and Kelly AuCoin from "Billions"

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Speaker 1: Hello, my gorgeous humans. It's La La Kent and welcome to the Give Them La La with Randall podcast. We are so grateful that y'all have been sticking with us, as you know, in light of everything that is happening in this world, Give Them Lalla with Randal decided to take a two week break from the podcast for us to remember those who have lost their lives to police brutality, to educate ourselves and to get grounded and remember what is important in this life and what we need to do to encourage change. This episode is with Kelly o'coin. I don't know if you know him. He's just on this little show called The Billions. We did this podcast a few weeks ago and we decided to keep it on hold during our little hiatus, and we are so excited to share it with y'all now, So sit back and enjoy. It's Kelly o'coin on Give Them La La with Randal. What's up, folks, It's La La Kent with Ram. What's up baby?

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Speaker 2: Another episode?

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Speaker 1: Another episode.

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Speaker 3: I just keep I keep waiting for a time order to just put the plug on us and say you're wasting our airspace.

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Speaker 2: Not you, not you. Yeah, no, because you.

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Speaker 1: Better recognize I'm sorry, queen. I have the best time doing this podcast. It's the one thing I am doing where I'm like, Wow, it's.

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Speaker 2: All about me, the one and I look at it. I look at it differently. I look at it differently because.

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Speaker 1: I'm just fucking around.

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Speaker 2: You're not that's I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm I was really going to be more like sentimental and say it's the one thing I do where I'm like with my babe, we get to just banter that baby, and.

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Speaker 3: Tim, I want to ask you because you're a married man and we're about to get married. La, Yes, this is exactly what I was talking about, what you're doing. This is what I'm bringing up. What I'm bringing up is last night I was very upset and Lala now has her phone to her face again, and we have a new thing that we decide in our relationship that after nine o'clock at night, we are gonna not have phones and because one of us is always with the phone stuck to us.

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Speaker 1: I was actually really into the way that you approached it this morning, though.

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Speaker 2: How did I do it?

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Speaker 1: So he comes in from playing pickleball with his friends and he was like, babe, can we talk? I just would like us to not be so into our phones, like it hurt my feelings. Last night, you were on your phone until like midnight, and I was like, absolutely, When should we decide to put our phones down? We said nine thirty. Then I explained to him, yesterday I got really caught up just in like just like really exciting things. Pray yesterday, but give them la la beauty. And I was just like obsessing over all of it. So I and.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that, and I like that we could just talk to each other now and it's not always some big drama. But I'm curious to do you guys face phone issues or like if.

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Speaker 4: We've had this same conversation at least four or five times?

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Speaker 2: Really, but who's on the phone more you or your wife?

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Speaker 4: Probably me, but it goes back and forth.

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Speaker 1: Probably ten because his boss is Randall Emmett, so I would assume too.

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Speaker 2: I don't screw with you at night. What's in a blue moon?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I need a script for rarely rarely rarely, So it's just your wife is rides you and then do you have a time to put the phone down?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean we've I think we've said nine o'clock. Oh, but we haven't. It's like we've instituted it and then we forget about it. But we would both like that.

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Speaker 3: To be Can I tell you something I think us going forward with a nine o'clock phone rule. I think that you can't have sanity both going to sleep in a healthy way and having a good connection if both of you are glued to your phone, or even one of you are is glued. And I take full response. Really like last night, she was guilty, but I also been guilty twenty times in a row. So this is We're gonna really try this tonight.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've been okay with Randall being on the phone a lot more lately because I have a dream backyard that I would like and if being on the phone makes more money, then have at it. You have.

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Speaker 2: You have been very supportive lately because I.

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Speaker 1: Think I need that cabana at the end of my pool. Work work, work, Randal whips.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just slow her, fuck it down in a baby. I love you, baby.

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Speaker 3: You look so happy today, smiling, and you've got no bron as usual, and things are just lit up in this room. But I'm just gonna let that go all right, because it's a crime. What's going on here?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to some boysmails.

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Speaker 2: That's probably a good idea.

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Speaker 5: Hilo on rand reflex. I'm a huge fan of paroles, and my question for you guys is what excited for when it comes to being married. What is the aspect of being married that you're most excited for her? And also, to the same end, what aspect of the wedding are you most excited for? I know you guys are obviously postponing things, but what are you most looking forward to now that you've postponed? Really looking forward to hopefully hearing most of this? Love you guys.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. Most excited about the wedding and most sad about being married?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, The thing that I'm most excited about for the wedding is the look on Rand's face when I walk down the aisle in my dress. Let me say this, Can I tell you when I had the designer make my dress, I made sure I said I don't want any of my tattoos showing a covered baby.

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Speaker 2: Well, now I'm really excited.

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Speaker 1: We're I'm going to be one classy bitch on that day.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you, first of all, I'm not worried. I'm joking.

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Speaker 3: I know that you take that wedding day very seriously and you know that you only want to make me happy, and that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: Boom boom.

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Speaker 3: So my so, my thing is, uh, it's definitely on my wedding day. The thing that I'm going to be most excited about is obviously seeing you come down the aisle. That's gonna be a probably the highlight of the wedding. And and then what about what else?

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Speaker 2: Was the question?

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Speaker 1: What about being married? My I'm most excited to make babies? Ba boom boom.

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Speaker 2: I'm most excited about the process of making the baby.

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Speaker 1: All right, I get yead be fun.

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Speaker 3: I'm you know what I'm most excited about being married, I swear is really we're already one, but it really like just that it that it's like, I don't know, it just feels it's like the highest level of becoming one but also keeping our independence in our own you know, supporting each other's independence, but being one.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of I love it. Okay, Next question, Hilla and Randall.

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Speaker 6: This is Isabelle from Salt Lake City, Utah. I just wanted to say I love your podcast. I love you guys on vander Pump for My question is for Lala. I grew up in Utah pretty much most of my life, actually Saint George, Utah, where I graduated high school and went to intermedia and middle school. And I was curious, I know Laala grew up in Utah as well, and I had a lot of bullying going on when I was in high school, mostly because I was not a member of the church, and my friends were really strict members of the church and there was a lot of pressure from them and their families to join them. So it was kind of difficult for me to hold my ground and be who I am as a person and not become a member of the church and stick with my ideals. I was wondering if Lalla, you had the same issues or if you had a similar experience growing up in high school, and how you dealt with that. Keep doing what you're doing. Love you guys, bye.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, that is a good question.

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Speaker 1: I like that question. Yeah, I had the same issues. That's why it's such an asshole because I had to fight the bullies off with my words. I really did you know, like I used to be really sweet. Oh, just a sweet.

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Speaker 4: We're still so sweet. It's just like a little bite.

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Speaker 1: There's a bite. I didn't have that bite always. It's only when these you know, little school yard kids got a little too rough for the sandbox that I had to like kind of fuck shit up a little bit. Yeah, you know, since the time I was a little kid. The thing is, though, is like my dad grew up super Mormon, my mom was raised super Christian, and clearly they both did not like that. So Easton and I were just raised spiritual. But the crazy thing is in Utahs if you're not a Mormon, a lot of parents have a tough time letting their kids hang out with kids that are not a part of the church.

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Speaker 4: That makes sense, Yeah, yeah, in my hometown there were there was a pretty strong community of Mormons, and I was really good friends with you. Where did you grow up in a town called Rippon which is near Modesto. Okay, I don't know if it was like a bigger Mormon community than other places outside of Utah, but like I happen to be friends with a big Mormon popular Like a lot of my friends were Mormon and they were all they were generally very very creative. So they were in like the drama classes and band. I was in marching band. Oh yeah, does that shock you.

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Speaker 2: A little bit?

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Speaker 1: Kind of? I do picture you inquire?

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Speaker 4: I was in choir. Yeah, I was in a barbershop quartet.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you have to give us pictures.

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Speaker 4: I'll look for some pictures for you.

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Speaker 1: Dude. Producer Tim is always just bringing in some like new little things that I had no idea about.

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Speaker 4: A steel drum band.

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Speaker 1: Dude, you're so badass. Please Alex's faces like you're you're teaching your best friend new things about you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what.

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Speaker 1: Though, in Utah it was different from Mormons and other states because they're on their high horse, right, you know. And it's like, wait a minute, you're like being so judgy, but like the book Love says, don't be judgy.

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Speaker 4: Well, and it's like when you are kind of the population, the people that are different, it's easier to kind of make them feel different, even if you're not trying to, right. And there's they're gonna be assholes whether you're Mormon or not Mormon, you know what I mean. So there are gonna be asshole Mormons who pick up on that one thing that.

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Speaker 1: You know, what I remember about Mormons as they got older in my high school, they love to like call me a whore. That's like everyone's favorite thing is to call me a whore. And it's like, please come up with something different. And I because I dress like provocatively, you know, like I was like, dude, this body ain't gonna be like this forever. Like things are gonna start sagging at some point. And these people, the woman, the girl that's coming up and being like modest is hottest. Lala is like giving bejs. So the whole football team every Friday night. It's like, God, shut up. That's my experience. See, that's why I got my boss can talk from it at a young and there you go. I don't know, fun fact all right, I love it. Those questions were fun. We're gonna take a short break when Randall gets back. We have the infamous Kelly o'coyinn who is on Billions and I cannot wait to get him on the line. We'll be right back. We are back, my beautiful people, and we have a really fun guest. Today. We have Kelly a Coin, who Randall is obsessed with what's up, cal, How you doing, dude? We're good.

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Speaker 7: I love the pressure of real fun guests before we even got started.

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Speaker 8: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: I gotta just tell you so, first of all, I'm gonna blow your fucking ego up real quick. I am the biggest Billions fan. I know you get that hourly. I just have to tell you, Brian Koppleman, I blow up on the GRAM when he goes live. I hit him hard, like Brian, you're the man, and he's like him and the what's the other creator's name?

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Speaker 8: His partner, David Levine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So they're like on a line together and I'm blowing him up NonStop and he's like, he's like David, we got Randall Levan.

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Speaker 2: He's this big place.

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Speaker 1: It makes so much sense now, Kelly, because he'll like be on someone's live and he'll be like, I'm talking to David Levine or Brian whatever Levine and I'm like Avril and he's like, no, Billions, I'm like.

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Speaker 2: This guy is Avril Levine. That's the generation gap. That's generation gap.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 3: But I just have to tell you, first of all, not only is the writing on this show.

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Speaker 2: And I know you're.

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Speaker 3: A very, very prestigious theater actor. You start with Denzel Washington, you're like the real fuck McCoy. So I give you mad respect on all levels. But I want to say, it's got to be refreshing to work on a show that the actor bar is so high. The writing, so I just want to hear your initial take, you know, thoughts on that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean you've nailed it. I mean I've been really lucky. The show I was doing before this, and it overlapped a little bit, was The Americans, which was another show that had an incredible actor is an incredible writing. Billions is second to none as far as I can tell, in terms of the right the writer's room, which obviously is led by Brian and David uh and then the quality of the of the regulars and the guest stars that we get. I mean, people want to be on the show, and I think they want to be on the show because not only are they going to get to say some really fucking fun, funny, dark, weird shit, They're also going to like they're gonna be working with people that they've seen.

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Speaker 8: Before and they want to play ball with.

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Speaker 7: There's so many actors that I just I'm like, I can't believe I get to hang out with you for a day because you're awesome.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's so I mean even these even the small scenes, babe, Like even the the little scenes off to the right, Like those characters are so rich, they're so fun, they're so well developed, and you don't see that in a lot of TV, I mean, unless it's a high level Kelly.

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Speaker 1: He literally rewinds scenes four times.

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Speaker 7: To watch them through once at least and then go back or Okay, but.

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Speaker 2: Let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest, Kelly. Season one and season two, that season last scenes were the Mammont e epic David Mammont moment you could you could ever see between those guys.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they were, They were insane.

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Speaker 7: They always end well, they always and they always have like late season they have a mid season episode that sort of you know, the finale of which sort of launches them in the second half of the season in a different way, and then a couple of late late season episode like I think it was season three with the ice Juice Ice episode. My god, that wasn't even a season finale, and it was that epic epic They did fucking what you see Giamani's weeping and you turn around and he is kind of because he's lost all his money, but he's laughing because he won.

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Speaker 2: It's so sick.

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Speaker 1: It really is brilliant.

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Speaker 2: That's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: And the scenes that you show me, I'm like, okay, I get it.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Wait.

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Speaker 3: I have a couple a couple of fan girl questions myself because I'm still fan So, uh.

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Speaker 2: What's his name? The lead? Uh?

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Speaker 8: Damian Lewis?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Is he sorry? I'm overwhelmed? Is he nice guy? Fun?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: Is he because he seems so fun that he's having so much fun with the character.

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Speaker 2: What's he like?

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Speaker 8: He's a monster. He's a total monster.

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Speaker 7: And I've been sending out signals to people to fucking save us, and they just keep ignoring us. He's the He's the best. He and Giamatti and Maggie Siff and David Costable who plays Wags like they're all just great human people. And Chuck Senior Jeffrey Demand is a teddy bear.

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Speaker 8: He's a damn teddy bear. Everyone.

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Speaker 7: It's I've never seen a show where the level of sweetness is in complete inverse proportion to the level of malevolence and bile that they show on amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's a real family because we know a lot of shows out there, they really are monsters. So it's great. Have you guys, what are you? Are you in hiatus right now? Did you shoot anything and then stop? And what happened with the COVID with you guys?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can talk about it now because it's there's been I think a month ago there was an official statement, but we finished.

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Speaker 8: It's always a twelve episode season. We finished shooting seven.

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Speaker 7: We had just kind of dipped our toe into filming episode eight, and then we called it. So we have I don't know if they're in the can yet, but we're gonna air apparently seven episodes and then when we can, we're going to get back and finish.

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Speaker 8: The back five.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, I'm excited. So there will be more.

00:16:42
Speaker 8: So, yeah, there's gonna be more. I think.

00:16:45
Speaker 7: Oh, gee'z got we're almost halfway through this first part. I know, Yes, it blows my mind.

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Speaker 2: It's an amazing Oh.

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Speaker 1: I remember when the first episode was up and Brandon was like, Babe, we can't go to dinner tonight because billion billion started.

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Speaker 3: I was like, bro, and I'm so mad that Brian Koppleman. He needs to send me the friggin episode. This is not there that I have to watch it weekly. It is unacceptable and I am going to get him on them today that I need these episodes.

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Speaker 8: Do you want to binge that you prefer to binge this?

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Speaker 7: Yes, I think, don't you see I'm I'm kind of old school. I will binge ship, but I prefer if it's a show I really like. I like the anticipation, and one of the great things is the live tweeting.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I see the.

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Speaker 7: Episode ahead of time and I so, I mean, I know the script obviously spent a few months. I see the episode ahead of time and then I lie tweet with people and it's a blast because the fans are just billions.

00:17:43
Speaker 8: Fans are smart, and.

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Speaker 7: They're funny, and they're passionate, and they show up every week and it's like that kind of thing that you missed when you do when you do the benching.

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Speaker 2: I think I agree with that. I just am so on the verge because every every week it ends and I'm like going to a depression. I'm like this show.

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Speaker 1: That's when he starts pulling up the videos like what he did before we did this podcast, he.

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Speaker 4: Pulled up the videos.

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Speaker 2: And they take you into the room.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Randall is like a little fan girl right now. It's so cute. So, Kelly, we have you on the podcast thanks to Ben Mankowitz because he made the connection.

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Speaker 8: Thank god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great dude. I was so intimidated when he was on our podcast because he's brilliant. And then I'm looking at your bio and well now I'm looking at your bio and it's mind blowing that you and Ben have something in common and you both come you're both movie buffs and super into the arts, but you also come from a line of politicians.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 1: So like I'm always curious, was there pressure for you to like be that type of person or were you always was it? Just like I love to be in I love to act, I love the arts, and this is the path I'm going to take.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because your father being as successful as he was.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was a congressman, right and there's a I mean, you guys can see it.

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Speaker 8: There's a picture of him over there over my shoulder. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I love my dad, very proud of him. So yeah, Ben and I went to high school together. He's one of my best friends. You know, he's one of those friends I actually really like. Yeah, one of those guys. But yeah, so Frank Minkwitz, his father, you guys probably talked about it, was involved in politics, Bobby Kennedy's press secretary. He found he was the first head of the Peace Corps down in South America.

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Speaker 8: All kinds of great stuff. And my dad was a state representative.

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Speaker 7: For four years and then a in the US House Representatives for eighteen years from nineteen.

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Speaker 8: Seventy four to ninety two.

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Speaker 7: So that was all through my you know, like grade school, high school, and into actually into college. Yeah, I never had any specific pressure from him to do it. We were always an engaged activist family, progressive activism.

00:20:16
Speaker 8: I mean, I.

00:20:17
Speaker 7: Wouldn't hide that from anybody, because if you follow my Twitter feed, I get into arguments all the time.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. I gotta follow, I gotta follow.

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Speaker 8: But so I never had any but I never any pressure from him.

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Speaker 7: He and my mom wanted us to study art, work hard, whatever we were going to do, just work fucking hard. And I had a long chunk of time when I was less than I was lazy, and so he got on me, and actually, I think that made me a better actor because I you know, just instilling that work ethic.

00:20:50
Speaker 8: And I think that one of the reasons why he didn't freak out like a lot of.

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Speaker 7: Parents might about me being an actor is that one of the main things parents worry about is job security. But as a politician and a representative, he could be putted out office every two years, so he didn't really have any jazz, you know, living with doubt was a little bit okay.

00:21:08
Speaker 8: And then the performative aspects.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if you've noticed that politicians sometimes performers.

00:21:15
Speaker 1: They're the best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So I got a lot of stuff from him, I'm sure, and I've played politicians periodically, and I told him I steal from him, you know, mercilessly. But but he's My parents are very supportive.

00:21:29
Speaker 8: That's great.

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Speaker 1: I love hearing that because I've I grew up around the Huntsman family in Utah, and I just remember like the men in the family were on the same paths as their dad, as their grandfather, and so I love hearing that. He was like, yeah, go and be be an artist. So what was the what was your first gig that you bucked.

00:21:54
Speaker 8: I have to now professional gig.

00:21:57
Speaker 1: Yes, professional gig.

00:21:58
Speaker 7: Well, so after I left college, I had a Volkswagen bus and no money really, and I drove around the country with headshots propping off a resumes a different different regional theaters and sleeping in the back of my bus like I was sleeping.

00:22:16
Speaker 8: I always tell people I slept.

00:22:17
Speaker 7: In the parking lots of some of the finest hotels in the country.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's amazing.

00:22:23
Speaker 7: But I ran out of money in Portland, Oregon, which ironically was my hometown, and I crashed at my parents' little one bedroom apartment that they had in Portland because my dad was only there a little bit when he was in town, I'd sleep on the couch and I worked at a steel mill for a month to get money to go to get back to DC.

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Speaker 8: And while I was there, I auditioned for a show.

00:22:43
Speaker 7: And I got in and I think it was for a couple months later, and the woman was like, Okay, look, I want to hire you, but I don't know who you are.

00:22:53
Speaker 8: You don't live here, you just said you drove here.

00:22:55
Speaker 7: I know I can find your father through his office, but are you going to I'm back in three months when this starts, and I said yes, and so she took a.

00:23:03
Speaker 8: Little risk, and that was my first professional.

00:23:05
Speaker 2: Wait what was it? What was that show?

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Speaker 7: It with a play called A Lie of the Mind by Sam Shepard and yeah, yeah, it was a crazy good show. And then two years later I was down at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival and so that was my and that's one of the greatest times in my life. And that some of the first professional life theater I ever saw was at the Orgon Shakespeare Festival, this beautiful outdoor amphitheater and magical mountainee you know, rural, small town Oregon. And so I was there for two years and then and then moved on to la and to be with my wife, et cetera.

00:23:37
Speaker 8: But those were my.

00:23:38
Speaker 2: First Did you meet your wife while you were in Oregon?

00:23:40
Speaker 8: I met my wife at Oberlin College actually, so.

00:23:43
Speaker 3: Oh wow, So you guys stayed together while you were Yeah, I.

00:23:47
Speaker 8: Mean we had you know, we were like cool to see what happens.

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Speaker 7: And she had two more years of school, so I visited periodically. Uh, and she was from Los Angeles, so once, you know, I was like when I was at Ashley and finally she had just graduated and was in LA and we spent two years commuting back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

00:24:05
Speaker 3: So then so then when she graduated, you moved down to LA. You had finished your Shakespeare run basically.

00:24:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had, like there was a third season discussion for me, but it was not like the first season. I didn't do much of anything. Second season I had a couple of really nice roles. Third season was going to be just sort of not even stasis. It was like a little bit less, and you know, you I could I saw a path where I could have stayed in this magical place, like really like in my brain as a kid, that was the height of what acting could and should.

00:24:35
Speaker 2: Be your purest the purest form.

00:24:37
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it really and it is just physically magical if you google it and look at the pictures, it's just overwhelmingly beautiful.

00:24:43
Speaker 8: Summer theater, summer Shakespeare.

00:24:45
Speaker 2: You know.

00:24:45
Speaker 8: But I wanted to I.

00:24:47
Speaker 7: Wanted to try myself against other things, and I didn't want to regress. So I went down to LA to be famous, and I didn't get a gig for a year and a half.

00:24:54
Speaker 1: Were going to that's actually not that long. We're going to take a quick.

00:24:57
Speaker 2: Break, but I want to hear. I want to hear that.

00:25:00
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Okay, we are back. Randall's spam girling.

00:25:10
Speaker 3: Right, all right, I admitted that you don't need to redo it.

00:25:15
Speaker 2: I got it.

00:25:16
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. We have Kelly o'coin and he has he's spilling all the tea. And can I tell you I love because see.

00:25:25
Speaker 2: Kelly, this is the ship. I don't understand.

00:25:28
Speaker 3: I thought, spilling the tea, we drop it on the ground. This one with the spilling the tea, I can't.

00:25:33
Speaker 8: It sounds like a British thing, it does, right.

00:25:37
Speaker 1: What I love that we were just talking about is how you started in the theater. And I find with people my age that are in the industry, there's like this this version of being an actor and in the arts, but they try to get to that that point, because what does that mean? When you're on TV. You become a well known person. So you don't find many people my age who are like I did Shakespeare, I was in a play. So I die for the fact that, well, that's why you're a phenomenal actor.

00:26:15
Speaker 2: Right.

00:26:15
Speaker 1: Anybody who starts in the theater is like, holy shit, I could watch them all day.

00:26:19
Speaker 3: I agree, so tall the wait, tell real quick. When you came to LA, you struggle for your and aft didn't get a job. What was the first job that set it all off? And then we can get into the epic work from there.

00:26:30
Speaker 7: So what happened was my wife who was working as a physical therapist ade and was sort of on track to potentially become a physical therapist because she had run track in school and she was.

00:26:44
Speaker 8: Was a dancer and remains a dancer to this day.

00:26:48
Speaker 7: Wow, she performed in LA and did some great work, but sort of hit the ceiling. She didn't want to do a date myself, but she wasn't into David Lee Roth videos me the girl on the pole She actually did right.

00:27:01
Speaker 3: She was like a really trained, real dancer like I grew up with in the arts.

00:27:07
Speaker 8: And they are real.

00:27:07
Speaker 7: I'm not saying they aren't real dancers, but the type of dance that she was interested in, right, and and but even some of the dancers in those videos were but they weren't anyway, you know.

00:27:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not just l a modern or tap.

00:27:21
Speaker 1: It was like we're saying that she's not shake your ass is give them all with random all right, keep going and so.

00:27:34
Speaker 7: She decided to move to New York, which because she wanted to try herself against the best. And she reminds me constantly that I'm the one when we were in college together that she was like, I'm gonna give dance a year and I'm gonna go into my profession. And as she said, apparently I sort of laughed and was like, you're too good. You're gonna you should really give it as long as you can. Don't give it a year's she did, and that part of moving to New York apparently was because of fully embracing that. I Yeah, she came to New York, and it took like six months of frustration, as it always does. But then she started booking gigs, and she went to Europe a couple of times to do to work, and then she started booking gigs here in New York, and it was slower for me. But after two years or so, I started getting things that were that paid at least a little bit, you know, early on, but I never and this is okay, So this is where it sort of ties into what you're talking about. Before I never gave a shit about being famous, you know, and even now, like someone says I'm famous.

00:28:32
Speaker 8: I'm like, no, I'm moderately known.

00:28:35
Speaker 3: You know, I think, really well known at this point you're on the biggest show on TV.

00:28:39
Speaker 2: But well, yeah, okay, so.

00:28:41
Speaker 8: I didn't give a shit about being famous. I didn't. That's not what I wanted.

00:28:44
Speaker 7: I just wanted to act. I loved acting, and I was like, I can do this. I wanted to make a living. I wanted to be able to eat, have a place to live, and I have to live with my parents and have to borrow from my parents and maybe even help them when they're old, you know. But that's that's what started to happen with theater. It was like, all right, this is a very modest living that I have now for like twelve years here, I didn't have to do anything else though.

00:29:08
Speaker 8: I didn't have to cater I didn't have to wait tables.

00:29:12
Speaker 7: And I was happy and then all of it. And that's why people go to New York rather than LA. You know, we might want to do TV, but what when it comes down to it, the one thing we can't live without is theater, right and LA people say, I mean, they could be great at theater and they could love theater, but and this is of course gross terms. It's not quite this the bipolar, but it comes the conclusion that I want to focus on the screen. The great thing that happened about ten years ago in New York is screen came to us and we started getting all these great cable shows that were doing like, you know, twelve episodes, eight to twelve episodes, not twenty two to twenty five.

00:29:50
Speaker 8: So we actually were able to work on shows. The benefit for us was we could work on shows.

00:29:54
Speaker 7: For twelve months and then do theater, right, you have to do six and six, I mean yeah, And for them was great because their new faces, that the head had not been overused.

00:30:03
Speaker 2: And I want to say something about that.

00:30:04
Speaker 3: You know New York I always say is like, you know, actors like it makes you great and and and that's the heart of acting in New York. And then you come out to LA and obviously can make you famous. But you're right now shows are shooting all over the world that I think that that whole thing is broken down with tax credits and and all that stuff. But what what what was I to say? Oh, I I relate to that because when I came out to LA, all I want to do is produce movies. That was my dream. I slept on people's couches. I didn't want I didn't want to be like the big.

00:30:36
Speaker 2: Movie for so.

00:30:36
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be able to pay my bills and be on the movie set. I didn't give a ship you know about my name in lights as a producer, any of that shit.

00:30:44
Speaker 2: I just wanted to.

00:30:45
Speaker 1: But then once he got a taste of it, Kelly was like, a.

00:30:54
Speaker 3: That's bullshit. I was Kelly for twenty years. I was behind the scenes, and then this one dragged me out of the shadow. So just remember that anyway, Okay, I have a good I have a question that I just think a lot of young actors and young artists coming up want to hear from somebody who is successful. You know, what do you recommend to young actors today if they were graduating from college or graduating from high school?

00:31:17
Speaker 2: And you know, like I grew up.

00:31:18
Speaker 3: I went to Friming Arts High School where Udah Hogen came and trained us, and and we studied high school high school in Miami, New Old School there's we Uda Hoggen came twice a year and Meisner and Meisner.

00:31:30
Speaker 2: Was what we studied. At sixteen.

00:31:33
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's crazy.

00:31:35
Speaker 3: And my best friend from from an arts high school was Katie Finneran, who won the Tony twice on Broadway.

00:31:41
Speaker 2: So there you go, there you go.

00:31:42
Speaker 8: So you've got some uh yeah, okay, you've got some peaks.

00:31:45
Speaker 3: I love the theater and I'm such a big fan of great actors, but I'm and I'm so removed at that point. You know, from the heart of your craft, what what do you recommend today? If somebody's just coming out of Iowa and his passion, what do they do and what do what do you think is the right steps?

00:32:03
Speaker 7: I mean the business technologically and the business technically, everything about it is so different from when I arrived in New York. So it's hard for me sometimes to give when I get this question, It's hard for me to know what type of actual practical advice, which is what I wanted at the time. I want to give me a roadmap. I just how do I get in there? And I guess the similarity would be that there is no roadmap exactly the things I.

00:32:30
Speaker 8: Think you need to do, and there was somebody else I was just telling one of these things too. First one though, is create a community as best as you can.

00:32:38
Speaker 7: Be happy for them and support them and let them help them rise, because you'll rise with them, or at least it can give you hope.

00:32:45
Speaker 8: That one of my own made it.

00:32:47
Speaker 7: Try not to be jealous, be ambitious, but don't be competitive as much as you can do that, and that's we're all human, so we're all going to fail at that, But strive for that as much as you can. And sometimes pretending that you're not fucking jealous will actually make.

00:33:02
Speaker 1: Me you're not jealous. I love it when I catch myself getting super fucking someone's doing better than I am. I'm like, oh my god, I'm so happy for you, and all of a sudden, I'm like, wow, I feel really good. I am happy for them.

00:33:18
Speaker 3: On the opposite, I know, because she does get very she gets in his zone.

00:33:22
Speaker 2: But I you know, I I just get more competitive.

00:33:25
Speaker 3: But I don't think I get jealous, like on a kind of hater ade kind of level.

00:33:29
Speaker 2: It's just like it's a kind of level.

00:33:32
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

00:33:33
Speaker 8: No.

00:33:33
Speaker 2: But I think that advice is great.

00:33:34
Speaker 3: I think that you're right, Like, like, thanks, babe, you want to keep going.

00:33:37
Speaker 2: You want to keep going today, You're in a today off. I gotta I don't get to go home. You know what I'm saying.

00:33:45
Speaker 1: It's right here, this is Kelly. Can I tell you? And I'm obviously in no way on a show like Billions. I caved to reality Billions. No weird, right, I feel like our script is written just as well. I'm just kidding, but I.

00:34:03
Speaker 2: Feel safety.

00:34:06
Speaker 1: But I feel I feel the same way as when people kind of ask for you know, they do want a roadmap. I still look for a roadop and I think that you gave perfect advice. It's like, take every opportunity, compete with yourself and yourself only to do better. I really love the advice that you just gave.

00:34:24
Speaker 7: And really, if you're not, if you're looking to be famous, then I can't help you because I have no fucking idea.

00:34:31
Speaker 1: Agree you're looking to be famous, you need to be crazy and get on a reality TV show, right or yeah, or.

00:34:39
Speaker 8: Be incredibly I don't know, Instagram famous. Right.

00:34:42
Speaker 3: Don't try to be an actor, right, you should not be an actor if you want to be famous.

00:34:45
Speaker 7: And there are ways, like, look, there are there are are people on Billions, I mean people on Instagram.

00:34:51
Speaker 8: Everything's Billions. It's like Malcolm.

00:34:54
Speaker 7: Billions, billions, But there are people on Instagram who actually figure out how to use that medium order to create some fantastic content.

00:35:02
Speaker 8: So do that if you know how to do that. I'm old. I don't know how to do that.

00:35:05
Speaker 2: Really.

00:35:06
Speaker 7: I can tweet because I think I'm funny and I can do things short, but Ben would quipple with me being funny. But here's one other thing. And I said this to somebody recently, but it's true. There was a guy at the point at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival, an actor who spent some time in Hollywood and done he'd done some he made some waves, but he chose to be at the festival. But he said, you're gonna have, you know, a bunch of people who say call me, look me up, or come on buy when you get down here. And he said, you say twenty people, do it, eighteen of them you show up, they're gonna be like, who are you?

00:35:41
Speaker 1: Like?

00:35:41
Speaker 8: What are you doing here? And you're gonna feel like an asshole.

00:35:44
Speaker 7: And if you let that feeling of feeling like an asshole keep you once, you had to hit the first three all.

00:35:50
Speaker 8: Five, three, five of them whatever, They're all like, oh my god, who are you, asshole? They're like, oh, I'm an asshole. I'm not gonna I'm going to ignore the.

00:35:56
Speaker 7: Rest of the fifteen, but then you can miss those two people who actually will try to help you. Right, So go through the eighteenth. All you have to do is remember that you're not.

00:36:05
Speaker 8: The asshole they are. Yes, it's hard, it's.

00:36:09
Speaker 7: Hard to do, and it took me a while, but I finally started following this guy's advice. And that's when I actually met somebody, a casting person who was like, I'm going to recommend it to this other casting person and I started going in one.

00:36:21
Speaker 1: Wow, and look at you now.

00:36:23
Speaker 3: But I will say, I will say, our business, Kelly, is very They just kind of like don't want to. There are a lot of times where I find they don't want to lift you up, they want to just put you down. And I think you have to keep that mentality. I've done it in all these years, where you just got to know who you are, believe in yourself, and you'll find those people that do support you, and those are the people that matter.

00:36:44
Speaker 8: I think that's right.

00:36:45
Speaker 7: And actually, even those people who are the asshole, they might not be assholes. They just might not really give a shit about you, and maybe they're busy, maybe there's all kinds of stuff going on. You just with them, and you know, in the moment they might have met it meant it right, but and it makes you feel good to say, look.

00:37:02
Speaker 8: Me up, I'm gonna help you out.

00:37:04
Speaker 7: But then you have to do. The real good people will be the ones who back.

00:37:08
Speaker 1: It up, who back it up. But the best feeling in the world I can imagine would be the people that were assholes and then you kind of ignore them and you blow the fuck up one day and then they roll up on you and they're like, how have you been. You're doing great. It's like, yeah, no, thanks to you.

00:37:23
Speaker 8: By the way, that sounds a little bit like you might have some experience.

00:37:28
Speaker 2: Am I actually puts it on TV, Kelly, it goes a step further.

00:37:31
Speaker 1: Okay, but Kelly, I I read that you have done soap operas.

00:37:37
Speaker 7: When I was first in New York, I think I was on three but literally like two lines, five lines something like that.

00:37:45
Speaker 1: Okay, So reality TV now, which okay, I do, is looked at as the modern day soap opera. I like to say that's great, because I love soap opera so perfect label it that. What was the difference being on set on a soap opera and being on set on Billion? I gotta know, I gotta loaded question.

00:38:10
Speaker 2: Good luck, Kelly. Yeah, I think.

00:38:13
Speaker 8: I think one of the big things was.

00:38:17
Speaker 7: I had good experiences on the soap operas because it was my first year in town. I'd just never been on a set before, so for me, it was all just new okay.

00:38:27
Speaker 8: And there was one that I got.

00:38:28
Speaker 7: That was supposed to be recurring, and there was kind of a funny, sort of sexy little banster and I was like, oh, cool, Yeah, that means that someone will cast me maybe.

00:38:37
Speaker 8: To be sexy guys.

00:38:39
Speaker 7: Cool, you know at the beginning, any affirmation because you don't know, like, am I weird looking?

00:38:44
Speaker 8: Am I annoying? Am I interesting at all? Am I potentially attractive? Whatever?

00:38:49
Speaker 7: So those things were actually great about the soaps, I didn't have nearly anything to do.

00:38:54
Speaker 8: The biggest difference, if I look back on it, because.

00:38:56
Speaker 7: There was a long break between those and then finally getting to do more TV. Lack of rehearsal because they're putting up an entire show every day, right, so it would be lacking and even you know with TV, with with episodics or you get two weeks even that The problem, not problem, the difference from theater is lack of rehearsal.

00:39:17
Speaker 2: So it really so quick.

00:39:19
Speaker 7: It's so quick. It's so quick, and the extemporaneous stuff. I mean, I look at soap actors now that I used to accept for very few. I used to be like, well they're kind of wooden. What's that about? And it's like, well, you're fucking they're trying to remember that they have like a three page monologue that they got ten minutes ago. Right, look at them now with that in mind, and they're fucking Olivier right right.

00:39:40
Speaker 1: I love it.

00:39:41
Speaker 3: Okay, real quick. We have our producer Tim here as well. He's a fan of the show. Tim, would you like to ask a question. I'm gonna give you a moment because I know you're fangirling as well.

00:39:50
Speaker 4: I am definitely fangirling Kelly. It's it's great to meet you.

00:39:53
Speaker 2: All right. He doesn't do too he doesn't know you, no, I know, Hey, be nice to Tim. Yeah, but I'm the face that's the question on.

00:40:04
Speaker 4: I read that. I think it was your dad that said your career really started to take off once you started shaving your head.

00:40:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god, that's great. Yeah, he did.

00:40:19
Speaker 8: My dad.

00:40:20
Speaker 7: My dad has always been very supportive of it, as I said, and he also is. He's he's long been one of those guys in his various careers, even before politics, that tries to figure out angles, not like in a con man kind of way, but like a strategic sort of way, like presentation.

00:40:38
Speaker 8: He was a he was an ad man for a while, you know that kind of stuff.

00:40:42
Speaker 7: He Yeah, I think because I balded in a really awkward way, not.

00:40:48
Speaker 8: Like guys were just sort of thin.

00:40:49
Speaker 7: My hair was thick, except in the back of my head, where it was just gone, like the reverse what age.

00:40:56
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god. I got to tell my buddies to reverse Yamica. That's amazing.

00:41:01
Speaker 8: It's like someone was golfing on the top of my head and took out a divot. It was just gone.

00:41:05
Speaker 3: I mean, Kelly, I guarantee you the name of this episode, our producers of Time Warre are going to call it the reverse Yamica.

00:41:10
Speaker 2: Already. It's as good as a cats, It's as good.

00:41:13
Speaker 8: As a Cats.

00:41:16
Speaker 7: I was probably early thirties, early to mid thirties, and I still had a baby face at that at that point, so it was like this weird sort of thing.

00:41:24
Speaker 8: It just wasn't working. It was easier for theater, but I had some TV people say the same thing.

00:41:29
Speaker 7: It's like, you probably should start buzzing his head or get a piece, or get a transplant. I actually went to one of those hair transplant places.

00:41:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, just year, what year? How long ago?

00:41:40
Speaker 8: Mid I was mid thirties.

00:41:41
Speaker 7: I don't know, not the mid nineteen thirties, but I was in my mid thirties.

00:41:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's why they used some poke big holes in your head. Yeah, yeah, you would have had the craters.

00:41:53
Speaker 8: What he told me.

00:41:53
Speaker 7: It never occurred to me though. It's like, well, no, we'll do it here now. It was going to cost me like ten fifteen thousand dollars, which I didn't even have. But then you also continue to lose your hair around that, you're gonna have a little island and then you're gonna do it again.

00:42:10
Speaker 8: And he used the word harvest.

00:42:12
Speaker 2: Oh god, harve.

00:42:14
Speaker 8: From the back of your head. And I'm like, this is a Stephen King novel. I'm out of here.

00:42:18
Speaker 1: That is so fucking gross. And then you just like randomly become a chia pet.

00:42:23
Speaker 2: What is that?

00:42:24
Speaker 3: And by the way, if you look at people's transplants from twenty years ago, it is like a whole punch like you can check it out.

00:42:30
Speaker 2: You could bury yourself into each follicy.

00:42:33
Speaker 7: Still, okay, So I started shaving my I started shaving my head and it was like that year that I started just I don't know, there was something about my face that evened out in people's perspective.

00:42:44
Speaker 1: I guess I really dig the big head. I think, yeah, I think you look great.

00:42:51
Speaker 2: Oh, I think he looks great.

00:42:53
Speaker 1: But I think you're right.

00:42:55
Speaker 2: But I'm a fat Jew. Fat Jews can't have a ball dead. I would, I would be dead.

00:42:59
Speaker 3: It'd be humpy, dumb, dean steroids. Oh no, I would never. I'll pay a million dollars to keep my hair before I go bald.

00:43:06
Speaker 2: It's never gonna happen.

00:43:08
Speaker 1: No good, your hair.

00:43:09
Speaker 3: Your chiseled and I and I've got like family underneath my chin.

00:43:13
Speaker 8: So you're a handsome son of a bit.

00:43:14
Speaker 2: Thank you.

00:43:15
Speaker 1: Oh that was cute. I love that fun Kelly Kelly quick question.

00:43:20
Speaker 2: I don't want to run out of time.

00:43:21
Speaker 3: You work with Peter Burg, which I financed and produced Loan Survivor The king.

00:43:26
Speaker 2: How, Yes, Yes, I did.

00:43:28
Speaker 8: You did The Kingdom?

00:43:29
Speaker 2: No, I did? I did Loan Survivor. You did The Kingdom? I did? Yeah?

00:43:32
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, yeah, because you think I would.

00:43:34
Speaker 2: I would have seen you, Kelly, I would have seen you.

00:43:36
Speaker 3: Okay, but tell me tell me that experience and and Spielberg, tell me those two.

00:43:41
Speaker 7: It was fantastic. It was on location and I love I always love going away. I love hotels. I love being on locations.

00:43:46
Speaker 8: Like love it. Uh yeah.

00:43:49
Speaker 7: And I got to take a van like forty five minutes or a half hour or something to set and back every day with Anna Devere Smith and Richard Jenkins, and there was one it was just Richard Jenkins.

00:44:01
Speaker 8: And I am such a huge fan of both of those.

00:44:03
Speaker 7: Anna Deavere Smith is a theater god and Richard Jenkins, I'm sure has done tons of theater, but but he's a TV movie guy.

00:44:11
Speaker 2: The greatest, the greatest.

00:44:12
Speaker 8: I got to hang out with these guys and.

00:44:15
Speaker 2: For an hour every day, for an hour every day.

00:44:17
Speaker 7: For an hour every day, and the last time, the last half hour ride after we were done shooting a day early, which was a bummer to me.

00:44:24
Speaker 8: I'm sure Peter Berg loved it.

00:44:26
Speaker 3: He's fast, by the way, on Los Rivory finished five days early, five days.

00:44:29
Speaker 8: That's incredible. He was fast, and he was great.

00:44:31
Speaker 7: He would throw lines to you and everything, and he had Jamie Fox and me like up in each other's face.

00:44:36
Speaker 8: Was like playing with Jamie FOXX.

00:44:39
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:44:39
Speaker 8: Awesome.

00:44:40
Speaker 7: But so on the ride home, Jenkins was like, hey, let's get a drink at the hotel afterwards, and I was like, great, yeah, I just have to call my wife and I meet you in half an hour.

00:44:51
Speaker 8: And so I called my wife and she was like, up in the room, she said, what are you doing? Is Richard Jenkins? Go down, I have a drink with him. He's like my favorite actor in the world. Go tell him that your your wife loves him.

00:45:00
Speaker 7: So I went down and he didn't show up because I think I misspoke. I think he thought that I was saying.

00:45:07
Speaker 8: I can I have like half an hour? Then I got to call my wife. Oh, so I didn't get to have my drink with this.

00:45:13
Speaker 7: Yeah.

00:45:13
Speaker 8: And he's like one of my favorite actors in the world. And we liked each other and he liked.

00:45:18
Speaker 2: Me, but he doesn't like, I bet he doesn't talk to you anymore.

00:45:21
Speaker 8: Yeah, I bet he didn't. Like.

00:45:21
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sure he remembers that guy who stood him up in the Arizona Hotel.

00:45:26
Speaker 8: He's the guy in that minor role.

00:45:28
Speaker 3: So I'm just talking because we're both been sitting on the bench now for the last two months with COVID. Just to update you, there was an article that I just had come out in Deadline that I did where I was directing my first movie in Puerto Rico with Megan Fox and Bruce Willis and Emel Hurst all these people, and we got shut down. We are doing our final UH interview next week with SAG, which were optimistic that they hopefully will sign off and then we can go back to work in the IA, which we also need their protocols. They're saying around June first they're going to release their so hopefully hopefully in June between the both unions, they are encouraging all of us safely of course, to go back to work, so not gun Wood. Also, I told you no fucking around. I'm sending you a script today because I need you in my movies.

00:46:15
Speaker 2: You're just talking.

00:46:16
Speaker 8: Would you'd make my day?

00:46:18
Speaker 1: Just wheeling and dealing. That's what we do here. We picked the brain and then we give movie roles.

00:46:25
Speaker 8: That's good luck. I hope that works out.

00:46:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really OPTI by the way, I'm optimistic, and I said for the whole industry, because you know, our industry, theater, film, television, whatever it is, is dying.

00:46:35
Speaker 2: We've all been you know. You know it's brutal.

00:46:37
Speaker 3: I mean, it's brutal for people that I know, you know, our working paycheck to paycheck, and I just want us to go back to work so that we can you know, as a community, we work. We're artists, and we don't do well not creating. And I know we've done the best we can with with where we are, but we just we all want to go back to work.

00:46:55
Speaker 8: So and most of us, yeah, and most of us are workaholics. Yeah. People look at creatives, I hate that term. It sounds pretentious, but they look at creatives as sort of like like lazy and lucie, and it's like, no, we just want to work. It's the opposite, the opposite, the opposite.

00:47:10
Speaker 3: And I agree, and I think that all artists right now, whether you're a filmmaker or actor or whatever. We're just all we want to do is we want to be safe, but we want to go back to work. So I'm optimistic for us all.

00:47:20
Speaker 1: I had the best time having you on today.

00:47:22
Speaker 2: Kelly.

00:47:23
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

00:47:25
Speaker 5: This is good.

00:47:26
Speaker 8: You guys are a black I'm serious. I haven't laughed as much since quarantine.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's so appreciated that you came on, and we hope that you have the best day ever.

00:47:36
Speaker 2: Yes, Kelly, thank you.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you on Billions.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 4: This is it a la Hi.

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Speaker 5: I'm Chelsey and I am a native and it's so funny you talk out how you're from Utah. I'm the mom of three kids and it's still fun to listen to here podcast to be Diapers and you guys are d Thanks for this awesome podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. My loves. To everyone who has already called in to leave us messages, please keep them coming because we love hearing from you. Call us anytime at eight sixty six La La Pod. That is eight sixty six La La Pod. My mother effing love you.