know what I see in their dreamcast? A bunch of good people who are so fucking boring I would never want to watch. Yeah, mark my words, this season's going to come out and everyone who was saying get rid of Lisa Renna is going to be like, God, can we get Lisa Renna back?

00:44:40
Speaker 2: Because if everyone's like cheering and having some yeah, you're right, we say, and then we we're not happy with like someone having an old way. I mean, it will be interesting because without having Kathy too, there's none of that with Kyle and Kathy, which is.

00:44:53
Speaker 1: Like, are people even still talking about Kathy Hilton. I haven't seen her anywhere.

00:44:56
Speaker 2: She's not in it.

00:44:58
Speaker 1: Oh she is.

00:44:58
Speaker 2: No, she's not doing season. She never filled one day of this season that we're about to watch wait see you so, But I'm saying, but without that excitement between the two sisters and their weirdness, yeah, that's a big bummer.

00:45:11
Speaker 1: I'm eating caviart and then like the Potato Bowl was awesome.

00:45:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I well, we'll see what happens.

00:45:19
Speaker 1: But I'm no, I'm excited to start watching something other than Vander pump Rolls. I'm exhausted from vander pump Rolls. It's hard to get me stimulated. Now off of anything, like unless you're banging. I'm not caught up on Atlanta.

00:45:35
Speaker 2: I watched the first couple and now I'm like four behind, and I'm saying, I feel like it's like homework. I don't know if I care that much. And I just saw a clip of Marlow and Candy getting into it. See I watch that was it's such a dark subject, though, what is it? Marlow's nephew like worked at Candy's restaurant and the chef like shot him.

00:45:59
Speaker 1: Yello, yeah, yeah, no, it is dark.

00:46:01
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:46:01
Speaker 1: Candy didn't want to talk about that.

00:46:03
Speaker 2: Second episode, Marlo brings it up and Candy's, yeah, it's pissed because it looks horrible on the location of their place and everything else and how sad, and she was making it like Candy didn't care to and Candy was getting real like.

00:46:16
Speaker 1: It's because Candy didn't want to talk about it on camera.

00:46:19
Speaker 2: Right.

00:46:20
Speaker 1: A producer stepped in chef with his arm in a sling, and the producer goes, are we going to address this? And she's like, I don't want.

00:46:26
Speaker 2: To talk about how there was that? And then this happened a couple of weeks, A couple episodes like, oh, there's.

00:46:30
Speaker 1: Two now that have been shot in the same restaurant.

00:46:32
Speaker 2: No, they weren't at the restaurant. They were at some other event and Marlow brings it up. It's okay, Candy and her got into it then. But I was going to say something else about New Jersey, okay, about bringing stuff on camera that you're You're like looking at your friend who's bringing something up on camera and like, you, motherfucker, why are you doing this? You know? Yeah, which I'm sure you've been in that position.

00:46:53
Speaker 1: I was in that position this season. Which thing and I'm not going to say what it was. But when Andy asks the question about has my friendship with Sena affected me and Katie? And there were things that were said on everyone's part, and I remember Katie and I made eye contact. I made eye contact with Sena, and I was like, I can't control either of you right now, just like you guys can't control the rest of us. And I was like, this could be something that comes out and I think, and again, no one talked about it. No one talked about it. When we wrapped for lunch, I said to Katie, I was like, that made me nervous and she was like, I wasn't going to say a thing, and she said, I wasn't going to say a thing. So that's what I'm saying is I have two questions.

00:47:39
Speaker 2: When you break for lunch, Yeah, what did they serve you?

00:47:43
Speaker 1: We had Mediterranean food, peta bread, chicken, kebab's, hummus tzeki.

00:47:49
Speaker 2: It was good.

00:47:50
Speaker 1: It was really good.

00:47:53
Speaker 2: And when you guys were leaving, it was still light out. You really shot that all in one day with daylight? How did that not go on for? Like? How many hours? Was that? That was pretty short?

00:48:02
Speaker 1: Then they said we were only filming for five hours, but I think they met. We were in our seats for five hours. My calltime and mine was actually a later at call time. I think only Arianna got there later than me. My calltime was seven thirty am and we and I was in the car by seven pm. And so the long day two hours of lamb. I started glam at four thirty in the morning. Oh you came glamor ready, yes, because I do my own.

00:48:29
Speaker 2: Okay, so you did glamor at your house and then you went okay, all right, speaking of New Jersey, Okay, okay, when Melissa, when do you remember from the season where Melissa goes meets Danielle and then Danielle says, Teresa told me to pull Margaret's hair, and then they go to Dolores's party and on camera, Melissa goes, you shouldn't be friends with Danielle because Danielle is saying crazy things like you you told her to pull Margaret's hair and Teresa did do that, and she knows there's probably footage of it with Mike's and stuff, but now it's out on the show and Melissa says it at the party, and that's when Teresa goes, she's so mad that this is looking so bad, and she hits all the solo cups and so I think that could have been Teresa's revenge on Melissa to go, I'm going to make sure that somebody else brings up the a legend making out in the car on camera before the season ends.

00:49:33
Speaker 1: Oh you think that was her doing?

00:49:35
Speaker 2: I think she I think, yeah, I think, well, she got the information and then you know, it was a lot of people telling it. You know, it was like and then she told Jenna or Jennifer new Then Jennifer oops, it slipped out of my mouth, and I'm talking to somebody with cameras all around, who's the new girl, Danielle. And then they were probably like somebody producers or somebody probably told Danielle, don't you think you should let Melissa know what everyone's talking about? Of course, and so that's why Melissa's like, oh my god, I fucking hate you, like we're done and we're not going to your wedding, like fuck off. And then I almost feel like that they may have, well, they may have wanted them not to attend like that. I think that might have been their plan, like, oh my god, they're still coming. Oh my god, they don't care that she's not in the wedding and they're still coming. All right, they're still coming, Like what are what are we going to do to get them?

00:50:22
Speaker 1: Now?

00:50:22
Speaker 2: She'll stay up and down. No, I would have wanted my brother, of course I would have. But I think there was like a relief, but no, Like again, I think both things are true. I think she would have been fine had they come, but once they yelled at her two days before, she was happy that they didn't, and they were like, we don't need to go. Damn if you do, Dan, if you don't, if if Melissa and Joe go. They're gonna be seen as pulling attention from the bride there. They're gonna be that their intentions weren't good.

00:50:49
Speaker 1: I think they got to call it a day. I think they got to call it a day on each other.

00:50:53
Speaker 2: Take a real break.

00:50:53
Speaker 1: It's no more.

00:50:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:50:55
Speaker 1: Do you think they will both? Do you think Melissa will come back?

00:50:58
Speaker 2: Yes?

00:50:59
Speaker 3: I think so too.

00:51:00
Speaker 1: I think and I think Teresa's going to lose it.

00:51:02
Speaker 2: I think that this. I don't want this to happen, but I think she'll get a one year pause.

00:51:09
Speaker 1: Who Teresa?

00:51:10
Speaker 2: Do you think Teresa will get a pause?

00:51:12
Speaker 1: I don't know all your predictions are right.

00:51:15
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know they have they don't have as start date. They don't know what's going on.

00:51:20
Speaker 1: All right, My loves, thank you, thank you. He's been it.

00:51:24
Speaker 4: It was fun being a part of this.

00:51:25
Speaker 3: I love it listening to Boss.

00:51:27
Speaker 2: Can I do some plugs.

00:51:28
Speaker 1: People, Yeah, obviously, I'm going to have you plug everything you want.

00:51:31
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be at the Tempi Improv this Friday and Saturday night with hilarious Christopherangola, and then I will be in San Diego June twenty fourth at Humphrey's by the Bay. It's almost sold out, but there is some tickets left. It's a big venue and it's super cool and I'm very excited to be there with Justin, Martin Hill and Chris and we're all doing stand ups. So that is that. It's that heathern dald dot Net Juicy Scoop every Tuesday, Thursday, Patriot Friday, the whole she Bank.

00:51:56
Speaker 1: You are Tuesday and Thursdays. Oh wow, your puzzle link bus. Thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Give Them All a Podcast only on Wednesdays. I love you guys. Have the best week ever.

00:52:11
Speaker 3: Bye.