The Real House-LIES of Orange County: Recap with Alexis Bellino

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: Hey, rain drops.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode Reality with the King, we have to talk about the latest episode of the Real Housewives of Orange County. But look, I feel like because her name keeps getting mentioned, I might as well break her back to another recap because I feel like she's the elephant in the room. Not calling her an animo, but listen, it's a Metaphor give it up for my friend, the beautiful the woman. Listen, what's the name of that restaurant that is popular the OC Is it the woman in the Room or something?

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Speaker 2: I'll ask me she hops on.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, give it up for my friend, the one that keeps getting talked about.

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Speaker 2: She might as well defend herself. Alexis Ballino.

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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Alexus, How are you guy? How are you good? What's the name that I resta around the o C that everyone goes to. Is it the Woman in the Room or something like that?

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Speaker 3: I hate Carlos.

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Speaker 4: I met John there. It's called the Quiet Woman. The Quiet Woman. She's headless. It's it's a nun fact. You have to know these things about me, You know that.

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Speaker 2: I know the look.

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Speaker 1: I recapped so many Bravo shows and reality shows that the name sometimes splits my brain.

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Speaker 2: But baby, you're not slipping anyone's brains.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into the latest episode of the Real housewatch of Orange count Look, let's just get right into it. This episode continued where Shannon is confronting Katie about her being illegally recorded, and she's very upset about it.

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Speaker 2: One thing I thought that was interesting is this, obviously.

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Speaker 1: The recording was audio, and you clear that up on this very podcast, thank you very much. But Katie is mad at Tamara, and so it's jin because they feel like it's Tamara's fault that all of this is happening, because she's the one who told Gina I'm confused and I want to get her thoughts on Miss Alexis, I feel like this love Tamar, hate her.

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Speaker 2: She's great television.

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Speaker 1: However, I still blame Katie for doing the action. Now, should Tamar have kept her mouth shut? Look in a life that isn't a sort of like reality show about the subverb area of OC. Sure, but Tamra is a gossiper. It sas everybody in that town. So I feel like Tama was being Tamra. I don't understand why everyone's blaming Tamar for repeating, not even repeating, for telling Gina what happened when.

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Speaker 2: Katie is the one who did the actual action. What are your thoughts on that, Alexis.

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Speaker 4: Well, I definitely think that in a world where you're not felding a reality show, it probably would not have gotten brought up. Maybe you would have, But we are gossipers around here in the ESCA. It seems like and it's such a small world, but it is. It's Katie's actions, but it's also Shannon's acton Shannon's the one that was doing the ridiculous for heavire, Katie was. I don't think Katie, to be honest, I don't think Katie was being malicious at all. I don't think she was recording this thinking I'm I'm recording Shannon because I want to be evil. I think she literally because I was friends with her at the time. Obviously this has changed now, but she literally told me. And the reason she was upseted because she was on a business call with her husband. She wanted to be able to say, guy, this is why to jump off, and so she said it to her husband, not in an mosious way, and it just happened to you know, get out into the world. But yeah, those are my thoughts. I don't think Tamia should have done anything to the group, though I don't. Uh, who knows if it wouldn't have come out in another way. You know, Katie didn't share it with other people. She did, She did share it with other people.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean listened, she did.

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Speaker 1: And look, when it comes to Katie, Alexis, I gotta be honest with you. I've tried so hard to find a deeming quality about Katie.

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Speaker 2: It's hard. Like after you eat a red velvet cake and you're trying to put in your skinny Jee's, you're.

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Speaker 1: Just like strugg league to like fasten the button and everything else. That's how hard it is for me. It's it's voice to men. It's hard to say goodbye Hard. It's Rihanna's album Hard featuring g Z.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you are doing a lot of good Metaphods today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I had a cup of Joe.

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Speaker 1: Well, but you did say to me the last time he spoke like, no, Carlos, Katie's a good girl, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I trust my friend Alexis Billino. But Alexa is like, what is it about Katie that's a truth syrup. I think she's a lie. You lie your pants on fire.

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Speaker 3: It's the wrong day to talk to me about Katie.

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Speaker 4: After last night's stent on and watch what happened li where she's now is calling me a liar and saying I didn't hear the voice memo. Why am I gonna lie about that? And why is she lying about that? Like if that is there's no benefit. Everyone knows there's a voice memo. Why are you gonna lie and say you didn't share it with people that you did share it with.

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Speaker 3: It's just this, this line makes no sense. I get this.

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Speaker 4: She's trying to cover her bum and other live this one to me is just a ridiculous one. And I would have defended her like I did last you know, last time week we spoke on your show, on your podcast, I was like, she's a sweet girl. I don't I don't see what all the other girls see this and that I can't say that now Now she's burnt my birds too for no reason.

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Speaker 3: So I it's a wrong day, Carlos.

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Speaker 4: I want to be she's funny. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say she's not funny. She's funny and witty and and I just think she has a really really bad relationship with the truth.

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Speaker 3: Now I have to Okay, then the other girls.

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Speaker 1: So uh, I'm sorry, guys, that's me gagging and I'm literally wiping the saliva from my cheeny chin chin.

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Speaker 2: So wait a second, Okay, so watch what Happens Live.

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Speaker 1: You're saying that Katie said that you're lying about receiving the audio, that she never sent it to.

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Speaker 4: You, Andy Cohen asked her last night. Okay, so this is hours later that I'm still steaming from being paul a liar basically, and you can call me a lot of things, Carlos. Okay, I'm I'm John's defense team. I'm dippy sometimes on camera, I'm you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I I eat weird, I talk weird. Whatever you can say, any of those.

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Speaker 4: Things, you will get through this life. Calling me a liar because I don't lie. Okay, it's the one thing I can have going for me here anyway.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Andy.

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Speaker 4: Cohen asks her, did you I'm confused, who all did you share it with?

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Speaker 3: And share with Alexis?

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Speaker 4: And Katie goes only so and so and points to some guy in the audience, and I'm sitting there with my mouth dropped open, and I'm like, first of all.

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Speaker 3: I heard the recording. Okay.

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Speaker 4: We were sitting at a restaurant solo Babe, right across the street from my house. I can remember where we were seated because the table next to us had some Bernette women there, and I was like, Oh, this is juicy stuff for them. I hope they're not. And I'm like, you know, listening, so I have re turn it down. My name's being mentioned every other F bomb because Shannon's upset and yelling at an Executi Bravo that you should not be yelling at like you don't yell at Bravo executives.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and so I'm my mouth's wide open.

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Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh, for the Alexis is here, doesn't me mental health? How dare you know this? And that that's the recording? I heard the recording. Okay, So I don't know why anyone would want to lie about it and just own it.

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Speaker 3: You already owned it and said you have it, So why are you going to try to say you only.

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Speaker 4: Share it with your oh sorry, your makeup artist or whatever whoever she said in the audience.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there's the tea. You wanted, the tea, you got the tea.

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Speaker 4: Carlos, I'm going into witness protection program.

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Speaker 2: Once again. Listen, listen once again. Carlos King is vindicated.

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Speaker 1: Just like I said to all of my rain drops, gar Cell and Sell and by the way, they unfollowed each other this week, Alexis, get the care. I'm the one who said I don't believe the friendship. I thinks the alliance. I did apologize to that Garcel. I love them both, but I said I'm sorry because I offend you guys. I'm sorry, But then they unfollow each other. I'm vindicated, I said, since since since episode one season nineteen, I'm like, there's something about Katie.

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Speaker 2: No, not Mary, shout out to.

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Speaker 1: My girl camera, diask there is something about Katie, the enigma that is Katie.

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Speaker 2: I just don't believe her.

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Speaker 1: And and some fans like, Carlos, shut up, You're You're in a Lexa Tamra's asshole, and I'm like, don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm Summer's.

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Speaker 3: Even Okay, So I don't hear.

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Speaker 2: Mine is mine?

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Speaker 4: You call a sat a spade, Carlos, Let's just leave it at that, Okay, you do. I think that's why you're so loved by so many people, because regardless of what you know, if you get the wrath of anything or from whatever you've said, you were honest and you speak your mind and most of the time.

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Speaker 3: You end up being right. So, okay, I would have argued with you last week. I would have argued with you.

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Speaker 4: I would have said, oh, come on, don't be so hard on Katie, because I'm like you, I was feeling really bad. I thought I felt like it was such a gang up. Now I'm like, now I'm on the ship with the girls, being like I just got led about.

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Speaker 3: So now I believe that she is flying about all.

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Speaker 4: Those othersuff because it's just do the lie, like oh yeah, anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't get it because on your that's okay, I will say this.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it because for me, even in this episode when Katie is like, so, you know, Tamrack goes outside, she brings Joe and she sees Katie and her husband Matt, And I think Matt is such a sweet guy. I feel I honestly feel bad for Mike because I'm sure I mean that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's a good person. He's a good human.

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Speaker 4: He's so innocent and in the storm of all of this, and his wife handled things differently. I think it would be a you know, he had a better experience, but he should be taking some accountability for her, holding accountable for her actions at this point, you know, like like oh they do it, Like what your wife?

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Speaker 3: What are you doing?

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Speaker 4: You know? Like, yeah, I mean and Katie, here's the thing, though, Carlos, she did own up to some of the things at the very beginning of the episode or was that last week's episode one of the episodes now I'm turning together, but she she took my ability. But I'm sorry I did do some of these things, So why are you now going to continue to lie about things that are so stupid about that?

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Speaker 3: That's where I'm like, she really does have a bad relationship with.

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Speaker 4: The truth, and if not even to protect her own family and her own you know, what, do you reputation. It's like now it's to the point where it's like it's just stupid lies about things She's already needed.

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Speaker 3: She knows there's a voice recording.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think when it comes to Katie, I think Katie has an unhealthy relationship with the audience, and that audience includes her fans, the viewers of the show, and the bloggers. I think Katie, because listen, I've been doing this for almost twenty years, Alexis. I think Katie being a newbie, and I understand it when it's your first season, her first season, it is it is it is.

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Speaker 2: It is something that is new to you.

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Speaker 1: Gratefully, Alexis, you were on The Real Housewives of OC before social media blew up.

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Speaker 2: You were able to really live in your reality. Those days are gone. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: I think Katie spent every available time going through social media comments and because a lot of people just don't like Tamera. I always say this, like I said about Melissa Gorga. In my opinion, Melissa Gorga does not have fans. She has Teresa Hayters. I don't think Katie has fans. I think Katie has Tamra haters. And I think Katie got caught up in the matrix and started to befriend bloggers and she really is played Katie to the audience. And now that you're telling me what she said about you on Watch What Happens Live indicates that little do you know, Katie. If you go listen to a podcast, listen to my girlfriend, because Alexis really has their back on my podcast when I was like, I don't think she's this person, Alexis has their back, Katie. So instead of you listening to the echo chamber of the bubble that you're in, you should have listened to reality with the game and really understood that had you're back unless your.

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Speaker 4: Back, and I will, I am will fill That's the thing. I will be loyal to my friends and there everything you know, I will. I will be little to a fault with them. However, she should listen to her gut to and the other part.

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Speaker 3: Carlos that you.

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Speaker 4: I don't know this or not, but Tamro was close to Paiti and defended Patie and tried her hardest to help Katie through this whole season, like she really did, so, you know, even against the other women's wishes and everything else.

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Speaker 3: So I I don't know why. I don't know what.

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Speaker 4: I think Katie's just scared. I think she's just been so hated by the women and kind of iced out a little bit. It looks like the women are not nice to her.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's going to turn around. We have a few more episodes to see, obviously, But yeah, it's just she she had a different path she could have taken.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, instead of the path of Matt leading you to self destruction because he believes his wife and you're a liar, liar, pants on fire.

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

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Speaker 1: So before we move on to the office scene, what I do want to address is this Katie said in her confessional. If Tamara was so concerned about the recording, why didn't she say anything?

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Speaker 2: Then why is she saying it now? As a producer.

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Speaker 1: I will say this because tamar is taping a reality shows.

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Speaker 3: You can complain about Tama.

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Speaker 4: Tamara does her job, Okay, she moves storyline forward, she has conflict resolutions, skilled she takes she takes her job, and she does her job. This is why she's the longest living housewife or the longest you housewife, stint or whatever. It's like, Okay, the girl knows how to do her job. So at the end of the day, everyone can hate whoever they want. If the show wouldn't exist without someone like Tamarra to movie storyline on. I don't know why she brought it up. I really don't. Maybe it was a boring lunch or maybe something ignited you know, you don't see a lot of us see you know that, right, it's a huge it's filmed for hours and you get one little snippet of it. Maybe something was said that we didn't see that ignited it in hammer and she's like and she just brought it up. I don't know, but I just know that as well as you that filming a reality show, a lot of footage isn't cut because they have to.

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Speaker 3: Reduce it down.

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Speaker 4: And who knows why she brought it up, unless it's to move storyline, or unless it's to call Katie out, because she.

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Speaker 2: Did do that, you know, precisely, and for Tama Judge, I thank you. Now I need to know this. One thing about the OC that I love is the fact that I like the petty beef. I like the petty drama. Nothing made me laugh louder.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, Alexis than Tamra accusing Jen of wearing her old hair extensions and it.

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Speaker 3: Admitted it that they put it in for five I mean, you can't break this right. You can't even write this the movie. She said. Jen said, oh, come on, Tamba. They just clipped him in for fun. It was just funny.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, we laughed about it. So I personally think it's funny and I don't think anything I would. I'd own it too if I was like, yeah, we put im in to be funny. It's hysterical.

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Speaker 3: I hear your your weed was right here, your hair was right here. I just stuck it in to take it for a moment.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think Dinner of Soccer or want to be I don't think she wants to be Tamra. I think she is just trying to live her best life and look like every other blonde bombshell here in southern California.

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Speaker 2: You know, well that that's the thing I was going to ask you.

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Speaker 1: Is there a shortage of horses that is lacking in oc where you can't cut the hair off of them? Not saying you should shut off to Pita, but I'm saying, like I thought that was the funniest thing. And Tamra, Listen, Tamra is serious when she says, I believe that Jen stalked me. I believe that Jim purpose purposely, you know, went to the gym and did all these things to get close to me to get on the show.

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Speaker 2: You know Jim personally, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Do you see some validity in what Tamar is saying about Jen allegedly being single white female.

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Speaker 3: They have such a beef that I and I don't.

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Speaker 4: I really don't understand where it comes from, because I do like Jin.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have distanced a little bit, but I do like her.

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Speaker 4: I don't think no matter what gim she goes to, Okay, Orange coummy small, no matter what restaurant you go to, it's not single white female. Although tamer does have quite a list of things that she goes down to. In Tamra's mind, she does believe that right like she truly does believe Jen wants to be her. I look at it as an outsider, loving Tamar, she's one of my besties, and loving liking Jen a lot.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there is.

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Speaker 4: No single white bee won't. Like I've said it before, it's like you walk down the street. We aren't all dark haired, light skin. We are like tan, blonde, blues, lips, botox. That's the look here in Califrinia. So I don't think that anyone single white femaling Tamra because they want to do the same thing that most of.

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Speaker 3: Them, you know, women here are doing and let it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe everybody is single white female Pamela and the different Baywatch.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe her in her.

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Speaker 3: Red swim throat running through the beach.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe that's the Pulsted child forward.

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Speaker 1: But you know, one thing that Jen did say as a clapback is look, Tamara was my body. She got the tummy talk to look like me and was send photos. So look, one thing about Jen, Jen is not backing down from Tamra.

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Speaker 4: Now that's what I'm telling you they have such a beef, and I really do want to know like what it comes from, because I was kind of in the middle of it, like when I was filming Season eighteen, because I was doing the situation.

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Speaker 3: On my eye.

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Speaker 4: I mean loved Tamra, loved Jin, and I'd have to be like, Okay, both of you, don't say a word about the other person, because I'm in the middle and I'm printed both of you talk about I don't want to hear anything about Jen.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear anything about Tamara period.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: So I had to like look really hard because you know, there's so much filming going on and you're kind of stuck in the middle of it all. I don't understand their beats, and I wish that there wasn't such a animosity there. There's just a lot on both sides, both of them, and you could tell in that scene, but that scene not like it was.

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Speaker 3: It was intense and neither of them were backing down.

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Speaker 1: So I do want to go there now with it too, because when Tamar and Jan sat down, I I'm going to be honest here.

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Speaker 2: I love a one on one with two housewives.

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Speaker 1: I think is the perfect moment to address everything without the other women there either agony interrupting you. I need things to be clear as day as something comical or shady always comes out of it. When I look at tamar and Jen, look, I know Gretchen is back, and we'll get to that in a second. In my opinion, Alexis, I think Tamarra and.

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Speaker 4: Jen's bank Suddenly I can't hear you, all right.

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Speaker 2: I'll start hang on, say it again, testing one.

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Speaker 3: Two three, Okay, I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when I look at Tamra and Jen, in my opinion, this is giving me old school Tamara Gretchen, I think, and Gretchen's back. We're gonna see what happens later in the season. But I'm telling you right now, this season, I'm obsessed with the beef between Tamra Jen because they are both hysterical and they do not back down from each other. And when I look at Jen, I think Jen has come a force to be reckoned with on this show. And that's why I think she should stay on for as long as the show was there. Because I always said this to me. She breathes, oh see, and I like the fact that she can stand up for herself, and she did that in this scene. You know, look the accusation of cheating came up. Jen said, look, you cheated too. Tamer said, I was out of my marriage, meaning she moved out when she started seeing Eddie.

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Speaker 2: Jen said same thing with me.

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Speaker 1: I just start seeing Ryan until I was I was, you know, out the house, out of my marriage or whatever, not divorce.

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Speaker 2: But technically away from the marriage. What your thoughts on that is, is that considered cheating to you? And is that true based on your knowledge?

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Speaker 4: I think every divorce a has to handle that topic on their own and go with their own world. I mean, the minute Jim and I, you know, knew we were going to get a divorce. At that point, the narrows is over. I don't think it's cheating at all. I think if you once you've said we're done, I mean, if you have to wait for the divorce finalize, which a lot of people believe in that you have to.

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Speaker 3: You might have to wait two to three years for some divorces.

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Speaker 4: So it's like you're not going to spend that whole too with when you're saying and still you're you're still married with this guy when you're out living together. So I wasn't there when Tamra met Eddie, so I don't know for sure what was happening. I'm going to take it at face volume book that she said when she said I have maked.

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Speaker 3: Out, saying with Jin.

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Speaker 4: But there is the rumor going around that both of them have cheated. I guess I didn't even know that was that was part of it. But they're both sitting there accusing each other of it and then saying no.

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Speaker 3: But I wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I was moved out, So I think it it doesn't make any different. After you mentioned that you're can divorce, I think, what do you think? Because I think at that point, it's like, okay, we're done, let's move on. Sign on the dog line when the line comes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, what that was saying. I don't think it's cheating.

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Speaker 1: If we both said we are divorcing each other and we're going to move on from this marriage. I think the moment two parties decide this marriage is heading towards divorce and we're going to file, I think that's the day you're able to start dating other people.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should wait until the divorce is finalized, because based on my history working with housewives and reality stars who are going through divorce, it can sometimes take years for the divorce to be finalized, especially when there's lots of assets.

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Speaker 2: And children involved. It takes a while. So I don't think it's cheating.

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Speaker 1: However, Tamar did say, prompted by the shady producer, if the professionals when when prompted by the producer, what is the information that Jin? I mean, I'm sorry that Tamra has on Gin. Tamar did say, there's yes, yes, no, yes. Tamra says there's rumors that.

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Speaker 2: Jin was involved with another guy before Ryan. Is that true in the OC streets?

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Speaker 4: Alexis Billino, I do not know, And I am so sorry that I can't dish any more Tea on this. I did not know about that or about it until you know all of us just now. So I And here's the thing I have a hard time with. There are so many false rumors that go around. There are so many things that aren't true said about me, about people I know, about Tamara, about Jen. Sometimes I just look the other way and go, okay, is it real or not? And and by the way does it even matter At this point she's engaged to Ryan. It's like, well, just not worry about what happened five years ago, ten years ago, and stick to what's happening now.

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Speaker 3: Like, I just I don't know.

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Speaker 4: And there was a rumor that Tamar and Eddie had cheeted, and that was in one of the episodes, you know, back in seasons five or eight or something or no, maybe it was after that.

00:24:49
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

00:24:50
Speaker 4: Now all the time runs together, but and I don't think that was true. So it's like, I just I don't know.

00:24:56
Speaker 3: People like to talk.

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Speaker 4: I think it's true in any town, not just O. See by the way, I don't want to just a bunch of doctors.

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Speaker 2: No, no, that's the big Oh No, it's Listen. The Housewives has spaned to like ten cities, so clearly it's in every area.

00:25:10
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why the franchise is successful, because they did a good job tapping into these cities where it is like this community.

00:25:18
Speaker 2: Where people do talk. And again it's like a nod to Desperate Housewives.

00:25:22
Speaker 1: One thing I would like to say about Tamara is I really enjoyed this scene between her and Sophie her daughter, and for me, look, I know Tamar goes a bad rap and I know that tamras sometimes to the audience does not help herself. I always look at it like Tamara is a good reality star because she's complex and she's not perfect, and I think that's the beauty of her as a reality star. The scene between her and Sophie made me smile because it was nice to see her in mother mode. And I always think when it comes to reality stars, it's nice to have that balance. And that's the reason why last season, Alexis when you were on and you came to my podcast and I was on yours too, one thing we talked about was the sort of unfortunate nature of you being a friend because it prevented the world from seeing your full life. Right you were subjected to only being the friend into these other women's reality and not unfortunately having your full reality be shown. Talk to me about the importance of having these scenes where you are mother and people seeing your life, because I felt that that scene really did help balance out Tamar this season.

00:26:37
Speaker 3: Well, it just that's what I.

00:26:39
Speaker 4: Miss about the show too, because back season five to eight, when I was on, it was even as a full time versus a friend also, but it was a lot more of your family life shown and real talk to have with your husband, some real moments you have with your kids, like when one of my kids the other one of the twins, the other twin, and I had to take all their you know, their lipstick and everything.

00:27:00
Speaker 3: You don't get the same one your sister. So I don't know.

00:27:04
Speaker 4: I love that scene with Tamara, and it does show her how like she is a good mom, She is close to her kids, she would die for her kids, you know, just like every other mom. And yeah, it's the reality of real life that then people can kind of go, oh, I can relate to that instead of just all the bickering and the lies and rumors and gossip that happens, which is doocy and not that keeps everyone coming back. But it is good to see with all the all the housewives, their mother little skills and what it's like, you know, just bring it home for everybody.

00:27:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, and I think, look Tamra, obviously, unfortunately there's other children she have that I believe there's one or two if I'm not mistaken, maybe one who isn't speaking to her. Currently, but I think, look, I think it's brave that any mother decides to get on reality television, and I think it's for the kids to say yes. And I think there's something complicated about kids growing up into reality television, and there's something complicated about going through divorce when you have kids. I think sometimes, not all the time, Sometimes kids do pick sides and it's hard to navigate. And that's why I give Tamra all the props in the world for being honest about the relationship she's happened with her children and the complexities of what that is. Now, with that being said, I'm going to transition into Heather de Bro meeting with Katie. In this scene, Alexis, Heather Debro confronts Katie about a conversation she had with Tamera where there's a radio host named ki Ki Monique High Kiki.

00:28:53
Speaker 2: She has a show with Real Housewives of New York Legend Derinda.

00:29:00
Speaker 1: I believe it's called Reality Checked. I've been a guest on it. Keiki Monique is fantastic. She's not a blogger, she's a radio host, and I believe she's a comedian. Long story short, Heather confronted Katie and said, Tamar did tell me that you met with a blogger named Keikim Monique and to give information to her, And Katie looked visibly shocked by the accusation and denied it. Do you believe Katie was surprised by the accusation because it wasn't true.

00:29:38
Speaker 4: No, I think Katie, once again, well, was dumbfounded it. She gottling again, like it's almost like you know, your mom tells you not to touch the stove and oh, you'll get burnt, and you keep touching it and you keep getting burnt. I feel like Katie's like, especially after last night, what happened with me. It's I do believe she doesn't think she actually says what she she does say or did what she will do. I think she might actually have an issue that, like some kind of issue with going, oh did I do that?

00:30:08
Speaker 3: And then remembering it. But it's too she's already lied about it. I don't know.

00:30:11
Speaker 4: Nothing else makes sense to me. I don't understand, but I have heard about the peepee thing, and I do. I will have to wait and see what happens on the couple episodes, but I think you're gonna see too a lot more to that situation.

00:30:27
Speaker 1: Alexis Beenlina, are you saying to me that this is just the beginning of what I think?

00:30:33
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't get the screeners anymore. I don't know. All I feel like is they're setting us up.

00:30:40
Speaker 4: They're setting us up to let us think or there's something going to be more about the peepe thing er. It wouldn't have just gotten brought up, you know. And Katie does keep getting caught in the lie. Katie did act shocked, But to me, when I was watching that pain, I thought she was acting shocked because she was like how did this get out? You know, That's more what I was reading from the situation. And so we'll see, I, you know, kind of kind of let that as a footpanger, you know. But I think it's there's there's going to be more.

00:31:07
Speaker 3: I hope. I want to get to the bottom of it.

00:31:09
Speaker 4: I just want to know, Like I want to sit down with Katie and have her take a light detector test, like for like ten minutes and ask her like twenty five of the questions would women are thinking she's light about?

00:31:17
Speaker 3: And see what the flight detector tests them do?

00:31:19
Speaker 4: Because I think it probably burned like I think the paper would start to like fry, you know, from the thing.

00:31:25
Speaker 3: Don't trace you. I don't understand the lies. I don't get it. It's all line one one for a fire truck to come put the.

00:31:39
Speaker 2: Liear liear Katie's on fire.

00:31:41
Speaker 1: Okay, look, listen, I'm going to keep watching obviously, Alexis. I would love you to come back on because you bring to me so much insight and intail about this show. And look, it's a gift to have you on recapping these episodes with me because I really am fascinated by that world.

00:32:06
Speaker 2: And listen, you are the icon that.

00:32:08
Speaker 1: Helped build this franchise into to me, currently the best one out there. So I thank you for your services. Alexis Blina, Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, all right, So rain Drops catches again the next time. But Alexis, but anything going on that you want to promote let your fans know about.

00:32:30
Speaker 2: Although I know how you are planning your wedding and I'm sure you're you're like and you dated with that, I am.

00:32:36
Speaker 4: I am in deep and I didn't realize I've been so nonchalant about it up until now that we're getting down to wire, and it's like, even with the team I have behind me, I'm like, oh, I'm eating, sleeping, drinking, you know, dreaming, like all wedding stuff.

00:32:50
Speaker 3: So there's just a lot of facets and things that.

00:32:52
Speaker 4: You have to that when it comes down the clothes that you have to start narrowing down and getting down.

00:32:57
Speaker 2: So yeah, exciting, exciting, all right. I love you, Alexive and I'll see you all the next one.

00:33:05
Speaker 1: Bye. Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with the Lack Effect Network. You can also find us on my YouTube channel at the Carlos King Underscore