Ep:144 Return Of The Bigfoot Outlaw

<v Speaker 1>And I heard something going on. The problem with.
<v Speaker 2>Us, when we get to starting about something, we never
<v Speaker 2>actually finish it because we branch off into so many
<v Speaker 2>damn different directions that every one of them has very
<v Speaker 2>important meaning towards what we're discussing. In the first place.
<v Speaker 3>What we call a big wood in a sasquart we
<v Speaker 3>call them boogers in the South. I said, what the
<v Speaker 3>hell is that?
<v Speaker 4>This man is responsible for a tremendous amount of information
<v Speaker 4>that exists in the Bigfoot world, and is responsible for
<v Speaker 4>a tremendous amount of information that I spout off from
<v Speaker 4>my own mouth in the big Foot world. I've been
<v Speaker 4>thinking all day about how to introduce you, and the
<v Speaker 4>best way I know how I do it is my friend,
<v Speaker 4>my brother bear. How are you man?
<v Speaker 1>Man?
<v Speaker 3>I'm speechless after that introdiction. I just said, this is
<v Speaker 3>the only asshole I know.
<v Speaker 4>Who the hell is he talking about?
<v Speaker 1>How you doing that? Doing?
<v Speaker 4>Okay? Man, it's been a while.
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know that was intentional.
<v Speaker 3>You know, me and you've talked periodically over the years,
<v Speaker 3>but uh, you know a lot of things that's happened
<v Speaker 3>in the last four years.
<v Speaker 1>And it ain't the election.
<v Speaker 4>It ain't the election. Can't blame this one on government politics.
<v Speaker 4>Maybe maybe some other politics.
<v Speaker 5>But you know, back in nineteen ninety nine, I took
<v Speaker 5>a chance and called the guy I met through an
<v Speaker 5>obscure radio program.
<v Speaker 1>We used to get on them together and talk about boogers. Well,
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people don't know what the booger is.
<v Speaker 1>That's a southern bigfoot.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but yeah, and if you don't understand that, uh,
<v Speaker 3>just the word booger is not something up your nose.
<v Speaker 3>I mean pretty sure that throughout your family history somebody
<v Speaker 3>within your background has made mentioned don't go outside late
<v Speaker 3>at night, called the booger get you. But if you
<v Speaker 3>hadn't had the opportunity of living in the country, you'd
<v Speaker 3>never hear that phrase mentioned.
<v Speaker 4>My great grandma laughed and poked fun at me, you know,
<v Speaker 4>you know this about me going around chasing after Bigfoot
<v Speaker 4>with all these crazy friends of mine. And then as
<v Speaker 4>soon as she realized that Bigfoot was the Boogerman, a booger,
<v Speaker 4>she was all on board. Well, yeah, those things are real.
<v Speaker 4>Those are the old Harrymen that live up in the mountains.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's just like, you know, you're not talking about nothing.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know nothing about unless you are talking.
<v Speaker 1>About something you don't know nothing about.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that unintentionally has occurred several times for a lot
<v Speaker 3>of people throughout their lives.
<v Speaker 1>They just never pursued the Boogeyman.
<v Speaker 3>And I think a lot of it's because they never
<v Speaker 3>actually seen the Boogyman, but deal by the Boogerman. Sometimes
<v Speaker 3>you don't go looking for him and.
<v Speaker 1>He goes looking for you.
<v Speaker 3>And a lot of people that listen to this program
<v Speaker 3>they've run into things that they're not familiar with. And
<v Speaker 3>they wouldn't be listening to this program if they hadn't
<v Speaker 3>seen something that they have no clue about.
<v Speaker 4>Now as recent ass man that that sounds like an oxymoron.
<v Speaker 4>H you know, the early two thousands, whenever you and
<v Speaker 4>I started associating with one another on a regular basis. Uh,
<v Speaker 4>we ended up at a conference down in Texas. Back
<v Speaker 4>at that point in time, Bigfoot didn't even exist in
<v Speaker 4>the South.
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, we're all in Oregon.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we were told that there's something called a ponded
<v Speaker 4>ape that lived down here that was being mistaken for Bigfoot,
<v Speaker 4>but Bigfoot didn't actually exist down here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you kill me from going to jail at that, I'm.
<v Speaker 3>Sure a lot of people don't have a clue what
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about. But the one of the speakers at
<v Speaker 3>that conference, you know, had just written a book, and
<v Speaker 3>of course he.
<v Speaker 1>Was down there. Yeah, he was down there promoting his book.
<v Speaker 1>And you know in the book. And you know, I'm
<v Speaker 1>not gonna mention no names. I'll let everybody do the homework.
<v Speaker 1>But if anybody's ever own this book, you know, he kind.
<v Speaker 3>Of gororized all these different Harry apes all across.
<v Speaker 1>The United States, and each region had its own name
<v Speaker 1>for this particular creature.
<v Speaker 3>Only a lot of locations have many different names for
<v Speaker 3>this different creature, and it can make it very confusing.
<v Speaker 1>And I think you know what I'm talking about.
<v Speaker 4>There, man, Yeah, yeah, I mean, don't you think though,
<v Speaker 4>people are just really trying to cash in on their
<v Speaker 4>own brand for Bigfoot whenever it comes to that sort
<v Speaker 4>of thing.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, there's no doubt about that. You can see that
<v Speaker 3>actually happening today. You've got people who are in educational
<v Speaker 3>fields who can further this a lot further than it's
<v Speaker 3>actually being furthered. But a lot of people were actually
<v Speaker 3>happy because you know, it's not even being scratched at, right,
<v Speaker 3>And it makes me wonder at the times. You know,
<v Speaker 3>you you bringing up new scientists, people who are following
<v Speaker 3>you in your profession, and that's good and all great,
<v Speaker 3>but I don't see that many new names.
<v Speaker 1>I just see the same names over and over again.
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like you got an opportunity to take
<v Speaker 3>this a lot father than you're actually taking it.
<v Speaker 1>But then everybody will say, I'm ungrateful that you know so. Uh.
<v Speaker 3>These people that are currently putting their names out there
<v Speaker 3>and on the line.
<v Speaker 1>They're doing great work. But all I see is them
<v Speaker 1>promoting books that they self. Right.
<v Speaker 3>I don't see nothing about the universities they work for
<v Speaker 3>being even mentioned, other than you know, a PhD.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, maybe that's me being wrong. I don't think.
<v Speaker 3>So you got the opportunity to, you know, be screaming
<v Speaker 3>from the top of the world.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean so, whenever you and I met, you
<v Speaker 4>hadn't necessarily been part of the you know, Internet bigfoot
<v Speaker 4>community that long. It the Internet bigfoot community hadn't been
<v Speaker 4>around that long whatever we got started, but you had
<v Speaker 4>been involved in bigfoot for a really long time. Uh.
<v Speaker 4>Not trying to make you feel old or anything, but
<v Speaker 4>you know, you're pretty ancient and uh, but you you
<v Speaker 4>went out on a them and you reached out a
<v Speaker 4>hand to me, a young guy who was just new
<v Speaker 4>to the field and didn't really know anything extremely green
<v Speaker 4>at the time, but you weren't doing any gatekeeping. And
<v Speaker 4>I just kind of think that a lot of people
<v Speaker 4>are in the position to be opening doors and reaching
<v Speaker 4>out their hands to this younger generation and these new
<v Speaker 4>people and bringing them in and getting them interested and
<v Speaker 4>showing them the truth about the matter, and I just
<v Speaker 4>don't really see it happening.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>And I agree with you one hundred percent, And it's
<v Speaker 3>a golden opportunity that's being missed because everybody's expointing. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>the only way Bigfoot is doing any good for anybody,
<v Speaker 3>they're making people money and it ain't halving the damn
<v Speaker 3>boot in the woods a wick which you don't care anyway. Actually,
<v Speaker 3>you know, we do more home by exploiting him or
<v Speaker 3>trying to prove that he exists, and then we would otherwise,
<v Speaker 3>because I've said it a million times back in the
<v Speaker 3>day when we used to do bigs of outlaw radio,
<v Speaker 3>and I'll continue saying it.
<v Speaker 1>If it's proven to be a real entity and.
<v Speaker 3>That's not gonna make it any easier to view or
<v Speaker 3>see or go to the zoo and see it or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>It's not gonna make it any easier to find this thing, right,
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you.
<v Speaker 4>I had somebody just recently leave a comment on the
<v Speaker 4>YouTube channel I think is where I saw it, asking
<v Speaker 4>why are so many witnesses so concerned with proving this
<v Speaker 4>thing is real?
<v Speaker 1>That's true.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that there's anybody out there that can
<v Speaker 3>even actually prove it's real when you've got so many
<v Speaker 3>factors that don't want it to be real. You already
<v Speaker 3>behind the eight bought again with and naturally we're gonna always.
<v Speaker 1>Be that way.
<v Speaker 3>I know the show you cover a lot of ground
<v Speaker 3>now in your format and everything, things that I've never considered.
<v Speaker 3>But people the government has allowed, to a certain extent,
<v Speaker 3>the knowledge that UFOs might be real, Right, all right?
<v Speaker 1>Has that showed.
<v Speaker 3>Anybody any clearer pictures of a UFO or is it
<v Speaker 3>the same old pictures going around the internet.
<v Speaker 1>It's the same old pictures.
<v Speaker 4>It's probably even muddy, the water is even more so.
<v Speaker 3>It has There's no doubt in my mind it has.
<v Speaker 3>Because see, once you admit to something that you've denied
<v Speaker 3>for so long to I mean, there's more factors involved
<v Speaker 3>here than a lot of people.
<v Speaker 1>Stopped and take the time think about. They want to.
<v Speaker 3>See what the general reaction of the public is going
<v Speaker 3>to be in a general overall consensus. Have you seen
<v Speaker 3>any panic in the streets because they finally.
<v Speaker 1>Needed this deal both the UFOs.
<v Speaker 4>No, But in fairness there, you know, and I don't
<v Speaker 4>want to go down this rabbit hole, but there there
<v Speaker 4>is a bit of reaction to drones all of a sudden.
<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, are they really drones? What is
<v Speaker 1>the word UFO?
<v Speaker 3>And hell, I can't even keep up with the acronyms
<v Speaker 3>for what damn that is over my.
<v Speaker 4>So this is something that comes up in my own
<v Speaker 4>train of thought quite a bit, and I've touched on
<v Speaker 4>it once or twice on this show and maybe some others.
<v Speaker 4>But you know, the whole government conspiracy, the government cover
<v Speaker 4>up thing, you know, obviously a hot topic whenever it
<v Speaker 4>comes to Bigfoot and the UFO stuff and anything else
<v Speaker 4>involving the unexplained. But when you have people like yourself
<v Speaker 4>who maybe not so much in recent years, but previously,
<v Speaker 4>I mean, we had this little podcast called big Foot
<v Speaker 4>out law radio that you mentioned. You were pretty well
<v Speaker 4>known in the bigfoot world, pretty vocal about the information.
<v Speaker 4>Like I said earlier, a lot of your information has
<v Speaker 4>been used and now applied by other people who may
<v Speaker 4>have rolled their eyes and laughed about it in the past.
<v Speaker 1>But that's we run across a lot of people like
<v Speaker 1>that over the years. But keep going.
<v Speaker 4>Has the government ever approached you and tried to shut
<v Speaker 4>you up or keep you quiet?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that they have, but I've had some
<v Speaker 3>strange things happen when certain circumstances occurred due to my
<v Speaker 3>presence in the community. A number of people over the
<v Speaker 3>years have gotten in contact with me, which you know
<v Speaker 3>now I don't. I'm not as successful as it used
<v Speaker 3>to be, and there's a major reason for that, and
<v Speaker 3>you already knew it. A lot of people don't realize
<v Speaker 3>that the government has monitoring everything everything. I had an
<v Speaker 3>incident where a gentleman called me and said he knew
<v Speaker 3>where there was a body of one on the border
<v Speaker 3>between Kentucky and.
<v Speaker 1>Tennessee Berry many years ago. By this gentleman, there was fishing.
<v Speaker 3>On one of these numerous creeks that flowed across the border.
<v Speaker 3>Up there, don't know the location, kind of have an
<v Speaker 3>idea where, but have it never been there.
<v Speaker 1>He was totally serious about this, and when he got
<v Speaker 1>a holde of me, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Of course, I knew I couldn't do it on my own,
<v Speaker 3>so I called two or three other people about it.
<v Speaker 3>And it was strange. It was something like a week
<v Speaker 3>before we had just replaced our computer system in the
<v Speaker 3>house and a brand new system, even had to have
<v Speaker 3>a technician come almost one hundred and twenty miles away
<v Speaker 3>to set it up and everything. And when I was
<v Speaker 3>making these phone calls about this body that was buried
<v Speaker 3>from a third party, I started hearing some strange things
<v Speaker 3>on the phone. It was like it was a double
<v Speaker 3>click at the end of a conversation or something like this.
<v Speaker 3>Am I being paranoid? That's the first thing I thought of.
<v Speaker 3>I said, yeah, you just being paranoid.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 3>About that time, we had an electrical storm hit in
<v Speaker 3>our general neighborhood and it hit the transformer caddy corner
<v Speaker 3>to where my house was. Well, when it did, it
<v Speaker 3>had a feedback and it burned back and burned up
<v Speaker 3>everything in the house.
<v Speaker 1>Of course, I had insurance claim on it and everything.
<v Speaker 3>Had the tech come back down set up a new
<v Speaker 3>system the whole nine yards. Uh, while the AT.
<v Speaker 1>And T, which was the phone service, was using Bell South.
<v Speaker 3>They come up to the house and they said, sir,
<v Speaker 3>has anybody been fooling or tampering with your.
<v Speaker 1>Phone box out here?
<v Speaker 3>And I said, no, sir, there's no reason for anybody
<v Speaker 3>to miss with phone box.
<v Speaker 1>The heck.
<v Speaker 3>Actually I knew where it was at, but I didn't
<v Speaker 3>make nobody else knew where it was at.
<v Speaker 1>And uh, I said, one of what's going on?
<v Speaker 3>He said, it looked like somebody has put a trace
<v Speaker 3>on your telephone line. I said, huh, I said, are
<v Speaker 3>you joking me? He said, I'm not supposed to be
<v Speaker 3>telling you this, but you know, I just wanted you
<v Speaker 3>to know that this is not right. And uh, had
<v Speaker 3>y'all been fooling with the telephone? I said no, we
<v Speaker 3>hadn't even done anything. He said, does anybody come out
<v Speaker 3>here that you know of it missed with your telephone?
<v Speaker 1>Said no, not that I know of.
<v Speaker 3>On the way to my house, there was a section
<v Speaker 3>of land that was right across the highway that was
<v Speaker 3>a pasture, and in that pasture was the only road
<v Speaker 3>he had an access that drives up to the top
<v Speaker 3>of the hill. It was kind of growed up where
<v Speaker 3>this little uh roadbed was going to an old barn
<v Speaker 3>on top of that hill. But I that's when I
<v Speaker 3>started thinking about some things. And uh, they've been a
<v Speaker 3>strange pickup truck parked out there on that little road
<v Speaker 3>for the last two or three weeks. And I never
<v Speaker 3>said anything to my wife about it at the time,
<v Speaker 3>But you know, when he said what he did about
<v Speaker 3>the dirt, somebody was tampering with my telephone.
<v Speaker 1>Line, and I'm c was in regard which direction to look.
<v Speaker 3>I started thinking about anything strange and underwaters in the neighborhood, and.
<v Speaker 1>That topped in mine.
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't until the week after that they didn't park.
<v Speaker 1>Down at the end of the road anymore. But I kind.
<v Speaker 3>Of got scared about that deal because I can hang
<v Speaker 3>with anything I can look at and see with my
<v Speaker 3>old eyes, But if I don't know who's looking at
<v Speaker 3>me over my shoulder or from.
<v Speaker 1>My back, that kind of books the hell out of me.
<v Speaker 1>So I backed off big time from that deal.
<v Speaker 3>Now, whatever come of that body buried, it must still
<v Speaker 3>be in the ground.
<v Speaker 1>And that's all I know about that one, because I've
<v Speaker 1>never followed up on it or nothing else.
<v Speaker 3>I talked to the gentleman one other time, told him
<v Speaker 3>what I suspected was going on and that I did
<v Speaker 3>not want no part of it. And actually that's about
<v Speaker 3>the time of dawn double clicks on the phone quit.
<v Speaker 3>One other incident occurred, same things with that computer and
<v Speaker 3>the tech coming from Memphis. We got to talk in
<v Speaker 3>one night on our uh it was it used to
<v Speaker 3>be parall talk. A lot of people don't know what
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about because it's not even in existence anymore.
<v Speaker 1>But we could get together and communicate with each other.
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like a zoom.
<v Speaker 3>Talk now, only was did not have the camera capability
<v Speaker 3>at that point in time. That's how we all got
<v Speaker 3>to know each other and UH from all over the country,
<v Speaker 3>which has been the only major benefit out of this
<v Speaker 3>whole deal.
<v Speaker 1>This strangers getting to.
<v Speaker 3>Meet together and compare ideas and thoughts and notions on
<v Speaker 3>how to screw this situation up. Then it really actually
<v Speaker 3>but that last instant that I can't remember what it
<v Speaker 3>was about, but the computer quit working. Well, I called
<v Speaker 3>the computer people blah blah blah. Then they said, you
<v Speaker 3>gotta have tick, come down, look at I can't remember
<v Speaker 3>what I was talking about. I think we was even
<v Speaker 3>actually talking about the government. That may have been the case,
<v Speaker 3>because we would periodically have our little say about the
<v Speaker 3>government on this deal. And uh, anyhow, this guy drives
<v Speaker 3>all the way from freddie manshis comes into the house,
<v Speaker 3>moves this. It fells like five hundred pound calms so
<v Speaker 3>to move to the computer around so we can get
<v Speaker 3>to the back of it.
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, we're wrong with the sucker. It
<v Speaker 1>was unplugged, unplugged, unplugged. It wasn't unplugged at the power source.
<v Speaker 1>It was unplugged at the computer. You know it. It
<v Speaker 1>ain't easy to plug in and unplug one of those plugs.
<v Speaker 3>Somebody physically and I killed about it.
<v Speaker 1>I said, how'd that happened to? The mouse has done?
<v Speaker 1>It crawled on the little say.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I ain't saying I got mice in the house,
<v Speaker 3>but I'm trying to think of a reason. We didn't
<v Speaker 3>have a cat. We didn't have a dog, not in
<v Speaker 3>that bedroom for sure. And we keep the door shut
<v Speaker 3>on that bedroom all the time. That's where we kept
<v Speaker 3>the main console.
<v Speaker 1>Everything.
<v Speaker 3>He said, somebody's unplugged it physically. That's the only way
<v Speaker 3>you can do this. And I looked at.
<v Speaker 1>My wife and I knew, you know, that was a
<v Speaker 1>little bit.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm not married when I'm married, no more.
<v Speaker 3>But I bet she wasn't one hundred and ten pounds
<v Speaker 3>soaking wit And there was no way she picked up
<v Speaker 3>that console and moved it, which you know, when I
<v Speaker 3>looked at her, she said, don't even.
<v Speaker 1>Look at me.
<v Speaker 3>There's no way I could move that paint. And I said, well,
<v Speaker 3>I didn't move it. And that's when the hair stood up,
<v Speaker 3>them short hair stood up on the back of my
<v Speaker 3>neck again, And I said, okay, okay, but you know,
<v Speaker 3>ten in the last five, fifteen, twenty years, they don't
<v Speaker 3>embarrassed Bigfoot so much and made him such a damn
<v Speaker 3>joke on TV. I don't thin nobody had they done
<v Speaker 3>took the threat of this being a national crisis smooth
<v Speaker 3>out the government fans.
<v Speaker 1>Because big for the joke.
<v Speaker 4>Now, yeah, I think you would have to physically have
<v Speaker 4>a body in your possession for them to even worry
<v Speaker 4>about it.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I had a buddy remember when oh what's
<v Speaker 3>his name was trying to sell that body years ago?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Rick d hate did his name.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had a connection in Atlna.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people don't.
<v Speaker 3>Don't forget that that body was supposedly found in Georgia.
<v Speaker 3>He works for the FBI. I don't know what he's doing.
<v Speaker 3>Now you know who I'm talking about.
<v Speaker 1>We discussed this for He.
<v Speaker 3>Called me up and all he said was I'm I
<v Speaker 3>pay for on. The first thing I said to him
<v Speaker 3>was where in the hell did you try to pay for?
<v Speaker 3>Of course, he laughed at me. He said, look, bear,
<v Speaker 3>I ain't got along. I can't say much, but I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna speak.
<v Speaker 1>Said, go ahead. He said, there is nobody. I said,
<v Speaker 1>what do you mean?
<v Speaker 3>He said, they've been looking every place that he's got
<v Speaker 3>a rental or shed or barn or everything. He said,
<v Speaker 3>there is nobody. All of this is b s I
<v Speaker 3>he gole, tell you what be his means. I hope
<v Speaker 3>everybody figured that one out.
<v Speaker 1>But I got that from the source. And today I
<v Speaker 1>got that news from the source. Who did I call first? Yep?
<v Speaker 1>How do you know? Mare? I ain't saying for me.
<v Speaker 1>I just said, we got connections.
<v Speaker 4>Guys.
<v Speaker 3>When you do this, you make connections, and those.
<v Speaker 1>Connections are still there.
<v Speaker 3>We just don't we just now know how to use them.
<v Speaker 1>And we don't let ignorant run us anymore.
<v Speaker 4>For people that are, you know, tuning in and listening
<v Speaker 4>to this episode and thinking, what the hell are these
<v Speaker 4>guys talking about? Who is this guy? How old were
<v Speaker 4>you whenever you find out that bigfoot was a thing.
<v Speaker 3>Well it's kind of a funny question there, because one
<v Speaker 3>pete in me and my brother's bedroom window a little
<v Speaker 3>We was six years old, but nobody had come clean
<v Speaker 3>to me then about what this thing was. Had another
<v Speaker 3>incident when me and my brother and sister were older.
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember whether I was ten or twelve of nineteen.
<v Speaker 3>I was around ten at ten.
<v Speaker 1>Years of age. You don't remember when your birthday was.
<v Speaker 3>When you see a booger, I promise you it'll take
<v Speaker 3>it all the way from me.
<v Speaker 1>All you do is remember the incident. And when that occurred.
<v Speaker 3>I guess my grandfather figured out that me and my
<v Speaker 3>brother was old enough to share something with us, and
<v Speaker 3>that's when he told us one had tried to chase
<v Speaker 3>him and his mule back in the thirties while he
<v Speaker 3>was his words, not mine, courting my grandmother, and that's
<v Speaker 3>when he told me and my brother, how long hit
<v Speaker 3>one of these things.
<v Speaker 1>But when he give us this little conversation, he also.
<v Speaker 3>Told us, don't tell nobody.
<v Speaker 1>They will ridicue you. He didn't use ridicule were kids.
<v Speaker 3>They will make fun of you, They will laugh at you,
<v Speaker 3>they will call you names.
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah. But why, Papa, why he said, just
<v Speaker 1>don't do it. I found out the hard way in school.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going through all that again over there.
<v Speaker 3>It's, you know, the episode on one of these shows
<v Speaker 3>I used to do, but I messed up and made
<v Speaker 3>mentioned another because I thought I was impressing the teacher
<v Speaker 3>in school.
<v Speaker 1>And heck, I didn't even get the story out of my.
<v Speaker 3>Mouth good enough for I was laughing stock of the
<v Speaker 3>second grade. But luckily my mom remarried and we moved
<v Speaker 3>a year later, so that reputation left.
<v Speaker 1>All them kids such a good damn vain they forgotten.
<v Speaker 1>If I run into in.
<v Speaker 3>Those kids today and they'd walked up to me and
<v Speaker 3>start laughing, I don't know what I did.
<v Speaker 1>Probably run I ain't the grizzly bear used to be.
<v Speaker 1>I ain't got al.
<v Speaker 4>So then we're going to fast forward a little bit.
<v Speaker 4>You were out hunting and had an incident. These stories
<v Speaker 4>have been told people a thousand times. I'm not gonna
<v Speaker 4>make it bear to go through all of that again.
<v Speaker 4>But the story of the Bigfoot, whenever you were hunting,
<v Speaker 4>it had a lot of information there to unpack it.
<v Speaker 1>Do.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's amazing because you know these people and I
<v Speaker 3>must say this to.
<v Speaker 1>Man, they all into Bigfoot. I know his real.
<v Speaker 3>Life, seeing him blah blah blah, so far saw then
<v Speaker 3>when it gets too hot in the kitchen, they disappear.
<v Speaker 3>But you can't forget about this thing if you've really
<v Speaker 3>seen him. I'm being honest here. How can you un
<v Speaker 3>see something that don't exist? But then when you see
<v Speaker 3>him and then you see him again, then you see
<v Speaker 3>him again, and then you see him again, and.
<v Speaker 1>You see him in a way you ain't never seen
<v Speaker 1>him before you go through it.
<v Speaker 3>It's just like a mini movie that plays in your mind.
<v Speaker 3>There was this what they call a cane thicket, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like sugar cane, but don't think that organized.
<v Speaker 1>This is wild cane.
<v Speaker 3>Evidently, sometime in the past somebody on this whole creek
<v Speaker 3>bank where I was hunting, had an old cabin there
<v Speaker 3>and uh, they transported in some cane. And when that
<v Speaker 3>when you plant that stuff, specially in the temperate south,
<v Speaker 3>it multiplies. Man, what are you talking about? Anyhow, there's
<v Speaker 3>this huge cane thicket along the edge of this creek. Think,
<v Speaker 3>of course, the cabin's not there no more, but the
<v Speaker 3>cane's still there. It's proliferated.
<v Speaker 1>It ain't gonna miss.
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I'd been there all morning, and I
<v Speaker 3>kind of got bored, so I cried down from the stand.
<v Speaker 3>And I had seen a big book was crawling into
<v Speaker 3>this swordbean field that I was hunting on the border
<v Speaker 3>of and uh, dear trail run right by this sugar
<v Speaker 3>cane or this cane ticket. And uh, I was just
<v Speaker 3>gonna walk around the cane ticket, because in amongst that
<v Speaker 3>ticket there was there's this blackjacked oak tree on the
<v Speaker 3>bank of this creek. And uh, there's a huge tree
<v Speaker 3>had been there forever and a big, big, big had
<v Speaker 3>big old limbs on it. And now I was envision
<v Speaker 3>and all the time I was sitting in my stand,
<v Speaker 3>why don't I just put a tree stand in that big.
<v Speaker 1>Tree in the middle of the cane thicket.
<v Speaker 3>A deer will never look over that way because of
<v Speaker 3>how the cane is. So I got down that train
<v Speaker 3>and I went over there that cane ticket, and I
<v Speaker 3>got a looking at it and walked around the corner
<v Speaker 3>of it, and just prior to getting to the creek bank.
<v Speaker 1>There was an opening in there. It wasn't much of an.
<v Speaker 3>Opening, about six foot high tall maybe, but that was
<v Speaker 3>because whatever made opening hadn't trunk down off the cane
<v Speaker 3>going into it, and you know, hadn't let it grow
<v Speaker 3>back up it just the neighbor and uh cans had grew.
<v Speaker 1>Up the path that went in and out of this borger.
<v Speaker 3>We was pretty well to find a little trail, and
<v Speaker 3>I said, looking here, man, you know them now there
<v Speaker 3>probably that nothing in turn. I decided then and there
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna go in there and see if I
<v Speaker 3>could go through that ticket to get to that big
<v Speaker 3>old coat tree in the middle of it. I started
<v Speaker 3>getting in there, stooped over, but then it started getting
<v Speaker 3>narrower and I better win in it, maybe six or
<v Speaker 3>seven yards. I deal in yards, not see because I
<v Speaker 3>used to play football. I build houses too, but I'd
<v Speaker 3>rather deal in yardage because people get yardage and footage
<v Speaker 3>mixed up. When I hear something I say I wanted
<v Speaker 3>but three feet away from a big Foot.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting there, sitting there.
<v Speaker 3>Saying, tell myself, you may have there three yards away
<v Speaker 3>from him, but if you was three eat from Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>He could have swallowy. Yeah. I mean, And that makes.
<v Speaker 3>A big difference when you're trying to tell a story,
<v Speaker 3>especially to an investigator or a researcher, because if you
<v Speaker 3>get your footage.
<v Speaker 1>Rome, that can make something way off.
<v Speaker 3>How can you say that this sucker is twelve fourteen
<v Speaker 3>foot tall if you don't even know what three feet is, right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I mean literally furgatively the whole nine yards.
<v Speaker 1>That's another big fallacy about it. Another thing I.
<v Speaker 3>Hate about Bigfoot is when you start something, you get
<v Speaker 3>on other tangents.
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm going back to where I was at.
<v Speaker 4>You never do that, though.
<v Speaker 3>I got in on my hands and knees, and then
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, that straight trail that your average
<v Speaker 3>animal tapes to go from point A to point B,
<v Speaker 3>he didn't go straight in that parendig.
<v Speaker 1>This sucker turned back to my left very sharp.
<v Speaker 3>I said, huh, I come to this spot and it
<v Speaker 3>looked like it was nothing but a wall of cain
<v Speaker 3>in front of me. So I got to look at
<v Speaker 3>the other riding. Then I looked at the leith, looked
<v Speaker 3>through the left. I could see it being back on itself.
<v Speaker 3>I said, what in the hell is going on here?
<v Speaker 3>I mean, my warning bells going off? Talking about them
<v Speaker 3>short hairs on the back of my neck, they're going off.
<v Speaker 3>So while we're talking about this thing, I look at
<v Speaker 3>this and I said, dear, idn't do this, but something's
<v Speaker 3>making a trail in here. So I turned to the
<v Speaker 3>left on my hands and knees with my gun on
<v Speaker 3>holding it in my right hand. I'm picking up my
<v Speaker 3>barrels clean of the.
<v Speaker 1>Dirt in the ground. I was raised with a gun.
<v Speaker 1>I know how to handle a.
<v Speaker 3>Gun, and I was being as safe as they could be.
<v Speaker 3>And I was scared crackless because.
<v Speaker 1>Not only did this trail go in there to the left,
<v Speaker 1>just turned back to the right. Now, if you will
<v Speaker 1>envision in your mind the letter.
<v Speaker 3>In backwards, Yeah, that's the type trail it was in
<v Speaker 3>that cane thicket, the letter in backwards.
<v Speaker 1>I broke out into that opening.
<v Speaker 3>Something had thrashed down all the sugar cane within that
<v Speaker 3>little circle. You couldn't tell it was thrashed down from
<v Speaker 3>the outside looking in. But you get on the inside,
<v Speaker 3>that was pretty clear, a little clearing in there, because
<v Speaker 3>they had thrashed cane down, and it was it had
<v Speaker 3>been old thrashing. In other words, this wasn't the green
<v Speaker 3>cane that was on the ground.
<v Speaker 1>It was yellow and weathered and old. I mean, this
<v Speaker 1>thing had been used in this uh ticket.
<v Speaker 3>For a while up until this point in time. I
<v Speaker 3>still don't know what's using it. I'm on my hands
<v Speaker 3>and knees. I just broke my head out through that clearing.
<v Speaker 3>First thing I lose is look to my right at
<v Speaker 3>the trunk of that big old tree. And I was
<v Speaker 3>so excited because I made it there, and I didn't
<v Speaker 3>have to thresh all that came down because somebody had
<v Speaker 3>done thrashed it down before. Lucky you, you lucky me,
<v Speaker 3>very lucky me.
<v Speaker 1>I'm still on my hands and knees. I'm raised up.
<v Speaker 3>I got both four arms on the ground, my guns
<v Speaker 3>on the ground laying right there in front of me.
<v Speaker 1>I'm on my knees. I raised myself up.
<v Speaker 3>I looked as much as I could across that threshed
<v Speaker 3>up garbage, which was as tall as two feet all
<v Speaker 3>across there, and I started the right the trunk of
<v Speaker 3>that tree, and I start.
<v Speaker 1>Panting all the way around until I get to the lift.
<v Speaker 3>And when I look on it out to the left
<v Speaker 3>in the corner, I see this big old, reddish brown hump.
<v Speaker 1>Now, don't get me wrong here, I ain't talking about
<v Speaker 1>red as in red red. I'm talking about it.
<v Speaker 3>I'm a roonish colored, rust looking red one that can
<v Speaker 3>adapt very easily, especially certain times a year, like the
<v Speaker 3>fall in the winter.
<v Speaker 1>But this sucker was alligated. It was I think it
<v Speaker 1>a wan one because a lot like a hump up there.
<v Speaker 1>But you know what the hunk was, It was his butt.
<v Speaker 1>This sucker was laying on his.
<v Speaker 3>Front arms underneath it like a baby with its knees
<v Speaker 3>curled up under it, like a baby.
<v Speaker 1>With his butt up in the air.
<v Speaker 3>Not I just literally inferiorally sticking up for the sake of.
<v Speaker 1>Sticking it up there.
<v Speaker 3>That was where when when it put its knees up
<v Speaker 3>under itself.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like how a little baby will lay in the crib.
<v Speaker 3>Right and this rascal's head, which I didn't know it
<v Speaker 3>was his head.
<v Speaker 1>All I could say was.
<v Speaker 3>Her until it opened his eyes. This rascal wasn't twelve
<v Speaker 3>yards from me. Matt, I'm on the ground on my
<v Speaker 3>knees and my hands. Yes, I had a gun. I
<v Speaker 3>had my rifle. When I saw this rascal, I was
<v Speaker 3>alright with it at first. Now we gotta start thinking
<v Speaker 3>the time frame here, because everything I'm gonna tell you
<v Speaker 3>from this point on happens probably at soux snaps of
<v Speaker 3>the finger. That's how quick it occurred. It opened his eyes.
<v Speaker 3>When it opened his eyes, I knew I didn't need
<v Speaker 3>to be on my hands and knees anymore.
<v Speaker 1>So I stood up as tall.
<v Speaker 3>As I could stand up above inner grabbing all of
<v Speaker 3>the honeysuckle vines and briarer corns that was interspersed with
<v Speaker 3>all of that.
<v Speaker 1>Cane that was above my head.
<v Speaker 3>When I stood up, I had grabbed my gun, my rifle,
<v Speaker 3>and I picked it up with me, had it in
<v Speaker 3>a missionary position that's at port arms.
<v Speaker 1>At chest level. I didn't even raise it up to
<v Speaker 1>my face. Wasn't no need doing that.
<v Speaker 3>I had a scope on the gun. All I had
<v Speaker 3>to do was pick it up and just point. That's
<v Speaker 3>how I closed I was this rascal. When I was
<v Speaker 3>in the process of getting up, this rascal spring up
<v Speaker 3>like a damn checking the box.
<v Speaker 1>And you know I've made mention. I thought about it a.
<v Speaker 3>Million times since, even unconsciously. This has woken me up
<v Speaker 3>in nightmares. People I'm telling them after high school, jumped
<v Speaker 3>straight up like he jumped out of the box. He
<v Speaker 3>had his legs already underneath it. All he did was
<v Speaker 3>held them upward, and he had both arms underneath his head,
<v Speaker 3>and he straightened them out, just like I was when
<v Speaker 3>I was on my hands and knees, and he pushed
<v Speaker 3>hisself totally erect on two rigs. He hit the ground
<v Speaker 3>on his feet, and he never took his eyes off
<v Speaker 3>of me. He started grunting and growling, and it was intensifying.
<v Speaker 1>Every time he'd take a step, he would turn.
<v Speaker 3>He walked immediately as soon as he stood up, about
<v Speaker 3>three steps to his left my right.
<v Speaker 1>When he was doing that, he never took his eyes
<v Speaker 1>off of them.
<v Speaker 3>His free arm that was not towards me, but towards
<v Speaker 3>the wall behind him, of cain, he was using it
<v Speaker 3>to hit the cane. He was slapping at the cane
<v Speaker 3>with that, but he wasn't slapping with his other hand.
<v Speaker 3>It was directed at his side. He stopped after three steps,
<v Speaker 3>turned to completely around, and went to my left, his right,
<v Speaker 3>and he went about three or four steps that way,
<v Speaker 3>still growling.
<v Speaker 1>Still raising hell.
<v Speaker 3>And this time his free hand is his right hand,
<v Speaker 3>and he's slapping the wall with it. He turns back
<v Speaker 3>around one more time and he starts on his track again.
<v Speaker 3>Then all of a sudden, he just explodes and starts
<v Speaker 3>running straight at me.
<v Speaker 1>Throws both arms up in.
<v Speaker 3>The air, then long, gnawing fingers were curled.
<v Speaker 1>I remember that shit.
<v Speaker 3>And he was hidden dead to me twelve feet now
<v Speaker 3>one that maybe three bounds.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Now I'm sitting there shaking so hard. I filled up
<v Speaker 3>with my boots and my damn thighs off machins.
<v Speaker 1>I'm shaking that hard, man.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna lie.
<v Speaker 1>I was good. I had knocked the safety of my gun.
<v Speaker 1>I brought it up, I had my finger on the trigger.
<v Speaker 1>When was I gonna.
<v Speaker 3>Pull that trigger a little? Because I hadn't pulled it yet.
<v Speaker 3>All of a sudden it started to my right, his
<v Speaker 3>left and tore through that wall. I just crawled through
<v Speaker 3>on my hands and knees like it wasn't nothing but
<v Speaker 3>paper machape. He had me if he wanted me, Matt,
<v Speaker 3>That's all I can say. He had me if I
<v Speaker 3>pulled the trucker.
<v Speaker 4>If he didn't want you to leave you in the
<v Speaker 4>left yep.
<v Speaker 3>And that sucker paced me all the way out to
<v Speaker 3>where I part my truck on the road, about a
<v Speaker 3>mile and a half out of the woods.
<v Speaker 1>He was rattling the damn bushes. He was raising hell.
<v Speaker 3>I was shaking so hard I couldn't even get my
<v Speaker 3>hands in my pockets getting my truck keys out unlocked
<v Speaker 3>the truck.
<v Speaker 1>Of course, it didn't help that, you know, that sucker
<v Speaker 1>was still over there and bushes raising hell.
<v Speaker 3>But as soon as they got in the truck and
<v Speaker 3>got windows down, because I didn't know if he was
<v Speaker 3>going to attack the truck, I didn't think he would.
<v Speaker 3>He had plenty of opportunity to get me between point
<v Speaker 3>A and point B, but he didn't go for it.
<v Speaker 3>I know he respected that gun. That shows me they're
<v Speaker 3>smarter than average. Because you know, I dare I see
<v Speaker 3>you a year round, But you ain't told me a
<v Speaker 3>gun a year around either, You know what I mean?
<v Speaker 3>Some reason a book I don't like this for and
<v Speaker 3>he has his own logic for it.
<v Speaker 1>But I can.
<v Speaker 3>Promise you this, I guarantee tell you it's our fault.
<v Speaker 1>To us as humans.
<v Speaker 4>Do you think it's just history of observation of what
<v Speaker 4>we do with guns? Do you think there's been incidents
<v Speaker 4>in the past between us and them.
<v Speaker 1>It's very possible, Matt.
<v Speaker 3>You know, it took us forever to get in the
<v Speaker 3>written history of the United States history, and most of
<v Speaker 3>the history that was written about the United States were
<v Speaker 3>from ex floorers and scouts who couldn't even read or rite.
<v Speaker 3>And you know what, few tales that get passed down,
<v Speaker 3>That's how it's got passed down was from language, you know,
<v Speaker 3>talking to each other, the Native American people. Those people
<v Speaker 3>don't didn't have a written language. They pass it on there.
<v Speaker 3>Who knows more possibly about this thing than anybody existing
<v Speaker 3>in the continent on the United States or North American
<v Speaker 3>continent right now, including Canada or even Mexico.
<v Speaker 1>It's the people who've lived there their whole life.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is something that's come up recently, and you
<v Speaker 4>and I have talked about every single aspect possible in
<v Speaker 4>regards to these Yeah, no doubt, there's something that almost
<v Speaker 4>seems instinctual whenever it comes to these things in regards
<v Speaker 4>to us about how if if you go out there
<v Speaker 4>enough and you have enough encounters with these things, spend
<v Speaker 4>enough time out in the woods. Sometimes not all the time,
<v Speaker 4>but sometimes you can tell when they're around. It's almost
<v Speaker 4>like a sixth sense, you know. And like how you're
<v Speaker 4>talking about the hairs raising up, you know, on your
<v Speaker 4>hackles and everything.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's a that's a trait we don't use
<v Speaker 3>no more man.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So what causes that? Whenever it comes to these things?
<v Speaker 4>Do you think something happened? Do you think we used
<v Speaker 4>to be prey or something?
<v Speaker 1>Like?
<v Speaker 4>Why do we have that instinctual reaction to them?
<v Speaker 1>Is it us?
<v Speaker 3>Or could it be them towards us too? I thought
<v Speaker 3>of that a million times. You know, you and meiate
<v Speaker 3>we think a lot.
<v Speaker 1>We me and You've discussed a lot of these topics.
<v Speaker 3>You can take a cry a baby cry in the
<v Speaker 3>woods will draw these things in. H I hope nobody
<v Speaker 3>takes a fense at what I'm gonna mention next.
<v Speaker 1>But I know this for a fact, and you do too.
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people don't believe this, but people with
<v Speaker 3>mental deficiencies are these things are drawn to people like
<v Speaker 3>that and not to harmon, not to harmon.
<v Speaker 1>They don't understand what's going on.
<v Speaker 3>Are they can sense that this person is special enough
<v Speaker 3>that they want to be a part of it to
<v Speaker 3>a certain degree. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you've heard these stories.
<v Speaker 4>It's almost like, not only can they determine if somebody
<v Speaker 4>is a threat or not, but it goes way beyond
<v Speaker 4>if somebody is holding a firearm, right, it does. And
<v Speaker 4>whenever you seem like you pose less of a threat,
<v Speaker 4>the least threatening you are, the more interest they seem
<v Speaker 4>to have in you. It was kind of of a joke,
<v Speaker 4>but it was also the truth. You know, there's a
<v Speaker 4>reason women are so successful in Bigfoot research.
<v Speaker 1>There ain't no doubt, and it's natural.
<v Speaker 4>They are far more interested in women than they are men.
<v Speaker 1>Very much so.
<v Speaker 3>Dallas, Gilbert and everybody out there is gonna wonder who
<v Speaker 3>in the hell we talked about.
<v Speaker 1>I talked to Dallas out Ohio all the time.
<v Speaker 3>Dallas used to say, he said, they love women.
<v Speaker 1>So what is it about women, Dallas?
<v Speaker 3>He said, because they smell so good, And that's all
<v Speaker 3>he had to say.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, that was one of the things that always
<v Speaker 4>got me.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he said they he said, they love the perfume.
<v Speaker 3>These women smell and that's why, you know, when I
<v Speaker 3>was going in the woods regularly, even if I wore.
<v Speaker 1>Any cologne or anybody over and at all.
<v Speaker 3>You know, because if you want success, you don't do
<v Speaker 3>all that.
<v Speaker 1>You don't want success, you want to want them to know.
<v Speaker 3>You make yourself accessible, let them learn your sinned and
<v Speaker 3>y'all will have people probably gonna laugh about that one.
<v Speaker 3>But in the animal kingdom, what you smell like means
<v Speaker 3>more than anything.
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, okay, there's people that all the time
<v Speaker 4>I get emails about where can I go? What can
<v Speaker 4>I do? So what I know this is dangerous because
<v Speaker 4>this is a conversation you know we've had. You don't
<v Speaker 4>want to lead an idiot to his demise by any means.
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's not so much leading the edd to their demise.
<v Speaker 3>I ain't tell you something that me and you talked
<v Speaker 3>about this.
<v Speaker 1>You know what hurts a lot of people who want
<v Speaker 1>to see.
<v Speaker 3>One so bad it stinks, is wanting to see one
<v Speaker 3>so bad it stinks. Yeah, that's what hurts everybody.
<v Speaker 1>They gonna say that ain't no answer yet.
<v Speaker 3>It is if your an anxiety levels of sky high,
<v Speaker 3>your heart is bump dump dump thumping out the bam
<v Speaker 3>bucket because you're gonna finally get all the chance to
<v Speaker 3>see something that nobody has hardly ever sleeping and your
<v Speaker 3>your your level of desire wanting. You're wanting to see
<v Speaker 3>this so bad you're giving yourself away and he ain't
<v Speaker 3>gonna sew up.
<v Speaker 1>Am I wrong about that?
<v Speaker 4>No? Not at all?
<v Speaker 1>And again, can you explain it better than I just did.
<v Speaker 6>Because I mean, I just think it goes back to
<v Speaker 6>that whole thing about them being able to read body
<v Speaker 6>language and to determine, you know, our intent based off
<v Speaker 6>that body language.
<v Speaker 4>And I think a person that's in that state of mind,
<v Speaker 4>uh jerking their head around, looking and redirection of every
<v Speaker 4>twig snap they hear and everything they pick up on
<v Speaker 4>that they're not stupid and they.
<v Speaker 3>Ain't coming a nerc or around it either.
<v Speaker 7>You may take on subject and self to somebody who's
<v Speaker 7>heads on the swivel the whole time that they're they're
<v Speaker 7>going to go do something else, because that that that
<v Speaker 7>what it's stressed out think about it.
<v Speaker 4>So we're gonna have to take this amplified a little
<v Speaker 4>bit for human purposes. But if you're around a person
<v Speaker 4>that's high on methamphetamines, which is the exaggerated version of
<v Speaker 4>what we're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>Very exactly.
<v Speaker 4>They're gonna freak you out. You don't have to say
<v Speaker 4>a word to them. They don't have to talk to you.
<v Speaker 4>You just have to observe their behavior for about thirty
<v Speaker 4>seconds to realize I need to go the other direction.
<v Speaker 4>The reason being is we can tell by their body
<v Speaker 4>language and their behavior that they are unpredictable, and unpredictableness
<v Speaker 4>is scary, and I think that's what a lot of
<v Speaker 4>it is. I think the Bigfoot know that this person.
<v Speaker 4>They may not know that they're out there looking for them,
<v Speaker 4>but they know that there is something's wrong with this person.
<v Speaker 4>They're not acting like a human normally acts, and it
<v Speaker 4>might be dangerous for me to get anywhere near them.
<v Speaker 4>So I'm going to back off. We had way more
<v Speaker 4>success doing what you taught me. If you hear something
<v Speaker 4>or think you see something, don't jump up and point
<v Speaker 4>yell there it is. Act like you don't even notice it.
<v Speaker 1>Ignore ignorant. It's hard to do.
<v Speaker 4>Oh it's so hard. It's so hard.
<v Speaker 3>But but if you can do it it, don't do
<v Speaker 3>nothing but intensify an increase am I wrong.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, it picks up, it gets better.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what you got going on, and that you
<v Speaker 3>to the extent you have to grab yourself to keep
<v Speaker 3>from looking in the woods at it is just trying
<v Speaker 3>to soak it up like a sponge, because they will
<v Speaker 3>once these things think you can't hear them, put yourself
<v Speaker 3>in their place for a second.
<v Speaker 1>Come on, everybody, wasn't the hell I almost hit him
<v Speaker 1>with that damn rock. He hadn't even moved. What's wrong
<v Speaker 1>with these people?
<v Speaker 3>Let's do something else stupid and see if we can't
<v Speaker 3>get them to jack up.
<v Speaker 1>It does amplify the situation to what we call fun.
<v Speaker 1>It could get dangerous, don't think so. I think by then,
<v Speaker 1>once they realize that your.
<v Speaker 3>Food them, they get pissed off and hal ass until
<v Speaker 3>somebody says they just made a monkey out of you.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've tried telling that to people so again.
<v Speaker 4>Whenever I first got involved in this subject, I met
<v Speaker 4>a guy that was talking about doing bigfoot calls could
<v Speaker 4>call him in. Now, growing up in a family of hunters,
<v Speaker 4>I was familiar with using calls to lure animals in,
<v Speaker 4>so to me it didn't seem far fetched at all.
<v Speaker 4>Asked Hey, where'd you learn these calls from? Well, this
<v Speaker 4>is calls that I've heard growing up. Okay, makes sense,
<v Speaker 4>All of it makes sense.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 4>The rest of the bigfoot world was not hip to this.
<v Speaker 4>I heard of one other guy actually out here in
<v Speaker 4>Oklahoma went by the name of Tracer I believe, who
<v Speaker 4>was known for doing bigfoot calls. But otherwise bigfoot calls
<v Speaker 4>were not a thing. There's no way you're calling him
<v Speaker 4>bigfoot that. No, that's ridiculous. Now look at it. It's everywhere.
<v Speaker 4>Everybody does it all the time.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>And they done retrained every bigfoot out there, so we
<v Speaker 3>got to learn the new calls.
<v Speaker 4>But I have told people, which again is information passed
<v Speaker 4>on from you. If you do certain calls and you
<v Speaker 4>get a response, understand that once they get close enough
<v Speaker 4>to you to see that you're not another bigfoot and
<v Speaker 4>that you're just a person, the fund's over.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they pissed in the funds because you lord them
<v Speaker 3>there under false pretenses.
<v Speaker 1>They take it personal.
<v Speaker 4>And then if you're in a situation such as you were,
<v Speaker 4>where you have a piece of property where these things
<v Speaker 4>are at on a regular basis, they'll get used to
<v Speaker 4>you and they'll quit coming around. They'll quit responding to
<v Speaker 4>your calls or whatever you're doing to try and lure them.
<v Speaker 3>They'll just go on and naturally do what every other
<v Speaker 3>animal does around you because you know.
<v Speaker 4>Threat, which is actually what habituation is. Thank you, Like
<v Speaker 4>all the people preaching habituation and being habituators, you actually
<v Speaker 4>don't want that.
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you have to do or add anything to
<v Speaker 3>its environment it cannot get on its own, you're screwing up.
<v Speaker 1>That's all I'm saying about that. I mean, if you
<v Speaker 1>start feeding things he can't get on his own, you're the.
<v Speaker 3>One that's habilitating him wrong or her or the baby
<v Speaker 3>or it or whatever.
<v Speaker 4>Well, let's just play stupid. So what what can happen?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>What comes with that?
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's not so much that ninety percent of the
<v Speaker 3>people that are into bigs don't even on their own home.
<v Speaker 1>Ninety percent of them are rent And so.
<v Speaker 3>What they do They read that bees of property and
<v Speaker 3>then they habituate that bee pickfoot there in the backyard
<v Speaker 3>for years and years and years. Then all of a
<v Speaker 3>sudden they had moods. Who moves in that house afterwards?
<v Speaker 1>And do they keep feeding the booker? There?
<v Speaker 4>You go, Well, We've also known people and heard stories
<v Speaker 4>of people, you know, and God bless my granny, she
<v Speaker 4>was one of those people. Elderly people love feeding the animals, yes,
<v Speaker 4>and that includes Bigfoot unfortunately, even though they don't know
<v Speaker 4>the right And another fact of life is elderly people
<v Speaker 4>pass away or sometimes they go to the hospital, or
<v Speaker 4>sometimes they get put in a nursing home. And whenever
<v Speaker 4>that happens, the Bigfoot don't know it.
<v Speaker 1>Nobody told them. Had a buddy of mine.
<v Speaker 3>Whose grandfather was raising him, and he was in desert storm.
<v Speaker 1>The grandfather was taking care of all the sheep and.
<v Speaker 3>The goats and the dogs and everything, and then the
<v Speaker 3>grandfather had a stroke and had to be putting the hospital.
<v Speaker 1>Well, when he was in the hospital.
<v Speaker 3>And nobody everybody forgot all about the sheep to go
<v Speaker 3>send the doors and uh, somebody decided that one day
<v Speaker 3>because they missed him being out there, they said, well,
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go and to feed his animals for him.
<v Speaker 3>And they went to the farm and everything he had
<v Speaker 3>was destroyed, killed dead.
<v Speaker 1>Massacre couldn't figure out what it was. Got a hold
<v Speaker 1>of the sun. Finally, while he was in Iraq or Afghanistan,
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember which one it was. Maybe it's even
<v Speaker 1>q wait kuwait and uh he said no, uh.
<v Speaker 3>Nain, nobody's supposed to have been around there, and they
<v Speaker 3>told him about it. Then he couldn't even do anything
<v Speaker 3>or find more out about it until he got back
<v Speaker 3>home after.
<v Speaker 1>His deployment was over with. And uh he told me
<v Speaker 1>what was going on.
<v Speaker 3>He said, my granddaddy was feeding the boogers out there,
<v Speaker 3>and when he had a stroke, he didn't feed him anymore.
<v Speaker 1>He couldn't. They wouldn't nobody take up slat and they
<v Speaker 1>come back and wanted their food. Yep, we got all
<v Speaker 1>the goat sheeps and his dogs.
<v Speaker 4>I mean we heard that. What was that guy's name,
<v Speaker 4>I can't even remember who's uh dad? I think was
<v Speaker 4>feeding them and went to the hospital or something and
<v Speaker 4>they broke into the damn house.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot all about him.
<v Speaker 1>That was my FBI in formers.
<v Speaker 4>Then Oh okay, yeah, see the name popped in my head.
<v Speaker 4>So I had the right name, yes, yes.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes.
<v Speaker 3>What happened was he he was a young fellow. We
<v Speaker 3>got to know this guy when he graduated from high school.
<v Speaker 3>I think he was going behind his mom and his
<v Speaker 3>dad's back reading about Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>And he got in contact with me. I found out
<v Speaker 1>old he was. I said, well, we're gonna be up that.
<v Speaker 3>Part of the country not too long. He was up
<v Speaker 3>near Tupelo, Mississippi, and uh, we're gonna be up there researching.
<v Speaker 3>And if you would get permission from your parents that
<v Speaker 3>you can come, I don't have a problem when you coming.
<v Speaker 1>Now. I gotta remember, this kid's eighteen years old, so
<v Speaker 1>he ain't really a kid.
<v Speaker 3>But I didn't want his parents to think we was
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of a pedophile, you know, But I mean
<v Speaker 3>we're it is and now we're looking for a monster now.
<v Speaker 3>And anyhow, this guy gets hooked up with of course
<v Speaker 3>he sees several he turns around, he's hooked into this
<v Speaker 3>up to his eyeball, just like we are. He tells
<v Speaker 3>his daddy about it because the daddy was making fun
<v Speaker 3>of him. He said, why ain't you goin' got my
<v Speaker 3>ba ba, And so he starts sharing some of the
<v Speaker 3>stuff with his dad. And his dad he lived in
<v Speaker 3>a cabin on the back side of their property.
<v Speaker 1>He didn't even live with his mom.
<v Speaker 3>He lived in his own house on the backside of property.
<v Speaker 3>But maybe why they's still married, I don't know. But anyway,
<v Speaker 3>he starts feeding these things from his back porch to
<v Speaker 3>show his son that he could do it. But he
<v Speaker 3>didn't tell his son about it until he was in
<v Speaker 3>the hospital. He is in the hospital when his son
<v Speaker 3>come up there to see him. He had a heart
<v Speaker 3>attack of something. And that's when his dad revealed to him,
<v Speaker 3>you better get to my cabin real quick and go
<v Speaker 3>feed them booterers.
<v Speaker 1>And she said what. And that's when his dad goes.
<v Speaker 3>Clean to his own son that he's been feeding the
<v Speaker 3>boogers that he didn't believe his son was feeding.
<v Speaker 1>Now that shows you at least he converted him.
<v Speaker 3>But the booger done already broke in the house, and
<v Speaker 3>my buddy had a picture that Bill ask Musing had
<v Speaker 3>drew of one on all fours that I described to Bill. Well,
<v Speaker 3>Bill had drew that picture and sent me a copy
<v Speaker 3>of it. So I had made a copy of that
<v Speaker 3>picture and sent it to my buddy.
<v Speaker 1>Well, somehow or another, my.
<v Speaker 3>Buddy didn't even miss the picture, but his dad had
<v Speaker 3>got it from the main house and had it on
<v Speaker 3>his TV.
<v Speaker 1>In his living room.
<v Speaker 3>The booger when he broke in his house, took the
<v Speaker 3>picture and moved it to the kitchen table. Ever did
<v Speaker 3>leave the booger liked the picture of the that Bill
<v Speaker 3>drew them. Oh, this is a true story, everybody. I'm
<v Speaker 3>just telling it.
<v Speaker 1>We just relaying it.
<v Speaker 8>You wouldn't wouldn't believe it if we didn't live it.
<v Speaker 8>See I said there and never forgot about that incident.
<v Speaker 8>There's so much more I've forgotten over the years. And
<v Speaker 8>you know this, Matt, because heck, I hadn't even told
<v Speaker 8>you all of them.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we worked on it, and then we.
<v Speaker 3>Get sidetracked because we're trying to figure out like that
<v Speaker 3>booger in that turn ticket you had mentioned earlier, there's
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of trade track there.
<v Speaker 1>That's very interesting.
<v Speaker 4>I know it was a sleep and everything, but like
<v Speaker 4>clearly that was some sort of nesting site, a betting area.
<v Speaker 4>Why was it alone? How did you get the drop
<v Speaker 4>on it?
<v Speaker 1>After all of that? You know, I've been still getting
<v Speaker 1>into these things pretty strong, pretty hard. That's about the time,
<v Speaker 1>you know, through my calls that.
<v Speaker 3>I would make when these things would answer from their locations.
<v Speaker 3>That's having the intimate knowledge of their land using topographical maps,
<v Speaker 3>say you hear something come from a little creek down
<v Speaker 3>there at the bottom. But the only thing on that
<v Speaker 3>creek that could hide anything, there's a little island looks
<v Speaker 3>like there's about fifteen or twenty trees right there, but
<v Speaker 3>you always.
<v Speaker 1>Hear a call from that point. Then you hear another
<v Speaker 1>call father up the creek. So you go looking on
<v Speaker 1>that down.
<v Speaker 3>Topographical mouth to see if you can find other locations
<v Speaker 3>like that, and then you can triangulate it. And I
<v Speaker 3>said the key word try angulate, because everything always turned
<v Speaker 3>out to be three. And I noticed that whenever the
<v Speaker 3>family unit would bed down, they would have what you'd
<v Speaker 3>call guards, or I call them sentinels, and they would
<v Speaker 3>have sentinel locations in three locations surrounding the family unit.
<v Speaker 1>They were like security guards.
<v Speaker 3>They're on the outer fringes, and if anything comes from
<v Speaker 3>that general direction or whatever, they will alarm.
<v Speaker 1>The troop, usually through tree knocks or whiffles. During the daytime.
<v Speaker 3>They don't like vocalizing that much during the daytime, but
<v Speaker 3>they sometimes get excited late in the evening and they
<v Speaker 3>will start vocalizing about an hour hour and a half
<v Speaker 3>before dark, because I imagine some of them probably are
<v Speaker 3>getting handsy, hungry, you know, just like the average American family.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that's what they act like.
<v Speaker 3>They act like a family unich, working together and to
<v Speaker 3>be successful on camouflaging and stay it hidden as long
<v Speaker 3>as these.
<v Speaker 1>Very real things are doing.
<v Speaker 3>You gotta work as a team. If you don't work
<v Speaker 3>as a team ever gonna be successful. Think about that.
<v Speaker 3>You gotta work as a team. Everybody sees the solitary book. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>sometimes they going out on their own, but ninety percent
<v Speaker 3>time that's very rare because they kind of their safety
<v Speaker 3>with numbers and beeg foot noses, butter than anybody.
<v Speaker 1>The one you hear that ain't the one you ought
<v Speaker 1>to worry about. You know this one too. You always
<v Speaker 1>have one over there making a fool of itself while
<v Speaker 1>the woods that really says about you slipping up on
<v Speaker 1>you from the backside, and it does happen that week.
<v Speaker 4>You were the first person that I heard mentioned, you know,
<v Speaker 4>sentinels and talking about sentinel trees. And obviously that tree
<v Speaker 4>in this story sounds like a sentinel.
<v Speaker 1>Tree, no doubt.
<v Speaker 4>Flooding there. Now, I never went here, so correct me
<v Speaker 4>if I'm wrong, But didn't y'all run into a sentinel
<v Speaker 4>at far Indian Mounds like years apart from one another.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, yes, we did it. We did it.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see it. Team Banker saw it. Remember it
<v Speaker 1>was the one that was in the trees.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's same scenario, that little town that I talk about.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if you google far Indian Mounds. I mean it's
<v Speaker 4>pretty wide open. You know, they clear out the mounains.
<v Speaker 4>It's a it's a tourist attraction. But around it is
<v Speaker 4>woods and then there's like this little patch of woods.
<v Speaker 4>And apparently, like I said, I wasn't there, but apparently
<v Speaker 4>this sentinel was spotted at that same little patch of
<v Speaker 4>trees multiple years apart.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, very much. So went in. It has to go
<v Speaker 1>and show.
<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing I can't question or a booger to find
<v Speaker 3>out to answer.
<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing, Oh, they have to have what you call
<v Speaker 1>a hierarchy.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm thinking a lot of these that our own
<v Speaker 3>sentinel duty are probably the ones that do not have females,
<v Speaker 3>and they're older and need more responsibility to learn the
<v Speaker 3>functions of the truth to pass on down to further generations.
<v Speaker 3>I think every male in the troop gets to stand
<v Speaker 3>something ondooty.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it makes sense that a lot of the
<v Speaker 4>ones that we may have encountered back in the day
<v Speaker 4>were sentinels.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no doubt.
<v Speaker 4>I mean that would that would at least explain some
<v Speaker 4>of the differences in behavior people encounter, because a sentinel
<v Speaker 4>is more likely to do vocalizations like you were talking about,
<v Speaker 4>but also more likely to do the bluff charges and
<v Speaker 4>things like that, trying to run you out, trying to
<v Speaker 4>parallel him.
<v Speaker 1>Up in a corner. Right, think about it.
<v Speaker 3>What's that old saying, don't remember him up a wildcat.
<v Speaker 1>In his corner? What the hell did I do in
<v Speaker 1>that ticket? But I didn't know that, right, He didn't know,
<v Speaker 1>But I didn't know that. That's why it's.
<v Speaker 3>Hilarious right now, It's not hilarious when that sucker's.
<v Speaker 1>Charging at me in that deep sleep I get into
<v Speaker 1>and then I wake up.
<v Speaker 4>You had incidents that occurred whenever you were younger at
<v Speaker 4>your grandfather's property, but they were entirely different in nature
<v Speaker 4>compared to this event.
<v Speaker 3>Well, back then, see, I was six years old, and
<v Speaker 3>then from an age of eight.
<v Speaker 1>Till sixteen, I was on the farm.
<v Speaker 3>So it was watching me and my brother and my
<v Speaker 3>sister and the whole family and the whole outfit all
<v Speaker 3>this time, so we was accepted as being part of it.
<v Speaker 3>When I was in that thicket, I was in another
<v Speaker 3>part of the county, hunting on an entirely different section
<v Speaker 3>of land.
<v Speaker 1>You remember this. I told this to you too.
<v Speaker 3>This was the first time I ever actually seen a
<v Speaker 3>booger that was not on my granddaddy's property. So that
<v Speaker 3>was our shattered news to me because I'm sitting here
<v Speaker 3>looking at two boogers completely in two different sections of
<v Speaker 3>Montgomery County, and I'm sitting here saying, this ain't the
<v Speaker 3>same damn border.
<v Speaker 1>Are you with me? Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>Did it seem like a stranger to you?
<v Speaker 1>Very much? So he wasn't familiar to me, and I
<v Speaker 1>wasn't for me.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And like I've said, and I'll say it again, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>there's no senses said that lying about it.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody else who wants to be a man,
<v Speaker 1>they gonna say, oh, I stood up to it. No
<v Speaker 1>one I was shaking.
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you, I did have a gun. I did
<v Speaker 3>have my safety knocked on. In other words, I could
<v Speaker 3>have pulled the trigger. And I have one automatic. In
<v Speaker 3>other words, it would have shot as many times as
<v Speaker 3>I pulled the trigger. But even with the three bounds
<v Speaker 3>he made toward me before he veered off to the right,
<v Speaker 3>and he had both of them stretched out and I
<v Speaker 3>was looking at them, damn gnarly fingers. And then that's
<v Speaker 3>why I noticed that these songs of the guns have
<v Speaker 3>canines and they shop and they're pretty big. They're not tusk,
<v Speaker 3>but they're canines. As for ripping meet, they blocked teeth,
<v Speaker 3>not all of them, some am pointed. I'm telling you,
<v Speaker 3>I got a close up, too close for me to
<v Speaker 3>even think about. That's why I laugh about it when
<v Speaker 3>I try to talk about it, when I think about
<v Speaker 3>it in my private.
<v Speaker 1>Moments, and then again in my dreams. That thing gets me. Man.
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you, one of these days and I laughed
<v Speaker 3>at you about this, One of these days, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>have that dream and I'm not gonna wake up.
<v Speaker 1>That booter's gonna get me. That's all I can say.
<v Speaker 4>Well, excluding that incident, that encounter, uh, has there been
<v Speaker 4>any other encounters where you felt like it was a
<v Speaker 4>dangerous situation where you were actually concerned?
<v Speaker 1>Bark In Springs, Texas.
<v Speaker 3>Only reason because we had so many people involved, and
<v Speaker 3>I could not get everybody on the same That's when
<v Speaker 3>I realized then and there, because I think I even
<v Speaker 3>told you then, I said, I don't think I'll ever
<v Speaker 3>do another thing as big as Boyking Springs got.
<v Speaker 1>I was directing people.
<v Speaker 3>Into their vehicles, their vans, their trucks, their cars.
<v Speaker 1>And that's how many vehicles there was.
<v Speaker 3>They about three or four because we couldn't get everybody
<v Speaker 3>in one vehicle to go to this location. But when
<v Speaker 3>we got them there, everything started out pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>But you could feel it when the temperature changed.
<v Speaker 3>But I think the temperature changed because of the incident
<v Speaker 3>that occurred before we even got to that location. Remember
<v Speaker 3>we was driving to that location when Tim Baker topped
<v Speaker 3>that heell and right there in front of the road
<v Speaker 3>there was three big foot standing in front of the roof.
<v Speaker 1>Who could have ever seen that?
<v Speaker 4>With a caravan of people multiple because.
<v Speaker 3>People, yeah, let's go through this thing real quick. How
<v Speaker 3>many people's ever been big footing in the end of
<v Speaker 3>ve here go going down a road in the middle
<v Speaker 3>of nowhere, in the dark, no lights, and they say, boy,
<v Speaker 3>it'll be really wild if we come around this curve
<v Speaker 3>or top to his hill and there'd be one standing
<v Speaker 3>in the road.
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't one. They was three and they done it
<v Speaker 1>while we was all down.
<v Speaker 3>When we saw him, Tim hit his games when he did,
<v Speaker 3>he sped up and he separated the big one, the
<v Speaker 3>biggest one, and he was huge.
<v Speaker 1>He was in the least.
<v Speaker 3>He went to the left side of the road. The
<v Speaker 3>two others that was behind it went to my side.
<v Speaker 3>Because I was on the passenger side, I had a
<v Speaker 3>spotlight in my hand. Believing not of course, when he
<v Speaker 3>got up there where they was trying to cross the road,
<v Speaker 3>I'd hit the spotlight on the two that took off
<v Speaker 3>on my side of the truck.
<v Speaker 1>Well, in the back seat there was.
<v Speaker 3>Another gentleman named Sam Armstrong, and he had a spotlight.
<v Speaker 1>So it was me and Sam had.
<v Speaker 9>Two spotlights on this one bigfoot and instead the third bigfoot,
<v Speaker 9>the one with it, just peeled off and run straight
<v Speaker 9>into the woods.
<v Speaker 3>But one, this one I'm talking about, he didn't want
<v Speaker 3>to go. He was running parallel with us down this
<v Speaker 3>dirt road we was on. Every time he'd what he
<v Speaker 3>was trying to do was get ahead of us so
<v Speaker 3>he could cross the road where the big one was.
<v Speaker 1>But we washarding him off of it. I mean we
<v Speaker 1>was heading him out. He every time he tried to cross,
<v Speaker 1>Tim would speed up and get even with him.
<v Speaker 3>And with me and Sam having that spotlight on him,
<v Speaker 3>that damn booger couldn't hide for nothing. And he was
<v Speaker 3>getting madder and madder and madder, and uh be cause
<v Speaker 3>we was stopping him from coming across the road.
<v Speaker 1>And uh the reason we was doing this is.
<v Speaker 3>Because we wanted people in the two vehicles behind us
<v Speaker 3>to see what we was doing. That's why me and
<v Speaker 3>Sam had the spotlight going. So several people saw the
<v Speaker 3>Bigfoot that night, right there in the spotlight. Anyway, the
<v Speaker 3>booger got mad. There was this big old log laying
<v Speaker 3>down on the ground. He run right up behind it
<v Speaker 3>and duck behind the log. When he duck behind the.
<v Speaker 1>Log, he raised his head up. When he did, Sam
<v Speaker 1>caught him in the spotlight.
<v Speaker 10>He lowered his head again, raised his head a kid,
<v Speaker 10>and ray he let out the biggest yell he could
<v Speaker 10>do because all you could see was his damn teeth
<v Speaker 10>and his tonsils.
<v Speaker 1>And uh he turned her round and run straight back
<v Speaker 1>in those woods.
<v Speaker 3>Well, we still had about two miles to go to
<v Speaker 3>where we was going to set up and make these calls.
<v Speaker 3>I think what happened Matt, the one would pissed off
<v Speaker 3>and heard it and wouldn't let cross the road, and
<v Speaker 3>possibly the big one that did cross the road. They
<v Speaker 3>had an attitude and they was coming to see where
<v Speaker 3>we ended up at.
<v Speaker 1>And we had called the other big foot down there
<v Speaker 1>in that bottom next to the Nature's River in Texas.
<v Speaker 3>Had the ones that come that charged the truck when
<v Speaker 3>I was jumping in the truck.
<v Speaker 1>At the end of this deal. I think them were
<v Speaker 1>the two we heard it off and pissed off earlier.
<v Speaker 1>Next better sense thinking of it that way.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was just so pissed off because I wasn't
<v Speaker 4>on that trip.
<v Speaker 1>He we was hoping you would have made it because
<v Speaker 1>that turned out the.
<v Speaker 4>Now we went back. We went back like a month later,
<v Speaker 4>I think, uh yeah, and that was my first trip
<v Speaker 4>down there.
<v Speaker 1>And.
<v Speaker 4>We got down there. That was the first time that
<v Speaker 4>I met you all in person.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, that was when I drove into SICC.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I wasn't gonna mention that part, you know, but hey,
<v Speaker 4>I don't. But we went down there and uh so
<v Speaker 4>we're headed into the area for the first time on
<v Speaker 4>this trip since that incident. Took place, and I was
<v Speaker 4>riding in the truck with Tim, and he said, uh, okay,
<v Speaker 4>we're getting close to where we saw him, and they
<v Speaker 4>crossed the road on us and we get up there
<v Speaker 4>and we pulled over and we got out, and you
<v Speaker 4>could see a trackway going across the road and kind
<v Speaker 4>of into the woods because that that forest, it's the
<v Speaker 4>Angelina National Forest, and it doesn't have a lot of undergrowth.
<v Speaker 4>It was just a pine thicket basically, And uh, you
<v Speaker 4>could see these tracks, but it looked like somebody had
<v Speaker 4>hauled in dirt from another location and filled the tracks
<v Speaker 4>with dirt.
<v Speaker 1>They did, I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't
<v Speaker 1>know how they were.
<v Speaker 4>They were perfect the tracks. It looked like the road
<v Speaker 4>itself was kind of like a red clay because I'm
<v Speaker 4>from Oklahoma and we got that red clay dirt everywhere.
<v Speaker 4>So the dirt down there had a little bit of
<v Speaker 4>that reddish tint to it. But then the dirt filled
<v Speaker 4>the inside the tracks was a completely different color. It
<v Speaker 4>was hauled in from another location, and it was the
<v Speaker 4>shape of the foot and everything and kind of mounded
<v Speaker 4>up and padded down with a shovel a little bit
<v Speaker 4>and it didn't even look like any cars had driven
<v Speaker 4>over it or anything.
<v Speaker 3>All they was waiting on, brother was a rain because
<v Speaker 3>they didn't have a water truck to blend it in.
<v Speaker 1>That was it. They didn't even have a rake. I
<v Speaker 1>mean they said it raked it, but they didn't. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>it was crazy because them tracks were perfect.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't have any other explanation for it.
<v Speaker 1>I mean they brought the dirt. It was brown dirt,
<v Speaker 1>they put on red clutch.
<v Speaker 3>And see two weeks before them were tracks and we
<v Speaker 3>knew they was good big Foot tracks. I don't think
<v Speaker 3>none of us had any plaster Paris. We never cast
<v Speaker 3>a track I helped cash to my whole lifetime. One
<v Speaker 3>was a twenty two inch track for my sister Vicki
<v Speaker 3>and the other thing I was helping out Kelly at
<v Speaker 3>a witch dance when she saw her her first big
<v Speaker 3>Foot and we went over there to where she's seen it,
<v Speaker 3>and out of town there was the track, and so
<v Speaker 3>we went to Walmart and got some plaster of Paris
<v Speaker 3>and Lee helped her cast her track.
<v Speaker 4>Out of all the places that you've been, what's the
<v Speaker 4>hottest location for Bigfoot?
<v Speaker 1>Two of them, but both of them have they've made
<v Speaker 1>changes since then. Yeah, isn't that weird? Huh?
<v Speaker 3>Tackerville brown Springs is one. But I heard they got
<v Speaker 3>a dang trailer park up there now, right in the
<v Speaker 3>middle of it. I guess it's trailer r V park,
<v Speaker 3>ain't it.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, they've done a bunch of modernizations to it to
<v Speaker 4>make it more camber friendly.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm gonna tell you, I love going to Brown Springs.
<v Speaker 3>I've been there four times, and every time I've been
<v Speaker 3>there has been interested in everything to.
<v Speaker 1>The other.
<v Speaker 3>One is land between the lakes and Tennessee, and it's okay,
<v Speaker 3>go to Lamb between lakes.
<v Speaker 1>But now so many people do to our success that
<v Speaker 1>Lamb between the Lakes. I'm not gonna fully take the
<v Speaker 1>credit for that because a lot.
<v Speaker 3>Of other Bigfoot groups they all hitting land between the
<v Speaker 3>lakes now, So it's almost as bad as Salt Fork
<v Speaker 3>up there in Ohio.
<v Speaker 1>You don't know if you're hear in a Bigfoot or
<v Speaker 1>you're hearing another research.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, lbl you know, has become dog Man territory.
<v Speaker 1>That's what they want to clean.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I guess Brown Springs has too. Dog Man
<v Speaker 4>has kind of taken the forefront in both of those locations.
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand that one.
<v Speaker 3>I ain't figured that one out, hit, I really hadn't.
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of it's misidentification on Long Peek Park.
<v Speaker 3>But if you can't identify what ain't real, how and
<v Speaker 3>the hey, you gonna identify.
<v Speaker 1>Anything with it. So if it's got a long snip,
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be a werewolf.
<v Speaker 4>Uh.
<v Speaker 1>I just don't know how in the hill you got
<v Speaker 1>a chance at proving all these different categories. You got
<v Speaker 1>to prove one to prove of more.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, gotta pick a lane, got to pick a lane.
<v Speaker 4>How did you hear about LBL?
<v Speaker 1>LBL? You wouldn't believe this one? It does so much.
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't because of the werewolf as it woe was about
<v Speaker 3>the story of the werewolf.
<v Speaker 1>And I said to Vicky, I think it was. I said,
<v Speaker 1>Vicky's the one.
<v Speaker 3>Who told me about LBL. And she said, we really
<v Speaker 3>need to go up there bear. I said why, She said,
<v Speaker 3>I know that. I said, I ain't got them, but
<v Speaker 3>did at werewolf thing up there?
<v Speaker 1>We went there, maybe the first time looking.
<v Speaker 3>For a werewolf, but guess what we found bigfoot there,
<v Speaker 3>especially in the south end.
<v Speaker 1>And I mean that Tennessee South Wine. Then we even
<v Speaker 1>went up north to the north.
<v Speaker 3>End, but we went to the north east side, and
<v Speaker 3>there's bigfoot over there.
<v Speaker 1>Now, the northwest side I'm not so sure about. But
<v Speaker 1>that's where.
<v Speaker 3>The dog Man or man Dog's supposed to be it
<v Speaker 3>over there, And you know a lot of people are
<v Speaker 3>claiming now you know, they segregate them. I mean, they
<v Speaker 3>segregate into two categories. And I think they're just making
<v Speaker 3>it more complicated than it already was to begin with.
<v Speaker 3>I just stick with Boogers and I reckon, I'll go
<v Speaker 3>out stigging with Boogers.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think that has a lot of it
<v Speaker 4>plays a huge factor in all of this is a
<v Speaker 4>lot of it gets complicated by the people involved in
<v Speaker 4>not necessarily what's actually happening.
<v Speaker 1>I think.
<v Speaker 4>So I got one more question for you before we
<v Speaker 4>cut up. It's something that I talk about quite a
<v Speaker 4>bit on this show. I never experienced it myself. I'm
<v Speaker 4>not asking you to make any connections orbs. Did you
<v Speaker 4>ever have you ever seen a glowing ball of light
<v Speaker 4>out in the woods?
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, no, nope, nope, nope, no, no.
<v Speaker 3>I ain't saying you know, I've been in locations where
<v Speaker 3>you know, I've heard people talk about them, and I
<v Speaker 3>haven't never seen or have I seen a bigfoot?
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Have I seen more than one? Yes? Have I
<v Speaker 1>when I seen them?
<v Speaker 3>Did I see or before or after noon? And I'm
<v Speaker 3>just being honest, I'm not I'm not saying it's not
<v Speaker 3>involved with it. All I'm saying is, if it is,
<v Speaker 3>it's not involved with interaction that I've had between me
<v Speaker 3>and these things. And don't take that wrong. There ain't
<v Speaker 3>much interaction between the person and these things. If there is,
<v Speaker 3>and you recognize it for what it is, and that's
<v Speaker 3>a very important word.
<v Speaker 1>Recognize it for what it is, not for what it's not.
<v Speaker 1>Don't let your imagination make it more than what it is.
<v Speaker 1>Know what you're talking about before you go claiming it's
<v Speaker 1>a booger.
<v Speaker 3>If you don't see it, you know, well we told
<v Speaker 3>all time if you didn't see it, it wasn't a burger.
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, But if you know enough about these things,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm not just saying what you think you know.
<v Speaker 3>I said, if you know enough about these things, you
<v Speaker 3>get lucky and more luckier than other people.
<v Speaker 1>And that don't make you better than everybody else.
<v Speaker 3>Just means that you've learned enough to know to settle
<v Speaker 3>yourself down and try to treat this thing as a
<v Speaker 3>calm situation long as you can sit there and get
<v Speaker 3>rid of the fear, which that's hard to do. The anxiety,
<v Speaker 3>which I call anxiety stress, but it's good stress.
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, as Matt mentioned earlier, your head going
<v Speaker 1>in circles.
<v Speaker 3>All the time looking for this thing. If you're doing
<v Speaker 3>all that, you're sweating. If you're sweating, it's coming through
<v Speaker 3>towards his skin.
<v Speaker 1>Comes through the skin. These things smith so ain't coming around.
<v Speaker 1>Just be patient.
<v Speaker 3>And the word patience is hard in it and of itself.
<v Speaker 3>Look up the definition of it, because I promise you,
<v Speaker 3>just looking up the word patience, you better have some
<v Speaker 3>down patience.
<v Speaker 1>Patience is nothing that comes easy.
<v Speaker 3>Everybody can say I got patience, but most of the
<v Speaker 3>time we ain't doing nothing but lying to ourselves.
<v Speaker 1>We know, we know when you can calm yourself down.
<v Speaker 3>And here's the thing, these boogers know when you and
<v Speaker 3>calm him stiff down too. Like if you show off it,
<v Speaker 3>don't expect thirty minutes later for him to convert over,
<v Speaker 3>because it ain't gonna happen. If he's smart, that's gone
<v Speaker 3>gone and he ain't coming back today. He may come
<v Speaker 3>back tomorrow, but if keep repeating that same behavior, hey,
<v Speaker 3>after a while, he ain't gonna come around at all.
<v Speaker 3>Ain't gonna say, oh, don't go near there. You can't
<v Speaker 3>go near that.
<v Speaker 1>And I understand that. It's just that everybody else has
<v Speaker 1>got to try to understand that too.
<v Speaker 3>These things ain't seen for a reason, and it's because
<v Speaker 3>they don't want to be seen.
<v Speaker 1>And that's the reason. And us.
<v Speaker 4>Bear the original Bigfoot outlaw. It's been fun, man, it's
<v Speaker 4>been a blast. We gotta do it again.
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it.
<v Speaker 3>Matt always brother always, I'm always here for him, Guys.
<v Speaker 1>I'm always here. I don't have any question. Can send
<v Speaker 1>it to Matt and here get it to me. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but uh, I really enjoyed it.
<v Speaker 3>And I want to lease everybody out there that's first
<v Speaker 3>time listeners for me or if they.
<v Speaker 1>Know me, hellove all you guys. You know where I'm at.
<v Speaker 1>Hard to get a hold of, but I'm still here
<v Speaker 1>and I'm still kicking.
<v Speaker 4>If you've had your own Bigfoot encounter that you'd like
<v Speaker 4>to share on the show, send me an email at
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<v Speaker 4>and until next time, remember there's something in the woods.