Ep:110 In The Shadow Of Radium

So I'm looking at it and I'm trying to focus the binoculars in and not
working. But I see a head and no neck in these giant broad shoulders
that creep, you know, like that widen out and I just see fur,
like a reddish blackish kind of hue. But I could see it like
it wasn't bark, it wasn't grass, it wasn't you know, like the
ground Like it was very clearly like fur like hair. And I was like,
is that a Is that a bear I'm seeing? But I don't know
any reddish bears around here? And it doesn't like it doesn't have the body
type like it looks like broad shoulders, no neck, and then like a
head. And then so I'm looking a little bit more and the shadow of
I think a tree or something that's kind of crossed over like the backside of
it, but I see it tapered down from the shoulders kind of into the
hip area. And I'm like, there's no way that I'm looking at a
big boat right now through my crappy binoculars on my first expedition, like this
doesn't happen. I'd like to welcome Kyle to the show. Kyle, thanks
for joining me on Bigfoot Crossroads. How are you good man? Thanks for
having me on. Yeah, so you reached out to me after I did
a show with Brian Sharp of Sasquatch Odyssey, and I guess you were part
of the entourage that went and checked out Radium where Todd Standing does his work.
Yeah. So I work kind of hand in hand with Todd Standing,
and I had been in contact with Brian probably about two years prior to the
actual expedition, and I did a show with him, and uh, you
know as Toads. As everybody knows how, Todd is a very controversial man.
You know, my connection with him kind of got me in with Brian,
and uh, eventually I just kind of was like, dude, you
got to come out. You know, there's really no way for me to
to explain everything to you. And if you don't want to believe and you
have to see it for yourself, then here's an opportunity. And uh,
the first year it didn't work out, but the next year it did.
So I got him out to read him for a week and uh yeah,
I mean I'm sure he told you all about it, so but yeah,
so, uh, let's just you know, of course I want to hear
how did you end up working with Todd? It's a it's a really kind
of wild story, but it isn't at the same time, you know,
like it's one of those happenstance things. Yeah. So I've been in a
big fool my whole life, you know, ever since I could start,
you know, reading books and my Snster Quest was a big one for me
on the History Channel, and now I know Doug Hicheck, which is crazy
to me, and so you know, yeah, like it's so crazy.
So watching Monster Quest really kind of piqued my interest. And that's with aliens
and lockdown sponsor and all that stuff, and you know, especially Bigfoot.
So Todd's documentary Discovering Bigfoot came out, and you know, I watched it
and I was like, oh my god, this is this is revolutionary.
So I was still living at home. I think it was twenty fifteen at
the time when I when I saw it, fifteen twenty sixteen. So my
dad got home from work and I was like, Dad, you got to
watch this documentary. So you know, it's like a two and a half
hour documentary. So I sat down and watched it again with my dad,
and we both looked at each other. And my dad and I are very
very close. You can ask anybody this. We looked at each other and
we we hadn't talked about this scenario that we had in the Adirondacks some years
back. And actually, no, I'm sorry, I got the timeline wrong.
So I watched the documentary I think in like twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen,
and we had that experience in the Adirondecks in like twenty fifteen, twenty
sixteen. So we looked at each other and we're like, hey, remember
that time in the Adirondecks. And I was like, yep, yep,
that's exactly what I was thinking. Because him and I didn't talk about it.
We had this weird, crazy encounter and we just we never talked about
it. So it was it was this kind of catalyst for us to kind
of open that big Foot book and talk about what happened and what we thought
it was. So eventually I started watching Todd standing stuff and you know,
go and do his YouTube channel, subscribe to him, and just kind of
got into it and watched his live streams and stuff. And one night I
was watching his live stream and I think it was I think it was twenty
twenty. Yeah, it was twenty twenty. And so I commented on his
live stream. I was like, hey, Todd, I'm a you know,
I'm a big fan. I'd love to come out and do an expedition
with you one day. And a couple of minutes later, he's, you
know, talking, and he just stops, like on the live stream and
he goes, hey, Kyle, yeah, anytime you want to come on
an exhibition, just send me an email. Now my job out hit the
floor. So, oh my god, he just called me out. There's
like thousands of people watching, and he saw my comment for no reason,
like in the middle of a sentence, and it was just like, yeah,
send me an email. So I sent him an email and I told
him, you know what happened in the Adiran decks And two weeks later,
I'm getting a phone call from British Columbia. I was like, no way.
And ever since then him and I have just been friends and he's one
of my best friends right now. That man single handedly changed my life.
Wow. So you know, and it sucks because he gets a lot of
heat and he gets a lot of gets a lot of hatred for things that
he's done, and it sucks because he's he's a he's a great guy.
He's changed my life, and he's one of my best friends. So I'll
always be in his corner. I mean, I'm kind I'm speechless right now.
Uh just you know, being completely transparent. I mean, as you
said, extremely controversial guy. Yes, especially whenever it comes to like mainstream
bigfoot research. Right, what gravitated you towards him? Well? His documentary
is really what did it? Because nobody else has stuff like that out there?
So you're just all in believe that those are really bigfoot on the video?
Yeah, okay, yep, No, I I I know that they're
they're real Sasquatch and I went out there. I've been out there for three
years in a row. I've spent eight weeks in his research area. No,
so I'm sorry, six weeks in his research area. It's going to
be I'm probably gonna spend a month or two up there this year. But
I've seen them. I know that that's them. You're not I don't want
you to fill out of place or anything. You're not here to defend Todd
or anything like that. I'm just curious to hear your own experiences and you
know, the stuff that you have witnessed firsthand and everything. I don't want
you to feel like I'm attacking Todd in any way. No, no,
and I mean even if you did, I'm just gonna tell you the reasons
why I think you know why I think he's right. But it's okay,
yeah, no, So it's actually I never had a sighting until I went
out to Todd's research area. I never found I never found football. I
found footprints in the Adirondecks with him, but we didn't have a sighting in
the air Indecks. And then when I went up to Radium, that's when
I had my first sighting. And then I went again the next year,
which would have been two years ago now, had a second sighting. And
then this year I was out with Brian this past season, we didn't have
any sightings. Actually, my dad, I'm sorry, my dad did have
a sighting at base camp. Well, let's talk about that first trip to
Todd's and what that experience was like for you. Okay, yeah, so
we were out there. It was me and two other guys out there on
the next fission with Todd, and I knew Todd pretty decently well at that
point, but you know, we're still kind of growing our relationship, so
I'm still kind of like questioning a lot of things. And you know,
it's obviously my first year in his research area, so I'm being really you
know, thorough with everything that I'm seeing and trying to learn as much as
I can. And so we're taking this hike. I think it was on
the Elk Trail, which we we have different trails name just to help kind
of differentiate where we're going and what we're doing. Right, So on the
Elk Trail, it kind of it goes on top of a ridge, and
it runs down the top of the ridge and kind of cuts back down into
the valley. And so at some point there's an open spot and you can
look out, you know, towards and see the valley and see the other
mountain ridges and everything like that. And I took a moment to just stop
and look. And I had these tiny, little crappy binoculars that I brought
from home that probably you know, probably got from the dollar store, you
know, like some of the worst binoculars you could ever find, and some
scanning this ridge line, and I come, I go across something, and
I'm like, I mean, it's probably it's probably a mile away, you
know, like and these binoculars are not really picking up much, but it
just looks weird. I just I could see a little bit of detail and
I could see an outline, but that was about it. Like I couldn't
focus on it. Yeah. So I'm like scanning and I see this figure
and I like, you know, you know in the movies when you like
they show somebody going over something of binoculars and all of a sudden they stop
and skip back to it. Yeah, Yeah, it was just like that.
And I was like, wait, what the hell is that? So
I'm looking at it and I'm trying to focus the binoculars in and they're not
working. But I see a head and no neck in these giant broad shoulders
that creep, you know, like that widen out and I just see fur,
like a reddish blackish kind of hue. But I could see it like
it wasn't bark, it wasn't grass, it wasn't you know, like the
ground, Like it was very clearly like fur like hair. And I was
like, is that a Is that a bear? I'm seeing, but I
don't know any reddish bears around here, and it doesn't like it doesn't have
the body hype, like it looks like broad shoulders, no neck, and
then like a head. And then so I'm looking a little bit more and
the shadow of I think a tree or something has kind of crossed over,
like the backside of it, but I see it tapered down from the shoulders
kind of into the hip area. And I'm like, there's no way that
I'm looking at a big foot right now through my crappy binoculars on my first
expedition, Like this doesn't happen. So I was like, you know what,
I'm just gonna sit here and stare at it, and if it moves,
then i'll know. And if it doesn't move, then maybe i'll know.
You know, I'm gonna get an answer somehow. Was I wrong?
So I'm watching this thing for a solid like forty five seconds and it's not
moving at all. I'm like, Okay, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's
just my plain tricks to me, you know, Like I'm in bigfoot habitat,
I'm with Todd standing, I'm expecting to see something. I was like,
all right, you know what, I'm gonna do something crazy and I'm
gonna regret this, but i'm gonna have to do it. I'm gonna just
take off. I'm just gonna look away. I'm gonna I'm gonna put the
binoculars down and just look away, readjust my eyes. I'm gonna give it
ten fifteen seconds, and i'm gonna come back up to it, see if
I can find it again, see if it's moved, you know, like
just kind of try to readjust my eyes on it. So that's what I
do. Look away, and I give it. I give it a little
bit longer than you know, ten fifty seconds. Todd while I was looking
at it, he was like, hey, there's there's tracks over there if
you want to go look at him. So I was like, all right,
you know what, that's fine. So I take about thirty seconds.
I look down at this track, like all right, stood back in my
footprints, picked the binoculars back up, and I go right back to that
spot. Because I memorize like where a tree was, and where this stump
was, and where there was this big cut up log where the hill,
like, I memorize the surrounding area. So I go back right to that
area and there's nothing there. So I'm looking around. I'm trying to see
if something's moving completely gone. That's whatever was there was not there. There
was like some sort of bush and it'll looked completely different, and I know
that's where it was. So I start freaking out. It's like, did
I really just see that? But I didn't say anything, And that's what
kind of what I should have done. And what you know, I've realized
when I when I when I do expeditions now is like, listen, if
you think you see something, just ask, because having another set of eyes
could make that determination, you know, Because if I was looking to that
a sasquatch through binoculars and somebody else goes, oh, let me look and
they see it too, well, sweet, there we go, you know.
But in my opinion, I was looking at one. That's the only
explanation I have for it, you know. But I didn't get a secondhand
opinion on it. And that's kind of what bothers me still to this day.
But I don't really need that validation. What happened with you and your
dad in the Addiron Decks That was back in twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen.
So my dad grew up in the Adiron Decks and he knew this spot to
go hunting. So we made a plan to go up in there and just
spend a couple of days, like a long weekend up there hunting for you
know, for early deer season, because the adderon deck deer season is sooner
in the in the season than it is for like down in the Catskills where
I'm from. So we figure, you know, we got a couple a
couple of dough tags for that area, so we could like early hunt up
there and get something and then come back down home and then you know,
come back in a rifle season and still have our do tags there. So
and plus we needed you know, I just got out of high school,
so you know, I was planning on moving out and stuff. So it
was kind of just like a little like last weekend kind of him and I
thing. So we go up there and we had a spot all planned out
and everything. My dad showed me around the area and stuff, you know,
because he went to school there, so it was cool to see that,
and uh, you know, we just had a good time. So
it was like one of the last nights we were there. And we were
out pretty much all day up and down the trail. It's a very popular
hiking trail, but you know, we went off trail just to not be
near hikers or anything like that in case. So we went in that morning,
didn't see anything. We came back out, went to lunch, you
know, whatever, hung around town, came back to the camping spot,
and then around like I think three or four o'clock, we decided to go
back out for like last light. So we bushwhacked in not very far,
a little ways in and I found a spot. It was freshmen on the
ground. There's deer tracks running through. I was kind of like in the
circle of like hemlock trees all the way around me. So I just kind
of like knelt down in like kind of underneath the branch. But I could
see this big circle, you know, so I could see out a little
ways just in case something popped through, you know, like whatever. And
it's kinna starting to get dusk and dark. My dad was like, I'm
gonna go somewhere else and and try a different spot, you know, like
it increases our odds. It's like, okay, cool. So he walks
away, don't hear him anymore. I think he's about two hundred yards away.
So all of a sudden, you know, like it gets really quiet
and the sun's going down, like it's starting to get dark. And I
don't know if you've ever been to New York, but in the winter,
like I think the season was like late September, it doesn't take long to
get dark, you know. So by the minute it's dropping in light,
and all of a sudden, I just on the other side of the trees
in the circle that I'm in, I just start hearing branches being broke and
like not just like little like twigs and stuff like branches, Like, okay,
that's a little bit scary. Something's running towards me. So you know,
I took I took the safety off because I'm expecting like a bear or
a moose to come like running through the trees at any second, because it's
loud, like what is that And it's not like coming around me. It's
not getting quieter, like it's staying just on the other side of the uh
of the tree line that I can see, so like I'm expecting something to
pop through at any second, and it's not. Also, I just keep
hearing bang crash, smash, and it's like you know when you when you
hear a tree fall in the woods, Like that's the sound I'm talking about.
So like I grew up logging. My family own a logging company,
and uh, you know, like I've been in the woods. I've heard
a thousand trees fall, you know, like I've heard branches, I've heard
trees break. That's what it sounded like. It sounded like eight inches plus
just getting snapped and smashed and ripped apart. But the weird thing for me
was I didn't hear any any breathing. I didn't hear any grunting. I
didn't hear any footsteps or thuds or anything like that. It was strictly just
branches being branches and logs just being tore apart. So I'm I'm trying to
like run through all these scenarios and my head like what's going on over there?
And I know that you know, if it was like a two moose
fighting or something, you'd hear like the antlers and you'd hear them grunting,
and you'd hear them same with bears. The white tailed deer aren't going to
make that much noise, right, even if it was one rubbing like you
would just hear the scrapes and that it'd be about it, you know.
So I'm running through all these scenarios like what could it be, what's making
these noises? What's strong enough to make these noises? Now? Then I
hear like whoosh smash, whoosh crash, and I was like, wait a
minute. So that means that something is has these branches with leaves and stuff
on them or maybe pine needles, and is whipping them through the air and
hitting other things. That's not a moose. That's not a bear, that's
not a white tail, that's not a bobcat. Something's grabbing these branches and
like whipping them around. And it can't be human, and it's not a
machine over there, because there's no way to get a machine in there.
There's no way it's a human. Like absolutely, these branches are entirely too
big, like thundering booms and cracks and stuff like that. It's not a
person and it's not multiple people. So about that time, I'm turning white
and I still got my gun up, and my dad comes running from wherever
he was and runs over, and he's white because he doesn't know what.
He just hears these crashes from you know, one hundred two hundred yards away.
So he comes running up to me. He's like, what is that?
And I was like, Dad, I don't know. And he's like,
I thought, like you were getting hurt or something was like maull and
you Like, He's like, I just started running. So about the time
he got there, it went for another like thirty forty five seconds, I
think, and then it just stopped and all went quiet, and we're looking
at each other like what because of making those noises? I think I think
we both knew, but we didn't want to say it. And like understand,
my dad and I are like super super close and we talk about everything,
especially at that time, you know, and uh, we just never
talked about it. We literally just got up and walked back to the camper
and we left. The whole ride home, we didn't talk about it.
We didn't talk about it for probably a couple of years until I saw Todd's
documentary. And that's what was like, okay, you know, like I
think this is what it was, and he was he didn't miss a heartbeat
when he said, YEP, I agree with you. And my dad grew
up up in those woods. I think sometimes like saying it kind of makes
it real. Yeah, no one, you know, so like just to
have my dad be like, yeah, yeah, I agree with you.
I think that's what it was. Was like the you know, like that
paradox that that box was opened up. You know, it's like, oh,
man, okay, this is like this isn't just a TV show anymore.
You know, now that you've gotten uh, you know, some some
miles underneath your feet in this and you've had these experiences out in radium,
what do you think was going on in the Adirondacks. Do you think that
was like it putting on a display to run you out of the area,
or did he even know you were there? No, I I think it
very much knew I was there, and I think it was so more more
so recently, it's coming to my attention that you know, they're not just
animals, you know. I think they're I think they're very spiritual, and
I think they can understand and see a lot of things that we don't really
understand yet. And I know that you know, some people are are are
put here for a reason, and I know that sometimes like Todd, they're
just meant to be that person to you know, call it fake, call
it whatever, but I think they pick people, you know, and they
go, okay, all right, you know, like we're gonna we're gonna
show this guy that we're real and it's gonna change this guy's life and he's
gonna move down this path, you know, Like I think they have that
feel for people that kind of I guess, I guess you could say that
esp So for me, it was like it was definitely an intimidation display because
I know that I know, I've been around him enough to know that they're
very intimidating species and they like to show that they're powerful. So I know
that's what that was. And uh, but I also think it was like
a catalyst for me, you know, And and I think they knew that,
so sort of like a spiritual introduction, right yeah, kind of like
a a shamanistic like wake up call. Okay. And I know that sounds
a little bit woo woo, but you know, in all reality, once
you once you start really getting involved with it, like it's hard to not
be you know. And and they use what's it called infrasound. I don't
know if you know that gorillas use it too, right, you know,
And and Todd's been hit by I haven't personally been hit by but I know
people who've been hit by it, which you mean if they if they can
use that there, they've got to be on a different level all the way
around. They can't just be hitting rocks together making whoops and then all of
a sudden be able to knock somebody out with infrasound. Like there's there's there's
no line there, right, regardless of if people sit on the flesh and
blood side or the quote unquote wou side, there are certain things that have
to be acknowledged. And having personally experienced the effects of infrasound myself, oh
have you Yeah, And it was cool. It was a crazy situation,
but that kind of sent me down the road of like, okay, well
now I'm going to focus on this and try to understand this aspect, right.
You know. It's it's funny to say that because my dad had a
very similar experience, but it was with an ORB and it was in the
Adirondacks. We went back like I don't know, five or six years,
No, I think it was actually I think it was like eight years later.
And so we went back to a different spot and he saw an ORB
that night and I had never like that wasn't even in the question for me,
Like I had never seen one. I believe in ghosts and stuff like
that, and I've seen them, but it's never been like the whole the
orbs and like the fairies and you know, like that kind of stuff was
was too far out of reach for me, you know, like, yeah,
the way I look at it is you can't put a door on a
car that you don't own, right, you know, like it doesn't fit
anywhere at the moment. Maybe in a little bit, in a couple of
years, it'll fit and it'll make sense, but right now, like I
don't, I don't focus on it. You don't focus on Bigfoot. So
my dad he saw that orb, and I was like, Okay, well,
now it's graduated from totally out of the out of like out of my
vision to now it's on the shelf, you know, like now I have
to look at this. Maybe I won't get to it, but now it's
like it's there. You know, someone you trust has told you that,
hey, this is there. Yeah, yeah, and that was so now
I got to do that that's going to be another project. But do you
think there's a connection between orbs and Bigfoot? My opinion with with so a
lot of people have the understanding, and you know, they think that Bigfoot
in orbs and aliens and all that stuff has something in common. And I
think that they're right. So hear me out. You know what lay lines
are, right? Sure? So I think there's very particular vortices or you
know, areas of energy in certain areas on the Earth that attract a lot
of different entities. So if Bigfoot is on a spiritual wavelength where they're attracted
to some sort of energy like that, whether it be just out of curiousness
or because they feed off of it, or maybe they get some of their
spiritual guidance or energy from that, I think that the other things gravitates as
the same thing. So let's say that I think personally orbs are basically balls
of energy, and I think that they kind of gravitate towards these areas because
I don't know if they're sentient or anything like that, but I just think
that physically they are a big ball of energy and they just do their own
things. You know, I haven't gotten that far into it yet. But
if they're gravitated towards energy, I guess, and energetic places or roticies,
I'm going to assume that aliens being real, they're going to do the same
thing. And I assume that paranormal things like ghosts obviously I think and scientifically
known that they do feed off of energy, whether that be battery or whatever
the case may be, electrical energy. I think they're gravitated for the same
thing. So when we get into these areas where maybe a lay line is
where there's high energy, you start to see lights in the sky, you
start to see orbs, you start to see or hear disembodied voices, and
you start, you know, having the bigfoot type stuff come around. That's
an interesting theory and thought process because the the time that I mentioned where I
felt the effects of infrasound, which happened to be very similar to the symptoms
felt in haunting cases. Whenever you have high levels of you know, emf
being detected and such, I was actually experiencing paranormal things that night out in
the woods whenever that happened. And I grew up in a house that had
paranormal activity, and I had never felt that before. You know, I
had felt fear on an extreme level. I have had sleep paralysis before,
but other than those type things, I had never felt the same way that
I felt that night in the woods. And the only thing I have to
compare to is infrasound. So looking into infrasound, like you said, gorillas,
you know, tigers, elephants, there's all sorts of things that produce
it. Lots of birds produce infrasound and use it, but none of those
things have the ability to target it specifically at a single individual out of a
group. You know, it's it's sounds, so it kind of radiates out,
and there are certain things that should happen in a scenario if you're being
hit with those levels of infrasound that seem to be missing in situations involving bigfoot.
So that kind of led me to believe that, yes, this could
very much be infrasound, but they're using it in a way that's not normal
for just like your typical wildlife, right, Yeah, it's not like scientifically
understood yet. Yeah, because I've heard of that too, where you know,
it'll be two or three people standing next to each other and all of
a sudden one of them just hits the ground. Yeah, you know,
yeah, it seems and like I understand that, you know, some people
are going to be more sensitive to it than others. But for instance,
if infrasun is traveling through the woods towards you, all the leaves and you
know, just anything that comes into contact with should be like rattling and vibrating
as the sound travels through it, and that doesn't happen. I have one
theory to contradict that, okay, and that's the Rocky Mountains have a lot
of Rocky mountain Douglas fur and pine needles and the hemlock. What if it's
because it's mostly hemlock forest and not so many like leaves, Okay. I
was in East Texas when this happened, okay, and was surrounded by pine
trees. That would track with what you're saying. I mean, I'm sure
it's happened, but I don't I don't really know of any personal infrasound I
would say, targets or anybody being targeted by infrasound somewhere not in a paine
or hemlock forest. I don't know. And I also don't think like it's
necessarily something that someone would look for or pay attention to, you know what
I mean. Right, Yeah, it's not like there's a bigfoot over there.
They have less things, they have more things to worry about, right,
But it's between them, you know. I mean. I was experiencing
all sorts of things. I was seeing all sorts of things. I was
kind of freaked out because I had been to this spot several times before then
and never experienced all these things. It always had a really bad energy feel
to it, right, But that night, you know, I'm experiencing all
these things, and then all of a sudden, I feel extremely sick.
Yeah. I was doing everything I could to pretty much stay conscious. I
had to like lay down in the back seat, and just nothing was helping.
And finally I had to ask the entire group of people that I was
with. There's probably like eight individuals there, and I was like, everybody,
I have to go. And this is in the middle of like a
big foot outing, right, yeah, nobody, nobody wants to be the
party pooper. And I'm just like, hey, I gotta i gotta go.
Something's wrong with me, Like something is seriously wrong, right, And
we left and got about a half mile down the road and I started feeling
fine. Everything was good. I felt drained, you know, very low
energy for the next couple of days, but then everything was good. So
I don't know, it's it's definitely something that we just don't understand you and
I think really the only way we're going to be able to understand it is
is once we can like sit down with a sasquatch and have a Rosetta stone.
Yeah, that's really going to be the only way we can understand it.
I mean, I mean us as like civilians, because I'm sure the
government already knows about it. It's probably old news to them. I like
to talk about all the theory stuff, and I can tell that. You
know, you're a very knowledgeable guy and have had lots of experiences and I've
put a lot of thought to this, but people like to hear the stories
of the encounters and experiences. So let's talk about some of that stuff you
had that first what you feel was a siding, I agree most likely was
a bigfoot. So then just kind of walk us down the timeline what's happened
after that? So that year was a very active year. That Yeah,
there was a lot of things that happened that year, and honestly, there's
it's so crazy for me to try to sit and explain it to somebody,
But I've forgotten about quite a bit of things because there's always quite a lot
of activity going on, and there's so many things happening, and there's so
many finds and discoveries that we make that it's like it's almost overwhelming. So
I'm probably missing some details and I'm probably seeing some stories and and happenings and
stuff like that. But that was that was an active year. The next
year after that, that was again another pretty awesome year. We had,
uh we had heard some vocalizations for like one hundred yards away from camp,
which was incredible. We also had you know, tree breaks happening around us.
We heard, we had trees pushed down that we heard, we had
I'm pretty sure that year we had a sighting. Of course that was about
three seconds from seeing it, but you know, that's that's that's what I
get. So Ashley was out there with us. It was just her and
I. Todd had to go back into town to do something, so it
was just her and I out there, you know, and we're like,
I think I think Brian touched on it pretty well on just how far back
in the woods we are, Yeah, out there, so it's just her
and I. There's nobody else out there, and it's getting dark, and
I'm going to try to remember this correctly. So her and I were sitting
by the campfire and we were actually being assholes. We were joking about,
like why I wish they'd come out and do something, you know, like
it's been quiet the past couple of days, what are y'all doing? Then
like fifteen seconds later, we get a tree pushed over. So her and
I look at each other. We're like, oh my god, that was
so cool, but we're gonna be careful because it could have been a bear,
you know. So I get up and I'm kind of walking over there
because I want to see what's going on. I want to make sure,
you know, like see what it is and just in case it's a threat,
because we need to get you know, like in camper so and you
know, or grab the bear spray or whatever. So we're kind of like
walking up towards the area where we heard it, and like nothing's moving.
We don't hear anything, we don't see anything, it's in that dusk area
where it's just getting dark and your eyes start like just start messing with you.
So we're walking up and we're being like, hey, you know,
like we heard you, you know, just trying to talk to it,
and we heard I heard who, like right where it came from. So
I looked over at Ashley and I was like, oh my god, did
you hear that? And just as I looked at her her face. I
wish I could like, I wish this was like a video podcast, because
there's no way for me to really describe it. I'd have to just react
like she did. But I looked at her. She didn't look at me.
She looked straight ahead and her eyes grew about twice the size and her
mouth open. She just did that ooh, like she just saw a ghost.
Like she turned almost white. And I looked back over and I'm like,
I don't see anything. What happened to look, I'm like, what
just happened? She goes, it just walked across the trail. It's like,
damn it. Two seconds. If I just wouldn't have looked way,
I would have seen it. But that was really cool, and we heard
them walking away. But that was kind of like one of the other almost
instances where I saw it and you can't take that look, you know,
like when when when you see something like that that's literally life changing to people
and you see that reaction in their face, there's no way you're faking that,
you know, Like I know that her eyes weren't playing tricks on her.
It was it was light enough to see, but it was just dark
enough to cover himself. Yeah, So that was that was really cool.
And then what was it this last year Brian and me and my dad saw
the UFO is like crazy. Yeah, that was an insane story man.
Yeah. And uh we had rocks being thrown at us at the campsite and
Brian, actually I've interacted with a sasquatch. That was really cool. We
were we were headed down to one of our trails on the bikes and we
were just leaving the campsite and we heard knock knock, and we all stopped
and looked at each other and he was like, oh my god, did
you hear that. I'm like, yeah, do a whistle or do something
back, So he like did a whistle and we hear knock back, and
like everybody's eyes got really big. I'm like, dude, one more whistle
and if we get a return, we're going over there. You know.
Like that's our new rule is if if you hear something and you get a
response, you just go there. It doesn't matter, doesn't matter if it's
one in the morning or lunchtime, we're going over there. So he did
a whistle and we didn't get a return, and I was like, oh
man, that would have been so cool because we would have It was perfect.
It was the perfect timing, like we really didn't have anything else to
do, so we would have just marched over there. But come to find
out, like later that week, it was one of the last days we
were there, Todd came in and we went for a hike in that area,
which that's over in that area is the boundary between Banff National Park and
Kootney. So we walked onto the cut line and then we walked over the
cut line into bamf and it's old growth forest like like you wouldn't believe,
like massive trees in there. There's no logging access, there's no roads in
there, there's nothing. It's straight old wilderness. So we're just kind of
walking around in there, and then all of a sudden, we come across
this gigantic structure and it's got to be one of the oldest trees I've ever
seen in my life. And I've been in the woods a long time,
and it's probably a two or three hundred year old Douglas fur. Wow.
I'm sorry, Rocky Mountain Douglas firs. It's all of one hundred feet tall,
and it's probably six foot around the base, and there's three telephone hole
like trees leaned in each corner. There's three of them. One we took
compasses and lined it perfectly due north. Wow. The other one on the
other side is perfectly due south. And then the one on the other side
is like like eastern, kind of in an eastern eastern way. It's not
really like precise east or west. But if you look up at the top,
like the tips of the trees that are leaned in are like weaved in
and bent in and around the tree the branches on the tree, and they
kind of like like circle around each other. We dug out around the base
of one of them, and there's no root ball. And on the tree
itself you can see where there's a water line where it was laying down on
the ground dead. So this tree is probably all of a thousand pounds and
something had picked it up off the ground and shoved it into place three times.
The displays of strength are insane sometimes. And there's there's tracks all over
the place. There's a tree break right there, you know, like we
heard sounds like that year. Last year, a lot of things came from
that area, and of course it was like one of the last expeditions we
did is we found I think what they were trying to lead us to.
So what do you think the structure represents to them. I think it's like
you know, Ashley said it best because she was there. I think it's
kind of like paying homage to the tree because it's one of the oldest trees
I've ever seen in my life. I can't imagine there's I can't imagine there's
a lot of them still standing because you know, it's kind of a pretty
wet area. So I feel like with with some heavy winds or just whatever,
you know, erosion happens. You know, they don't stand that long.
And this thing was you know, pretty much perfectly healthy, and I
think it's just one of those rare you know, those rarities that you don't
really find. And I think it was just kind of like, hey,
you know, like we're gonna we're gonna throw these trees as like a monument
to it. You know, it's really interesting that you say that, because
this is something that I don't really talk about. Oh yeah, let's get
into it. Well. I mean, you know, the the limb formations
and tree structures is something that's interesting me for a long time. I have
found some that I you know, there's no explanation. Something had to have
done it. It's not natural at all. And of course, you know,
you have a lot of people speculating as to what these things are used
for and what they represent and everything, which is something that I've argued back
and forth over the years myself. But over time, as my beliefs evolve
whenever it comes to these things, I've started to think, you know,
maybe there's something more to these structures. Maybe these structures aren't something that necessarily
has like a simple use like people think like shelter, for instance. Perhaps
they are symbolic in nature, Perhaps they are religious in nature. Perhaps they
are made based on the spiritual beliefs of these things right, which is also
something that you know, humans have done forever, but whenever it comes to
them, we tend to overlook that aspect. Do you think these creatures,
I mean, I know you do because you've mentioned it, But what about
their spirituality and things like that? Yeah, I think they're I think they're
very spiritual. I think there's you know, like look at the just the
Native Americans just as just as a reference, you know, like they're their
God was Earth. You know, they're the Holy Maybe not the Holy Spirit
I'm saying it wrong, but like the Great Spirit was was that's there.
You know, that's their Odin, that's their Jesus, that's you know,
that's everything to them. And I think it's kind of the same thing.
You know, Honestly, I think a lot. I think the Natives learned
a lot of their stuff off the Sasquatch. I really think they do a
lot of their survival techniques and the things that they do and the way that
they practice their their beliefs. It looks a lot like Sasquatch to me,
But that's a different story anyway. I think I think it's it's very spiritually
based, you know. I I know that you know, they they have
their seasons of just like berry you know, they eat their berries, they
go after their their calories for the fish, you know, and the salmon
runs. They have their l kurds, you know. And I think they're
a lot like wolves where they kind of cull the help the elk out and
the other animals out, like they're not out there just trying to kill everything
and anything. They go after the sick, or they go after the old
or or they go after the bulls that have bread are ready, and they
keep the cows safe, you know, because they need to keep the population
up because they need to feed their kids, you know, and their kids
need to feed their kids. So I think they have it figured out pretty
well. But I think they also understand the very very thin boundary that they
rest on when it comes to the ecosystem. I think they know that,
you know, if something major happens, what that affects entirely, you know.
So I think logging is a very big thing that they they very much
don't like because it offsets so much of the ecosystem and the ecology, and
it really does ruin the area for a while because you know, you cut
all the trees out, there's no root structure, and then you start having
landslides. Landslides go in the rivers, that changes the course of the river,
changing the course of the river. The salmon don't run that way,
you know, Like there's a lot of one thing changes a lot. So
I think that a lot of the times they just you know, that's why
we see a lot of problems with logging. That's why a lot of loggers
have you know, with these guys, because they don't want them to walk,
you know. And it all all stems back to, Okay, well,
if they have this immense knowledge and they have this understanding of how the
ecosystem works and how fragile it is, they have to be sentient in some
sort of way. I mean, absolutely, they don't act like an animal.
There there are times whenever there's very animalistic behavior, you know, especially
whenever it comes into terms of displays to run people out of an area or
whatever. But whenever you start paying attention to their actual behavior or trying to
at least, it goes out of the realm of seeming like you're dealing with
any sort of animal or wildlife, right, it definitely goes into the realm
of a person. You're dealing with a person I agree with you, or
at least the closest thing to it that we have an understanding of. And
I also know that they constantly triangulate. There's where you think there's one,
there's three. Right. There's been times where I have been distracted, and
I shouldn't have been worried about the one I'm looking at. I should be
worried about the one that's behind me, you know, or the one that's
off to the side holding that rock, waiting for me to reach for the
gun. You know, do you take firearms with you out there? Well,
it's Canada, so yeah, I'd advise to always carry a firearm in
Canada for sure. Yees, we're just gonna leave with that. But have
you had any encounters with like bears and stuff while out there? Okay,
so here's here. This is. This is gonna be preposterous to you but
for me, so understand. You know how far out we are, right,
We talked about it a bunch. We're like twenty kilometers down a logging
road, that's twenty k down another logging road that's like two hours from any
town, you know, Like we're out there, right, it's Grizzly Territory.
We have this alley that's on one of the main roads to go in.
It's called Bear Alley. There's bear We have pictures of like one thousand
pound grizzly bears. His name Simba Geez. We like we know the bears
around there. They're there. There's signe of them everywhere. Dude. There's
trees that have been tore up by these grizzlies, you know, like they're
there. I've been there for six weeks, all the same time, all
just before hibernation season when they're trying to get the many calories in where you're
going to find them. They're stripping the berries off the ground. I haven't
seen a single bear. Huh. There's been expeditions before I get there and
after I get there, And remind you, I spend two weeks out there
every year. I go there, and like every day that I'm there,
I'm pretty much in the woods two weeks every year. Haven't seen a single
bear, haven't had one by me, haven't had one near me. The
expedition next they see five of them. So I've done crazy things, you
know, by my I've been out there by myself. Nobody around. It's
just me and I've walked into bear Alley with just a pair of binoculars just
because I needed to test the theory. I need to do something crazy.
The bears do not come around me. That's the only theory I have.
That's the only way I can explain it. Whenever I'm there, the bears
do not come around. I don't really know why. I almost feel protected
in a way, But I don't want to have that egotistical mindset, because
that's how you die. Yeah, Timothy Treadwell, don't exactly. Don't ever
think you can't be taken. But do you think do you think the Bigfoot
have something to do with it? There's really no other explanation for me.
There really isn't because mountain lions don't come around, bears don't come around.
Wolves. You have nothing to worry about with wolves. I've seen plenty.
I have pictures of wolf tracks there with my hand next to them, like,
I'm not worried about wolves because wolves never attack humans. As long as
you don't become a food source and you don't feed them, they won't kill
you. That's a very easy line to not cross. So I literally I
have no concern with the wolves. I do have concern with the mountain lions
and there, but you know that's because they have a history, not so
much around there because they stay away from our camp areas. But even then,
when when I'm bushwhacking out in the wilderness off trail, I should run
into something, yeah, and and I never have. So I mean,
either either I just put off that kind of energy, which I don't think
I do because I'm you know, five foot eight and all of one hundred
and forty pounds, you know, Like, I don't think I have that
that look to me or that energy to me. So to me, it's
almost like they are kind of in a way protecting me, or or maybe
maybe their presence, maybe just being around me is what keeps the bears away.
I don't know. I don't want to be that guy to be like,
oh, you know, sasquatch protecting me. I'd like to think that.
I'd like to think I have that reputation or not the reputation, but
that relationship with them, but I can't say for sure, So I don't
know. It's just it's something that I've noticed over the past three years going
there, and I'm sure when I go there this year, I probably won't
see any either. Is it normally the same group of people that are coming
into this area or do you bring visitors to this area? Yeah, so
about. I don't know what this statistics star are like this year, but
it does fluctuate a lot. When COVID happened, we had it was mostly
just Canadian citizens and people who've already been there. So it's most of the
time it's returned customers, which have turned into being very close friends and pretty
much family at this point because we spend so much time together. And do
you understand into your year in the backwoods of of BC, you know,
you got to get close to the person you're walking behind. You know,
it's not just oh, here's a tree break, here's a footprint. It's
it's a very personal thing. You know, you're spending every waking second with
these people. You know, you're you're sitting around a campfire with him talking
about life and this and that, and you're going on hikes and you know,
you're sharing life experiences and you know, and let's say you do have
an encounter with a sasquatch that brings you guys closer, you know, so
a lot of the times it's it's returned. You know, people who who
who really love the area and love the Sasquatch and have habituated themselves with the
Sasquatch in that area and that in that tribe. We do, however,
bring new people in and uh, you know it, they go through a
vetting process. So like you know, if you reach out to Todd,
he's gonna call you, you know, if he has an opening, you
know, he'll talk to you and just kind of see just feel you out
basically, just like just like meeting somebody on the street, You're just gonna
feel them out before you can write them into their house, right sure,
because we don't want people that are going to go in there and destroy it
or you know, let it be known where it is to everybody in the
world. So we have you know, a thousand people show up in the
news and this and that. It's the last thing we want, you know,
we we we want people who are responsible. We want people who have
a good background. We want people who are you know, open minded and
willing to learn and you know that aren't really gonna be freaked out at every
little sound they hear, you know, like they need to be in some
aspect, they need to be rugged because you know, we're going on ten
mile hikes. You know, you're gonna scratch your knee, You're gonna you're
gonna you might spring your ankle. Yeah, you know, like there's things
that happen out in the woods, and we need to know that you're gonna
be okay, you know. So there's a there's a vetting process that you
have to go through in order to really even be considered to come out.
Has anybody had a negative experience whenever they were out there. There's been a
few stories that I've heard where, you know, like it just wasn't what
they expected. And I get that. I mean, you can't expect the
Sasquatch to come out and ride a unicycle for everybody, you know. So,
uh, there's there's those kind of people, but there's also the ones
who, you know, they take it very very seriously. And there's one
story of I think a Native tracker went out with Todd and they're they're way
back out out in the backcountry out there, like off trail, and they
come across, uh a sasquatch impression, like a footprint, and the guy's
at tracker, like from you know, like a native community. He's looking
at it and he's studying it, and he's looking around. He goes,
okay, home please. Then Todd's like what He's like, yeah, they're
they're real. I want to go home. He goes, well, you're
like two days in we have an three days. No, take me home,
Like it's fine. I don't want to be out here. This thing
is like a thousand pounds. We don't know anything about it. You don't
know where it eats, where it sleeps, what it does. We're out
in the middle of nowhere. Literally, we don't know where these things are.
We don't know where this one is. I want to go home.
So there's there's been some times, you know, Yeah, I mean I
get it, though, I get it if you're going out there to find
out, you know, definitively if they're real or not, and if you
really know your stuff and you're convinced that's not for everyone. Not everybody wants
to stay out there and play with them. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm
crazy enough to sleep outside. Yeah no thanks, no thanks. Has there
been any what you would consider aggressive encounters? Yeah, I mean they've they've
bluff charged Todd a couple of times, you know, and it's that's mainly
just because he gets a little bit too close to their domicile and they don't
really like that. So you know, that's that's kind of expected a lot
of the times. If there is any negative encounters, it's because they don't
come around. That's that's pretty much the extent of it. So like,
let's say you go out there with kind of any sort of ill intent or
maybe not. You're you're not open minded, or you're just very doubtful and
you're untrusting, or you're maybe you're stunt trustworthy, and they can tell to
see that they're just not going to come around, you know. So about
the worst that could happen is nothing. How much are people paying to come
out there, So there's there's a lot to it. It's not just you
know, like, oh, come out and I think chemic trip. So
understand that it takes a very big toll on vehicles just to get out there.
It's a three and a half hour drive, fuels expensive in Canada.
We got to go basically forty kilometers down a dirt road with potholes and logging
trucks and rocks and boulders and hills and everything like that. Cars get beat
up very quick. We go through about a suspension, an entire suspension a
season because we're out there every other week, you know. So you're talking
about a lot of miles. You're talking about a lot of wear. You
got tires, you got brakes, you got suspension parts, you got gas,
you got you know, to and from the airport, picking people up.
There's there's a lot of things just involved in picking somebody up from the
airport and driving them out there. Yeah. Yeah, so you know,
now you have Okay, we're out there. There was a lot of time
and energy put into finding the research area and developing it. Now we have
campers put out out there, so we had to tow them out there and
buy them to put them out there so people were comfortable. Yeah, we
have starlink out there. We have generators, We have five thousand dollars apiece.
I think we have five of them, electric bikes to get people around,
firewood to bring out there. Chairs. We provide all the meals.
We provide all the food, we provide all the drinks. We do a
shopping trip before we go out every trip, you know, and we don't
get fucking you know, we don't get yodels, we don't get cosmic brownies.
You know, we get good food. We get stuff that's healthy,
We get stuff that's going to make you feel better. We get granola bars
and cliff bars and you know, fresh fruit all that stuff. So you
know, that's kind of an expensive thing right there, just just prepping for
a week for food, especially in Canada where the prices are much higher than
you'd think. And then you got pro paine and all the other things that
involve just being there, you know, and then okay, now you need
all your hiking shoes and your clothes, and you need your backpack, and
you need your binoculars, and you need your camping gear, and you need
your first aid kits and all of that. GPS units are like three four
hundred dollars a piece. You have to pay one hundred dollars or two hundred
dollars a month for some of the subscriptions just so you can hit the red
button in an SOS so they send a helicopter to you. You know,
there's a lot of things to it, and then just our time, you
know, like if I do an expedition, I have to. I have
to leave Florida, fly to Canada and take a week offul work to do
this expedition, you know. So and and there's a lot of things that
I've learned, and there's a lot of things that I know that somebody else
may not, you know. And that's that's kind of my job being somebody
who joins the expeditions now and somebody who guides people. I need to know
these things. I need to know what to do in these scenarios and how
to react and how to you know, basically if somebody gets hurt, how
to how to how to help them, you know. So it's not just
all let's go for you know, a weekend in the woods. It's there's
a lot to it, and there's a lot of overhead because of it.
And that's why we charge as much as we do, because understand that,
you know, just because you're spending you know, twenty five hundred and three
thousand dollars for a week, doesn't mean you're not getting anything out of it,
you know. And and that's that's just our overhead. That's really just
covering our overhead. So the person just has to pay for their travel expenses
to and from the airport or wherever. Yep, and then cover you know,
they bring their own clothes and everything, but everything else is essentially provided
pretty much. Yep. Yeah, I my expeditions are a little bit cheaper
because you know, I'm not todd standing, so my you know, I
gave Brian a deal that I don't think I'll ever be able to match unless
it's like you know, Jeff Meldrum, you know, like it's the only
time I'd ever charge that little. And that was literally just so that like
I didn't you know, lose out on a week's worth of pay, you
know, a home. I literally just charge them what I what I make
at work. To put this in perspective for someone that's listening and falling out
of their chair. In Africa, you can go on a gorilla sightseeing trip.
What this gets you is you provide your own travel to basically a base
camp where there are rangers there. So you have to get to Africa to
begin with, you know, however much that costs. You go to the
base camp, you have a little group of people that get together, you
know, the rangers go over the safety precautions with them. You divide into
groups. You are then transported, you know, basically on a bus or
taxi to a remote area. You get out, you hike out into the
forest. You have essentially one or two guides with you that have like machetes
and everything, and they take you into the forest and basically bushwhack you back
there and find the gorillas and you get to hang out with the gorillas for
a while and then hike back home, back to the buses, back to
base camp, and then you're done. It takes it's around a two to
three hour process, I believe, the whole thing, and that costs on
average three thousand per person. And there's no guarantee that you'll see the gorillas,
but gorillas are something that's completely documented and they essentially know right where they're
going to be and walk you straight there. So three hours for three thousand
dollars to see some gorillas or a week long experience where everything is covered and
you have the chance to encounter something that will change your life forever. Yeah.
So that, uh, I agree with you, and obviously I'm right
there with you, But I want to take the Sasquatch out the out of
the equation just for a second, because I want people to understand that it's
not just about the Bigfoot. Okay, So you're coming out to British Columbia,
Canada and the Rocky Mountains, right. I love nature. I love
the woods, I love the mountains, I love the views. So let's
just take a vacation. Let's just say we're taking a vacation to Canada,
to the Rocky Mountains, into Bank National Park. The water is blue from
the glaciers. It is the best water you could ever drink in your life.
It's the most beautiful scenery you'll ever see in your life. It's stocked
full of animals and habitats. For the animals, you can see anything from
ground squirrels and birds to grizzly bears and everything in between. Just going there
for the week is a spiritual reset for you because you're literally just You go
out there and you drink the water. You get in the water, you
feel you breathe in the air. It's all pine forest, amazing smells.
You get the dirt in your hands, you get the dirt on your feet,
you go barefoot. It's just you forget about paying your credit card bill.
You know, it's not about that anymore. It's reconnecting with nature.
And once you reconnect with nature, and once you get to that, you
fall back in love with nature. That's when the Sasquatch come around, because
that's what they want. They want us to be in love with the earth
because that's why they are, you know, they want us to get on
that mindset where this is absolutely gorgeous. I don't want to hurt a fly.
I love everything about this, and you're just super at peace. That's
when they come around. So you're not just paying to see a bigfoot.
You're paying for a vacation that ultimately re sets you and makes you become a
healthier person and you see things a little bit differently. You know, it's
not just getting up baking coffee, you know, driving to work, flipping
people off, hating your job, coming home, getting killed at by the
wife, anything like that. It's not bad anymore. You're you wake up
and it's just nature. You hear the birds singing, you know, you
go we use the bathroom outside, you know, like everything is that,
everything is. It's all just outdoors. You go for bike rides and beautiful
scenery, the mountains, the snow caps, like the wildlife. It is.
It's just it's I can't really, I can't really describe it. You
just have to. And I take picre. I have a thousand pictures of
places that I've been to ten times. It's just you just can't get over
that beauty, you know. So if if you remove sasquatch from from you
know, from the mixture entirely, you're paying three thousand dollars for a week
in Banf National Park, you know, And I think I think that's a
very reasonable price regardless. And that's that's being chauffeured around and not having to
worry about anything. That's everything taken care of for you. You know.
That's why we we don't have a problem saying that's you know, that's what
that's what the cost is, you know. And it also weeds out the
people that we don't really want to be either, you know, because you
don't want somebody who can just not appreciate it right and not care and throw
beer cans around and can you know, like destroy our stuff. You know,
that's not the kind of people we want. So it kind of works
hand in hand that way, and the price helps do that as well.
I mean, that's that's also something that I'm sure, Todd has factored in
to set the price at a level where it will weed out some of the
people that are just wanting to go control, you know, or find where
the area is or whatever exactly. And the people who are going to spend
that money are going to be seri about it, and they're can be open
minded enough about it to be like, Okay, you know, I'm going
to spend this money, it's going to be for something. Are you aware
of any scenarios where somebody you know, paid the money, they've never been
there before, they go on the trip and they have a siding. Yeah,
yeah, that's happened. Yeah, No, that's happened. Probably.
I don't know how many, but I know that there's a lot that's happened
quite a bit. Wow, there's one guy, Darren. Yeah, that
happened. He well, actually my dad. Yeah, my dad's a perfect
example. Never seen a sasquatch as while if he's fifty five. I took
him out third day there. He went out at night to go to the
bathroom and he was about thirty feet away from one standing there looking at him.
Wow. Yeah, it's happened. How did your father react to that?
He didn't know what to do. He actually started getting closer than he's
like, well, maybe if this is mad at me, or if this
is a bear for some reason, I probably shouldn't be getting closer to it.
Yeah, talking about getting caught with your pants down. Yeah, yeah,
pretty much. So. Brian actually did a video in the spot the
next morning with my dad, so if you go on his channel you can
see it. You talked about the campers that you guys have set up there.
Do they ever come up and like bang on the campers or rock them
or anything? Yeah, yeah, we actually have a Todd has a picture
of a handprint on the window. It's got dermal ridges and everything. It's
like fingerprints. I wanted to ask you, since you were there, if
I could hear your perspective of the UFO event that you guys witnessed. Oh
yeah, so that was that was wild. So I like, I grew
up in the Catskills. There's not a lot of light filtration out there,
especially you know, in the town I'm from. I spent a lot of
time looking up. I know what planes look like, I know what satellites
look like. I know what weird things look like because I've seen UFOs up
there, and and so we're all out there and there's just seems not They're
glowing like light blue orbs. And I never forget it because I had binoculars
and I was looking at them through my like very expensive set of binoculars because
I wasn't doing that whole thing on the first expedition again as a set of
vortex binoculars, not messing around. So I'm zoomed in on these things streaking
across the sky and they're not They're just glowing. They're not blinking. They're
not flashing like satellites or like starlink or like like a plane wood. They're
just blue orbs just shooting streaking across the sky. And one was moving like
a certain speed, and another one would kind of like intercept it from a
different angle, from a different part of the horizon, going faster, which
means that they're probably not in the same you know, like I would assume
that they're either just not in the same height range. They're not like in
the stratosphere or whatever. Maybe you can travel faster, I know you can
travel faster outside of are what's it called atmosphere or atmosphere thank you, And
so like I understand that, but also if they were the same, if
they were both satellites, you think they'd be going the same speed. They
weren't. They also don't make ninety degree corrections, not satellites. No.
So I watched one and it was moving straight and then it made like a
forty five degree correction in a st like just just not without slowing down,
without stopping and turning, just boop, just forty five And then it went
for another probably a couple thousand miles and then turned again kind of in like
a twenty twenty five degree angle, like it didn't turn much. Brian watched
one go straight and without missing a beat or slowing down to a forty five
degree angle, and justo, we saw like fifteen or sixteen different different balls
that we're all moving in different directions at different speeds and changing their course multiple
times during our view of them. You mentioned having seen UFOs out there before.
Do you think that's just due to, you know, the lack of
ambient light, or do you think there's something drawing them to the area.
I think it's both, But I think there's also another factor we're not considering,
and that's the amount of people out there. You know, I think
that I think it's the energy source there. I think it's the lack of
the light that enables us to see them. But I also think that because
there's so little people out there, that they kind of get away with it
and they don't have to, you know, get tracked by the US government
every time they fly over. I think they are regardless, but still,
you know, I think there's just less less of a risk. Have you
guys experienced anything that you would consider, you know, bigfoot, woo or
paranormal like mind speak or cloaking or anything. Uh, no cloaking for me,
but mine speak definitely. There was a So I didn't tell a todd
about this because I didn't want it to be you know, I didn't want
it to be planned or anything like that. So I've had pretty much virtually
everything except what's it? We were just talking about it and for sound happened
to me. I've had whoops, I've been trees pushed down, I've seen
them, I've I've had everything. I've heard everything right. The one thing
that hasn't happened to me was a rock being thrown at me. Right,
but never, It's never happened, And that was kind of like a subconscious
like I want that to happen, you know, that's like one of the
only things that hasn't happened to me. So one morning it was just Todd
and I out there, woke up and uh we heard we heard a couple
of wood knocks, and you know, it was like nine o'clock in the
morning and o'clock in the morning. So we're like, yeah, let's go
over there. So like I'm still in pajamas. It's like whatever. So
we walk over in the tree line and one thing that if you've gone out
there with me and you know about me, is I love bunch berries.
They're my favorite berry and I always look for them. I'll stop people on
an expedition just to kneel down and eat bunch berries. I love them,
don't care. So we're just walking through and he goes, oh, right
here, and I'm like, what do you mean, Oh, there's a
being forest floor full of bunch berries. Like I'm good, I'll be right
here. So's he's like fifteen twenty feet away from me, and we're just
kneeling down. I'm loading up on bunch berries and having a great time,
not a care in the world and he's like kneeling down. I look over
to him. I'm like, do you want some you know, like what
are you doing? And he like he just didn't look okay. I was
like, dude, are you good? And he goes he looks up at
me and goes watched this and I'm like what. And all of a sudden,
you'd hear like a rock come flying through the tree line and land about
fifteen feet behind him. I was like, what just happened? What was
that? Like, you know, you know when you throw a rock through
a tree, like it hits the branches and you hear it bounce off some
stuff. Like it didn't fall out of the sky, but it had an
arc pattern where like it came from a ways away and just like went through
a couple of tree tops and landed right behind him. And I found that
rock and it's in the camper right now. I found that rock that was
really and it was like the perfect size, Like it wasn't like a baseball
size. It was probably it was like a quarter of the size of a
baseball. You know. It's hit that like kind of oblong length where like
it was chunky enough you could toss it aways if you wanted to, you
know, And so that was. And I didn't tell him that I wanted
a rock to be thrown at me. So I told him. I was
like, oh my god, that's I've never had a rock thrown to me,
Like I wanted that to happen. He goes, yeah, dude,
I was literally like I felt weird and I just like somebody spoke through me,
like something was like watch this and just all of a sudden, that
happened. He's like, I hadn't. I didn't think it. I didn't
want to say it. I didn't try, like, I didn't know you
wanted a rock thrown at me, like whatever, no idea. And I
didn't tell him, so there's no way he would have known. And it
was like there's nobody over there, It's just him and I, you know.
So that was that was That was the defining moment of Definite, like
tell it telepathy. You know that happened there early in the show. You
know, I asked you about the videos and you being all in on them,
and you said, you know they are. Yeah, how did you
reach that conclusion? Well, nobody's proven him wrong, and you know understand
that he's never changed his story. He's never he's never swayed his opinion.
He's to this day, twenty years later, he's still out there actively trying
to get footage and actively putting the message out there that the real you know,
and and he stands by it, and he'll never sit there and say
he's never Like. I've done interviews with his sister, who was supposedly and
you know, quote unquote a makeup design artist, which is complete and total
bullshit because you can go on YouTube and watch the interview I did with her,
like she just knew how to sew if anything. I've been to his
house, I've been in his campus, I've been in his cars. I
I know him. He's never come out and goo, here's a mask.
You know, here's fucking Jake. He doesn't have any. He like,
the best makeup artists in the world can't make that, and if they could,
they'd have made it already. No nobody's made a mask as good as
Jake, as realistic, in as animatronic as Jake. I don't understand too
the spot that he would have had to hike a three hundred pound animatronic head
into to set this up, to make it look realistic, is unfathomable.
He doesn't have the he can't do it. There's no way. The like
the makeup artists from Hollywood or whatever production company you could think of, they
don't have the funding to make a mask like that. And it's not even
a mask, like it blinks, it moves, you see it, like
nose flares, like it's not just a fucking a Walmart mask that he put
on, you know, like it's a real being. There's no way around
it. There's no way it could be fake, Absolutely no way. And
I think of the problem that people have too with it is it looks so
realistic and it looks so human like that we don't have any anything to compare
to, you know, like a gorilla. It looks different from us.
All right, okay that whatever that makes sense, you know, And we
still gave people shit about it until we actually made the discovery scientifically and habituated
with them. It's the same thing with sasquatch. They just look they share
DNA with us. They're actually more hominid than us. The DNA shows they're
more hommond to us, and you can ask Jeff Meldrum about that. I'm
not I don't know enough about DNA, but I know that's the case.
If they are, if they're more Hormini than us, of course they're gonna
look like us, you know. So another thing too, is they they
look similar to us, but they look different from each other, just like
I look different from you, you look different from a guy down the street.
We have our characteristics and we have you know, our our blood line
and stuff. That's why they look different. But they look so similar to
us. And you can't fake that. You can't. You can't turn that
into a mask. You can't show those you know, those facial structures,
especially if you don't know what you're doing. I can't draw anything, you
know, Like I don't have the artistic ability to make anything like that,
you know. And and a I wasn't even out then, so you can't
say it was AI and uh. Todd also brought the all his footage,
all the raw footage off the SD card that he recorded it onto to like,
uh, what's it called the videographers who like they can they can break
down the video and look at the different layers of it and everything and see
if something's been like dubbed in or filled over top of or added on top
of or any effect like computer wise, and there's there's no altercation to the
footage, right, which means it wasn't c g I either. So if
it was a real footage, you know, out in the woods with with
with no computer analog or anything that has to do with it, and it
moves, and he doesn't have the the makeup artist, uh oh, whatever
you want to call it, if he doesn't have the skills to do that.
And it's also been twenty years since he's took that video, and nobody's
come out and said, oh yeah I made the mask or oh yeah this
or that. Nobody said anything. Everybody just tries to debunk it because they
only have footage. They don't have any physical proof. Event there's no way
it can be fake, right, because let's say that Todd hired somebody,
Right, Let's say he hired some special effects makeup artist to make that mask,
would have been like freaking four hundred, probably have a million dollars to
make something maybe close to that. He doesn't have the money for that.
There's no way he's going to pay somebody to do that. And if he
didn't pay somebody to do it, they wouldn't have made it. And if
he did, pay somebody to do it, and they said, even if
they signed an NDA right that they're only good for five or ten years.
So why not come out and say, yeah, I made it, here's
the receipt. Like I said, you're not here to defend Todd. I
feel it my obligation to say that there was a film project that Todd was
working on that's known. He was putting together a Bigfoot film that was not
a documentary but sort of a reenactment type film based on true events, we'll
say, and that there was a makeup effects guy that was hired to work
on that project. They had a falling out. It was never said what
the falling out was over to my knowledge, I just know that they parted
ways and that the maskmaker guy was not happy with Todd for whatever reason.
Not even going to speculate that that person. That individual did pass away,
so if he was responsible, he wouldn't be able to clear the air about
it or come forward about it because he is deceased. And I know that
two professional makeup people involved in the effects industry, one who works for wedd
to Walk workshops and has done films like Kong and Lord of the Rings believes
the faces are not real, that they are manufactured as well as a Bigfoot
costume maker has also put his credentials on the line saying that he thinks they
are fake. Now, those are just opinions. I've heard the same thing
about the Patterson film a thousand times. You know, there's all kinds of
rumors about that. But in my opinion, you're absolutely correct. They have
never been proven or debunked or anything else. And I think it's you know,
the way I look at it now too, is Todd had to be
a certain person or to go get that footage, right, Like, understand
what that man had to go through to acquire that footage. So now look
at all the backlash and all the hatred he's got just from that, right,
I feel like that's a huge discouragement to anybody in the field who wants
to get footage, because you're just gonna look at be looked at as a
hoaxer and a fraud and a liar. Regardless if your footage is real or
not. There's no way to prove that it's real. So how am I
supposed to go? Like me personally? How am I supposed to go under
Todd's wing and get footage and not be looked at as a hoaxer, right
right? You know, how is anybody gonna go get footage and then not
be analyzed down to the frickin' leaf on the ground, you know, like
everybody's so toxic about the footage. And granted, you know, there's a
lot of AI coming out now that some people who I will not mention,
have have been helping with the development of the graphics and how you know,
the bigfoot look, and I think that's going to do very bad things for
the bigfoot community, especially when it comes to trying to validate real Sasquatch footage
from AI or fake. But that's another thing we're gonna worry about too.
You know, at what point is it going to be enough? At one
point is there going to be a piece of footage where you can look at
it and go, Yep, there's no faking that, that's one hundred percent
real. Sasquatch is real. What's it going to take? I don't think
it's possible. Not in today's times. You would have to bring in a
body. Yeah, and I'm very anti killed too, but yeah, I
think the people that are best suited to do that, that would actually have
the capabilities of doing that, are knowledgeable enough about these things that they don't
want to do it, they will not do it. Yeah, you know
too, like understand, you know, if they're you know, they're not
just dumb apes. We know that they're sentient, we know that they have
feelings, we know that they have, you know, traits like humans.
I don't want to see somebody killed just to prove a point. No,
I think that's fing ridiculous. So why should we kill a species that we
don't even know how many of a population there is just to prove that it's
real. Did we have to kill a gorilla to prove that it was real?
Let's look at the Tasmanian devil or the Tasmanian tiger whatever it was called,
the yeah, you know the name, Yeah, the thylacine. Okay,
let's say that there was two left on the earth. Are you going
to shoot the one just to show that they're real? I think that's pretty
uh, irresponsible, absolutely, you know, especially if if they're not,
if you know, like if they could, if they have their own religion
and they were sentient, they have they have rights, you know, and
at what point too, think about it? If there's a tribe of them,
right, you can't go into the Amazon and kill a tribe member and
walk out. That's not how that works. You're gonna die. It's the
same thing with the Sasquatch. And I actually there wasn't an argument on Facebook.
I was talking to this guy who commented on I think it was one
of like Brian's pages or something like that, and he said, you know,
we're gonna have to get a body in order to prove it, and
I disagree with that. So I stated my opinions on it, and you
know, it's a very cordial, you know, conversation. And I appreciate
people who can be cordial on Facebook, you know, And I wasn't trying
to be smarter like that. But the reality situation is, I know they're
always triangulating. Even if you have six guys going their arms of the teeth
and you do manage to shoot one, is it worth the life of any
one of those men who have a family, who have parents, who has
you know, kids, Is it worth their life just to prove it?
What about what about the other two guys who probably got seriously hurt. Okay,
now let's let's say that all as well. You shot one, you
maybe lost a couple of guys, You got the body out somehow. Now
you make a phone call and go, I got a big foot body.
Who do you think is going to show up the government. They're going to
take that, They're going to silence you, and it's going to be washed
under the table. So now these men died and got seriously wounded for nothing.
I will agree to the fact that it would take a body to prove
it, but I'm okay with it not being proven in a perfect In a
perfect world, I want one to just walk out of the woods with somebody
with or without whatever, walk out of town or walk out of the woods,
walk into town and just sit down, let people walk up and touch
them and whatever and get pictures and let the news show up, and then
let them just walk back into the woods and never be seen again. I
think that might be all that we would need in all reality. Yeah,
but that would be unfortunately disastrous for them I think as a species. Yeah,
but understand too that we're destroying so much of their habitat with the logging
that something needs to be done. Otherwise they're going to lose their habitat,
and I believe Todd has worked on that in the past. Another point for
Todd, I don't know too many hoaxers that try to get them legally proven
to exist and protected, and he has done that. Yeah. Well,
Kyle, I appreciate you joining me and sharing some of your insight. I'd
like to have you back sometime. Man. I think you got a whole
lot more to offer. Oh my god, I can talk for hours about
this. Thank you for taking the time to have me on and I appreciate
you listening and just kind of let me ramble. Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely.
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