Ep:213 Sasquatch Revisited

<v Speaker 1>I'll never get over that experience. Ever. I still think
<v Speaker 1>about it all the time, especially when I'm just sitting
<v Speaker 1>there thinking about deep things, you know, like if I'm
<v Speaker 1>you know, sitting there thinking about like the universe. You know,
<v Speaker 1>usually at nighttime, I'm outside looking at the stars because
<v Speaker 1>I'm really into that, like you know, astronomy stuff like that,
<v Speaker 1>really into that. But I start thinking about those things,
<v Speaker 1>and then I always land back on that experience, did
<v Speaker 1>foot because it was it was not something I actually
<v Speaker 1>believed in by any means. Like I honestly thought all
<v Speaker 1>the people that I was with at that time were
<v Speaker 1>fucking crazy. I really did until I had an encounter,
<v Speaker 1>and that was, you know, mind blowing, mind blowing. I
<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe that those things actually existed.
<v Speaker 2>I don't just take us through it and you know,
<v Speaker 2>walk us through everything of what happened.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've told people about it, you know, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>and I'll tell you it's just terrifying. It's when you
<v Speaker 1>first see one. Yeah, I don't know about other people,
<v Speaker 1>but like, come from my background where you know, I
<v Speaker 1>grew up in the city. I didn't grow up in
<v Speaker 1>the country, and I didn't grow up around fishing and
<v Speaker 1>hunting and not. So I'm city guy, you know, and
<v Speaker 1>so you know, I went camping as a kid things
<v Speaker 1>like that, you know. I mean I was a little
<v Speaker 1>familiar with the outdoors, but not like you know, somebody
<v Speaker 1>that grew up in the country, you know, and they
<v Speaker 1>might hear things or they hear stories about stuff, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and they just kind of, I guess accept those things.
<v Speaker 1>That wasn't me. I was, you know, so whenever I
<v Speaker 1>had that encounter, it terrified me. It terrified me on
<v Speaker 1>so many different levels, you know. But the actual encounter itself, well,
<v Speaker 1>let me back up a little bit. My friend, I've
<v Speaker 1>noticed it's high school. It was really into cryptozoology and
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot and all those different things, those legends you know
<v Speaker 1>that we're those ones, the Moffman and the Jersey Devil
<v Speaker 1>and things like that. So he was really into that stuff.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really think it was you know, I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know he took it that seriously, you know,
<v Speaker 1>where he was actually going up with groups of people
<v Speaker 1>and going around looking for the thing, you know, looking
<v Speaker 1>for Bigfoot. And so I remember he asked me to
<v Speaker 1>go with him on this one outing, and I honestly
<v Speaker 1>thought it was going to be more like this camping
<v Speaker 1>and people just talking about it and about Bigfoot and
<v Speaker 1>maybe venture to the woods around the campsite. You know,
<v Speaker 1>I really didn't think it was going to be, you know,
<v Speaker 1>that big of a deal. So to me, it was like, oh, cool,
<v Speaker 1>I get to you know, go out of town for
<v Speaker 1>the weekend and be out, be out in the woods,
<v Speaker 1>you know, be lake. You know. So that was my
<v Speaker 1>understanding kind of until we got there and uh, there
<v Speaker 1>was all these people from all around the country, around
<v Speaker 1>the United States, you know, from different states, things like that,
<v Speaker 1>and it was kind of interesting, you know to listen
<v Speaker 1>to them talk about these big foots and what I'd
<v Speaker 1>gathered was because before that, like I said, didn't know
<v Speaker 1>anything about it. You know, I didn't know there was
<v Speaker 1>more than one. I didn't know that they were like
<v Speaker 1>a species of of what do you call them? Homine
<v Speaker 1>or the ominants? What do you call it?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's for debate, it's you know, whatever anybody
<v Speaker 2>wants to think they are at this point.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I mean just by my language there,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I still don't know a whole lot about them.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't really delve into it, you know.
<v Speaker 2>But you were you were coming into this as a
<v Speaker 2>complete non believer, total skeptic, yeap, and just bigfoot is
<v Speaker 2>just you know, this myth or this legend or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>You're going on this camp out, and now you've met
<v Speaker 2>up with this group of people who apparently take it
<v Speaker 2>pretty serious and they're just talking matter of factly as
<v Speaker 2>these things are real, they exist. What was that like
<v Speaker 2>for you hearing them talk about it from that aspect?
<v Speaker 2>Did you just think that they were like all liars
<v Speaker 2>are and crazy?
<v Speaker 1>Like what were you thinking? Well, I don't I would
<v Speaker 1>not go that far to say I think they were liars,
<v Speaker 1>because the things they were saying, there was patterns to
<v Speaker 1>what they were saying, you know, when they would talk
<v Speaker 1>about their first encounters and things like that, you know,
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of outside the norm, you know what
<v Speaker 1>I mean. Like I'm from the streets, man, I get
<v Speaker 1>spot a liar from a million miles away, you know
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. And these people didn't really seem like that.
<v Speaker 1>To me. It was a little alienating because it was like,
<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything in common with these folks. I
<v Speaker 1>have nothing in common other than we have a mutual friend,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and Uh. I mean, these are the type
<v Speaker 1>of people that like carry like the shotguns in the
<v Speaker 1>back of the window of their trucks, you know what
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like they're used to being out in the
<v Speaker 1>woods and like being around some stuff, you know. And uh,
<v Speaker 1>I just wasn't that type of guy, you know, And
<v Speaker 1>so it was a little alienating. I kept my mouth
<v Speaker 1>shut mostly and listened. And so just listening to them,
<v Speaker 1>you know, talk, I started thinking, well, these people are
<v Speaker 1>I think they're crazy. I hate to say that too,
<v Speaker 1>you know, but like, yeah, it's kind of thought they're crazy,
<v Speaker 1>and maybe they just thought they saw something, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and because I think that your mind could play tricks
<v Speaker 1>on you, you know. But but then again, just listening
<v Speaker 1>to them, like like I said, they just seemed too
<v Speaker 1>consistent with their stories, and so maybe there was something
<v Speaker 1>to it, you know. Yeah, And so we went to
<v Speaker 1>that outing and there I did have an experience during
<v Speaker 1>that outing. It was in Sulfur, Oklahoma. And the experience
<v Speaker 1>we had, you know, I didn't see a big foot,
<v Speaker 1>didn't you know. I didn't really think that what really
<v Speaker 1>was a big foot. They kept talking about the smell.
<v Speaker 1>It it's here, it's here, It's not far away from us,
<v Speaker 1>you smell that stench. And I did smell a stench.
<v Speaker 1>It was really kind of crazy because we weren't really
<v Speaker 1>that far away from water, but we were far enough
<v Speaker 1>to where it would be I have a trek to
<v Speaker 1>get there, you know. Yeah, And like the stench just
<v Speaker 1>came out of nowhere. And then I started thinking, I'm like, man,
<v Speaker 1>those are probably bores or something, you know, like they know.
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't imagine a boor smells great.
<v Speaker 2>Did it smell like anything that you had smelled before?
<v Speaker 1>No, not really. I mean I wouldn't say garbage, like
<v Speaker 1>from a garbage truck, you know, I wouldn't say that.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's kind of hard to describe honestly, like the stench,
<v Speaker 1>but it's stank. Oh yeah, it stank bad like it was.
<v Speaker 1>It was wretched. It was. It was incredibly wretched. But
<v Speaker 1>what's what I thought was so strange about it was
<v Speaker 1>before that stench showed up, or you know, there was
<v Speaker 1>no stench, and so it was very strong. It was
<v Speaker 1>a very very foul, very strong smell, and I just
<v Speaker 1>kept thinking, Man, that's probably bores or something. But then
<v Speaker 1>I thought in retrospect, I was like, no, we would
<v Speaker 1>have heard boors would wrestle around, you know, yeah, because
<v Speaker 1>I've heard bores before I out in the wilderness and stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and they're loud, you know, there was it wasn't loud
<v Speaker 1>out there, like it was very quiet. But yeah, the
<v Speaker 1>fitch came out upon us, you know, pretty heavy. And Uh.
<v Speaker 1>Another thing I thought was really strange was we were
<v Speaker 1>standing by this guy named Dan. Dan had this truck.
<v Speaker 1>I think it was like a Toyota Tacoma truck. It
<v Speaker 1>was either gray or it was white. And I'm just
<v Speaker 1>picturing it in my head and I remember it's all
<v Speaker 1>standing right there and we're all talking. We're talking kind
<v Speaker 1>of low, you know, and uh and uh, all of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, rocks got thrown at his truck. But the
<v Speaker 1>thing that's crazy is everybody that was at the at
<v Speaker 1>the main camp that went with us out there was
<v Speaker 1>there with us, and we could see all of them
<v Speaker 1>and we were all standing side by side because the
<v Speaker 1>road that we were on there was like this road
<v Speaker 1>and in the woods, and the woods was kind of
<v Speaker 1>close to that road. It was like kind of just
<v Speaker 1>like a I don't even know how I described that road.
<v Speaker 1>It was. It was just like a dirt road, but
<v Speaker 1>he just like pulled up on it and like maybe
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe fifteen feet away is when the
<v Speaker 1>woods started. And so that was really strange. Were and
<v Speaker 1>all of us were like whoa, whoa, And I think
<v Speaker 1>Dan had just got that truck or something, and it
<v Speaker 1>was all like, don't care about my truck, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you know, cause it was like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>it was like pebbles. It wasn't like big rocks or nothing,
<v Speaker 1>but it was like a handful of pebbles. But there
<v Speaker 1>was nobody out there in the in those woods that
<v Speaker 1>would have done that. You know, I can't imagine it
<v Speaker 1>being a person and having that foul of the smell,
<v Speaker 1>because man, I mean, if it was just a regular
<v Speaker 1>person like by they need to take a shower, they
<v Speaker 1>grew up pretty hard, you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, just out in the wood and throwing pebbles at people.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty much. But you know, even that didn't convince
<v Speaker 1>me all the way because I thought, well, who knows what,
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe it's somebody playing tricks. Maybe it's the
<v Speaker 1>locals and they know, you know, but they didn't know
<v Speaker 1>we were down there and where we were at. It's
<v Speaker 1>like the spillway is what we called it. There's only
<v Speaker 1>like one parking lot, you know, so you know who's there,
<v Speaker 1>and it's so dark out there that you can see
<v Speaker 1>people coming before they get there, right, So, like we
<v Speaker 1>were alone and there's no lights out there, I mean
<v Speaker 1>absolutely no lights. It's completely pitch black dark. And so anybody,
<v Speaker 1>if there was somebody out there, I mean just to
<v Speaker 1>you know, talk about that the other side you know
<v Speaker 1>of skepticism here, If there was anybody, they would have
<v Speaker 1>to trek through those woods for miles and miles because
<v Speaker 1>it's very remote out there, like once you get past
<v Speaker 1>that still that spill way. My understanding was it's pretty
<v Speaker 1>remote out there. So I don't see anybody doing that
<v Speaker 1>on a Saturday night. I mean not in the little
<v Speaker 1>town of Sulfur. I would think the good people of
<v Speaker 1>Sulfur are either shutting down for the night and the
<v Speaker 1>rowity ones that are probably out getting drunk, you know,
<v Speaker 1>or something. You know, But I couldn't imagine. I wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>waste my time doing that, you know, So it would
<v Speaker 1>have to be I guess what I'm trying to say
<v Speaker 1>is it would have to be. It would have had
<v Speaker 1>to have been very coordinated for someone to pull off
<v Speaker 1>a hoax like that, and so I just I really
<v Speaker 1>didn't know much about it, and I thought, I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see nothing. I did see a figure and
<v Speaker 1>you know, nothing like that. But the rock throwing in
<v Speaker 1>the in the stench was would be evidence, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like that's still skeptical. Don't really know much about it, right,
<v Speaker 1>easy to check off, you know. That was the first
<v Speaker 1>experience I had. The next one, my buddy was like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was probably a few months later and
<v Speaker 1>he was like, hey, you want to go down to
<v Speaker 1>Texas with me. There's a bigfoot conference, you know, and
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. I'm like, same thing. I was like, well,
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't bad last time, and this is a big conference,
<v Speaker 1>so I'm sure there's just you know, it's like a
<v Speaker 1>big foot festival. Like, well, that'd be cool. You know, hey,
<v Speaker 1>let's get out of town, you know, I mean, anything
<v Speaker 1>to get outtown. I was a young guy that backed in,
<v Speaker 1>so any excuse you could get to leave would be cool,
<v Speaker 1>you know. So we made our trip down to Jefferson, Texas.
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you that I met all these people at
<v Speaker 1>the first outing that I went to that were all
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. They were all pretty cool people from different
<v Speaker 1>parts of you know, the United States. Now you're at
<v Speaker 1>a big conference where there's you know, hundreds of people,
<v Speaker 1>which I didn't know. Like that was eye opening myself.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know there was like it had this big
<v Speaker 1>of a following, you know.
<v Speaker 2>So there was a lot of people there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was. I mean restaurants are full, hotels were full,
<v Speaker 1>you know in this little small town. I mean it
<v Speaker 1>was a it was a big gathering, you know, it's
<v Speaker 1>a big place and lots of people. Then there was
<v Speaker 1>people like authors of books and stuff you know, I
<v Speaker 1>learned about while I was there that went home and
<v Speaker 1>looked up on the internet because back then we didn't
<v Speaker 1>have smartphones, you know, and I didn't have a laptop,
<v Speaker 1>and I don't even think most places had Wi Fi.
<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe they did, but but yeah, I met
<v Speaker 1>this guy named M. K. Davis. He had he put
<v Speaker 1>on a a lecture about the Patterson film. And I'd
<v Speaker 1>seen that before. I've seen the Patterson film, you know before,
<v Speaker 1>just on like documentaries or whatever, like just flipping through
<v Speaker 1>the channels at night. You know, I didn't really stop
<v Speaker 1>to listen to much of it, but that was to me,
<v Speaker 1>I was recognizable because that was like the most famous
<v Speaker 1>you know, video of or a.
<v Speaker 2>Film of big but you know, yeah something familiar.
<v Speaker 1>Roger Patterson is like a Roger Patterson, right, yeah. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So MK Davis was doing a lecture about the photo
<v Speaker 1>and he had taken this photo. It was really cool.
<v Speaker 1>He made it like life size and it was like, wow,
<v Speaker 1>if that thing, you know, they guessed about how tall
<v Speaker 1>it was and and everything, and he made it on
<v Speaker 1>this big I don't want to say cardboard, but it
<v Speaker 1>was some kind of thing. It was tall, and I
<v Speaker 1>was like, holy shit, if that's like life size, that's
<v Speaker 1>a big thing. Man, It's a big animal or whatever
<v Speaker 1>it is, you know. I mean, so that was pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, just touching on that, Like, I really enjoyed
<v Speaker 1>his lecture about that. So as i'm you know, there's
<v Speaker 1>a conference, I'm learning a little bit more about these
<v Speaker 1>big foots. There's another guy there that was really cool.
<v Speaker 1>He did a lecture. He's the famous guy Dick And
<v Speaker 1>I can't think of his name, forgive me, I'm old.
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of the guy's name. Coleman, Lauren
<v Speaker 1>Coleman that's Lauren Coleman. And I didn't know that he
<v Speaker 1>was like a big deal in the Bigfoot world, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't know that he was like consultant on
<v Speaker 1>the movies and written all these books and stuff like.
<v Speaker 1>We listened to his lecture. That was the convention. That's
<v Speaker 1>what I remember from the actual convention part of it.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, the group that we were with, it
<v Speaker 1>was the same group that we were with in Sulfur
<v Speaker 1>or Davis, I guess Davis and Sulfur, that's the two
<v Speaker 1>towns I was by there. But anyway, we were with
<v Speaker 1>the same group. And then there was a few others
<v Speaker 1>that came through that was part of that same group,
<v Speaker 1>but they had just not made it to that outing
<v Speaker 1>and whatnot. So this guy named Bear, which bears a
<v Speaker 1>cool dude. I love. Barry was a good dude. I
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen him in many, many moons, but you know,
<v Speaker 1>that dude really knew his thing stuff on Bigfoot. He
<v Speaker 1>could tell you all kinds of stuff, you know. There
<v Speaker 1>was this woman named Kelly that was there that had
<v Speaker 1>met previously, I believe, and she was very enthusiastic about Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, a host of people, you know, I just
<v Speaker 1>remember and her bear had brought this a friend of
<v Speaker 1>his with him named Sammy. Sammy was a cool dude.
<v Speaker 1>I think those guys were from Mississippi. I think Alabama.
<v Speaker 1>I can't Alabama or Mississippi, but they just knew a
<v Speaker 1>lot about Bigfoot. So I'm listening to all this stuff
<v Speaker 1>trying to absorb it, but I'm still not like really convinced,
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, it was a good time. It
<v Speaker 1>was neat to listen to all these people's stories, you know,
<v Speaker 1>but like, still I'm not convinced, you know. I'm still like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm here to support my friend. You know. My friend
<v Speaker 1>is a he's a writer, you know, so I thought
<v Speaker 1>this stuff was just really about his interest in all
<v Speaker 1>this was just about writing a book or something, you know,
<v Speaker 1>or that's really what I kind of thought it was about.
<v Speaker 1>But when we got to Jefferson, we got there early,
<v Speaker 1>and so we were out scouting areas to go to
<v Speaker 1>go research. That was what the majority of our day
<v Speaker 1>was centered around, you know. And we went and looked
<v Speaker 1>at some of these spots during the day, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>everybody thought they were there was activity there, you know,
<v Speaker 1>just based on some of the signs that you can
<v Speaker 1>you can kind of pick out, you know, And I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is really what maybe if there's
<v Speaker 1>new research, because I don't keep up with the Bigfoot world,
<v Speaker 1>right so I don't know if there's any new clues
<v Speaker 1>to what activity would be. But what I remember picking
<v Speaker 1>up from everybody talking about it was wind formations, signs
<v Speaker 1>of that, you know. I remember some of them going
<v Speaker 1>out just around the woods a little bit just to
<v Speaker 1>see if there was any like hair on trees and
<v Speaker 1>stuff that heard that. That's a big clue that you know,
<v Speaker 1>if you see hair on trees, that could be a sign.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not definitive, meaning yes, they were here,
<v Speaker 1>but it's a good sign that there may be some
<v Speaker 1>activity here. So that's what we were doing during the day,
<v Speaker 1>and everybody that was in our group we all stayed
<v Speaker 1>together the entire time. I mean, we all had the
<v Speaker 1>same campground, you know, all of our kents were around
<v Speaker 1>each other, so no one was ever split up. We
<v Speaker 1>were never split up as a group. You know. I
<v Speaker 1>picked up on that while I was there. I believe
<v Speaker 1>that that's the key detail in my story because I
<v Speaker 1>was watching, I was observing that because I'm like well,
<v Speaker 1>what if they find one of these bigfoots? You know,
<v Speaker 1>in my mind, I'm thinking, what if they find one
<v Speaker 1>of these and then you know, they're like oh and
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh my god, it's bigfoot. See. But yet,
<v Speaker 1>if we were all broken up as a group, who's
<v Speaker 1>to say one of them didn't go off to you know,
<v Speaker 1>plan this with somebody else, so to hoax the whole thing.
<v Speaker 2>So you're looking for like shenanigans.
<v Speaker 1>Right right, So I'm watching everybody the whole time, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I'm keeping eye contact on them and stuff, you know.
<v Speaker 1>So but yeah, anyway, so we go and do you know,
<v Speaker 1>the the stuff at the convention. You know, we do
<v Speaker 1>scouting whatnot, so we know where we're gonna where we're
<v Speaker 1>going to research. And another thing, it was kind of
<v Speaker 1>funny about the the actual place was there was I
<v Speaker 1>want to say there was like federal signs up, but
<v Speaker 1>I think it was more like you know, ranger type stuff,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like it wasn't like a national park that
<v Speaker 1>we were at by any means. It was just like
<v Speaker 1>I can't even really describe honestly exactly whose property that was,
<v Speaker 1>but I don't believe it was. It belonged to any
<v Speaker 1>you know, one individual I believe probably belonged to the state,
<v Speaker 1>so it may have been state property.
<v Speaker 2>But there was like government public access signs.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then there were some signs that we saw,
<v Speaker 1>but the signs weren't very posted, you know, like they
<v Speaker 1>weren't like posted very how can I say it, Like
<v Speaker 1>they weren't They weren't posted where you could just see them,
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like you had to kind
<v Speaker 1>of go back a little ways to see these signs.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, there was one gate that I did
<v Speaker 1>see a sign on. I don't know what the sign said,
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it was it was some kind of
<v Speaker 1>government entity that owned the place, you know. And I'm
<v Speaker 1>not saying that there was like a facility, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like a government facility there or anything like that, just
<v Speaker 1>you know, it may have just been stuff where it's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>we got put these signs up, you know, for liability
<v Speaker 1>purposes or whatever. But it was a pretty cool like
<v Speaker 1>little place that we were at, you know, and everybody
<v Speaker 1>thought it was a good place to research bigfoot. So
<v Speaker 1>but anyway, sorry, that's the parents started thinking about it
<v Speaker 1>a little bit and it just kind of I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>but it's take it takes me back to that night.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I can still see it. It's then I
<v Speaker 1>think we went to that place. I think it was
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two. I was in my twenties. I
<v Speaker 1>was in my mid twenties. So yeah, it's still fresh
<v Speaker 1>in my head, you know, like my actual encountered what
<v Speaker 1>I saw on everything. So and I'll say it's still
<v Speaker 1>in retrospect, it's still kind of terrifying. I'm not gonna lie,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like and the it's still kind of terrifying.
<v Speaker 1>So we do all that stuff, we go back to camp.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's getting dark, it's getting late, and so
<v Speaker 1>everybody's ready they want to go research this area we found.
<v Speaker 1>We take two car loads and you know, we're like
<v Speaker 1>in suburban trucks, you know, and I think one of
<v Speaker 1>them is suburban and the other I think it was
<v Speaker 1>my buddies. Uh yeah, explore at the time, a Ford explorer.
<v Speaker 1>So you know, we're all fitting everybody in, right. So
<v Speaker 1>like there's two different pathways as you could go, Like, well,
<v Speaker 1>when you get into this place, you're driving for a
<v Speaker 1>good distance in, you know, and so you're going kind
<v Speaker 1>of deep into the woods, you know, from the from
<v Speaker 1>the highway, you know, so it takes a few minutes
<v Speaker 1>to get deep in there, you know. And then when
<v Speaker 1>we get down there, there's like, you know, there's one
<v Speaker 1>road it just goes all the way back and it stops.
<v Speaker 1>And then there was a if you take a there's
<v Speaker 1>a road to the right, so you could take a
<v Speaker 1>right and go around, and then it had the same
<v Speaker 1>type of road and it just stopped too, so you
<v Speaker 1>couldn't circle around or anything like that. You had to
<v Speaker 1>like back up, you know and go. So it was
<v Speaker 1>like kind of like a I guess, like kind of
<v Speaker 1>a y shape, you know. But there was like as
<v Speaker 1>far as like being able to see and stuff the
<v Speaker 1>other side, so like if you're in one side, there's
<v Speaker 1>trees all around blocking so you couldn't see the other
<v Speaker 1>side of this road where, you know, the other group went.
<v Speaker 1>So like we broke up into two groups, so our
<v Speaker 1>vehicles went one way and then another. The other part
<v Speaker 1>of our group went to the other side to research.
<v Speaker 1>And so we're doing all the like normal stuff. Everybody's
<v Speaker 1>got like spotlights. I think we had a oh god,
<v Speaker 1>what's that thing? A bionic ear with the microphone and
<v Speaker 1>like the little dish and then a recorder, and so
<v Speaker 1>that's I guess the record sounds and stuff. And so
<v Speaker 1>we're out there. We're not really seeing nothing, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and so we're all just kind of walking around, and
<v Speaker 1>it's just like in my head thinking, I'm like, man,
<v Speaker 1>we even just to be out here. I don't think
<v Speaker 1>we're supposed to be out there. So nothing's happening, and
<v Speaker 1>it's like a long time, you know, and we're out
<v Speaker 1>there for quite a while, probably a few hours, I
<v Speaker 1>would say. So in that first hour, nothing's really happening,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I'm just sitting there bumbling around, you know,
<v Speaker 1>because like I still feel a little alienated. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know all these people very well. You know. I don't
<v Speaker 1>really know a lot about Bigfoot, nor do I didn't
<v Speaker 1>really care at that point, honestly. I mean I was listening,
<v Speaker 1>because I do listen whenever people talk just truth being done.
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't really care, you know. I was just
<v Speaker 1>kind of there for the ride, you know, And so
<v Speaker 1>I remember, I'm like, man, nobody's seeing nothing, Like this
<v Speaker 1>ship must not be real, you know. And I didn't
<v Speaker 1>smell any stintch or anything. This time. The rocks are
<v Speaker 1>getting thrown. Nothing's happening, you know. So I remember this
<v Speaker 1>guy last outing or that first outing, and I went
<v Speaker 1>to in a sulfur. He had said, if you want
<v Speaker 1>to see a bigfoot, he goes, most people when they're
<v Speaker 1>looking for bigfoot, they're looking up at eye level. He said, No,
<v Speaker 1>that's not how you do it. He said, you want
<v Speaker 1>to see one point your point your spotlight low to
<v Speaker 1>the ground, like where the tree trunk would begin from
<v Speaker 1>the ground. He goes, That's where you're going to see
<v Speaker 1>eye shine. That's where you're going to see you know,
<v Speaker 1>you know, a critter moving around or something you're going
<v Speaker 1>to see. That's you know, they're going to be on
<v Speaker 1>the ground. Because to them, they believed that like Bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>is the stealth entity. I guess, I don't know, it's
<v Speaker 1>not human, it's not an that's what they believe, right.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like sitting there or I'm standing there, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, this is bullshit. And so for the
<v Speaker 1>life of me, I was just like, remember what that
<v Speaker 1>dude said. And so I was like, let's just put
<v Speaker 1>it to this desk. Let's just see. I bet I'm
<v Speaker 1>not gonna see shit. So I take my little spotlight
<v Speaker 1>and I start pointing it towards the ground like that.
<v Speaker 1>Dude said, you know, nothing's happening. I'm not seeing shit.
<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, I point it in
<v Speaker 1>another direction and then I see something. I see some
<v Speaker 1>eye shine. But even then, I still wasn't like convinced,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I wasn't convinced at all. I was just like, man,
<v Speaker 1>that's like a squirrel or a fox or or some
<v Speaker 1>kind of critter out there. You know. It's not bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>you know. And then when I held the eye, when
<v Speaker 1>I held the the the spotlight on it, that's when
<v Speaker 1>it just sit there. And then it moved very quickly.
<v Speaker 1>I being like so fast, and I was like, holy,
<v Speaker 1>what is that? What moves that quickly? You know. I
<v Speaker 1>had said something to everybody. I said, hey, I've got
<v Speaker 1>eyeshine over here, and it just moved, and so I
<v Speaker 1>move with it, and I look and I see again,
<v Speaker 1>and it's right there by the tree trunks, you know,
<v Speaker 1>right there at the beginning on the ground, you know,
<v Speaker 1>But this time it's on the other side of the
<v Speaker 1>of the tree, you know, on another tree over so.
<v Speaker 2>It's moved to a different tree right right, It's moved
<v Speaker 2>to a different tree.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm sitting there looking at so everybody's crowding around me,
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I'm like, look, I got something. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know what it is. And then all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>it's just sitting there, you know, and it's not moving,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, it must be looking at us for
<v Speaker 1>some reason, you know, just trying to check out who
<v Speaker 1>we are or what's going on, you know. And then
<v Speaker 1>the eyes closed. It didn't move left or right, they
<v Speaker 1>just closed, just like the eyes just went away, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm like, well, hell, this is a big foot.
<v Speaker 1>Let's look up. And so I pointed my spotlight up
<v Speaker 1>and I kind of overshot it at first because I
<v Speaker 1>saw something. And then I went back to it and
<v Speaker 1>that's when I saw it, and I was like, holy shit,
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck is that? And I saw the eyeshine
<v Speaker 1>At this point, my spotlight is kind of like bleaching
<v Speaker 1>it out sort of. And then I saw it moved
<v Speaker 1>and throw its arm around the tree and like kind
<v Speaker 1>of gripped the tree, and I was like, holy shit.
<v Speaker 1>And it was like a big, tall, hairy dude is
<v Speaker 1>what it looked like, not like hairy, like you know,
<v Speaker 1>like a hairy, burly guy, but like it was covered
<v Speaker 1>in hair. And the only thing I could see that
<v Speaker 1>looked like skin was the forehead and then the cheeks
<v Speaker 1>and that was it. Everything else it was just hair.
<v Speaker 1>And like the hair he swayed, and when it moved
<v Speaker 1>that arm, the hair swayed at the bottom like it
<v Speaker 1>was like it had some kind of like I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>I remember those jackets back in the eighties, you know, with.
<v Speaker 2>Like the fringe.
<v Speaker 1>The fringe, that's what That's what I was gonna say.
<v Speaker 1>That's what I made me think of. But it was
<v Speaker 1>like hair because it just kind of whisped, you know,
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, holy shit, man, and I didn't
<v Speaker 1>know what to think. I didn't I got scared. I
<v Speaker 1>got really scared, and I threw the spotlight up and
<v Speaker 1>up in the air behind me, and my buddy is
<v Speaker 1>behind me, and he's a you know, he's a big guy,
<v Speaker 1>and earned Bear and Sammy were back there behind him.
<v Speaker 1>So we're all just kind of like together in this
<v Speaker 1>little punched group, you know. And when I did that,
<v Speaker 1>I threw that spotlight up and so I'm surrounded by
<v Speaker 1>all these big dudes and I busted out and it
<v Speaker 1>was like I went and just made a hole right
<v Speaker 1>through all of them and ran to the truck. I
<v Speaker 1>ran to the to the exploor. And when I'm sitting
<v Speaker 1>there yelling, I'm screaming, I'm like, holy shit, what the
<v Speaker 1>fuck is I didn't know what was going on? And
<v Speaker 1>whenever I did, I went to the door, the truck
<v Speaker 1>was locked. And so I'm sitting there just I'm about
<v Speaker 1>to like snatch the window with my hand. You know,
<v Speaker 1>That's how much I wanted inside that truck. So you're
<v Speaker 1>freaking out, definitely, Yeah, one hundred and ten percent freaking
<v Speaker 1>the out, And like, you know, because I never seen
<v Speaker 1>anything like that before, you know, and like it's all
<v Speaker 1>going through my head, like you know, all at the
<v Speaker 1>same time, it's like, you know, you don't believe in
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. You know, you've heard it. It's a myth,
<v Speaker 1>it's a legend. You know. How much weight you want
<v Speaker 1>to give that stuff is? I guess up to the person.
<v Speaker 1>But for me, before that, before I saw it, I
<v Speaker 1>did not believe in it whatsoever. I just thought it
<v Speaker 1>was people just too much time on our hands, you know,
<v Speaker 1>And didn't you know, I don't know, I tell you,
<v Speaker 1>terrified me and So after that, my buddy like unlocked
<v Speaker 1>the door with Keith, Bob you and it comes over,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I get in that motherfucker and I'm
<v Speaker 1>like close the door, I'm locking the shit. And I'm
<v Speaker 1>still sitting there thinking like what the fuck are they doing?
<v Speaker 1>They're all out there, They're still looking to get in
<v Speaker 1>the cars. Let's go, let's just get out of here,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like like, because I thought that was like
<v Speaker 1>we were at death con like one, you know what
<v Speaker 1>I mean.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think the thing was like going to attack you?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I thought, like, you know, something like that. It
<v Speaker 1>was big it if I was to guests, and I've
<v Speaker 1>told people this over the years, it made me think
<v Speaker 1>of Chebacca from Star Wars. That's the closest I could
<v Speaker 1>relate to what it looked like to me. You know,
<v Speaker 1>it was lanky. It wasn't like muscular and like you know,
<v Speaker 1>whole Colgan and shit, you know what I mean. It
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like that, you know, it was it was very thin,
<v Speaker 1>you know. And but Harry and uh, the closest I
<v Speaker 1>could describe it. Yeah, Chebacca from Star Wars. Yeah, that's
<v Speaker 1>that was what happens. And n'or like I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I felt like a fool honestly after the fact, because
<v Speaker 1>you know, everybody else is like, you know, wanted to
<v Speaker 1>like catch some glimpses of it and study it and
<v Speaker 1>see what it's doing and all that stuff. Me I thought,
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, in my head, it's like
<v Speaker 1>that's a threat. Never seen anything like that before, don't
<v Speaker 1>know what it's going to do, don't know what it's
<v Speaker 1>capable of. Let's get the fuck out of here. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Because I stayed in the car the whole time after that,
<v Speaker 1>I want I understand there was more activity out there,
<v Speaker 1>Like all of a sudden, it's like there's eye shine
<v Speaker 1>and they're popping up all of it. So there was
<v Speaker 1>like more than one, you know. So if I goes
<v Speaker 1>to guests, maybe that one was just scouting everything out
<v Speaker 1>and then maybe made some noise to call the others.
<v Speaker 1>But they never like obviously came out to the road.
<v Speaker 1>But if I was the guests, just based on what
<v Speaker 1>I remember, there was at least ten of them out there,
<v Speaker 1>I would probably assume if I remember right, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like I said, I wasn't. I stayed in the car
<v Speaker 1>the whole time after that, But there was at least
<v Speaker 1>ten I think or close to ten out there, and
<v Speaker 1>they were surrounded, basically surrounding us. They went through the
<v Speaker 1>other parts of the woods that were where that road
<v Speaker 1>was at and pretty much formed formation around us, and
<v Speaker 1>so we were surrounded by them the whole time. I'm
<v Speaker 1>just like, this is this is nuts. I can't believe it.
<v Speaker 1>It was like mind blowing, you know, and uh, yeah
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was crazy. It was like it was
<v Speaker 1>just you know, And so you know, for me, I'm
<v Speaker 1>not I don't want to see that motherfucker again. I
<v Speaker 1>don't want to go out there to see that. All
<v Speaker 1>these researchers and stuff have at it. Man, I could
<v Speaker 1>just tell you from my own experience, this ship is real,
<v Speaker 1>like bigfoot is real. At this point, I think big
<v Speaker 1>footage just like a catch all name for it. I've
<v Speaker 1>seen it from castings we've seen and stuff, you know.
<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, I mean, and who knows. Maybe that
<v Speaker 1>one was just a juvenile. Maybe that's why he was
<v Speaker 1>so thin. But he was tall. He was tall if
<v Speaker 1>I was the guests. And then this is another thing.
<v Speaker 1>It's so weird because yeah, I hear stories I've heard,
<v Speaker 1>you know, because once in a while I'll look at
<v Speaker 1>this stuff online, you know, because it's so popular now,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and people will say, oh, it's ten foot tall.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was twelve foot tall. It was this
<v Speaker 1>wasn't that tall? Like if I was to yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>mean it's it was tall, don't hear wrong? But like
<v Speaker 1>I'm a sure dude. So, like I'm only five foot six, right,
<v Speaker 1>so I'm a sure dude. If I was the guest,
<v Speaker 1>just based on what I saw, it was over six foot,
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say like eight foot. I mean maybe if
<v Speaker 1>I was wrong just from like judgment on distance, but
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like like how I don't know how tall
<v Speaker 1>shack because it was probably about a tall shack.
<v Speaker 2>I would think whenever you saw it in your mind,
<v Speaker 2>you would relate it to just a really tall person
<v Speaker 2>and not like a giant.
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say giant. But I've met tall people before,
<v Speaker 1>Like I met this guy, like you're about ten years ago.
<v Speaker 1>He was six foot nine and you know, obviously, you know,
<v Speaker 1>you see tall people on the internet, the World's Tall Guy,
<v Speaker 1>you know, things like that. But when you stand in
<v Speaker 1>front of somebody that's like abnormally tall, it's very noticeable.
<v Speaker 1>And you feel very small, you know, even guys that
<v Speaker 1>are like six foot, you know, because to be six
<v Speaker 1>foot's tall, you know, that's a tall guy. They would
<v Speaker 1>look small compared to this thing. So yeah, maybe seven
<v Speaker 1>foot tall maybe, I mean, I'll at least not over
<v Speaker 1>eight not over eight foot, you know, I don't know, man,
<v Speaker 1>I just it was something that was just like I said,
<v Speaker 1>it's never left my mind. I think about it sometimes
<v Speaker 1>quite probably more than if I should, you know, but
<v Speaker 1>I still to this day cannot believe that those things
<v Speaker 1>are real. It's like you grow up and you don't
<v Speaker 1>you hear stuff about that, you know, like it's always
<v Speaker 1>been like a legend, and like, you know, it's just
<v Speaker 1>a kind of a fun thing. Is the way I
<v Speaker 1>always looked at it, like, ah, my fit's the biggest
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot you know, or you know, people nicknamed it, just
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, and so, but you never really take
<v Speaker 1>it seriously. And then whenever I saw that, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it, you know, I mean I believe it,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I believe it. In that After that, it
<v Speaker 1>pretty much changed my life as far as what you believe,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like things are not always what they see,
<v Speaker 1>you know, what I mean. Yeah, people could say this
<v Speaker 1>and this and that, you know, but till you encounter
<v Speaker 1>something that you can't explain that this is not supposed
<v Speaker 1>to be real, then you know it can talk to
<v Speaker 1>me about it.
<v Speaker 2>So if you've followed the show over the years, you
<v Speaker 2>may have heard this story before. You might have heard
<v Speaker 2>me talk about this story before. I am the crazy
<v Speaker 2>friend that he was with. This is my best friend Rod,
<v Speaker 2>like he said, we went to high school together, been
<v Speaker 2>friends ever since. And yeah, I dragged him along with
<v Speaker 2>me back in the early research days. You know, not
<v Speaker 2>only did I just want someone with you know, someone
<v Speaker 2>that I knew and trusted, because I was still kind
<v Speaker 2>of new to this and like meeting people and getting
<v Speaker 2>to know them for the first time. Obviously, I wanted
<v Speaker 2>somebody to ride to these locations with me and hang
<v Speaker 2>out with me. You know, it's a long trip. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I was kind of living this double life,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like he said, he didn't really know what
<v Speaker 2>was going on. He just kind of heard things here
<v Speaker 2>and there that I'm like into Bigfoot or whatever, and
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to kind of overlap those two worlds, you know,
<v Speaker 2>my my personal real world. And then my Bigfoot world.
<v Speaker 2>I was not by any means expecting this to happen,
<v Speaker 2>which is still just freaking crazy.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>That yeah, the first incident that you talked about with
<v Speaker 2>the rock throwing and all that in Sulfur, that was
<v Speaker 2>actually whenever I had my first sighting. And I don't
<v Speaker 2>even think we talked about it. I think you were
<v Speaker 2>aware of it, but I don't think you believed me.
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I didn't. I didn't believe you.
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's fine, I was telling the truth. Well I
<v Speaker 2>realized that now, yeah, now, and then you know, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and then like a couple months later, we go to
<v Speaker 2>Texas and lo and behold, the craziest Bigfoot event I
<v Speaker 2>ever experienced took place. You know, if it had been
<v Speaker 2>properly documented on video like we should have been doing.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this was like a historic Bigfoot event. In
<v Speaker 2>my eyes, this this was like a major deal because
<v Speaker 2>you saw it, but then the rest of us saw
<v Speaker 2>it too. We saw glimpses of it, at least we
<v Speaker 2>think it was the same one. And then, like you said,
<v Speaker 2>the rest of that night, we were surrounded by them,
<v Speaker 2>by multiples of them, and they were making vocalizations. The
<v Speaker 2>way I put it, they were acting really strange. They
<v Speaker 2>weren't acting normal to me. I don't know why. I
<v Speaker 2>don't understand why the one didn't just leave the area
<v Speaker 2>whenever we got there. I don't know why they never
<v Speaker 2>left the area, but it's like they stood their ground.
<v Speaker 2>And I think we might have been fortunate that we
<v Speaker 2>had a large group of people with us. I think
<v Speaker 2>if it had just been like the two of us
<v Speaker 2>down there, I don't know, man.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I think Dan Vicky were on the other
<v Speaker 1>side with Kelly and the who's the other lady, Crystal.
<v Speaker 1>Crystal was over there with them.
<v Speaker 2>Whenever I got into the Explorer and went to start it,
<v Speaker 2>that va whenever I would start it, whenever i'd turned
<v Speaker 2>the ignition, it would automatically lock the doors, and Bear
<v Speaker 2>and Sammy were still outside the Explorer trying to get
<v Speaker 2>in and started slapping the door handles and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's what I was doing. I'm trying. I'm
<v Speaker 1>just trying to I'm like, come on, open the damp thing.
<v Speaker 1>Sammy I think was trying to he had a gun.
<v Speaker 1>I think he was trying to get his gun. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you know, because that was the whole encounter. Was alarmed
<v Speaker 1>him enough that he was about to pull out. He
<v Speaker 1>was trying to get a gun, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Because the thing didn't leave, it didn't retreat. Like that's
<v Speaker 2>what was so crazy.
<v Speaker 1>You know what Else what was crazy Now I'm thinking
<v Speaker 1>about it, they were probably they were a far away
<v Speaker 1>from us, you know, like distance wise, because I didn't
<v Speaker 1>smell that stinch, you know, And so just thinking, I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, thinking back on soulfur when we you know,
<v Speaker 1>we smell that stinch. It was so that thing in
<v Speaker 1>Sulfur must have been very close to us. Yeah, just
<v Speaker 1>within a few feet, because if you could smell them
<v Speaker 1>that yeah, because like I said, it was wretched. It
<v Speaker 1>was wretched when it smelled like but those ones in
<v Speaker 1>Texas were further away. I don't know how far away
<v Speaker 1>I would say, but they were I guess not half
<v Speaker 1>of a football filled the way, but close to it,
<v Speaker 1>maybe forty forty yards maybe maybe a little closer. But
<v Speaker 1>like you know, I didn't, I didn't smell anything, you know,
<v Speaker 1>but it was it was a good distance away, you know.
<v Speaker 1>But so now thinking about it, it's like, man, those
<v Speaker 1>ones at Sulfur, or that one, or if there was
<v Speaker 1>more than one, they must have been very close to us,
<v Speaker 1>like and that's kind of freaky now I think about it,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like, like man, and that scared the daylights
<v Speaker 1>out of me. In Texas, had I seen one that
<v Speaker 1>close and sulfur, I don't know, I may have passed out.
<v Speaker 1>I would have probably passed out.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the one down in Texas. We're you know,
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about it over the years. I'm not even
<v Speaker 2>sure that there was just one there whenever you saw it.
<v Speaker 2>There might have been more than one there already, but
<v Speaker 2>you were talking about hitting it with the spotlight, and
<v Speaker 2>the the beam of the spotlight is so bright it
<v Speaker 2>kind of like bleached out the colors. So yeah, to me,
<v Speaker 2>it would have had to have been kind of close.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that was like a million power, million candlepower spotlight.
<v Speaker 1>That we had.
<v Speaker 2>And then during the whole event, after everybody's kind of
<v Speaker 2>calmed down, we got back in the car and got
<v Speaker 2>it started and everything and kind of regained our composure.
<v Speaker 2>You were still freaking out quite a bit. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>was shivery. Yeah, sh I'm pretty certain you were going
<v Speaker 2>into shock. Yeah, it was bad. And we contacted the
<v Speaker 2>other group and told them, hey, get down here. We
<v Speaker 2>didn't just haul ass and then we got back out.
<v Speaker 1>Of the vehicle.
<v Speaker 2>You stayed in the vehicle, but after we got back out,
<v Speaker 2>that's whenever. I All I can say is I saw
<v Speaker 2>what looked like something running through the woods, and in
<v Speaker 2>the space between the trees where I could see it,
<v Speaker 2>I saw what appeared to be the upper hip area,
<v Speaker 2>the rib cage, and like kind of part of a
<v Speaker 2>bent arm and the beginnings of a shoulder as it
<v Speaker 2>just ran through a gap basically, and it looked kind
<v Speaker 2>of skinny, like you're saying. I could see the ribs,
<v Speaker 2>and it was the color of the dead pine needles.
<v Speaker 2>There was dead pine trees, pine needles all over the
<v Speaker 2>floor out there. Yeah, And then the other guys got
<v Speaker 2>a glimpse of it. At one point it was running
<v Speaker 2>through the woods kind of away from us, but going
<v Speaker 2>towards the road. And I had heard noises on the
<v Speaker 2>opposite side of the road. And I'm talking about the
<v Speaker 2>road that we came in on, not the one that
<v Speaker 2>wis off. And I pointed my spotlight down there because
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to see it cross the road. I thought
<v Speaker 2>it was going to cross the road and circle back,
<v Speaker 2>and I saw its eyeshine and its silhouette way on
<v Speaker 2>down the road, kind of like peeking out of the
<v Speaker 2>brush or whatever. And I watched the eyeshine change color
<v Speaker 2>as it turned away from me. It started out like
<v Speaker 2>an amber color and went almost like green and till color.
<v Speaker 2>And then the other group got down there, you know,
<v Speaker 2>some of the ladies piled in the car and was
<v Speaker 2>talking to you, trying to get you to calm down
<v Speaker 2>and everything, and we ended up staying there for a while.
<v Speaker 2>And I mean there was just all kinds of stuff, whistling,
<v Speaker 2>lots of whistling, lots of things running through the woods,
<v Speaker 2>limb brakes. There was a patch of underbrush kind of
<v Speaker 2>right next to where I was parked, and in this
<v Speaker 2>underbrush you would see something peeking up, like kind of
<v Speaker 2>standing up, and you would turn and point your spotlight
<v Speaker 2>towards it, and it would duck right back down like
<v Speaker 2>before you could get your spotlight on it. And that
<v Speaker 2>went on for at least an hour. It was crazy,
<v Speaker 2>and then eventually everything just seemed to kind of quiet
<v Speaker 2>down and dissipate, and it seemed like they had left
<v Speaker 2>the area whatever it was. But like you said, based
<v Speaker 2>on the sounds, we were all hearing from different directions
<v Speaker 2>and the things, you know, the little glimpses of people
<v Speaker 2>would get here and there. I mean, I guess there's
<v Speaker 2>at least seven to ten of them out there. And
<v Speaker 2>I know that sounds absolutely crazy to people that are
<v Speaker 2>listening to this, But you weren't there, man, I'm telling you.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was just one or two individuals running around
<v Speaker 2>like crazy, but it seemed like a group of them
<v Speaker 2>had surrounded us.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that was That was scary, dude, Still scary
<v Speaker 1>to this day. It is still scares me. Now.
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember the next day whenever we went back
<v Speaker 2>during the day.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, that was that was crazy too, because I
<v Speaker 1>remember what it looked like before we saw the Bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>and then what it looked like after. I mean, it
<v Speaker 1>was like literally destroyed. They had marked their territory out
<v Speaker 1>there the next day, like and even like coming in
<v Speaker 1>like when when you're going towards it, you know, further
<v Speaker 1>up the road, they had marked their territory. They didn't
<v Speaker 1>even put like, you know, branches, big branches, and I
<v Speaker 1>think one of them had pushed a tree over, like
<v Speaker 1>it's not like a big thick tree, but like you know,
<v Speaker 1>one of the smaller ones, like because it was laying
<v Speaker 1>out there, not completely in the road, you know, but
<v Speaker 1>it was partly in the road.
<v Speaker 2>On our initial way into the area, we had driven
<v Speaker 2>by this place and seen the gate he talked about
<v Speaker 2>and the road going back there and everything, and had
<v Speaker 2>kind of made a mental note of it, you know, like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>that might be good back off and there we should
<v Speaker 2>go look at it. And then, like you were saying,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we went and scouted areas while it was
<v Speaker 2>still daylight, so we had gone back in there during
<v Speaker 2>the day and seeing everything, and then we went back
<v Speaker 2>there that night and it all looked the same except dark.
<v Speaker 2>We had all that crazy activity you had, your sighting
<v Speaker 2>and everything. Yeah, and then we went back to camp.
<v Speaker 2>And then the next morning, which it was late morning,
<v Speaker 2>right before noon if I remember correctly, we went back
<v Speaker 2>to the location. Now, this location was maybe a ten
<v Speaker 2>minute drive from where we were camped. We were camped
<v Speaker 2>on the shores of a lake, and it was just
<v Speaker 2>kind of around on the other side of the lake.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a long distance or anything or in a
<v Speaker 2>different geographic area. It was right where we were at basically.
<v Speaker 2>And that next day, that next morning, whenever we went
<v Speaker 2>in there, Like you're saying, everything was just destroyed to hell.
<v Speaker 2>It looked like heavy equipment had been in there operating.
<v Speaker 2>There was just like saplings ripped out of the ground
<v Speaker 2>and just debrithe all over the road where I had
<v Speaker 2>been parked, and there was a really tall pine tree
<v Speaker 2>where it looked like something I don't even know how
<v Speaker 2>to describe it. It looked like the trunk of the
<v Speaker 2>tree at the base was torn, not chopped with an axe,
<v Speaker 2>but just like torn apart, and it looked like something
<v Speaker 2>had tried to push it across the road where I
<v Speaker 2>had been parked at. But there's like these big like
<v Speaker 2>vines and stuff and all the surrounding trees that had
<v Speaker 2>caught the tree to keep it from falling, otherwise it
<v Speaker 2>would have fallen. But it looked like something had just
<v Speaker 2>like destroyed the area, like had thrown a big fit.
<v Speaker 2>And there was like ex formations and tree brakes and
<v Speaker 2>just stuff all over the place. And there was no
<v Speaker 2>like bad weather that night or wind or anything. We
<v Speaker 2>were we were camping in tents, like I said, ten
<v Speaker 2>minutes away, So I don't know what else could have done.
<v Speaker 1>It, right, Yeah, that was very alarming when we went
<v Speaker 1>back in there. That was to me, it just it
<v Speaker 1>looked destroyed, and it not looked the same the next day,
<v Speaker 1>you know, that did previously. So I have to wonder.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, I wonder if this Bigfoots had like
<v Speaker 1>their own small little community and therein I wonder if
<v Speaker 1>people don't go back there that often to look for bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, or if it's very you know,
<v Speaker 1>because it was kind of a remote area, yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 1>not so remote that we couldn't get back to civilization quickly,
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it didn't look like there was anything.
<v Speaker 1>I'll put it this way, there was nothing back there
<v Speaker 1>in those woods that would anyone would have any business
<v Speaker 1>being back there.
<v Speaker 2>From what I understood, because I like talk to people
<v Speaker 2>later on from the area, was that that was a
<v Speaker 2>public access area where they allowed deer hunting during deer season,
<v Speaker 2>and because it was early on, right before deer season,
<v Speaker 2>those gates were opened for people to go back there
<v Speaker 2>and scout the area before hunting season started. But otherwise
<v Speaker 2>that first initial gate that you talked about that stays
<v Speaker 2>closed year round, closed and locked and they don't allow
<v Speaker 2>anybody back there. And then they just opened that gate
<v Speaker 2>for deer season, and you would like go off the
<v Speaker 2>highway down this service road. You would go down that
<v Speaker 2>road and then it would kind of zigzag back off
<v Speaker 2>in there for a few miles, and then where he
<v Speaker 2>had parked at there was another gate there, but that
<v Speaker 2>gate was closed and locked, and two big trees on
<v Speaker 2>each side of it looked like they had been intentionally
<v Speaker 2>pushed over and I'm going to say an X, but
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like an ex formation. They were just laying
<v Speaker 2>in that position, but they were pushed all the way
<v Speaker 2>down like they were blocking that gate, where even if
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to unlock that gate and drive back there,
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't, And there wasn't any road access or anything.
<v Speaker 2>But I actually talked to another bigfoot guy, Luke Gross,
<v Speaker 2>who lives down in Texas, who said that back in
<v Speaker 2>I want to say the eighties, it might have been
<v Speaker 2>the nineties, but years before we ever went back there,
<v Speaker 2>he was back there deer hunting and had a siding.
<v Speaker 2>But he had come in from the other side where
<v Speaker 2>there's like another like access road several miles away that
<v Speaker 2>you can like park at and then walk in there,
<v Speaker 2>and he wasn't at the same exact location, but he
<v Speaker 2>was in those same woods deer hunting whenever he's whenever
<v Speaker 2>he had his siding. Yeah, and then you know, obviously
<v Speaker 2>it kind of became a famous spot because we were
<v Speaker 2>at a bigfoot conference and we talked about it the
<v Speaker 2>next day, and another group of people went with us
<v Speaker 2>out there the next night. Nothing happened, but they saw,
<v Speaker 2>you know, how the area was destroyed and everything. But
<v Speaker 2>then years after that people have returned to that location
<v Speaker 2>and had sightings and encounters at that same spot.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's insane. That's insane. So it's not just using.
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I had one guy on the podcast who's
<v Speaker 2>a pastor who referred to it as Roddy Road named
<v Speaker 2>after you. So yeah, it's it's kind of becoming. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of become its own leg. I don't know, man,
<v Speaker 2>like you, you know, you never got into like the
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot research really, but I mean you went with me
<v Speaker 2>a few times after that, but we never experienced anything
<v Speaker 2>like that ever.
<v Speaker 1>Again. No, No, I don't think we had the closest
<v Speaker 1>to an encounter I had after that. I was just
<v Speaker 1>hearing like calls, you know, yeah, that just calls, which
<v Speaker 1>d you know, we hear those like in its sulfur,
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, and like those are pretty easy to hear,
<v Speaker 1>which is great, you know if you want kind of
<v Speaker 1>like a the fut light experience, you know, like that's
<v Speaker 1>a good experience to have. I mean, you know, it
<v Speaker 1>can kind of help prove some stuff to you. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>not really, but like you know, I just yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>just I don't know, man, I didn't believe in those things,
<v Speaker 1>and it made me question a lot of stuff, you know,
<v Speaker 1>Like I'll tell you maybe, I mean I don't get
<v Speaker 1>into like conspiracy theories and things like that, but it
<v Speaker 1>definitely makes me question. You know. I don't just push
<v Speaker 1>off things as that's bullshit. That's bullshit too. You know.
<v Speaker 1>I'll listen to what everybody, anyone's got to say, you know,
<v Speaker 1>what they believe that is not normal, you know, from
<v Speaker 1>people nowadays. I think more people have in today's world
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty six believe things that they didn't believe
<v Speaker 1>ten years ago or that they ever thought, you know,
<v Speaker 1>but they're more open to it. So I'm more open
<v Speaker 1>to that, but I have been since then. You know.
<v Speaker 1>But I'll tell you it really blows me away how
<v Speaker 1>many people do not I believe you know your story,
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, because whenever it first happened, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like when I was processing it and things like that,
<v Speaker 1>I was telling people, I told close friends and family
<v Speaker 1>about it, and they just kind of looked at me like, okay, man,
<v Speaker 1>sure you did. And some of me made fun of me,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I had to take that as well,
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I was the same way. I was
<v Speaker 1>the very same way, even though you know, I love
<v Speaker 1>you man, you know, we've been friends a long time,
<v Speaker 1>and I trust you, but yeah, I didn't believe you either,
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And so I understand what
<v Speaker 1>that feels like now, and and so I kind of
<v Speaker 1>keep quiet about it now. I don't really tell people
<v Speaker 1>about it, you know anymore.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what a lot of people do, right,
<v Speaker 2>because how do you expect people listen to you whenever
<v Speaker 2>the whole world says something doesn't exist, and you're trying
<v Speaker 2>to tell them that it does, right.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it really makes the case for you know,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to get religious, but Christianity for instance,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean it kind of makes for me.
<v Speaker 1>I believe in God and I believe in Jesus way
<v Speaker 1>more than I did before. This happened. You know. I
<v Speaker 1>think before this happened, I just kind of accepted it
<v Speaker 1>because it was church. You grew up in church, and
<v Speaker 1>you just believe it, and like okay, you know, and
<v Speaker 1>you're just kind of going blindly at it. But like now,
<v Speaker 1>after seeing this, I won't say that, yeah, this made
<v Speaker 1>me believe in Jesus, but like it strengthened the case
<v Speaker 1>for it, you know, because it's like, wow, well, if
<v Speaker 1>this exists, why wouldn't this exist, Why wouldn't other things exist?
<v Speaker 1>Why how far fetched would it really be? You know,
<v Speaker 1>And so that you give me a new perspective. That's
<v Speaker 1>why I say it changed my life, because you know,
<v Speaker 1>it gave me new perspectives about things that people don't believe,
<v Speaker 1>you know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we live in crazy times, man, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty six, this morning, I was looking at pictures
<v Speaker 2>of UFOs on a government website.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll tell you people that did believe me. Family,
<v Speaker 1>I never knew that they believed in it.
<v Speaker 2>To who believed you?
<v Speaker 1>My grandma did, yeah, And it took me a while
<v Speaker 1>to tell her because, like, you know, because back then
<v Speaker 1>my grandma was like she's old school, you know, and
<v Speaker 1>like grew up during the Depression and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 1>You know, the you know the stories where it's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>we got a pair of shoes for Christmas, and we
<v Speaker 1>didn't get another pair for her until next Christmas.
<v Speaker 2>You know, that the left one for Christmas and the
<v Speaker 2>right one for my birthday.
<v Speaker 1>Right, And like, I mean, so that's how old school
<v Speaker 1>she was, you know, and grew up in the country,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like her dad was was a rancher, farmer
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Was one of those bright boats,
<v Speaker 1>you know. And uh, she believes me, but she didn't
<v Speaker 1>when I said bigfoot, she didn't know what that meant.
<v Speaker 1>And then when I started describing what was going on,
<v Speaker 1>that's when she locked in and was like, oh, that
<v Speaker 1>thing used to follow my dad around. Daddy used to
<v Speaker 1>take our leftovers and take him away out there in
<v Speaker 1>the woods to keep those things from coming up to
<v Speaker 1>the house. Oh wow. I'm like, shit, are you serious?
<v Speaker 1>And she would tell tell me stuff like that, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wow, that's you know.
<v Speaker 2>And this was your grandma and you and I are
<v Speaker 2>both grandma boys, you know, yeah, pretty much raised by
<v Speaker 2>our grandma's And I mean, she's not gonna lie to you.
<v Speaker 1>No, I would never think Grandma would lie to me
<v Speaker 1>about it. I mean, she never said she saw one herself,
<v Speaker 1>but like her dad did, and her dad knew about them,
<v Speaker 1>and his instinct was to protect his family. The way
<v Speaker 1>she kind of made it sound was like since he
<v Speaker 1>fed them, and this is all like pre depression. You know,
<v Speaker 1>she's a little girl, you know, she was born in
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirteen, so you know, I don't think that he
<v Speaker 1>was wasted food on the big foots. Yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 1>during the depression. But like I think they followed him
<v Speaker 1>because they knew that was an easy food source. And
<v Speaker 1>the way they I mean, Grandma came from a big family,
<v Speaker 1>so they're cooking for an army. Her mom's cooking for
<v Speaker 1>an army every day, you know, like lots of food.
<v Speaker 1>And they didn't, you know, really do leftovers because you know,
<v Speaker 1>her dad would leave them for the bigfoots, you know.
<v Speaker 1>So now if other animals got into that, probably so too,
<v Speaker 1>you know. But she said she clearly said it was
<v Speaker 1>to keep them from coming up to the house, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and stealing their chickens and all that stuff, which you know,
<v Speaker 1>from what I've read, that's kind of a common occurrence
<v Speaker 1>for for those for those things. You know, people report
<v Speaker 1>that all the time, like you know, well it takes
<v Speaker 1>my chickens, or check my hog or you know whatever.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he noticed that too. It's like, well, damn, I
<v Speaker 1>don't want to lose any chickens, you know, like get back,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like let me just fix this up so
<v Speaker 1>you guys will leave us alone. You know, I was
<v Speaker 1>gonna say.
<v Speaker 2>Recently, I went out to my uncle's house and he
<v Speaker 2>was telling me the story again about my great great
<v Speaker 2>grandmother who saw one take one of her hogs out
<v Speaker 2>of the pen in front of their cabin.
<v Speaker 1>And this was.
<v Speaker 2>Man maybe even late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, I'm
<v Speaker 2>not sure of the exact time. My great grandmother was
<v Speaker 2>born in nineteen eighteen and this was before she was born,
<v Speaker 2>so around that timeframe. And you know, my great great
<v Speaker 2>grandmother was still alive, as crazy as this will sound,
<v Speaker 2>whenever I was born. She passed away whenever I was
<v Speaker 2>like around one one and a half. But you know,
<v Speaker 2>my uncles and all them were around her a lot,
<v Speaker 2>and she would tell them stories and everything. And one
<v Speaker 2>of the stories that she told him was about this
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot stealing her hog, and that my great great grandfather
<v Speaker 2>was out there shooting at it as it walked away. Now,
<v Speaker 2>the first time he told me this story, he kind
<v Speaker 2>of got me off to the side during Thanksgiving and
<v Speaker 2>told me and you know, kept his voice down, looking
<v Speaker 2>down the hallway, making sure nobody's coming. But the second
<v Speaker 2>time around that he told the story, he told her
<v Speaker 2>right there in front of everybody, and everybody was just
<v Speaker 2>like standing there like holy crap. So I don't know, man,
<v Speaker 2>I tend to believe that the interactions that people had
<v Speaker 2>with Bigfoot back in the day, there's we're a lot
<v Speaker 2>more numerous than we realize. And I think with people
<v Speaker 2>living out in the woods and in the country and
<v Speaker 2>everything in rural areas where they're growing and raising their
<v Speaker 2>own food supply and everything. Uh yeah, I'm sure there
<v Speaker 2>is a lot of that sort of thing going on
<v Speaker 2>that we we just don't even realize, and it just
<v Speaker 2>you know, didn't get talked about, probably for the same
<v Speaker 2>reasons we don't talk about it.
<v Speaker 1>Now, right, right, you know, nowadays people are more you know, oh,
<v Speaker 1>I want to know more about it, and I want
<v Speaker 1>to go out there and look for it, and I
<v Speaker 1>want to blah blah blah, you know, what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>I think those people back then were looking at from
<v Speaker 1>a survival standpoint, you know, not just physically to survive
<v Speaker 1>that thing. But yeah, like I said, they didn't talk
<v Speaker 1>about it because who the hell's going to believe them?
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's something that actually kind of, I want to say,
<v Speaker 2>cracks me up, but you know, it's really not a
<v Speaker 2>humor thing. But you do have the bigfoot research world
<v Speaker 2>that I was a very active participant in for a
<v Speaker 2>long time, where you know, there's all these great debates
<v Speaker 2>and oh they're all being scientific and everything, and everybody's
<v Speaker 2>going out there and like, oh, well, you know, we
<v Speaker 2>need to go out here on this night because the
<v Speaker 2>moon's going to be this, and the weather's going to
<v Speaker 2>be that, and I'm going to take this equipment with
<v Speaker 2>me and document everything. That's all fine and dandy, But
<v Speaker 2>at the heart of it, if you go out there
<v Speaker 2>and you actually see one that's, for lack of better term,
<v Speaker 2>a spiritual event, I mean, it's crazy. It's there's no
<v Speaker 2>documenting that science is right out the window.
<v Speaker 1>Like it.
<v Speaker 2>It's a life changing, impactful moment that you're going to
<v Speaker 2>have if you're fortunate or unfortunate enough to actually have
<v Speaker 2>that encounter.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's you know, I don't know if other people
<v Speaker 1>are like this, but to me, it was such a
<v Speaker 1>mind bender that I often questioned myself after that, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like did I really see that? Did I did? It
<v Speaker 1>was a figure of my magic? Then I'm like, no,
<v Speaker 1>hell no, no, I know what I saw, and those
<v Speaker 1>things aren't supposed to be real, you know what I mean, Like,
<v Speaker 1>there's not you know, and I don't. I don't know, man,
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that. And you know this about me,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not big on the research of it all. I
<v Speaker 1>think people should leave it alone. I think they should
<v Speaker 1>let it be because still I still don't know what
<v Speaker 1>it's capable of, you know. I mean I want to
<v Speaker 1>stick around to find out. I didn't want to get
<v Speaker 1>that close to it. Maybe it won't hurt anybody, but
<v Speaker 1>I've heard I've read things online about it, you know,
<v Speaker 1>people's encounters, and they say they sound so crazy, because
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, so bigfit did this with you? Like, no,
<v Speaker 1>you have to think if that thing is a species
<v Speaker 1>of animal or mammal or whatever it is, it's got
<v Speaker 1>the same instincts that we have, you know, survival, eliminate
<v Speaker 1>the threats, get away from a threat, you know, like,
<v Speaker 1>who knows, maybe those things were just as afraid of
<v Speaker 1>us as we are of them, you know, like or
<v Speaker 1>I was of them, Like, you know, it's possible to
<v Speaker 1>think that.
<v Speaker 2>And then if it's not something animal or mammal, if
<v Speaker 2>it's something unnatural, and what the hell are you doing?
<v Speaker 2>Like you don't you don't know anything about it at
<v Speaker 2>that point.
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't see what the value would be and
<v Speaker 1>researching it and let's get a body and let's cut
<v Speaker 1>it up and find out. I don't see the value
<v Speaker 1>in that. What is that going to do? They don't
<v Speaker 1>look human, they have human some human characteristics. The one
<v Speaker 1>I saw was bipedal. It stood, it stood up, you know,
<v Speaker 1>it had it was on two feet, but on the
<v Speaker 1>ground it was on all fours. It had to have
<v Speaker 1>been on all fours. So we don't know does it
<v Speaker 1>walk around, you know, bipedal or does it walk on
<v Speaker 1>all four feet? We don't know that shit. I don't
<v Speaker 1>see the value in researching it like to that capacity.
<v Speaker 2>Obviously we've been over it a thousand times since it happened.
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that we never really mentioned
<v Speaker 2>publicly whenever you first saw it, the eye shine was
<v Speaker 2>all the way at the ground.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was like a pair of eyes.
<v Speaker 2>And then you talked about how it just moved extremely fast,
<v Speaker 2>that like you didn't even really see it move and
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of popped up on the ground by
<v Speaker 2>another tree.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, like it was uh when it moved, it
<v Speaker 1>was so quick that like the only thing I could
<v Speaker 1>think that would move that fast would be like something
<v Speaker 1>on four legs. Yeah, right, And so when it popped
<v Speaker 1>back up, it was still on the ground and it's
<v Speaker 1>just sitting there and I'm shining the light on it,
<v Speaker 1>and it's not moving. But all I could see was
<v Speaker 1>just that the eyes, you know, I couldn't see anything else.
<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, the eyes just disappeared.
<v Speaker 1>And that's whenever I just like, well, let's see. And
<v Speaker 1>that's when it showed up. And then it moved so quickly,
<v Speaker 1>like gripping that tree, like it made that posturing movement,
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, like it's going to come after you.
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what scared the shit out of me, I guess,
<v Speaker 1>because you know, I didn't know if that thing was
<v Speaker 1>going to advance at me, and you know, just seeing
<v Speaker 1>it before knowing it moved that quickly. Could it be
<v Speaker 1>up in my face within a few seconds. Who knows,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know, And so that I think
<v Speaker 1>that's probably what probably really scared me the most of it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, whenever you describe it, whenever you first saw
<v Speaker 2>it that close to the ground. Uh, you know, people
<v Speaker 2>talk about spider crawling. It's something that we talked about
<v Speaker 2>on the old podcast years ago, and now you hear
<v Speaker 2>it pop up every now and then.
<v Speaker 1>We're these things.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, spider crawling is kind of a lame term
<v Speaker 2>for it, I believe.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean we originally described it as like if you're
<v Speaker 2>trying to picture a bipedal thing. We compared it to
<v Speaker 2>spider Man. That's where it came from, you know, being
<v Speaker 2>down on all fours, but having your body flat almost
<v Speaker 2>touching the ground. Not in a upright raised posture, being
<v Speaker 2>on all fours, but kind of like a prone position
<v Speaker 2>with your arms and legs kind of stretched out, holding
<v Speaker 2>yourself up. And apparently people have witnessed them doing this
<v Speaker 2>and turning on a dime and moving very quickly in
<v Speaker 2>that position. So I kind of wonder if that's what
<v Speaker 2>it was doing. Whenever you first saw it, but then
<v Speaker 2>you know, not to go down that rabbit hole or anything.
<v Speaker 2>But whenever you talk about that first time where it's
<v Speaker 2>like standing up and you're hitting it with the light,
<v Speaker 2>I mean you did have it in a spotlight beam
<v Speaker 2>and you're just seeing its eyes. I mean, could it
<v Speaker 2>have been cloaking or something.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I don't think so.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it was just like camouflage with its environment?
<v Speaker 1>That's yeah. If I was the guess, that would probably
<v Speaker 1>be what I would think, you know. But like whenever
<v Speaker 1>I when it stood up, you know, that's when I
<v Speaker 1>got more of a glimpse of it, you know, because
<v Speaker 1>it was out there, like where it was like full body,
<v Speaker 1>you can see it, you know what I mean, my
<v Speaker 1>light where I hit it at, you know, that's where
<v Speaker 1>I could see the whole thing. But when it's sitting down, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>all I could see it was just that eye shine.
<v Speaker 1>But I wasn't really looking. I don't know how I wouldn't.
<v Speaker 1>I would have missed the head unless it was underneath
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe some leaves or something. I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I never really thought about that, to be
<v Speaker 1>honest with you. Cloaking Now, I wouldn't believe that. I
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say that. I don't think it could do that
<v Speaker 1>to me. I don't know. I just don't think you
<v Speaker 1>could do that. But it did move incredibly fast on
<v Speaker 1>the ground. That's why I thought it was like a
<v Speaker 1>fox or something, you know, because maybe those things could
<v Speaker 1>move that quick. But and then now thinking about it,
<v Speaker 1>it would had to have moved to the side, its side,
<v Speaker 1>you know, it wouldn't have turned. Yeah, but then again,
<v Speaker 1>it was dark, and everything's happening so quickly, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>just focused on the eyes. That was like the the
<v Speaker 1>main focal point for me. You know. Yeah, it's just wow,
<v Speaker 1>that's that's crazy thinking about how fast it moved.
<v Speaker 2>It's been close to twenty four years ago. Yeah, fallish,
<v Speaker 2>early fall two thousand and two. I believe it's when
<v Speaker 2>that conference happens. It's still the Craig wool Heater is
<v Speaker 2>still hosting the Jefferson Bigfoot Conference yearly. I believe they
<v Speaker 2>have it in early October.
<v Speaker 1>Well that's the name I'd heard in a long time. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that cool.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, man, almost we're you know, rapidly approaching the
<v Speaker 2>twenty five year mark of that incident. It's pretty crazy
<v Speaker 2>to think about. If anybody wants to go check it
<v Speaker 2>out for themselves.
<v Speaker 1>Feel free.
<v Speaker 2>Just blow the damn Lake of the Pines, Texas outside
<v Speaker 2>of Jefferson. There you go, that's where it happened.
<v Speaker 1>I will sell them tickets to it, and I'll have
<v Speaker 1>a big sign of this as interact your on risk.
<v Speaker 1>But I tell you, man, it's all fun and games
<v Speaker 1>at this point. Now I can laugh about it, you know,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm I'm not going back out, so I don't
<v Speaker 1>even go camping anymore, you know. And I've got a dog, her,
<v Speaker 1>and she's getting to the age where, you know, I've
<v Speaker 1>got to introduce camping to her at some point, you know.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm thinking like really low speed camping, you know
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. I don't want to go anywhere out
<v Speaker 1>because I just I don't. I don't want to encounter
<v Speaker 1>that thing again. I don't want to see it again.
<v Speaker 1>I don't seeing it. It's like been there, done that,
<v Speaker 1>don't want to see it again. It's not you know.
<v Speaker 1>And I may hold a different like view than a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people, you know, especially bigfooters that actually go
<v Speaker 1>out and research and stuff like that, you know. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I could count on two hands. How many times I
<v Speaker 1>went out and did be a big foot research, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and slept a million cigarettes doing it, you know. But like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I don't have any any any desire to go look
<v Speaker 1>out except I think you just should leave it alone,
<v Speaker 1>let it be. And I wonder I've often wondered though,
<v Speaker 1>like do you think the government knows about this thing?
<v Speaker 1>Like do you think they've caught one? That's always been
<v Speaker 1>I guess a question I've always had, you know, you know,
<v Speaker 1>but when you hear stories online what people think about that,
<v Speaker 1>it's always this drawn out government shit and they lose
<v Speaker 1>me on it. But like, what's your personal thoughts do
<v Speaker 1>you think, like there's the government knows about this thing.
<v Speaker 2>I think they absolutely know about it, but I don't
<v Speaker 2>know that they necessarily care about it. I think the
<v Speaker 2>government is very much self interest based. If there's a
<v Speaker 2>way for them to weaponize this thing or make money
<v Speaker 2>off of it somehow, then they would be interested in it.
<v Speaker 2>Otherwise I just don't think they would devote any resources
<v Speaker 2>to it. Maybe they captured one at some point and
<v Speaker 2>studied it, or captured several of them and studied them.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they got some locked up in a facility, somewhere
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. What I do know is multiple government
<v Speaker 2>people on all kinds of different levels, from military personnel
<v Speaker 2>to people that just work for the federal government, people
<v Speaker 2>that work for state agencies, you know, park rangers, soldiers,
<v Speaker 2>you name it, have all had sightings and reported those
<v Speaker 2>sidings and they didn't get fired for it or anything.
<v Speaker 2>They're just told not to talk about it. So on
<v Speaker 2>that level, yes, the government absolutely knows about them because
<v Speaker 2>their own has reported sightings and turned in actual written reports.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's crazy. I mean I could believe it.
<v Speaker 1>I could believe that. I mean I did a short
<v Speaker 1>stint in the Army at a top secret clearance at
<v Speaker 1>one point, you know, but like it's nothing, you know,
<v Speaker 1>Like it just means I can I trust, I can
<v Speaker 1>be trusted with documents, Yeah, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 1>Like you're not getting looking at them and stuff, and
<v Speaker 1>most Army people just they like party, that's really all. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>There's been like a few things over the years, like
<v Speaker 2>the Army Corps of Engineers released a thing back in
<v Speaker 2>the day that had bigfoot in it that was part
<v Speaker 2>of their wilderness survival training information that hey, these things
<v Speaker 2>live out there in the woods. If you encounter one,
<v Speaker 2>you know, just avoid them, don't try to interact with them.
<v Speaker 2>And then there's a few hunting regulations you know, put
<v Speaker 2>out by the government that list bigfoot type creatures in
<v Speaker 2>the hunting regulations basically again not to hunt them, you know,
<v Speaker 2>don't shoot one if you see one, and a few
<v Speaker 2>places have done things just to put them on the books, and.
<v Speaker 1>It's just something like they have to like okay, like
<v Speaker 1>you know, even though we know zombies don't really freaking exist,
<v Speaker 1>the government does have a zombie like you know, action
<v Speaker 1>plan or whatever in case the event happens. So to me,
<v Speaker 1>it seems very tongue in cheek. But yeah, yeah, I agree,
<v Speaker 1>But honest I wonder some of that's because like that too.
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, I think a lot of it is.
<v Speaker 2>But like I said, there's a few things out there
<v Speaker 2>that do seem serious and legit, even though these things
<v Speaker 2>have not been proven or uh scientifically documented or accepted.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, you know, there was a video I saw on
<v Speaker 1>YouTube years ago, and I think you were I think
<v Speaker 1>you're the one showed it to me. So when I
<v Speaker 1>saw that video, I was like, that's legit, because the
<v Speaker 1>majority of those videos you see online like, oh you
<v Speaker 1>saw Bigfoot? You know our bullshit, but that one I
<v Speaker 1>can't hear who it was from, but uh, that was legit,
<v Speaker 1>like because everything in it was you know, it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>exactly what I saw, but it was had the same
<v Speaker 1>characteristics you know of like what an accounter would look like.
<v Speaker 1>And uh, do you know what I'm talking about, Like
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think the guys that guy's video, Uh
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about Robert Dotson. Robert Dotsa Okay, I thought
<v Speaker 1>was Ray Dotson.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the one that plays peek a boo.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that that legit. That's a legit video in my opinion.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Dotson. Dotson was a just a guy, I would say,
<v Speaker 2>a researcher. I mean, sure you could call him a researcher.
<v Speaker 2>He was actually from northern Texas and had an area
<v Speaker 2>that he went to by himself all the time and
<v Speaker 2>took video and documented it all. And then the area
<v Speaker 2>got flooded, and after it got unflooded, Uh, the Bigfoot
<v Speaker 2>didn't come back to the area, and ultimately he relocated
<v Speaker 2>to southeastern Oklahoma, which we're all familiar with, and got
<v Speaker 2>some funding from some folks and uh got some interesting
<v Speaker 2>things in Oklahoma as well. I have personal feelings about it.
<v Speaker 2>I think possibly someone was taking advantage of him and
<v Speaker 2>manipulating him to try and make money off of him,
<v Speaker 2>because he was, you know, growing a YouTube following eventually.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't say that to discredit any of the
<v Speaker 2>stuff he got on video.
<v Speaker 1>I do think he got.
<v Speaker 2>Several things that I personally believe are one and definitely bigfoot.
<v Speaker 2>He actually passed away years ago. The people that had
<v Speaker 2>hooked up with him, I think have some of his
<v Speaker 2>videos posted online. The majority of them are gone. I've
<v Speaker 2>tried to share a couple of his videos that I've
<v Speaker 2>dug up and they were instantly blocked with copyrights, Like
<v Speaker 2>I'm not allowed to post them, so they don't get posted.
<v Speaker 1>What's up for them? You know? I mean, because you
<v Speaker 1>know your channel as a as a big fought. I
<v Speaker 1>was looking at it before we need to ask me
<v Speaker 1>to do this. I was looking at your channel. He's
<v Speaker 1>got a pretty big following there, you know. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>so there's people out there that's interested in this thing.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not, but I think it's it's worth noting,
<v Speaker 1>you know, whenever people do have some legit footage you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's good to know who they are because you know that.
<v Speaker 1>And that's another thing. You know, just think of things
<v Speaker 1>I've read about bigfoot researchers and stuff. A lot of
<v Speaker 1>the people can get manipulated by others, you know, for
<v Speaker 1>personal gain, and it really sucks because I think that
<v Speaker 1>that really just throws a you know, it's kind of
<v Speaker 1>like a turk bowl, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nowadays, whenever content is king and everybody's making money
<v Speaker 2>off content, I mean, it's really muddy the waters and
<v Speaker 2>kind of screwed things up for people that you know,
<v Speaker 2>may not know any better, or even people that think
<v Speaker 2>they do know better looking in on this thing trying
<v Speaker 2>to get some answers or trying to see something and
<v Speaker 2>there's just a whole lot of bullshit out there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that sucks, but yeah, whatever, They've always been part
<v Speaker 1>of the game from what I understand, because do you
<v Speaker 1>think when I was in college, I wrote a paper
<v Speaker 1>in one of my comp classes about a big but
<v Speaker 1>not my experience, but about like that's where I got
<v Speaker 1>the name Ray from Ray Wallace. Ray Wallace and the hoaxer,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and uh, you know, it's big business, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, or it can be you know for some people,
<v Speaker 1>I guess, but you know, I've always hated that part
<v Speaker 1>of it, you know, just you know, because this is,
<v Speaker 1>this is a real thing, like I can't stress. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>nobody has to believe me, you know, take my story
<v Speaker 1>for what you want to take it for whatever. You know.
<v Speaker 1>I have to believe me. But I don't go out
<v Speaker 1>looking for it anymore, you know, I don't go out there.
<v Speaker 1>I don't, you know, I like said, I don't want
<v Speaker 1>to go camping. Half the time. I'm good my bubble
<v Speaker 1>in the city. I don't want to move to the country.
<v Speaker 1>I don't want nothing to do with you know. That's
<v Speaker 1>you know, being out in a remote part of the world,
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I just to the day. I still
<v Speaker 1>don't know what they are actually capable of, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't want somebody coming into my territory fucking with me,
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So maybe they think like that,
<v Speaker 1>maybe they don't. I don't know, but I do know
<v Speaker 1>that they're real, and it's a pretty fascinating thing, you know,
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, you know, it's like a spiritual experience.
<v Speaker 1>You know. Not everybody's gonna get that experience, and uh,
<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty cool thing. Wants you after the fact.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I baited whether to tell Maya my kid
<v Speaker 1>about it or not, you know, when they get older.
<v Speaker 1>I'm just at this point, I'm sorry. I just you
<v Speaker 1>got me thinking about this stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Like, so, I appreciate you coming on here and telling
<v Speaker 2>the story once again and kind of unpacking it here
<v Speaker 2>twenty four years later. We'll have to hook up in
<v Speaker 2>another twenty four But yeah, man, crazy experience. I will
<v Speaker 2>say this though. I'm glad I got to share it
<v Speaker 2>with you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it was a bonding moment, wasn't it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>And like you know, everybody, you know, all of our
<v Speaker 1>other friends, you know, we grew up with and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>I hate it that they don't believe us. I can
<v Speaker 1>corroborate your story. Yeah, if you need me to vouch,
<v Speaker 1>I've got you, brother, because you know, because yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>didn't believe you. Now I do. And it's like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I think that's pretty cool. I'm glad we got to
<v Speaker 1>share that. You know. You know, it's scared the living
<v Speaker 1>daylights out of me, but yeah, it's still worth it.
<v Speaker 2>So well, I've got your attention. I wanted to talk
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about YouTube. The show's been posted on
<v Speaker 2>YouTube for years. I actually started out on YouTube before
<v Speaker 2>I had a podcast. And recently there is a mass
<v Speaker 2>demonetization thing going on where lots of podcasts are getting
<v Speaker 2>demonetized for seemingly no reason. They haven't broken any rules,
<v Speaker 2>they haven't done anything different than they've been doing. But
<v Speaker 2>YouTube is cracking down on certain things and a lot
<v Speaker 2>of people are getting caught up with that net being cast.
<v Speaker 2>And one of those people is my good friend Dixie Cryptid,
<v Speaker 2>who has an amazed YouTube channel. If you listen to
<v Speaker 2>this show, there's a good chance you listen to him
<v Speaker 2>as well. So with him being demonetized, he's moving all
<v Speaker 2>of his stuff over to a podcast which he already had,
<v Speaker 2>the what If It's True? Podcast. So if you get
<v Speaker 2>a chance, show him a little bit of support, show
<v Speaker 2>him a little bit of love. Go check him out
<v Speaker 2>on Spreaker or Spotify or Apple or wherever you find
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot Crossroads, you can find Dixie Krypton and what if
<v Speaker 2>It's True. Leave him a comment, let him know I
<v Speaker 2>sent you, and I wish him the best. I've got
<v Speaker 2>several friends. Tenfoil tell Us has also gotten caught up.
<v Speaker 2>Brandon's been on the show several times. Lots of people
<v Speaker 2>are going through a hard time right now with this.
<v Speaker 2>Fortunately I am still safe. Who knows how long that
<v Speaker 2>will last, but for now we're okay. But I appreciate
<v Speaker 2>everybody for listening. I've and sick lately, haven't been able
<v Speaker 2>to record, haven't been able to put out a show.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm back now.
<v Speaker 2>Thanks again to my good friend Roddy for coming on
<v Speaker 2>and kind of beling me out and going down memory
<v Speaker 2>lane for a bit. And as always, if you've had
<v Speaker 2>your own encounter with Bigfoot or something else, you can
<v Speaker 2>explain and you'd like to share that story on Bigfoot Crossroads,
<v Speaker 2>email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check
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<v Speaker 2>in one place. And until next time, remember there's something
<v Speaker 2>in the woods.