Dogman & Bigfoot Encounters in the Pine Barrens | Swampdog's True Story of Survival

<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, and welcome to another Sasquatch Theory podcast. On
<v Speaker 1>today's episode, we have Swampdog from the state of New
<v Speaker 1>Jersey and he has some really chilling and terrifying encounters
<v Speaker 1>to share with everyone. Swamp Dog has had several bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>encounters in and around the pine barrens in New Jersey.
<v Speaker 1>Swamp Dog shares an experience where a sasquatch was moving
<v Speaker 1>through the woods and he said it sounded like a
<v Speaker 1>bulldozer and it was screaming its head off as it moved.
<v Speaker 1>He would interact with a group of three sasquatch creatures
<v Speaker 1>when he would be bowhunting in the forest. Despite the
<v Speaker 1>terrifying screams and these things charging at him through the woods,
<v Speaker 1>he claims that they were mainly peaceful and they were
<v Speaker 1>just being territorial. What he experienced later on in life
<v Speaker 1>would truly terrorize his thoughts forever. This is a battle
<v Speaker 1>for survival and swamp Dog claims he would dismiss people
<v Speaker 1>who would bring up the dog man topic and he
<v Speaker 1>later runs into these creatures himself. If you guys enjoy
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<v Speaker 1>With all that being said, let's dive into swamp dogs
<v Speaker 1>crypted encounters from the state of New Jersey. All right,
<v Speaker 1>swamp Dog, welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today.
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing real good. Thank you for putting me on
<v Speaker 2>your show there. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it's a pleasure to finally speak with you, swamp Dog.
<v Speaker 1>If you would tell me a little bit about yourself
<v Speaker 1>and your cryptid encounters from the very beginning. Please.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, everybody in the cryptor world they call me swamp Dog.
<v Speaker 2>I live in uh you know, southern New Jersey around
<v Speaker 2>the Cumany County area. Uh I'm not too far away
<v Speaker 2>from the pine barrens that you know. We have over
<v Speaker 2>a million acres out here in the pine barons. And
<v Speaker 2>uh also, uh you know, I live around Farmland and
<v Speaker 2>it's a real well univerbal place. And uh I'm a
<v Speaker 2>bowhunter and uh I'm always in the woods and uh
<v Speaker 2>I was to do. I also do like a lot
<v Speaker 2>of uh you know, fishing and stuff. I mean in
<v Speaker 2>the Bay area off the Jersey Shore and all that.
<v Speaker 2>And uh it's like I said, I'm always in the woods,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I've been uh my first encounter, well
<v Speaker 2>you know what bigfoot was, you know, Paul of about
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine. That was the first time I ever
<v Speaker 2>seen one and that was about one hundred yards away
<v Speaker 2>from it. That was a senior in high school. Well,
<v Speaker 2>I mean when that happened in the fall.
<v Speaker 1>So okay, would you tell me what you were doing
<v Speaker 1>that day and how everything unfolded?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me and my best friend. Uh, there was an
<v Speaker 2>abandoned you know airport here in Violin. That's the time
<v Speaker 2>I live in Violin. There's abandoned airport. And give me
<v Speaker 2>behind the abandoned airport, like in the backside of it,
<v Speaker 2>like it used to be like an entrance, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>we used to hang out out there, you know, make
<v Speaker 2>like campfires and you know, me to do what teenagers
<v Speaker 2>do in the senior year of high school. And uh
<v Speaker 2>so what happened was now give me this is one
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite stories because it also involved my you know,
<v Speaker 2>follow in law seven eight years later down the roads.
<v Speaker 2>But you're gonna get kicked out of this one. It
<v Speaker 2>was about it was it was about eight nine, ten
<v Speaker 2>o'clock at night, and uh, I picked up but well,
<v Speaker 2>you know my girlfriend and my best friend he picked
<v Speaker 2>up his girlfriend, and you know, we headed out there
<v Speaker 2>to meet and we were hanging out and uh and
<v Speaker 2>so about I don't know, about a half hour. I
<v Speaker 2>could remember the time, right, like you mean, in the
<v Speaker 2>half hour that we've been there. I looked up because
<v Speaker 2>I mean I had a point of a bug in
<v Speaker 2>at Pierrero and then my friend of mine he had
<v Speaker 2>a he had a Camaro, and uh, you know, we
<v Speaker 2>always had to be careful because our our dirt and
<v Speaker 2>our trails is like they call it, like uh uh oh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, sugar sand. So you know, since our car
<v Speaker 2>was low, we didn't want to ever get stuck. So
<v Speaker 2>you know, we had a going there pretty quick so
<v Speaker 2>we don't get stuck. So anyway, so so you know,
<v Speaker 2>we were there for about a half hour and uh, up, up,
<v Speaker 2>give me behind the land of this airport, there was
<v Speaker 2>a big hill, I don't know, probably about eight nine
<v Speaker 2>feet tall, give me the hill. And I looked up
<v Speaker 2>at the hill and I see something, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>pacing right to left, left to right, and I was like,
<v Speaker 2>the heck is that? And uh, I thought, you mean,
<v Speaker 2>at first I thought was a big person, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, because it was about being a pretty
<v Speaker 2>big guy. And uh. I got hold of my friend
<v Speaker 2>and I said, you know, what's that over there? And
<v Speaker 2>uh He's like, I don't know, some guy walking back
<v Speaker 2>and forth. He looked pretty mad, and I said, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so well give me. We kept looking at him, and
<v Speaker 2>then I'm starting to realize. I'm starting to realize this
<v Speaker 2>thing was about seven eight feet tall, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean This, I mean, you know, for what for
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, I'm six too, and do me. This
<v Speaker 2>thing was, you know, way bigger than me. And I
<v Speaker 2>was I was, like him, dumbfounded, and uh so, you
<v Speaker 2>mean we kept looking at it, and we kind of
<v Speaker 2>took like, on don't know, four or five steps towards
<v Speaker 2>this thing, and that's when it stopped and it looked
<v Speaker 2>at us and made some kind of noise, and then
<v Speaker 2>they started pacing back and forth, back and forth, right
<v Speaker 2>to left left to right, you know. And our first
<v Speaker 2>we thought was, you know, I mean, but even somebody
<v Speaker 2>living out in the woods but this thing was way
<v Speaker 2>too big to be a person. So h So we're
<v Speaker 2>looking at this thing, and the girls, you know, they
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to get in the cars and leave, and
<v Speaker 2>we just stand at this thing. And then like all
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, as we're looking at this thing on
<v Speaker 2>the right of us, but uh, there was like a
<v Speaker 2>little tree line and we heard, like, all, give me
<v Speaker 2>a big French you know, a snap and it sounded
<v Speaker 2>like a gunshot. You give me like a shotgun. And
<v Speaker 2>when we heard that, we jumped in their cars and
<v Speaker 2>we took off. Now where I ever was my boy
<v Speaker 2>of mind. He got stuck, well not stuck, but I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you know, well, well he did get stuck. And I
<v Speaker 2>looked behind him, and like I said, the sand is
<v Speaker 2>like you mean, it's like a sugary sand, and we're
<v Speaker 2>just panicing trying to get out of there. I drove
<v Speaker 2>around him because if I didn't, I probably would have
<v Speaker 2>got stuck too. And then and then you know, finally
<v Speaker 2>he got unstuck, and uh, and then we left there.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, that's that's my first encounter to me with
<v Speaker 2>a big foot. That was I believe he was between
<v Speaker 2>seven and a half eight feet tall and then we
<v Speaker 2>have I mean the one that you know broke the
<v Speaker 2>branch that you mean behind us, I mean a little
<v Speaker 2>tree line. We never seen him. All we did was
<v Speaker 2>hear and like I said, when he broke the branch,
<v Speaker 2>I guess that. Guess sounded like a shotgun went off,
<v Speaker 2>So you know, so I mean that right there, and
<v Speaker 2>then I kind of knew what it was, you know.
<v Speaker 2>But but you know, fast forward, I say, uh, you know,
<v Speaker 2>seven eight years I had met my wife and and uh, um,
<v Speaker 2>I guess her father he was He was born and
<v Speaker 2>raised in Violent. Also I didn't notice at the time,
<v Speaker 2>but when I went to go meet him, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I want to go meet her parents. Give me we're
<v Speaker 2>having coffee and you know, and then the bey goes
<v Speaker 2>over the table stuff, and uh that's scause. I never
<v Speaker 2>told my wife this, like she was my girlfriend at
<v Speaker 2>the time. But you mean I never told my wife
<v Speaker 2>what had happened that that fall of eighty nine, so
<v Speaker 2>you mean out of the blue. But you know, she
<v Speaker 2>tells her dad, He said, dad, Uh you mean, tell
<v Speaker 2>tell swamp what what happened to you when you were
<v Speaker 2>when you went camping back there? Give me mind that
<v Speaker 2>area and uh he really didn't want to talk about it, so,
<v Speaker 2>you mean, she kept telling me tell me. So he said,
<v Speaker 2>when he was a teenager, like you know, fourteen fifteen
<v Speaker 2>years old, I think it was him and his buddies
<v Speaker 2>used to go camping back there in the same area
<v Speaker 2>where I had my first encounter. And he said, one
<v Speaker 2>night they made a campfire, and you know, they were
<v Speaker 2>cooking hot dogs and stuff like over the fire, and
<v Speaker 2>I guess he looked back up in the was in
<v Speaker 2>a tree line, and it was basically the same area
<v Speaker 2>where I seen my encounter. He said, there was an
<v Speaker 2>eight foot a creature, he said, and he never said
<v Speaker 2>it was bigfoot. He said it was like an eight
<v Speaker 2>foot a creature and it was like standing there looking
<v Speaker 2>at him as they were like around the campfire. And
<v Speaker 2>when they and when they stood up to get a
<v Speaker 2>better look at this thing, I started walking down that hill,
<v Speaker 2>the ones like I'm telling you about. And as they
<v Speaker 2>were starting to come down that hill, that's when they
<v Speaker 2>ran away. So when he said that, and I asked him,
<v Speaker 2>is that the same place for this where the airport
<v Speaker 2>used to be and all that stuff, And he said, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because that's where they used to go camping. And I
<v Speaker 2>didn't say nothing about my encounter. I was just like dumbfounded,
<v Speaker 2>Like you know what I mean, because this happened, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I'm guessing what was like in the late
<v Speaker 2>forties or early or early about fifties. So whatever I saw,
<v Speaker 2>he saw you back in the day. So you mean,
<v Speaker 2>that's why that's why I say that this is my
<v Speaker 2>favorite by give me my encounter, you know what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, yeah, that's incredible. It's amazing when you hear
<v Speaker 1>other people's encounters and you find out it's in the
<v Speaker 1>same area where you had that encounter up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that kind of freaked me out a little bit
<v Speaker 2>because to me, I never told anybody about this, And
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess my friend he never said anything either,
<v Speaker 2>But jim me, that's that's what kind of woke me up,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like you know to these things.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, like, give me to that, give
<v Speaker 2>me to that encounter, give me what happened to me,
<v Speaker 2>because he's seen it. This was eighty nine and like
<v Speaker 2>when I seen it, like in that area and when
<v Speaker 2>he was talking about probably like that, like I said,
<v Speaker 2>the late forties or early fifties, that's when they had
<v Speaker 2>the encounter over there. And when they wean away because
<v Speaker 2>that this thing was coming down the hill. He told
<v Speaker 2>me they ran away, they left everything behind the fire.
<v Speaker 2>The campfire was still lit, all the tents were still
<v Speaker 2>there and all that stuff. And then I don't know
<v Speaker 2>about two three days later, they went back there with
<v Speaker 2>their dads, and you mean they picked up everything, you know,
<v Speaker 2>all their tents and you mean, all their equipment they
<v Speaker 2>used for camping. So yeah, that's so. You mean they've
<v Speaker 2>been down here for a while. And you know, but
<v Speaker 2>like I said, that was my first encounter was in
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine, and you mean I've been dealing with these
<v Speaker 2>things since eighty nine.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that certainly validates that these things are living
<v Speaker 1>in the area. Swamp Dog. What else happened after that encounter?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? This a I had a few things happened. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I come from a truck drop family and drug and
<v Speaker 2>you mean at the time, my father had rum me
<v Speaker 2>had his own trucks and stuff. So I'm gonna tell
<v Speaker 2>you this one. I used to drive for my father.
<v Speaker 2>I was but this is before I met my wife.
<v Speaker 2>This is maybe by two years after I graduated, I
<v Speaker 2>started driving for my father because you know, I turned
<v Speaker 2>twenty one, and I mean I could run over the road.
<v Speaker 2>So what happened was our broker had a countract but well,
<v Speaker 2>you know with a company that used to ship self
<v Speaker 2>to Charlotte, North Carolina, and this warehouse was maybe about
<v Speaker 2>a half a mile away from where I had my
<v Speaker 2>first encounter. This happens all in the same area. So
<v Speaker 2>happened was uh uh, I mean they called us around
<v Speaker 2>six o'clock at night and you know told, I mean
<v Speaker 2>told me the lode was ready to be picked up,
<v Speaker 2>and uh, I just had a but I just had
<v Speaker 2>a hook up to the trailer and go. So what
<v Speaker 2>happened was I got there. It was late at night
<v Speaker 2>because after being Charlotte TI the next afternoon, because I
<v Speaker 2>mean after an appointment and uh so late that night
<v Speaker 2>after they called me, I went down there to hook
<v Speaker 2>up the trailer. So I mean I back up to
<v Speaker 2>the trailer and uh I hooked up the airlines right
<v Speaker 2>to the trailer and then I was I was walking
<v Speaker 2>towards the middle of the trailer, but to get to
<v Speaker 2>my landing gear. So so you mean I could raise
<v Speaker 2>a manding legs and just go, you know, could my
<v Speaker 2>paper work was in the back of the trailer and
<v Speaker 2>I had grab the paperwork and then put the seal
<v Speaker 2>on the trailer doors. So as I'm rolling up, well,
<v Speaker 2>as I'm getting ready to me to roll up the
<v Speaker 2>landing gears, I heard this sound and it's coming through
<v Speaker 2>the woods and it was like it was like a
<v Speaker 2>bulldozer going down, I mean, uh to me, going through
<v Speaker 2>the woods, and I'm like, what the heck is that?
<v Speaker 2>And it was screaming and it was like a it
<v Speaker 2>was like with somebody who was blowing a horn for
<v Speaker 2>a train. That's why it sounded going through the woods.
<v Speaker 2>And and you mean, I completely like froze. Now where
<v Speaker 2>I was, there's woods all the way around me, and
<v Speaker 2>it was only one light, like you mean like when
<v Speaker 2>the pole that was on, So it was pretty much
<v Speaker 2>dark out there, you know, and you know, the only
<v Speaker 2>lights that I had on was the lights on my truck,
<v Speaker 2>I mean my head lights. And so I completely like
<v Speaker 2>froze because when I heard this sound coming through the woods,
<v Speaker 2>I froze, and uh, I'm thinking, I'm an immediately I'm
<v Speaker 2>in danger, you know, because I never heard nothing like
<v Speaker 2>this before, and that scared the hell out of me,
<v Speaker 2>and what I what happened was I I couldn't move
<v Speaker 2>for a second or two, and then I finally said
<v Speaker 2>it myself. My mind says, I got to get out
<v Speaker 2>of here. That's how scared I was, because I never
<v Speaker 2>heard anything like that. I mean it was it was
<v Speaker 2>coming through the woods. I felt like it sounded like
<v Speaker 2>a bulldozer crashing through the woods. And uh, you mean
<v Speaker 2>like train horns going through the woods. I mean like
<v Speaker 2>it was a real big loud argue me like like screams,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So I finally got to
<v Speaker 2>move and I had to get underneath I mean like well,
<v Speaker 2>I mean between the trailer and the tractor because I
<v Speaker 2>had a unhooked the fifth wheel. I slapped the airlines
<v Speaker 2>off the trailer. I jumped in the truck and and
<v Speaker 2>you mean I took off and uh I left the
<v Speaker 2>load there. I mean I didn't even take the trailer
<v Speaker 2>because you mean I didn't mean I didn't roll up
<v Speaker 2>the landing gears. I came back home and my Dad's like, Yo,
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing. I says, I'm not going. I'm
<v Speaker 2>not going to arguments trailer at North Carolina tonight. I'll
<v Speaker 2>picked the load up in the morning and he said, well,
<v Speaker 2>that load had to be there like in the afternoon.
<v Speaker 2>I mean on the next day. I said, I don't care.
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm not going back in there. And I
<v Speaker 2>never told my father why or anything like that. You know,
<v Speaker 2>everybody wasn't too happy with me that day, but uh uh,
<v Speaker 2>I never I never got that trailer to the next day.
<v Speaker 2>And when I got there the next day and I
<v Speaker 2>hooked up to it, I was just flocking around and
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just like it was a scary day
<v Speaker 2>that night for me. So I told my like, you know, broker,
<v Speaker 2>I said, listen, if the trailer's not loaded but early afternoon,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going up. I'm not going back there at
<v Speaker 2>night to pick up the loads. I'll only pick up
<v Speaker 2>the trailer during daylight and when somebody's around. So, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>everybody thought, I mean, I was weird, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>but that was that was another encounter. But that happened
<v Speaker 2>about half a mile away from my first encounter.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's terrifying. Do you believe it was the
<v Speaker 1>same creature and do you think possibly they're following you around?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know it was the same creature, but I
<v Speaker 2>know they're there, and I know, I mean, like, nothing
<v Speaker 2>sounds like that going through the woods. I don't care
<v Speaker 2>if it's a grizzly, it's not going to sound like
<v Speaker 2>that going through the woods. So I mean, I knew
<v Speaker 2>what it was, and I made up my mind that
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't going back. I wasn't going back in there
<v Speaker 2>like a nighttime. You want me to pick up any
<v Speaker 2>loads or you may pick up any trailers or anything
<v Speaker 2>at nighttime. Like everything I had to do how to
<v Speaker 2>be doing today, I wouldn't go back there at night.
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think the creature charged through the woods
<v Speaker 1>and why do you think it was screaming?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I always thought about that, But you mean I
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I was going down the road and
<v Speaker 2>I was pulling into the entrance of the warehouse. There
<v Speaker 2>were three dose I was in the middle of the
<v Speaker 2>entrance and they were just standing there, and uh, I
<v Speaker 2>brewed my truck horn and he finally moved. And you
<v Speaker 2>mean I went to go do my business. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>but you mean I was a big for society, and
<v Speaker 2>you mean I had told Jerema the story. But you mean, like,
<v Speaker 2>the more that I think about it, I'm thinking when
<v Speaker 2>I blew that truck horn, I must I would have
<v Speaker 2>made it mad or or like you mean, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes possibly for you, you scared off the
<v Speaker 1>food source with the truck horn.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what you mean. I don't think because I
<v Speaker 2>mean when you think about is over the years and
<v Speaker 2>then like I mean, like you mean, let's say, like
<v Speaker 2>me eight years later, like I think about it, and
<v Speaker 2>then I said to myself, you know, I did blow
<v Speaker 2>that truck horn that night. Let me just get the
<v Speaker 2>deer to move out of my way, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because they were standing there like they didn't
<v Speaker 2>care that I was pulling in like you know, with
<v Speaker 2>an eighteen word and they were just standing there looking
<v Speaker 2>at the truck. I mean that was kind of weird
<v Speaker 2>because you know, dere usually don't do that. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>they just don't. You mean, they just don't. You like,
<v Speaker 2>you're like you stand there, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>So well, I mean I just blew the truck horn
<v Speaker 2>like normal, you know what I mean, just boom boom,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and uh and then to me, they finally moved.
<v Speaker 2>But uh, you know, like you had come to think
<v Speaker 2>about stuff like that. You mean, like I said, you
<v Speaker 2>mean like you eight, nine, ten years later, you mean
<v Speaker 2>you're thinking about it. I said, well, you know that
<v Speaker 2>night I did blow the truck horn. Maybe maybe I
<v Speaker 2>pissed it off, you know, or something, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean. So you know that's why do you mean
<v Speaker 2>over the years when you think about it, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you come up with stuff that you remember.
<v Speaker 1>You mean, you know, so yeah, that's a plausible explanation
<v Speaker 1>as to what happened.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, yeah, so you know, and then I had
<v Speaker 2>other encounters. Uh. You know, I was driving for another
<v Speaker 2>company that this is like years down the road, and uh,
<v Speaker 2>I went up to Uh, I went up to make
<v Speaker 2>I went up to Maine. Uh give me to make
<v Speaker 2>a delivery because I was hauling produce, like you know,
<v Speaker 2>Jersey produce and and I hold produce the Maine and
<v Speaker 2>uh whenever we get unloaded, we used to go to Hollis,
<v Speaker 2>Maine to pick up you know, water from Poland spring.
<v Speaker 2>And you mean that was our back hall coming back
<v Speaker 2>to Jersey. So uh, I shouldn't say this, but I
<v Speaker 2>mean I was on my third round down the main
<v Speaker 2>and uh I was I was that truck driver that
<v Speaker 2>had two or three love books. And you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was running day and night, you know
<v Speaker 2>I was. I was like, I was like, yeah, a
<v Speaker 2>low truck driver, so anyway on my way back to Jersey.
<v Speaker 2>But but I mean I had my wife with me too,
<v Speaker 2>and uh I came down to geergya turnpike, and I
<v Speaker 2>mean I got off back six seven over there down
<v Speaker 2>a boat in town, New Jersey, and uh stoup of
<v Speaker 2>the trucks up and got coffee and stuff. And I
<v Speaker 2>was really beat. And that's what I But the trucks
<v Speaker 2>out was full, and I mean I couldn't find no park,
<v Speaker 2>no place to park, and me take a half hour nap,
<v Speaker 2>give me just to get back home because I was
<v Speaker 2>only like, you know, sixty miles away from the house.
<v Speaker 2>So uh I went down. I let the truck stop,
<v Speaker 2>and you mean I come down. You I got on
<v Speaker 2>the arm ramp like for two ninety five south, and
<v Speaker 2>you mean, and you know, two ninety five south rung
<v Speaker 2>along alongside the Jersey Turnpike. But uh I jomp about
<v Speaker 2>two ninety five south. I told my wife, if I
<v Speaker 2>could find a parking spot here, like in the rest area,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna pull over. And take a nap because I
<v Speaker 2>can't keep my eyes open. I mean, I was fighting
<v Speaker 2>to keep my eyes open. And uh, so you mean
<v Speaker 2>that's why I did. You mean I found a parking spot.
<v Speaker 2>It was like like like you mean like me, it
<v Speaker 2>was there a parking spot, but you mean it was
<v Speaker 2>a Uh I could park in this area and I
<v Speaker 2>could be lou get me out of the way where
<v Speaker 2>where people can like you know, go around me and
<v Speaker 2>something like you know, and then I exit, exit the
<v Speaker 2>rest area. So I went back there, and then my
<v Speaker 2>wife took a nap, and about a half hour later,
<v Speaker 2>you and my lung went off, and I got up
<v Speaker 2>and said, all right, I'm going to go home. My
<v Speaker 2>eyes are okay, I guess, and uh. I got up
<v Speaker 2>on the driver's seat. But I put my boots on
<v Speaker 2>the stuff, and I'm getting ready. I turned all my
<v Speaker 2>lights on. You mean my headlights. My market lives were
<v Speaker 2>already on. But mean, I turned all my headlights and
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff, and I was getting ready to do
<v Speaker 2>my law book because at the times, that's that's how drivers,
<v Speaker 2>you know, did they did their time Jimmy to drive
<v Speaker 2>me times, I mean on a law book. So so
<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm doing my paper work, had my head
<v Speaker 2>down on my lap and I do my law book.
<v Speaker 2>And then my wife she's just getting out of the
<v Speaker 2>bed and she's getting ready to put her shoes on.
<v Speaker 2>And what happened was I popped my head up and
<v Speaker 2>when I popped my head up, I saw something about
<v Speaker 2>seven foot tall. I believe it were like seven foot tall,
<v Speaker 2>but it was lot just skinny, and it was running
<v Speaker 2>across the parking lot of the rest area, and it
<v Speaker 2>was running towards the highway, you know, about two ninety five.
<v Speaker 2>And when I looked up and I'm seeing this thing.
<v Speaker 2>And it was funny because I always said that it
<v Speaker 2>was running, but it was running smooth, like it was
<v Speaker 2>like on a skateboard or skates. Like you know when
<v Speaker 2>you run your like your body goes up and down.
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, Like, GIVE mean like you're
<v Speaker 2>running like that. This thing was moving really really fast,
<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't doing like a head bopping. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>like like a person that's running like I mean, it
<v Speaker 2>seemed like it was like on a skateboard or it
<v Speaker 2>was on roller skates. And when I ran in front
<v Speaker 2>of my truck, I seen it. It was like twenty
<v Speaker 2>yards away from my truck. I've seen it running across
<v Speaker 2>in front of my truck and it jumped into a
<v Speaker 2>ditch and it disappeared. So I'm my thing was I
<v Speaker 2>think it was going to run across by giving me
<v Speaker 2>the highway by two ninety five. So then I yelled
<v Speaker 2>at my wife. I says, yo, did you see that?
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, I didn't see anything. I put my
<v Speaker 2>shoes on and I kind of got aggravated with her.
<v Speaker 2>I said you never see anything. I said, open your eyes.
<v Speaker 2>I said, you didn't see that running and she said no.
<v Speaker 2>She said what was it? And I told her it
<v Speaker 2>was a big foot and she said, you're crazy. I said,
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you it was a big foot that right
<v Speaker 2>across my truck. Now, like I said, this is sixty
<v Speaker 2>miles away from the area where I got my first
<v Speaker 2>you know sighting. Well like actually like if you did
<v Speaker 2>the like if you did the milage, it's actually like
<v Speaker 2>sixty two sixty three miles away, like from board In
<v Speaker 2>town to Yolin. So then I was hyped up because
<v Speaker 2>me I was dead dog tired, and now I'm wide awake,
<v Speaker 2>like I slept like twenty hours. I was excited. I
<v Speaker 2>guess my drelline was pumping and I had a spotlight,
<v Speaker 2>like I mean those old please cars on the cap
<v Speaker 2>of my truck. And as I was driving by where
<v Speaker 2>I seen it jump into the ditch, I shined the
<v Speaker 2>light there and but you know, I didn't see anything.
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know whether it ran across the highway
<v Speaker 2>or it ran alongside my truck in the woods and
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see it, you know what I mean. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that was like, you know, sixty two sixty three miles
<v Speaker 2>away from my you know, you know from my hometown
<v Speaker 2>and from my first sighting.
<v Speaker 1>You know, can any features on the creature and what
<v Speaker 1>it looks, Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>This day was real skinny. I mean I always said it.
<v Speaker 2>It looked like it was like Mountain Irrish, like the
<v Speaker 2>first but you know big Foot that I seen. This
<v Speaker 2>thing was, like I said, was seven and a half
<v Speaker 2>eight feet tall. But it was big. Give mean like
<v Speaker 2>give me like a body, daughter, because but because you
<v Speaker 2>can tell give me by the outline of this, give
<v Speaker 2>me the shape of the body. But this thing here,
<v Speaker 2>it looked like it was mountain norseh It was tall,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like yes, seven seven and a half feet tall,
<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't big like a body daughter like it
<v Speaker 2>was really really thin and you mean, that's the only
<v Speaker 2>time I've seen one like that, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>It was like, you know, really thin, like you mean,
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, it wasn't like like anything like you
<v Speaker 2>mean what they say, you're mire three four foot oh
<v Speaker 2>you shoulder lands or nothing like that. It was just
<v Speaker 2>so you mean, I don't know it was a juvenile
<v Speaker 2>or what, but like it was pretty tall though, so
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know, I don't know what you
<v Speaker 2>consider you mean, like a seven seven and a half
<v Speaker 2>foot tall a creature that's a juvenile, you know, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>You know, And that's interesting. You mentioned that it seemed
<v Speaker 1>like it was gliding across the road and it jumped
<v Speaker 1>into a ditch and disappeared.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, yeah, because you know, you know when you
<v Speaker 2>see somebody like jogging, like you mean their head like
<v Speaker 2>you're bop topping down, you know, I mean, like you
<v Speaker 2>mean you're running. This thing was like it was like
<v Speaker 2>you were gliding on the black top of the parking lot,
<v Speaker 2>like you mean, like you mean, like I knew it
<v Speaker 2>was running, but it was running like it was like
<v Speaker 2>on a skateboard, just so just gliding across the parking lot,
<v Speaker 2>and and it ran pretty fast. I think if I
<v Speaker 2>didn't put my head up, I would never seen it.
<v Speaker 2>That's how fast it went. Like, like that's how quick
<v Speaker 2>this happened, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's almost like I want.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I don't know, because it was running pretty fast.
<v Speaker 2>And and you mean, like I said, you mean, if
<v Speaker 2>I didn't put my head up to look out the
<v Speaker 2>front windshield, I would have never seen it. That's how
<v Speaker 2>fast it was going. Like it was like like that
<v Speaker 2>split like in the second, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>So but that was an hour away, an hour fifteen
<v Speaker 2>minutes away from bugging in my hometown you know, where
<v Speaker 2>like I have my other sightings.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's terrifying. What else unfolded after this?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, after that one, I was out there pine barons
<v Speaker 2>again that because you know, we do a lot of
<v Speaker 2>oh you know, four by four stuff out in the
<v Speaker 2>pine barons and stuff, and uh, that's where like I
<v Speaker 2>first got That's when everybody started calling me swamp though,
<v Speaker 2>because I was always like in like in Doug giving
<v Speaker 2>me the swamps and and you know, streams and stuff
<v Speaker 2>with my full of drives and stuff like that. So
<v Speaker 2>it was about eight of us and uh we went
<v Speaker 2>out there and you mean we went camping and uh
<v Speaker 2>all day along, we're running trails and then I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>about three or four o'clock, I mean, we set up
<v Speaker 2>our campsite, and uh so about I'm thinking it was
<v Speaker 2>like eight thirty nine o'clock at night. Like me, we're
<v Speaker 2>all sitting around the fire and you know, we're talking
<v Speaker 2>about trucks and tires and give me suspension lifts and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, you know what I mean. And like
<v Speaker 2>it was and like I mean, it was all guys.
<v Speaker 2>There was no girls or nothing. It was all guys.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we're just mean having the guys weekend.
<v Speaker 2>And uh we start hearing things around the campsite and
<v Speaker 2>like it was like you know, walking around like our
<v Speaker 2>camp but we couldn't see nothing. And we hit it
<v Speaker 2>with our place lights and everything. We couldn't see nothing
<v Speaker 2>or I don't see anything, but we did hear something.
<v Speaker 2>It was something walking around the campsite. So well, you know,
<v Speaker 2>one of our friends of mine, he was like, you're
<v Speaker 2>making a talk about it. He said, well maybe one
<v Speaker 2>then Piney's you know what I mean those pineyes, because
<v Speaker 2>you mean they down there in the pine barons. You know,
<v Speaker 2>we there's pineys, you know, I mean there's people living
<v Speaker 2>back in the woods. So uh. Another guy suggested human
<v Speaker 2>light up off of lights and you mean light up
<v Speaker 2>the trucks and just you know, see what's do you
<v Speaker 2>even't see what's out there? We never did see anything.
<v Speaker 2>All we heard was a real loud howl and all
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden it was like, uh, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>all hell breaking loose, and we heard like tree branches
<v Speaker 2>break and things like there were like two of the
<v Speaker 2>three things out there that like was like, you're going
<v Speaker 2>give me, uh, you know, going crazy, And we all
<v Speaker 2>looked at each other and said, what the hell's then
<v Speaker 2>we all know, we all jumped in the truck and
<v Speaker 2>we took off man and and at the end of
<v Speaker 2>the trail it was routed two o six. Anybody in
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm talking about, and you mean give
<v Speaker 2>me this is a Wharton State Forest Park, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. So we stopped at the office and
<v Speaker 2>you know, there was a game boarding there and we
<v Speaker 2>all got out of the truck. That ran told me
<v Speaker 2>he was like, what the hell is going on? I said, yo,
<v Speaker 2>you had this happened, and and you and me, he said, listen,
<v Speaker 2>just get the hell out of here. And he come back,
<v Speaker 2>excuse me, and yeah, he said, come back for yourself later.
<v Speaker 2>Excuse me. I'm sorry. And uh, and you mean that's
<v Speaker 2>what we did. We laughed, and we never came back.
<v Speaker 2>About a week later, me and my buddy of mine,
<v Speaker 2>we went back there and we put everybody's stuff in
<v Speaker 2>the back of my pickup and his picked up and uh,
<v Speaker 2>and we just cleaned up the spot and we're looking
<v Speaker 2>around and and so my buddy of mine, he walked
<v Speaker 2>back in the woods and he said, Yo, look at
<v Speaker 2>all these branches and all this stuff that's tore up,
<v Speaker 2>like you mean, like a bear or deer was back here,
<v Speaker 2>and you mean turning up the grounds, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean. And uh, that's that's what I knew. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you mean, I already knew. But you know, I never
<v Speaker 2>said nothing until none of my friends, because you know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't be ridiculed. So I'm looking around the campsite
<v Speaker 2>for tracks and stuff. I never did see any tracks.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see no tracks in the campground. But then
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was it was the fall and uh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, but I mean I never did see any tracks,
<v Speaker 2>but my buddy of mine and me, I mean we
<v Speaker 2>saw all these you know, like broken tree branches. And
<v Speaker 2>that was the first time that I was seeing like
<v Speaker 2>a give me, like a twist. Give me because I
<v Speaker 2>mean a lot of these little like you know, pine trees,
<v Speaker 2>they were broke, but not completely broke. They were they
<v Speaker 2>were like a twist and give me bent over. That's
<v Speaker 2>when I first ever saw like a tree twist, a
<v Speaker 2>tree twist. I'm sorry, and I was like, man, that
<v Speaker 2>was kind of strange, you know what I mean. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's uh that what happened. There was eight of us
<v Speaker 2>and then the eight of us. You know, we heard
<v Speaker 2>that like it was like World War three back in
<v Speaker 2>the woods. That we never did see anything back in there,
<v Speaker 2>but we heard everything, all the commotion and everything. So
<v Speaker 2>give me that was back in the Pine Barans. That
<v Speaker 2>was above by give me Hamilton Township off about two
<v Speaker 2>or six a place called Wharton State bars that's part
<v Speaker 2>of the Pine Barons, that's part of the one million
<v Speaker 2>acres back in there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrifying. Why do you think these creatures reacted
<v Speaker 1>that way?
<v Speaker 2>I think they didn't want us there. I think you know,
<v Speaker 2>our trucks, Our trucks were loud, and you know, our
<v Speaker 2>trucks was loud, and you mean that noxious, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean we had you know, tires between thirty eighth
<v Speaker 2>to forty fours, you know, I mean, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, We had big, big, jacked up trucks. And
<v Speaker 2>you know, we were drinking beer and we're eating around
<v Speaker 2>the campfire and you know, making noise and laughing and
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like you know, doing what well,
<v Speaker 2>do what well eight guys would do, you know back
<v Speaker 2>in the woods. You know what I mean. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're just having a good time, and I
<v Speaker 2>think it didn't want us there. So I mean that's
<v Speaker 2>when I think we made it really really mad that
<v Speaker 2>night and we all took off. Man, I'm telling you
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was like a parade of mud trucks
<v Speaker 2>going through the trail doing about during a sixty mile
<v Speaker 2>an hour going through the woods, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was, uh like the park ranger knew what happened.
<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, because like I said, you mean, but before
<v Speaker 2>all this happened that night, I already had my encounters
<v Speaker 2>before and I knew what it was, but like I said,
<v Speaker 2>I never said nothing because I don't want these people
<v Speaker 2>think I was crazy or you mean, I don't want
<v Speaker 2>to be ridicule. But when we were telling about when
<v Speaker 2>we were telling the park rare, I sensed that he
<v Speaker 2>knew what it was like, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>the way the way he was talking. He said, listen,
<v Speaker 2>just get out of here, come back in a couple
<v Speaker 2>of days and get your stuff, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>But the thing was, we told him that we let
<v Speaker 2>the campfire on, like we took off, because then we
<v Speaker 2>got scared, and he says, and like I mean, he
<v Speaker 2>asked where he was and we told him, and and
<v Speaker 2>you mean he said, you know, don't worry about it,
<v Speaker 2>I'll take care of it. So I'm pretty sure he
<v Speaker 2>knew something. Now if he went back there by himself,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because I wasn't there, like you mean,
<v Speaker 2>we took off, but uh, I mean, he did say
<v Speaker 2>don't worry about it, I'll take care of it, which
<v Speaker 2>is kind of strange because you know, when you leave
<v Speaker 2>the campfire on, you would think by give me the
<v Speaker 2>park where you would say something, you know, like you
<v Speaker 2>mean to holler at us or something, you know, for
<v Speaker 2>doing that. But you know, but we had no toys
<v Speaker 2>we left, you know what I mean, Like you mean,
<v Speaker 2>it was it it was like World War two going
<v Speaker 2>back in there.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and from what you're telling me, it sounds
<v Speaker 1>like he was very aware that these things have been
<v Speaker 1>in area.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you mean I lived in this area all
<v Speaker 2>my life. As like I said, I'm an over road
<v Speaker 2>truck downer. I've been all forty eight states in Canada.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, I do believe you mean the park rangers.
<v Speaker 2>I do believe the game warden. I do know that
<v Speaker 2>that the city police knows about these things. Okay, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. But human they know, you mean,
<v Speaker 2>they know these things are out there. I know they
<v Speaker 2>know that. Give me the things are out there, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And the funny part is, like
<v Speaker 2>you mean, I got a couple friends that are that
<v Speaker 2>are conference I can ever see their word right, conservation
<v Speaker 2>officers that you give me they're like game wardens. But
<v Speaker 2>I know I know a couple of them, and I
<v Speaker 2>know that they know that I know, and I know
<v Speaker 2>that they know you know what I mean about these things.
<v Speaker 2>So you know, it's and it's weird because everybody says,
<v Speaker 2>you know, oh, you know, you mean, but right, because
<v Speaker 2>every time people think about Pickfoot, they think about you know, Missouri,
<v Speaker 2>they think about Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia. I mean, when
<v Speaker 2>people think about New Jersey, they are more likely think
<v Speaker 2>like New York City. But when they come down here
<v Speaker 2>in South Jersey, let's say, from anywhere from Exitus seven
<v Speaker 2>off the Jersey Turnpike all the way down to the bottom,
<v Speaker 2>it's all woods and farmland, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it's it's like I said, we
<v Speaker 2>got over a million acres of pineland. I mean that's
<v Speaker 2>not the only you know, woods like in a forest
<v Speaker 2>in the area. I mean, you know, we got other
<v Speaker 2>forests that's not connected to the pine barrens. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, when I think of Jersey, I think of
<v Speaker 1>Jersey Shore and the pine barrens.
<v Speaker 2>That's what That's what everybody thinks, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>like the Jersey Shore or or give me New York
<v Speaker 2>City and stuff. But you know, we even have battle
<v Speaker 2>snakes down here. Look, you mean, like in the summertime,
<v Speaker 2>if I'm going out into the woods, I mean you mean,
<v Speaker 2>I did see some rattlesnakes, you know what I mean
<v Speaker 2>laying on a log, you I mean two three miles
<v Speaker 2>into the woods, you know what I mean? And uh,
<v Speaker 2>give me two years ago, I was in my blind
<v Speaker 2>and do you mean do you mean out of bow
<v Speaker 2>hunting and about I say, about eighty yards away from
<v Speaker 2>my blind. I mean I've seen a black bear walking across.
<v Speaker 2>So I mean that's how we have everything what everybody
<v Speaker 2>has down here, you know. I mean I've never seen
<v Speaker 2>a copperhead, but you mean I did see playing the
<v Speaker 2>rattlesnakes in South Jersey.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, every state has its fair share of cities,
<v Speaker 1>but also every state has huge forest and areas that
<v Speaker 1>people have just never heard of.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, and it goes deep. I mean those
<v Speaker 2>times were like, you know, I go hunt, like I
<v Speaker 2>mean I walk like, you know, like three four miles
<v Speaker 2>to my hunt stand or or you mean I walk
<v Speaker 2>like three or four five miles to my blind. I
<v Speaker 2>mean that's all I mean. I mean, I mean I
<v Speaker 2>can hike like forever, and like they never get out
<v Speaker 2>of the woods out of here in South Jersey, like
<v Speaker 2>you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty remote out there, and I'm curious to
<v Speaker 1>hear what else unfolded. I feel like this is just
<v Speaker 1>the beginning.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, there's a lot of I mean I had
<v Speaker 2>a lot of counters. The where idea hunt. It's only
<v Speaker 2>about my you know, three miles away from my house,
<v Speaker 2>and it's actually in the type of same area where
<v Speaker 2>I have my encounters. I give you my first, you know,
<v Speaker 2>two encounters, and uh it's about I'll say, about eight
<v Speaker 2>mile radius. I mean, you know, from my encounter to
<v Speaker 2>where I live and where I bow hunt. Now, uh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, for I've been hunting this spot for uh,
<v Speaker 2>I say about five years. I've been hunting this spot,
<v Speaker 2>and I've been all over the woods in my area
<v Speaker 2>where I bow hunt, all over the woods, like I
<v Speaker 2>know every trail. I know that place like the back
<v Speaker 2>of my hand. I know where every stream is, every
<v Speaker 2>little pond, any you know what I mean, every little hollow,
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. So for the past you know, two years,
<v Speaker 2>well since twenty twenty four on back to two years.
<v Speaker 2>So I say, uhlet's say about the twenty twenty two
<v Speaker 2>to twenty twenty four, I have come across a party
<v Speaker 2>of three you know, bigfoots in my area where I hunt,
<v Speaker 2>and I've been dealing with I've been dealing with these guys,
<v Speaker 2>you know, but you know for three years, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and uh, I'll say about three years ago. You know,
<v Speaker 2>my wife and I we started well, you know, gifting
<v Speaker 2>them anything from ruggy sandwiches to you know, leftover pizzas. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was a few times my wife put like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like like you know, candy bars and stuff
<v Speaker 2>in this you know, in this area where we get them.
<v Speaker 2>And so you mean we've been gifting with these gift
<v Speaker 2>three guys. I never seen a female. I always see
<v Speaker 2>the three males, and I mean it kind of sounds weird,
<v Speaker 2>but it was like, I don't know, like we had
<v Speaker 2>like a relationship with these guys, you know what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 2>And if I go like into the woods, let's say
<v Speaker 2>four four thirty in the morning, and I'm walking through
<v Speaker 2>the woods, like I say, I mean, I mean, I
<v Speaker 2>got to walk in three four miles like to my
<v Speaker 2>blind or or to my tree stand, and it all
<v Speaker 2>it all depends where I want to like hunt that day,
<v Speaker 2>uh me. So I got to walk through four miles
<v Speaker 2>to wherever I hunt, and uh when I park my
<v Speaker 2>truck on my truck is all. It's all I'll camouflage.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like if you're my Facebook friend, but
<v Speaker 2>like you see my truck and you and then like
<v Speaker 2>my truck is completely camera so like it seems like
<v Speaker 2>when I park my truck, then like they know that
<v Speaker 2>I'm there. And when they know that I'm there, then
<v Speaker 2>let me know that they're there. It's other by a
<v Speaker 2>whoop or it's never like a scream or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>It's always like a whoop or a whistle. A few
<v Speaker 2>times I heard, like you mean, like a tree branch break,
<v Speaker 2>and I know they're there, and I never feel uncomfortable.
<v Speaker 2>I never feel scared, and I just go along my business.
<v Speaker 2>I go down the trail, and they never bothered me.
<v Speaker 2>They never did anything like I give me like aggressive
<v Speaker 2>to me. But sometimes when I give me my lunchtime,
<v Speaker 2>I'll get me out of my blind or I mean
<v Speaker 2>out or down from my tree stand. I walk to
<v Speaker 2>three or four miles back back towards my truck, and
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times I might find like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>rabbits on my hood I had doing me a whole
<v Speaker 2>bunch of oh you know, sticks on my hood or
<v Speaker 2>on the back of my bed of my truck, and
<v Speaker 2>that started when we started gifting them, like you mean,
<v Speaker 2>we started the gifting. But then after a few times,
<v Speaker 2>you know, they've been reading stuff for my truck. And
<v Speaker 2>then that's how I know they're friendly, because they wasn't friendly.
<v Speaker 2>They could have just you I mean like a three
<v Speaker 2>four mile hike. You mean they could just you me,
<v Speaker 2>snack me up, or I don't know, you're gonna do
<v Speaker 2>something my truck, you know what I mean? Like you know,
<v Speaker 2>but they never they never did anything wrong to me
<v Speaker 2>or or or like a lot of time, my wife
<v Speaker 2>and I go walk back there and it's like I
<v Speaker 2>said that whoop out us, argue me go whistle, or
<v Speaker 2>or you don't do something you need to let us
<v Speaker 2>know that they're there, and you mean we feel comfortable
<v Speaker 2>with them, Like you know, I never I never had
<v Speaker 2>a bad experience with these three guys. Now. Now, like
<v Speaker 2>I said, I never seen a female. I'm not saying
<v Speaker 2>there's no females in there, but I never seen one.
<v Speaker 2>It's always like it's always seen with these three males,
<v Speaker 2>like you I see and you mean I never see
<v Speaker 2>them up close. I always see them at a distance
<v Speaker 2>or I'll see them like you know, peeking them on
<v Speaker 2>a tree or I mean, they'll be behind a big
<v Speaker 2>you know, bush or shrub or something, and I can
<v Speaker 2>see like the top of their heads maybe like I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like thirty forty fifty yards away, and you
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know they're there. But you mean, I
<v Speaker 2>just keep walking. I don't I don't stop, I don't
<v Speaker 2>whistle at them or say anything to them. I just
<v Speaker 2>keep walking in my own business. And you mean, I
<v Speaker 2>know they're watching.
<v Speaker 1>So you know, yeah, that's really interesting. It sounds like
<v Speaker 1>they're living in the area. And I think it's fascinating
<v Speaker 1>that they would leave stuff on your truck. Why do
<v Speaker 1>you think they did that?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just uh, I always said, Now,
<v Speaker 2>this is my opinion. I always said that these are
<v Speaker 2>you know, bigfoots. They're they're some kind of human. They're
<v Speaker 2>giving me their flesh and blood. And I always believe that.
<v Speaker 2>And they look at you. I think they can feel
<v Speaker 2>that you have good intentions or or you know, you're
<v Speaker 2>just you know there too, like enjoy nature or something.
<v Speaker 2>You I mean, I know, I know it sounds corny,
<v Speaker 2>but you mean that's my opinion. You mean, that's how
<v Speaker 2>I feel about it. And they think that you're you
<v Speaker 2>are good people, and you have good intentions. I don't
<v Speaker 2>think I don't think they will bother you. Now if
<v Speaker 2>you go in there and you're disrespecting, now give me
<v Speaker 2>the forest, that's when I think they get upset. I
<v Speaker 2>mean that's what that's my thinking.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely. And what happened after these experiences with the
<v Speaker 1>three Bigfoot No.
<v Speaker 2>We just I've been I've been going in there and
<v Speaker 2>all the way up until the last week of August
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four, I stopped going into the woods
<v Speaker 2>almost a year. I just recently actually last week was
<v Speaker 2>the first time that I went into the woods, you know,
<v Speaker 2>by myself. And it was all because of that you
<v Speaker 2>know document acount that I had on the last week
<v Speaker 2>of August of twenty twenty four. So and then yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean all hell is recroduced for that, uh, this
<v Speaker 2>dog man that I encountered. Yeah, yeah, well, you know,
<v Speaker 2>made things you know personal, I mean, you're real personal.
<v Speaker 2>But uh, what happened was that you mean I do
<v Speaker 2>a lot of striper fishing out of the bay, uh, Jimmy,
<v Speaker 2>like you're off the beach, and uh on that day,
<v Speaker 2>uh see, because I usual to be fished at night.
<v Speaker 2>That's when I believe everything happens. I mean everything eat
<v Speaker 2>at night. So I see, I knew that the tide
<v Speaker 2>was going to be in around one ish, one thirty
<v Speaker 2>ish in the morning. So I always fish like you know,
<v Speaker 2>three hours you know before the tide and three hours
<v Speaker 2>after the tide. That's how I do my my stripper
<v Speaker 2>fishing or you know. And so what happened was, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I go to a place called you know, Forest Counity, Jersey.
<v Speaker 2>Anybody in Jersey you know where that is. And you
<v Speaker 2>know that's a where that's down there about the Delaware Bay.
<v Speaker 2>So on the way there, you know, this is all
<v Speaker 2>it's like I said, it's all woods and it's all
<v Speaker 2>you know, farm land. On the way there, it's all
<v Speaker 2>you know, back roads and you mean a few houses
<v Speaker 2>along the way and and you're a couple of farms.
<v Speaker 2>But I always drive like at nighttime. I always drive
<v Speaker 2>through there real slow. I drive twenty five to thirty
<v Speaker 2>five mile hour tops because all the deer, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>this place is with deer. And you know, not only
<v Speaker 2>deer have other creators like fox, coyotes, you know, skunks,
<v Speaker 2>you know everything. So look that Addie, Uh, well, a
<v Speaker 2>few years back at a deer running the side of
<v Speaker 2>my truck, and you'll put a big deck on my
<v Speaker 2>door and all that stuff. So like ever since that,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I always drive real slow through there at nighttime.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going down the road Obama salf My wife
<v Speaker 2>usually goes to fishing with me, and uh, but but
<v Speaker 2>this time she stayed home and start said, you mean
<v Speaker 2>I want you mean, so I'm going down his back rows.
<v Speaker 2>I stopped in Millville, Millville, New Jersey, and I stopped
<v Speaker 2>at a store called Wild Wad. I mean, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know you heard of it, but you mean it's a
<v Speaker 2>popular like you know, deli store, gas station, slash you know.
<v Speaker 2>And Uh, i'n got my coffee, I got my snacks,
<v Speaker 2>I got all the thing I need to you. You
<v Speaker 2>mean to be out there, because when I fished, I
<v Speaker 2>pitched six seven, eight hours at the time straight, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. So I go on down the road.
<v Speaker 2>I started hitting the back roads, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>Now now I'm getting deeper in the woods, I'm getting
<v Speaker 2>closer to the forest. Q And uh there's a little
<v Speaker 2>cemetery there that's around the bend and it's just before
<v Speaker 2>when you get into forest que and uh, I forget
<v Speaker 2>the name of the cemetery. I can never remember it. Well,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Dald Dtton been there with me. I know,
<v Speaker 2>you know Darred Dtton.
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's a big you know, bigfoot Doug, you know, researcher,
<v Speaker 2>and he works a lot with around moreheaded and all that,
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, I don't know so well, anyway,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going around his ben. I'm doing about I'm doing
<v Speaker 2>twenty five mile hours. As I'm coming around his ben,
<v Speaker 2>I see something climbing over this metal fence that Varguo
<v Speaker 2>surrounds the cemetery. And like I said, it's not a
<v Speaker 2>big cemetery. It's a small one, but it's old so
<v Speaker 2>as actually so as it as it's climbing over the fence,
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, what the hell is that? Right now? Now,
<v Speaker 2>let me back up a little bit. I always believe
<v Speaker 2>there's a big book, because I mean, I have my
<v Speaker 2>encounters when I've seen them. But I never did believe
<v Speaker 2>like a dog man. Never. Every time I heard a
<v Speaker 2>podcast with dog Man, I used to snicker, laugh, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, I said, there's no sting as
<v Speaker 2>a dog man, you know that's that's not true. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So let's go back. So I was climbing over the fence.
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at it, and I stopped in the middle
<v Speaker 2>of the road and I'm looking at it, and I says,
<v Speaker 2>like to me, you know, me being a truck driver
<v Speaker 2>and running out West Montana, I had a whole all
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. I know what a grizzly bear looks like.
<v Speaker 2>Now to me, this thing looked like a grizzly bear.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking, well, he ain't got no grizzly bears
<v Speaker 2>in Jersey. We got black bear, but we got a
<v Speaker 2>grizzly bear. And I'm looking at this thing, I says,
<v Speaker 2>crossing the road like in front of my pickup truck.
<v Speaker 2>So I hit my off road lights on and it
<v Speaker 2>went to the next property after like it crossed the
<v Speaker 2>road and answered the other property. As I answered the property,
<v Speaker 2>now I'm I drive towards it and by facing it,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking, what the hell is that? I said,
<v Speaker 2>I know that I ain't a grizzly bear. Then it
<v Speaker 2>stood up on two legs. Now, when it stood up
<v Speaker 2>with two legs, that's when my wall stopped right there.
<v Speaker 2>And then right and I was so scared that my
<v Speaker 2>body froze. I couldn't move my arms, I couldn't move
<v Speaker 2>my legs, I couldn't move anything. I was dumbfounded. I
<v Speaker 2>was shocked. I was scared. I didn't know what the
<v Speaker 2>hectus was. And then I realized what it was. And
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying in my mind, I'm saying, this can't be it.
<v Speaker 2>These things ain't real. And it's right there twenty yards
<v Speaker 2>in front of my truck. Realist can be looking right
<v Speaker 2>at me. Because when it stood up, it turned and
<v Speaker 2>it looked at me, and at that moment, I couldn't move.
<v Speaker 2>My body was fruze, and it was like I was telling,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Daniel the other day, I don't know whether
<v Speaker 2>it hit me with something or what. You know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but I mean I couldn't move my body.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I was in a lot of fear, and
<v Speaker 2>it looked at me, and I can remember that it
<v Speaker 2>took one step towards my truck, and when it took
<v Speaker 2>one step towards my truck, there was another big loud
<v Speaker 2>howl on my left and me in the tree lines,
<v Speaker 2>and when that thing holed the creature in front of me,
<v Speaker 2>took a look over there, took a look at me,
<v Speaker 2>and ran towards the how into the tree line. And
<v Speaker 2>then I it disappeared and I couldn't move. And then
<v Speaker 2>after it left, that's when I was able to move.
<v Speaker 2>I could move my arms, I could move my legs,
<v Speaker 2>and I got either and I mean I started headed
<v Speaker 2>to the bay, and I mean I sat there for
<v Speaker 2>a while and I just couldn't I was didn't disbelieve.
<v Speaker 2>I was shocked. I couldn't believe what I saw. And
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean because like I said all these times,
<v Speaker 2>all this time, I'm saying that there was no such
<v Speaker 2>thing as a dog man. And there it was right
<v Speaker 2>in front of me, twenty yards away from me. And
<v Speaker 2>you mean I had my I had my offer of
<v Speaker 2>lights on my truck, and you mean I had this
<v Speaker 2>thing hit like a baseball field, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I see it clear as day. And and
<v Speaker 2>you mean I was on Mysteries Unknown, And I mean
<v Speaker 2>I was telling Joshua this thing was about eight foot
<v Speaker 2>tall and the head of it was like an I
<v Speaker 2>ain't a head now. I mean I heard people say that,
<v Speaker 2>like you, I had like a German shepherd head or
<v Speaker 2>I had like a husky head or like a dumber
<v Speaker 2>on my head. But what I saw they had looked
<v Speaker 2>like a husky, I mean, not a husky hyena. And
<v Speaker 2>and like, well you mean it was about eight foot tall.
<v Speaker 2>And what I remember this thing? This thing had ambuyle eyes.
<v Speaker 2>The eyes were yellow. And do you mean I always
<v Speaker 2>said too that, like you mean, every time somebody says
<v Speaker 2>something about these things, they always talk about like me
<v Speaker 2>had like dog legs. Well this thing didn't have dog legs.
<v Speaker 2>This thing had legs like humans, Like my legs are
<v Speaker 2>your legs? And and I mean I know that for
<v Speaker 2>a fact that you mean I saw the legs. Now,
<v Speaker 2>that grass was high, I'll say about the foot maybe
<v Speaker 2>fifteen inches high. The grass was so I didn't see
<v Speaker 2>the feet, but I know the legs were like human legs.
<v Speaker 2>Like it wasn't bent backwards, not doing me like a dog.
<v Speaker 2>And you mean I always said that to everybody that,
<v Speaker 2>like I talked to you about this of your creature.
<v Speaker 2>But and and the hands. I got big hands. I'm
<v Speaker 2>six foot two, I mean, I'm I weigh about two thirty.
<v Speaker 2>But you mean, but I mean I got big hands.
<v Speaker 2>But this thing's hands I remember it because I seen it,
<v Speaker 2>like clearly. Its hands was like twice the size of
<v Speaker 2>mind and not you know what I mean, But you
<v Speaker 2>mean that really freaked me out. Like I said, I
<v Speaker 2>always said there was no such thing until that night.
<v Speaker 2>That night, like it made me a believer. And it's
<v Speaker 2>like I told everybody, that thing took one step towards
<v Speaker 2>my truck and like I said, I couldn't move any
<v Speaker 2>parts of my body like I was prose. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I was hit with infants. Give me, dude,
<v Speaker 2>what do you call that? Infant structure or infestime? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but I always believe and I always said it. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I tell everybody this, If it wasn't for that how
<v Speaker 2>and it running towards that how, this thing would have
<v Speaker 2>snagged me out of my truck and they would have
<v Speaker 2>probably found my truck, but they probably would have never
<v Speaker 2>found me ever again, that night, I knew I was
<v Speaker 2>going to die. I had that feeling. I knew deep
<v Speaker 2>down inside I was going to die that night. But
<v Speaker 2>you know, because the other creature made a how, it
<v Speaker 2>ran give me Like I mean, it looked over there
<v Speaker 2>and it looked at me, and it ran back towards
<v Speaker 2>the how I think that was the only thing that
<v Speaker 2>saved me because I'm telling you, I couldn't move my body.
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't move any parts of my body, arms, legs, anything.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's terrifying. Yeah that was mean.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I'm that's a big pots and stuff
<v Speaker 2>was eighty nine. Never had a problem this thing. I
<v Speaker 2>had a problem. I couldn't. I mean, I was so
<v Speaker 2>much fear. I didn't go in the woods until, like
<v Speaker 2>I said, until like last week, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>Like I haven't been, you know, back in the woods.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I wouldn't even dare walk wal mile into
<v Speaker 2>the woods after that encounter. And I mean I didn't
<v Speaker 2>even hunt. And I mean I didn't fish for the
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty forty you know, but you know season, I
<v Speaker 2>mean my bow hunt season. I didn't hunt, like I
<v Speaker 2>mean the year about twenty twenty four.
<v Speaker 1>And what did this creature look like? I know you
<v Speaker 1>mentioned it looked like a grizzly bear. What color was it?
<v Speaker 1>And you also mentioned it it was all black?
<v Speaker 2>I remember the color was all black. But the one
<v Speaker 2>thing too, when I said it had the head of
<v Speaker 2>a haina, it had a mane like a lion, like
<v Speaker 2>from shoulder to shoulder like a dig gold like it
<v Speaker 2>put me around the head. It just went from shoulder
<v Speaker 2>to shoulder, and it was like a long maine. But
<v Speaker 2>this thing was built. I mean it was. It was.
<v Speaker 2>I mean this thing was big. It looked like it
<v Speaker 2>was in the gym, like you're pumping waist for twenty
<v Speaker 2>years straight down't stop. This dig was huge. I mean
<v Speaker 2>huge most so wise. I think it could have flipped
<v Speaker 2>my pickup truck. My pickup truck weighs five thousand pounds.
<v Speaker 2>And I always told my wife, I said, this day,
<v Speaker 2>we'll put this pickup truck if it wanted to. That's
<v Speaker 2>how big and and like muscular this thing was.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrifying. And now that I've spoken with a
<v Speaker 1>lot of credible witnesses, I feel like I've seen the
<v Speaker 1>same thing. I always called it a hell hound, and
<v Speaker 1>that's what I mentioned. This thing had the head of
<v Speaker 1>a hyena, and it had like this main around its
<v Speaker 1>neck like a lion, and it was muscular. What I
<v Speaker 1>saw was on all fours. It never got up on
<v Speaker 1>two legs.
<v Speaker 2>But well, this thing walked out of the cemetery and
<v Speaker 2>it walked across the road. It was on all pores.
<v Speaker 2>That's why I was thinking brittly there. But then I'm thinking, wait,
<v Speaker 2>I'm in New Jersey. There's no grizzly bears inside. And
<v Speaker 2>then when I walked into the give me the other
<v Speaker 2>property and it stood up, That's when that's when my
<v Speaker 2>world stopped right there, because you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I mean all this, I mean I kind of feel well,
<v Speaker 2>you mean I feel bad, and you mean, I I
<v Speaker 2>apologize to the cryptic world, but you know, I always
<v Speaker 2>thought that that dog Man was a joke. You know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean that you know, people were seeing like
<v Speaker 2>but you know, Bigfoot, and they thought that I had
<v Speaker 2>a dog head or something, and you mean, and you mean,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be a man about you. I always apologize
<v Speaker 2>to the cryptic world, but now I know what it is.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's typical for people to be skeptical of
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch and that's the normal reaction. And finally when people
<v Speaker 1>start coming around, they start hearing about dog Man, and
<v Speaker 1>they just immediately write it off and say, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I believe in Bigfoot, the dog Man. This just a
<v Speaker 1>little bit too much.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's how I was. I was. I wasn't
<v Speaker 2>that Do you mean I was there? Man? You mean
<v Speaker 2>like that's how I thought? You know what I mean? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I said, I do believe in Bigfoot. I have encounters.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gifts in these things. They're gifting me back, me
<v Speaker 2>and my wife. But when it comes to dog man,
<v Speaker 2>I'm like that that's a little far FETs you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Like, you know, but did that night
<v Speaker 2>do you mean the last week in August? I was
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. That may be a believer. I changed
<v Speaker 2>my world around And now you mean it's like I said,
<v Speaker 2>I apologize to the crypto world because I used to
<v Speaker 2>laugh at these things. You know, like you know, but.
<v Speaker 1>Has this encounter caused any trauma in your life?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I mean, I mean this
<v Speaker 2>creature in me, we have something. It made it personal,
<v Speaker 2>very very personal. Ka and yeah, and I'll tell you
<v Speaker 2>about that. I talked to Joshua for Mystery Unknown, and uh,
<v Speaker 2>I talked to Daryl Denton. Me and Daryl Denton. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>we researched this area because we're looking for this thing.
<v Speaker 2>But I'm actually really really looking for it. And uh,
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you why. After that person counter that I had.
<v Speaker 2>I went back there a couple of weeks or two.
<v Speaker 2>A couple of months later, I went back there, like
<v Speaker 2>not to go fishing, not to walk through the woods.
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to drive, you know, through there. And
<v Speaker 2>and then the second time I seen this thing. It
<v Speaker 2>was a second time. It was on the side of
<v Speaker 2>the road. It was on the dirt road, but where
<v Speaker 2>the dirt road connects to the black top. As I'm
<v Speaker 2>driving down this road, like I said, I don't, I
<v Speaker 2>don't go no faster than thirty five mile an hour,
<v Speaker 2>but I mean I was. I was driving slow because
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to see it again. I mean, even though
<v Speaker 2>that was the most scariest day of my life, but
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to see it again, or to see if
<v Speaker 2>I can see it again. And I did see it,
<v Speaker 2>and it was standing there, watched me drive up. I
<v Speaker 2>drove by it. It was like four feet away from
<v Speaker 2>our passenger door. As I'm driving by it, I made
<v Speaker 2>a U turn. I came back. It was still standing
<v Speaker 2>there looking at me, and like, I mean, I just
<v Speaker 2>took off like a bat out of hell. You know.
<v Speaker 2>So I was on mysteries unknone I'm telling them. I
<v Speaker 2>started to Joshua and to Daniel. And after the podcast,
<v Speaker 2>I got a phone call from Dowald Detton. Now you know,
<v Speaker 2>I never I never met Dalad Dtton and he must
<v Speaker 2>got a hold of jobsh and got my number and
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to give me to talk to me about
<v Speaker 2>this creature. And he's from Tennessee but he lives in
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey now, him and his wife. Well, anyway, he
<v Speaker 2>wanted me to meet him there at night, and I said,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going back there at night. I said, you
<v Speaker 2>do what you want, But I said, I go doing
<v Speaker 2>the day, but I'm not going there at night. I said,
<v Speaker 2>you mean, I've seen this thing two times and I
<v Speaker 2>know it's there. I said that now I'm not messing
<v Speaker 2>with it, you know what I mean. And he was like,
<v Speaker 2>all right, I understand. He said, how about doing today?
<v Speaker 2>Will you meet me there like good morning hours? And
<v Speaker 2>I said yeah. So me and my wife met him
<v Speaker 2>there and I gave him. I gave him the ordinance.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you mean, look at the cemetery record that's
<v Speaker 2>where it happened. So I showed him where it came
<v Speaker 2>out of the cemetery, where where it walked across the
<v Speaker 2>road in front of me. I showed him the property
<v Speaker 2>where where like it stood up and and you know,
<v Speaker 2>told them my encounters. It's like I'm telling you, and
<v Speaker 2>uh he said that he was there the day before
<v Speaker 2>with his wife and he was walking in the woods
<v Speaker 2>that like that I surrounded this you know, little cemetery.
<v Speaker 2>And for what he told me was he said that
<v Speaker 2>there's something here because on the trees I believe he said,
<v Speaker 2>like on the trees about eight foot up, that he's
<v Speaker 2>seen claw marks where something was clawing these trees up
<v Speaker 2>all the way down the Uh, I mean all the
<v Speaker 2>way down the line, you know what I mean, like
<v Speaker 2>you mean, and uh he showed me a couple of
<v Speaker 2>trees because I'll walk back into with him, and uh,
<v Speaker 2>I actually seen the claw marks on the trees, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I mean because and then like I mean, we walked
<v Speaker 2>around the cemetery and he actually pointed out where he
<v Speaker 2>thinks this thing is coming in and out of the cemetery.
<v Speaker 2>I mean coming out, you mean coming out of the woods,
<v Speaker 2>in and out, because that's like trails coming through there,
<v Speaker 2>you mean like game trails. And it comes up to
<v Speaker 2>the fence and you see, well, Doug me, he believes
<v Speaker 2>this is where this creature's coming in and out of
<v Speaker 2>the woods. I mean as it's going to the cemetery,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like it's just moving, you know.
<v Speaker 2>So I went my way and he went his way,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we stayed in touch, texting. He's telling
<v Speaker 2>me so. So then again he asked me again. He said, Yo,
<v Speaker 2>you want to go out there at nighttime? I said, nope,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going back out there at night. I said,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing it. So then he said, okay. So
<v Speaker 2>he ended up going there the first night, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>by himself. He stayed there a couple of hours and
<v Speaker 2>he calls me and he says he didn't see anything,
<v Speaker 2>all right. So so then so then I told him,
<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, there's a dirt road back there
<v Speaker 2>where I seen it the second time. It's like behind
<v Speaker 2>the cemetery. Maybe if you sit back over there, like
<v Speaker 2>on that dirt road, you might see something. So I
<v Speaker 2>guess the following week he went back there and he
<v Speaker 2>was there like a few hours. Now now now he
<v Speaker 2>called me and he said, I don't see anything, but
<v Speaker 2>I hear hows in the distance. But he said, he
<v Speaker 2>don't hear nothing. The only thing he does is he
<v Speaker 2>hears hows like in the distance, back behind the cemetery,
<v Speaker 2>back in the woods, back there, and and you know,
<v Speaker 2>he said, there they are like a distance away from me,
<v Speaker 2>but I can hear him loud and clear, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I said, okay. So then so then he said, listen,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to Tennessee. I'll be back. I'll be back
<v Speaker 2>like in a week or two. And when I get back,
<v Speaker 2>i'll call you and i'll let you know. I'll let
<v Speaker 2>you know that i'm back. So we can go back
<v Speaker 2>to the area and walk around and see what we
<v Speaker 2>can and see. I said, all right, no problem, I said,
<v Speaker 2>just let you know. So my wife was, yeah, she
<v Speaker 2>had a great idea that she wanted to go back there.
<v Speaker 2>And I think this was I think it was the
<v Speaker 2>day before Daryl was handed back to Jersey. I think, well, anyway,
<v Speaker 2>my wife decides, yo, let's go back there and see
<v Speaker 2>what we can see. And I said, no way. I said,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going back there at night. A said, I'm
<v Speaker 2>not doing it. So she kept on, kept on, kept on,
<v Speaker 2>kept on. So you know, finally I said, all right,
<v Speaker 2>let's go. So what I mean, I packed the truck
<v Speaker 2>with the stuff I needed and She got a camera
<v Speaker 2>and stuff because she wanted to take a picture of
<v Speaker 2>this thing, like if it came out, which I thought
<v Speaker 2>was a bad idea, and it was a bad idea.
<v Speaker 2>I showed to stay home and never listened to her.
<v Speaker 2>Well anyway, again, we stop at the wall wall got
<v Speaker 2>her you know, the coffees because I have a thermos
<v Speaker 2>and you mean I always like you to pull it
<v Speaker 2>up with the with coffee. And we got our snacks
<v Speaker 2>and stuff and we went down to the area. I
<v Speaker 2>turned down the dirt road and I drove down the
<v Speaker 2>walls and uh, I never turned the truck around. I
<v Speaker 2>parked on the right side of the road, up against
<v Speaker 2>the tree line. So my wife didn't want to sit
<v Speaker 2>in the party seeking My truck don't have air condition,
<v Speaker 2>so my wife didn't want to sit on the passenger's side.
<v Speaker 2>It was too close to the tree line for her.
<v Speaker 2>And she was like, you're a little scared. And I said,
<v Speaker 2>all right, you sit on the driver's seat. I'll sit
<v Speaker 2>in the passenger receipt you know what I mean, and
<v Speaker 2>see what happens. So we were there about four about
<v Speaker 2>four and a half five hours we were there, didn't
<v Speaker 2>see anything, didn't hear anything. I didn't see a box,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see a coyo, I didn't see a bird.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see anything, and we didn't hear anything. Now,
<v Speaker 2>that right there was my biggest mistake, because I consider
<v Speaker 2>myself a woodsman, and I should have known when the
<v Speaker 2>woods are quiet, there's something predatory around. I should have
<v Speaker 2>known that, but I wasn't thinking that way, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. That was my biggest mistake. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>I didn't listen to mother nature. It was quiet. So
<v Speaker 2>after we were there, I don't know, five hours, I
<v Speaker 2>guess my wife, you know, decided that you know, I
<v Speaker 2>gotta go. I gotta go pee. So I said, listen,
<v Speaker 2>we're twenty minutes away from any store. I says, you've
<v Speaker 2>got to go that dad, I said, go behind my truck.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's nowhere around. It's dark. The lightst her out,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So so she did. So. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>she got out of the driver's side as she walked
<v Speaker 2>towards the back of my truck, and then she went
<v Speaker 2>on the passenger's side of the truck. The ruggle between
<v Speaker 2>the tire and my back bumper up against the tree line.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm in the passenger's seat. I'm on the phone,
<v Speaker 2>windows are down, and like I said, I didn't hear anything,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. The only thing I heard
<v Speaker 2>was my wife and on the back side of the truck,
<v Speaker 2>you know, doing her business. So I say, by the
<v Speaker 2>time she got out of the driver's seat, intited back
<v Speaker 2>in the truck and she started doing her business. It
<v Speaker 2>was like two minutes, like you know, like that because
<v Speaker 2>she had to go, and all of a sudden, I
<v Speaker 2>hear her screaming like all hell get out like she was.
<v Speaker 2>I never heard my wife scream like this before. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>she was screaming a loud screaming and yelling. I jumped out.
<v Speaker 2>I jumped out to the passenger's side, opened the door.
<v Speaker 2>I jumped out. As I jumped out, I toocked up
<v Speaker 2>my forty four. That was all my center console. I
<v Speaker 2>looked up and I seen this dog man had my
<v Speaker 2>wife by the arm and he was dragging her down
<v Speaker 2>the dirt road. And I shot it four times in
<v Speaker 2>the back. The first two shots like this thing didn't
<v Speaker 2>even flinch or anything. The third shot that's when I
<v Speaker 2>seen it flinch. And when I shot him on the
<v Speaker 2>fourth time, I shot him being just underneath the neckline,
<v Speaker 2>under the head, and that's when he let my wife go.
<v Speaker 2>And when and when I shot him in that area,
<v Speaker 2>that's when he let my wife go and he ran
<v Speaker 2>into the woods. And I always said it sounded like
<v Speaker 2>a freight train going through the woods. I mean, I
<v Speaker 2>mean the way that like it hollered, and the way
<v Speaker 2>that was going through the woods and breaking branches or
<v Speaker 2>trees or whatever it was breaking, That's what it sounded like.
<v Speaker 2>So I hurried up, grabbed my wife. Wasn't paying attention
<v Speaker 2>to the creature because I wanted to get my wife
<v Speaker 2>up in the truck. I shut the door, I jumped
<v Speaker 2>in the driver's side, and I took off. And what
<v Speaker 2>I always said, look like to Daryl and to Josh
<v Speaker 2>for and and you know Daniel, when I shot this
<v Speaker 2>thing four times, all all four shots hit him. But
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen blood. I didn't see a drop of buttert.
<v Speaker 2>You know, when you shoot a deer or a shoot
<v Speaker 2>a bear or something like that, you'll see blood coming out,
<v Speaker 2>like you know what I mean that, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. I never seen none of that. I never
<v Speaker 2>seen a drop of blood come out this creature. And
<v Speaker 2>I hit it four times. It was like bump bump,
<v Speaker 2>bump bump, you know what I mean, Like you mean
<v Speaker 2>like give me, give me every shot. I could actually
<v Speaker 2>hear the bullet. You may penetrate this thing. But I
<v Speaker 2>never seen blood. As I turned around, I looked, I
<v Speaker 2>looked on the ground, and mean I looked at towards
<v Speaker 2>where this thing's going in now. I mean I didn't
<v Speaker 2>stop and look. I just as I turned around, I
<v Speaker 2>kept going. But I'm looking. I didn't see a drop
<v Speaker 2>on the ground. I didn't ste a drop of blood anywhere.
<v Speaker 2>So then I thought, yeah, that my wife's arm was broke,
<v Speaker 2>and and uh because her arm was you know, was
<v Speaker 2>black and blue, like from her shoulder down to her elbow.
<v Speaker 2>Her arm was black and blue. That's where that's where
<v Speaker 2>this creature grabbed my wife. So I mean I took
<v Speaker 2>her to the hospital. And when you got a hospital,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what are you going to tell the doctors
<v Speaker 2>and the nurses that a dog man grabbed my wife
<v Speaker 2>and man and you had done this, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>mean they're gonna think that we were drinking or well
<v Speaker 2>we want drugs or you know. So you know, the
<v Speaker 2>doctor was looking at her arm he's looking at me,
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if he's thinking that I beat
<v Speaker 2>my wife or something, you know. I mean, that's the
<v Speaker 2>feeling that I got from him. But you know, they
<v Speaker 2>did X rays on my wife and she didn't have
<v Speaker 2>a broken arm, but she was all bruised up, you know,
<v Speaker 2>black and blue, and like you know, she was sorry
<v Speaker 2>for about for about a month. But as they were
<v Speaker 2>doing the X rays on my wife, I was sitting
<v Speaker 2>in the waiting room and I'm thinking about how everything happened,
<v Speaker 2>and then I got angry. Then I got real angry,
<v Speaker 2>and then I'm thinking to myself, I'm going to kill
<v Speaker 2>this thing. I said, you know, this thing trying to
<v Speaker 2>hurt my wife or do whatever. But now I was
<v Speaker 2>in a mentality where like it's on, I'm coming after
<v Speaker 2>this thing and I'm going to kill it. Now, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I killed it or not. Dald Denton said,
<v Speaker 2>I might have, but the way it was wrung into
<v Speaker 2>the woods, I don't think I did, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, Because it was running like it it was
<v Speaker 2>running fast. It didn't slow down for nothing, So you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. I mean, after that, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know what happened. But but that's what happened, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know so, but this thing made it
<v Speaker 2>really really personal with me. And uh, look, I mean
<v Speaker 2>the more I think about it, you mean, the more
<v Speaker 2>I talk about it, it's like the more angrier I get.
<v Speaker 2>So you mean, I'm gonna be honest with it. It's
<v Speaker 2>just like I was telling Daniel on the Life Show
<v Speaker 2>the other night. I says, you know, people might get
<v Speaker 2>upset with me or or you know, think that you mean,
<v Speaker 2>I'm a bad person. But what they don't understand is
<v Speaker 2>this thing try to hurt my wife. Nobody hurts my wife.
<v Speaker 2>So I go back there often and I'm looking if
<v Speaker 2>I see it. You see, Like every time I think about,
<v Speaker 2>like what happened, I always said to myself, I never
<v Speaker 2>should have shot it in the back and all four bullets.
<v Speaker 2>I should have shot it like like in the back
<v Speaker 2>of the head. That was my biggest mistake. Although they're
<v Speaker 2>not paying attention to my to my surroundings and not
<v Speaker 2>realizing how quiet the woods was. I mean, you couldn't
<v Speaker 2>even hear a cricket, so you know that right there.
<v Speaker 2>I should have known. But that was one of my
<v Speaker 2>biggest mistakes. I make And like I said, I consider
<v Speaker 2>myself a woodsman and I should have known. But and
<v Speaker 2>then my other second mistake was I should have never
<v Speaker 2>shot in the back. It should have been all head shots.
<v Speaker 2>But uh, but my wife she's still having problems with us.
<v Speaker 2>You know, she wakes up in the middle of night screaming, trying,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, but you know, people like sometimes people
<v Speaker 2>like in the crypto world that are friends, you know,
<v Speaker 2>they'll message us or or give me their calls asking
<v Speaker 2>how she's doing all that stuff, and you know, but uh, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>my wife she's still messed up over this stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm really sorry to hear that happen to you guys.
<v Speaker 1>And that's a terrifying situation to know that this creature
<v Speaker 1>has your wife and that you have to shoot at
<v Speaker 1>it knowing that your wife's in close proximity to the creature. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it just really makes you wonder if.
<v Speaker 2>Put away from it. I was put away from it
<v Speaker 2>when I shot it with a forty four. Wow, Now,
<v Speaker 2>now you mean a forty four would drop a grizzly
<v Speaker 2>this thing. Thenny, you're like, the first two bullets, then
<v Speaker 2>you flinch. I started flinching like after the third and
<v Speaker 2>then after the fourth shot, that's when they dropped my
<v Speaker 2>wife and ran back into the woods. Yeah yeah, that's
<v Speaker 2>uh so now you know me and me, and now
<v Speaker 2>you know we're supposed to be going back in there.
<v Speaker 2>Do you mean I've been back there. I'm gonna be
<v Speaker 2>honest with you. I mean I've been back there because
<v Speaker 2>I'm after this thing. I mean, I'm not trying to
<v Speaker 2>sound like a superman. I'm not trying to sound like
<v Speaker 2>a badass. But when I hurt my wife, it made
<v Speaker 2>it personal. And you mean I never felt like this
<v Speaker 2>about no animal. I mean, I bear hunt, deer hunt, shakayas,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. But uh, this thing made
<v Speaker 2>it personal.
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think it grabbed your wife?
<v Speaker 2>Well, everybody asked you that question. I think I believe
<v Speaker 2>this thing knows my truck. I got a camel truck
<v Speaker 2>from the back. You remember my truck's camera. I believe
<v Speaker 2>this thing knows me by me seeing it in my heart.
<v Speaker 2>I think this thing wanted to mess with me, kind
<v Speaker 2>of like being a bully. And I think because I
<v Speaker 2>asked my wife, I said, when you were pining, like
<v Speaker 2>you didn't hear or see anything like coming at you?
<v Speaker 2>And she said no, like, you know, she was peeing
<v Speaker 2>like on the sitting position, and the next thing, you know,
<v Speaker 2>this thing grabbed her botty arm, jerked her and started
<v Speaker 2>dragging her down the road like she didn't even hear
<v Speaker 2>and she didn't even see this thing coming. Damn.
<v Speaker 1>That's terrifying. And I don't blame you for shooting at
<v Speaker 1>the creature. I would have done the same thing. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean I feel like a headshot would have definitely
<v Speaker 1>been better.
<v Speaker 2>But there was a man at that time when it
<v Speaker 2>is happening. I wasn't thinking. I was just pulling and
<v Speaker 2>pulling the trigger, you know, I mean, you know that
<v Speaker 2>was my second mistake because I believe I would have
<v Speaker 2>shot it behind the head like four times. We would
<v Speaker 2>have had something, you know what I mean. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, you know, other than my wife getting hurt,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, we probably would have something, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, like, you know, like like we probably
<v Speaker 2>could have proved to the world, Yeah, these things exist.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a possibility. There was an encounter in Missouri
<v Speaker 1>and Pulaski County. These two hunters ran across a dog
<v Speaker 1>man and they unloaded on it. They said they shot
<v Speaker 1>it so many times, and they heard it crashing through
<v Speaker 1>the woods and they heard it fall. But when they
<v Speaker 1>pursued the creature after they shot at it because they
<v Speaker 1>were sure it was dead, they said they didn't find
<v Speaker 1>any blood. They didn't find the creature and they just
<v Speaker 1>can't believe that they didn't find anything after shooting it
<v Speaker 1>so many times and they heard it fall several times, and.
<v Speaker 2>It is seeing no blood like anywhere, no, and there
<v Speaker 2>is this is this is see, this is what I'm
<v Speaker 2>starting to think, Like you mean when I just heard
<v Speaker 2>this right now with no blood coming with it zoos too,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, are these things even fresh and blood?
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, dude, I saw this saying five like if
<v Speaker 2>you're five feet away from me four times with a
<v Speaker 2>forty four and not a drop of blood.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I you know what I'm saying now, I'm starting to
<v Speaker 2>think this thing even fresh and blood or what the
<v Speaker 2>hell is this thing? I mean?
<v Speaker 1>You know, the Native Americans say that they're both they're
<v Speaker 1>physical creatures and supernatural. So the supernatural part really mean
<v Speaker 1>we know they're out there. They're definitely physically out there.
<v Speaker 1>But there's something else to it. There was also another
<v Speaker 1>report Missouri of these two bigfoot researchers looking for sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>and the ozarks, and they were watching a juvenile sasquatch.
<v Speaker 1>They had been following this creature for a few weeks,
<v Speaker 1>possibly a few months, and they split up and one
<v Speaker 1>of the researchers ran back and he said, I saw
<v Speaker 1>a creature that resembled a werewolf. The other researcher wrote
<v Speaker 1>him off and said there's no such thing. But he
<v Speaker 1>also got the firearms ready. He said, take this. So
<v Speaker 1>later on they heard the little juvenile run out of
<v Speaker 1>the woods like something was chasing it, and they both
<v Speaker 1>saw the dog man. They shot it several times. And
<v Speaker 1>that's freaky. I think that story was on Mysteries Unknown
<v Speaker 1>with Joshua and man, that's a terrifying thing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but yeah, he's always see Joshua. Oh, you know,
<v Speaker 2>we talk and text on the phone often, and he's
<v Speaker 2>always asking how my wife is doing and all that stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and and uh, like you know, we stay in touch,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, he's always praying for us and everything,
<v Speaker 2>and so we doubt that and and uh, you know,
<v Speaker 2>Daniel and other people that's that's in the community, you know.
<v Speaker 2>But uh yeah, this thing made it personal. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like I don't know, it seems every
<v Speaker 2>time I think about it, I get more angrier and
<v Speaker 2>angry because I mean, I love my wife, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, Like me, like, if I have to
<v Speaker 2>jump in the ocean after a great white to save
<v Speaker 2>my wife, I would do it. That's how much I
<v Speaker 2>love my wife, you know what I'm saying. You know,
<v Speaker 2>And uh like this thing just made it personal, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and it's just like, I mean, this is
<v Speaker 2>the wildest thing that ever happened. Like now I want
<v Speaker 2>to I'll tell you I never other than that day
<v Speaker 2>when I was looking up to the trailer, I never
<v Speaker 2>had a bad experience with Bigfoot. Never even with my
<v Speaker 2>three guys, like you mean, I'll call them my three guys,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. But I never had a
<v Speaker 2>bad encounter with the bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like the dog man or hostile. And
<v Speaker 1>that was going to be one of my next questions, Like,
<v Speaker 1>did you guys ever have nightmares after that?
<v Speaker 2>Often?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>My wife, my wife who works up two three in
<v Speaker 2>the morning, and you know, she gets up you're screaming
<v Speaker 2>and crying and U like, again, we both no cigarettes.
<v Speaker 2>But like at nighttime, it was like nine ten o'clock
<v Speaker 2>at night, my wife won't get out of the house,
<v Speaker 2>you know, to sit on the porch, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>mean to have coffee or or to have a cigarette
<v Speaker 2>or less I'm out there with her. Yeah, would not
<v Speaker 2>get it, do.
<v Speaker 1>You guys house?
<v Speaker 2>Huh?
<v Speaker 1>Do you guys live in a forested area?
<v Speaker 2>I live in a neighborhood like a normal neighborhood. But
<v Speaker 2>if you drive one two miles or should not even
<v Speaker 2>really not even if you drive a mile away from
<v Speaker 2>the house, like like you can hit forest and farmland.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, that's good that you live at least a
<v Speaker 1>couple of miles away from forest and farmland, because once
<v Speaker 1>these creatures get your scent, they can find you anywhere.
<v Speaker 1>So just remember that when you guys are out there
<v Speaker 1>in the woods at night.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's just like you mean, like I said,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like my wife, ye know, she'll wake up
<v Speaker 2>and she'll be screaming me out of the sleep, you know,
<v Speaker 2>two or three in the morning, and uh, and you
<v Speaker 2>know it's just you know, she's still having a bad Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's what makes me more anger and anger. See my
<v Speaker 2>wife's that she's still like you're suffering from this, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And it's like Dad said that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, she got your PSTD whatever that thing is called,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean your PTSD or I mean so,
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, she and she will not leave the house
<v Speaker 2>at night unless I'm outside with her. Like if it's
<v Speaker 2>eight nine o'clock at night and she wants to go
<v Speaker 2>smoking cigarette, we'll smoke in the house. I have to
<v Speaker 2>go out there. So so let's say. Yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>if I'm sleeping and it's eleven o'clock at night and
<v Speaker 2>she wants to have a cup of coffee, and like,
<v Speaker 2>you'll sit on the porch. Even though we live in neighborhood,
<v Speaker 2>she wakes me up and I got to go out
<v Speaker 2>there with her all the time every day. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't blame her. I mean that would be
<v Speaker 1>a natural reaction for anyone who's ran into these creatures,
<v Speaker 1>especially someone who's been grabbed by one of them and
<v Speaker 1>almost taken. It almost makes you wonder if some of
<v Speaker 1>the missing people is necessarily related to Bigfoot, but possibly
<v Speaker 1>dog Man, especially with the Land between the Lakes story yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean yeah, like Daral Danton there goes
<v Speaker 2>over the land between the lakes here with his friends
<v Speaker 2>himself and they do research out there. They encountered a
<v Speaker 2>dog man over there down the land between the lakes. Man,
<v Speaker 2>you mean they do research over there, and me personally,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is how I look at it, you mean,
<v Speaker 2>as a hunter, and like I said, I consider myself
<v Speaker 2>a woodsman. If you got four people walking the trail, okay,
<v Speaker 2>and let's say, you know, let's just say a cougar
<v Speaker 2>jumps out of the woods and takes the fourth person, Well,
<v Speaker 2>that cougar is going to make noise when it jumps
<v Speaker 2>on you. You're going to make noise. You know, people
<v Speaker 2>are going to hear this that's in front of you
<v Speaker 2>and they're going to turn around, or or a bear
<v Speaker 2>or you know what I mean. I walked up on
<v Speaker 2>rattlesteaks and my wife jumps back, Oh, it's the rattle sneak,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So I don't believe. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it could happen, because you know, probably happened before. But
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe a lot of these, you know, four
<v Speaker 2>one one was by you know, regular wild animals like
<v Speaker 2>bears and cougars. When these people disappear, you don't hear anything.
<v Speaker 2>The thing is, people be walking and you know they'll
<v Speaker 2>turn around and give me the friends are gone, and
<v Speaker 2>they ain't hear nothing. So I'm sorry, I don't believe
<v Speaker 2>you mean, like I mean, how people say, oh could
<v Speaker 2>have been a cougar, Oh could have been a bear,
<v Speaker 2>or could have been a wolf or whatever. You know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, if it was, you would have heard it,
<v Speaker 2>like you know what I'm saying. I mean, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you can hear something coming. But when these people go
<v Speaker 2>missing and they're like let's say four that are hiking
<v Speaker 2>down this trail and nobody hears nothing, Well what took them?
<v Speaker 2>That didn't make any noise?
<v Speaker 1>M yeah, that's very good.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, you know, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the woods all the time. You mean, I
<v Speaker 2>I know when I can hear a kyo, I could
<v Speaker 2>hear a fox coming, you know what I mean. I
<v Speaker 2>could hear a deer coming or whatever. But you know,
<v Speaker 2>how can you not hear something taking somebody off of
<v Speaker 2>a trail that's like two feet every three feet behind you?
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm trying to say that don't make
<v Speaker 2>no sense to me.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. And the researcher that went out to
<v Speaker 1>the area where you had these encounters that you mentioned,
<v Speaker 1>he found these tree markers, like these scratch marks on
<v Speaker 1>the trees. I've found similar. I've found them two different
<v Speaker 1>times in one of my bigfoot research areas where I've
<v Speaker 1>had experiences, and it looks like these giant claws going
<v Speaker 1>down these pine trees, and I've documented at two different times.
<v Speaker 1>I often wondered if that was possibly the Sasquatch or
<v Speaker 1>is there a dog man in the area. What are
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts?
<v Speaker 2>I always felt about that too, because you mean like
<v Speaker 2>these three now, not that I received them, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like like you know up close, like I'll as like
<v Speaker 2>I said, you mean that. I mean I've seen him
<v Speaker 2>like fifty sixty yards away all the time when I
<v Speaker 2>do see him, But I don't think they have claws.
<v Speaker 2>I think they got regular hands and nails like you
<v Speaker 2>and me. Now, the dog man that I've I've been
<v Speaker 2>having these accounts with, I know he's got claws. I've
<v Speaker 2>seen him up close. It's like I said, his hands
<v Speaker 2>are like human hands, but they do got claws.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's what I've heard from everyone who's encountered
<v Speaker 1>a dog man that they have these long, scary looking claws,
<v Speaker 1>huge hands.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Now, now, now as far as big Foot goes,
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen claws on a bigfoot. I mean you mean,
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, like I said, the three that I've
<v Speaker 2>been like engaging with, you know, you know for the
<v Speaker 2>past couple of years, I've never seen claws on them
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. Or I've never seen any like
<v Speaker 2>any claw marks on trees either. Yeah, so you know,
<v Speaker 2>but the dog man, I know, I know he has clauses.
<v Speaker 2>I see him up up and close in personal.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I think that would make more sense. Do
<v Speaker 1>you believe Bigfoot and dog man are related or from
<v Speaker 1>two different worlds entirely?
<v Speaker 2>I think I think that two different creatures. I don't
<v Speaker 2>believe that from what I seen. I mean from my
<v Speaker 2>encounters and form what I seen, I don't think they
<v Speaker 2>have They're not like related in any way. I don't
<v Speaker 2>believe they are. Yeah, and I mean that's my opinion opinion. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>do you think that?
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think the Pine barren seems to attract
<v Speaker 1>so much activity? Could the cemetery be a portal or
<v Speaker 1>possibly a hot spot?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. G I mean, everybody talks about, you know,
<v Speaker 2>with these dogment encounters. It's always you really around the cemetery. Yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>As far as the Pine Barrens, I don't know if
<v Speaker 2>you ever been in there, like you mean, like in
<v Speaker 2>your travels, but the Pine Barrens my opinion, my feelings,
<v Speaker 2>and I've been there. I've been going in there since
<v Speaker 2>I was like fifteen, sixteen years old, and you mean
<v Speaker 2>I'm fifty four right now. I've been all over the
<v Speaker 2>Pine Bearns, the Pine Barrens. Like during the day, it's
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful place, like you mean, the water is clear,
<v Speaker 2>the trees are beautiful, you mean the plants. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you mean it's a beautiful place during the day, but
<v Speaker 2>it seems like when the sun goes down. I mean
<v Speaker 2>my feelings that this is a very it's a very
<v Speaker 2>evil place. I mean, like the Pine Barrens, I mean there.
<v Speaker 2>I had heard of your stories from people telling me this,
<v Speaker 2>like you know back in the day, you know, when
<v Speaker 2>the mob used to on the live people, they used
<v Speaker 2>to bury him back there, and then you got the
<v Speaker 2>story of the Jersey Devil, which I'm not going to
<v Speaker 2>ever say that. I don't believe in the Jersey Devil
<v Speaker 2>because I used to say the same thing about a
<v Speaker 2>dog man. So I learned my lesson about saying there's
<v Speaker 2>no such saying. But in my view to deal with
<v Speaker 2>the Jersey Devil, I think that these people saw a
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot or they could have seen a dog man back
<v Speaker 2>in the day day. That's what everybody been seeing all
<v Speaker 2>these years, because I don't think a creature's going to
<v Speaker 2>live over one hundred years old, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>So whatever it is, it's got to have a partner,
<v Speaker 2>and it's got to you know, be able to make babies,
<v Speaker 2>you know, for these people to see these things all
<v Speaker 2>the way back from the eighteen hundreds all the way
<v Speaker 2>till now. Yeah, so what I'm saying, yeah, so you
<v Speaker 2>know that's how That's how I'm thinking about that. But
<v Speaker 2>the Pine Burns, it could be, uh. I mean, they
<v Speaker 2>there was a hunter. If you look it up on YouTube.
<v Speaker 2>I forget, I forget the child's name, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>look up on YouTube it's a missing hunter. And then
<v Speaker 2>looking up with Pine Burns there's a hunter that went
<v Speaker 2>missing back there and they never found his body. They
<v Speaker 2>found his truck, but they never on the hunter and
<v Speaker 2>he's from Mace Landing, New Jersey. I believe I've.
<v Speaker 1>Heard so many cryptid encounters and paranormal experiences in the
<v Speaker 1>Pine Barrens. It's mind boggling. And it could be because
<v Speaker 1>it's a huge forest, there's spring water there and a
<v Speaker 1>lot of animals there for them to eat. But also
<v Speaker 1>on a supernatural side, it could be that the land
<v Speaker 1>is cursed. There could be giants buried underneath there. There
<v Speaker 1>could have been witch trials, there could be a cult
<v Speaker 1>activity in the area. It's hard to say, it's hard
<v Speaker 1>to pinpoint what's going on, but something, well.
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of satanic stuff that goes in there
<v Speaker 2>because a lot of times, like you mean, not recently,
<v Speaker 2>but but like in the pass, you know, we used
<v Speaker 2>to go through there and we used to see like
<v Speaker 2>a lot of satanic stuff in there, Like you mean
<v Speaker 2>that that embling don't talking about you and that against
<v Speaker 2>satanic embling what they call it the uh yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and uh you know that they were doing satanic stuff
<v Speaker 2>in there, you know what I mean. But then I
<v Speaker 2>heard heard from stories from people that I know, you know,
<v Speaker 2>know personally, but you know they seen ghosts over there.
<v Speaker 2>Do you mean there's one guy that that he told
<v Speaker 2>me that, well, you know, him and his wife was
<v Speaker 2>camping out there one night and they swore to saw
<v Speaker 2>they saw like a flying saucer that was going over
<v Speaker 2>over the trees. You know, I mean real close to
<v Speaker 2>the trees, but you mean just you know, barely like
<v Speaker 2>above the trees and uh men. And like me still
<v Speaker 2>to today, him and his wife they swear about that,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. I never seen nothing like that,
<v Speaker 2>but you mean they have. But that pine barrens, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I mean you hear a lot going in there. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like like give me sitting on your camp
<v Speaker 2>chair over a fire, and all of a sudden you're
<v Speaker 2>here a weird noise that you never heard before, Like
<v Speaker 2>whether it's a growl or a howl, or a tree
<v Speaker 2>brand break or I mean I heard one time I
<v Speaker 2>actually heard a tree fall. Now I don't know if
<v Speaker 2>that was digfoot, I don't know because I didn't see it,
<v Speaker 2>but I heard it. And you know how when a
<v Speaker 2>tree makes a thump sound when it hits the ground.
<v Speaker 2>I heard that, you know, but you mean could have
<v Speaker 2>been a dead tree. I don't know, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, But like every time you go in there,
<v Speaker 2>at least with me, I always hear something. We're back
<v Speaker 2>in the pine barrens always, always, always always, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Now, when I go into pine barons,
<v Speaker 2>I don't go theren there by myself, I believe me.
<v Speaker 2>If you don't know the ever very well, you can
<v Speaker 2>get lost really easy backet a palm brand, You can
<v Speaker 2>get turned around. I mean, you know that's a that's
<v Speaker 2>a place where I mean even I got lost in there,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And you mean I've been
<v Speaker 2>going into since I was fifteen years old, like I said,
<v Speaker 2>And you know, sometimes I get turned around and I'm
<v Speaker 2>with other people, you know what I mean. So that's
<v Speaker 2>how that's how dense, and you mean that's how dark
<v Speaker 2>that place can be. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely that's just a spooky area. And oh yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you got to be careful going Yeah, just be careful
<v Speaker 1>going back there. I know you want to hunt this
<v Speaker 1>thing down, you want revenge on the thing, and you
<v Speaker 1>hold a lot of resentment against it. But also remember
<v Speaker 1>that they can sneak up on you and you won't
<v Speaker 1>even know it. So next time maybe they'll be more careful.
<v Speaker 1>But also you got to be more prepared because it
<v Speaker 1>sounds like you're on their hit list.
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's how I feel. I mean, I think
<v Speaker 2>this thing knows my truck knows me, and it wants
<v Speaker 2>to bully me, you know what I mean. And what
<v Speaker 2>he did was when he grabbed my wife. And when
<v Speaker 2>that happened, it split second. You know, it just made
<v Speaker 2>a personal between me and it. You know what I'm saying,
<v Speaker 2>And you know it is what it is. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I know people are going to say doing negative stuff
<v Speaker 2>about that about you know, I should want to kill
<v Speaker 2>it or you know, blah blah blah, But it made
<v Speaker 2>a personal I mean, when you mess with my wife,
<v Speaker 2>you mess with my world. And that's it, bro, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. I'm not you know. Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>And did the creature make a vocalization when you shot it?
<v Speaker 2>Or was it just oh yeah? Yet the first two
<v Speaker 2>shots that didn't make him move, uh, I was, it
<v Speaker 2>didn't punch and it didn't make a sound. The first
<v Speaker 2>shot it made a sound, but the a fourth shot,
<v Speaker 2>that's when it screamed like a freight train. And you
<v Speaker 2>mean you mean dropped my wife's arm. I mean, I
<v Speaker 2>let her go and it went into the woods. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it was screaming all the way into the woods to
<v Speaker 2>me like a train, and it was crashing through the
<v Speaker 2>woods me just just like a train would. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>if you take a train blowing the horn and going
<v Speaker 2>through the woods off the track, that's what That's what
<v Speaker 2>it sounded like. So you mean at that second, right there,
<v Speaker 2>that moment, I wasn't paying attention to it. I mean
<v Speaker 2>I could hear it, but I wasn't paying attention to
<v Speaker 2>it because I wanted to get my wife in the truck.
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. My first agenda was getting
<v Speaker 2>my wife in the truck. Man. You mean making sure
<v Speaker 2>she was okay. So that was my only agenda at
<v Speaker 2>that time. And then when me and then when me,
<v Speaker 2>I was in the hospital and you mean they had
<v Speaker 2>her in the next ray your room, and you mean,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting there, I'm thinking, That's when I'm That's when
<v Speaker 2>I started getting angry. And then I got angry on
<v Speaker 2>myself because, like I said, I should have known better
<v Speaker 2>because I ain't hear anything in the woods, and me
<v Speaker 2>being a woodsman, I should have known something in the
<v Speaker 2>woods if you don't hear nothing and everything's quiet. And
<v Speaker 2>then the third thing was I was saying to myself,
<v Speaker 2>you know, sitting in the waiting room, I should have
<v Speaker 2>shot him in the back of the head. All four
<v Speaker 2>shots I should have landed in the back of the head. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean that's you know, that's my you know,
<v Speaker 2>that's my I mean, like you, sometimes I won't even
<v Speaker 2>have to be thinking about it. I'm having a cup
<v Speaker 2>of coffee, I'm sitting on the porch and that pop
<v Speaker 2>of my head. I should have shot in the back
<v Speaker 2>of the head. Yeah, it's just weird. I mean.
<v Speaker 1>You know, my friend that I do bigfoot research with,
<v Speaker 1>he has a tourist judge and he's specifically bought silver
<v Speaker 1>bullets in case he runs into a dog man. Sounds
<v Speaker 1>a little bit out there, but you just never know.
<v Speaker 2>Do what to the bullets?
<v Speaker 1>Then he bought silver bullets. They're may specifically for dog men.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well, you know what, that's not funny. A
<v Speaker 2>lot of people told me to do that, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. There's a couple researchers that have contacted
<v Speaker 2>me and they said, you know, this might south far
<v Speaker 2>fetch or might sound Hollywood, but you should have some
<v Speaker 2>silver bullets on you. I'm thinking, why, I mean, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean you you know what I'm saying. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you know, but yeah, I thought the first time I
<v Speaker 2>heard that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And man, I just don't blame you. I think
<v Speaker 1>you did the right thing. And I don't think any
<v Speaker 1>of the listeners will say, how dare you shoot that thing?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was trying to kill your wife, so
<v Speaker 1>I would have done the same thing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, it's just like to be honest with you.
<v Speaker 2>You mean, I mean, I'm going to tell you, just
<v Speaker 2>like I tell my other friends that are researchers and
<v Speaker 2>you know, podcasts. As far as I feel right now,
<v Speaker 2>it's not over between me and in it, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, something's going. If it's still alive. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's still like is. I haven't looked
<v Speaker 2>for it. I don't know now thinks I might have
<v Speaker 2>killed it. I don't know, because the way it ran
<v Speaker 2>into the woods, I don't know. But if it's still
<v Speaker 2>alive and I'm still alive, it's not over between me
<v Speaker 2>and it. And I'm not trying to sound like a
<v Speaker 2>badass or nothing like that. I'm just being serious. It's
<v Speaker 2>not over, you know what I mean, It's not over.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my intuition tells me that you are going to
<v Speaker 1>have another encounter with one of these creatures, and you
<v Speaker 1>just have to be as prepared as possible.
<v Speaker 2>Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm prepared to trust me to
<v Speaker 2>believe me.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you being out there will lure this creature out.
<v Speaker 1>Well excuse me, I said you just being out there
<v Speaker 1>will possibly lure this creature out because it sounds like
<v Speaker 1>they're attracted.
<v Speaker 2>You only things what I always think, like like you
<v Speaker 2>know how when you bake beer, when you bait bear,
<v Speaker 2>I think all I have to do is pull up
<v Speaker 2>in my truck and use me for bait. That's all
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think that's why the researcher kept wanting
<v Speaker 1>you to go out at nighttime, because he knew if
<v Speaker 1>you were there something would possibly happen.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's what I think. It's it. You know,
<v Speaker 2>me and Dowd. You know, we're good friends, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. I call him brother here, he calls
<v Speaker 2>me brother. We always stayed in touch, yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>but sometimes at the beginning, I'm thinking, well, maybe he
<v Speaker 2>wanted to use me for me, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but yeah, that's what that's what I'm thinking.
<v Speaker 2>I said to mean, like I'm thinking, if it's still there,
<v Speaker 2>if it's still alive. I just used my truck and
<v Speaker 2>I used me as bait. That's it. If it's there.
<v Speaker 2>I know it will come out. I know it will it.
<v Speaker 2>Just I had that feeling in my heart, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, And I give me that, give me
<v Speaker 2>that feeling.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel that way too. I told you off
<v Speaker 1>air that I've heard a dog man out in the
<v Speaker 1>woods and it sounded like a Hollywood werewolf call, followed
<v Speaker 1>up by a woman screaming, kind of like you mentioned,
<v Speaker 1>like the freight train sound, and it was such a
<v Speaker 1>horrifying sound that it couldn't have been any other animal
<v Speaker 1>out there in the forest.
<v Speaker 2>Like got to raise every hair on your body.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you hear these stories about Bigfoot coming out and
<v Speaker 1>the dog will cower down. That's what a dog man
<v Speaker 1>vocalization will do. It will just stop you in your tracks.
<v Speaker 1>You'll cover both ears with your hands and just cower down.
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's what I did. I heard it from
<v Speaker 1>inside my house. I had the window open, and it's
<v Speaker 1>right there in the woodline, And I mean, this thing,
<v Speaker 1>how's so loud? That it sounded like somebody blasted a
<v Speaker 1>werewolf call through a PA system. It was that loud
<v Speaker 1>and then it's screamed after it how like a.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people, people who have never never seen or heard
<v Speaker 2>a dog man will never like, they will never realize
<v Speaker 2>how loud and how this thing like you mean, when
<v Speaker 2>they scream, it goes right through your body. You know,
<v Speaker 2>there's just something that goes like you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>and every hair on your body will stand up, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. I mean, you know it's it's
<v Speaker 2>it's crazy. I mean, you know, yeah, and I don't
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I don't wish nobody ever see a
<v Speaker 2>dog man, you know what I mean. I don't wish that.
<v Speaker 2>I think. I think a dog man is very evil.
<v Speaker 2>I think, like I know that's going to sound weird,
<v Speaker 2>and you probably never heard this, but I believe, like
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I sit back and think about it, I think
<v Speaker 2>a dog man it's so evil that sometimes I say
<v Speaker 2>to myself, it could be a pet of Satan's pet,
<v Speaker 2>but you and me will have a lab for a dog.
<v Speaker 2>I think these are his pets. That's what I'm thinking.
<v Speaker 2>This is not evil.
<v Speaker 1>Thing is Yeah, I agree, I feel the same way.
<v Speaker 1>And Satan is a counterfeit. So you have God, then
<v Speaker 1>you have Satan, you have Jesus, you have the anti Christ,
<v Speaker 1>you have the Holy Spirit, you have evil spirits. And
<v Speaker 1>I feel like since God created the animals in the
<v Speaker 1>animal Kingdom, he would have his own types of animals
<v Speaker 1>in his own creation, like a counterfeit version.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's how you mean. That's how I think
<v Speaker 2>of the dog man. I think it's that evil. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean I've seen it up close, and I see
<v Speaker 2>the eyes. Not give me the bigfoots. I never seen
<v Speaker 2>evil in their eyes like that. This thing here, when
<v Speaker 2>it looks at you, you know what's looking at you.
<v Speaker 2>It's I mean, it's the most evil thing that you
<v Speaker 2>possibly can look at.
<v Speaker 1>You can tell they're super intelligent too when they look
<v Speaker 1>at You've heard that from a lot of people.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh they are. It's like, I know, I know
<v Speaker 2>this particular creature. I mean, I didn't see the other
<v Speaker 2>one that hold, but you know this particular creature, I
<v Speaker 2>know it knows my truck and it knows me. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And I interviewed Matt from Youngstown, Ohio. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if you ever heard that dog man encounter. But he
<v Speaker 1>said the same thing that I had, these yellow amber
<v Speaker 1>looking eyes, and you described the exact same way.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, but you Alma just pull up with drivers
<v Speaker 2>during not walking away so you don't hear the car town.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean these things are I mean, I
<v Speaker 2>I know they come from the bottom pit of hell. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean that's how I mean I feel
<v Speaker 2>about it. That's how I think when you look at it,
<v Speaker 2>you're close up, that's what it is.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And swamp dog. What would you say to
<v Speaker 1>the listeners out there that are very skeptical and they're saying,
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's bigfoot, but there ain't no such thing as
<v Speaker 1>dog man this guy's line. What would you have to
<v Speaker 1>say to them?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I pray and hope that they never ever see one. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Or maybe that's why I can.
<v Speaker 1>Say, yeah, maybe that's what it's going to take for
<v Speaker 1>them to believe.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and they do see one, I hope
<v Speaker 2>and pray that they make it out okay, because these things,
<v Speaker 2>these things are evil. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Was the cemetery a newer cemetery or wasn't an old
<v Speaker 1>one that isn't used anymore.
<v Speaker 2>As an old cemetery. I've seen stones in there from
<v Speaker 2>the early eighteen hundreds. Okay, no, just walk the cemetery
<v Speaker 2>with dow and and like you mean, we've seen stones
<v Speaker 2>as far as like the early eighteen hundreds and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it makes you wonder though. I mean, my only
<v Speaker 1>physical explanation would have been maybe they just buried a
<v Speaker 1>body there, and these things can smell way lower than
<v Speaker 1>six feet or however far they bury bodies to keep crit.
<v Speaker 2>Well, we worked out there, like you know, we didn't
<v Speaker 2>see we didn't see uh, you know, we didn't see
<v Speaker 2>much of like I mean new new burial sites, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying, Like, you know, there wasn't no
<v Speaker 2>new burial sites. I think the oldest one was like
<v Speaker 2>out of nineteen ninety nine, ninety eight something like that.
<v Speaker 2>So you mean I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Well then I'm leaning more towards the supernatural
<v Speaker 1>than there's just something evil about all this.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, Well.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you did an excellent job and describing
<v Speaker 1>these experiences, and I felt like I was right there
<v Speaker 1>with you and I could envision everything that you encountered.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I mean I feel the same way like
<v Speaker 1>the sasquatch you can deal with them. You interacted with them,
<v Speaker 1>you were leaving them food and items, and the dog
<v Speaker 1>man that that just it feels.
<v Speaker 2>You can't you can't do nothing with a dog man.
<v Speaker 2>Just we're on a shoot. I thought that you could
<v Speaker 2>do with that. Yeah, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>One last question, Why do you think the Sasquatch were
<v Speaker 1>leaving items on your car?
<v Speaker 2>I think because we were gifting them. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>I believe that, you know, they got to know me
<v Speaker 2>and my wife because we were always in and out
<v Speaker 2>of there and we were always gifting them. And I
<v Speaker 2>you know, I said to today, I think I built
<v Speaker 2>a relationship with them. But you mean like a friendly relationship,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, you know, but
<v Speaker 2>you know that's how I feel about that.
<v Speaker 1>I also feel like they were letting you know that
<v Speaker 1>they watched you go into the area and they knew
<v Speaker 1>that they.
<v Speaker 2>Were in there. Yeah. Well yeah, like I said, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I feel comfortable walking to my stands or to my
<v Speaker 2>blind I allud feel safe, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>It's I mean, I feel like I'm at peace, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Yeah, that's you know what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but not not with a dog mate. That's
<v Speaker 2>a totally different Uh, that's a totally different situation right there.
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, I do believe they come from
<v Speaker 2>the pit of Hell, you know what I mean. That's
<v Speaker 2>that's my opinion, you know what I mean. Like, for
<v Speaker 2>what I've seen and for what I've been dealing with,
<v Speaker 2>they're the most evil thing on the face of the earth. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Now, I feel like I've seen one before and yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I gave you the description and it was similar to yours.
<v Speaker 1>It looked like a hyena. This thing was on all fours,
<v Speaker 1>but it had a maine around its neck and it
<v Speaker 1>was just bulky, like huge, Like.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this thing was like twice the size of Oor
<v Speaker 2>Swarzenegger when he was in the best of his days.
<v Speaker 2>This thing was big.
<v Speaker 1>This thing was I always described it like a lion.
<v Speaker 1>You see lions on TV and you're like, wow, they're
<v Speaker 1>a big but until you see one in the zoo,
<v Speaker 1>You're like, wow, I didn't know that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got a little zoo here in Brisity, Jersey.
<v Speaker 2>And you mean they got the dingle tires, you I
<v Speaker 2>mean the tigers and you mean I was like going
<v Speaker 2>to them and uh, you mean the size of them. Man,
<v Speaker 2>You mean, I just could imagine being in Middle Africa
<v Speaker 2>and confront one of these things, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that dog man creature produced some sort
<v Speaker 1>of infrasound when you froze and you weren't able to move?
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts about?
<v Speaker 2>I think it did because I couldn't move and a
<v Speaker 2>part of my body if I wanted to. I tried
<v Speaker 2>to move my arms and I couldn't move my arms
<v Speaker 2>and my legs because I wanted to get away and
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't. The only time I the only time I
<v Speaker 2>was able to move was when it disappeared in the
<v Speaker 2>tree line, after that howl happened, I mean, when the
<v Speaker 2>second one held. That's when that's when it ran away,
<v Speaker 2>and then I was able to I was able to move,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And what did the house sound like? Was it
<v Speaker 1>like the werewolf? How like?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It was it was like you hear on TV,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, when a werewolf makes it?
<v Speaker 2>How but just times out by ten? Yeah? You know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>I think we heard the same thing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you know that's uh, that's that's the only
<v Speaker 2>way how I could explain it. You know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, I've encountered bigfoot multiple times, and I do
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot research out in the woods. I'll camp out there.
<v Speaker 1>But what scares me the most is thinking about that werewolf,
<v Speaker 1>how that dog man that I heard when I was
<v Speaker 1>a kid. For some reason, that scares me more than
<v Speaker 1>the sightings. I don't know why.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it just it's like you hear but you
<v Speaker 2>don't know where that you know what I'm saying that.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the most scariest part is when you
<v Speaker 2>hear it but you don't see it, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean. I need to hear it and you see it, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>then you know what to do. But when you hear
<v Speaker 2>it and you don't see it, that's a totally different
<v Speaker 2>because you don't know where to walk. Go left, go right,
<v Speaker 2>go for go back, you know what I mean. You
<v Speaker 2>know That's how I look at that.
<v Speaker 1>Literally, Satan's secret agents. I mean, I don't know what
<v Speaker 1>they are, Like you said, they're straight from the depths
<v Speaker 1>of Hell.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's what that's my belief. I believe that
<v Speaker 2>a pensil Satan, I really do, you know what I mean? Like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, people might laugh at that but I really
<v Speaker 2>do believe that they're a pensil Satan because this is
<v Speaker 2>the most evil thing I ever encountered in my life.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's definitely not good. It's definitely not holy.
<v Speaker 2>Now, Oh there's nothing holy about this thing. No, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I at this.
<v Speaker 1>I hope you never see this thing again. I know
<v Speaker 1>you want revenge, but I just hope you never run
<v Speaker 1>into it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah again. But I you know, I don't know see
<v Speaker 2>what happens.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you do contact me, and I want to
<v Speaker 1>hear what unfolds, and it'll give me more of an
<v Speaker 1>idea of what's kind of happened in my life and
<v Speaker 1>what's happening to other people that are targeted by these
<v Speaker 1>cryptid creatures. And I feel like people are looking for answers.
<v Speaker 1>So it would definitely be beneficial if something else happens
<v Speaker 1>and you contact me. Even if you find out something
<v Speaker 1>that blows your mind that you feel like you can't
<v Speaker 1>talk about, you can still call me and talk about it,
<v Speaker 1>even if it doesn't go on the show.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, yeah, Diig. I will just be careful, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like I said, these things, these things like
<v Speaker 2>if you're not prepared, like you know, what I'm talking about.
<v Speaker 2>Just be careful, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm buying a tactical forty five seventy. Sure
<v Speaker 1>we get down talking today.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, well I mean I got one of them too,
<v Speaker 2>so but uh yeah, but yeah, yeah yeah, just be careful.
<v Speaker 2>I mean if you see, like I feel like, if
<v Speaker 2>you have encountered one, I think they remember you. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know that you mean by looking or by smiling.
<v Speaker 2>I think I think they do remember you. You know
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying that you're just something that mean that.
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, absolutely, I mean once they catch your
<v Speaker 1>scent that's brained in their memory, and if they're hunting you,
<v Speaker 1>that they will find you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean I even heard stories of this thing,
<v Speaker 2>like you're following people like you, I mean following to
<v Speaker 2>their houses, give me to their homes, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they also get in your dreams. And it
<v Speaker 1>sounds like that's possibly what's happening to your wife.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, anything like I said, my wife, my wife
<v Speaker 2>she's yeah, I mean, she's not going to get this
<v Speaker 2>is why I'm so angry, because my wife is not
<v Speaker 2>doing to give with this. I mean, you know, she'll
<v Speaker 2>wake up maybe four times out of seven a week
<v Speaker 2>by well, you know, screaming, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>Like in her dreams. I mean, she have nightmares of
<v Speaker 2>this thing and and I mean, I'm telling you, I
<v Speaker 2>s the son goes down, like she don't need the house.
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's I go outside with her, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean. So it's you know, that's that's what's been
<v Speaker 2>going on with us.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, well I hope she don't know what.
<v Speaker 2>I don't.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you'll never find peace with the situation
<v Speaker 1>like that, Like you're always gonna wake up with nightmares
<v Speaker 1>screaming that this thing's got me. And I just don't
<v Speaker 1>feel like you can find peace in a situation like that.
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think you could. I don't think you can.
<v Speaker 2>You mean, because you mean, I'm thinking, let's just say,
<v Speaker 2>even even if I killed this thing, she's still going
<v Speaker 2>to have nightmares, like you know what I mean, like
<v Speaker 2>not going to end, you know what I mean, Like
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, I mean, I'll have my revenge if
<v Speaker 2>I survived, But like she's always going to have these
<v Speaker 2>nightmareess I believe, you know what I mean. So I
<v Speaker 2>asked her to go to the doctors. About it, you know,
<v Speaker 2>talk to somebody. But you know she doesn't want to
<v Speaker 2>do that. So but I can't blame her, because how
<v Speaker 2>can you say, hey, this is why i'm having night marriage,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? You can You can't just
<v Speaker 2>talk to anybody about.
<v Speaker 1>This, right, and it'll just make the situation worse. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>just remember if you do kill one, there's more around
<v Speaker 1>in the area, so just be careful.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I know. It's like I say, I heard
<v Speaker 2>the how, but but I didn't. I didn't see the
<v Speaker 2>other creature, you know what I mean. But you mean
<v Speaker 2>I did hear the second hel and I always said
<v Speaker 2>that's the only thing that saved me. I believe that night,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I agree. All right, swamp Dog. You did
<v Speaker 1>an excellent job at describing these experieneances, and I'm very
<v Speaker 1>grateful that you shared them here in my channel. And
<v Speaker 1>it's definitely going to spook me whenever I'm out there
<v Speaker 1>camping in the woods at nighttime, I'm going to be
<v Speaker 1>thinking about your encounters and shaking in my boots.
<v Speaker 2>Man. Yeah, just so just watch your back, bros. I
<v Speaker 2>mean that dog Man's not a dog bro. I'm serious,
<v Speaker 2>big foot, you can handle a dog man. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's totally something different.
<v Speaker 1>I'm always on high alert even if I hear a
<v Speaker 1>squirrel moving through the woods like I never just ride
<v Speaker 1>it off. And like you said earlier, like bears and
<v Speaker 1>mountain lions, they can sneak up on you, but so
<v Speaker 1>can these things.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yep. So all right, brother, I will talk
<v Speaker 2>to you later than.
<v Speaker 1>All right, thank you, and you and your wife will
<v Speaker 1>be in my prayers, my friend.
<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you, brother, thank you, yeah, thank you
<v Speaker 2>you take care, all right, thank you you too.
<v Speaker 1>Bright all right, swamp dog, I appreciate you for sharing
<v Speaker 1>your bigfoot encounters and experiences with me, and the dog
<v Speaker 1>man encounters were truly chilling to the bone. I agree
<v Speaker 1>with you about the statement you made regarding these creatures
<v Speaker 1>being straight from the pits of Hell, and they certainly
<v Speaker 1>do seem to be evil. The fact that it tried
<v Speaker 1>to grab your wife is truly chilling, and I can't
<v Speaker 1>imagine how you felt in that moment. And I don't
<v Speaker 1>think anyone's going to ridicule you for shooting at this
<v Speaker 1>thing as it tried to take your wife. And I
<v Speaker 1>do believe this is an answer to the missing people reports. Obviously,
<v Speaker 1>not every missing person is due to ENCRYPTID, but some
<v Speaker 1>of the strange unsolved mysteries and the times where they
<v Speaker 1>find people's bodies mangled in a strange manner, I believe
<v Speaker 1>this could possibly be the case. And it does sound
<v Speaker 1>like you are on their hit list. They are a
<v Speaker 1>super predator and once they catch your scent, they will
<v Speaker 1>find you in the forest. I wonder why you Why
<v Speaker 1>are they targeting you. You seem to think it's because
<v Speaker 1>of your Camo truck and they're able to identify that
<v Speaker 1>when they see it, which it possibly could be. But
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely some resentment towards you and these dogmen creatures
<v Speaker 1>going both ways, and I hope for your safety that
<v Speaker 1>you never run into these things again. But if you do,
<v Speaker 1>make sure it's a headshot and don't stop until the
<v Speaker 1>creature goes down, and just remember that there are more
<v Speaker 1>than just one, and they run in packs. The dogmen
<v Speaker 1>will mark trees similar to grizzly bears, and they are
<v Speaker 1>just marking their territory, and they have a vast territory.
<v Speaker 1>But I hope for anyone's sake that they never run
<v Speaker 1>into one of these things, because just hearing them is
<v Speaker 1>truly terrifying. Thank you everyone for listening and I appreciate
<v Speaker 1>all the viewers. And if you have a dog man
<v Speaker 1>or bigfoot encounter that you would like to share with
<v Speaker 1>me here on Sasquatch Theory, please get in touch with
<v Speaker 1>me at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. Until the
<v Speaker 1>next cryptan encounter, you guys be safe out in the forest.