The Show: Super Bowl LX Preview, Part 1

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Speaker 1: You're about to listen to a special edition of the Late Round Fantasy Football Show, which was recorded at Radio Row prior to this year's Super Bowl. If you want to watch it, you can find it on YouTube as well YouTube dot com slash at Late Round FF. The format is a little bit different than usual, but we hope that you still get a lot from listening to the show. Next week we'll be back in our normal schedule, but for now, we hope you enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in. Welcome In. It's the Late Round Fantasy Football Show, live from Radio Row.

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Speaker 3: Here at the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Jju and I both survived and we are here right now.

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Speaker 1: Barely got a foot of snow in Charlotte. Literally literally you know that. I said that we got a foot of snow on Twitter. Yeah, and someone responded and they asked, Grock if Charlotte got a foot of snow?

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Speaker 4: Is this true?

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Speaker 3: As if I'm lying?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: We got to photous know, but fortunately I was able to move my flight a little bit later on Monday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I made it out here. I mean, I am working on four hours of sleep right.

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Speaker 2: Now, I know, but we're going to power through. We've got a fun show today. We'll also be here tomorrow as well, and we're even doing some little player interviews. So make sure that you are continuing to like, subscribe, listen, comment wherever you will. And also big news if you missed it in the Friday newsletter, which by the way, go sign up a late Round dot com. We've got lots of good stuff coming in the newsletter. But if you missed it, the pre order for the Prospect Guide now available. So all your rookies, all your year two players and JJ this year, we have something new we do.

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Speaker 3: We are doing tight end profiles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and not just the scores, because the scores have been there in the past. The other thing too is that like in the past, I've had the tight end model and that model.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not been bad or anything, but it needs a little bit of work.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm working with grand and Goadula to make sure that things are looking good. And so he is going to be writing a lot of those profiles.

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Speaker 3: For tight ends.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I'm going to obviously be working with him on the tight end profiles.

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Speaker 2: But he's not gone rogue on tight ends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not ignoring the position I just need help because there's a lot of pages in that prospect guide. I mean usually we're looking at like one hundred and fifty plus pages in this thing. Yeah, and so you're going to get the running back profiles, the wide receiver profiles, the tight end profiles, and then the year two stuff is still going to be in there with the running backs and the wide receivers for year two. And I need to get on it. I need to start working on that thing more. I've been working on it, just not enough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean listen, when you're invited by the fine folks at the you know iHeart in the NFL to come to priority shift the Super Bowl week, then you say, okay, I'm to go, you know, yeah, we'll push it back a few days later. So yeah, looking forward to that. I know a lot of people out there are anxious to see what this rookie class is coming, and including myself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to be fair, I've I've done nearly enough research yet on this class to have takes right now.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean like it's it's a little bit later, but also.

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Speaker 1: We did give ourselves an extra week at launch, so it's middle of March as opposed to kind of like more towards the beginning of March for the release of the Prospect.

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Speaker 2: All right, and with that, let's get on to today's news.

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Speaker 3: Today's fantasy news.

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Speaker 2: All right, JJ, we've got today's news. First of all. First of all, we are here on that iHeartRadio set, the NFL podcast Network set. We made it like we just talked about the weather. I walked around all day yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I left you.

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Speaker 2: Stranded, yeah, by myself in San Francisco, and and I miss you. But I want to know, are you feeling any different now about the whole weather thing, because I feel like I asked the weather question about like weather games and stuff, and then we've had like bad weather.

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Speaker 3: Nashville. I hate all weather right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I feel worse for my wife, who I left to come here, and she's at home with my seven and three year old while they're off school. And I'm sitting here in front of this fantastic crowd of people. It's awesome living the dream, you know, just doing a show and talking talking ball and I'm gonna talk to some players and such, and so thank you to my wife for being at home with the children. But yeah, I mean like coming here to San Francisco. To me, this is an ideal climate. Yeah, right, so you get like low sixties during the day, it's always sunny, all that kind of stuff, and it's a it's a very good climate when you just got a foot of snow.

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Speaker 3: And you were in you know, twenty degree weather, Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about some of the today's news, and most of the news right now is is centered around coaching. Lots of lots of coaching changes, people accepting offers, people backing out of offers, people crying about offers. In a late round discord today, noted Giants fan Deep just he was in a state of disbelief because Matt Naggy yeah, was announced the offensive coordinator for the New York Giants.

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Speaker 3: Look, I gotta watch what I say here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of people that are part of the league around us right now. Okay, Look, it's it's an uninspiring higher, that's the way that I would put it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a.

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Speaker 1: Higher that I don't think Giants fans are excited about. And I think there's reason to not be overly bullish and excited about. I think when you have a quarterback like Jackson Dart. You're gonna want to pair him with sort of an up and coming, younger coordinator to kind of mesh with an older head coach who understands the leadership side of things, which is what you have in John Harbaugh. And if you look at the data with Matt Naggy, the last three years of him in Kansas City, and you know, obviously he took over for Eric the Enemy and now the enemy's back as OCA.

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Speaker 3: They've just been flip flopping.

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Speaker 1: But over the last three year here, let me, let me just read what happened with Eric the Enemy in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people are gonna hear this and they're gonna think.

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Speaker 1: Oh, well they had Tyreek Hill that No, Tyreek Hill was already in Miami at this point. So this is the final season with Eric Bienemy as offensive coordinator for Kansas City. And in that season they had a total EPA of two.

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Speaker 3: Hundred and one point four.

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Speaker 1: Their expected points added per play was point one point nine. Okay, and so then their success rate on offense was over fifty percent. Their rushing EPA per play was only minus point zero one. I know that's that's below zero, but rushing is less efficient than passing, which is why EPA numbers are below zero. Like that, for rushing, the rushing success rate was forty five percent, their pass rate over expected was A was eleven percent over expected. So overall that offense was was cooking with Eric enemy that final year, and then Matt Naggy takes over. Okay, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, and twenty twenty five, twenty twenty three we see him take over, and EPA per play goes from point one to nine to point zero two, and in the next two years with Matt Naggy point zero seven, point zero three. Okay, success rate overall success rate for the offense fifty point four percent with Eric the enemy, then it goes to forty.

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Speaker 3: Four percent, forty eight percent, forty five percent.

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Speaker 1: So essentially, what I'm getting at is, every single year post Eric Bienemy, it's with Matt Naggie, it's gone down.

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Speaker 3: It's been it's been worse, objectively worse.

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Speaker 1: And to me, it's not that I think Mattnaggy's gonna necessarily fail. It's just again, it's an uninspiring higher when you consider what he did with that offense versus a similar I mean, look, if you look at that twenty twenty two Chiefs team, it's Juju Smith Schuster and and marquezvald Is scantling catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not a very deep roster whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And now and then and then you look at what they had even last year, uh and even the year before that. I don't think there's been enough of a shift offensively for that team to warrant such differing numbers from coordinator to coordinator, And that to me is a red flag for this hire in general. But like I always say, you know, bottom line, with coaching hires, we don't know, don't We don't know. We have to be like we don't know things about projecting player performance in general and fantasy football. It's even more difficult whenever you're looking at coaching stuff because there's just so many layers or so much nuance. We don't know exactly who's influencing what, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But my overall vibe is probably the same vibe that a lot of Giants fans feel right now. They're just kind of like, why why can't it just be someone a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like they they were on cloud nine because they got Harball as their coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like he was the pick number one, which.

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Speaker 1: You know, I do think that the Harbaugh thing though, too. It's like was it a bad high or no? Was it like this excellent amazing, you know, like incredible higher. I don't even know if that's necessarily going to be the case. You know, it's partially because of what I just said about coaching. But you know, there's there's a lot of the data going around about like Mike McCarthy versus John Harbaugh, and there's not this significant significant difference between you know, when percentage and how well they performed, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Et cetera, and people will pooh pooh.

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Speaker 1: And I understand why the Mike McCarthy, uh, you know, or you know, getting getting him to head coach of Steelers, right, But they're not doing this the complete opposite vibe with with Harbaugh.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I think McCarthy is the better coach.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that when you when you're compare and contrast the two, it's not so so significant. I I'm just of the belief that if you really want to take a team to the next level, I I'd rather take chances on leaders and new coaches and kind of fresh blood into the system instead of recycling coaches who have already shown that from one regime to another or one you know, offensive coordinator to another, there's no improvement. It was actually the opposite with with Matt Naggie, right, and so you know, I just I think that that coaching staff in general, it's not as inspiring as I would want it to be, especially with Jackson Dark, who I think is one of the best young up and coming quarterbacks in the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantasy, guys. We need we we want the exciting, the you know, the sexy hire at.

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Speaker 3: The admitting that, yeah, maybe it's a blind spot, but it's you know, it's fun.

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Speaker 2: Well as far as other If you look the sheet that we've done in the late round, show like we're starting to fill in names both on the offensive cornertor side and the coaching side. You got Clint Kubiak and Mike Lafleur who are now for the Raiders and the Cardinals. So all the head coaching spots are filled. Declan Doyle announces the Ravens offensive coordinator. You've got Sean Mannion with the Eagles and Davis Webb with Broncos. So we're getting we're getting set to where the teams are know who they have.

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Speaker 3: There's some really interesting hires in here.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that, you know, if you want to start with with some of the coaching stuff, I think the Clint Kubiak hire was was pretty strong just in general. Obviously, you know we're here in San Francisco, Seattle is about to play on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: He's been you know, somewhat of an innovator in the way that I mean.

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Speaker 1: He does the things that we want to see offenses do in today's game, which is get receivers in space, move them around, lots of play action, lots of lots of motion at the line. Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, I would argue that he relies a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Too much on the run game, especially from like a password over expected perspective. But I think I think Kubiak is a is a good higher, like a solid higher. But again with head coaching highers, it's like we don't know what kind of leadership. Some some dudes are awesome coordinators, but they don't necessarily translate.

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Speaker 2: And that's important.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. And then the lafloor one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the track record of offensive coordinators under Sean mcmay, you know, going on in coaching teams, I mean you have guys like Zach Taylor and obviously Kevin O'Connell. I mean, there's there's a pretty decent track record of this.

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Speaker 3: H I'm expecting Nate.

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Speaker 1: Schielhouse to be more involved there now moving forward, and you know, he was already a name in this coaching cycle. I think next year Shieldhouse is going to be somebody that a lot of teams are looking at as sort of a you know, one of those young up and coming dudes who you know, again has been attached to Sean McVay and if you're attached.

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Speaker 3: To he's a sexy hire. When when is this going to end?

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Speaker 2: The Sean McVay stuff, Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Like literally anything in touches just end up turning to gold at least like perspective of what of what teams are are doing.

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Speaker 2: We used to have the Bill Belichick tree, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Sean Mcmahanah, maybe maybe he'll be a first bout Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, when the Saints go marching out, Because you talked about McCarthy, he thought he may had some guys. Scott Tolzen, though, is not going to be the offensive corner.

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Speaker 3: He was the passing game.

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Speaker 2: Coordinator there for the Saints not going and neither is Chase has lit the tight ends coach for the Saints.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of interesting because both of those guys would have been would have gotten promotions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, essentially, you know, I don't know, you like, we've seen this a little bit, like Davis.

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Speaker 1: Webb was an example of this, where you know, the fire offense coordinator, you just kind of assume that there's a promotion coming, even though Davis Webb was someone that was getting a lot of love elsewhere throughout the league, in around the league. But you know, with with this, these guys, uh, you know, maybe some sort of promotions coming, maybe something's going on. But I think that they just like the situation and it might speak to Tyler Shuck. Do you think like it could it could mean that they see they believe in him, Yeah, like they see something. Yeah, and they look at Pittsburgh and they're like, well they're in and well they don't even have a quarterback right now, but if they, if they are, you know, approaching and trying to get Aaron Rodgers, we don't want to be in quarterback purgatory.

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Speaker 3: We would rather we're already getting looks right.

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Speaker 1: Now based on what Tyler Schuck did last year and what this offense kind of morphed into last year. And that was without mind you, without Rashichi he gets traded mid season. Chris Olave stepped up and was this the target hog that we know that he is. That was an offense that lacked legit weapons. Yeah, uh, and they were still at least like getting it done to a degree. And I thought Tyler, I mean Tyler Schuck was shooting up offensive Rookie of the Year, uh you know, uh leader boards for from a betting perspective, you know, with his play down the stretch. So I think it might speak to that a little bit more like if you got Tyler Shuck in the third round of your rookie Super Flights draft last year, that's a good Yeah, that's a really really good value.

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Speaker 2: He was going, I mean, he was going late to the late round quarterback. He was going late, not even drafted in a lot of leagues then and being later on in there. As far as the Pittsburgh side, though, it might be the opposite where they see Taylor Shuck and they're like, yes, look, I've.

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Speaker 3: Been warming up to the Mike McCarthy hire a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: I will say, I do think that it's not a good signal, right, Yeah, these guys are not I'm good joining, Yeah, where they're like, no, we'd rather be with because there's a chance that Tyler Shuck isn't him right, And they're like, no, I'd rather be here in New Orleans on a team that's clearly not there are yet you know, we wouldn't say that they're there.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe there's a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit of a of an issue with how you know McCarthy is running that It could be a play calling thing too, you know, there could be something that going on.

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Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Steelers have filled out that coaching staff for the most part aside from what's kind of going on on offense, and we'll see what happens. But you know, I don't want to read too too much into it. Yeah, but I don't think you can take it as.

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Speaker 3: A good thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, here is a good thing in Pittsburgh, and that is the NFL Draft that's coming you.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: You saw the announcements. You're still saying no to going, buddy.

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Speaker 3: We just talked about the prospect guy. I know, okay, we have we know it's in Pittsburgh, though it's in your backyard here here. Well, we'll ask, we'll ask listeners.

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Speaker 1: Would you guys rather have me go and enjoy a night of the draft okay and be a day late with the delivery of this draft guy for the rookie ranks or beyond time.

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Speaker 3: And I think people will say, just be on time. Selfish.

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Speaker 1: You are my fantasy analyst. I don't care how good of a time you have up in your hometown.

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Speaker 2: In Pittsburgh's Thursday day one could be fun, But it does look like it's gonna be fun. You're you're Pittsburgh Nestes. It like when you see that picture and everything does it like it?

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Speaker 3: At least you don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't lose any part of it when you when you leave Pittsburgh. It's still always a part of the kitchen. It's always a part.

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Speaker 3: Of today's data.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're here with today's data, and you've got some super Bowl spreads for us JJ.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, there's.

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Speaker 1: Not that much depth here per se, but I did I was curious to see if there's any sort of like similar games that have happened historically in the Super Bowl. Obviously, this is sixty so there's not like a massive, massive sample size, but we do have, you know, spread data that dates back to basically all of them, I think the only only super Bowl one we didn't have a total, And so I looked back at all of that and I found eight different super Bowls that had a spread that was within a half a point of the one that we're about to watch. And we've seen five kind of over the last you know, since that that Ravens forty nine. I guess you can go to the Saints and Colts whenever the Saints beat the Colts in that Super Bowl back in the mid two thousands, but there have been a handful of games that have been within a half point of the one that we're about the watch. And what I found kind of interesting and this is, look, this is not predictive, you guys, right, Okay, I need to be clear.

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Speaker 3: This is not a more historical This is more just like.

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Speaker 1: An interesting thing to kind of look at, because I think that most people are entering the Super Bowl and they're like, Seattle's the better team, Seattle has the edge.

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Speaker 3: We got to give it to Seattle.

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Speaker 1: But we were saying and running with the same narratives for a lot of these other teams that were four and a half point favorites.

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Speaker 3: And they did not win.

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Speaker 1: The only team over the last five where the spread has been within.

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Speaker 3: Half a point of what the spread is for this one, which is minus four and a half.

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Speaker 1: Four of the five teams the underdog has won, you get the Eagles over the Patriots. You have the Broncos over the Panthers, you have the Ravens over the forty nine ers, and the Saints over the Colts. The only one that wasn't was the Bengals against the Rams, where that was tight.

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Speaker 3: You know, that was a.

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Speaker 1: Relatively tight game where the Bengals still beat the spread in that game.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, man.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna talk about what the Patriots are likely to do on offense, you know what the Seahawks are likely to do on offense, and you know we can kind of see how this game unfolds, but I'm not gonna be shocked based on what we've seen historically and just some of the research I've done. But this game is a little bit closer than people then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we'll be talking about these games and we'll be talking about each team. So we're covering the Patriots today, We're covering the Seahawks tomorrow. So with that being said, let's get on to the main event.

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Speaker 3: It's the late round, main event, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, we're talking about the New England side of this Super Bowl LX matchup, JJY, And so these are some key call outs that you've kind of created for New England.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I want to approach this from the perspective of like what I think New England's going to do and how successful they might be in doing those things. And this is based off of matchup and based off of what they do well.

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Speaker 3: So I just have a ton of notes. I'm going to go through them.

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Speaker 1: This is what I think will happen on the New England side of the ball when they have the ball and when.

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Speaker 3: They're on offense.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so first off, they're over three point underdogs for just the second time this year, which kind of crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone's made a really big deal about the schedule, and.

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Speaker 1: Here I am once again making a big deal in the schedule. But I've been on records saying that you can still see how good a team is based on how they perform against bad teams too, And New England's had a great point differential, et cetera, et cetera. Like they've done what they needed to do and more, and analytics agree that they're a good team. Like, I think New England representing the AFC is totally fine during a year where there are weaker AFC teams, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I just want to get that out of the way.

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Speaker 1: But they are over three point underdogs versus the second time this year. You know, if you look at overall pass rate for New England, that's not going to be super super helpful because they've been favored in a lot of games they played weaker opponents. Obviously, when that's the case, game script is in their favor, they're going to.

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Speaker 3: Run the ball a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: But Kitchen, they ranked top five in the NFL this year and pass right over expected. They saw over three more pass temps per game in games where they were underdogs this year, So I do expect them to have a more pass heavy approach. That's not just because of the way games script might go in the fact that they're underdogs here, but Seattle has by far the best EPA per rush defense in the NFL. They've been the best at stopping the run across the league. They're their top and rushing yards over expected per attempt allowed. They've been so good in the front at stopping these opposing running backs. And if you look at this on a game by game basis, only Washington in Week nine had a greater than fifty percent success rate on the ground against Seattle, which is bonkers. Only five teams finished with a positive rushing yards over expected against Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Only one team finished with a positive EPA per rush against them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy, it's crazy how good the Seattle defense has been against the run. So what that means is, so Seattle, they do have a good pass defense, they're they're the eighth best pass defense by EPA per drop back loud, but they're just so good against the run. When you combine that with New England potentially trailing Slash being in this kind of game script and the fact that they have a high pass rate over expected. To begin with pass rate over expected for those you know, because we throw this around all the time. Password over expected is looking at gamescript situations and seeing is this team more pass heavy than than a team typically would be in this situation? Right, So New England is more pass heavy, you know, in these situations than other teams typically would be.

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Speaker 3: So this is what I think could happen.

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Speaker 1: Drake may might just scramble a lot in this game because there's gonna be more dropbacks. That means that there's more opportunities for scrambles and Seattle they also generate pressures at the fourth highest rate in the league, despite blitzing at the fourth lowest rate. So what that means is they're getting pressure on the quarterback without having to send a lot of guys, which means they have enough players in coverage where it's going to be more difficult in the quarterback to find the open receiver. What happens then quarterbacks scramble, and that's what's happened against Seattle all year. Seattle's face the most quarterback scrambles of any team in football this year. So New England there's sixth in pressure rate alowed, but only and only Geno Smith, Tyler Shuck and Cam mood So two rookie quarterbacks, and Geno Smith, who had the worst season of you know in a while for for Gino Smith, uh with Vegas. Only those three quarterbacks were worse in pressure to sack rate than Drake May this year. So my fear is that Seattle's going to be able to get to Drake May and beat that offensive line. Drake May then obviously, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've seen that in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Drake May is going to have to do something under pressure, and it's not gonna be the easiest thing in the world to find that open receiver. So he's gonna scramble. That's what he's done, you know, throughout the season. So I think that there's a chance that he sees a lot of rushing yards in this game and a lot of scrambles. But there's also a chance that he's still sacked a lot in this game. Right, So if you're looking at at betting lines and such, you know, this is not a betting podcast or not.

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Speaker 3: I don't get line advice.

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Speaker 1: That's just not you know, not what I do, But I do think that this is a situation where I think the line was like three and a half seven Seattle.

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Speaker 3: I would take the over.

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Speaker 1: They've the Patriots have faced four top ten teams in pressure rate this year. Three of those four teams sacked Drake May four more times. So that's that's the over right in that in that kind of situation. So I'm expecting May to get sacked at least four times in this game, but also expecting him to maybe run the ball a lot and potentially, I say potentially is like a long shot actually lead the Patriots and rushing yards in this game because Seattle is so good at stopping the run just naturally and Ramandre Stevenson. I think, I think there's a chance that Drake May out rushes reminds as what this is, Okay, I say a chance.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean like a fifty to fifty chance.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm not gonna say, but if the odds are good enough, you know, if you want to bet on that, whatever it's I'm not I'm not going down that path. I'm just giving you guys what I'm seeing from from a spreadsheet perspective. The other thing that I think they're gonna do is. I think New England's gonna throw a lot more underneath. Drake May was arguably the best deep ball passer in the NFL this past year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but he might not have as much time.

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Speaker 1: For those plays to developed because of the pressure rate and what and the kind of pressure that Seattle can put on him. And Seattle was top five and two high safety rate this past year, So Seattle's not They're they're better at preventing those bigger plays and that's obviously something that Drake May has really thrived on.

00:24:24
Speaker 3: And this is from Brandon Goadula of Late Round.

00:24:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was doing a little bit of research for this and it was really really good and interesting stat But in games where teams showed specific safety tendencies, here's Drake May's adjusted net yards per temporrates. Okay, so single high when when teams generally showed single high the majority of the time, he had an eight point five to two adjusted net yards per tenpary. In a more balanced situation where it was kind of both too and single seven point seven to three adjusted net yards pert tempt when he's faced too high six point zero seven three games where he's faced the majority of the defense had two high safeties.

00:25:02
Speaker 3: I think that we're gonna.

00:25:04
Speaker 1: See fewer deep ball passes. He's gonna take his shots because that's what he does. He's a pretty aggressive thrower, and he's unbelievable at getting the ball down the field. But I think we're going to see a little bit more of a conservative approach through the air from Drake may in this game. Not just because he's a young quarterback in the Super Bowl, and that's a big deal inherently, but the other side of.

00:25:24
Speaker 3: This is just that I think the matchup dictates this.

00:25:27
Speaker 1: And if you look at what Seattle does defensively, they were thirty first and adjusted target share allowed to wide receivers this year, which means when teams face Seattle, they weren't throwing to the wide receivers at a very high rate, second lowest rate in all football. But Seattle ranked first and adjusted running back target share allowed, and they were fifteenth and adjusted tight end target share allowed eleventh and slot wide receiver target share allowed.

00:25:48
Speaker 3: So what does that tell you?

00:25:49
Speaker 1: Teams are throwing to their running backs so behind the line of scrimmage or close to the line of scrimmage, Middle of the field slot receivers, middle of the field tight ends, and Seattle faced the highest percentage of targets actually in the NFL behind the.

00:26:01
Speaker 3: Line of scrimmage this season.

00:26:02
Speaker 1: So I would look for New England if we're looking at this matchup. Okay, I'm not saying that like this is definitely because maybe they don't like this matchup or maybe I mean, I'm clearly could be looking at this wrong too, because.

00:26:13
Speaker 3: I get plenty of stuff wrong.

00:26:14
Speaker 1: But I would look for New England to use their running backs a lot of receivers in this game. I would I would look at them to use Stefan Diggs out of a slot. I would not be shocked if Diggs sees one of the highest route participation rates of his season, because you know, we tilted about this during the fantasy season. How Diggs would see, you know, a seventy five percent routes share, and then a fifty percent routes share, and then an eighty percent rout chair. He was all over the place. I think this could be a Stephan Diggs game. Like, I think that he could.

00:26:43
Speaker 3: See a lot of looks out of the slot, and.

00:26:45
Speaker 1: Just in general inherently, you know, closer to the line of scrimmage and being that reliable target for Drake May and then Hunter Henry in the middle of the field. I think is a really really intriguing player to watch because Seattle's.

00:26:56
Speaker 3: Been kind of okay against tight.

00:26:59
Speaker 1: Ends this year, not tacular, and that's something that the Patriots can do to kind of combat and beat this defense. So you know, I would look at those three being Steph Hundiggs in the passing game, Steph Hundiggs, Hunter Henry, and then I guess you have to say Ramondre Stevens because Travon Henderson played four snaps in the NFC Championship game. Now do I think that New England would be smart to And this is not a bye. I've taken the l with Ramandre. He dominated the final month of the season. He made me look like a moron. I get all that, But I do think that this could like the hypothetical Traveon Henderson right, It.

00:27:37
Speaker 2: Would be funny too if this was the week that he went off after we discounted him after last week, because that's kind of the story of the season.

00:27:44
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.

00:27:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I do think that Ramondre is more than capable, but Treyvon Henderson objectively has more burst and can career and generate big, bigger plays.

00:27:53
Speaker 3: Ramondre is a much more complete back right now.

00:27:56
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that Travion, you get him in space and you allow for.

00:28:00
Speaker 3: Some of that to work and happen.

00:28:02
Speaker 1: I think it can beat it can win against this defense in the way that Seattle plays.

00:28:06
Speaker 3: So you know, will they do that?

00:28:08
Speaker 1: I don't think that we can, like confidently if we had like one, like if we had two games of New England against Seattle and we could just see the snap rates for Ramandre Stevenson and Travion, then I could more confidently say this is the way that you know we're gonna fel about Trayvon Henderson. I think the matchup is there though, for receiving back to do some and and do some damage against the Seattle defense, just based on the fact that they were not great.

00:28:31
Speaker 3: Limiting underneath throws.

00:28:33
Speaker 1: And that's probably the way that this offense is going to need to beat them because that pressure is going to be in Drake May's face all game long more than likely.

00:28:40
Speaker 3: So key takeaways. Key takeaways. Okay, I know I just just spewed out a lot. All right, all right, I've.

00:28:46
Speaker 1: Been yeah, putting, like gathering data for like a week and a half now, and I just kind of threw it all out.

00:28:52
Speaker 2: There, just multiple times.

00:28:53
Speaker 1: Even yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, you guys. We're gonna talk about Seattle tomorrow. I had to redo the Seattle stuff on the plane on the way here because I had some tech issues, which was really fun. But yeah, key takeaways for New England in the offense right pass heavy approach. Seattle is very very good at stopping the run, the best in the league at doing so, and New England is a top five team, and pass right over expected given the spread, given the game, the probable game script here, I would be shocked if New England is not pass heavy in this game against Seattle. But then when they're pass heavy, I'm expecting more underneath throws, lower ad Dot throws to the backs. So Ramandre Stevenson, Treveon Henderson the slot. I think they're gonna throw Stephan Diggs in there a lot like this is not to me much of a Kishan Boudi kind of game.

00:29:38
Speaker 3: This is more of a Stephan Diggs game.

00:29:40
Speaker 1: And then the tight end, so Hunter Henry obviously being to go to maybe your boy Austin Hooper will get some some love or something or some random tight end like that.

00:29:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:29:48
Speaker 1: But then but then Drake May, you know, I think the final takeaway, he's gonna be pressured, he's gonna be sacked.

00:29:55
Speaker 3: It's it's you know, sets up that way for sure.

00:29:58
Speaker 1: I Mean, look in these games too, teams have to execute, you know, like like we could. I think we're gonna know pretty quickly in the first couple drives if New England's offensive line is gonna be able to hold up and be able to stop the pressure that Seattle's going to be bringing on that front, because Seattle's obviously, like I said, they're not They're not doing it through the blitz very frequently, and so we're gonna know pretty early on.

00:30:18
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, like New England could just like play well that's all.

00:30:24
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, but what I would expect is a fairly heavy pressured game for Drake May.

00:30:32
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be sacked, but I think he's gonna.

00:30:34
Speaker 1: Scramble a lot, So we could see a lot of rushing yards and a decent amount of rushing attempts.

00:30:38
Speaker 3: You know, this is also like it's the Super Bowl.

00:30:41
Speaker 1: There's always been this like sort of like, I mean, people have done research on this too, but just this is like general rule that quarterbacks throw their bodies around more whenever the games are on the line. We see this with Patrick Mahomes when he's in the playoffs. Every single year, his rushing numbers go up because this is it like if he throws his body around and gets hurt, well, that's that's this the last game of the year. So they probably are are more than okay doing that, trying to win a Super Bowl because these football players are built differently.

00:31:08
Speaker 2: All Right, So let's say that let's say that Patriots play well, yeah, let's say that they win. Okay, but let's say that you have to pick an MVP not named Drake May. That's a little bit under the radar, a little bit of a sneaky play.

00:31:23
Speaker 3: Okay, I think you could go.

00:31:24
Speaker 1: Look, I've mentioned the running backs are interesting, but I don't think they're going to go running back here because the run game is not going to be solid enough because Seattle can start to run so well. So then you look at the receivers, you could go digs. I'm going to lean more towards Hunter Henry. I think Hunter Henry could be an X factor in this game.

00:31:42
Speaker 3: Uh, you know there's.

00:31:43
Speaker 1: A matchup to exploit. So yeah, I'm gonna say my sneaky MVP for the Patriots is Hunter Henry.

00:31:49
Speaker 4: There you go.

00:31:50
Speaker 2: I mean they sneaky play again. This is not this is not a a betting show, So don't you know lock it in.

00:31:57
Speaker 1: But if you I mean, if you did, it's a super Bowl and people are listening to whether the podcast, theater, on YouTube, whatever. Yeah, like it's a super Bowl, like you can have some fun and entertain yourselves with like some ren and if it's like I just know that I'm not a betting expert.

00:32:11
Speaker 3: That's I'm a fantasy football yeah analyst.

00:32:13
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:32:14
Speaker 3: I like the sneaky play though.

00:32:15
Speaker 2: And another speaking of sneaky plays, another sneaky play that has presented himself many times over the course of his career just due to his position is coming up.

00:32:25
Speaker 4: Next.

00:32:25
Speaker 2: We've got Josh Johnson talking with us here on the Late Round Show. All right, we are live with maybe one of the mascots for the Late Round QB. It is Josh Johnson. Josh last year with the Washington Commanders and Josh you have been on a few teams in your lifetime a lot. Yeah, And we were just talking before before we went live, just about how how you keep your body Like your body is an investment basically for sure.

00:32:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like the body is everything because it's like I think the best way I can put it into an example, it's.

00:33:07
Speaker 4: Like a car, you know what I mean.

00:33:09
Speaker 5: You know, the great cars are great with the age, and if you don't take you can keep a car from like we into the twenty twenty six. A car from the seventies can work really well right now if you take care of it every day. Yeah, And I think that's the way the body is. You know, it's the engine that needs fuel and it also needs proper you know, it needs your WD four. You know, you got to really keep the joints warmed up and stretching is important. So that's probably the most thing, the most I spend time.

00:33:36
Speaker 4: On right now is make sure my body is proper.

00:33:38
Speaker 1: Let's let's let me ask you about the position that you play, right because obviously the biggest position in the game. What do you think an average fan just doesn't understand about what you do.

00:33:49
Speaker 5: They think we just come up. They just think we show up in practice and go home. They think our life is We think it's like high school. Oh you got three hour practice and you do nothing else. My days are in season or literally from six thirty until I fall asleep.

00:34:04
Speaker 4: Literally, like I'm in a building six thirty.

00:34:07
Speaker 5: We have a walk through at six thirty, and then you go your first official.

00:34:11
Speaker 4: Meeting is at eight o'clock.

00:34:13
Speaker 5: And know, everything prior to aid is optional, but you know, as a quarterback, you gotta do these things to be prepared.

00:34:18
Speaker 4: And so I walk out of the building.

00:34:20
Speaker 5: Maybe six thirty seven every day, and then I go home and watch film because I'd rather watch film on an opponent in my living room because it's kind of like my sanctuary versus just being in the building and watching film because I feel like I've been in the building all day, and literally sometimes I may fall asleep eleven thirty twelve and then getting up and doing again the next day.

00:34:39
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like.

00:34:42
Speaker 1: Your positioning and you being having been a backup for a while now, like what's the toughest thing that you have to kind of mentally prepare for and physically knowing that in any given moment this year, right this past year, any given moment you step in, you're is it the preparation you think that later you can't look because it's like we see a lot of these backup quarterbacks go in and out right like like they'll be a backup for three years in the league and then they're done. But you've been around for so long and there's got to be some secret sauce there.

00:35:09
Speaker 5: I think the sauce for me is literally like holding myself to a standard that like it kind of is borderline crazy.

00:35:17
Speaker 4: You gotta be a little bit crazy. You gotta be a little.

00:35:19
Speaker 5: Crazy because you gotta you gotta trick your mind to show up every day mentally like you're gonna play yeah, because and I think for me it was those moments when I did get to play, it really showed me like like all right, it's like wow, Like bro, you're gonna get in here and everything's gonna be moving really fast.

00:35:38
Speaker 4: You're not gonna really understand what they're gonna do.

00:35:41
Speaker 5: So you gotta you gotta be so prepared to where you can slow your mind down. You want your mind to really try to be slow so you can actually just breathe and just play a game because once, like typically I after the first two or three series, it becomes football. But those two or three series you first come in, it's so important because everybody looking like what is he gonna do?

00:36:00
Speaker 4: What's gonna happen? It's going to happen. And if you're going in the fourth quarter, now you got to make something happen.

00:36:03
Speaker 5: So for me, I'm trying to come in there and literally bring a com to myself first so I can be normal as possible, even though I know it's not going to be normal, and then be able to just make sure that everybody around me can say, all right, let's go play.

00:36:17
Speaker 4: He got it. Yeah, that's literally all I'm focused on.

00:36:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's free mentality. Yeah, it's gotta be Do you do you meditate it all?

00:36:24
Speaker 4: I meditate every day? Take you to the comapp?

00:36:26
Speaker 3: Does that?

00:36:26
Speaker 5: Does that?

00:36:27
Speaker 4: Is that?

00:36:28
Speaker 3: Do you think that's like a huge for sure?

00:36:30
Speaker 5: Like it was funny because my cousin Marshaan, you know Marshan, Ye, like when he was at he's at the height of his career. I used to always asking my cous like, how do you like run through that? How do you run through the sea gap and don't blink? He's like, cause, I just breathe. He's like, I take a deep breath before every play, and I literally just it centers me to do my job and then react. And literally when I when he said that, I just pursued it and then it you know, I was like, Okay, I found the comap. I meditated every day, do my tea minutes and I understand that. I understand like the zen state I need to be in. Once I reached that. Once I reached that state, I'm like, I'm good, let's go do that.

00:37:09
Speaker 2: Marshawn Lynch, your cousin. I want to know, did y'all have a race?

00:37:14
Speaker 3: Yeah?

00:37:14
Speaker 4: He beat me when we was little, but I beat him when we got older.

00:37:18
Speaker 3: I mean he does not. He's got a little bit more bulk to him.

00:37:20
Speaker 4: Now, don't tell him then.

00:37:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in a four or five three. I mean that's pretty good. My question is is this four or five three that was that was a little bit ago, right, so you know we're on as a quarterback there that's blazing right exactly. So here's my question though, because now you see everybody kind.

00:37:38
Speaker 3: Of fine tuning themselves.

00:37:39
Speaker 2: You know it's a game. You know they are gamifying the numbers. You think you could run faster than a four or five three if you kind of knew what you know now, then.

00:37:48
Speaker 5: For sure, I feel like, like just the technique of getting off and it's understanding the drive face for the first two yards. Like the worst thing about me when I was coming out, I did not I had a horrible get off, Like I did not know how to I didn't know how to start a race. I knew I can make up because I had a long stride and I had long legs, But literally, like right now, my get off will people probably be a lot better because I've heard the coaching points for eighteen years, Like I've hear our coaches and I literally they don't think I'll be paying attention, but I literally listen to what they be saying.

00:38:16
Speaker 4: I'm okay, that makes a lot of sense.

00:38:18
Speaker 5: And so I think now I don't know if my back end would be the same, yeah, but my first team would be faster.

00:38:24
Speaker 1: So you you mentioned obviously been around the league for a really long time, but you've also seen evolutions of the league, like when you first entered, a lot of like I mean, you had you had a lot of like like fullbacks out back there with you.

00:38:36
Speaker 3: You had a bunch of like two running back sets, and then like the McVeigh era kind of happens.

00:38:40
Speaker 1: You get a lot more eleven personnel, You get a lot of these these spread offenses. But recently we're seeing more of the heavy personnel.

00:38:47
Speaker 4: Come coming back.

00:38:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, this coming is that?

00:38:48
Speaker 1: Is that something that like you're consciously thinking about and see like it is it league wide? Like does everyone just like know that this is coming and happening, because it's it's my from from my I'll say amateurized, but like from my perspective, a lot of it is just the reaction to what defenses are, how defense are now built? Right for sure, they're they're they're thinner and faster and all that kind of stuff.

00:39:08
Speaker 4: I think you hit it right on the now.

00:39:10
Speaker 5: First off, I think this is a product where we're seeing the game trans form back to the old ways because the pass rushers are just like ridiculous, Like they literally are two hundred and ninety pounds running walked by here.

00:39:24
Speaker 4: It's like the biggest human man.

00:39:26
Speaker 3: I'm like, how couldn't any human being exactly.

00:39:28
Speaker 4: And they can't.

00:39:29
Speaker 5: They just they just try to shield them, you know what I mean. And you got to you gotta deal with those guys. And then he just one guy. Then you got TJ. On the other side, you got high Smith, then you got Herbert like and they literally sending five guys who really just want to get sexs because that's how they get paid. So so like seeing the game like go from under center when I first came in the league, because that's how I didn't. I never threw a quick game. I never threw a slam route in the gun until I got to the NFL.

00:39:57
Speaker 4: I didn't in college. We didn't do that.

00:39:58
Speaker 5: We took three steps and we threw a slam route, and so I had to learn how to do that. So see the game like go from under center to spread world when RG three and Cap and Rustling, all those guys came in the league and transformed the game to now see it go back. Like I joke all the time with the youngsters because they be thinking they're doing something new. I'll be like, bro, this has been done already, now it's coming back, and they'd be like, oh, we don't want to play that way. I said, you got to play that way because these pass rushers are just elite.

00:40:26
Speaker 4: They're the best athletes on the field.

00:40:28
Speaker 5: And I think in order to protect the lineman, in order for the run to me to protect your quarterbacks, because I think if you're dropping your quarterback fifty times a game in the.

00:40:36
Speaker 4: Shotgun, it's a different element.

00:40:38
Speaker 5: But for a linebacker and a safety, when the quarterback's under center and a running back seven and a half yards deep in the die, it's a different mentality. He has a seven yard head start to get to me, versus he's running sideways and his shoulders not square, and so the mentality is different. And I think it's smart by the coaches to be able to bring the old ways back because it's a.

00:40:58
Speaker 4: Grind on the defense.

00:41:00
Speaker 5: And I think, now now you know, to spread, everybody wants to score a lot of points in its great and looks flashy, but it doesn't run the defense out. And I think what we're seeing now, we're starting to find that balance again within the league of grinding the defense so that in the fourth quarter, those past rushers are a little bit normalized, you know what I mean, So the quarterback can drop back and see the defense clean and get completions.

00:41:18
Speaker 1: How difficult though, has it also been with the too high and teams running that as frequently as they are with these safeties just back like the splash players just aren't existing nearly as much anymore. So are you you as a quarterback, how frustrating is it that you have to just go to you know, just run like a five yard out and.

00:41:35
Speaker 3: You're just like, that's what we got to do here.

00:41:36
Speaker 5: So for me, I don't really care because I played in the old ways, the old ways that was normal.

00:41:41
Speaker 4: The new ways.

00:41:42
Speaker 5: It's funny hearing defensive coaches walk into like I played for some defensive coaches and I will get up there and they'll get a game plan and say, well, I don't really care if they rush for one hundred and fifty yards.

00:41:52
Speaker 4: I'm like, what right?

00:41:53
Speaker 5: Like, I wouldn't have never in my life Money Kiffin and my rookie year would have went crazy if he gave up one hundred and fifty yards rushing. Yeah, they like, we don't care if they're restaur one hundred and fifty. They're not gonna stick to it.

00:42:03
Speaker 4: They want it. They're gonna they're gonna try to throw bombs.

00:42:05
Speaker 5: They're gonna take shape, they're gonna take shots, and when they take shots, we're gonna we're gonna intercept them. And for me, I'm like, well, this is kind of how I was trained. Like me, all I look at it. If I get four yards, I get a first down, and I keep matriculating down the field.

00:42:17
Speaker 4: Eventually you're gonna have to get.

00:42:18
Speaker 3: Me what I want exactly.

00:42:19
Speaker 4: And once you get me what I want, we're gonna have our way. So that's just kind of how I look at Yeah.

00:42:23
Speaker 5: Thoughts on David blow As shout out to b blou Man, big, big shout out to him. Excited for him. I'm excited for his opportunity. He works really hard, he's a student of the game. He's very detailed, very detailed, And me and him got real close because when Tavda left, he became our quarterback coach and so when I was playing, me and him work literally worked side by side. So I think he's gonna be awesome. I think he's ready, and I think he's gonna be great for Jaden. I think he's gonna be great for the team, and I'm looking forward to see his opportunity.

00:42:53
Speaker 1: Did you think that, like there's been this shift in these backup quarterbacks like rising up the.

00:42:57
Speaker 3: Ranks quickly, like very fascinating across the league. You have Davis Webb now.

00:43:02
Speaker 5: Doing like shout out to dragons, young Dragon, Dragon Web It was my I play with him in New York.

00:43:07
Speaker 3: Yeah nice. And I mean even like you know, Scott Tolzen didn't he didn't take.

00:43:10
Speaker 4: It, Scottie and San franc.

00:43:15
Speaker 3: But all these all these backup quarterbacks are just sky like.

00:43:19
Speaker 1: Do you think that it is the sort of cerebral like the fact that you guys have to be prepared in a way that other players aren't prepared. And you guys just I mean the bottom line, you guys just know ball more than than the other player.

00:43:32
Speaker 5: All three of those names, all the three of those guys you just named, they literally students of the game. Like they can they can give it to you from a quarterbacks perspective, they can give it to you from a coach's perspective, from what the receivers need to do, tight ends, running backs, et cetera. And I think, you know, I'm glad the league is doing this because we need more teachers of the game. I think in the best teachers of the game is guys that being able to actually be in inexperience it.

00:43:54
Speaker 4: Because it's one thing. It's one thing. It's one thing.

00:43:57
Speaker 5: We call it clicking clicker pimping, like we it's one thing to be able to actually sit up there and wind it's slowing down and be able to say, Okay, why didn't you do this? But one thing is about the guys who played. They have that they have that discernment to understand, like, I see why you did that. I see that I saw the three technique get beat. I saw the three technique beat the right guard and flashed in front of your eyes even though he didn't hit you. So I understand why you had to why you had to change your drop or why you moved your eyes that way. And I think it's so necessary now because the league has gotten younger. You know, most of the teams are a lot younger than what they used to be. So you need guys in there who actually experienced it, who can teach it and also had that discernment and be like, I understand why you did that because everybody everything is a reaction and you know, you know, now we're so critical of the game.

00:44:40
Speaker 4: You like, why didn't he do this? Why didn't he do that?

00:44:43
Speaker 5: And I tell my fan, I tell exactly like I tell I tell my family all the time. Like you guys have been seen. You guys have been watching football from a lens of seeing it. Played it the right way for cut y'all watching on Sunday, I said, but you got to put in perspective. This is second year in the league, his first time being out there. This is all new for him. What's owed to you as a fan, it's new for him. So something that may seem routine not routine for him. He got to go through those limps just like everybody else did. It's not like we got Tom Brady's just sitting around here forty five everywhere.

00:45:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. It's definitely the exception for sure.

00:45:18
Speaker 2: All right, real quick, before we go, favorite wide receiver, you're thrown too. Ooh ooh, it's fourth down, it's fourth and gold.

00:45:29
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

00:45:29
Speaker 2: From the twelve.

00:45:33
Speaker 3: You get a lot of choices.

00:45:34
Speaker 5: I got a lot of choices, and I got them in different eras too, Like I played with Odell before the injuries.

00:45:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, I play with a look.

00:45:42
Speaker 3: If you want to say, Pete Odell. That's very accepted.

00:45:45
Speaker 2: Like Odell in his prime.

00:45:46
Speaker 4: Will make somebody man.

00:45:50
Speaker 5: If it's fourth and twelve on the red zone, yeah, I mean I need a high target who can catch anything. I'm gonna go with a young AJ Green Cincinnati because AJ literally can catch anything, oh my god. Like and he was like a center fielder, like he could put it. He could track a ball, put his head down, speed up, and retrack it. AJ Green was easy. Like AJ go out there running Fae real quick. I'm gonna throw a back short. There's gonna be a touchdown. So I'm gonna say, but no disrespect to none of the receivers I played with, because they was awesome. But it was four and twelve from the red zone, so I had to go out the six four target.

00:46:23
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thanks Josh, really appreciate you being all.

00:46:26
Speaker 5: Thanks for having appreciate it. Thank you all for educating on fantasy football because I don't understand.

00:46:34
Speaker 2: All right, So that was the interview with Josh. Dude, I'm gonna come Josh because he was awesome. He's he's a friend now.

00:46:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, so people didn't see like we were talking to him for like five minutes before five to get him to like his workouts and like your easy to get this on record.

00:46:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun.

00:46:55
Speaker 3: It was awesome. He was a super super cool dude, but it was it was fun.

00:46:58
Speaker 1: Like that's the kind of thing that I've noticed with with being here in Radio row and like experiencing the Super Bowl is just like I want to just talk to these players. Yes, we play fantasy football, and like it's very easy to not think of them as people sometimes, right because that's the game that we play, and no one's at fault for that's just like naturally how we play this game. We're looking at the kind of production they're giving us, the numbers that they're giving us, and so it is it is really nice to just because we don't get this opportunity to just sit down and talk to players and so hopefully you guys like enjoyed the questions we asked and kind of the insight that he gave. I thought he gave some awesome answers, but also like just know that like you know, before and after and such, like he was awesome.

00:47:35
Speaker 3: It was great to talk to him.

00:47:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, and tomorrow we've got some wide receivers that we'll talk to, including one who is just rising up the draft boards, and another who crushed it last year's rookie season. So stick around for that JJ. Do you have any closing thoughts?

00:47:50
Speaker 3: No, man, I'm just thankful that we're here and hopefully everyone enjoyed.

00:47:54
Speaker 1: I know, it's a little bit of a different show and a different format and stuff, and things will be back to normal next week and all that all that stuff.

00:48:00
Speaker 3: You know, I did the by candidate's episode earlier this week.

00:48:02
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, like, hopefully you guys are enjoying it, and you guys can can feel our excitement, you know through the show that like this is cool.

00:48:11
Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's cool.

00:48:12
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool having everyone around us.

00:48:15
Speaker 3: It's cool.

00:48:15
Speaker 2: So shout out to iHeart and the folks at the NFL radio or podcast network on behalf of JJ, I'm David. We'll see you next time here on the late round Fantasy football show piece. All right,