Hour 2 – Pistons Rebound, Bill Cowher

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Speaker 2: This Thursday, Dan and the Dan. It's Dan Patrick Show. Beautiful day here in Pittsburgh. Sun is out, Temperatures probably in the upper seventies, probably in the upper sixties maybe when first pick is announced tonight. It is a meet Thursday, as it was a meat Wednesday, and there'll be a meat Friday as well. The menu today the herb crusted pork loin, the grilled steakhouse burgers, wood fired pesto, and hot capa cola pizza. All the meat provided by Heartland Steak ceo. Who has it better than we do? No, alrighty. We're broadcasting live from the Distillery Complex in Pittsburgh all week long. Rooftop views, great food, cocktails, great cigar lounge. I've been here the last three nights enjoying the company here with the members, big Germans sitting there with me with his cream burd It looks like a white Russian like I. He finished the bottle last night and he said, I'm like, damn, now I got my tequila. But he was he was pooring. He had a heavy poor Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw the ashes in the morning, like, oh, you guys got after it the ashes from the cigar.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, we were actually smoking right by your desk there also we had the ash tray right there on your computer. What could go wrong? All of our guests this week will receive a gift bag provided by Rectech, Panini Penske, Dude Wife. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. All right, we got a poll question. We have a couple of stats of the day. Bill Cower stops by. Todd is here, Dylan, Paulie, Marvin, myself, the back room guys as well. Updake the poll results from our one Dylan.

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Speaker 4: Alrighty, Dan, well we've been over our Pittsburgh thing. I guess people would come back or whatever general life policy, trade up or trade down.

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Speaker 5: Sixty percent of people are going to trade down.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, you get more picks, You get more I think you do.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of what comes with the trading down.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yes, Todd, I'm trying to think of what the analogy you would beat to that, because if as far as relationships like you could have like one beautiful woman or man as opposed to like two good ones, as I would be trading down dating because we've got multiple dating partners.

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Speaker 7: Would that be a fair analogy to me?

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Speaker 2: I didn't come up with the bold question.

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Speaker 8: I'm just if you're trading down and multiple picks, that sounds like that would be like you can day two or three average looking girls are.

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Speaker 7: Just the one hobby. I don't know. I'm trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Tod's gears are turning right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, this.

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Speaker 7: Is well, it worked up, Yeah a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I was just looking at football wise, I wouldn't look at it anything.

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Speaker 7: But the question is about like life.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, but this that's doesn't there's no good answer here in life. Just let you know.

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Speaker 5: We get shifted to football if you want. Yeah, that'd be nice.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 5: Would you ever trade up for a running back?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Depends on how much I'm giving up for the running back.

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Speaker 5: This year would be a good test for that with Jeremiah Love too.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go into the top five because that's gonna cost me probably a couple of first round picks, So I would say no, I'd be more apt to trade up for Ty Simpson than I would for Jeremiah Love, because I'm probably just gonna have to trade back into the end of the first round for Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Paul, if you're trading up to the top five, let's say you had this seventh pick, that means you're not a good team. You shouldn't really be taking a running pick anyway. Now you're trading up for that pick, and you're losing draft capitals to surround that running back, so you're compounding the problem of taking someone that high. The Arizona Cardinals, I think it's all bait. A team like that have no business taking a running back in the second or third pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that they will, but I do like him. I just I got to look at the totality of my team. I got to look at the position and look. I was all in on Saquon Barkley for the Giants because I thought he might be the miss piece that would give them maybe another Super Bowl run. And he's going to be a Hall of Fame running back. It's just he's not going to wear a Giant's uniform when he goes in.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin, do you think the Jeremiah love pick might be like a media guy pick for the Cardinals, like, you know what, we need a star, We need somebody to sell tickets in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you.

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Speaker 2: Could have a great talent there, but then nobody's going to see the great talent because you don't have the talent around him to make him better. I mean, Barry Sanders is one of the few running backs who there wasn't a hole there and then sixty yards later he scores a touchdown. I go back to what I said about Mendoza. If you don't have an offensive line, I don't want him out there playing.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Dylan, we're kind of seeing that play out right now with Ashton gent He vanished into thin air with the Raiders last season three.

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Speaker 2: Point six yards per carry. And he was a guy who in college was great with that first contact, he was great after contact. But in the NFL that contact is a whole lo different. And if you get a good offensive line there then and you have a legitimate quarterback there, then we might see Ashton Genty live up to being a you know, a top ten pick eight seven to seven three DP show. We'll get some more phone calls coming up. NBA playoffs. Pistons over the Magic Thunder handle the Suns. You know, I still look at the Phoenix Suns and I go, you, guys aren't a playoff team, Like they don't feel like that and watching now, granted they're going against Oka See and Oka See is steamrolling them, but I did have Pistons fans on social media saying when are you going to talk about the Pistons? Well, did you want me to talk about the Pistons after Orlando beat you in game one of the series? Because now you win, and you want me to talk about the Pistons because you beat Orlando.

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Speaker 10: We tied one one in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Yay, Oh my god. Get the parade route started there in Denver. Yes. Mark.

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Speaker 3: The funny thing about the Suns is they were in the finals in twenty twenty one and they were up two to oh in the final. Also, and Devin Booker after they loss, he just goes damn because he knows how hard it was to get there and he not getting back anytime soon.

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Speaker 7: They barely made the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Todd, you and.

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Speaker 8: Marvin may know because you're bigger NBA fans in general, But who is the son's head.

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Speaker 7: Coach would be my quick quiz.

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Speaker 2: Paul Westfall, John mccleowald.

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Speaker 8: The gentleman's name is Jordan Ott. Now not to be confused with Melims.

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Speaker 2: We're such geeks, Alvin Adams. But thank you, Tod.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just thought i'd ask put it out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you Jordan.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Paul, I do want to go back to that running back thing. We just got this stat in Ashton genty last year. He was the sixth pick overall, nine hundred yards, five touchdowns in the second round. Trevion Henderson nine hundred yards, nine touchdowns, and you got him for one third the price. You can go down that Crosskey Merritt guy that was taken in Washington. He had a really nice season. He had eight hundred yards and eight touchdowns, a seventh round pick. Kyle Manungui, seventh round pick of the Bears, eight hundred yards, five touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a condition, Kaya Manunguy. Yeah, how is your your kalmanung Gui. It's good, it's clear enough.

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Speaker 5: I've got moderate severee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Todd's doing this last night. We're just sit around having beers and then you bring up what was the condition that sky Rizzy or something.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a new thing now with all the commercial way you go.

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Speaker 8: Don't take sky Rizzy if you're allergic to sky Rizzy.

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Speaker 5: And I just find that very silly. It's very insulting to me.

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Speaker 7: Are we that stupid? It's like, obviously I take something and I start bleeding profusely or I pass out. I'm gonna have to chat. I'm probably not gonna take it again. I'll consult my Look.

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Speaker 2: How do I know I'm allergic to it unless I take it?

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Speaker 8: Well, no, unless you get some lab work done and it shows that you better not take triumph merged Triumphant with trump fire. Sit in one of those tubs overlooking you know, the river over there.

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Speaker 10: I know.

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Speaker 2: I had to explain that to my kids when they were younger, the couple in the bathtubs over looking the waters. Yes, and so I had to They're like, why why are they in the bathtubs? And what is that? Ask your mom? Yes, Dylan, and why are the bathtubs outside the U and there's no water in him?

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Speaker 5: There's no water, they're empty and they're outside.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the side effects of those medicines are always way worse than whatever affliction it's treating too.

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Speaker 5: It'll be like this is for excellen. It's like if you bleeding out of.

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Speaker 4: Both your ears after you take it, maybe call your dog.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Paul, and every guy in the cialis hat looks like a movie star. He's like sixty one years old with great hair, chiseled. He's driving like he's flying a cessna in and taking his glasses off like Tom Cruise.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not your average Sealis taker. I don't think I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: You're sitting right next to him, Dylan.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I work out all the time and I only have Kaio smoothies.

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Speaker 5: Jingles doesn't care.

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Speaker 10: Or no.

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Speaker 2: What about the group that is dancing and singing and they've got some kind of conduction that's the Humera band. No, No, that's I.

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Speaker 7: Got to touch a diabetes.

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Speaker 5: But I'm doing wells talking.

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Speaker 7: It's like it's a Broadway show. It's just wearing a big yellow, flowery outfit, just waving.

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Speaker 8: Tell everybody on the set the cameras is a big deal about this little purple pillow whatever they got in the yard.

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Speaker 2: My buster is low.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 5: You should hear the stories this pill tells.

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Speaker 2: It's a great big story Sky, Rizzy. Nobody is happier to have herpes than you know this group of papers.

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Speaker 4: Take if you're allergic Guardians Jardians is the dancing diabetes?

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Speaker 2: Oh that one is okay? Yeah, they're all righty A couple of phone calls in here. We did ask this question, PAULI waited a year to bring this up. You can start your franchise with any player in history, but you only get that player. You don't get Bill Walsh with Joe Montana, you don't get Bill Belichick with Tom Brady. Uh, how is social media treating this question, Paul.

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Speaker 9: We're getting a lot of writing votes for dionn. Sanders, for Lawrence Taylor, obviously, even Randy Moss.

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Speaker 2: Peak Randy Moss.

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Speaker 9: You get twelve years of Randy Moss.

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Speaker 2: But if I said you can have Tarrell Owens or Randy Moss quickly, is it that close? Okay?

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Speaker 9: More for demeanor than performance both. I think Randy was just tired of being in Oakland. Yeah, maybe a lot of We're getting a lot of blowback that Tom Brady should be the number one pick overall. Clearly that's based on accomplishments, not necessarily his abilities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: I heard a cornerback say on the podcast somewhere, what's the scariest thing you ever saw? He goes Randy Moss, putting his hand up. He said, that is the scariest thing you've ever seen. And I love too. I'm a forty nine ers guy. But Randy Moss, he's the most talented receiver that's ever walked on an NFL field.

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Speaker 2: So you can have Jerry Rice or Randy Moss.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm going Jerry Rice.

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Speaker 2: Oka. You just said no, No.

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Speaker 7: I said too, I said t O and Randy Moss.

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Speaker 2: But you said they were the best receivers on the planet.

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Speaker 7: I said Randy Moss, Okay.

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Speaker 2: But then I said who would you take? And you said Jerry Rice.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jay Rice wont Super Bowls for the forty nine ers, so I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Take Jerry Rice. No, you don't get the Niners.

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Speaker 7: Oh, don't take your Randy Moss.

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Speaker 5: Okay, take your random Moss. That clears that up.

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Speaker 10: I'll take your random Moss.

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Speaker 2: All right, Dan? And Ohio, Good morning Dan. What's on your mind today?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Good morning Dan. Second time? Long time? You're gonna have Bill Kauer in?

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Speaker 11: He played and coached in Cleveland, and I think he might agree with me. If you want to start a football team in the NFL, there's only one person, and that's Jim Brown.

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Speaker 2: In any era, Okay, you got nine years of Jim Brown.

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Speaker 11: Kine of the best lead in the NFL and rushing, he can just you put him in any era. He's just right out of the backfield.

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Speaker 2: He was a beast.

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Speaker 11: You know, he's one of the top two baby players of all time. Why wouldn't you want to start your team with a guy like Jim Brown?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Can make that argument. Jim Brown was was wonderful. You know, when you retire because you're bored, that says a lot about how good you are. Because he got bored, He's like, I'm gonna go make movies. Yes, Dylan, you can get.

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Speaker 5: Nine years of Jim Brown, or about thirty years of Frank Gore.

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Speaker 2: If I think of Moevity, I think I'm taking Frank Gore. I'm right, and he might be still playing. No one knows, but he's he's on a team zone, isn't it isn't his son now in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's really him?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh, Cody in Texas hid Cody, welcome back, Hey Dan Man.

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Speaker 11: I think a lot of people are sleeping on Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 7: You look at Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 2: What he's doing right now?

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Speaker 12: What are he's doing in here?

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Speaker 10: He's on the brown cook Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully.

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Speaker 5: I'm hoping boy Jerry today pulls it off.

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Speaker 10: Put them on the Cowboys.

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Speaker 7: Let's get Miles got Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 11: Is the most dominant player in the NFL today and in any era.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, he's a great player. I have no problem with that. Let me see the totality of his career. But what we've seen so far, you know he's gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 9: Yes, at the age of thirty, Miles Garrett is first Team All Pro six times.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's nutty.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but Lawrence Taylor was eight times by the age of thirty.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just to compare. All right, I still keep waiting for Miles Garrett to go. Let's reset the market because Will Anderson's getting fifty million and I'm only getting whatever forty million. But isn't that crazy? How that like that that happened overnight. We're all like wide receivers. It felt like, you know, when Brandon Ayuk is getting twenty nine million, I go, there's something wrong, something th wrong. But you know, now we're seeing these guys blow by that and now you're getting a fifty million dollar a year player who's not a quarterback.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Polly Miles Garrett, he's more charismatic, but he may get the Mike Trout treatment. You know, a lot of unbelievable career, first ballot, Hall of Fame, three playoff.

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Speaker 5: Games and ten seasons.

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Speaker 2: Okay a little bit, and then you see Mike Trout at Yankee Stadium and he hits like five home runs. Reminder, yes, and then you go, God when he's healthy, but nobody ever sees him play anymore. And you only saw him playing three playoff games.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Mark, The worst thing ever is going to be one day in twenty five years, somebody's going to say, you know, Mike Trout and Shohalo Tony were on the same team at the same time.

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Speaker 7: Ye, no playoffs, no nothing.

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Speaker 2: Uh, let's see Jesse and Kansas. Hi, Jess, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 10: Hey?

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Speaker 12: Dan?

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Speaker 13: Hey, I got a best of the worst of the weekend and a T shirt, idea for a seat and if someone could pass it along for me, I'd appreciate it. I just want to say really quickly, last year I called in at the draft to say, bes worse the weekend that my son came home from the nick you So even though he's going to retire, you're going to retire before he's old enough to call your show.

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Speaker 2: We at least have a tradition they're calling your show together. So thanks for everything, man, thank you.

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Speaker 13: That's the worst of the weekend. There is no best of the weekend. There's no way the Raiders can make the same mistake they did the last time they had the number one overall pick in two thousand and seven. Worst of the weekend. My son has had to hear me tell him how lucky he is that he didn't have to go through what I went through, probably about thirty times just this morning, not alone, you know, this past couple of months, and a T shirt idea if you could tell seat and he might need to make it a little better, Onesie. That's like the combine, you know is the underware Olympics. So maybe like a DP show, Onesie, something like that.

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Speaker 2: But I appreciate it. I think we used to have one why not a onesie that looks like Tom Brady when he was at the Combine. You know, he's kind of dumpy, like I've woken up in college after a long night and look like Tom Brady going up at the Combine. And I know, like Tom Cruise wanted to get all of the pictures of his ex wife Katie Holmes naked off the internet. Reportedly, he was trying to buy everything like this feels like, if you're Tom Brady, you want to buy that picture and take and take it off the internet.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I think over the past couple of years it's been the opposite. Tom tweets that out every year around the Combine. Oh, he does because he's in such better shape now at you know, sixty eight years old or whatever he is, and he like trumpets the fact that he's in better shape now than he's twenty one.

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Speaker 2: There are pictures we have in the man cave where I there's one I don't it's Tom Brady, but I don't realize it's Tom Brady because he is. His face is bloated, and that's back when he was pounding beers, Yes, yes, doing.

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Speaker 5: As a fellow sweat shorts enthusiasts.

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Speaker 4: They might be the least flattering piece of clothing you can wear, which I'm pretty sure you had on in those pictures.

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Speaker 5: Well he had shorts on, yeah, but made out of sweatpants.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well Tom's the king of sweatpants.

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Speaker 8: I used to wear sweatpants from elementary school through high school, and it was great used to I'll still do that sometimes underwear, sometimes not. I once had a junior high school like Spanish teacher that said, now you have really nice sweatpants. I'd wear different calaths. That sounds like inappropriate looking back, she shouldn't have been saying that to like a fourteen year old kids.

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Speaker 5: She said, you have really nice sweat Yeah. I don't know if that was hard being a wiseness like you.

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Speaker 8: Maybe you shouldn't wear sweatpants to school, but I took that as some combat.

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Speaker 7: Thanks. I have red ones, turquoise ones, purple one.

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Speaker 2: Wait you think the teacher was hitting you may have been a little bit.

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Speaker 8: You hear these stories about the teachers and the inappropriate relationship, which I never had, which I always wanted.

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Speaker 2: How did we get all the way over there to a teacher hitting on you?

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Speaker 8: I love scrolling these things, and they have these kinds of stories and were supposed to feel bad for the fourteen year old boy that I had an opportunity when a hot forty year old teacher like.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, what'd you do?

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Speaker 7: I'll sign up for that and a hundred out of one hundred times.

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Speaker 2: Wait, how would you feel if a teacher did that to your son when he was fourteen?

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Speaker 7: I would be upset.

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Speaker 8: I think, oh my god, the still shot and look.

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Speaker 5: What if she's really hot, there may be a high five in order.

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Speaker 2: I'd just score that parent teacher conference just got a whole lot more interesting. Therefore, how we take a break?

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Speaker 4: We got.

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Speaker 2: H Bill cowt see we we always do this. We have a classy guest on and then we got it. You know, now we got to clean it up.

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Speaker 7: It's inappropriate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, spill and aisle six, Yes.

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Speaker 10: Mart, don't anger.

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Speaker 2: Coach. Also, I know every time I have it ways he gets mad. Is he gonna get mad? In person?

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Speaker 10: I think?

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Speaker 2: So, all right, I might get mad right back at him. Yeah, we'll take a break. Coach Coward joins us next to your Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he enjoys coming on the show, but I enjoy having him on the show. Bill Coward, the Hall of Famer and NFL Today's CBS studio analyst who joins us now in the program.

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Speaker 12: I get off the good start off.

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Speaker 2: No, I know we're not gonna argue. We're not gonna yeah today, are we?

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Speaker 10: Now?

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Speaker 2: I didn't bring your babblehead, because that's what you look for, right, I was kind of wondering, Now I brought a Jerome Bettist babblehead. So can you pull that mic up to your coach. Yes, I didn't want anything to happen to the bibblehead you sent me.

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Speaker 12: So that that was very thoughtful when you're on your part, Yes, seriously, because you don't want to get lost, you know, in course of travel.

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Speaker 2: I don't want anything damage other than what's damaged with our relationship here.

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Speaker 10: We're not going down that road.

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Speaker 2: No. No, I will not make you mad.

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Speaker 12: No no, we never get mad. We just discuss things. Sometimes you take me down dark corridors of my life, but other than that, we're fine.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever change your route to get to the stadium, going to the stadium and coming back from the stadium after a game?

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Speaker 10: No, so on game day.

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Speaker 12: On home games, I would stay in a hotel the night before the game. I would drive up to Fox Chapel and pick up my family, my daughter, my three daughters, and my wife, and we would come in together. And so we'd drive through and I'd try to get there obviously two hours before. I'd try to get in there by eleven o'clock for one o'clock games, and so we would drive through the parking lot and it was really kind of a neat drive there and then on the way home, usually we had to wait for the doctors to give us a report, and so we would be sitting there, and certainly it was a lot better atmosphere after a win than it was after a loss. But we would kind of let the crowd go and then we would drive back up twenty eight to go back to Fox Chapel was about a twenty minute drive from the stadium.

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Speaker 2: What happens though, if after a loss and you're pulling over for gas.

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Speaker 12: Well, I wouldn't get gas on game day, So I mean my gas came like during the course of the week. If I go in on a Tuesday, you know, drop the kids off. You know, if we went, I just dropped the kids off, go by the gas station. But if we lost, Honestly, as I got around here more often, I'd wait till Tuesday night. So on my way back, self served round eleven forty five twelve o'clock at night. Because if you go in there during the day, everyone just tells you, you know, you're you're throwing the ball way too much, You're not playing very good defense. Why don't you try this? I got a lot of suggestions along the way. Yeah, and as you know, and I just very respectful of the people here. This is a very knowledgeable fan base and very passionate fan base, and they kind of take things personal. As you know about Pittsburgh, as you can't get around here, it's very territorial.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 12: I grew up on the other side of that hill right there, about four miles from the stadium, a place called Crafton Pennsylvania. And you learn very quickly as you look around here that it's a city with a lot of communities connected by bridges, but there's a proud element of your community that you represent, and so you understand that it does become a little territorial, it becomes personal. And I kind of took that philosophy in my way of talking about games each week and trying to make every game personal because I grew up that way here.

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Speaker 2: But was there any part of you that said, I don't want to screw up this franchise, Like I'm a local, I'm honored, but I might be the guy who doesn't do well here and let everybody down.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, Like, yeah, happened a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know.

00:23:30
Speaker 12: I got the job. I was thirty four years old, and I'll never forget. I remember I was in Kansas City and I came in and with my wife and we went back, and remember laying in bed that night, I said, Wow, if I don't screw this up, in three years, I can go back to my twentieth high school class re union or Carlington High School, being the head coach of my hometown team.

00:23:49
Speaker 10: So my first thing was, don't screw this up.

00:23:50
Speaker 2: Wait, you went back to your high school reunion in.

00:23:53
Speaker 10: My twentieth year.

00:23:54
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean for my twentieth hig school class and that was three years in and I do have a story about that, and it was it was we lost the San Diego Charger championship game that year, and so we had that spring and so I said my wife, I said, listen, you know I got to go to the twentieth class reunion. And she goes, Oh, all we're gonna do is go there and tell you how great you are as a coach.

00:24:16
Speaker 13: Blah blah blah.

00:24:17
Speaker 12: I go to If I go, promise, I'm gonna go. It's gonna be a just a drive by. We're gonna go in. I got a nice place for us to have dinner up on Mount Washington. I said, but we're gonna say hi. And so we get on right here. It's like, there's the Gateway Clipper. So it's on here, and I said, oh, that's pretty cool. They have a dinner on the water. It's just really cool. So I get on there and all of a sudden, I'm talking with a bunch of guys. All of a sudden, I feel the thing moving. We just it's a dinner cruise.

00:24:41
Speaker 7: I go, oh shit.

00:24:43
Speaker 10: So I looked over.

00:24:45
Speaker 12: I look over and my wife is looking at me like, wow, you just I don't know. No, honestly, I didn't. Well now on a dinner cruise from three hours. The first hour, everyone's very cordial. Well the second hour, after all my buddies had a few drinks. They're telling me how like why you screwed up that San Diego Charger game. Okay, like you made some bad calls. You know, you're too good to get us tickets now. So now by the end of the three hour cruise, I have about two people. I'm talking to him, mad at all my friends. My wife's not talking to me.

00:25:13
Speaker 10: We drive home.

00:25:13
Speaker 12: I go, wow, that was a nice night. So that was my twenty thank sbook classroom.

00:25:20
Speaker 2: When's the last time you bought a beer in Pittsburgh.

00:25:24
Speaker 12: It's been a while. I you know, I don't come back that often, to be quite honest with you. My brothers do live here. I come back during the season a lot, sometimes in the off season, and you know, I I just I love this city. It takes me back down memory lane, suny times, going back into Crafton and just where you were raised and going by Carlington High School, going into Carnegie at Harness Wagner Field, it was right off the street.

00:25:49
Speaker 2: Did your parents get to enjoy all this?

00:25:51
Speaker 10: Yeah, they did. They did.

00:25:53
Speaker 12: My dad, you know, he didn't come to the Super Bowl that we won in two thousand and five, but he sat at home and watched it, and they did. They. You know, my dad's great stories is my first year. It was nineteen ninety two and Neil Donald was the starter, and Bobby made him the starter. Neil Donald got hurt like week ten or eleven. I put Bobby Brister in finished out the season. Like the last three or four games. We were like two and two, but Bubby was getting better each game. He hadn't played all year, and we got into a playoff game against the Buffalo Bills. I put Neil Donald back in thinking that no starter should lose No starters should lose his job injury. At the time, I thought, Okay, that's the way it should be. It's thinking that's the proper way of doing it. We get into the game and Neil didn't hadn't played in over a month, didn't play well. I don't think I made the right decision. At the time, I'd sat back and said, wow, I put a guy in who hadn't played in five weeks for the biggest playoff game of the career. But anyway, so I'm thinking that myself. I go over to the house afterwards, and the kind of Sunday or like it was after all the playoffs were over, and we're sitting there and we got all the kids were there and my brothers are there and my dad was in the sitting in the same same seat, Pops and Iron City beer.

00:27:06
Speaker 10: Hees, how about that was damn Steelers? How dumb was that?

00:27:09
Speaker 12: Was?

00:27:10
Speaker 10: St start?

00:27:10
Speaker 1: Uh?

00:27:11
Speaker 12: Neil' donald we hadn't played over for a month? Over Bobby Bristol, I go, Dad, I go, that was me your.

00:27:15
Speaker 5: Sunday and they got your sison, you know all? He said?

00:27:19
Speaker 12: He goes, well, I'm sure he had a good reason, but still with a stupid decision.

00:27:22
Speaker 10: I'm like, okay, do you want to hear it?

00:27:25
Speaker 12: So you know my dad was My dad was that guy. I mean he he he was a Pittsburgh through and through. I mean he see sitting in the kitchen and listened to Mine Cope on the games. Yeah, you know, listen to him at night on the talk radio. He was a true sports lover. Didn't play it. He loved baseball more than anything. And yeah, it was, it was. We had a special family.

00:27:48
Speaker 2: He's Bill Coward, the Hall of Famer. We've asked this question first ninety minutes of the program. You could draft anybody number one, start a franchise, but you don't get like, if you get Jerry Rice, you don't get Joe Montana, if you get Tom Brady, you don't get Bill Belichick, et cetera. So number one overall pick, no matter what era.

00:28:12
Speaker 12: Well, I was in here earlier and listened to your show, and teleman from Cleveland made a statement about Jim Brown. He was a pretty special player, pretty special individual.

00:28:24
Speaker 10: But I think you have to start with the quarterback position.

00:28:26
Speaker 12: I mean, quite frankly and honestly, I think Tom Brady to me, I mean going against him for all the years. I'm not saying that Joe Montana wasn't a product of the system, but he had a lot of good.

00:28:37
Speaker 10: People around him.

00:28:38
Speaker 12: I watched Tom Brady grow as a player and his ability to you to try to defend him to you know, him and Peyton Manning were very similar.

00:28:48
Speaker 10: But I thought Tom was just that he had a more accurate arm I thought at times.

00:28:52
Speaker 12: But I think him and Peyton Manning to me, were two guys that were the face of your franchise. No one would work harder. They knew what Prepper was all about. They didn't get flustered in the highest of stress situations. They were they led by example. And I think those two guys to me, Brady and to uh uh Peyton Manning, I think to me are the two guys.

00:29:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably say John Lway. I think he did more individually than those two did. Uh. The other ones were probably Tom was a better quarterback. If I take away quarterback and I say any other.

00:29:28
Speaker 12: Position, I'm gonna say Lawrence Taylor, Okay, I mean he was he was my I added opportunity to coach Derek Thomas as run the same time frame, and Lawrence Taylor to me, he could wreck havoc in a game. He could just he was a disruptive, was one of the most disruptive players at his time in the game.

00:29:49
Speaker 2: Today, I would say Reggie White, although I did get to see Lawrence Taylor when I was in New York covering the Giants. And I always tell people there's speed when you're watching on TV, and then there's in the moments speed when you're standing on the sideline, and it's completely different, like I can't imagine, you know, can we can see everything unfold and everybody's an expert, but when you see it on the sidelines and you're going, I don't know how it's so quick. Lawrence Taylor got around the end. I mean he created a position. He was the first edge rusher that we labeled.

00:30:27
Speaker 10: You know.

00:30:27
Speaker 12: I just you think about the draft as we're coming up, and you think about to me, hybrid players. A guy like Caleb Downs to me, is a guy that I think is one of those types of guys that you could put him anywhere in the field. Reminds me a lot of Troy Paul Marlin, you and Troy Palum. Marler was a very disruptive player.

00:30:45
Speaker 2: Was he allowed to do whatever he wanted to He wasn't he earned.

00:30:48
Speaker 10: The rights to do that. So now you know one thing. He made a lot of mistakes his first year.

00:30:58
Speaker 12: And I remember a couple of times, like you know, I would go into the go into the facility over here, and he was always in there. He was the first one in there and the last one to leave watching tape. And the only other person that was much as him was Rod Woodson. These guys watched more tape. They were looking for any competitive edge they could get, whether it be a stance, whether it be a split, whether it be a formational thing that they saw on the road at home. Certain ways that people did it. So it got to a point where, you know, I just remember telling Chris Hope and actually told Ryan Clark and I met saw him last night. I said, you know, on the first thing I told Ryan Clark, I said, listen, you're coming in here. I said, I just got to tell you one thing. You know, Troy Palm Marlow is going to do some things that are unorthodox, and at times he will not play the defense, and I need you to be able to cover up for him. He goes, what do you mean cover up for him? I says, because he's not going to follow the defense. He goes, you don't have to follow the defense around here. I no, no, no, no, no, he doesn't have to follow the defense.

00:31:59
Speaker 10: But you need to able to cover up for him. He goes, what do you mean cover up for him? I said, well, if.

00:32:03
Speaker 12: It's too deep and he sees something he made blitz. I goes, I said, well, how I cover up for him? I said, well, you start talking to the two corners and tell him the backup. He and now you were playing a three deep defense suddenly, and I said, and we'll just go from there. And he goes, can anybody do? I go, no, no, no, I go And he goes. He goes, how often is he wrong? I go, Not often? Not often?

00:32:26
Speaker 10: I go.

00:32:27
Speaker 12: I said, you know, the one thing I don't want to do is harness him, because when he had a feel for something and he could play very free and do things that were disruptive, you don't harness greatness. And I think the biggest thing you do, and I learned that a little bit with Ben is like let him do his thing. Yes, your structure, Yes, there's guidelines yes, there's an approach, we have to it. But these are players that in the heat of the moment, they can acclimate to the situation. They get a feel for the game. I have a feel from the sideline, but you're on that field. And if you have that feel for the game, well I can allow you to play free, play fast, and be aggressive. I like that, and I will live with the periodic mistakes.

00:33:05
Speaker 2: Give me the player you wanted to draft and you weren't allowed.

00:33:09
Speaker 12: To Javon Curse nineteen ninety nine. We took Troy Edwards.

00:33:14
Speaker 2: You were overruled.

00:33:15
Speaker 10: I don't want to go into it.

00:33:18
Speaker 7: Now, you know, I knew it.

00:33:19
Speaker 5: I see, I knew you were doing this.

00:33:22
Speaker 10: I knew you did this. I was just thinking about this this morning.

00:33:26
Speaker 12: I go I got to think of all the drafts I had, who was like your worst pick?

00:33:30
Speaker 10: And you had to go out and ask you? Did you said, like, was I overruled? Do you want to go into that discussion?

00:33:36
Speaker 2: Do you want to open the bottle of one?

00:33:38
Speaker 1: No?

00:33:39
Speaker 10: But it was that was I.

00:33:41
Speaker 12: That was a very quick answer to that question because Javon Curse at the time would have been a perfect outside linebacker in the three four defense and Troy was a receiver right after the catch? Guy, Yeah, it was not it was I wish I could say that there was an overrule. There was this no communication and so it led to some change.

00:34:09
Speaker 2: The following in Okay, I'll leave you with this, if if you were coaching the Steelers, yes, how would you feel about your quarterbacking situation.

00:34:18
Speaker 12: We've got to give Will Howard a chance. I think Aaron will come back at some point, I really do, you know. I I go back to the same thing. Then, I think the Steelers can't chase the quarterback. The quarterback's going to come building around him, you know, kind of like what we did. You know we had Tommy Maddox. We want a game with him, tom Zach Cordell and Neil O'Donnell. You know when Ben came along that that team was built. Okay, and I think this right now from the Pittsburgh Steelers build this thing. I think an offensive lineman tonight is going to be the pick they have to make. I said, you know, put that offensive line there. You've got a couple of receivers, whether it's Will Howard or Aaron Rodgers.

00:34:58
Speaker 10: Maybe the next guy is not here. Yet I don't know.

00:35:00
Speaker 12: But when that next guy comes, it's plug and sert and win. And that's why I say to me, it's like, build everything else around him, you know, don't keep chasing something that you're trying to manufacture.

00:35:10
Speaker 10: It will happen.

00:35:12
Speaker 7: Uh.

00:35:12
Speaker 2: The one piece of advice you gave to Mike Tomlin for TV was what.

00:35:17
Speaker 12: Just be yourself? Honestly, I think that. I think that's the biggest thing for Mike, and you know, and I think a lot of guys who have left have come back. I did not go back. My situation is a little bit differently though than those guys.

00:35:29
Speaker 1: You know.

00:35:29
Speaker 2: They you think Mike's going to do this as a career.

00:35:32
Speaker 12: I don't think so. I think he's got I think he loves the sideline. I think he loves the competition. I think he loves that arena. He's an arena guy. And I think when I left, I left for my wife's reasons. It didn't work out and I got remarried, and I didn't want to take someone back into that world again. I said, you know, it's it's just it's it's a I I would. I didn't want to do that again, and quite frankly, I left in my own I can never envision myself being in another uniform except black and gold.

00:36:12
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking time. I know you got busy schedule. I know you're going to be on Pat McAfee his Draft show. Would you like to hit somebody before you leave?

00:36:21
Speaker 12: Well, the fact that you don't have my bibble head up there and you blame it on the fact that transportation was an issue, because I can see how much that really takes up a lot of space right there, because you know what happens, See how big that is. And then the fact you had to go down and ask me about my worst draft pick. So I appreciate the fact that we're back to normal.

00:36:38
Speaker 2: Would you like to tackle me?

00:36:40
Speaker 10: No, no, no, I mean no no.

00:36:44
Speaker 12: I would just like to let you keep thinking I'm going to tackle it.

00:36:48
Speaker 10: You can walk on eggshells the rest of your life. But I will always be following you.

00:36:52
Speaker 12: I told you if I came to Pittsburgh, I'm coming to beyond the show.

00:36:55
Speaker 10: And I'm a man.

00:36:57
Speaker 2: My head is always on a swivel.

00:36:58
Speaker 10: Yes, no, you're good. Yeah.

00:37:00
Speaker 12: I enjoy our talks due the course of the season because the one thing I do get to talk about with you is more of the philosophical approach to some of the things that are taking place.

00:37:09
Speaker 10: I love the National Football League.

00:37:10
Speaker 12: I feel like on my platform at CBS being a kind of a guardian of the game. I like to call bullshit if I have to do it periodically. And sometimes I think that we get caught up in the what we perceive, what we want this to look like, as opposed to just doing the right thing. And mister Rooney used to always say this, I'll leave you one last story, Dan Rooney. Like times I would talk to him on a Friday afternoon, everybody's out of the building. I'm in there just preparing my last little bit for my meeting the next day that next night, and I say, Danny, listen, I'm just want you to know, like I may pull the quarterback this week. I don't like the way he's practiced, I don't like the way I'm playing. I'm not sure he's into this. And I says, what I want you to know beforehand, so that you're you're not blindsided by this. He would just say like, okay, like were you going to dinner? And I said, well, like we're going to dinner at the well because the girl's got anything this week? I got the girls are fine. I just want to make sure you know about this quarterback thing. He'd turn you, walk around, you walk away. I'm like, oh God, I say something to offend him. Like he would stop at the door, he would look back, he said, coach, just do the right thing, and he would walk away. That didn't help, But you know what, do you know what it was? Understand the consequences of the choices you make. Are you doing it for one person, are you doing it for the team. Are you worried about hurting someone's feelings or do you think sometimes that has to happen in course of having personal growth well, which you will give us substantially team growth. So just doing the right thing sometimes it's not the easiest thing to do, and sometimes the easiest thing to do isn't always the right thing to do.

00:38:45
Speaker 2: I'm ready to run through a wall for you will coward everybody.

00:38:53
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00:39:11
Speaker 5: This is crazy.

00:39:12
Speaker 10: I can't believe it.

00:39:13
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00:39:18
Speaker 5: I'll put myself in a position.

00:39:20
Speaker 2: And be here.

00:39:20
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00:39:38
Speaker 2: Radio Toddles start with you. Who shakes things up tonight?

00:39:42
Speaker 8: I'm going to go back and double down from what I said the other day, and Jeremiah Love to the Cowboys to block.

00:39:47
Speaker 7: The Giants from getting him. That's gonna be my big prediction.

00:39:50
Speaker 2: Okay uh?

00:39:51
Speaker 4: Dylan h Well, then I think my Ravens are going to take a tight end in the Kenyan Sadik either at fourteen or trade down and take my guy Eli Stours to pair him up with Mark Andrews after losing.

00:40:02
Speaker 9: Could you is likely going deep on the board there, Paul, I hope this doesn't happen, but I think from the hot move tonight with the draft, the Arizona Cardinals at three will take Jeremiah Love, which I don't think they should do, and it's not great for him. And then they'll come back at the end of the first round, trade into the first round and get Tysonson and revamp their franchise.

00:40:22
Speaker 2: That's pretty hot, Marvin.

00:40:24
Speaker 3: The New York Giants selects Sonny Styles first with the fifth pick.

00:40:28
Speaker 2: Of the draft, okay, and then what do they do at ten?

00:40:34
Speaker 10: That's a great question.

00:40:36
Speaker 3: I didn't get that far.

00:40:37
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I only told you to give me one draft pick, so you know my bad. I think the Titans are going to take Jeremiah Love, and I'd like to see him go to the Commanders because with Jane Daniels Jeremiah Love, I think that'd be a lot of fun. I don't know. If you're the Giants at five and Jeremiah Love is there, do you go? You know what we did this running back before with Saquon Barkley, Let's not do it again. I think they'll go defense, probably with both of those picks. Get a quote at Libertymutual dot com, your local independent agent. Final Hour on this Thursday coming up will be busy. Kirk kirk Street's gonna stop by and his dog and we didn't decide who's better looking, Herbie or his dog. I'm gonna go with his dog. I'm just saying disrespect. And Kurt Warner will join us. I'm sure he'll have a super Bowl ring on his hand. Final hour on this Thursday here in Pittsburgh,