Ep. 423: 'The Coliseum Collection' - The Macho Man Randy Savage & Elizabeth (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 3>Been a classic and polls possibly.
<v Speaker 6>We spent a lot of time, most recently talking about
<v Speaker 6>you know, if there are wrestling careers that we should do,
<v Speaker 6>Funk style revisitations of.
<v Speaker 3>At the top of the.
<v Speaker 6>List, and the solar system of Grease is the macho man, ready, savage,
<v Speaker 6>and so much.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, in every way, in every way possible. He's he's he's,
<v Speaker 3>he's got. He's the incredible mix of being uh uh an,
<v Speaker 3>incredible in the ring, incredible out of the ring, a
<v Speaker 3>money maker, and you know, legendary overall, you know for
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five years. Yeah, like it's it's he's got.
<v Speaker 3>He's got that kind of a career without a doubt.
<v Speaker 6>Look at so many money ideas that cross the transom
<v Speaker 6>here at the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast. We put that one,
<v Speaker 6>you know, sort of to simmer. We put it in
<v Speaker 6>the let's say the basement freezer where you put them
<v Speaker 6>that one day you know you're going to cook to perfection, right,
<v Speaker 6>you don't know which day, but it's got to be
<v Speaker 6>that freezer.
<v Speaker 3>Right. I like the turkey I have in my freezer.
<v Speaker 3>So do you still have that? By the way, I
<v Speaker 3>have a turkey. I have a turkey in there that's
<v Speaker 3>just waiting to be eaten. Got to you gotta keep
<v Speaker 3>us posted on when that final absolutely, oh for sure.
<v Speaker 3>And listen, it's gonna happen, and they're gonna be sandwiches.
<v Speaker 6>And so right and that's in a lot of ways,
<v Speaker 6>that's how we're looking at Macho Man Randy Savage here.
<v Speaker 6>You know, there will be sandwiches. And I think the
<v Speaker 6>first sort of hint, the first waift from the kitchen
<v Speaker 6>is the fact that, serendipitously, here on the Colosseum collection
<v Speaker 6>journey that we've been on, going through every WWF Colosseum
<v Speaker 6>home video release in order until they're all done, we
<v Speaker 6>arrive suddenly at the very first release focused on the
<v Speaker 6>Macho Man Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what a wild what a I mean, out of
<v Speaker 3>all the ones that have been hyper focused on an individual,
<v Speaker 3>he seems to be one that it's like he had
<v Speaker 3>just jumped on the scene and they already made a
<v Speaker 3>video of him. Yes, It's like, within within a year,
<v Speaker 3>within a year of him joining the company, he had
<v Speaker 3>a video where it's like, you know, you can say
<v Speaker 3>the same I guess wrong with Piper, But Piper was
<v Speaker 3>different in that Piper was already had already made evented WrestleMania,
<v Speaker 3>you know, and Savage hadn't even done I mean interconningual Champion.
<v Speaker 3>That was kind of it. He was on his way
<v Speaker 3>up still.
<v Speaker 6>Yes, and what's most fascinating, I think is that he
<v Speaker 6>started going after Hulk for the world title, yes, before
<v Speaker 6>he became the intercontinental champ. One would look at his
<v Speaker 6>trajectory in WWF and kind of think, oh, he came in,
<v Speaker 6>you know, established himself quickly as a total workhorse, on
<v Speaker 6>par with a steamboat in the mid card, and got
<v Speaker 6>the Workers' Championship, beating Santana, who in a lot of
<v Speaker 6>ways held that position at WWF for years prior. Eventually
<v Speaker 6>he was just too good and they had to put
<v Speaker 6>the world title on Himent.
<v Speaker 3>No.
<v Speaker 6>No, he was good enough to them from the beginning,
<v Speaker 6>and the package with him and Elizabeth was compelling enough
<v Speaker 6>that he went after Hogan before he even touched the
<v Speaker 6>icy belt. And I think in a lot of ways,
<v Speaker 6>the Colisseum Video era, in terms of when it starts chronologically,
<v Speaker 6>really helps us appreciate that about Randy Savage, and this
<v Speaker 6>tape does too, the amount of things they were able
<v Speaker 6>to say about the essence of what Randy Savage's character was,
<v Speaker 6>the interplay with Elizabeth, his in ring that stood out
<v Speaker 6>so much the promos. It's already on this tape, you know,
<v Speaker 6>every sort of note is hit on this tape and
<v Speaker 6>it cuts off in like mid to late nineteen eighty six,
<v Speaker 6>I know, and we've already got all we need to
<v Speaker 6>understand that Savage is money forever.
<v Speaker 3>It's funny. The one thing that they didn't do on
<v Speaker 3>this tape was given that they've they've it's not like
<v Speaker 3>they haven't done repeats in the past on Colisseum tapes,
<v Speaker 3>but they didn't do the repeat of the of finding
<v Speaker 3>the manager of choosing Elizabeth.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's a key segment where she walks through the
<v Speaker 6>orange doors at the Pennsylvania tapings.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I know we saw it on the Manager's tape,
<v Speaker 3>you know, whenever we did that quite a while ago.
<v Speaker 3>But it was I thought that was interesting that that
<v Speaker 3>they didn't include that. It's almost like this picked up
<v Speaker 3>right after that, and it's not even it's not even
<v Speaker 3>a long tape, right, you know, for Cosseum tape. It's
<v Speaker 3>actually it's it's very short, and so it just was
<v Speaker 3>kind of surprised they wouldn't include that, given that we've
<v Speaker 3>seen the Tito Savage match. This is what the third
<v Speaker 3>time I think on Colisseum tape that we've seen.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, the rold Steel match, the rold Steel match. Yes, well,
<v Speaker 6>we'll try to add some more garnishment to the plate
<v Speaker 6>that we've had several times already as it regress, because
<v Speaker 6>in a lot of ways, this tape is a monument
<v Speaker 6>to his feud with Tito Santana.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it absolutely is. I didn't realize they had such
<v Speaker 3>a thing, such a crazy back and forth program.
<v Speaker 6>And it loops in Bruno San Martino amazingly, which I
<v Speaker 6>honestly didn't even about. I know, that's a great question.
<v Speaker 6>While all of a sudden, Bruno and Adrian and Donnis
<v Speaker 6>teaming with Randy Savage against Bruno San Martino and Tito
<v Speaker 6>Santana headlining the garden sans Hogan even Yeah, just just
<v Speaker 6>just fascinating the twists and turns it took, and how
<v Speaker 6>in a lot of ways, you know, like I said,
<v Speaker 6>Tito handed over the mantle of the mid card workhorse
<v Speaker 6>champion to Andy Savage, and it made a ton of
<v Speaker 6>sense just in terms of the passing of the torch
<v Speaker 6>that it was Savage to take over from Santana. Well,
<v Speaker 6>let's not get carried away.
<v Speaker 3>He didn't.
<v Speaker 6>He didn't take the first torch he touched that that
<v Speaker 6>belonged to a certain hulkster.
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like a balanced thing back indo, because
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what you're talking about. Stealing torches brought it.
<v Speaker 6>I'm so damn fascinated because Savage, as colorful and wild
<v Speaker 6>as he was, he he didn't present in nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 6>five to me as someone. They're like, we got to
<v Speaker 6>put him against Hogan in the Garden as soon as possible.
<v Speaker 6>Like it's almost like there's some kind of deal there,
<v Speaker 6>you know, you know.
<v Speaker 3>The only the only reason I even knew about that
<v Speaker 3>was because of Scott Keith's old book. Oh yeah, because
<v Speaker 3>he put it in there. He put he put it
<v Speaker 3>in on the Savage chapter that Savage came in, and
<v Speaker 3>they immediately paired him with Hogan, and they realized how
<v Speaker 3>hot it was, and they decided to put on the
<v Speaker 3>back burner for a while and save it for something special. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>obviously they did, but it's that was the only reason
<v Speaker 3>why I really knew if they did have a program
<v Speaker 3>like right when he came in, which but why they did,
<v Speaker 3>I you have no clue.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, speaking of Tito in terms of like those
<v Speaker 6>early programs that procede a run that we kind of
<v Speaker 6>think of most easily he was. I didn't realize this though.
<v Speaker 6>I was researching this episode before Hogan beat Shek in
<v Speaker 6>eighty four to become champ for the first time in WWF.
<v Speaker 6>She had a program. I guess you could say a
<v Speaker 6>match with Tito. Tito was going for the Iron Cheeks
<v Speaker 6>WWF Championship. Wow, it was obviously just for a for
<v Speaker 6>a heartbeat, but you know that's part of the tier
<v Speaker 6>that happened.
<v Speaker 3>I know how many times did Tito ever go for
<v Speaker 3>the world title? Yeah? I think that would be about it. Honestly.
<v Speaker 3>One thing I picked up. Part of me wonders if
<v Speaker 3>he had like a couple I don't know, some kind
<v Speaker 3>of like some some house show matches with I could
<v Speaker 3>see him having house show matches with Flair in ninety two,
<v Speaker 3>but I don't know if that ever happened.
<v Speaker 6>I don't I don't know. One thing I do know
<v Speaker 6>about that early nineties is remember there's always that thing
<v Speaker 6>about there was a list of guys that could be next,
<v Speaker 6>and Bret got the nod and Tito was somehow on
<v Speaker 6>that list. Do you remember that show they did in
<v Speaker 6>Spain where Tito Pin's undertaker Clean in ninety one when
<v Speaker 6>no one could touch Undertaker. Yes, yes, Tito would talk
<v Speaker 6>later and shoot interviews about that being part of testing
<v Speaker 6>the waters. What if we pivoted post Hogan to Spanish
<v Speaker 6>speaking markets, not only the country of Spain, but Latin
<v Speaker 6>and South America, And what if we put the strap
<v Speaker 6>on a Spanish speaking superstar and that happened, that moment
<v Speaker 6>of him defeating Undertaker when no one expected it, at
<v Speaker 6>a time when they were trying to see how we
<v Speaker 6>would play in Spain as like a top, baby faced
<v Speaker 6>type of guy that obviously lasted. So the only reason
<v Speaker 6>people even remember it is because it just seems so
<v Speaker 6>weird because he became Almatador after that, and it's like, what,
<v Speaker 6>how could they possibly have slotted this guy in that
<v Speaker 6>position in their minds?
<v Speaker 3>Maybe that's maybe that's what we're doing. Well, yeah, you
<v Speaker 3>know what we Listen, if we're gonna if we're going
<v Speaker 3>to appeal to the to the Spain crowd, right, he
<v Speaker 3>should be a Matador totally Spain right there. You can
<v Speaker 3>see Vince's mind going there, have him be l Mattador.
<v Speaker 6>I think Elnatador should have been doing Champion. I think
<v Speaker 6>that would have.
<v Speaker 3>Been Listen, hey, if I'm being completely honest, he absolutely
<v Speaker 3>was in my universe? Are you serious? He held the strap?
<v Speaker 3>Of course, everybody held the strap. At some point I
<v Speaker 3>got to the well, I mean I well because I
<v Speaker 3>wanted the feeling of, like, you know, the idea of
<v Speaker 3>like what would happen if Tito Santana was champion? What
<v Speaker 3>would happen if Texas Tornado was champion? What would happen
<v Speaker 3>if Road Warrior Animal was champion? You know? And everybody
<v Speaker 3>I had Ax Ax was a when I when I
<v Speaker 3>had Demolition break up. I don't know how I remember this,
<v Speaker 3>but I had Ax be world champion several times, like
<v Speaker 3>when they broke up, and I made I made for
<v Speaker 3>some reason, I made Ax a mega single star, a
<v Speaker 3>huge single star, and and that was and it was
<v Speaker 3>just like it was crazy. And he he won royal rumbles,
<v Speaker 3>he won title, world titles. He may invented WrestleMania. That's
<v Speaker 3>because he takes on Andre and that rumble. It looks
<v Speaker 3>like such a badass. That's it exactly.
<v Speaker 6>That had you believing, well, yeah, so many what ifs
<v Speaker 6>with Tito. It wouldn't it be amazing to ask him
<v Speaker 6>all these questions one day? But you know, as it
<v Speaker 6>regards Tito and Savage. It's here on the tape and
<v Speaker 6>there's several iterations of the match, so you really get
<v Speaker 6>a feel not only of that one night in Boston
<v Speaker 6>Garden when Savage became champion that's replayed out nauseum to
<v Speaker 6>your point, but the in betweens, you know, the matches
<v Speaker 6>listen that happened around the circuit that are just sort
<v Speaker 6>of like chapters in the story, and the reaction that
<v Speaker 6>Tito would get. Come on, boss, let's not fucking around, right,
<v Speaker 6>it was off the fucking charts. I love that about
<v Speaker 6>the Colosseum collection. Yes, we get to hear those garden crowds. Man,
<v Speaker 6>it's so incredible because, like, you know, it's Tito. Like,
<v Speaker 6>you know, I think of Tito as all matat or.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think of Tito pre ninety nine, Like, even
<v Speaker 3>when I learned that he wasn't always el matador, Tito
<v Speaker 3>Santana pre ninteen ninety one was like still el matador
<v Speaker 3>to me. Yes, So he's just he's just the week.
<v Speaker 6>We grew up, the Hasburg generation grew up thinking Tito
<v Speaker 6>Santana was someone the fans liked. But it turns out
<v Speaker 6>that just a decade before he was some of the
<v Speaker 6>fans needed You're damn fucking right. They needed him to
<v Speaker 6>come up from behind, and they needed him to just
<v Speaker 6>start throwing punches. They needed him to make a Madison
<v Speaker 6>Square Garden baby face comeback.
<v Speaker 3>And he had. He had incredible chemistry with Savage, just incredible.
<v Speaker 3>I saw when I when I saw the lineup for
<v Speaker 3>the Statement, I was like, wait a minute, we got
<v Speaker 3>fucking four Tito matches with Savage, Like it seemed like
<v Speaker 3>a drag the right the Boston match, It's like, it's
<v Speaker 3>not that it's bad, it's just that we've seen it
<v Speaker 3>a million times and they don't show the whole thing,
<v Speaker 3>thank god. But still it was like, you know, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>it's like I guess, and I'm like, well, I guess
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna see some more of that. But then these
<v Speaker 3>ones him on the Revenge tour. Yeah, different Tito Santana
<v Speaker 3>is that right? Totally different Tito Santana. I mean he
<v Speaker 3>is electric and he is He's fucking fierce. It's insane, ye,
<v Speaker 3>how rabid he is. He had that New York working
<v Speaker 3>style in him. And as part of this episode, we're
<v Speaker 3>going to play a clip from a shooting interview that
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure we've played before from URF video where
<v Speaker 3>he kind of characterizes working with the Savage that was
<v Speaker 3>new to be considered the New York style, you know,
<v Speaker 3>really the built around you know, swinging fist, babyface comebacks
<v Speaker 3>and how you get to that and how you peak
<v Speaker 3>to that, and how different that was for a Savage
<v Speaker 3>who came in, you know, really more accustomed to putting
<v Speaker 3>his athleticism on display ninety percent of the match, whether
<v Speaker 3>it's selling or whether it's leaping or bumping, you know,
<v Speaker 3>very very performatively, and how you know, Tito was a
<v Speaker 3>huge part of helping Randy kind of get down to
<v Speaker 3>that level where he could do Randy Savage on that
<v Speaker 3>brutal WWF schedule, and you know, in more in comportment
<v Speaker 3>with the WWF style of certainly doing things that would
<v Speaker 3>stick out. But it's not like he's doing a completely
<v Speaker 3>different style than the rest of the roster. But yeah,
<v Speaker 3>but that necessarily to hear Tito tel, it was not
<v Speaker 3>the case when he first got his hands on him
<v Speaker 3>into WWF rings. So I think it's very fitting that
<v Speaker 3>this Colisseum video tribute to Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth
<v Speaker 3>has a lot to do and say about Tito. But
<v Speaker 3>it is the Coliseum and collection boss, and you know,
<v Speaker 3>I've been kind of slacked in on this, but go ahead.
<v Speaker 3>I just want to ask one thing quickly. I want
<v Speaker 3>to have Savage never did an interview before he died.
<v Speaker 3>Did he a shoot? Yeah? No, he did.
<v Speaker 6>He did a couple of things when his rap album
<v Speaker 6>came out that were not in character. That's the closest
<v Speaker 6>I've ever seen what I would consider.
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't count. Like he didn't have like he didn't
<v Speaker 3>have a shoot interview where he talks about his career
<v Speaker 3>and and exposes truths.
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure there's a ton of stories too, because he
<v Speaker 6>was one of those. He would have been a get
<v Speaker 6>and a half. But I don't think he never went
<v Speaker 6>for it, like Hogan has never done one either with
<v Speaker 6>with the with the shoot video companies, you know, like
<v Speaker 6>he's done for like you know, cable television like he did.
<v Speaker 6>Hogan didn't one with Access TV that was kind of.
<v Speaker 3>Like a shoot. But and he's done podcasts and stuff
<v Speaker 3>like that. That's true. Savage was just passed before the
<v Speaker 3>podcast boom. Yep.
<v Speaker 6>So no one, yeah, no one really could get him
<v Speaker 6>on one of those. That's a fascinating question. But no,
<v Speaker 6>not in the sense of we think of shoot interviews.
<v Speaker 6>I mean even like Sean Sean did one in ninety
<v Speaker 6>nine when he was on that hiatus, you know, right,
<v Speaker 6>most of these guys, Owen never really did one, although
<v Speaker 6>there was one in his and I think it was
<v Speaker 6>the Davy Boy Smith any biography, there was something where
<v Speaker 6>there was like an Owen Hart shoot interview that was
<v Speaker 6>done for Canadian television. It was kind of like, you know,
<v Speaker 6>gussied up in studio, but he was talking, yeah, and
<v Speaker 6>much more of a like an even cadence than what
<v Speaker 6>I'd ever seen him talking in. But like a pillman,
<v Speaker 6>Pillman never did because they just died before the industry,
<v Speaker 6>the shoot industry became a thing. You know, a Savage
<v Speaker 6>did you know? The shooting interview was definitely an industry.
<v Speaker 6>But Savage passed.
<v Speaker 3>But he never did it right. He just never leaned in.
<v Speaker 3>And that's that's that's a tragedy because we don't have
<v Speaker 3>res insights. Well, I'll tell you, I guess maybe his
<v Speaker 3>rap album better than we thought, because I guess so
<v Speaker 3>he didn't need the money. Well, he gave a lady.
<v Speaker 6>Pofo twenty years of podcast invites because he became basically
<v Speaker 6>the proxy. You know, he became the closest you could
<v Speaker 6>get to getting a Randy Savage shoot interview done.
<v Speaker 3>I want to tell you something right now, I'm doing
<v Speaker 3>it for Lanny, all right, that's what I'm gonna do.
<v Speaker 3>When I go, Lanny can tell all the stories. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>the way it's gonna be. I don't know who Lanny is,
<v Speaker 3>but apparently he knows a little bit about the Monk
<v Speaker 3>Joe Man. So we're gonna do that. And when the
<v Speaker 3>time comes, Randy Savage is not gonna do an interview,
<v Speaker 3>Not one time. Am I gonna talk about what went
<v Speaker 3>on behind the scenes in the professional wrestling business. A
<v Speaker 3>magician doesn't give up his tricks. Yet, the magician doesn't
<v Speaker 3>give up the tricks, but you know who does, the
<v Speaker 3>magician's assistant. Yeah, So what's what I'm gonna donna give
<v Speaker 3>this Lanny son of a bitch the opportunity of a lifetime,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna let him go all the way with
<v Speaker 3>the Muchio man.
<v Speaker 6>Like George, let him go all the way to the Matriman.
<v Speaker 6>I don't know who who Lanny is end quotes it.
<v Speaker 6>It is attributed to Macho Man Ready Savage, that's the quote.
<v Speaker 6>But I've been slacking on this on the Colisseum Collection.
<v Speaker 6>It's time. Oh I'm going to bring the level down
<v Speaker 6>just a little bit. But let's I think it's appropriate
<v Speaker 6>that that kind of be a bit of a bed
<v Speaker 6>as we look at the video jacket, as we like
<v Speaker 6>to do in the Colisseum Collection. The Official World Wrestling Federation,
<v Speaker 6>the supremely confident, fearless and unscrupulous Randy Macho Man Savage. Elizabeth.
<v Speaker 6>She's more than a manager. She's Macho Man's biggest fan.
<v Speaker 6>That's funny because she certainly doesn't act like that at all.
<v Speaker 6>Hostage but horrified right, exactly a fucking hostage. This tape
<v Speaker 6>kind of gets at gets at it too. She's just
<v Speaker 6>so remarkable at being that kind of damsel who loves
<v Speaker 6>the guy and she knows she shouldn't, but she loves him,
<v Speaker 6>and she has no idea what to do to help
<v Speaker 6>him in this incredibly violent world that she never would
<v Speaker 6>have picked to be in, but she loves the guy
<v Speaker 6>enough to get involved in wrestling. That's what she got across,
<v Speaker 6>like no one ever has in the business. To me, yep,
<v Speaker 6>that is like a unique character that they can't replicate.
<v Speaker 6>I can't even think of a close second, honestly, like
<v Speaker 6>somebody not really, no, I really can't. And this tape
<v Speaker 6>really gets at it. And to your point about you know,
<v Speaker 6>why wouldn't they have included the manager sweepstakes. I think
<v Speaker 6>in a lot of ways that kind of takes some
<v Speaker 6>of the air out of the balloon of these two
<v Speaker 6>being a dynamic duo, because it makes it seem like
<v Speaker 6>Elizabeth was like out there trying to recruit wrestling talent
<v Speaker 6>more than it was, you know, that she was just
<v Speaker 6>one of many managers looking for a horse to ride,
<v Speaker 6>as opposed to someone who is reluctantly brought into the spotlight.
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't I mean, I guess, but but it wasn't
<v Speaker 3>even like that because correctly if I'm wrong, but if
<v Speaker 3>she didn't even she wasn't even on the scene.
<v Speaker 6>It was like she came, she came out of nowhere
<v Speaker 6>else with the ring full of managers that were trying
<v Speaker 6>to get savage. She showed up and yeah, yeah, she
<v Speaker 6>wasn't presented someone who was, you know, campaigning. But it
<v Speaker 6>starts it off on a different foot than someone who
<v Speaker 6>got kind of dragged into the picture. I think it's
<v Speaker 6>kind of weird to remind people that, like in the beginning,
<v Speaker 6>the idea for Savage wasn't this Elizabeth duo, But the
<v Speaker 6>first seed they planted in her mind is he's this
<v Speaker 6>highly sought after, like free agent talent. That's almost like
<v Speaker 6>a different characterization than he's the abusive, you know, crazy
<v Speaker 6>ass boyfriend that they settled on by the time this
<v Speaker 6>tape came out. So I just feel like it would
<v Speaker 6>be kind of a departure from the characterization they'd settled on, which,
<v Speaker 6>of course was one of the most money dynamics ever
<v Speaker 6>on rest of television.
<v Speaker 3>Of course.
<v Speaker 6>So that's the front jacket, the Macho Man Randy Savage.
<v Speaker 6>At the end, Elizabeth, it says WF two six in
<v Speaker 6>the Coliseum series, and it promises on the front cover
<v Speaker 6>get an exclusive look at the out of the ring
<v Speaker 6>macho lifestyle. Can't wait to go pool side with the
<v Speaker 6>Macho Man.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's exciting stuff.
<v Speaker 6>Also promises his greatest matches back at the Savages Loose
<v Speaker 6>follow Savage's relentless pursuit of the WWF Heavyweight Championship belt,
<v Speaker 6>Randy Savage versus hul Cogan featuring a lumberjack match with
<v Speaker 6>the Intercontinental Belt, Savage versus Tito Santana, Savage and Adrian
<v Speaker 6>Adnnas versus Brunos San Martino and Tito Santana, Wrestling Strangers
<v Speaker 6>Love Triangle, George Loves Elizabeth, Elizabeth loves Randy, and Randy
<v Speaker 6>Boss loves himself. That's right, I'm renting this one in
<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty six, absolutely, and Savage versus George the Animal
<v Speaker 6>Steel being promised as well on the back jacket.
<v Speaker 3>It was interesting.
<v Speaker 6>We kind of skipped over it, but we probably made
<v Speaker 6>note of it when we got there. But they had
<v Speaker 6>already released the WrestleMania two, the second WrestleMania Colisseum home
<v Speaker 6>video release earlier, several tapes prior to this, and that's significant.
<v Speaker 6>You know, of course, on the Colosseum collection, we skip
<v Speaker 6>over the event based ones because those are you know,
<v Speaker 6>separate and distinct shows. We may do as we do
<v Speaker 6>the other pay per views at some point.
<v Speaker 3>We have done as well, it may have already been done.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, what are we gonna do WrestleMania one and two again?
<v Speaker 6>Because it's a fucking r Colisseum release.
<v Speaker 3>Now, of course through the specific Colisseum release right as
<v Speaker 3>opposed to the actual pay per view.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there would be so little that was different. They
<v Speaker 6>would basically be ninety five percent.
<v Speaker 3>Usually they were shorter. Usually they were shorter. They were shorter.
<v Speaker 6>You get less, yeah, yeah they were now and then
<v Speaker 6>get a little something exclusive. But maybe maybe one day
<v Speaker 6>before WrestleMania will do a compendium of every every exclusive
<v Speaker 6>segment on a WrestleMania Colisseum.
<v Speaker 3>Home There we Go? Was There we Go?
<v Speaker 6>That's about one show the way we do things around Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 6>but I just I noted this in looking through what
<v Speaker 6>was happening in the newspapers at the time that the
<v Speaker 6>WrestleMania two Colosseum release was being written up in our
<v Speaker 6>favorite part of any newspaper, the home video release review section,
<v Speaker 6>where writers were literally paid to review what's new.
<v Speaker 3>On home video.
<v Speaker 6>In case you needed a further reminder of how much
<v Speaker 6>better it used to be that there was an audience
<v Speaker 6>for that, and it justified a salary to get someone
<v Speaker 6>to review it like you would a movie or a
<v Speaker 6>television show, because that's how important, that's how vital of
<v Speaker 6>us of a part of people's lives. It was to
<v Speaker 6>rent a video and rent it was smart, it was
<v Speaker 6>it was important, and it allowed so many creators, producers, distributors.
<v Speaker 3>To make money. That can't do it anymore.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, with the tail life of a film that
<v Speaker 6>doesn't necessarily smash at the box office, that's okay, because
<v Speaker 6>we've got ten years of home video sales and DVD
<v Speaker 6>sales that could even eclipse what we did at the
<v Speaker 6>box office.
<v Speaker 3>That's right. And now you can't. Now you get a
<v Speaker 3>stream now you get right.
<v Speaker 6>Right Now, you have to hope that whatever huge bundle
<v Speaker 6>you're a part of gets shopped around across the different
<v Speaker 6>streaming services and through some opaque process more dollars end
<v Speaker 6>up in your pocket, but certainly not in an auditible
<v Speaker 6>weekly way where it's like, my god, look at the
<v Speaker 6>units we're moving. People can rent this shit. People are
<v Speaker 6>renting this shit, People are making this selection. They want
<v Speaker 6>to own this shit some degree. You can still own movies,
<v Speaker 6>of course, you can buy them digitally, but you know
<v Speaker 6>exactly what I mean.
<v Speaker 3>It's not oh yeah, it's it's not nearly the same
<v Speaker 3>as it was.
<v Speaker 6>It's not emboldening people to make more ambitious films, that's right,
<v Speaker 6>because yeah.
<v Speaker 3>That's there. Well, it's yeah, yeah, I mean as we've
<v Speaker 3>just as we've talked about on ciniment, like the in
<v Speaker 3>the early in the eighties especially, you know that the
<v Speaker 3>the home video market VHS specifically was was a second
<v Speaker 3>could be a second life for a film. Yeah, it
<v Speaker 3>could actually make the film a hit and be more noticeable. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>you know, like you really I even I just forget
<v Speaker 3>it back then, like I never really understood that. And
<v Speaker 3>it's it's really incredible to know that there are so
<v Speaker 3>many movies that have had really a first life in
<v Speaker 3>their second life.
<v Speaker 6>Yes, the first life in their second life is beautifully played.
<v Speaker 6>I think that's gone. I mean, you hardly hear a
<v Speaker 6>films getting a second life anymore, you know.
<v Speaker 3>No, No, it's very I think it's very rare where
<v Speaker 3>a movie all of a sudden becomes like a mega
<v Speaker 3>hit on you know, while it's been streaming, or if
<v Speaker 3>people are buying digital copies, or if people even still
<v Speaker 3>buy DVDs.
<v Speaker 6>And everything is so new and so quick quick to
<v Speaker 6>streaming now that you don't have to make that binary
<v Speaker 6>decision when used to go to a movie store, you
<v Speaker 6>went in with the knowledge we all understand and agree
<v Speaker 6>that it's perfectly acceptable that everything in this video store
<v Speaker 6>is no less than six months old. And we know this,
<v Speaker 6>and we're excited about this. We're excited that we have
<v Speaker 6>home video access to something that we would have liked
<v Speaker 6>to have seen in the theaters but didn't, or that
<v Speaker 6>you know, we heard was great in the theaters and
<v Speaker 6>never got to go, or maybe we even saw the
<v Speaker 6>theater movie and want to see it again on home
<v Speaker 6>video or even own it on home video. That was
<v Speaker 6>that was acceptable, and that was the way it was,
<v Speaker 6>and that's what allowed people to thrive and prosper. Now,
<v Speaker 6>it's kind of like, if three weeks passes after your
<v Speaker 6>cinema release, what the fuck are you doing if you're
<v Speaker 6>not on streaming? In fact, why not just put it
<v Speaker 6>on streaming the same day as it's released in theaters.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't know.
<v Speaker 6>Maybe because that's the fucking end of the world as
<v Speaker 6>we know it. Maybe that's one reason not to do it, Yes,
<v Speaker 6>But side maybe it's also because you're a coward. That's right,
<v Speaker 6>that's right, and have the balls to fucking put in theaters.
<v Speaker 6>And I'm not talking about the people who made the
<v Speaker 6>movie I'm talking about the people who are distribted in
<v Speaker 6>the movie the balls, the balls to stand on ten
<v Speaker 6>toes and say this movie is good enough to reap
<v Speaker 6>return to the box office, that justify the investment instead
<v Speaker 6>of count you know, congealing it with these streaming numbers
<v Speaker 6>to get to make it look better. Now, let that
<v Speaker 6>be the Let that be the have the balls to
<v Speaker 6>Let that the streaming number be the icing on the cake,
<v Speaker 6>not not the cake anyway. So in the review section
<v Speaker 6>they were writing up Russel meaning too and and I
<v Speaker 6>pulled this one out from the Daily News in New
<v Speaker 6>York because to me it was kind of like a
<v Speaker 6>quaint reminder of how WWF and all of their marketing
<v Speaker 6>was covered in eighty five. Oh and how their videos
<v Speaker 6>and now there's kids TV shows and there's action figures
<v Speaker 6>and there's lunch boxes. We've we've had so much fun
<v Speaker 6>going through that stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Or I love it, and it's kind of what more
<v Speaker 3>could they possibly do with his wrestling? You feel about
<v Speaker 3>leave it?
<v Speaker 6>It's ever what's next? You know, Hull Cogan at the
<v Speaker 6>at the State of the Union. You know, some some
<v Speaker 6>columnists and like ye you know in Saint Louis is
<v Speaker 6>like questioning like what it means about the state of
<v Speaker 6>like our youth and all that. But it's kind of
<v Speaker 6>petering off a little bit. But I thought this review
<v Speaker 6>of WrestleMania Too is kind of quaint because it's like,
<v Speaker 6>remember when they when WrestleMania one was such a big
<v Speaker 6>deal that like it was general interest and the fact
<v Speaker 6>that it was out on home video was a significant development.
<v Speaker 6>As we've talked about at the very beginning of the
<v Speaker 6>Colisseum collection, the WWF home video man, they were the
<v Speaker 6>talk of the industry. They were some of the first
<v Speaker 6>home videos that were moving fucking units and in a
<v Speaker 6>way that was quick turnaround. They were hitting the market consistently,
<v Speaker 6>there wasn't big delays, Boom boom three tapes at a
<v Speaker 6>time before anybody else really was doing it in sports
<v Speaker 6>at least or anything kind of outside of movies, and
<v Speaker 6>they were really, just like they did with pay per view,
<v Speaker 6>just like they did with streaming, in a lot of ways,
<v Speaker 6>their first market on new technologies because their audience will
<v Speaker 6>follow them there because they're hungry for it. They'll go
<v Speaker 6>wherever it is, they'll figure out whatever technology they have
<v Speaker 6>to figure out to access it, and that you can't
<v Speaker 6>say that about the fans of most sports. You can't
<v Speaker 6>say that about the fans of most forms of entertainment.
<v Speaker 6>They'll literally, you know, drop everything and make sure that
<v Speaker 6>they're plugged in to see the thing. They certainly aren't
<v Speaker 6>accustomed to paying forty dollars every month to watch the
<v Speaker 6>Big Show. I mean, the only wrestling and boxing fans
<v Speaker 6>are conditioned to do.
<v Speaker 3>We never I mean, is anyone watching the Big Show?
<v Speaker 7>Great point?
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, no one's paying any money to see him.
<v Speaker 6>He's paying you know, I forget it.
<v Speaker 3>He pays people to see him. Yeah, like doctors.
<v Speaker 6>So here it is wrestling, cogeticians Colisse in video fifty
<v Speaker 6>nine ninety five. This is Hank Winnicky in the pages
<v Speaker 6>of the Daily News. In case you missed WrestleMania one.
<v Speaker 6>They put together a sequel which isn't quite up to
<v Speaker 6>the high standards of the original. I love when they
<v Speaker 6>talk about wrestling as a sequel. You know, this idea
<v Speaker 6>that it's not gonna be there's not gonna be forty
<v Speaker 6>of them. They're trying it again.
<v Speaker 3>It's not going to be an annual thing. It's like
<v Speaker 3>it's just a It's just exactly it's just a sequel.
<v Speaker 3>It's not a franchise yet. Amazing.
<v Speaker 6>The extravaganza, he writes, was try broadcasted in New York, Chicago,
<v Speaker 6>and Los Angeles. Each city had individual bouts along with
<v Speaker 6>the main attraction, which came from Chicago in the form
<v Speaker 6>of a twenty men over the top rope elimination bout.
<v Speaker 6>Among the participants were William the Refrigerator, Perry of the
<v Speaker 6>Chicago Bears, Andre the Giant, and Bruno sim Martino. Make
<v Speaker 6>sure to get Bruno in there. That's how this came up,
<v Speaker 6>because I was looking for anything about Bruno when he
<v Speaker 6>came back into the picture. And other matches, you can
<v Speaker 6>see Hulk Cogan defend his title in a steel cage
<v Speaker 6>match against four hundred fifty pound King Kong Bundy, and
<v Speaker 6>a women's title match the Fabulous Mullah who was so
<v Speaker 6>old she voted for Roosevelt Teddy that is Russell's Velvet
<v Speaker 6>MacIntyre and Mister t and a ten round fight against
<v Speaker 6>He put fight in quotes, by the way against Er,
<v Speaker 6>why would you put it in quotes? I'm just wondering,
<v Speaker 6>what what do you read behind that?
<v Speaker 3>Well, from what I've gathered, most you know, authentic and
<v Speaker 3>professional and honest journalists understand that wrestling is a form
<v Speaker 3>of fiction. I see.
<v Speaker 6>So he puts it in quotes so as to not
<v Speaker 6>create the impression with the reader that he thinks it
<v Speaker 6>was a real bout.
<v Speaker 3>With Thaysam and Bell. You're gonna write this fucking VHS thing, right,
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna do that. You're gonna do You're cann write
<v Speaker 3>this VHS thing. That's that's my aim. Shut the fuck up,
<v Speaker 3>Shut the fuck up. I didn't Maunds ask you a question.
<v Speaker 3>I'm reading when I asked you a fucking question, I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna answer it for you. Yes, you're writing a VHS section.
<v Speaker 3>And what you're gonna do is you gonna mention this
<v Speaker 3>fucking wrestling ship, all right, and you can call it,
<v Speaker 3>you can call it a fight. But listen, you better
<v Speaker 3>get those quotations around that. Worsen. You put the quotes
<v Speaker 3>around fight. You don't capitalize fight, you don't draw any
<v Speaker 3>attention to it, but you put fucking quotes around that
<v Speaker 3>because you know, why, do you understand what you're doing.
<v Speaker 3>Throw something across the room. He doesn't. He's not listening.
<v Speaker 3>Heid fucking Hey, awesome, that was not what I was
<v Speaker 3>it was, but it wasn't what I was expecting. Hey, well,
<v Speaker 3>what's that like? What is he running away? That's awesome?
<v Speaker 3>What an amazing thing for him to blurt out. The
<v Speaker 3>guy starts walking away, He doesn't doesn't do anything, just
<v Speaker 3>fucking screens at him.
<v Speaker 6>He makes no promises that he's gonna put quotes on
<v Speaker 6>the word fight.
<v Speaker 3>If you don't put quotes around the word fucking fight,
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna fight you, right and I'm gonna kill you
<v Speaker 3>right here in front of every fucking reporter in this
<v Speaker 3>goddamn office. Do you understand me? I Am gonna commit
<v Speaker 3>bloody fucking murder on you in front of him. Put
<v Speaker 3>the fucking quotes around the word. Put the fucking quotes
<v Speaker 3>around the world. Don't fucking talk back. Put the fucking
<v Speaker 3>quotes around the word. If he talks back, boss, what
<v Speaker 3>can he expect? He could expect exactly what I'm gonna do.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm gonna take my fucking fists and I'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>him around his fucking head. I'm gonna squeeze. I'm gonna squeeze,
<v Speaker 3>those fucking eyeballs come out, they fucking pop my mouth,
<v Speaker 3>and I fuck him like a fucking always is that
<v Speaker 3>what happens.
<v Speaker 6>That's what happens, like an olive sliced black olives. Yeah,
<v Speaker 6>for corneas.
<v Speaker 3>Fucking fucking.
<v Speaker 6>Now, pardon me, I have to have another meal with
<v Speaker 6>cheese on it.
<v Speaker 3>Now, go get me a.
<v Speaker 6>Unfortunately, Hank Winnicky concludes, the thrills and excitement are few
<v Speaker 6>and far between, but if it's your cup of blood,
<v Speaker 6>you may like it.
<v Speaker 3>Cup of blood. This guy thinks the thrills a few
<v Speaker 3>and far between on WrestleMania to the.
<v Speaker 6>Home Video Man tremendous. One of the moments on this
<v Speaker 6>tape that really caught my attention and got me excited
<v Speaker 6>was when Vince McMahon the set of Tuesday Night Titans
<v Speaker 6>with Randy Savage Elizabeth on set, apparently reads a passage
<v Speaker 6>from an issue of a nineteen eighty six WWF magazine
<v Speaker 6>in which, according to Vince, someone makes reference to the
<v Speaker 6>fact that wrestlers just can't keep their eyes off of Elizabeth,
<v Speaker 6>and Savage, of course, flies into a tizzy rips the
<v Speaker 6>magazine into shreds, thus establishing that whole element of his character,
<v Speaker 6>which person after person who worked with him says was
<v Speaker 6>his real character, His real pleasure of this. Incredibly jealous
<v Speaker 6>to the point of psychotic, you know, boyfriend jealous boyfriend.
<v Speaker 3>Type character, And I have to tell you no normal behavior.
<v Speaker 3>I have to tell you.
<v Speaker 6>If you don't know me by now after ten years,
<v Speaker 6>I don't know to tell you. Of course, I looked
<v Speaker 6>through the issue of WWF magazine that Vince was thumbing
<v Speaker 6>through six or seven times to see what the fuck
<v Speaker 6>is referring to. I'm here to tell you that unless
<v Speaker 6>he had a different magazine in there, or if somehow
<v Speaker 6>the copy I have of that magazine is not complete,
<v Speaker 6>there is nothing in that magazine where anybody says they
<v Speaker 6>can't keep their eyes off of Elizabeth. There's nara mention. Yes,
<v Speaker 6>she's only mentioned as far as I could tell, in
<v Speaker 6>a recap of the Wrestling Classic, which of course was
<v Speaker 6>the nineteen eighty five follow on to WrestleMania one, a
<v Speaker 6>one night tournament concept in which Randy Savage participated, and
<v Speaker 6>of course, as we know and is available in the
<v Speaker 6>lapsed fan archives, the Junkyard Dog Wins That was kind
<v Speaker 6>of a pay per view experiment that came after WrestleMania
<v Speaker 6>Ie and Savage is in it, and so she's mentioned,
<v Speaker 6>but that's eighty five, and enough time had passed that
<v Speaker 6>it's just hitting the magazine by the first quarter of
<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty six. But you can see since you can
<v Speaker 6>see the issue Vintaz, you can see the Hogan picture
<v Speaker 6>on it, but there's nothing in there like that. But
<v Speaker 6>of course it did make me think, well, you know,
<v Speaker 6>was the first time the pages of the WWF magazine
<v Speaker 6>decided to devote some column inches to the lovely Elizabeth
<v Speaker 6>and sort of the character that she was settling into
<v Speaker 6>side by side with much of man Ready Savage and
<v Speaker 6>has depicted on this tape. So I've sent you a
<v Speaker 6>series of clippings, but in particular I'd like you to
<v Speaker 6>look through the ones mart Liz, where each separate page
<v Speaker 6>of the magazine it's a separate file. The headline Randy
<v Speaker 6>Savage is the meanest man I know. And I think
<v Speaker 6>whatever Vince was imagining was in the pages of the
<v Speaker 6>magazine he was holding during that episode of TNT. This
<v Speaker 6>is pretty much the article he had in mind. And
<v Speaker 6>as you know by now, Lynchpin of the Colisseum collection
<v Speaker 6>is referring to the WWF magazines that came out at
<v Speaker 6>the same time period. The coincident ones. Because no, there's
<v Speaker 6>no better distillation of what they're trying to get across
<v Speaker 6>with these characters than the.
<v Speaker 3>Sound of curiosity. What was on page thirteen, because he
<v Speaker 3>didn't send me a page thirteen.
<v Speaker 6>Bro, Just a picture of Randy Savage? Oh okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 6>just a full a full page picture of him.
<v Speaker 3>I figured it was a picture I just wanted to
<v Speaker 3>I'm just curious if it was. No, nothing's missing there
<v Speaker 3>but holler at that.
<v Speaker 6>So let's let let's settle in. It's appropriate for the
<v Speaker 6>munch Man, Ready Savage and Miss Elizabeth Coliseum home video
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<v Speaker 3>Randy Savage quote, Randy Savage is the meanest man I know,
<v Speaker 3>Miss Elizabeth quote on Friday nights during high school, Elizabeth
<v Speaker 3>and her mother used to go, why is it in quotes?
<v Speaker 3>Is it a quote from somebody? Oh? I guess, Oh
<v Speaker 3>I see, okay, yes it is. Quote on Friday nights
<v Speaker 3>during high school, Elizabeth and her mother used to go
<v Speaker 3>to the movies together, recalls a chum of the curvaceous
<v Speaker 3>manager of World Wrestling Entertainment and Intercontinental Champion Randy Machoman Savage. Quote,
<v Speaker 3>they always went for the action pictures, westerns, war movies,
<v Speaker 3>Kung Fu, filled with nasty men. But the situation she's
<v Speaker 3>in now, well that's nastier than one hundred of those
<v Speaker 3>guys on the screen. Unquote. Friends of the former homebody
<v Speaker 3>are stumped by Miss Elizabeth's association with one of professional
<v Speaker 3>wrestling's most brutal men. Quote, they're pullar opposites, said an
<v Speaker 3>ex classmate. She was always bright, sweet, and a pleasure
<v Speaker 3>to be around. Just looking at him, you can tell
<v Speaker 3>he's a beast. And the way he treats her in
<v Speaker 3>the arena, demanding that she hold the ropes open for
<v Speaker 3>him and kiss him on the cheek. She just might
<v Speaker 3>be the most victimized woman in the sport.
<v Speaker 6>Miss Elizabeth the most victimized woman in the sport? Man,
<v Speaker 6>is there a competition for that crown these days?
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'll say to the few who have had a
<v Speaker 3>chance to discuss her status with her, Miss Elizabeth has
<v Speaker 3>said quote Randy Savage Randy Savage is the meanest man
<v Speaker 3>I know. He's tough. Sometimes he seems inhuman, but he
<v Speaker 3>has but he has to be heartless. He can't show mercy.
<v Speaker 3>So many men are trying to destroy him in the ring.
<v Speaker 3>He can't afford a weak moment. You don't know him
<v Speaker 3>like I do, And that's all I can say. These days,
<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth has rarely given the chance to say much. Not
<v Speaker 3>only is she naturally shy, but whenever she begins chatting,
<v Speaker 3>her unruly charge usually materializes to stifle her. Now she's
<v Speaker 3>a cordial person, claims a friend, but Sivage is so
<v Speaker 3>possessive that he views any communication she has with anybody
<v Speaker 3>else's too forward. If associates reveal your personality, Elizabeth's former
<v Speaker 3>friends depict a serious and sensitive woman. Most of her
<v Speaker 3>high school pals are industrious professionals, some are homemakers. Industrious
<v Speaker 3>professionals a picture. Fuck it.
<v Speaker 6>Well, First of all, I mean Donna read all day,
<v Speaker 6>Miss Elizabeth's oh yes character back then, Donna read all day.
<v Speaker 3>And you know, in a lot of ways, you know, well,
<v Speaker 3>she's like she's like, she's she's Donna read. If Donald
<v Speaker 3>was an escort, an escort well, you don't mean a prostitute.
<v Speaker 6>You mean you know, I mean like wearing those kinds
<v Speaker 6>of dresses and stuff from it from a dress perspective, right, yeah,
<v Speaker 6>not like it's not from accurate, not not from like
<v Speaker 6>she's fucking for money, but in terms of like you know,
<v Speaker 6>her her dressing, like she's like your hot companion who
<v Speaker 6>you hope to get with later. These fans that will
<v Speaker 6>pardon me, these friends that this article is describing that
<v Speaker 6>you know, pursued industrious careers. That's Sam Wainwright, that's Sam Wayne, right,
<v Speaker 6>But Randy Savage is the Jimmy Stewart who she knows, yes,
<v Speaker 6>represents big risk and is is a beast she has
<v Speaker 6>to tame that is kind of pulling away from her
<v Speaker 6>in equal parts running towards her, and she she chooses
<v Speaker 6>the fraud of the two.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you know her. I am a macho man around,
<v Speaker 3>all right, and we're gonna get it done, all right,
<v Speaker 3>because that's what we do. We're gonna I gonna tell
<v Speaker 3>you something about the King of the madness.
<v Speaker 6>This is Randy's words in Jimmy Stewart's accent. You are
<v Speaker 6>not sacrificing word choice here. This is exactly the thing.
<v Speaker 6>We're gonna get it done. Jimmy Stewart's gonna say we're
<v Speaker 6>gonna get it done. No, that's Randy Savage. We're just
<v Speaker 6>changing the accent.
<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth h to tell you right now that we're gonna
<v Speaker 3>get in there and we're gonna beat him. One, two, three,
<v Speaker 3>all right, that's what we're gonna do. And you know
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna talk about the Kingdom of madness. You know,
<v Speaker 3>sometimes been cracked in half. You know, we canna understand
<v Speaker 3>exactly where I am in terms of being the macho man.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh huh.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 6>A lot of people think they can do Randy Savage,
<v Speaker 6>us included, But who does Randy Savage is Jimmy Stewart.
<v Speaker 6>Huh can you do the top of the Mountain promo?
<v Speaker 3>Jimmy, Well, you know two things I'm gonna accomplish. Number One,
<v Speaker 3>at some time, I'm gonna get my hands on the snake.
<v Speaker 3>This is him riving what he's gonna do to the
<v Speaker 3>guy he gets the luggage from. And you know the
<v Speaker 3>number two. You know, I'm gonna i wanna climb that mountain.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna do it once again. I've been there before,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna get number Uh, how does ship that apparel? Funny?
<v Speaker 4>You can do it?
<v Speaker 3>You know I've won it before. You know, I've been
<v Speaker 3>there before. I've been to the top of the mountain,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm going back. I'm going back this afternoon. All
<v Speaker 3>two things I'm going to accomplish. Number one, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>get some time. I'm gonna get my hands on the
<v Speaker 3>snake Man. And then number two, I'm gonna once again
<v Speaker 3>be in a world wrestling entertainment champion. Oh yeah, dig it,
<v Speaker 3>thank you, Jimmy. Please contigue. That's that?
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<v Speaker 3>Actually actually, oh shit, uh he goes. Uh. It might
<v Speaker 3>make me a little mad. It might make me a
<v Speaker 3>little upset, if you know what I mean. It might
<v Speaker 3>make me a little insane, if you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 3>And you know, maybe I am a little bit insane.
<v Speaker 3>Jake Roberts, That's good. I forgot about that one. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>She was always with her books, remembers one companion for
<v Speaker 3>other kids in our high school weekends were for partying.
<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth cared more about her family and studying. She wanted
<v Speaker 3>to get accepted at a top college. A lot of
<v Speaker 3>boys had crushes on her, but she never made time
<v Speaker 3>for them. In fact, I can't remember her having a day.
<v Speaker 3>No one questioned knows how Elizabeth and Savage met, but
<v Speaker 3>most recall the aftermath. After several months after the Macho
<v Speaker 3>Man chose her as his manager, the couple paid a
<v Speaker 3>visit to Elizabeth's hometown. A childhood friend who had not
<v Speaker 3>been able to contact her since Savage came on the scene,
<v Speaker 3>was waiting with Elizabeth's mother on the family porch. They
<v Speaker 3>arrived at Elizabeth's mom's house in a taxi from the airport.
<v Speaker 3>Savage exited from the right side of the Jesus Christ.
<v Speaker 3>They fucking have these very, very very particular details.
<v Speaker 6>Of bearing witness is something that never happened.
<v Speaker 3>Savage exited from the right side of the cabin. Elizabeth
<v Speaker 3>opened the left door, The driver got out to hold
<v Speaker 3>the door open for her, and Savage went crazy. He
<v Speaker 3>actually leapt over the hood, just like he leaps over
<v Speaker 3>the ropes the onto the concrete floor. During matches, the
<v Speaker 3>Macho Man stuck his finger in the cabby's face with
<v Speaker 3>with neck muscles twitching, He grunted, where are you stupid?
<v Speaker 8>Yes?
<v Speaker 3>You weakenerant? Have you no idea? Okay, because that's what
<v Speaker 3>seven would say. The driver gasp, ha, I was just
<v Speaker 3>trying to be a gentleman. Okay, very good. I think
<v Speaker 3>you can deserve a reward for being such a gentleman.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna give you my autograph because you see, I
<v Speaker 3>am the w w WII inter Continental Champion, the number
<v Speaker 3>one professional wrestler in the world. That's actually fucking great.
<v Speaker 3>It's great that he's the second best champion, He's get
<v Speaker 3>the second best championship, but he's the number one professional.
<v Speaker 6>Framing me too, me too. Every intercondinental champion called themselves
<v Speaker 6>the greatest wrestler in the world.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, absolutely, I'm no, no, no different than greatest. The
<v Speaker 3>number one, number one better, number one means like that
<v Speaker 3>you are, you know, graded on a higher tier.
<v Speaker 8>You know.
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's like when movies come out on the weekends,
<v Speaker 3>like you have the number one movie of the weekend
<v Speaker 3>is not the best movie on the weekend, it's the
<v Speaker 3>one that made the most month subjective, right, it's a right,
<v Speaker 3>it's something that's empirical.
<v Speaker 9>Mmm, I'm the.
<v Speaker 3>Man who made everyone forget whole Coogan, and I'm going
<v Speaker 3>to make sure you never forget me. Oh yeah, this
<v Speaker 3>is what he's saying to the cab driver, the cabin
<v Speaker 3>gat the cab driver who just opened the fucking door
<v Speaker 3>and you know, really had no idea what he was doing.
<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth's mother grasped the porch railing and told her daughter's
<v Speaker 3>friend the where it's failing in the world. This happened
<v Speaker 3>my Leah's hook up with him. That weekend, the couple
<v Speaker 3>attended Elizabeth's cousin's wedding. Savage showed up at the reception
<v Speaker 3>wearing his ever present headpands, sunglasses, wristbands, and a tie
<v Speaker 3>dyed muscle shirt, prompting one of his manager's aunt to
<v Speaker 3>comment Elizabeth, he couldn't your friend have dressed more appropriately?
<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth won't shoot? Yeah, God damn it, how there were
<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth clenched her teeth and glanced helplessly at her aunt
<v Speaker 3>as Savage turned on the woman's warm Don't you think mucho, man?
<v Speaker 3>Randy Savage has class. I have lots of class.
<v Speaker 6>Journalists are just sitting there writing down everything you say
<v Speaker 6>at this wedding.
<v Speaker 3>He mean he placed his palm on top of the
<v Speaker 3>wedding cake, then squashed it down six tiers. This is
<v Speaker 3>a wild fan fiction experiment, this magazine. This is one
<v Speaker 3>of the greatest. This is one of the best ones ever.
<v Speaker 3>Licking his hand, he continued, no name. This taste good,
<v Speaker 3>but not great, not as great as it should. You know,
<v Speaker 3>I'm the muchial man. I think I added class to
<v Speaker 3>the entire wedding. In fact, this wedding is a fiasco.
<v Speaker 3>It shouldn't have been. The one of the people who
<v Speaker 3>get married issued been the honor of the Montio man,
<v Speaker 3>Randy Savage, for being at the wedding, because without me,
<v Speaker 3>this wedding would have been nothing. Yeah, you realize it's
<v Speaker 3>a fiasco because of you. Right, No, No, he's making it.
<v Speaker 3>Not a fiasco, that's what That's what's happening here. On
<v Speaker 3>that note, he ripped off his shirt and fluxed for
<v Speaker 3>his guests. Have you seen so this is funny? So
<v Speaker 3>have you seen there's a what's what's uh, what's Dolph
<v Speaker 3>Ziggler's Brother's name? Nick? Nick? He he, I don't know
<v Speaker 3>what this was, but there was I'm sorry, what's what's
<v Speaker 3>his brother? Ryan? Sorry? Ryan? Okay? I think it was Ryan.
<v Speaker 3>I think it was his brother that he he. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know if he was hired to do this or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>There's a Las Vegas wedding. Have you seen this video
<v Speaker 3>at all? Okay, it's it's a Las Vegas wedding and
<v Speaker 3>people are getting mad, and I guess it's real. I
<v Speaker 3>hope to god it's real. But it's not real. I'm
<v Speaker 3>going to be disappointed. That's really fucking raising, right exactly.
<v Speaker 3>And he comes in, assuming he was paid to do this.
<v Speaker 3>He comes in, or it was a friend or something
<v Speaker 3>like that, and he objects to the wedding, but he
<v Speaker 3>starts cutting a wrestling promo as to the wedding and
<v Speaker 3>how it shouldn't happen, and and then the bride comes
<v Speaker 3>up from behind with a fucking chair and smashes him
<v Speaker 3>with it, and then they and then the bride and
<v Speaker 3>groom put him to a table. Must have been buffalo
<v Speaker 3>during their wedding ceremony. It was hilarious. It was absolutely hilarious.
<v Speaker 3>It was great. On that note, he who does he think,
<v Speaker 3>oh no, sorry, this is someboding. One male toward the
<v Speaker 3>rear of the room remarked, dude, who's to think he
<v Speaker 3>is hul Hogan. Is that what it says? Hulkogan? It says,
<v Speaker 3>who does he think he is? Hulkgan? Don't you dear something? Savage?
<v Speaker 3>His eyes bulged. I'm the man who made the world.
<v Speaker 3>Forget whole Hogan? Who said hulk Hogan? Nobody answered, and
<v Speaker 3>the due left the tense affair. A short while later.
<v Speaker 3>Next morning, Savage and his manager were in New York City,
<v Speaker 3>but elizabeth'stown was still buzzing. Her grandmother called the family home,
<v Speaker 3>telling Elizabeth's mother, now we had more faith in your
<v Speaker 3>ability to raise a child. It's happening here instead of
<v Speaker 3>Jeff town. It's Liz town. I never had that baby,
<v Speaker 3>did they? How could you let this go on? Holding
<v Speaker 3>back tears, the mother replied, My daughter's greatest wishes in
<v Speaker 3>the world is to be with this man, strange as
<v Speaker 3>it may see. Well, the girl needs be told that
<v Speaker 3>she's confused. I don't care how off that rattlesnake thinks
<v Speaker 3>he is. Hey, yeah, he's here's up, Elizabeth sit in
<v Speaker 3>a polo with gene shorts. Take that just walking up
<v Speaker 3>down you know, Washington Boulevard, downrid del Ray. Resident me uh,
<v Speaker 3>I'm all called a girl myself and let her know
<v Speaker 3>to prepare herself. The grandmother watched The Macho Man on television. Hey,
<v Speaker 3>I guess I prepared myself too, because I did the
<v Speaker 3>same thing on the day she tuned in. He wrestled
<v Speaker 3>Jerry Monty, a San Francisco based grappler trying to make
<v Speaker 3>a name for himself by scoring an upset. I've heard
<v Speaker 3>a jobber this.
<v Speaker 6>First of all, this article was supposed to be about Elizabeth,
<v Speaker 6>and they're describing Randy at a wedding. Randy on television.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly, Well, I mean they're you know, it's describing
<v Speaker 3>her love.
<v Speaker 6>Yes, I certainly threw it together, but it's just all
<v Speaker 6>of a sudden, it is all about Savage, bearing witness
<v Speaker 6>to Randy psychosis.
<v Speaker 3>Here, Yeah, Savage entry the ring, wearing the Intercontinental Belt, sunglasses,
<v Speaker 3>a shiny green, silver and blue robe and matching headband. Elizabeth,
<v Speaker 3>in a spangly green dress, held the ropes open for
<v Speaker 3>him when a fan tossed her flowers. I'm really hoping, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>I'm not right ahead. I'm really hoping to God that
<v Speaker 3>the grandma approves of Randy Savage. I'm really hoping. That's
<v Speaker 3>a big twist when a fan tossed her flowers. The
<v Speaker 3>macho man smashed them against the ring post. The match
<v Speaker 3>started out sirurprisingly, even this is him in here for
<v Speaker 3>a second from old eyes, Randy Hip tossed Monty, who
<v Speaker 3>got Now, we're gonna fucking battle the Titans, That's what
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. These diversions are hilarious. Well, you know you
<v Speaker 3>gotta fill four pages, so whatever you can do to
<v Speaker 3>fill four pages, let's just get it done. Who got
<v Speaker 3>up quickly to lock up with the incontinental champion. Savage
<v Speaker 3>placed his foe on a headlock and was bounced against
<v Speaker 3>the ropes. Manty hit the canvas and the matcho man
<v Speaker 3>jumped over his back. Then the underdog sprang to his
<v Speaker 3>feet to hip toss the title holder. Even on his knees,
<v Speaker 3>Savage managed to shout orders at Elizabeth at ringside. He
<v Speaker 3>rose to his feet, angry and vicious. Like a hurricane,
<v Speaker 3>Savage descended upon his inexperienced opponent with an elbow to
<v Speaker 3>the upper torso. Grabbing Monty by the hair, Savage leaped
<v Speaker 3>over the ropes, pulling his adversary's neck against the top strand.
<v Speaker 3>After being felled by a body slam. Monty lay across
<v Speaker 3>the canvas, an easy victim for Savage's flying elbow from
<v Speaker 3>the top rope. To humiliate his foe, the Intercontinental champion
<v Speaker 3>stood with one boot on Monty's chest as the referee
<v Speaker 3>counted to three. Infuriated by the injustices on the tube,
<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth's grandmother picked up the telephone receiver. When Savage answered,
<v Speaker 3>he was almost knocked over by the old woman's voice.
<v Speaker 3>You give me and my granddaughter right away, you hear.
<v Speaker 3>For a brief moment, the Macha man was intimidated, and
<v Speaker 3>he handed the phone over. You know, Liz, the grandmother began.
<v Speaker 3>Normally a woman will be proud of her granddaughter as
<v Speaker 3>being associated with celebrity. But I'm not. I'm ashamed. I've
<v Speaker 3>worked hard to get everything I have, no matter how
<v Speaker 3>little that may seem to some people. All of it
<v Speaker 3>came through all his means. But this man you're you're
<v Speaker 3>going around with only knows how to get ahead by
<v Speaker 3>cheatings so amazed, disgrace, This is so amazing, This is
<v Speaker 3>so crazy, this is this is great, Elizabeth thought a
<v Speaker 3>few seconds before answering, I don't know, grandma, he just
<v Speaker 3>does something to me. Maybe he won't be mean forever. No,
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that would be true. But that's the
<v Speaker 3>last sentence of the art. That's it. That's it.
<v Speaker 6>Yep, I hope he won't be mean forever. What a story,
<v Speaker 6>what an arc with these two and not oh imitating,
<v Speaker 6>I mean just when you.
<v Speaker 3>Think about it, it's kind of the way you know,
<v Speaker 3>you know, you think about the whole. You know, he
<v Speaker 3>comes in and then then he turns his baby face
<v Speaker 3>and he does the you know what I loved what
<v Speaker 3>I always loved it was it got kind of it
<v Speaker 3>was an earned cheap pop if you ask me, is
<v Speaker 3>when whenever he'd turn baby face and Elizabeth was at
<v Speaker 3>his side, and she'd go to hold the ropes open
<v Speaker 3>for him, yep, you go no no, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 3>no no, And then he would he'd like point at
<v Speaker 3>her and tell her to get off the ropes, and
<v Speaker 3>then he would put his foot down on the bottom
<v Speaker 3>rope and then lift up the middle rope, and he
<v Speaker 3>got the biggest pop. It always got the biggest pop
<v Speaker 3>when it when it fucking turned around, and he was
<v Speaker 3>the good guy, you know, like it was, it was
<v Speaker 3>it was earned, but it was always like to me,
<v Speaker 3>it was it was a good a good earned cheap.
<v Speaker 6>Pop, got earned cheap pop. Yeah, that's something that's the subtlety,
<v Speaker 6>you know. And they had the body language there that
<v Speaker 6>like totally. That's always That's good pro wrestling is when
<v Speaker 6>it can reward you paying close attention. Like if when
<v Speaker 6>you pay real close attention and you and it takes
<v Speaker 6>you out of it, then someone's.
<v Speaker 3>Not doing it well. But it's not even it's not
<v Speaker 3>even like it's close attention. And this is, to me,
<v Speaker 3>is where the great storytelling lies. It's it's not done
<v Speaker 3>with the intention of drawing attention to it, right, it's
<v Speaker 3>done with the idea that it's meant What it's meant
<v Speaker 3>to do is it is, But it's meant to it's
<v Speaker 3>meant to just penetrate your being as a viewer, like
<v Speaker 3>you're you're meant to just soak it in, as opposed
<v Speaker 3>to like, oh wait a minute, there's a hint there.
<v Speaker 3>There might be some foreshadowing. You didn't you nail that,
<v Speaker 3>you know?
<v Speaker 6>That is so it's so it's we've lost that plot
<v Speaker 6>so much where like we see a little seed being
<v Speaker 6>planted and we don't credit the talent or we don't
<v Speaker 6>assign that to the talent. We assign that to the booker.
<v Speaker 6>We think of the booker. It's one of and and
<v Speaker 6>then you know what this is, this is This is
<v Speaker 6>a great example. Roger Ebert would always says in a
<v Speaker 6>lot of his a lot of his UH reviews that.
<v Speaker 3>He always liked characters like the plot service the characters,
<v Speaker 3>as in, the characters made choices and so therefore the
<v Speaker 3>plot happened. It wasn't like the plot happened and you
<v Speaker 3>know around the characters. You know, like a lot of
<v Speaker 3>times usually a lot of that has to do with
<v Speaker 3>random things happening by chance. You know where where where
<v Speaker 3>the good guy gets lucky or something like that, you
<v Speaker 3>know where he had to be in the right place
<v Speaker 3>at the right time, in that right moment, as opposed
<v Speaker 3>to like I made a choice to do this and
<v Speaker 3>this and this and this, and therefore something happened that
<v Speaker 3>was very lucky. Yes, you know, like it's and that's
<v Speaker 3>what that is. That that is the story the storytelling
<v Speaker 3>of the of of you know, the golden age of
<v Speaker 3>w W E. And I'd say even leading up until
<v Speaker 3>the Attitude era was not about was not plot driven.
<v Speaker 3>It was about it was plot driven but it was
<v Speaker 3>the plot was at the service of the characters. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>and the characters made choices, and the characters had certain
<v Speaker 3>things that they did, and there for they those things became.
<v Speaker 3>You know, those things could be accented in the story
<v Speaker 3>whenever it was necessary, I see. Whereas as a character first,
<v Speaker 3>it wouldn't make any sense for the characters to go
<v Speaker 3>in different in a diversion. I'll put I'll put this,
<v Speaker 3>I'll put this an example. Think of how many wrestling
<v Speaker 3>storylines go on today, you know, and tell me how
<v Speaker 3>many of them really could be focused to that one person,
<v Speaker 3>as opposed to apply to anyway, as opposed to like
<v Speaker 3>put anybody in that spot. But when you did Randy
<v Speaker 3>Savage telling Elizabeth to get off the ropes so he
<v Speaker 3>could lift it for her, that was them that.
<v Speaker 6>Flowed from You wouldn't get there a characterization that didn't
<v Speaker 6>that didn't arrive, and then you looked for a candidate
<v Speaker 6>for that idea. The idea only happened because of Randy's character.
<v Speaker 3>You couldn't put Jake Roberts in that situation with Elizabeth
<v Speaker 3>and have that mean something, you know, or it wouldn't
<v Speaker 3>mean as much as it did. You couldn't put uh
<v Speaker 3>uh fucking uh cocobe ware in that situation and have
<v Speaker 3>it mean something. You couldn't have Ricky Steamboat do the
<v Speaker 3>same thing for Elizabeth and have it mean something and
<v Speaker 3>meant something because of what was established with Savage and Elizabeth.
<v Speaker 6>It's almost like and it wasn't something wouldn't even occur
<v Speaker 6>to you, right if you didn't have a d of
<v Speaker 6>the character.
<v Speaker 3>Because that's the because because here's the thing, it's not
<v Speaker 3>like you and I would imagine that they didn't necessarily
<v Speaker 3>plan it that way, you know, because think about how
<v Speaker 3>many storylines paid off years later, years later, Virgil for example,
<v Speaker 3>you know, even even the reunion of of of Savage
<v Speaker 3>and Elizabeth at Wrestling you seven two years after you know,
<v Speaker 3>all the ship went down a wrestling of five, Like
<v Speaker 3>that's what. So you know, you're not you're not looking
<v Speaker 3>for an ending. The ending is or or when it
<v Speaker 3>comes to that point, it's a surprise like nowadays you're
<v Speaker 3>looking for like they set up the climb, whereas the
<v Speaker 3>climax naturally evolved because of the way that the story
<v Speaker 3>was told. And it's like, if you you know, you
<v Speaker 3>trust your characters, you trust what they're doing, and you
<v Speaker 3>trust the story, it naturally gets there.
<v Speaker 6>And it's just so less detectable when you have four
<v Speaker 6>shows a year that have supercards instead of monthly because
<v Speaker 6>or even you know, you put Saturday Night's Man Event
<v Speaker 6>in there, or some of the other supercards they do
<v Speaker 6>try weekly. It's like they just the only way they
<v Speaker 6>can book now is all right, what are the matches
<v Speaker 6>in the pay per view, and we need to start
<v Speaker 6>working backwards. So it feels like it peaks in that
<v Speaker 6>three week period, But if you have the show spread
<v Speaker 6>out so much more, you can just feel like, yeah,
<v Speaker 6>it came to a head conveniently around this time, but
<v Speaker 6>enough happened that wasn't dictated by needing to peak before
<v Speaker 6>that that it actually felt like honestly, it just it
<v Speaker 6>got to the point where WWF matchmakers had no choice
<v Speaker 6>but to make this match because so much had happened,
<v Speaker 6>as opposed to the match has already kind of been made.
<v Speaker 6>We're just kind of doing things to justify why.
<v Speaker 3>And I don't put it past them that that's how
<v Speaker 3>they that they actually did know where they wanted to
<v Speaker 3>go and therefore that's how they got there. But it
<v Speaker 3>was done. But but the characters were done were so
<v Speaker 3>much more. They had much more depth to them. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>they had much more, many more dimensions that the things
<v Speaker 3>came about more naturally like you could, you could in
<v Speaker 3>a weird way. It's it's allowing the wrestlers to do
<v Speaker 3>most of their own booking in a way which is,
<v Speaker 3>you know, the way it was done. You know, you'd
<v Speaker 3>have a direction where you need to go. But in
<v Speaker 3>terms of like promos, you know what we talked about.
<v Speaker 3>You get the bullet points and then you do your thing.
<v Speaker 3>So you're kind of booking your own promo. You just
<v Speaker 3>have to make sure you hit these points.
<v Speaker 6>Well, talk about this era. We cannot overemphasize that while
<v Speaker 6>Vince is hitting his stride and coming up with ways
<v Speaker 6>to kind of, you know, engineer characteristics of these people,
<v Speaker 6>he's hiring talent that has figured out how to get
<v Speaker 6>over elsewhere before he came.
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. That's the key.
<v Speaker 6>Exactly, that's the key, keep key key thing. So those
<v Speaker 6>instincts are all there in these in these wrestlers. When
<v Speaker 6>you put a microphone in no fucking, no fucking NXT
<v Speaker 6>for these guys, right, they're not coming up in a
<v Speaker 6>system where there it be told what's most interesting about them.
<v Speaker 6>They've already proven it to themselves without Vince McMahon having
<v Speaker 6>anything to do with it, right, So now you can
<v Speaker 6>hand them something and they can find it in themselves
<v Speaker 6>because the character predated the WW exactly, and.
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of a thing like you know, that's that's
<v Speaker 3>where it's like you you don't want that, man, That's
<v Speaker 3>where it's That's part of where it's asked backwards to,
<v Speaker 3>because the most the real successes come from characters that
<v Speaker 3>were created and got over by the talent themselves, as
<v Speaker 3>opposed to being told, this is what you do, this
<v Speaker 3>is where I see you, this is what I think
<v Speaker 3>you're good at. It's like, no, I figured out what
<v Speaker 3>I'm good at. I figured out what made me make
<v Speaker 3>money over here, this is what I want to do,
<v Speaker 3>and this is what I need to do. Roman did it.
<v Speaker 3>Cody did it. Like God.
<v Speaker 6>Roman didn't leave WW to do it, but it's very
<v Speaker 6>clear that he exercised some degree of influence to do
<v Speaker 6>it the way he wanted to do it, with Paul
<v Speaker 6>Hayman kind of you know, pulling springs backstage on the
<v Speaker 6>characterizations and stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Brock did it. He left he came back.
<v Speaker 6>It's like, now he's money because he found himself without
<v Speaker 6>wwe needing to you know, paint by the numbers for
<v Speaker 6>you and needing to color in what he was. And
<v Speaker 6>that's that's that's one of the big that's one of
<v Speaker 6>the big mistakes I think they've made compared to when
<v Speaker 6>it used to be better, is is deciding that part
<v Speaker 6>of the business we're in is finding a star in somebody.
<v Speaker 6>You know, is looking at somebody and finding a star
<v Speaker 6>and being able to create. It's like your hit rate
<v Speaker 6>is so low on that and you always end up
<v Speaker 6>you almost always, like eighty percent of the time, end
<v Speaker 6>up falling back on the people who got over elsewhere
<v Speaker 6>before they came to you, even if they started with you,
<v Speaker 6>left and came back, it's all the same because that's
<v Speaker 6>that now you're dealing with someone that actually can take
<v Speaker 6>your ideas across the finish line. It makes them feel
<v Speaker 6>real enough that it's a rewarding experience for the viewer
<v Speaker 6>to follow the television and follow the matches.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, but you know what I mean, that's that's part
<v Speaker 3>part of the fun of it too, is like you
<v Speaker 3>want you want to as a fan, you know, you
<v Speaker 3>kind of want to notice things that you think you
<v Speaker 3>only noticed, yes, and.
<v Speaker 6>Then twenty years later, ten years later, you hear an
<v Speaker 6>interview and like, oh my god, that he actually did
<v Speaker 6>that on purpose yep, or he totally doesn't remember doing
<v Speaker 6>that and that only meant something to me, and that's
<v Speaker 6>fine too, But now it's like it's so gratuitous that,
<v Speaker 6>like everybody knows, so that was a big tap, right,
<v Speaker 6>And the only the only time you earn doubt is
<v Speaker 6>because they try to create doubt, you know, because that
<v Speaker 6>that's their avowed mission. But it's just it's a different
<v Speaker 6>way of watching wrestling. It's an inferior way of watching wrestling.
<v Speaker 6>I'm not saying agreed that there's a way to get
<v Speaker 6>it back, where I'm decrying the loss of it. That's
<v Speaker 6>what I'm doing and all the culturals and technological changes
<v Speaker 6>that force it.
<v Speaker 3>I also don't think that there are people who have
<v Speaker 3>the right brain to do it. Yeah, you know, I
<v Speaker 3>think that it is. I think you're very much fans
<v Speaker 3>don't come to the product with the same well, I
<v Speaker 3>I think I think that that is that is always
<v Speaker 3>you have the ability to do. To listen wrestling dictates
<v Speaker 3>wrestling yeah, all right, you decide.
<v Speaker 6>We talk about fan mentality like it's inevitable, like it's
<v Speaker 6>not created.
<v Speaker 3>Again, I'll go back to the MJF thing that we
<v Speaker 3>saw where it's like they made it a big deal,
<v Speaker 3>Like MJF made it a big deal to do that
<v Speaker 3>that that that suicide dive by not doing it for
<v Speaker 3>so many weeks in advance or whatever that was. But
<v Speaker 3>then when he did it in Boston that time, the
<v Speaker 3>crowd wouldn't fucking ballistic. Yet again, we see seth Rawlins
<v Speaker 3>doing crazy as shit all the time and nobody and
<v Speaker 3>and half the time people don't cheer until.
<v Speaker 6>Like the third by kind of right, thank god he's
<v Speaker 6>a heel now because he doesn't do that anymore. But
<v Speaker 6>that was getting really really bad watching him do the
<v Speaker 6>suicide dives.
<v Speaker 3>Right, and and so that's that's that's the that's the
<v Speaker 3>uh you know, like, so you have the ability. Wrestling
<v Speaker 3>has the ability. It just takes time. But wrestling has
<v Speaker 3>the ability to mold the expectations of the fan.
<v Speaker 1>Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys
<v Speaker 1>need their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's an lapsed
<v Speaker 1>fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno and JP Soro to.
<v Speaker 3>Mold the expectations of the fan. But I don't think
<v Speaker 3>there are people. I don't think the people who are
<v Speaker 3>behind the scenes have the right brain. No, they don't
<v Speaker 3>to book wrestling the way that it used to be done.
<v Speaker 6>They don't have the brain to They don't have the
<v Speaker 6>brain to rewire the fans. They don't know how to
<v Speaker 6>do that. They just know how to give them what
<v Speaker 6>they perceive they want, which, of course the fans know
<v Speaker 6>what they want in in a given moment, but what
<v Speaker 6>they really want is something that they don't know they
<v Speaker 6>want yet. That's what they want. That's what they want,
<v Speaker 6>and that's not forty minute main events. That era is over.
<v Speaker 6>You know what this is going to take. Honestly, Boss,
<v Speaker 6>is like a pay per view where all the matches
<v Speaker 6>are like eight, ten, twelve minutes, maybe three minutes. You
<v Speaker 6>have to give people this idea that you can't predict
<v Speaker 6>coming into a wrestling show almost to the minute, every
<v Speaker 6>beat that's going to happen. And it doesn't take money.
<v Speaker 6>It doesn't take many years watching that to get to
<v Speaker 6>that pattern. Whenever you see a crowd stand up and
<v Speaker 6>look to the aisleway before anyone runs out because they
<v Speaker 6>know that this is the spot in the match with
<v Speaker 6>a run in start to happen. That's the kind of
<v Speaker 6>thing I mean, you have to short circuit that, you
<v Speaker 6>have to not do that run in for six months
<v Speaker 6>at the moment everybody expects, so that people think, wait
<v Speaker 6>a minute, they know what I'm expecting, and they're purposely
<v Speaker 6>subverting it in a way that is not counterproductive. I'm
<v Speaker 6>certainly not suggesting a Vince Russo thing where the only
<v Speaker 6>reason you do something is because it's the opposite of
<v Speaker 6>what people are trained to expect. You do it with
<v Speaker 6>the express goal of rewarding people for paying close attention,
<v Speaker 6>rewarding people for being like, I don't know what's going
<v Speaker 6>to happen, And this is the frame of mind I
<v Speaker 6>should be in when I'm watching wrestling. Not I called that,
<v Speaker 6>Not I knew that. Not of course, not. Wait a minute,
<v Speaker 6>here comes the moment that we're all waiting for where
<v Speaker 6>someone does something incredibly risky. You know, but that's that's
<v Speaker 6>just old men talking, right, we have.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, you know, listen, we're what if somebody call
<v Speaker 3>me a crabby old something like that, geezer or.
<v Speaker 4>Something like that.
<v Speaker 3>Someone common on me me being like that, funny, that's
<v Speaker 3>what I am. Funny How you become a geezer in
<v Speaker 3>one year, all of a sudden, you're a geezer. Yep,
<v Speaker 3>that's right. Listen, Hey, I get it. I get I'm
<v Speaker 3>I'm out in touch with the times, right, I'm I
<v Speaker 3>mean next, what I'm gonna be called a boomer? I
<v Speaker 3>guess even though I'm money. Yeah, that's.
<v Speaker 6>When they when they call people who are actually in
<v Speaker 6>their generation boomers.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Right.
<v Speaker 6>So, uh, let's let's get a pointed. Now that we've
<v Speaker 6>got an idea of the cake fully baked as it
<v Speaker 6>regards the Randy Savage Elizabeth dynamic in the pages of
<v Speaker 6>w DAS magazine, let's rewind a bit. Let's look at
<v Speaker 6>the first real feature ww F magazine ran ran on
<v Speaker 6>Ready Savage who came in to the company at what
<v Speaker 6>were the characteristics about that guy that led to, you know,
<v Speaker 6>his own dedicated Colisseum home video release, really less than
<v Speaker 6>a year since into the company. I asked you to
<v Speaker 6>open the October the October November nineteen eighty five issue
<v Speaker 6>of WWF magazine there as provided to you and toggle
<v Speaker 6>on down. We're looking at page Let's see what page
<v Speaker 6>we're looking at here. Of course, they make it hyper
<v Speaker 6>easy in this format to detect what page I'm looking at.
<v Speaker 3>Let me see, though, it's going to be is there
<v Speaker 3>missing that? Somehow they manage now him with his cape,
<v Speaker 3>savaging the ring, savaging the ring, ye forty eight, page forty.
<v Speaker 6>Watch a man to reach enough to reach the top,
<v Speaker 6>he says, he is. It's got him with his yellow cape.
<v Speaker 6>That's sort of like the peacock feathers spread wide.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm flipping. I'm going through the pages, though,
<v Speaker 3>I certainly stumble on the the the merchandise catalog, and
<v Speaker 3>you've got, of course the old w hat and then
<v Speaker 3>you've got the windbreaker, the athletic shorts, the gym bag,
<v Speaker 3>and the polo shirt. Fuck the polo shirt. That's fucking money.
<v Speaker 3>Give me the polo shirt. Any of the weekend twice
<v Speaker 3>on Sunday, Killer Bees, cal Rudman here or getting there,
<v Speaker 3>Hogan Hogan in Japan match, Oh my god, that fucking
<v Speaker 3>that weird ass fucking outfit where he's got the the
<v Speaker 3>the like the sticks.
<v Speaker 6>That open up that yeah, like the Charlotte Flair peacock
<v Speaker 6>feather kind of right, he's got like wingspan, it's like
<v Speaker 6>a it's like a rain pawn show. Yeah, that's something
<v Speaker 6>he dropped pretty quickly.
<v Speaker 3>He didn't, thank god.
<v Speaker 6>But here you see one of the pages you got
<v Speaker 6>the manager segment you talked about where you have Fuji
<v Speaker 6>and and Blassy and Valiant, Jimmy Hart and Bobby Heenan
<v Speaker 6>all in the ring kind of trying to court Randy Savage.
<v Speaker 6>So this is the original idea, even pre Elizabeth in
<v Speaker 6>some ways, for Randy Savage in the day.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, here we go. Wait, you're gonna read
<v Speaker 3>what's the uh it's called what's the name? Oh?
<v Speaker 8>Uh?
<v Speaker 3>Macho enough to reach the top, Randy Savage says, he is.
<v Speaker 3>He comes out of his corner with blue eyes, coldly blazing.
<v Speaker 3>He had blue eyes. I didn't realize that. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>guess he did. I don't really realize that at all.
<v Speaker 3>Riveted on his opponent and frighteningly intense intensity is what
<v Speaker 3>he lives by. He is one of those men whose
<v Speaker 3>every move is violently dynamic. Like his eruptive personality, he
<v Speaker 3>is almost impossible to keep down or on the defensive, Battered,
<v Speaker 3>slammed and pounded. Brother, when you when you coat him
<v Speaker 3>with some breadcrumbs. He is great at a deep fry, tenderized, tenderized, battered. See,
<v Speaker 3>he's battered, slammed, and pounded. That's what I do with
<v Speaker 3>fucking chicken. You slam it on the fucking thing, you
<v Speaker 3>pound it down, and then you batter it, and then
<v Speaker 3>you fry it. That's what you tell. He keeps coming
<v Speaker 3>at his opponent with a single minded fury, intent only
<v Speaker 3>on emerging from the match a winner. Ordrostling Entertainment newcomer
<v Speaker 3>Randy Savage is all of these, and he prides himself
<v Speaker 3>in it. I'm one hundred percent macho, he says, all man,
<v Speaker 3>no doubt he is. But Savage has some very high ambitions.
<v Speaker 3>He wants it all in the WWE. I've gone through Thunagia.
<v Speaker 3>It's ste Jones, Rick McGraw and everybody else. A championship
<v Speaker 3>built around my waist looks good. I was meant to
<v Speaker 3>be a champion. Belts are not easy to come by
<v Speaker 3>in the WWE, however, and go only to the very
<v Speaker 3>best of the best in professional wrestling. Savage thinks he
<v Speaker 3>is machismo and intensity, coupled with his not inconsiderable wrestlings
<v Speaker 3>fells and willingness to break rules to win have made
<v Speaker 3>him built material. No doubt about it that Savage is
<v Speaker 3>a rugged competitor and already has done great things in
<v Speaker 3>the WWE. But the WWE is full of matt men
<v Speaker 3>who have enough skill and strength to topple him from
<v Speaker 3>the top. How does Savage stack up against other high
<v Speaker 3>ranked men in the WWE. Noting that Savage has made
<v Speaker 3>a sensational entry into the federations, so bad these unnecessary
<v Speaker 3>introductory clauses like these fucking like these crazy run on
<v Speaker 3>sentences with all these.
<v Speaker 10>You know.
<v Speaker 3>Adjectives and show.
<v Speaker 6>You know preambles. Everything's like couched in like four hundred
<v Speaker 6>extra words and the needs.
<v Speaker 3>Exactly ring observers are pondering that question. A likely opponent
<v Speaker 3>for Savage, who was who was a professional baseball player
<v Speaker 3>before entering wrestling and is a top all around athlete,
<v Speaker 3>is the Junkyard Dog. The dog outweighs the two hundred
<v Speaker 3>and thirty five pounds Savage by forty five pounds and
<v Speaker 3>is immensely powerful. Savage, however, is much stronger than his
<v Speaker 3>weight might indicate. He is a top body builder and
<v Speaker 3>has muscles on his muscles even so the dog could
<v Speaker 3>probably out muscle Savage. If he has muscles on muscles,
<v Speaker 3>how can he be out How could he be out muscled?
<v Speaker 3>He's got two layers of muscle.
<v Speaker 6>Apparely j Idea has muscles on top of muscles on
<v Speaker 6>top of muscles. Yeah, and he's got like yeah, among
<v Speaker 6>among other shellfish for other cross.
<v Speaker 3>Fish as man. Even so, the dog could probably out
<v Speaker 3>muscle Savage, who must rely on superior quickness to stay
<v Speaker 3>out of Jyd's grip. Savage and the dog are alike
<v Speaker 3>in their ability to take punishment. Okay, okay. The way
<v Speaker 3>they handle it, though, is different. Savage keeps on coming,
<v Speaker 3>driven by his talked about intensity. The dog can stand there,
<v Speaker 3>take a mammoth lick and shake it off like a
<v Speaker 3>mosquito bite. Then he hits back with impact that would
<v Speaker 3>break an ordinary man. And thus Savage may not be
<v Speaker 3>able to wear out the dog in a slug film.
<v Speaker 6>They just decide to devote the last third of the
<v Speaker 6>article to ready Savage versus junk yard dogs.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, did they ever fucking no? They did that.
<v Speaker 9>Right?
<v Speaker 3>Wrestling classes meet that some boys. Yeah, Randy might score
<v Speaker 3>with his patented elbowed off the top ropes, but it
<v Speaker 3>might not have such a damaging effect on the dog
<v Speaker 3>as upon other wrestlers a Savage has met. Savage's most
<v Speaker 3>dramatic and punishing move involves tossing his opponent out of
<v Speaker 3>the ring and then coming down on him from the
<v Speaker 3>top rope. The effect is is that with just like
<v Speaker 3>negative insults, you're coming down on down on him. There
<v Speaker 3>you go. The effect is similar to that of being
<v Speaker 3>hit with a piano dropped from the tenth floor. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>that's good. Next time he does that move, off have
<v Speaker 3>to remember that. Yeah, I'll get a uh, I'll get
<v Speaker 3>a piano sound effect. That's I get hit with a piano.
<v Speaker 7>Jess.
<v Speaker 3>But getting the dog out of the ring in the
<v Speaker 3>first place is one very difficult, especially if he's had
<v Speaker 3>a party night exactly. Tony Atlas, like the Junkyard Dog,
<v Speaker 3>has some pounds over Savage, and Atlas is known for
<v Speaker 3>his incredible strength. If Atlas could get Savage up in
<v Speaker 3>the air, press him overhead, and then slam him, Randy
<v Speaker 3>might not be able.
<v Speaker 7>To recover sufficiently to avoid a pin, specially to avoid
<v Speaker 7>what would happen if you know, we're studying the articles
<v Speaker 7>about how Randy fairs and the WWF What happened if
<v Speaker 7>Tony Atliss Gurula Press slammed him?
<v Speaker 3>Right, that's good for about three paragraphs. Like these are
<v Speaker 3>people I never like even considered to face Randy Savage right,
<v Speaker 3>you know, or at least I'll tell you what to
<v Speaker 3>talk about him facing right to try to get excited
<v Speaker 3>about him. Right. Savage, however, is so quick an adept
<v Speaker 3>at reversing holds that Atlas would have to perform flawlessly
<v Speaker 3>to hold Randy and hoist him in the air. Ricky
<v Speaker 3>Steamboat and Savage are about equal weight wise, Savage has
<v Speaker 3>a more powerful body, but so to Steamboat. Okay, wait
<v Speaker 3>a minute, So Savage has a more powerful body than Steamboat,
<v Speaker 3>of what they're saying. But Steamboat also has a more
<v Speaker 3>powerful body than himself. Okay, whatever you say. Yeah, his
<v Speaker 3>past contests against towers of power, such as the Magnificent
<v Speaker 3>Morocco and the Iron Chic show he can cope with
<v Speaker 3>muscular adversaries, although not as explosive as Savage. Steamboat is quicker.
<v Speaker 3>Savage approaches a match much more violently than him, but
<v Speaker 3>he can brawl with the best. With this sort of
<v Speaker 3>competition around, Savage will have to dig deep down inside
<v Speaker 3>the reserves of perseverance and determination to stay high. I
<v Speaker 3>think you can do just Finally, you could take some
<v Speaker 3>tips from Jidea on that one right exactly to stay
<v Speaker 3>high on the WWE ladder. And that is what he
<v Speaker 3>has in spades. Often bombastic, cocky as they come, and
<v Speaker 3>a born showboater, Savage is firm belief in himself and
<v Speaker 3>then and the effort he displays indicate he will be
<v Speaker 3>tops for a long time. Ops. That's got to be
<v Speaker 3>a Vince word. Yeah, I love this man. I think
<v Speaker 3>I'm just tops. You know, I'm just you know. Listen, Brandon,
<v Speaker 3>You're coming here. You know, Randon's you come in here.
<v Speaker 3>You know you're you're you're you know, you're the mancho man.
<v Speaker 3>You know him digging that.
<v Speaker 4>I like that.
<v Speaker 3>Montio man, you are you already were before you came here.
<v Speaker 3>You did that. That's what just what I'm saying. You'll
<v Speaker 3>be brought you in because you are the macho man,
<v Speaker 3>m digging that digging man's digging that. He was already
<v Speaker 3>the macho man. You say, I've done it before, all right,
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I was a mutual man before. Maybe there before,
<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe you know what's something vincement? Man?
<v Speaker 8>Maybe you've always been here, Maybe I've always been in
<v Speaker 8>the world whistle unentertainment since day one?
<v Speaker 3>What about that? How does that you feel? The world
<v Speaker 3>wrestling entertainment? How does that make you feel?
<v Speaker 7>Man?
<v Speaker 6>He was He turned the tides before anybody else ever
<v Speaker 6>did on Vince. Let me tell you, very few people
<v Speaker 6>in their first sit down with Vince at the office said,
<v Speaker 6>how does that make you feel? Pointing at Vince, we
<v Speaker 6>say it, how.
<v Speaker 3>Does it make you feel?
<v Speaker 8>Well?
<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, I feel a very you know, well, I
<v Speaker 3>have a multitude of feelings. Something you want us there? Well,
<v Speaker 3>not good enough for Randy Savid. You know what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 3>I don't actually know what you're saying. I understand that
<v Speaker 3>you are listening. As I said before you, we brought
<v Speaker 3>you in because of your macho man aesthetic m you
<v Speaker 3>damn I hear aestheticism number one of them. That's why
<v Speaker 3>I need special contact lenses. Yeah, Nick my blue, Vince McMahon,
<v Speaker 3>and you've got me sight in the contracts. A stigmatism,
<v Speaker 3>I believe that. Yeah, you have a stigmatism in regards
<v Speaker 3>to the lenses that you that provide contact and content,
<v Speaker 3>you know, content content providing contact lenses.
<v Speaker 11>And.
<v Speaker 3>It is that Roman Reigns used to wear in the
<v Speaker 3>early and just to want to say, we're we're excited
<v Speaker 3>to have you here. I'm in the w W. We're
<v Speaker 3>gonna do what we can with you to hope that
<v Speaker 3>you can provide premiere content for our the w W universe.
<v Speaker 3>You know, we you know, I don't know if you're
<v Speaker 3>aware of this, but the the w W is a
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna rude the day you got enough flight from
<v Speaker 3>Sarasota for this ship. The multimedia can go with the
<v Speaker 3>We have offices in Stanford, kind of get in New
<v Speaker 3>York City and Hong Kong and I ran.
<v Speaker 7>And he's saying, Vince McMahon, he's saying as many countries
<v Speaker 7>as he can until he thinks of Randy's impressed.
<v Speaker 3>You know, Bangladesh and uh, you know Morocco a lot
<v Speaker 3>of office. Well he is a big guy. Hey, we
<v Speaker 3>get it. You know he's a big guy. Big men
<v Speaker 3>on Morocco. Yes him too, exactly, and uh, you know
<v Speaker 3>we we will provide with them. Yes, yes, him to exactly.
<v Speaker 3>He's a big office as well. Uh and and hold on.
<v Speaker 6>And we will provide. Ben's trying to say what he
<v Speaker 6>thinks he should say, is the money, you know?
<v Speaker 2>Yes it is?
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, So when the.
<v Speaker 6>Article says that, you know, we talked about how Savage
<v Speaker 6>will have to dig down deep to stay high on
<v Speaker 6>the WWF ladder and how he could turn to Jyd
<v Speaker 6>for advice in that regard. He can also turn to
<v Speaker 6>Jyd for advice on how to stay high on the
<v Speaker 6>WWF payroll.
<v Speaker 3>For a little while. Now, is that is that high
<v Speaker 3>on the payroll or high while remaining on the payer.
<v Speaker 3>That's what I mean, while remaining on okayroll. See, so
<v Speaker 3>there you have it.
<v Speaker 6>Randy Savage fresh as a daisy in the WWF ecosystem,
<v Speaker 6>oh Man, and talked about a belt right, and of course,
<v Speaker 6>as mentioned, he targets Hult's WWF title first, but eventually
<v Speaker 6>his first championship would of course be the Intercontinental Championship.
<v Speaker 6>And if you can open up the June July nineteen
<v Speaker 6>eighty six edition of WWF Magazine, we're going to fast
<v Speaker 6>forward to a Randy Savage that is very much front
<v Speaker 6>and center on this coliseum home video release, the Intercontinental Champion.
<v Speaker 6>Macho man, Randy Savage. It's page twenty four, and it's
<v Speaker 6>it's an article really looking at what what it means
<v Speaker 6>now for the WWF and the ranks of people competing
<v Speaker 6>for the IC strap that Randy has said belt.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, although I want a second There are two
<v Speaker 3>issues that I didn't download, downloading as we speak.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we're looking at June and July of nineteen and
<v Speaker 6>eighty six. Gotcha, this is with a sort of like
<v Speaker 6>a painted hulk Cogan on the cover. I'd really don't
<v Speaker 6>know how to put it. Yeah, that's about That's about right,
<v Speaker 6>Brian Penry, A drawn Yeah, probably right. It is certainly
<v Speaker 6>a drawn hulk cogin Dron Butter. He is that season pal.
<v Speaker 6>That's a great point.
<v Speaker 3>That's a great point. You want a hot with butter?
<v Speaker 2>You want?
<v Speaker 3>Do you want?
<v Speaker 6>Do you want a little you know, ketchup thing full
<v Speaker 6>of melted butters with your bare hand, dump seafood in
<v Speaker 6>it and stuff it all on butter? Oh it's run
<v Speaker 6>all right?
<v Speaker 3>Butter? Uh ran Wait, wait, which one is this? Randy
<v Speaker 3>and Tito? Is that what I'm doing?
<v Speaker 6>That's page twenty four. Savage holds the Intercontinental Belt. Okay,
<v Speaker 6>he snagged it? Can he keep it?
<v Speaker 3>That is the question. After all, what is it grappling glitter?
<v Speaker 3>The oh Luther Vandross? What the fuck they probably got
<v Speaker 3>to doing in review because he's he's a huge wrestling fan.
<v Speaker 3>Oh no kidding, I didn't know. That's wild. Okay, here
<v Speaker 3>we go. Savage holds in a conondal belt. He snagged it?
<v Speaker 3>Can he keep it? Photos by Steve Taylor is who
<v Speaker 3>wrote the article? It doesn't say who wrote the article,
<v Speaker 3>just as who took the picture. Yeah. Yeah, if only
<v Speaker 3>Tito Santana had known beforehand that that Randy mot racho brother,
<v Speaker 3>that's what I forget said. Well, brother, we're talking about
<v Speaker 3>racho dude, whatcho's modern life? That Randy macho man Savage
<v Speaker 3>had something up his sleeve, or more precisely, in his trunks.
<v Speaker 3>The Mexican buzz saw, excuse me what? The Mexican buzz
<v Speaker 3>Saw might still have his Worldlessing Entertainment Intercontinental belt, but
<v Speaker 3>during a vicious bout it at Boston Garden, not the
<v Speaker 3>Boston Garden, but Boston Garden, Santana left him surprisingly opened
<v Speaker 3>to a patently a patently obvious cheap shot by the
<v Speaker 3>crafty Challenger and ended up on the matt stripped of
<v Speaker 3>both pride and the title. Ringside pundits are still wondering
<v Speaker 3>why the referee of the February of the February February
<v Speaker 3>title contest missed what many other close obser vers plainly
<v Speaker 3>saw him. Savage reaping, weaking, you know, reaching into his
<v Speaker 3>yellow drunks, withdrawing some sort of instrument and hammering it
<v Speaker 3>into Santana's head.
<v Speaker 6>He withdraw like twenty bucks from the atmly.
<v Speaker 3>Withdraw Y's right, withdrew it it type in his his pin,
<v Speaker 3>first on his type, and then he could withdraw said instrument.
<v Speaker 3>The referee later said he was concentrating on the furious
<v Speaker 3>action Santana that that requires a firing right there, mister ref.
<v Speaker 6>Why did you miss the illegal object usage by Renny Savage?
<v Speaker 3>Well, I was. I was focused on the furious action.
<v Speaker 3>I was watching the furious action. What else? What are
<v Speaker 3>we doing?
<v Speaker 6>What this guy isn't selling someone who could be bought off? Listen,
<v Speaker 6>nobody paid me nothing, and I can't even said anything
<v Speaker 6>about that. I just want to let you know, no
<v Speaker 6>one paid me nothing. I went out there, I did
<v Speaker 6>a job, that said I said, I went out there,
<v Speaker 6>I did a job and Uh, you know, these things happen.
<v Speaker 6>Sometimes things happen that we have no control, and it's
<v Speaker 6>very very important that we that we exercise that right.
<v Speaker 6>How do we know somebody's saying too much when he goes,
<v Speaker 6>I just want you to know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's yes. Whenever someone says I want you to know,
<v Speaker 3>an it's an addition to what he was saying, yes,
<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't relate at all. There's a problem something.
<v Speaker 6>It's something that has to be said because he's trying
<v Speaker 6>to guard against the possibility that eventually you'll end up
<v Speaker 6>assuming this about me. So let me just say it now,
<v Speaker 6>even though there's a pretty good chance you would never
<v Speaker 6>think of it yourself.
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. Guilty conscience, folks. That's right. Santana was supplexing Savage
<v Speaker 3>when it happened, so the new champion might well have
<v Speaker 3>escaped with a shocking violation of the rules whatever transpired
<v Speaker 3>during that suplex. The results of the bout were final, final,
<v Speaker 3>and Savage now commands the WWE's Intercontinental class class in
<v Speaker 3>interesting Yeah, yes, the class, and in typical macho man fashion,
<v Speaker 3>he's letting the world know about it. I'm kill of
<v Speaker 3>the heap over everybody and it's my ball game now,
<v Speaker 3>bellows the macho man. I'll decide who gets a turtle
<v Speaker 3>shot and win. I'll dictate the terms. Anybody who doesn't
<v Speaker 3>like him can wait for a match until Hill freezes over.
<v Speaker 3>Savage acts are supremely confident. Act supremely confident that he
<v Speaker 3>will keep his belt as long as he wants. More
<v Speaker 3>than that, he sees himself as eventually owning two belts,
<v Speaker 3>the one now around his waist and that of ww
<v Speaker 3>World champion Hulk Hogan. M william said he steaks on
<v Speaker 3>Hokun matchup, said Savage during a recent interview. Oh put
<v Speaker 3>a bundle of cash. It's a guarantee. Maybe I'll throw
<v Speaker 3>her in. What hegested nodding his head is beautiful, but docile, manager, Elizabeth,
<v Speaker 3>that's it. He just put his woman up for grabs
<v Speaker 3>like she's.
<v Speaker 6>Probably that's actually against type for his character. I wouldn't
<v Speaker 6>expect him to.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I don't. I think that was a bad idea.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he says he says he's jesting, but he
<v Speaker 3>doesn't jest like that right exactly. That was a bad
<v Speaker 3>That's a bad uh writing job. Someone didn't do their
<v Speaker 3>research on Randy Savage. Elizabeth, who made no wonder there's
<v Speaker 3>no fucking uh crazy. He wanted his byline removed exactly. Elizabeth,
<v Speaker 3>who makes no secret she worships Savage, was sitting nearby
<v Speaker 3>as he boasted. A look of pain cross her delicate
<v Speaker 3>features at Savage's cruel joke. Whoa well, maybe not Elizabeth
<v Speaker 3>the Intercontinental Champion. She's too good looking for the overstuffed clown.
<v Speaker 3>She makes too good a decoration for me to have
<v Speaker 3>around the overstuffed clown? Is that what he calls? Brothers one?
<v Speaker 3>What do you or why you do?
<v Speaker 1>The La fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
<v Speaker 1>the boys need their candy.
<v Speaker 2>It's the lapsed fan.
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<v Speaker 1>and JP Sorrow.
<v Speaker 3>Savage might have been joshing. This is a vinciic Man
<v Speaker 3>article right there that just gave it all away. Savage
<v Speaker 3>might have been joshing. Nobody says that you know who
<v Speaker 3>else was joshing at Born in WCW, he was big
<v Speaker 3>joshing around, but his demeanor left no doubts in reporters
<v Speaker 3>minds that if it meant getting ahead on the WWE
<v Speaker 3>and gaining more Glory Savage would sacrifice anything, even Elizabeth
<v Speaker 3>The macho Man's dream of twin titles, notwithstanding, in case
<v Speaker 3>there was any doubt, if there was any doubt at all,
<v Speaker 3>the macho Man's dream of twin titles, notwithstanding, he could
<v Speaker 3>be in the months ahead defending the one he already holds.
<v Speaker 3>He may be able to choose his intercontinental opponents to
<v Speaker 3>a degree, but WW officials say they will insist that
<v Speaker 3>he meet the best competition available, and that means athletes
<v Speaker 3>on the level of Ricky the Dragon's Zeaboat, Corporal Kirshner,
<v Speaker 3>Paul Mister Wonder Florendorf, and for sure former champ Santana.
<v Speaker 3>Santana is itching for a rematch that will return the
<v Speaker 3>title to his ownership. Christ Again, they definitely Vince McMahon,
<v Speaker 3>sat up a typewriter, glasses down on the end of
<v Speaker 3>his nose, is itching for a rematch that will return
<v Speaker 3>the title to his ownership.
<v Speaker 8>Good.
<v Speaker 6>We kind of detected this a long time ago during
<v Speaker 6>an episode of This American work where we were going
<v Speaker 6>through press clippings in and around Bangor, Maine. At the time,
<v Speaker 6>Vince Junior was said to have been assigned that as
<v Speaker 6>his very first wrestling territory by his father to see
<v Speaker 6>if he could handle his own territory. And if you recall,
<v Speaker 6>we denoted or nasal gas denoted a market shift in
<v Speaker 6>tone in the way the pre match press releases would read.
<v Speaker 6>It went from you know, articles sort of just about
<v Speaker 6>who's on the card and who's wrestling and where, to
<v Speaker 6>these more flowery descriptions of how packed the house was
<v Speaker 6>last time, and this notion that somehow a record was
<v Speaker 6>set or records were being set by wrestling crowds, and
<v Speaker 6>it just, you know, placing the emphasis on totally different
<v Speaker 6>elements of the wrestling show than just who's participating. And
<v Speaker 6>you know, if that was indeed Vince, you know, trying
<v Speaker 6>to pull himself up by his brute straps and prove
<v Speaker 6>himself to his pops and all that bullshit. He's sitting
<v Speaker 6>at the typewriter, you know, and probably a very modest
<v Speaker 6>abode with Linda before they were millionaires and deep into it.
<v Speaker 6>Probably was him exercising the same muscle that we see here.
<v Speaker 6>Do I think he sat at a typewriter and wrote
<v Speaker 6>WWF magazine articles? No, do I think that he essentially
<v Speaker 6>dictated to the writers the verbiage that had to be
<v Speaker 6>in there. Yes, I bet sometimes he straight up dictated.
<v Speaker 6>I would love to know, you know, the agree to
<v Speaker 6>which he just dictated the words, or it probably wouldn't
<v Speaker 6>even taste that. You probably just you know, if you
<v Speaker 6>wrote for the magazine, you probably internalize the way Vince
<v Speaker 6>talked about these guys and found yourself using the same
<v Speaker 6>terminology he used, or thinking about describing a match or
<v Speaker 6>a move, or a wrestler or a wrestler's mentality the
<v Speaker 6>same way he would.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I agree with you. I'm sure that that
<v Speaker 3>is very much you know, you no doubt get you
<v Speaker 3>will your your brain will learn to think like Vince McMahon.
<v Speaker 6>Especially in these early days when this is like his
<v Speaker 6>his his primary means of communicating in print what he's
<v Speaker 6>envisioning for the show and the characters. You can really
<v Speaker 6>see him, you know. They do these articles about Minneapolis
<v Speaker 6>and Saint Louis in Atlanta and these territories that he's conquering,
<v Speaker 6>and you can see in the pages of the magazine
<v Speaker 6>how with a story he's telling himself and thus telling
<v Speaker 6>the fans about what these moves signify and why these
<v Speaker 6>are sort of natural evolutions and it's it's just absolutely fascinating.
<v Speaker 6>And he had enough time, i think, on his hands
<v Speaker 6>back then, even though the wrestlers were getting busier, busier
<v Speaker 6>and busier, crossing the country and indeed the globe doing
<v Speaker 6>all these shots because of the demand suddenly for WWF wrestling,
<v Speaker 6>He's not going all these shows. He's he's in the office.
<v Speaker 6>You know, he's stroking his chin thinking. You know, he's
<v Speaker 6>he's navel gazing about his company and his wrestlers and
<v Speaker 6>his presentations, and this is a great way to express it.
<v Speaker 6>He's got the time. As time goes, he doesn't. Interestingly,
<v Speaker 6>one time, Brian Solomon, who wrote for the magazine in
<v Speaker 6>the two thousands and does a wrestling podcast now. He
<v Speaker 6>wrote the Chic Book and stuff, he had said that
<v Speaker 6>one point, it's beeging of Randy Savage. Ironically, he was
<v Speaker 6>on the phone with Randy Savage in two thousand and
<v Speaker 6>two interviewing him for WWF magazine, and Savage at one
<v Speaker 6>point goes, does Vince know that you're interviewing me for
<v Speaker 6>his magazine? Because it would surprise me if he was
<v Speaker 6>okay with this, and Brian said, no, he doesn't care.
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't know. He doesn't know. That's how toward the.
<v Speaker 6>End of the w w F magazine run. How how
<v Speaker 6>low on the Vince radar this magazine was. But you
<v Speaker 6>can't tell me the way these articles read from the
<v Speaker 6>mid to late eighties that he wasn't even in the nineties.
<v Speaker 3>Even in the nineties. Oh sure, if you if you
<v Speaker 3>read the the uh, the incredible descriptions of the matches,
<v Speaker 3>like the the Battle of the Titans, articles like it's
<v Speaker 3>it is the same, it's the same. It's incredible, lengthy,
<v Speaker 3>unnecessary verbies.
<v Speaker 6>They get a paragraph out of every move that happens,
<v Speaker 6>right exactly, Like it's probably why we do the dive
<v Speaker 6>the way we do. You know, It's like it's true.
<v Speaker 6>He trained us to like come up, challenged us to
<v Speaker 6>come up with the most flowery, weird ways of describing
<v Speaker 6>the same match over and over again.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, exactly. Ownership. Oh oh no, I'll never get suckered
<v Speaker 3>by Savage again, he vows. Oh yeah, this is WWE
<v Speaker 3>Hall of Famer Tito Santana. This what happened in Boston
<v Speaker 3>makes me sick. It's the first time I've ever been
<v Speaker 3>knocked out, and he did it by cheating. Did it
<v Speaker 3>by cheating. The belt is still mine. It's only as
<v Speaker 3>good as the man who wears it, and Savage is.
<v Speaker 2>No man.
<v Speaker 3>Awesome, santanic, and gripe. But fans who saw the match
<v Speaker 3>live in Boston and later on national television saw that
<v Speaker 3>a cheetah or not, Savage is very much a man
<v Speaker 3>to be reckoned with between the ropes. From the moment
<v Speaker 3>he started toward the ring, clad in as spangly blue
<v Speaker 3>robe and trailing his adoring Elizabeth, Savage made a forceful
<v Speaker 3>impression on the crowd. His eyes blazed dangerously and the
<v Speaker 3>muscles of his neck were corded, showing that despite his
<v Speaker 3>gaudy posturing, he was ready for serious action. Across the ring,
<v Speaker 3>Santana loosened up on the ropes, shook his shoulders and arms,
<v Speaker 3>and waited for the bout to begin. From the second
<v Speaker 3>it did, the two men went at each other like
<v Speaker 3>caged pit bulls. Santana, less muscular than Savage, moved around
<v Speaker 3>the ring more fluidly and quickly than the challenger. But
<v Speaker 3>that's a fucking lie. But okay, like Savage is fucking
<v Speaker 3>quick as fuck. In that minute, his primary Yeah, why not?
<v Speaker 3>When the two locked up. As they did repeatedly. Savage's
<v Speaker 3>superior strength was obvious. Both fought so aggressively and skillfully
<v Speaker 3>for almost the full duration of the match that neither
<v Speaker 3>could gain the upper hand for more than a few moments.
<v Speaker 3>Savage wrapped his massive arms around Santana and applied a
<v Speaker 3>crushing bear hug, and he expertly reversed it. Moments later,
<v Speaker 3>Savage whipped Santana over the over with a flying mare,
<v Speaker 3>only to end up caught in their head scissors by
<v Speaker 3>the Mexican. Fists and feet flew and the bodies of
<v Speaker 3>both men shuddered as the blows thundered into them. First
<v Speaker 3>one man was rocked and wildly, then the other. The
<v Speaker 3>war spilled out of the ring, onto the arena floor,
<v Speaker 3>and then onto the mat again. As the match continued
<v Speaker 3>and the action took its toll on endurance took its
<v Speaker 3>toll on endurance, Santana seemed slightly the fresher of the two.
<v Speaker 3>He retained a surprising amount of quickness with Savage, while
<v Speaker 3>Savage seemed noticeably to slow down. Then with Savage down,
<v Speaker 3>Santana moved with speed and precision to tie him up
<v Speaker 3>in a figure four leg lock. Santana's Figure four is
<v Speaker 3>one of the best in the business, rivaling that of
<v Speaker 3>Great the Hammer Valentine. Writhing in pain, Savage seemed on
<v Speaker 3>his way out, but with undeniable courage and power, the
<v Speaker 3>macho man rolled Santana over and managed to grab the ropes,
<v Speaker 3>forcing the referee to break up the combatants. Although free
<v Speaker 3>of the Figure four, Savage had not recovered from its effects.
<v Speaker 3>Sensing he still had a good chance to put Savage away,
<v Speaker 3>Santana went after him. Savage took refuge near the ropes,
<v Speaker 3>then turned his back momentarily on the ring and reached
<v Speaker 3>into his trunks for the weapon he had secret he
<v Speaker 3>had secreted there secreted, secreted, Yeah, that is secreted. Is
<v Speaker 3>it secreted or secreted? Well, it could be see spelled
<v Speaker 3>dispell it is it's spelled in the article. It's sec
<v Speaker 3>r e t ed.
<v Speaker 6>It's secreted. That means it comes out. That does not
<v Speaker 6>mean it's been hidden, as if by secret to secrete something.
<v Speaker 3>But if it's secret is secret is spelled the same way?
<v Speaker 6>If it's yes, Yes, I don't believe secreted. I don't
<v Speaker 6>think secret can be a verb. It could be wrong
<v Speaker 6>about that.
<v Speaker 3>I think, well, I think you're wrong. I have an extensive,
<v Speaker 3>lengthy intelligence regarding the exaggerated verbiage of the English language,
<v Speaker 3>and I believe secret it is a word.
<v Speaker 6>Secreted is a verb, but it's the it's the past
<v Speaker 6>tense of secrete, not of secret.
<v Speaker 4>Wow.
<v Speaker 3>There we go. The act was visible to those that
<v Speaker 3>ring side the television cameras, but not to everyone in
<v Speaker 3>the Boston I have I have a.
<v Speaker 6>Second definition here, oh boy, to hide something carefully, to
<v Speaker 6>secrete something under the floorboards. Wow, I stand corrected. I've
<v Speaker 6>never heard of that before as a verbodbine, look at that.
<v Speaker 6>See I know what I'm talking about. I should shut out?
<v Speaker 6>Am I am the English language? Have the fake Harvard MBA.
<v Speaker 3>After all? That's right, I'm well. I have an honorary
<v Speaker 3>degree in many institutions that have therefore sought it necessary
<v Speaker 3>to bestow them upon yours. Truly, it's a less formal,
<v Speaker 3>archaic use of the worst secret. Oh say. The act
<v Speaker 3>was visible to those that brings side in the television cameras,
<v Speaker 3>but not to everyone in the Boston garden. So many
<v Speaker 3>fans were not aware that Santana wasn't danger right. Turning
<v Speaker 3>Savage found Santana upon him in the middle of the night,
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, and swung a vicious blow at the
<v Speaker 3>champion with the fist holding the foreign object. Okay, soject
<v Speaker 3>not rolled steel. No, Santana ducked and grabbed Savage for
<v Speaker 3>a suplex. As Savage went up and over Santana, he
<v Speaker 3>did go over Santana. Actually, the Imacha man slammed his
<v Speaker 3>hidden weapon into the Mexican's head. The two men slammed
<v Speaker 3>thunderously to the mat, both on their backs. Except for
<v Speaker 3>those who had observed the illegal weapon, the fans waited
<v Speaker 3>for Santana to rise and cover Savage for the winning pin. Instead,
<v Speaker 3>it was Savage who painfully raised himself from the mat,
<v Speaker 3>while Santana lay unconscious, his legs, trembling in arms, thrashing
<v Speaker 3>about I don't recall that now, that was not what happens.
<v Speaker 3>Santana had been defeated, still staggered even in victory, Savage
<v Speaker 3>snapped up the championship belt and left the ring, hardly
<v Speaker 3>able to stay on his feet. He did not even
<v Speaker 3>wait for the referee to raise his hand in victory, but,
<v Speaker 3>lurching and stager, ring made for the dressing room. The
<v Speaker 3>referee meanwhile, crouched over Santana and seemed ready to summon
<v Speaker 3>medical help when the defeated champion's eyes opened conscious again,
<v Speaker 3>Santana nevertheless spent several minutes recovering on the mat before
<v Speaker 3>he too could leave for the dressing room. Santana's dressing room, however,
<v Speaker 3>would be a gloomy one, while although the Macho Man
<v Speaker 3>had wounds to nurse, his would be the scene of
<v Speaker 3>momentous celebration.
<v Speaker 6>Ah Intercontinental Champion. There we go, Andy Savage, now belted
<v Speaker 6>and now the subject of his very own coliseum home
<v Speaker 6>video release. Well, we spent a lot of time talking
<v Speaker 6>about that for every twenty second nineteen eighty six title change,
<v Speaker 6>And there's so many questions regarding the Tito Santana Renny
<v Speaker 6>Savage match, and we've talked about it many times before.
<v Speaker 6>To your point, we've looked at it many times before.
<v Speaker 6>But I just still don't feel confident that I know
<v Speaker 6>what it was that Randy Savage bunked Tito Santana over
<v Speaker 6>the head with that night at Boston Garden.
<v Speaker 3>Well, Gorilla, said rolled Steele. I trust Gorilla monster.
<v Speaker 6>He seemed to say it, though, especially upon rewatching it
<v Speaker 6>again here for the Coliseum collection as if he wasn't
<v Speaker 6>quite sure. You know, Savage is gone. We can't ask him.
<v Speaker 6>There's perhaps only one man who would know, and that
<v Speaker 6>would be Jesse Ventura.
<v Speaker 8>This is w w E. Hall of Favor Tito Santana
<v Speaker 8>give him a shout out to JP. Hoping to answer
<v Speaker 8>some of your questions. First of all, thank you for
<v Speaker 8>liking my matches against Rendy Machio Man Savage. He was
<v Speaker 8>a fantastic talent. But when he won the title from me.
<v Speaker 8>As a matter of fact, I found out that Terry
<v Speaker 8>Funk gave him a little like a metal looked like
<v Speaker 8>a barber.
<v Speaker 3>That weight.
<v Speaker 8>Put it, you know, use it as a put it
<v Speaker 8>in his vest, and he hit me in the head
<v Speaker 8>and he kind of opened me up a little bit.
<v Speaker 8>They didn't show the blood too much, but he did
<v Speaker 8>open me up a little bit. Uh So, Macho man special,
<v Speaker 8>I believe. But made him special was the way him
<v Speaker 8>and uh miss Elizabeth worked together. You know, they had
<v Speaker 8>they had it.
<v Speaker 3>Going on as they were a good team.
<v Speaker 8>I mean for him, the way he reacted and the
<v Speaker 8>way he treated her got him a lot of heat.
<v Speaker 8>Why did Bruno get involved in my feud?
<v Speaker 3>I don't really know. I have nothing to say.
<v Speaker 8>As a matter of fact, Bruno said, Martino maybe asked
<v Speaker 8>Vince to be involved because he had a lot more
<v Speaker 8>pull than I did.
<v Speaker 3>But I hope that as.
<v Speaker 8>There's all your questions, JP, thank you very much for
<v Speaker 8>being a Tito Santana fan or a professional wrestling fan.
<v Speaker 8>Maybe you like Savage a little bit more, doesn't matter.
<v Speaker 8>We're all in the same fraternity. We're all professional wrestlers, okay,
<v Speaker 8>and I am grateful to have you as a fan.
<v Speaker 3>What a nice guy. I don't know.
<v Speaker 6>He sounds kind of mad that like you sent him
<v Speaker 6>a cameo but asked questions about someone other than him,
<v Speaker 6>asking them about Reddy Savage.
<v Speaker 3>What made Randy Savage special? Maybe you like Randy better
<v Speaker 3>than you like me. I know, I know, My god,
<v Speaker 3>that's so funny.
<v Speaker 6>Had a very very flattering and diplomatic answer regarding you
<v Speaker 6>know what made Randy special? There in response to our inquiry. Well,
<v Speaker 6>we can lay it to rest. It is a metal
<v Speaker 6>weight barbell, according to I.
<v Speaker 3>Mean, totally looks like it too. But what makes it
<v Speaker 3>look makes it look weird is the fact that it
<v Speaker 3>has those those those sections that are jutting out on
<v Speaker 3>either end, right, you know, it does look like a
<v Speaker 3>bar bell, but it looks Yeah, it's it's those it's
<v Speaker 3>those little spikes at the end that are weird.
<v Speaker 6>I'll take that over rolled steel personally in terms of
<v Speaker 6>what they want.
<v Speaker 3>I like saying, yeah, that's never gonna die.
<v Speaker 6>Such a whole reason it was a funny question to
<v Speaker 6>ask him is because we've made such a big deal
<v Speaker 6>out of rolled steel over.
<v Speaker 3>There, rolled steel only wrestling rolled steel, such a fucking
<v Speaker 3>just just say it's a fucking steel stick, or something
<v Speaker 3>like why is it going to be a metal just
<v Speaker 3>a metal club, or something like why does rolled steel
<v Speaker 3>of all things? Like why does that make a difference,
<v Speaker 3>that's all, when I can't just be a lead pipe?
<v Speaker 3>You know, I've ever heard one that's a gorilla is?
<v Speaker 6>Oh, it absolutely is. You hit them with a paper weight, jess. Now,
<v Speaker 6>what I was fascinated by there was that he said
<v Speaker 6>Terry Funk gave Randy.
<v Speaker 3>Say what you know, that's incredible because it just it
<v Speaker 3>just goes to show you that I just see Terry
<v Speaker 3>Funk is like.
<v Speaker 6>Everybody, no, that's that was the thesis of the lapsed
<v Speaker 6>Funk all over the place, like he is involved in
<v Speaker 6>everything he brought to you know, one of the businesses
<v Speaker 6>we talked about as a West Texas State football player,
<v Speaker 6>you know, he was the first stop was a marilla
<v Speaker 6>for him, and you brought him in.
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I don't know what you're thinking about
<v Speaker 3>for the finish, but you know what I got here.
<v Speaker 3>I got a small bar bell figure. You know, you
<v Speaker 3>go ahead and whack him in the head. That might
<v Speaker 3>just you know, do some business, might open him up
<v Speaker 3>a bit, not too much of the cameras we'll see it,
<v Speaker 3>but open him out. You know, you might take it.
<v Speaker 3>You hit him right at the right place. You might
<v Speaker 3>open up a little bit, you know, not enough for
<v Speaker 3>the cameras to take a look. But you know what,
<v Speaker 3>I mean that seriously.
<v Speaker 12>And I'm serious about this, and I mean that's sincereious
<v Speaker 12>about this, and I mean that's sincerely want ahead.
<v Speaker 6>And so I don't know, maybe that's just a shout
<v Speaker 6>out to his mentor and sort of like she won
<v Speaker 6>him in because I I searched and low, I don't
<v Speaker 6>think that there was ever a connection drawn on WWF television.
<v Speaker 6>It could be wrong about this, uh to Ready Savage
<v Speaker 6>using the object to cheat against Tito and Terry Funk
<v Speaker 6>having something to do with it would be one thing
<v Speaker 6>if Tito said that, because the follow on to this
<v Speaker 6>on WWF television was like they transitioned from Tito versus
<v Speaker 6>Randy to Tito versus Terry Funk in a feud, you know,
<v Speaker 6>and they.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I just took it as like that behind the
<v Speaker 3>scenes thing, like, you know, Terry was just like, just
<v Speaker 3>we'll go ahead and take this as a weapon.
<v Speaker 6>So you took that as Terry like honestly and in
<v Speaker 6>a shoot way, not in a k fab way suggesting
<v Speaker 6>that this could be the weapon that you use.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, because when he said it, I was kind of
<v Speaker 6>like thinking, he's he's he's k fabing like that son
<v Speaker 6>of a bitch. Terry Funk gave it to Randy Savage,
<v Speaker 6>not we were backstage trying to figure out what weapon
<v Speaker 6>do you use, and Terry Funk was the one to suggest.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, that's not how I took I
<v Speaker 3>took it as being like more like, you know, we
<v Speaker 3>were trying to figure out what to do and Terry said, hey, hey,
<v Speaker 3>why don't you take this? I got a you know,
<v Speaker 3>I got a spare bone, in my pants. You know,
<v Speaker 3>it fits pretty nicely in there. You could probably, I suppose,
<v Speaker 3>depending on the size of your cock, but you know
<v Speaker 3>you could put it down there and maybe maybe you
<v Speaker 3>got yourself a little a little gimmick.
<v Speaker 6>I can yeah, I can definitely see Terry having like
<v Speaker 6>a bag of gimmicks like that, you know, like I'll
<v Speaker 6>tell you something.
<v Speaker 12>Kid carried one thing we used one time in El Paso.
<v Speaker 12>I was working against uh what was his name? Cyclone Negro,
<v Speaker 12>and we were in there and I went ahead and said, Cyclone,
<v Speaker 12>how do we get to the finish tonight? We need
<v Speaker 12>something that's going to get the people to come back.
<v Speaker 12>And he said to me, go use the barbell approach.
<v Speaker 12>I said, that's a hell of an idea, Cyclone. So
<v Speaker 12>I went and got a bar bell from the hardware store,
<v Speaker 12>and i've ever since, I've been carrying.
<v Speaker 3>It with me on the road. I'll tell you, I
<v Speaker 3>keep it in my back. A gimmick. It's anyone needs
<v Speaker 3>a finish. Everyone comes to the Funker for a finish. Terry,
<v Speaker 3>how are you were struggling for a finish on this thing?
<v Speaker 3>On this deal? He miss e Funker. You know, I'm
<v Speaker 3>going back I'm trying to think about something, get thinking thinking,
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, trying to figure out how
<v Speaker 3>we can take away the w W Continental Championship without
<v Speaker 3>making he don't look bad.
<v Speaker 6>We say the strap, he says, the w W Intertontinental
<v Speaker 6>Championship to Terry Funk.
<v Speaker 3>Because I've got to get him down for the one,
<v Speaker 3>two or three, you know what I'm saying. So what
<v Speaker 3>we're trying to do is figure out a way to
<v Speaker 3>make him keep him looking strong without having to take
<v Speaker 3>away the heat of the moncule. Man, what are you
<v Speaker 3>good in mind? Funk Man? Well, you know I can
<v Speaker 3>go ahead and take out the back of gimmicks and
<v Speaker 3>see who we got himself.
<v Speaker 6>First of all, Randy, I'm flattered you would come to me,
<v Speaker 6>and I mean that's inserted. You know how much your
<v Speaker 6>dad meant to me, and you know he was so.
<v Speaker 3>Just want to say, you know, Randy, I've been a
<v Speaker 3>big fan of Apafos all my life, big fan of Apaffo,
<v Speaker 3>even like Lannie.
<v Speaker 6>He would take that Laddies in the locker room like
<v Speaker 6>shaking his head, getting his fucking Frisbees ready.
<v Speaker 3>And uh, you know, I think the funks and the
<v Speaker 3>and the Pafos have it all when it comes to
<v Speaker 3>the longevity of the business. What I got here, I
<v Speaker 3>got my back of gimmicks. Bring him everywhere I go,
<v Speaker 3>I always start adding some, taking away some depending on
<v Speaker 3>where I am right. But here we go, I'm going
<v Speaker 3>to open it up and what I do. This is
<v Speaker 3>the way I do business. When it comes to the
<v Speaker 3>gimmick bag, I just put my hand in and whenever
<v Speaker 3>I grab first, that's the gimmick. And as I'm frowling
<v Speaker 3>around and here, Randa, I just want you to know.
<v Speaker 3>One of the things I love so much about the
<v Speaker 3>Pafos is that you know what I especially love when
<v Speaker 3>your brother is performing in Philadelphia. Don't know why that is?
<v Speaker 3>Who's it, Jerry? I love it because he's not only
<v Speaker 3>in the spectrum, he's on the spectrum. Well, good thing
<v Speaker 3>youthing built?
<v Speaker 8>Then?
<v Speaker 3>Where are you making me a little nervous about something?
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be honest with you, Terry Funk, because they're
<v Speaker 3>gonna tell you this. I gotta ask you this question
<v Speaker 3>right now. Who said I have a book? Not who
<v Speaker 3>said he has autism? But who said I have a brother?
<v Speaker 3>Nobody told me I had a brother. I'm not aware
<v Speaker 3>of himing his sibling. I've got up and down ways
<v Speaker 3>everywhere between the scene. I'm right here. I'm looking at
<v Speaker 3>you right now, random, Random, no wonder. I don't think
<v Speaker 3>he has a brother. There's this fucking guy that's been
<v Speaker 3>falling her eyes whole life telling him Random's and that's
<v Speaker 3>not his name. A good, A guy behind me called
<v Speaker 3>Landon's puffle. I don't know what he's doing right there.
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's funny. I got a brother named Dorence. Did
<v Speaker 3>you know the dory? His name Dorence? My father was
<v Speaker 3>his name. Hey, you know what right now? All these
<v Speaker 3>in is making me a little nervous. And I understand Terrence,
<v Speaker 3>I understand the first name is Terrence. Brother, what answers
<v Speaker 3>as you said? I will? I will, Brother. I don't
<v Speaker 3>want to. I don't don't include me with any insines, Dude,
<v Speaker 3>I want to. Heavens what, brother, Dallas, Oh, heavens, that
<v Speaker 3>might be a bridge too far. Brother. Let's chop that
<v Speaker 3>up in terms of what that could mean for whole
<v Speaker 3>Coogan Good. A lot of people around me right now,
<v Speaker 3>a lot of individuals. Problem. He's not not noticing, you
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. I just came here for a
<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden, three different guys coming up
<v Speaker 3>behind it starts backing up like I don't know what
<v Speaker 3>the big idea here is, but I'm gonna make my
<v Speaker 3>exit from a lot of people I don't know. I
<v Speaker 3>don't it's a riot, by the way, I need you
<v Speaker 3>to know. Okay, the whole time I'm doing savage, I've
<v Speaker 3>got my hands in the air and I'm doing a
<v Speaker 3>little twiddly fingers, fucking little Bob Fossey fingers. Okay, a
<v Speaker 3>lot of people I don't know, a lot of people
<v Speaker 3>don't know around me right now. It makes me a
<v Speaker 3>little nervous. Mmmmm, I'm feeling right there in the billy.
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying, Uh huh. Not digging that.
<v Speaker 3>Not digging that one bit.
<v Speaker 6>And that's that's lapsed magic. Because how else could we
<v Speaker 6>have come into a scenario that would involve Terry Funk
<v Speaker 6>on the Macho Man tape if we didn't get the
<v Speaker 6>cameo from you know what I mean? No one is
<v Speaker 6>talking about Tammy's rolling all this and all, and so yeah,
<v Speaker 6>I detected a little bit of of peeve peeved nature there.
<v Speaker 6>When it comes to asking Tito about Randy we go
<v Speaker 6>to the RF video shoot interview that I mentioned earlier.
<v Speaker 6>Oh boy, just Tito talking about how Randy showed up.
<v Speaker 6>I needed to be taught the New York. This is
<v Speaker 6>Tito's kind of humble bra way of saying like, yeah,
<v Speaker 6>he is, you know, set up for success because of
<v Speaker 6>the things I taught him.
<v Speaker 1>What are your memories of some of your early matches
<v Speaker 1>with the macho man Randy Savage?
<v Speaker 3>And what was like working with Randy?
<v Speaker 10>Randy was he came in to New York. I don't
<v Speaker 10>know if you remember what he was by himself, who
<v Speaker 10>thought Elizabeth and he hadn't really wrestled on top anywhere
<v Speaker 10>other than Memphis, Memphis.
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't a very.
<v Speaker 10>Knowledgeable wrestler as far as working you know, on top
<v Speaker 10>in any other territory. And I remember the first match
<v Speaker 10>that I wrestled with him in Detroit. I he called
<v Speaker 10>the whole match and I, you know, after the match,
<v Speaker 10>we didn't get much of a response of response, And
<v Speaker 10>I was the champion at the time, and I said, Randy,
<v Speaker 10>I said, electricly call the home match because it's the
<v Speaker 10>way I work, I said, But I did stuff. Uh,
<v Speaker 10>I threw more draw picks with you than than then
<v Speaker 10>I have. You know, in one day that I'm blown
<v Speaker 10>and in two years since I've been here. I said,
<v Speaker 10>we were just doing things for you know, for doing things.
<v Speaker 10>I said, you know, I'm gonna expect to you the
<v Speaker 10>the style that New York likes. I said, New York
<v Speaker 10>likes a little bit of wrestling and some ass kicking,
<v Speaker 10>you know, mixed in right, you know, they don't want
<v Speaker 10>to see just bumps. You know, it's to me, that
<v Speaker 10>was a very Gabbroni match. You know what stuff that doing.
<v Speaker 10>When I first started doing twenty minute draws, you know what,
<v Speaker 10>you don't know what you're doing, and he picked it
<v Speaker 10>up pretty quick. I mean, he he, you know, I
<v Speaker 10>don't know that I had anything to do with it,
<v Speaker 10>but you know he he figured out what people in
<v Speaker 10>New York light.
<v Speaker 3>And the rest is history. But I love that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you definitely had something to do with it. Yeah. Yeah, First,
<v Speaker 3>don't sell yourself short.
<v Speaker 6>Last time we were with you in the Colisseum collection. Interestingly,
<v Speaker 6>as the Intercontinental title is concerned, we talked about mister
<v Speaker 6>Fuji and some of the things he told WWF magazine
<v Speaker 6>as a manager of Don Morocco. Of course, Fuji Vice,
<v Speaker 6>figuring prominently into the last Coliseum home video release, WWF's
<v Speaker 6>explosive TNT Show. And one of the things that Fuji
<v Speaker 6>told WWA of magazine, if your a call, Boss, is
<v Speaker 6>that Tito Santana, who in fact was the one to
<v Speaker 6>take the Intercontinental Championship from Don Morocco. Similarly in Boston
<v Speaker 6>at the Garden, Mister Fuji tried to take that away
<v Speaker 6>from Tito Santana. Mister Fuji tried to say, right, how
<v Speaker 6>did he do you recall how he said, Tito Santana
<v Speaker 6>came upon possession of the ic strap.
<v Speaker 3>I found it in the trash in the trash can.
<v Speaker 6>Mister Fuji told the readers of WWF Magazine that Tito
<v Speaker 6>Santana did not defeat his man Don Morocco for the championship,
<v Speaker 6>that in fact, he found it in a trash can.
<v Speaker 6>And to us this presented an irreconcilable conflict of facts.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he can't be both, Yes, it can't be
<v Speaker 6>that Tito defeated Don Morocco Farren Square for the title
<v Speaker 6>in Boston Garden and that he found it, in fact
<v Speaker 6>in a trash can. Can both things be true? Well,
<v Speaker 6>you know the nature of the solar system, boss, don't
<v Speaker 6>you Yes, I do know that they don't leave historical
<v Speaker 6>curiosities unsatisfied like that and satiated.
<v Speaker 3>And so you better believe facts. You better believe that
<v Speaker 3>the homie Zach was on the case. You're damn right.
<v Speaker 6>And the response, well, it's as carnee as you can get.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is w W E.
<v Speaker 8>Hall of Famered Titos Santana given a shout out to Jack,
<v Speaker 8>asked of me by Zach. I don't know how much
<v Speaker 8>you know about mister Fuji, Jack, But mister Fuji was
<v Speaker 8>a big liar and he was a big river, so
<v Speaker 8>he would like about anything. Remember he was a heeled manager,
<v Speaker 8>so of course he was managing Morocco when I beat
<v Speaker 8>him for the title.
<v Speaker 4>Remember that.
<v Speaker 8>So there is no truth about me finding the intercontinental
<v Speaker 8>title in the trash? Can I beat Don Morocco in
<v Speaker 8>the Boston Garden? So I hope you believe that. I
<v Speaker 8>don't believe mister Fuji. May he rest in grace. He
<v Speaker 8>was a good man. Take care of yourself. I hope
<v Speaker 8>I answered your question.
<v Speaker 3>Well, there you have it. It does not all these
<v Speaker 3>years later COPTI finding the title only there is nobody.
<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you this, Okay, there is nobody in
<v Speaker 3>the world who acts like who, who recites stuff, who
<v Speaker 3>is speaking off the cuff but sounds like they're reading
<v Speaker 3>from a fucking a cue card three miles away. There's
<v Speaker 3>nobody else in the world like he always sounds like
<v Speaker 3>he's he's he's reading something. It's hilarious, it is serious.
<v Speaker 3>It's like he just he cannot There's like no fluidity
<v Speaker 3>to his to his to his delivery of answer.
<v Speaker 6>What I love about it too, is he's kind of
<v Speaker 6>like dancing around the possibility that maybe the person that
<v Speaker 6>requested this thinks it's real and like doesn't know what
<v Speaker 6>a rib is, or like, you know, actually thinks mister
<v Speaker 6>Fuji was telling the truth. Zach wrote hilariously and sharing
<v Speaker 6>this great moment here of lapsed charity. My question was, essentially,
<v Speaker 6>is it true what mister Fuji said that you found
<v Speaker 6>the belt in the trash? Can he clearly thinks that
<v Speaker 6>I'm a slow adult or believe wrestling is real? I
<v Speaker 6>mean tremendous stuff, pal, that's.
<v Speaker 3>What that's what we live for. That is exactly where
<v Speaker 3>we live. So how about that?
<v Speaker 4>Huh?
<v Speaker 6>Not one, but two Tito cameos on the Colisseum home
<v Speaker 6>video coverage of Machevin Savage and Elizabeth Double. That's business
<v Speaker 6>right there, Double, what you're bargain for?
<v Speaker 8>Right?
<v Speaker 3>Always wait? Always wait? Boss? Yes? What have we got
<v Speaker 3>over here? What's this?
<v Speaker 2>Is this?
<v Speaker 3>What is this?
<v Speaker 8>This is double w e Hall of famored Tito Santana,
<v Speaker 8>just finishing a workout and I've gotta get this done.
<v Speaker 3>A shout out to the left fan. There we go.
<v Speaker 11>One day, August the third, at noon, What the life
<v Speaker 11>invades the Comedy Village three fifty two West forty fourth
<v Speaker 11>Street in Times Square, be there, good luck.
<v Speaker 3>You hurt the man, You hurt the man.
<v Speaker 6>Followers on TLF social may have seen that the bat
<v Speaker 6>signal went up again, fucker, and that August third at
<v Speaker 6>high noon, SummerSlam weekend.
<v Speaker 9>Sunday, August third at noon, the lapsed fan takes on
<v Speaker 9>Times Square tickets at Comedy Village dot com. There goes
<v Speaker 9>the neighborhood, you fucking bitch. Comedy Village dot com is
<v Speaker 9>the neighborhood. The fucking bitch was the neighborhood, you fucking bitch.
<v Speaker 9>Fucking bitch, bitch.
<v Speaker 3>Thanks to whoever that was.
<v Speaker 1>It's the lap Tall Wrestling Podcast, the wrestling podcast that
<v Speaker 1>knows the boys need their candy.
<v Speaker 2>It's the Lampsed Fan. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast
<v Speaker 2>with Jack and.
<v Speaker 6>Jpo exactly laying down the track. You got it, Okay,
<v Speaker 6>it's it's come together. TLF takes the stage again at
<v Speaker 6>the Comedy Village right there in Times Square. You heard
<v Speaker 6>the address Comedy Village dot com. By the time you
<v Speaker 6>hear this, we hope that the link will be made
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<v Speaker 6>because this is I mean, I guess it's safe to
<v Speaker 6>say that the Lapse Fame is going Broadway Broadway. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 6>we are, we belong in Times Square. It reminds me
<v Speaker 6>a lot of when WWF New York open right around
<v Speaker 6>the corner from this venue. Yes, of course, there goes
<v Speaker 6>the neighborhood. Is an acknowledgement of the tagline of the
<v Speaker 6>w w F New York restaurant and upon, you know,
<v Speaker 6>the big grand opening of the restaurant and the red
<v Speaker 6>carpet event that they did. Entertainment Tonight came out and
<v Speaker 6>covered it. All the superstars came out to walk from
<v Speaker 6>their limousines into the restaurant, and I think Vince McMahon
<v Speaker 6>had had the most choice comment that's most applicable to
<v Speaker 6>what we're thinking about on this August third Time Square premiere.
<v Speaker 3>We're right in the middle of it all. That's really
<v Speaker 3>we belong. You damn right, We're right in the middle
<v Speaker 3>of it all. That's really well, we belong.
<v Speaker 9>Sunday, August third, at noon, The Lapsed Fan takes on
<v Speaker 9>Times Square Tickets at Comedy Village dot com. There goes
<v Speaker 9>the neighborhood. You fucking pick.
<v Speaker 3>Fucking let's get it, pitch, Let's oh my god.
<v Speaker 6>It we need to see you there. We know the
<v Speaker 6>the Lapse Fan solar system super strong in the Tri
<v Speaker 6>State area. We've done things before, like you know, a
<v Speaker 6>pilgrimage to see the Boss perform on the stage, and
<v Speaker 6>we've had wonderful turnout to the Madison Square Garden tour
<v Speaker 6>we did all those years ago for that wrestling area,
<v Speaker 6>and we're asking you to come out again to come
<v Speaker 6>to terms with why we are pro wrestling fans. It's
<v Speaker 6>the only elixir in that regard that you can get
<v Speaker 6>from a live podcast show perspective in the wrestling business.
<v Speaker 6>You want us live. You've got us live Sunday, August third, noontime,
<v Speaker 6>Comedy Village, Times Square. Get your tickets. Let us know
<v Speaker 6>at the lapsed fan at gmail dot com that you're
<v Speaker 6>going to be joining us, Send us proof of purchase
<v Speaker 6>and we'd love to give you a hearty thanks here
<v Speaker 6>on the airwaves. It came together late. It's a tight
<v Speaker 6>time frame.
<v Speaker 11>Ye.
<v Speaker 6>Summer Slam is something that I honestly don't know for sure.
<v Speaker 3>Boss.
<v Speaker 6>If people travel to I think they do. I know,
<v Speaker 6>crazy motherfuckers like Steven Jill travel to all the big shows.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I imagine they're trying to make it a
<v Speaker 3>travel thing with a two day fucking SUMUS law.
<v Speaker 6>Exactly in the first two night Summer Slam, the biggest
<v Speaker 6>party of the summer is not going to be at
<v Speaker 6>MetLife Stadium.
<v Speaker 3>Where's it going to be. It is the Comedy Village.
<v Speaker 3>Your damn again.
<v Speaker 6>When those tickets are available, get them as soon as
<v Speaker 6>you can. This is an intimate venue. From what I
<v Speaker 6>understand is there's not a ton of seats. This is like,
<v Speaker 6>you know, you're really hardcore comedy club kind of feeling
<v Speaker 6>to drink minimum thirty five dollars a pop. There's going
<v Speaker 6>to be food and drink, obviously, and it's going to
<v Speaker 6>be it's gonna be the only thing you remember about
<v Speaker 6>SummerSlam weekend, regardless of whether or not you're going to
<v Speaker 6>the matches. So review night one with us, preview night
<v Speaker 6>two with us, and join, of course, as you've come
<v Speaker 6>to expect the rogues gallery of all the lapsed characters
<v Speaker 6>for sureve and direct to your brains, to your ears,
<v Speaker 6>to your.
<v Speaker 9>Sunday, The Lapsed Fan takes on Times Square tickets at
<v Speaker 9>Comedy Village dot com. There goes the neighborhood, You fucking bitch.
<v Speaker 3>You're right in the middle of it all. That's really
<v Speaker 3>where we belong. I couldn't agree more events. And let
<v Speaker 3>me tell you, let me tell you all right on
<v Speaker 3>that Sunday, Times Square is gonna take it up the ass.
<v Speaker 6>You can go palm Sunday because we're gonna grab a handful. Damn,
<v Speaker 6>we're gonna grab a handful and we're gonna take what's ours.
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm.
<v Speaker 6>A Lapsed Fan live, I'm square. It's a very simple thing, folks.
<v Speaker 6>August third, noon only for the live audience. Too hot
<v Speaker 6>for the pod, too hot for the pod. Come one,
<v Speaker 6>come all, let us gather as a lapsed legion to
<v Speaker 6>suss out why it is we ended up in this situation.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe a.
<v Speaker 6>State of the WWE from the supposed ousted chairman. Huh Hey,
<v Speaker 6>you know, listen, they haven't heard him way in on
<v Speaker 6>current events since Philly. That's true, and there's a lot
<v Speaker 6>to talk about. Indeed, I remember everybody in the Philly
<v Speaker 6>show was minded towards the lawsuit and Janelle Grant, which
<v Speaker 6>was fair. Vince is up there saying, you don't understand
<v Speaker 6>hoothy rebels are firing on international cargo.
<v Speaker 3>In the straight and form moves in the red scene.
<v Speaker 6>You'd understand Ukrainian drones are are are being mobilized across
<v Speaker 6>across the Russian theater. You know, Israel is about to
<v Speaker 6>normalize diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia, which a lot of
<v Speaker 6>people have pointed to as one of the key reasons
<v Speaker 6>that the October fifth attacks were launched. I mean, folks,
<v Speaker 6>you need to know what's coming around the corner. And
<v Speaker 6>there's only one oracle in pro wrestling podcasting, and it's
<v Speaker 6>lapsed Vince. Yes, and he only brings out the heavy
<v Speaker 6>artillery among friends to be among friends when the lapsed
<v Speaker 6>fan goes live Sunday, August third, the Comedy Village, Times
<v Speaker 6>Square Comedy Village dot com for your tickets, Lapsfant at
<v Speaker 6>gmail dot com to let us know that you're going
<v Speaker 6>to be joining us. Let's show out and let's have
<v Speaker 6>some fun. Let's get hot this summer, boss, what do
<v Speaker 6>you say A hot lap summer?
<v Speaker 3>Did we not call it? Let's listen, it needs to happen.
<v Speaker 3>It's going to happen. It's what everyone deserves to have happened.
<v Speaker 6>Speaking of what everyone deserves, what a summer it's already being,
<v Speaker 6>not only just because it's Yes and Roland on so
<v Speaker 6>many fronts, but we've made July fourth a special one
<v Speaker 6>this year?
<v Speaker 3>Did we not?
<v Speaker 11>Oh?
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely?
<v Speaker 6>Under the cinemat for your Patreon dollar. The proof of
<v Speaker 6>concept just continues to to breach the levees of your
<v Speaker 6>expectations this time, this July fourth, this Independence Day.
<v Speaker 3>It's Jaws. You're damn fucking right. Jaws, one of the
<v Speaker 3>most important films ever made, one of the most timeless
<v Speaker 3>films ever made. With troubled background, just you know a
<v Speaker 3>movie that we yeah, a movie that you know as
<v Speaker 3>we as we as we talked about had to be
<v Speaker 3>made the way that it was, otherwise it probably would
<v Speaker 3>not be as an absolute monument to what we were
<v Speaker 3>just talking about. Having the wherewithal to adjust on the fly.
<v Speaker 3>As the story begins telling itself, yep, as the you know,
<v Speaker 3>as the characters begin telling you where the film should go,
<v Speaker 3>as circumstances, yep start to tell you where the film
<v Speaker 3>should go. Yeah, yeah, and it was it's it's it's
<v Speaker 3>just a wild ride. Uh and uh, you know, and
<v Speaker 3>there's and there's This is not a a loose connection.
<v Speaker 3>It's not an inspired connection. There is a wrestler in
<v Speaker 3>the goddamn movie. And we found him. We found him
<v Speaker 3>in the movie. We can see him. We know who
<v Speaker 3>it is. And uh yeah, if you don't know, well
<v Speaker 3>you better sign up on Patreon and get that ship
<v Speaker 3>for that ass. And that's a July fourth movie, Like
<v Speaker 3>you said, absolutely, it is a July fourth movie. I
<v Speaker 3>mean the whole the whole movie revolves around the Fourth
<v Speaker 3>of July holiday and the h and all the tourists
<v Speaker 3>coming in to uh to Amity Island and and hilariously enough,
<v Speaker 3>the fourth of July also was important in the making
<v Speaker 3>of the film, Like the actual Fourth of July, uh
<v Speaker 3>cause more problems for the film crew. So just a
<v Speaker 3>wild it's just a wild story with with so much
<v Speaker 3>like there's so much that happened. And again, I know,
<v Speaker 3>I know I knew quite a bit going in, but
<v Speaker 3>there was so much that happened that I had no
<v Speaker 3>clue about. So it's you know, we we got. I'll
<v Speaker 3>say this, I got. I I was able to find
<v Speaker 3>articles like news articles from the vineyard that with stories
<v Speaker 3>that didn't that don't really make it into the documentaries
<v Speaker 3>that we see, and that calls alone. Just try to
<v Speaker 3>find the extra local exactly the locals and stuff, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>you know there are. It's great, it's a lot of fun.
<v Speaker 3>We've we founded just a brilliant a bunch of brilliant
<v Speaker 3>uh uh cast of characters from from the Island.
<v Speaker 6>It's amazing. It's amazing. It checks every ut T box.
<v Speaker 6>It's truly befitting a UTC treatment.
<v Speaker 3>It is Jaws.
<v Speaker 6>It is our gift to you this Independence Day under
<v Speaker 6>the cinemat indeed for the executive producer Tier and above
<v Speaker 6>Patreon dot com slash the lapsed fan it's where you
<v Speaker 6>go to prove you deserve it, and we're glad to
<v Speaker 6>have your support via that critical vector. The only thing
<v Speaker 6>that allows, the only sort of infrastructure that allows the
<v Speaker 6>kind of hours that we have to put into this
<v Speaker 6>thing worth it because you say you vote with your dollar.
<v Speaker 6>You say, there you go, that's worthy. Keep doing it
<v Speaker 6>or you don't, and we pivot accordingly. You know, we
<v Speaker 6>do whatever we want, of course, but you get the point.
<v Speaker 6>It's a direct relationship we have. There's no middleman saying, well,
<v Speaker 6>that impression doesn't count. Well that's down from last quarter.
<v Speaker 6>Well fucking Amazon decided that they don't want to advertise
<v Speaker 6>on podcasts. Just please just get the fuck out of
<v Speaker 6>the way. This is about us and the fans. This
<v Speaker 6>is about us giving them what they need. This is
<v Speaker 6>about us telling them what they need and then giving
<v Speaker 6>it to them. That's right and under the seven. It's
<v Speaker 6>the perfect distillation of of of lapsed philosophy and Jaws
<v Speaker 6>is a huge addition to the canon coming off Once
<v Speaker 6>upon a Time in the West.
<v Speaker 3>And some of these giant movies. We're not just fucking
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's not like not just bringing up you know,
<v Speaker 3>w W Studios films are ure. If you want to
<v Speaker 3>rob your teeth, trust me, it's there. But I'll tell you,
<v Speaker 3>you know, the there are again, hundreds of movies, hundreds
<v Speaker 3>of movies, sometimes wrestlers you've never heard of before, wrestlers
<v Speaker 3>that time has forgotten. And and that's that's the blessing
<v Speaker 3>that to me is the blessing, not to not for them,
<v Speaker 3>it is for them too, but for me and for Jack,
<v Speaker 3>it's like watching like being able to rediscover people who
<v Speaker 3>time forgot, you know, and and didn't get the the
<v Speaker 3>uh maybe the recognition they deserved as a as a wrestler,
<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean, it's it's amazing. It's absolutely amazing
<v Speaker 3>what we've been able to find.
<v Speaker 6>You find these guys that people don't even know are
<v Speaker 6>in the movie, and then you look up their background
<v Speaker 6>and they're wrestling fucking Luthez and gorgeous George and they're yep,
<v Speaker 6>they're They're in all the newspapers and it's like, no
<v Speaker 6>one even remembers this guy as a wrestler, really, And
<v Speaker 6>that's what we're here to do. We're here to to
<v Speaker 6>make the unobserved observations here. We're here to say, Okay,
<v Speaker 6>this is the dark corner where we can be of value.
<v Speaker 6>Add this is the area where we can legitimately stand
<v Speaker 6>on business and say, because we did this, it is
<v Speaker 6>now known, it is now on the historical shelf, and
<v Speaker 6>had we not done it, it would remain unknown. That's
<v Speaker 6>a lot of a lot of what motivates us. That's
<v Speaker 6>a lot of how we put the capital to use
<v Speaker 6>that you put to your co chairman. We put a
<v Speaker 6>lot of it back in those cameos.
<v Speaker 3>Aren't free.
<v Speaker 6>That kind of the logistics of doing a live show.
<v Speaker 6>You know what, we need your support, trust me, because
<v Speaker 6>it very easily can be a non economical situation. We
<v Speaker 6>looked at Vegas and it's like, this can't possibly pencil.
<v Speaker 6>As happy as we'd be to see all of our
<v Speaker 6>fans out there, it's so much fucking money.
<v Speaker 3>It's so muchism.
<v Speaker 6>That's the primary thing you heard about WrestleMania this year
<v Speaker 6>is how doggedly expensive everything was for. Yeah, exactly, and
<v Speaker 6>they're going back. They don't give a fuck, they're going back. Okay,
<v Speaker 6>we're not going back, right, you get be at the
<v Speaker 6>Maybe the summer will start.
<v Speaker 3>To be the the vibe.
<v Speaker 6>Savage went back that afternoon, and we're not going back
<v Speaker 6>that afternoon exactly. And it's not, of course, just under
<v Speaker 6>the cinema. You know what you get for your Patreon dollar,
<v Speaker 6>especially going into one of the busiest summers we've seen
<v Speaker 6>in American pro wrestling, WW is amping it up so
<v Speaker 6>much with these premium live events, including of course Saturday
<v Speaker 6>Night's Made Event, which for some fucking reason we pledged
<v Speaker 6>to also do live calls on, thinking it was going
<v Speaker 6>to be like a nostalgic little quarterly taste, and then
<v Speaker 6>of course they start deploying it like a like a
<v Speaker 6>weapon to harm AW. Fuck, so we've got to be
<v Speaker 6>watching fucking snm E on the night of the big
<v Speaker 6>Orlelands Stadium show that AW is going to be doing.
<v Speaker 6>So that's coming your way. The Evolutional Women's pay per view,
<v Speaker 6>the second of its type they've ever done. It's coming
<v Speaker 6>your way all the you know, of course, Summer Slam,
<v Speaker 6>the two nights coming up at MetLife Stadium. It's just
<v Speaker 6>it's chocolate block full of stuff that you're going to
<v Speaker 6>need our live call on.
<v Speaker 3>You're not gonna want to watch this ship. You know what,
<v Speaker 3>we'll we'll do it. What we'll do, Yes, we'll do that.
<v Speaker 3>We'll suffer, We'll suffer, and we'll do it.
<v Speaker 8>You know.
<v Speaker 6>In the proportion that you would if you had the
<v Speaker 6>time and inclination. You know, we don't over or underdo it,
<v Speaker 6>but it's there for your Patreon dollar. And the proof
<v Speaker 6>of concept is there too. I mean that is just
<v Speaker 6>every time people act like that's not what we should
<v Speaker 6>be doing, we get all the evidence in the world
<v Speaker 6>that that is exactly what. A key part of what
<v Speaker 6>we should be doing is applying the lapsed lens to
<v Speaker 6>the modern WWE product, and we'll continue to do that
<v Speaker 6>fearlessly and at great personal sacrifice because they don't make
<v Speaker 6>it easy. This is going to be I think if
<v Speaker 6>you don't include the Two Night Manias, the first doubleheader
<v Speaker 6>weekend we've ever had to do, because they want to
<v Speaker 6>do Saturday Night's Made Event on Saturday and they want to.
<v Speaker 3>Do Evolution on Sunday.
<v Speaker 6>I know, why don't we throw in Great American Bash
<v Speaker 6>from n XT too, which they're also doing that weekend.
<v Speaker 3>But just right, and why don't we Why don't we
<v Speaker 3>look at look at the calendar and look at like
<v Speaker 3>like what online and see who's doing a show those
<v Speaker 3>nights and we'll just cover up. Let's do the aw show,
<v Speaker 3>I dare you, But no, let's find some fucking indie
<v Speaker 3>promotion that's doing a random show. Let's just go there,
<v Speaker 3>all right, Yankee pro is doing a show that night, right,
<v Speaker 3>let's do that.
<v Speaker 6>Aw is going to go back to London, is what
<v Speaker 6>Tony Khan said. So this shift from London to Texas
<v Speaker 6>this year isn't a permanent retrenchment from from London.
<v Speaker 3>Listen, does that make my weekend easier?
<v Speaker 8>No?
<v Speaker 3>I don't fucking care, Tony Kahan.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, we have so much restling going on right now,
<v Speaker 6>it's so disparaiting. Like when the people who like we
<v Speaker 6>actually can like call it their job to keep up
<v Speaker 6>with wrestling, complain that there's too much. Like you gotta
<v Speaker 6>picture that the fan that you think you're catering to
<v Speaker 6>and that can handle all this content and it is
<v Speaker 6>that is not someone you're gonna make a lot of
<v Speaker 6>money off of. Okay, because they can't do anything besides
<v Speaker 6>want wrestling. There's no I'm doing anything else.
<v Speaker 3>They can't earn money.
<v Speaker 6>But they're right, I guess not. I mean, but they still, man,
<v Speaker 6>they still sell out, They still you know. So it's
<v Speaker 6>it's it's a it's a brave new world and we're
<v Speaker 6>helping you navigate it as lapsed fans, as people who
<v Speaker 6>who know you can't divorce yourself from professional wrestling. That
<v Speaker 6>that cake is baked, ye, So that that, granted, is
<v Speaker 6>the premise. We're here to help you through. We're here
<v Speaker 6>to help you through, and patreon dot com slash the
<v Speaker 6>laps Fan is the vessel to do that. Of course,
<v Speaker 6>you also get add free versions of this podcast for
<v Speaker 6>your Patreon dollar. You often get part twos a day
<v Speaker 6>early as well for your Patreon dollar. And of course
<v Speaker 6>if you're of the really thick veined type, oh you're
<v Speaker 6>a demote tier, which is our tip top tier for
<v Speaker 6>the rider dies and those folks get exclusive access to
<v Speaker 6>Mama Sorrow and Wrestle Mommy as the boss Man takes
<v Speaker 6>it back to the living room carpet of his youth. Well,
<v Speaker 6>as he's talked about, he didn't necessarily watch wrestling on
<v Speaker 6>the living room carpet, but you get the idea with
<v Speaker 6>mom making.
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes I did. Sometimes there were definitely sometimes they did
<v Speaker 3>making comments in the back room. You're damn right and uh.
<v Speaker 3>The most recent episode of Wrestle Mamia featured the Monday
<v Speaker 3>night raw matchup of Diesel and the British Bulldog versus
<v Speaker 3>men on a mission, oh anywhere around yeah, around around
<v Speaker 3>Summer Slam ninety five when the Bulldog turned on Big
<v Speaker 3>Daddy Cool and uh yeah, so we watch all sorts
<v Speaker 3>of shit on that. Yeah, and I imagine because before that,
<v Speaker 3>because it's before that, you know what we watched. We
<v Speaker 3>watched a Cactus Jack versus Triple H the Helena.
<v Speaker 6>So got to hear Mama Souro's reaction to that. Inhumanity,
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, oh yeah, it could be death. It could
<v Speaker 6>it could be Death's like the ultimate. They could die.
<v Speaker 6>Oh that's so much, so true. Then in the room,
<v Speaker 6>I've done a couple of these. Let me tell you
<v Speaker 6>something specials happening there. There's something special being captured on
<v Speaker 6>audio that a lot of people, uh that are wrestling
<v Speaker 6>fans wish they had audio recording stuff thinking back on.
<v Speaker 3>It, you know what I mean. And I'm just gonna
<v Speaker 3>say this, Just wait for the first week of November,
<v Speaker 3>right the first money November. They're already thinking that far ahead.
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking that far an amazing focus. There's something, there's
<v Speaker 3>something to get on the train.
<v Speaker 6>Or not is guaranteed fucking quality shit? Yep, the fuck
<v Speaker 6>are you waiting for? Maybe they're waiting, I don't know.
<v Speaker 9>Or August Oh, Sunday, August third, at noon, the lapsed
<v Speaker 9>Fan takes on Times Square tickets at Comedy village dot com.
<v Speaker 9>There goes the neighborhood, You fucking bitch.
<v Speaker 3>Let's get it. The fucking bitch is great, let's get it.
<v Speaker 3>There goes the neighborhood, You fucking bitch. We're moving units
<v Speaker 3>in quick now.
<v Speaker 6>Who else is Randy Savage featured feuding with on this tape?
<v Speaker 3>Of course?
<v Speaker 6>Who else but George the Animal Steel talking about the
<v Speaker 6>first two years of Randy Savage's WWF run. Is this
<v Speaker 6>tape seems to focus on You're talking Hulk Hogan, Tito Santana,
<v Speaker 6>and George Steel. Included on the tape is this match
<v Speaker 6>against George the Animal Steel on an episode of Saturday
<v Speaker 6>Night's Main Event, which took place in Tampa. Of course,
<v Speaker 6>George the Animal Steel starts to warm up to and
<v Speaker 6>make romantic gestures toward Elizabeth, and that sends Randy Savage
<v Speaker 6>completely off the handle, and we end up with a
<v Speaker 6>pretty money dynamic between the two, and it threads into
<v Speaker 6>the wrestleming I three match with Steamboat with George Steele
<v Speaker 6>in the corner playing a role there.
<v Speaker 3>So well there's that, but also Wrestlmingia too, hey glide.
<v Speaker 6>Yeahah, it just goes keeps going that It even reverberates
<v Speaker 6>in the classic match there as well, So it really
<v Speaker 6>becomes a defining feud, not necessarily by design of Randy
<v Speaker 6>Savage's early WWF careers. We are about to learn one
<v Speaker 6>little trip. You note that I did not know until
<v Speaker 6>I prepared for this episode, and I don't know if
<v Speaker 6>you looked closely enough. Randy Savage versus George Steele takes
<v Speaker 6>place in Tampa. They show it on the tape in
<v Speaker 6>Saturday Night's main event.
<v Speaker 3>Who was the ref?
<v Speaker 8>Oh?
<v Speaker 3>I only learned about this by accident. Uh Dean Malaana
<v Speaker 3>believe it deed, Malayne. Funny cause actually I was thinking
<v Speaker 3>to myself, I was like, wait a minute, that Josh Brol,
<v Speaker 3>But well.
<v Speaker 6>You're probably doing death to all what reps are dead?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Right? Well yeah, I was trying, couldn't. I didn't
<v Speaker 3>know any of these refs. I couldn't find names for that.
<v Speaker 6>There are a lot of they're still doing those regional shows.
<v Speaker 6>Were like, you know, it's a ref that's only in Boston.
<v Speaker 6>Or a ref that's only in Philly, right, It can
<v Speaker 6>be hard to identify sometimes, but this is the Saturday
<v Speaker 6>Nights main event from December nineteenth, nineteen eighty five the
<v Speaker 6>sun Dome, which was shown on General fourth of nineteen
<v Speaker 6>eighty six and was really high profile match for Randy
<v Speaker 6>Savage and of course for George Steele as well. Same
<v Speaker 6>card where Hulk Cogan works. Terry Funk speaking of the Funker, right,
<v Speaker 6>watch that one during the UH during the lapsed Funk
<v Speaker 6>of course. Yeah, looking at Terry's contributions to the Rock
<v Speaker 6>and Wrestling, And here George the Animal Steel, in a
<v Speaker 6>conversation with Sean Oliver at KFABE Commentaries, just talks about,
<v Speaker 6>you know, the broad sweeps of working with Randy Savage
<v Speaker 6>and the WWF and of course how that paranoid came through,
<v Speaker 6>but also how Randy Savage was paranoid not just about Elizabeth,
<v Speaker 6>but about how his matches would play out. As much
<v Speaker 6>as we'd make fun of wrestlers these days for trying
<v Speaker 6>to follow a prescribed series of moves and trying to
<v Speaker 6>script their matches out and overly choreograph their stuff ahead
<v Speaker 6>of time, you can't be that mad and still be
<v Speaker 6>a Randy Savage fan because that was his thing. As
<v Speaker 6>George Steele explains here.
<v Speaker 4>Then we do a story night main event where it
<v Speaker 4>really started. But I knew Randy's a little boy. I
<v Speaker 4>knew his dad. He worked with his dad in Detroit
<v Speaker 4>brother the way back when, so I've known him a
<v Speaker 4>long time. I have a lot of respect for Randy.
<v Speaker 4>First of all, he's got a tremendous work ethic. He
<v Speaker 4>works hard. The world was changing. I called it as
<v Speaker 4>a ring terms, and the business is becoming very different.
<v Speaker 4>And I'm old school. I mean, we never I never
<v Speaker 4>knew what I was going to do in the ring
<v Speaker 4>till I did it, which I think is the best
<v Speaker 4>way to work back then. And Randy was coming in
<v Speaker 4>this where you do a lot of talking in the
<v Speaker 4>locker room, and he had everything pretty much laid out
<v Speaker 4>before you went to the match. Go to step eight,
<v Speaker 4>said be to step three. That's not me at all.
<v Speaker 4>So we've had trouble waters coming. You can see it coming.
<v Speaker 4>And we get to Tampa for the Saturday Night Man
<v Speaker 4>Event show, and that's probably the following week or so.
<v Speaker 4>He comes in. He's got this list, like you got here.
<v Speaker 4>I want to throw him like he would like I did,
<v Speaker 4>But he said, he's give me this year. He's got
<v Speaker 4>the match written out. I looked at it, and I
<v Speaker 4>take the first one.
<v Speaker 3>It's on a.
<v Speaker 4>Wired notebook.
<v Speaker 3>I rip it off and I rip it.
<v Speaker 4>Up my throat in the garbage.
<v Speaker 3>It's a good Jesus.
<v Speaker 4>Took the second one, third, fourth, fifth one. Finally he said,
<v Speaker 4>I said, uh, just listen to me, kid, we'll have
<v Speaker 4>a good match. And he was like, and these were
<v Speaker 4>all spots. Well, there's a whole match, not just it's
<v Speaker 4>old damn match. We're gonna walk through this thing like
<v Speaker 4>a dance, which I couldn't do anyhow. I'm not that smart,
<v Speaker 4>and I couldn't memorize it, and I didn't have a clue.
<v Speaker 4>So that wasn't gonna happen. And so the next year
<v Speaker 4>and a half just about we worked almost almost every night,
<v Speaker 4>and uh, there was always a little bit of a feud.
<v Speaker 4>And on top of that, he was very jealous. So
<v Speaker 4>and there was a guy that nobody remembers. I'm sure
<v Speaker 4>it's called the Junkyard Dog. He's my tag team partner
<v Speaker 4>very often and he loved to rib also, and so
<v Speaker 4>do I and Randy would be so uptight, and h
<v Speaker 4>J y D would throw the little barbs at him
<v Speaker 4>and just you know, tease him a little bit. And
<v Speaker 4>I would always just before I go to the ring,
<v Speaker 4>he would be so uptight because we'd always be doing
<v Speaker 4>something with Elizabeth. That's my wife, you gotta and I'd say, hey,
<v Speaker 4>I got a daughter, I got a daughter older than her.
<v Speaker 4>Relax just as I'd leave, as if who I've had
<v Speaker 4>some tough some of these young brods around here and leave.
<v Speaker 4>And he was like God, so I had him right
<v Speaker 4>where I wanted it. When he come to the ring
<v Speaker 4>fired up, fired, I mean really fired up. So there
<v Speaker 4>was so he even had legit jealousy with the old man,
<v Speaker 4>the good looking old man. Well, unbelievable what I mean
<v Speaker 4>from that, No I am.
<v Speaker 13>I meant with somebody who's going to work so closely
<v Speaker 13>with Oh, absolutely so long. This isn't some young stud
<v Speaker 13>walking into the company. It's a guy he knows for years.
<v Speaker 4>He loved his wife. He truly loved his wife. And
<v Speaker 4>I think with the biggest mistake that a lot of
<v Speaker 4>guys made in the eighties was they brought their rise
<v Speaker 4>into the business, not a good idea, not a good
<v Speaker 4>idea and most of those ended up in a disaster
<v Speaker 4>later on because the wife now become part of the work.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, come on, yes, but she was.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, Elizabeth was down, down for anything you wanted
<v Speaker 4>to do. Here's what would happens standing up like this here,
<v Speaker 4>I be there, we're talking. He would get between us.
<v Speaker 4>He was push her out of the way. Ye in
<v Speaker 4>the locker room. Yeah, he just didn't mo anybody. He
<v Speaker 4>was conquering.
<v Speaker 3>Type thing, which made it easy to work with.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, stop think about it, because it was a real jealousy.
<v Speaker 6>Yep, real jealousy making for a good television at the
<v Speaker 6>time for Ready Savage of course, of course, Yeah, being
<v Speaker 6>hyper prescriptive about the match, being like all you know,
<v Speaker 6>weird and detail oriented around that stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Of course.
<v Speaker 6>That's why the Ready the Ricky Steamboat match is so
<v Speaker 6>far celebrated far and wide is because he found an
<v Speaker 6>opponent and a dance partner who was more than willing
<v Speaker 6>to go down that road with him and follow the
<v Speaker 6>script of the match and follow the move by move.
<v Speaker 6>That's the ultimate irony of complaining about that is the
<v Speaker 6>matches tend to be pretty damn good when you follow,
<v Speaker 6>if you know how to draw it up ahead of
<v Speaker 6>time in a way that you know gets the peaks
<v Speaker 6>and valleys right.
<v Speaker 3>You know, there's no.
<v Speaker 6>Reason that if you can go in the wor and
<v Speaker 6>read the crowd and do it well, that you can't
<v Speaker 6>reasonably predict the crowd ahead of time when you script
<v Speaker 6>it on paper. Not everybody can do that, and you
<v Speaker 6>know their the skill is being able to pivot if
<v Speaker 6>something that you imagine working on paper not working, but
<v Speaker 6>it is. George Steele was honest there. It's just because
<v Speaker 6>these these old farts didn't have any confidence that they
<v Speaker 6>could remember spots. That's really why they boopooed the idea,
<v Speaker 6>because they didn't want to try to exercise that part
<v Speaker 6>of their brains to remember anything. Because they had made
<v Speaker 6>right plenty of they made a good living in the
<v Speaker 6>business for twenty years and the never having to bother
<v Speaker 6>with that. And if there's one thing we know about
<v Speaker 6>the old timers is the whole gimmick to them is
<v Speaker 6>how can we do the least amount possible for the
<v Speaker 6>most amount of money, you know, of course, to extend
<v Speaker 6>their longevity, to extend their marketability across different territories. And
<v Speaker 6>the mentality that ensconced in the wrestlers. So that's George Steele, who,
<v Speaker 6>by the way, who would imagine that George Steele's voice
<v Speaker 6>sounded like that?
<v Speaker 3>Very it's not okay, Jim Myers from Detroit, It's really
<v Speaker 3>it's not okay. I mean tools law, Oh that's what
<v Speaker 3>I need. I'm not okay with I'm not okay with
<v Speaker 3>that voice. It really he should I mean he's dead now,
<v Speaker 3>but he shouldn't. He should never have spoken again.
<v Speaker 6>Any kind of softballs at a little bit when talking
<v Speaker 6>about Junkyard Dog quote unquote teasing Elizabeth or Randy teasing
<v Speaker 6>Randy through Elizabeth. But he gets a little more detailed
<v Speaker 6>in his book, does George Steele. He writes, once we
<v Speaker 6>were wrestling at Joe Lewis Arena and Detroit, Randy beat
<v Speaker 6>me viaccount out when he hit me with the lifeguard chair.
<v Speaker 6>That's where Elizabeth had been sitting. The pre match stipulation
<v Speaker 6>was that the winner would walk away with Elizabeth as
<v Speaker 6>his manager. After I'd lost the match, I hugged a
<v Speaker 6>poster of Elizabeth in the middle of the ring. Prior
<v Speaker 6>to the match, the Junkyard Dog had been ribbing Randy.
<v Speaker 6>He said that when Elizabeth was sitting on the lifeguard chair.
<v Speaker 6>What huh, I would be looking right up Elizabeth's dress
<v Speaker 6>whenever he gets ride back. You damn right, idea is
<v Speaker 6>telling Randy that, I don't know if you saw that
<v Speaker 6>out there, brother, but George was looking up Liz's dress
<v Speaker 6>whenever he was anywhere near that lifeguard chair. Everybody had
<v Speaker 6>a good laugh, George Steele writes, everybody but Randy.
<v Speaker 3>That is, of course.
<v Speaker 6>Honestly, Randy was the most jealous man I had ever met,
<v Speaker 6>and it created a real problem. Was his love for
<v Speaker 6>Elizabeth as strongest his love for money. Our whole shtick
<v Speaker 6>was built around me being smitten over Miss Elizabeth and
<v Speaker 6>Randy being jealous. I had to keep reminding Randy that
<v Speaker 6>not only was I married, but I had a daughter
<v Speaker 6>who was older than Miss Elizabeth. One night, I put
<v Speaker 6>her over my shoulder and ran out of the air.
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't I'm sorry, George, but that doesn't stop a
<v Speaker 3>lot of guys, especially wrestlers, right.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, to your point, George, wrestlers marriage is half
<v Speaker 6>the time were k fabe. You know, let alone, it's
<v Speaker 6>not going to give a Randy Savage any comfort. You
<v Speaker 6>know that that that to him, probably just smacks of
<v Speaker 6>like a cover story, you know, more than anything, What
<v Speaker 6>do you keep saying that?
<v Speaker 3>Dude? I keep seeing their brother one night you what
<v Speaker 3>are you doing with that? What do you understand what
<v Speaker 3>you're doing? Keep telling wife and you're talking about somebody
<v Speaker 3>being a daughter and you're fucking your daughter. What's up
<v Speaker 3>with that? Steal? Are you trying to fuck my wife
<v Speaker 3>with your daughter? That's the question.
<v Speaker 6>One night, George writes, I put her over my shoulder
<v Speaker 6>and ran out of the arena with the We're all
<v Speaker 6>back in the locker room. Randy started shouting, what are
<v Speaker 6>they going to think that George is doing to my wife?
<v Speaker 3>Think about that.
<v Speaker 6>Randy is seeing that scene and thinking, what are the
<v Speaker 6>people at home thinking George Steele is doing with Elizabeth
<v Speaker 6>when he gets through the curtain. And you know, it's
<v Speaker 6>a fair question. I think we should take it to Vince. Vince,
<v Speaker 6>what what do you think the fan is going to
<v Speaker 6>be thinking? What are you designing this to have the fan?
<v Speaker 3>I believe. I believe that fans have their abilities to,
<v Speaker 3>you know, use their imagination to create stories and tell stories,
<v Speaker 3>and then in future moments they can share the stories
<v Speaker 3>with other individuals and prescribe it a theatrical thesis that
<v Speaker 3>therefore describes the the individual in regards to the moments
<v Speaker 3>that happen on television that make them smile.
<v Speaker 6>And we're both men here. Can I tap your your
<v Speaker 6>demand's side instead of the corporate side for a second.
<v Speaker 6>What do you think the fans? What do you hope
<v Speaker 6>the fans think happens to Elizabeth when George takes her
<v Speaker 6>through the curtain.
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I f I'm being completely honest. I
<v Speaker 3>want them to think that George Steele is fucking Elizabeth
<v Speaker 3>hard with his hairy animal cock. I want people to
<v Speaker 3>imagine that when George's animal steel pulls his pants down,
<v Speaker 3>there's a furry member right there, rock hard and entering Elizabeth.
<v Speaker 3>That's what I hope they think. That's what I've trained
<v Speaker 3>them to. Certainly, what I'm thinking about. That's what I
<v Speaker 3>guarantee they think, is that.
<v Speaker 6>Not two sides of the coin right there, of lapsed Vince.
<v Speaker 6>He went from well all least tell stories and to
<v Speaker 6>the real fucking in amounto logue, the real.
<v Speaker 3>Fucking that's that's uh, that's yeah, that's corpor Vince, and
<v Speaker 3>then that's Janelle Vince right there, both of whom will
<v Speaker 3>be in attendance Sunday, August third, at noon.
<v Speaker 9>The lapsed fan takes on Times Square tickets at Comedy
<v Speaker 9>Village dot com. There goes the neighborhood, you fucking bitch.
<v Speaker 9>Comedy Village dot com. There goes the neighborhood, you fucking bitch.
<v Speaker 9>Was the neighborhood, you fucking bitch. Fucking bitch, bitch.
<v Speaker 3>And they're all.
<v Speaker 6>Another night in Detroit, George writes, Vince asked me to
<v Speaker 6>grab miss Elizabeth by the ankle. You guessed it, Randy
<v Speaker 6>went r P. McMurphy crazy. We were not flying over
<v Speaker 6>the cuckoo's nest, we were living.
<v Speaker 3>In it, right, Well, Randy, all right, right, you nor
<v Speaker 3>one grabbed the ankle? Fine, well how about this. Let
<v Speaker 3>me know what you feel about this. All right, I'm listening,
<v Speaker 3>I'm loosening. I'm not gonna like it, but I'm listening.
<v Speaker 3>How about instead of grabbing her ankle, he grabs Elizabeth's tit.
<v Speaker 3>What do you mean by tit? What are you talking
<v Speaker 3>about with tit? What do you mean? Elaborate? Vince McMahon,
<v Speaker 3>because I'm trying to I'm trying to hear you out
<v Speaker 3>right now. But I'm I'm telling you right now that
<v Speaker 3>if you're saying what I think you're seeing, I'm not
<v Speaker 3>liking it very much. Kind of begun. I'm the counter
<v Speaker 3>lucib but you shit the fuck down right now because
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to figure out what's going on. Vincc man
<v Speaker 3>and someone touching your what do you mean by sir?
<v Speaker 3>Tell me about tits? There's the lambs? Go ahead, please, well, Randy,
<v Speaker 3>Randon's we're talking about memory lambs, the memory lambs on
<v Speaker 3>your wife. And everyone wants to touch wife, all right.
<v Speaker 3>People want to see someone grab her man read lambs.
<v Speaker 3>And if it's not going to be George Deeele, it
<v Speaker 3>might as well be me.
<v Speaker 6>Let me, let me, let me set the stage for you, pal,
<v Speaker 6>all right, this is how I think of our ww
<v Speaker 6>fans looking at.
<v Speaker 3>Listen, listen, listen to me a favorite come over? Ye
<v Speaker 3>please lie on the table? Please you see this? What
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna do Randy? Right now? Oh? No, is I
<v Speaker 3>am going to fornicate with your will?
<v Speaker 6>I answer a question before we go any further down
<v Speaker 6>this road, Randy, let me ask you a question. Who
<v Speaker 6>signs the checks?
<v Speaker 8>Pal?
<v Speaker 3>Say it? Let me ask you this, whose name is
<v Speaker 3>on that check? What check? The check you get from me?
<v Speaker 4>Is it nice?
<v Speaker 3>Looking for check?
<v Speaker 8>Late?
<v Speaker 3>Right in here? And now he's like, where where is it?
<v Speaker 3>I signed your checks? All right? Everything? Everything you have
<v Speaker 3>in nick man, everything you have. The reason you have,
<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth is because of me. I gave you Elizabeth. You understand.
<v Speaker 3>That's the way it happened. Now your set down. I
<v Speaker 3>gave you Elizabeth, and now you're gonna give me Elizabeth.
<v Speaker 3>I gave you Liz. You're gonna get me Liz. And
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna get me some Liz. Whether you like it
<v Speaker 3>or not. Belle, I don't mind you going crazy right
<v Speaker 3>now while I'm doing things. That's the way we do
<v Speaker 3>things in New York.
<v Speaker 9>Belly Sunday, August third, at noon, The last takes some
<v Speaker 9>times Square tickets at Comedy Village dot com. There goes
<v Speaker 9>the neighborhood, you fucking bitch.
<v Speaker 3>You were right in the middle of it all. That's
<v Speaker 3>really where we belong. That's how we do it.
<v Speaker 7>That's where we are along the insecurity and that answer
<v Speaker 7>is just off the shots.
<v Speaker 3>It's so awful. I feel bad. I apologize, Elizabeth. God
<v Speaker 3>rest your soul, please, I apologize. It's so brutal. It's
<v Speaker 3>so brutal to think that she's being that that's that. No,
<v Speaker 3>there's no choice. She has to go from the chair
<v Speaker 3>to the table, and she does it, and she tries
<v Speaker 3>to move, and he and Vince yells at her and
<v Speaker 3>she remains. It's just awful. I hate it.
<v Speaker 6>I hate that it is not completely outside the realm
<v Speaker 6>of possibility.
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing. It's awful.
<v Speaker 6>We used to be able to just that's fan it. Clearly,
<v Speaker 6>that's fantasy. Clearly we're exaggerating for comedic effect. And then
<v Speaker 6>real life kind of tells us that now you're actually
<v Speaker 6>closer to the sun than you guys realize. But as
<v Speaker 6>George Steele concludes, you guessed it. Randy went our P
<v Speaker 6>McMurphy crazy. We were not flying over the Cuckoo's Nest.
<v Speaker 6>We were living in it every night. It was something different.
<v Speaker 6>Randy's jealousy was driving him crazy. There were times when
<v Speaker 6>he would lock her in the dressing room. Randy was
<v Speaker 6>always Randy was always screaming, a't somebody with that?
<v Speaker 7>Boss.
<v Speaker 6>We turn to a somber part of our coverage of
<v Speaker 6>the Colosseum collection, Macho Man Ready, Savage and Elizabeth.
<v Speaker 3>It is indeed the tapes death Toll. Indeed, where's my
<v Speaker 3>pages here? I do have one? This time I didn't
<v Speaker 3>forget it. I was taking a risk. I was taking
<v Speaker 3>a risk there pitching to it without having checked before him.
<v Speaker 3>I know I've never forgotten it before. Last time it
<v Speaker 3>was the first time ever. Gene Oakerland, we have on
<v Speaker 3>adn't count though, one, two, three, failing old yet failing
<v Speaker 3>old eighteen eighteen Gene Oakland, Rustin's Brooks, Howard Finkel, George Steele, Vote,
<v Speaker 3>Alfred Hayes, Lamon's pofo. He's there. Don't forget that. He's
<v Speaker 3>a corporal Kershner, the iron Chic, nikola I Volkoff, Les Thornton,
<v Speaker 3>Barry oh King Kong, Abundance, Jim Knightheart Ernant's lad because
<v Speaker 3>he's on commentary fun serious right now? Abundance like abundance?
<v Speaker 3>Did I? Adriana Donnas? So many bernightly deaths too? One year?
<v Speaker 3>San Martino so many untimed I mean, oh yes, as
<v Speaker 3>well as Berno, San Martino, Elizabeth and the macho man
<v Speaker 3>Randy Savage. There's probably twenty actually twenty nine eighteen twenty
<v Speaker 3>twenty dead. Huh, I tell you about what's the problem
<v Speaker 3>with that? What's wrong with that? Many people being dead
<v Speaker 3>from your youth on TV.
<v Speaker 6>People that were portrayed as timeless, immortal superheroes, comic book
<v Speaker 6>heroes sitting there watching they are eighty eight or whatever.
<v Speaker 6>And I don't know if you if you asked me,
<v Speaker 6>do you think she'd still be with us in twenty
<v Speaker 6>twenty five? It's I sure, hope. So I mean she
<v Speaker 6>looks yeah, of course she's going to live forever to me.
<v Speaker 6>Not not not when the wrestling business gets done with you.
<v Speaker 3>Not not at all. Not when you're living with Lex Luger.
<v Speaker 3>Not to say it's his fault, but she wasn't living.
<v Speaker 6>With Yeah, you stated a fact. Yeah, when you know
<v Speaker 6>your your ticker is about to absolutely explode because of
<v Speaker 6>what you had to do to be the man, your
<v Speaker 6>car crashes in a tree. You we never see you again.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, awful. All right, that's what the business does.
<v Speaker 3>Don't forget. Don't forget. It's a sickness. Okay, don't forget
<v Speaker 3>it's a sickness.
<v Speaker 6>And with that, the Colosseum collection resumes. On the other
<v Speaker 6>side of this break, the deep dive into those crates.
<v Speaker 6>Ladies and gentlemen, we've damn around the crates and we're
<v Speaker 6>digging in them. On the other side of the break,
<v Speaker 6>it's the macho man. Ready, Savage and Miss Elizabeth, the
<v Speaker 6>WWB home Video release the latest installment of the Colosseum collection.
<v Speaker 6>On that deep dive, tip is yours on the other
<v Speaker 6>side of this break,