327 | Art of the Session: Reflecting Feelings with Effectiveness and Precision in CCPT

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In this episode of the Art of the Session series, I walk through one of the most important and most underutilized CCPT skills: reflecting feelings. Despite its central role in both the reflective responses and the four pillars of CCPT, reflecting feelings is statistically the least used skill—even among highly trained clinicians. I explore why that might be, and how we can increase our intentional use of this essential tool.

I cover the mechanics of a strong feeling reflection, the emotional vocabulary needed, and how nonverbal congruence—tone of voice and facial expression—can make or break the moment. I also clarify the difference between reflecting feelings and making assumptions based on behavior, and I touch on how to reflect needs, desires, wishes, and intentions when emotion isn't clear. This episode is both a technical breakdown and a heartfelt reminder of the emotional attunement CCPT requires—and why it's worth doing well.

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Common References: Cochran, N., Nordling, W., & Cochran, J. (2010). Child-Centered Play Therapy (1st ed.). Wiley. VanFleet, R., Sywulak, A. E., & Sniscak, C. C. (2010). Child-centered play therapy. Guilford Press. Landreth, G.L. (2023). Play Therapy: The Art of the Relationship (4th ed.). Routledge. Landreth, G.L., & Bratton, S.C. (2019). Child-Parent Relationship Therapy (CPRT): An Evidence-Based 10-Session Filial Therapy Model (2nd ed.). Routledge. https://doi.org/10.4324/9781315537948 Benedict, Helen. Themes in Play Therapy. Used with permission to Heartland Play Therapy Institute.

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get

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a master class in child-centered play therapy

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and practical support and application for your

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work with children and their families.

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In today's episode,

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we are continuing the summer school series Art of the Session.

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And

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I have been informed by

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the curriculum people in my life.

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The people that map out all of my podcasts for me and say,

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OK,

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this week you're talking about this.

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We are halfway through this series.

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So this is actually a very long series,

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but I'm excited about that.

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And thank you for the feedback.

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I'm glad that you all have been finding this helpful.

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Art of the Relationship

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is

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something that we should read every single year.

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And my hope is that these Art of the Session episodes are something that

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we might go back and listen to every single year because this is stuff that

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we need refreshers on.

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We need to be reminded of the basics and sometimes there's stuff that

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we had never connected before or we had never put together.

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excited that you all have been

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enjoying this and benefiting from this.

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All right,

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so today

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we are moving into reflecting feelings.

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We've been covering the three reflective responses,

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so we've done tracking behavior and reflecting content.

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And now we're on to reflecting feelings.

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Now,

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reflecting feelings happens to be the one that does double duty.

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So we have reflecting feelings in the reflective responses,

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and we have reflecting feelings in the pillars.

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So this one serves

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two purposes,

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if you will.

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intention behind this

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that the child

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has a sense

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that we are so in tune.

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That we are aware of what their experience is.

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Because reflecting content

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is,

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I've heard what you've said to me,

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tracking behavior,

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I've seen what you've done.

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Reflecting feeling.

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I'm right here with you and I understand

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your experience.

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more

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depth to reflecting feelings.

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interestingly enough,

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This is the least used skill among the most highly trained CCPTs.

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Reflecting feeling is the least used skill,

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no matter what your training is in CCPT.

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And that's fascinating to me.

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I would argue

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it's probably a lack of emotional vocabulary

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on.

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The part of the clinician.

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You have to have a pretty robust emotional vocabulary yourself

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to be able to

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reflect feelings in the playroom beyond happy,

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sad,

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mad,

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scared.

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And when I did my advanced reflecting feelings workshop,

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it was really interesting how many people that attended said,

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I'm going to start studying emotions more as a result of that.

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So that could be the reason.

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Maybe there are others as well,

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but we know that it's the least used

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skill even among the most highly trained clinicians.

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When we think about reflecting feelings,

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we are going to focus on the child's emotions.

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That makes sense.

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theoretically,

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feelings and emotions are different,

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we talked about that in the advanced course too,

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but that's way too complicated for this episode.

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So we're going to reflect the child's feelings.

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and not but yet,

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going to

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reflect desires,

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needs,

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wishes,

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intentions.

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That's kind of a subset

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of the reflective responses.

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We reflect emotions,

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but there are other things that we can reflect as well,

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and it doesn't really fit into another category.

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It doesn't go into reflecting content,

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it doesn't go into tracking behavior.

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I want to talk about it just because I want you all to be aware,

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the desires,

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needs,

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wishes,

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and intentions of a child are also worth reflecting.

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You really wish you could do that.

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You would love

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whatever.

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you're hoping that that will happen.

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reflecting other things as well.

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So be aware that that's kind of a related

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to the reflecting feelings piece,

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the desires,

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needs,

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wishes,

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intentions.

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But specifically today,

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the reflecting of emotions.

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It's a very simple formula.

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You,

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the emotion.

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And you either stop there

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or you add the qualifier.

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you're proud.

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That is

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a sentence.

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In,

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in total in completion.

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the explanation after that.

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You're proud,

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you hit the bull's eye.

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But you hit the bull's eye is optional.

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You're proud will suffice,

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and it's up to you based on the circumstance and the moment and the child.

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And the emotion probably.

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Whether or not it makes sense to just leave it

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at you in the emotion or add the optional ending.

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we decide which one is more important.

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Is because sometimes

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hits

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more

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if we just say.

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You're mad.

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But sometimes a child needs to understand the bigger picture.

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you're mad

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that

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we only have one minute left.

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You need to

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figure out when to use which one.

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They're both reflecting feelings

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and it's just whether or not we need more than just you and the emotion.

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second thought.

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I've talked about this a lot,

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probably not enough.

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And how can you talk about something a lot but still not enough?

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We,

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we need more of this is the point.

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Do not fill.

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Please do not fill,

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not for my sake,

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but for your children's sake,

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please do not fill

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your reflecting of feelings with fluff words.

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It's just

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you are.

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Emotion.

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It's not

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you look,

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you seem,

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you feel,

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you must be.

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We don't need any of those things.

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you're

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excited.

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You must be so excited.

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You seem so excited.

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You look so excited.

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It's unnecessary fluff and filler,

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and it takes away from the focus of the sentence

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which is helping the child

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have a word that adults use

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to describe what they're feeling.

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Alla an emotional vocabulary.

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You're giving them the word that adults use.

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To explain and describe what they're experiencing in that moment

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and the more words you fill around that.

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The less likely they are to

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help that build them an emotional IQ and vocabulary.

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eliminate the fluff words from your reflections.

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It's just you are the emotion.

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here's another caution.

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Don't make leaps

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based on the child's behavior.

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In other words,

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Just because the child is curled up on mom's lap in the lobby.

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And is choosing not to come back to the playroom at that moment.

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Unless the child has made it very clear verbally,

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or you can clearly

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see the emotion nonverbally.

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We would not say something like,

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you're scared to come back to the playroom.

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If we don't see fear,

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if the child has not communicated that in some way.

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We don't want to make that leap.

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kid starts

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kicking and punching and smacking Bobo.

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We don't want to say

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you're angry,

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you're hitting him as hard as you can.

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Is he angry?

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If he has

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a look on his face of anger.

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reflect that.

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But the behavior itself is not enough to make the leap toward the emotion.

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In the lobby scenario,

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that might be an opportunity to reflect something else.

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A desire,

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a need or a wish.

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might be appropriate to reflect a desire,

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a need,

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a wish,

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or an intention.

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be mindful.

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That just because a behavior is taking place,

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it does not necessarily get associated with an emotion.

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We have to safeguard against making that jump.

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often when we do,

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kids look at us like,

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what?

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And you know that

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you just

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kind of made

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a presumption that was not accurate.

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we want to try to avoid that.

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Your tone of voice and your facial expression

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are huge.

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In this skill.

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Your tone of voice

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should be appropriate for the feeling that you're reflecting.

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Your facial expression should be appropriate for the feeling you're reflecting.

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if it is

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a more positive emotion.

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Your tone of voice would be higher

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and your face would be

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positive.

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with a little bit of a smile

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A sort of happy look on your face.

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Like you don't need to,

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you know,

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be smiling ear to ear,

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but it should look like

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you are sharing in the positive emotion with the child,

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with a higher tone of voice.

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With a negative emotion.

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You're going to have a lower tone of voice,

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and your face is going to be either

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flat and neutral,

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or

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a small degree of whatever the child is experiencing.

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So if the child feels defeated,

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for example,

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We could have a look of

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defeat on our face to a lesser degree.

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If the child is angry or frustrated,

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we could have a frustrated or angry look on our face to a lesser degree.

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Be a thermostat,

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not a thermometer.

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Remember,

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rule of thumb.

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So we're going to make sure

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that we're not

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to the level that the child is.

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But it is still congruent with the child's experience.

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What you absolutely do not want to have happen

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is you're reflecting a negative emotion

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and you sound.

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Pleasant

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Or you're reflecting a positive emotion

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and you sound indifferent.

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So let me demonstrate what that would look like.

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If we,

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one of us were to say.

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You're really angry about that.

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That

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makes someone more angry.

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It feels so disingenuous.

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It feels so incongruent.

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Or likewise.

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Child is

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really.

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Gleeful

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and jumping around and all over the place happy

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and we say.

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You're pleased

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It just doesn't fit.

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So we have to make sure that our nonverbals

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are really involved

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in this process of reflecting feelings

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because

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in general

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nonverbal communication is far more

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impactful than verbal communication anyway.

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I think 90% of what's communicated is nonverbal,

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so that is important just in the grand scheme of things,

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but specifically for children and the emotional

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vocabulary build and the emotional IQ build.

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This is all part of the process for them.

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So we are intentional about those things.

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All right,

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so

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we've now finished the reflective responses segment.

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We are going to move into the pillars next.

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And my hope is that as we're going through this,

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you are realizing

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there's a very small

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short list

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of things that we do in the playroom.

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And it makes it feel more manageable

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and

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something that we can absolutely be adherent

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because

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there's only

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so many things that we're going to say and do in the play sessions.

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So as we walk through this,

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I,

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I believe that you all will feel more confident,

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which is my hope.

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All right,

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so really quickly,

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if you all are interested in the Six-Figure

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coaching program that begins on August 28th,

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so many of you have scheduled discovery calls with me

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that

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I may end up being either on a waitlist or having a second group.

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So

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y'all are

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really interested in,

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in these coaching programs,

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which I'm really excited about.

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So we do have a couple of weeks left.

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If you are interested,

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please sign up.

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Like I said,

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I may end up having to wait,

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I may end up starting a second group.

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I'm not sure what that looks like.

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Just wanted to let you know that August 28th,

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we will be starting a new group Thursdays at 5 Eastern.

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So

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go to playtherapynow.com if you want to schedule that.

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Also,

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I have been thinking a lot about.

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My schedule lately,

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if you will.

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I've had so many of you say,

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when do you sleep?

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When do you eat?

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How do you function?

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How do you have so much energy,

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you are so busy blah blah blah.

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I get that almost every time I talk to somebody.

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And

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I just want to say a few things about that,

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not to reassure you,

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just to communicate something that I think you know,

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you all need to hear.

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I am really busy.

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I do have a lot going on.

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I,

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I always say I have a lot of balls in the air that I'm juggling,

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but I want you all to know

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I am so deeply fulfilled

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with every single thing that I do.

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And when you love what you do,

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it's not draining and it's not exhausting,

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and it doesn't feel like work and it's not a burden.

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And I don't feel that way.

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I love every bit

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of what I do

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for CCPT

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and

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everything that I'm doing it,

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it's fulfilling to me.

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So

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thank you for giving me opportunities to do the things that I love.

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Thank you for listening to the podcast.

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Thank you for coaching with me.

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Thank you for joining the Collective.

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Thank you for your emails and your messages.

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Thank you for

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giving me

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the opportunity to do the things that I absolutely love.

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And I do sleep well,

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I do sleep.

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That that's the common question,

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do you sleep?

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I do.

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I'm a good sleeper.

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I promise you.

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I get more than 8 hours every night.

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But thank you for

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caring about CCPT in such a way that it allows me to pour into CCPT the way that I do.

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I love

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every single component of my schedule

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and I love you all.

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So

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I wanted to let you know,

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just in case you were losing sleep over me not sleeping.

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All right,

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we'll talk soon.

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Love you all.

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Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr.

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Brenna Hicks.

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For more episodes and resources,

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please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.

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