"M" (1931) vs. "Psycho (1960) vs. "The Silence of the Lambs (1991)

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<v Speaker 2>the brilliant company of men that make up the thirty
<v Speaker 2>something Movie Podcast. We have John, Pat, Jeff and Dennis
<v Speaker 2>joining us for this incredible mega episode where we're going
<v Speaker 2>to talk about Silence of the Lambs that was thirty
<v Speaker 2>years ago, Psycho that was sixty years ago, and m
<v Speaker 2>which was ninety years ago, all serial killer movies and
<v Speaker 2>we are going to cut their guts out and string
<v Speaker 2>them up and see what we think.
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<v Speaker 2>different than we did last time. Let me give you
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of trivia. See who can jump in?
<v Speaker 2>Who can give me the answers here? All right? What
<v Speaker 2>is a horror movie that was originally titled The Babysitter Murders.
<v Speaker 2>Before we get going, I just have to say I
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<v Speaker 1>Whack it.
<v Speaker 2>I got an answer, Jason's you get anybody else? Anybody
<v Speaker 2>want to venture a guest? Yeah? What you paid? Dennis?
<v Speaker 2>I don't.
<v Speaker 5>I would think nightmare on ELM Street, but.
<v Speaker 2>Close, close, Nope, not a nightmare on Elm Street. Who
<v Speaker 2>else's got one? Nobody? John Johnson, he's got a hesitant hand.
<v Speaker 3>John, I'm gonna say Halloween.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the answer to that. Halloween was supposed to
<v Speaker 2>be the Babysitter murders. All right? Add on question, whose
<v Speaker 2>mask was involved? Yeah, it's too easy, shout it out
<v Speaker 2>if you know it. Shatner, William Shatner's face turned inside
<v Speaker 2>out and spray painted and all kinds of weird stuff.
<v Speaker 2>All right. Now, final on this particular brand of questions,
<v Speaker 2>how does that movie relate to one of the three
<v Speaker 2>movies that we're talking about tonight?
<v Speaker 4>As the least qualified person to answer this, does it
<v Speaker 4>relate that? Like they put someone's face on in that
<v Speaker 4>movie and in well, I want to be careful. We've
<v Speaker 4>already said spoiled and you're shaking your head, so I'm
<v Speaker 4>not going down the right way.
<v Speaker 2>Right. Just remember that a lot of these movies are
<v Speaker 2>about guys who had mommy issues.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, all.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Jason's got his hand up. What you got, Jason?
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that Michael Myers killed his parents.
<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's true. But what does that have to
<v Speaker 2>do with any of the movies.
<v Speaker 1>Or once we're talking with Norman Bates killed his mother?
<v Speaker 1>Who else did he kill his mother's lover? And who
<v Speaker 1>else did he kill? The most important scene in the
<v Speaker 1>whole freaking movie?
<v Speaker 2>Who did he kill?
<v Speaker 1>A traveler who came to the hotel.
<v Speaker 2>Who was played by Jimi Jamie Curtis was the brother
<v Speaker 2>of Jamie Lee Curtis, who was in her Dave You
<v Speaker 2>in Halloween.
<v Speaker 1>Wow.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was ready for that.
<v Speaker 5>Good one, good one.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we have I don't think we have
<v Speaker 2>any level eleven horror movie.
<v Speaker 4>Fans here, like I'm definitely not. But I'm just glad
<v Speaker 4>that he'd killed Jamie Lee Curtis's mom after Jamie Lee
<v Speaker 4>Curtis was born, because otherwise we wouldn't have true lies.
<v Speaker 4>So I'm just saying that's that's just good news to
<v Speaker 4>love true lives.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, and trading places. Yeah, I will tell you guys
<v Speaker 2>that Janet Lee was also with Jamie Lee Curtis in
<v Speaker 2>h two, Oh the Halloween. Like later on.
<v Speaker 1>Sequel, they both have killer mods too, killer Box.
<v Speaker 2>They do both have killer killer bods.
<v Speaker 5>I think the tape was worn out and uh, okay,
<v Speaker 5>So let me ask you guys a question.
<v Speaker 2>Who likes scary movies? Among you? I got Jason raising
<v Speaker 2>his hand, I got John raising his hand. I got
<v Speaker 2>a so so away from Jeff. You out on the
<v Speaker 2>scary movies.
<v Speaker 4>I don't do scary movies, but I've really dug these
<v Speaker 4>three movies.
<v Speaker 2>So okay.
<v Speaker 6>I like psychological movies.
<v Speaker 2>And Dennis still has his hand up high.
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so smart scary movies, yes, smart scary movies that
<v Speaker 5>slash or killer, psychle crazy stuff.
<v Speaker 6>I like a good, good psychological thriller. That's where I matt.
<v Speaker 6>But like you know, blood and guts and all that,
<v Speaker 6>like that doesn't do anything for me.
<v Speaker 2>So I wondered about this because I really I don't
<v Speaker 2>have much of a desire to be scared. I do
<v Speaker 2>like the thinking aspect of these movies. I don't really
<v Speaker 2>care to just be scared. I don't enjoy it, but
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of people who do. There's
<v Speaker 2>like this safety of your in a movie theater, and
<v Speaker 2>you know the danger that you are getting the rush
<v Speaker 2>of fight or flight chemicals from. But it turns out
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people like to be scared. And Alfred
<v Speaker 2>Hitchcock has an incredible quote on this.
<v Speaker 6>I want to hear, I want to hear el.
<v Speaker 2>I like him. He makes me laugh. No, Albert Dischcock
<v Speaker 2>has an incredible quote on this. He says, everybody likes
<v Speaker 2>to be scared. Even babies like to be scared. That's
<v Speaker 2>why the first thing you say to them is.
<v Speaker 4>Boo good quote.
<v Speaker 2>All right, so we're gonna talk about scary movies tonight.
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give you guys a quick history. So
<v Speaker 2>in eighteen ninety six, George Malaise was filming on a
<v Speaker 2>pair of street It was one of those hand crank
<v Speaker 2>kind of cameras, and he got jammed on him and
<v Speaker 2>he finally got it working again. He started cranking it
<v Speaker 2>again and he had taken a film that changed into
<v Speaker 2>a completely different film on the second part. And what
<v Speaker 2>the result was was this image that children who had
<v Speaker 2>been playing some changed into horses, men changed into women,
<v Speaker 2>and the most spooky part, a bus full of workers
<v Speaker 2>turned into a hearse. And this spooky little trick became
<v Speaker 2>Trick Films, which was the first of special effects films
<v Speaker 2>that we had, which of course immediately led into horror film,
<v Speaker 2>the first of which was House of the Devil. Then
<v Speaker 2>we have in nineteen ten, the first version of Frankenstein
<v Speaker 2>comes out from the Edison Studios of Thomas Edison, and
<v Speaker 2>it's a total flop. It's a sixteen minute thing that
<v Speaker 2>really doesn't relate to Frankenstein at all. But every reviewer says,
<v Speaker 2>this type of movie is something not for the general public.
<v Speaker 2>This is something that coroners and undertakers and gravediggers and
<v Speaker 2>morgue keepers would find enjoyable, but not the general public.
<v Speaker 2>And so nothing happens till until about nineteen twenty five
<v Speaker 2>when we get mister lon Cheney in this movie called
<v Speaker 2>The Phantom of the Opera and he does more special
<v Speaker 2>effects of his own where he changes his face, and
<v Speaker 2>you have one of the most dramatic scenes in silent
<v Speaker 2>films when she rips the mask off the Phantom of
<v Speaker 2>the Opera and he has that ghastly, toothy, sharp faced grin,
<v Speaker 2>looks like the girl on Fright Night maybe. And then
<v Speaker 2>nothing happened for about six years until we get in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty one m Dracula Frankenstein about the ninth installment
<v Speaker 2>of Doctor Jekylne mister Hyde. But it was the best,
<v Speaker 2>so the other other movies that came out in thirty
<v Speaker 2>one included three from this young director named Alfred Hitchcock.
<v Speaker 2>So em was released in Germany May of nineteen thirty one.
<v Speaker 2>It didn't show up in the US for another couple
<v Speaker 2>of years March of nineteen thirty three, which is about
<v Speaker 2>the time that Fritz Lang said I got to get
<v Speaker 2>out of this country or they're going to kill me. Awesome,
<v Speaker 2>all right, keep on keep on going, keep on going.
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell that. I'll tell that story later.
<v Speaker 3>All right. I think there's some controversy about didn't he
<v Speaker 3>kind of tell a story about how he escaped from Germany?
<v Speaker 3>And there's some controversy about how much of it is true. Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell the story. Now, tell a story, man.
<v Speaker 2>So the story is he's directed this second like basically
<v Speaker 2>second took part to a movie that he had done
<v Speaker 2>before that involves like this psycho criminal and in the
<v Speaker 2>second part he is putting slogans of the Nazi Party
<v Speaker 2>in the mouth of the villainous psychopath. And so he's
<v Speaker 2>feeling pretty haughty at this point. And you know, the
<v Speaker 2>yellow Shirts at the time are saying, we're going to
<v Speaker 2>take this film from you, and you're not gonna be
<v Speaker 2>able to show it. And he's like, you want to
<v Speaker 2>take it, you go ahead and try to take it.
<v Speaker 2>So they take it, and then he gets an invitation
<v Speaker 2>from Joseph Goebbels. Yeah, yeah, Joseph Goebbels, who's you know,
<v Speaker 2>the Minister of Propaganda and Hitler's writing and man. And
<v Speaker 2>by invitation, I mean order to appear. And so he
<v Speaker 2>goes into this you know, creepy marble department that Joseph
<v Speaker 2>Goebbels has his office in. He's getting pretty nervous. He
<v Speaker 2>walks in and Joseph Goebbels is immediately friendly and shaking
<v Speaker 2>both of his hands and immediately starts telling him how
<v Speaker 2>much he loved Metropolis, which is Fritz Lang's you know,
<v Speaker 2>big movie from nineteen twenty seven, and how much Hitler
<v Speaker 2>loved that movie and how they've decided they want him
<v Speaker 2>to be their head guy for Nazi films. And he says,
<v Speaker 2>you know that like my mother, I converted to Catholicism,
<v Speaker 2>but she was Jewish, which you know makes me Jewish.
<v Speaker 2>And Goebel says, oh, sir, we decide who is Arian
<v Speaker 2>and who is not. And he's like, wow, okay, and
<v Speaker 2>so Goebels starts to give him advice on his films,
<v Speaker 2>and he keeps looking out of the window at this
<v Speaker 2>clock in the street, thinking, Okay, I've got a little
<v Speaker 2>bit of time before the bank's close. If I can
<v Speaker 2>just get to the bank after I'm done with this
<v Speaker 2>meeting and get all of my money, I can get
<v Speaker 2>out of the country. But Goebels keeps talking to him,
<v Speaker 2>he keeps looking at the clock. Goebels is like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>there's this part in your new movie where the villain
<v Speaker 2>takes over the body of somebody else. The movie should
<v Speaker 2>just end right there. And he's like, oh, yeah, you're
<v Speaker 2>totally right. That is exactly great idea. That is exactly
<v Speaker 2>how my movie should end. Keeps looking at the clock,
<v Speaker 2>almost keeps talking, and eventually time runs out and the
<v Speaker 2>banks are closed. So he goes back home. He has
<v Speaker 2>like five thousand dollars in cash at home and decides
<v Speaker 2>he's going to leave everything else. He goes to his
<v Speaker 2>door and sees that his building is surrounded by the
<v Speaker 2>Yellow Shirts. He's like, okay, they're going to keep me
<v Speaker 2>prisoner here. There's nothing I'm going to be able to do.
<v Speaker 2>He walks out the door, and realizes they're just involved
<v Speaker 2>in some military exercise. They don't care about him at all.
<v Speaker 2>He makes his way out of Germany and into Paris.
<v Speaker 2>That's the story that he tells. There is some doubt
<v Speaker 2>about whether that's all completely accurate, but it's a good story.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, no, kid, that's a that's a great story.
<v Speaker 1>John, did you read something on that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I had looked up with a different things. He
<v Speaker 3>ended up on the train and they were coming around
<v Speaker 3>and normally you'd have like a conductor or somebody come
<v Speaker 3>around and check your papers, your tickets, whatever, And I
<v Speaker 3>guess he's on the train, and according to his story,
<v Speaker 3>he's in one of the train cars and I don't
<v Speaker 3>know if there's a couch or a bed in there.
<v Speaker 3>And he hears them coming like door to door, and
<v Speaker 3>he's like, oh crap, they're gonna like, they're gonna come
<v Speaker 3>in here. They're gonna find me, they're gonna recognize me.
<v Speaker 3>And so then he's like, all right, well, I got
<v Speaker 3>to do what I, you know, tell my actors to do.
<v Speaker 3>I got to just start faking something. And so he
<v Speaker 3>just starts snoring really loudly. I think he lays down.
<v Speaker 3>He just starts snoring really loudly, and apparently that was
<v Speaker 3>enough to make the you know, yellow shirts think, ah,
<v Speaker 3>somebody's in there sleeping, let's go on to the next
<v Speaker 3>So apparently he pulled the Star Wars and somehow it
<v Speaker 3>was like, well, sorry, this door is locked. Don't feel
<v Speaker 3>like the next one.
<v Speaker 2>This is not the jew you're looking for.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I heard a story. I wanted to elaborate this,
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, well here's what I heard. Is when Gebbels
<v Speaker 1>was questioning him in the room, at one point he
<v Speaker 1>punched him in the face and he said, this is
<v Speaker 1>how we say goodbye and joy.
<v Speaker 2>And there was no Austrian girl.
<v Speaker 1>There was no Austrian girl to make out with him. Unfortunate.
<v Speaker 2>Well you tell I bought that hook client all the
<v Speaker 2>way down.
<v Speaker 3>And of course, yeah, Fritz Lang's response was, I like
<v Speaker 3>the Austrian papa.
<v Speaker 2>Me too. Yeah, okay. So Im came out in nineteen
<v Speaker 2>thirty one in Germany. It was directed by and written
<v Speaker 2>by Fritz Lang. Writing with him was his then wife
<v Speaker 2>at the time, Theo von Harbon. She later started having
<v Speaker 2>marital affairs with not him and then joined the Nazi Party,
<v Speaker 2>and that was enough for him to get a divorced
<v Speaker 2>and so yeah, Nazi, I mean Nazis infidelity is one thing.
<v Speaker 2>Nazi the big, whole, other, whole other thing.
<v Speaker 6>Man.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hate this guy.
<v Speaker 3>As long as those guys are the worst.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So the original title for this movie was Murderer
<v Speaker 2>among Us, and again this got them in trouble with
<v Speaker 2>the Nazis because they thought he was making a movie
<v Speaker 2>about Hitler. Hey, by the.
<v Speaker 1>Way, m is the shortest movie title of all time,
<v Speaker 1>but it ties with two other movies. Anybody know the
<v Speaker 1>answer to the question, what is the name of the
<v Speaker 1>other movies?
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go with Pie.
<v Speaker 1>That would be in critics, sir, Nope, all right, d
<v Speaker 1>what you got Okay?
<v Speaker 2>There is a movie called z Yep, and there's a
<v Speaker 2>movie called R you got It? But this is definitely
<v Speaker 2>the most famous one letter titled movie.
<v Speaker 3>Well, Pie is a movie PI. That's just the symbol pie,
<v Speaker 3>so that would be there too.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's infinity long. That's like the opposite of short.
<v Speaker 3>I guess that's true.
<v Speaker 5>I guess.
<v Speaker 3>Understanding there would be no math during the time.
<v Speaker 2>So in researching the movie, he spent eight days going
<v Speaker 2>to a mental institution for research. Mental Institution for the
<v Speaker 2>Criminally Insane, and there he met and an inmate named
<v Speaker 2>Peter Curtin. Who do you know who Peter Curtin is?
<v Speaker 6>Jane Curtin's grandfather.
<v Speaker 2>Love it nicely done?
<v Speaker 3>Amy Lee Curtis's great uncle.
<v Speaker 2>No so. Peter Curtin was known at the time as
<v Speaker 2>the Vampire of Dussel Dwarf. He had literally just been
<v Speaker 2>arrested within the year before Fritz lang Is going in
<v Speaker 2>there and talking to people. A lot of people claim
<v Speaker 2>that this movie is supposed to be based on him.
<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk later about ed Geen and how
<v Speaker 2>many of these movies and other movies have been based
<v Speaker 2>on what ed Gen did. Peter Curtin makes ed Geen
<v Speaker 2>look like mister Rogers like he has seriously some sick
<v Speaker 2>and twisted stuff that I won't go into. But now
<v Speaker 2>as a good a time as any if you're listening
<v Speaker 2>with your teenage kids. We're normally family friendly, but these
<v Speaker 2>movies are really really unpleasant subject matter and based on
<v Speaker 2>real stories that have even more unpleasant subject matter. May
<v Speaker 2>get a little graphic. We may want to do PG.
<v Speaker 2>Thirteen extra yeah right, yeah, four yes.
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to say real quick I made the mistake
<v Speaker 3>of going to the curtain Wikipedia page. Uh huh, and
<v Speaker 3>now I'm feeling like in Ghostbusters, I looked at the
<v Speaker 3>trap ray.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So without going into a great deal of detail,
<v Speaker 2>because I don't like this nasty stuff. Peter Curtin was
<v Speaker 2>mistreated as a youth by his parents severely. That later
<v Speaker 2>led on led him to murder other women and ultimately children,
<v Speaker 2>and at some point was excited by the blood and
<v Speaker 2>so drank some of the blood, which is how he
<v Speaker 2>got the name Vampire of Dussel Dwarf when they were Ultimately,
<v Speaker 2>when he was caught, it was because he had taken
<v Speaker 2>a potential victim to his house. She had convinced him
<v Speaker 2>to let them let her go, and he thought she
<v Speaker 2>would never find his house. Well she could find it.
<v Speaker 2>He sees her hanging out outside of his house. He
<v Speaker 2>knows he's done for He's murdered tons of people. So
<v Speaker 2>he goes to his wife and says, you need to
<v Speaker 2>tell them that you knew nothing, which she didn't, and
<v Speaker 2>you need to turn me in for the reward, which
<v Speaker 2>she did. So she got the reward for turning him in,
<v Speaker 2>even though he was really turning in himself. Obviously, he
<v Speaker 2>was in the mental institution for a time, but ultimately
<v Speaker 2>was convicted a trial. And back then they were still
<v Speaker 2>using the guillotine, and so as he's being walked to
<v Speaker 2>his death, he asked the executioner, after my head is
<v Speaker 2>cut off, will my ears still be able to hear
<v Speaker 2>the blood spurting out of my neck? Because that would
<v Speaker 2>be the ultimate ecstasy. That's how bad this guy is.
<v Speaker 2>So him is not so bad? Yeah? Reallyim you don't
<v Speaker 2>see any murders. You just get to imagine them as
<v Speaker 2>they occur. Jason, what do you got? Okay?
<v Speaker 1>Was this the first watch for you guys, for him?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for me to get here, yes, all the way through? Yes,
<v Speaker 3>I had seen some clips before, but all the way through.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I feel like I'm gonna blow your mind with
<v Speaker 1>this thing. If you guys are where I think you are, okay. So,
<v Speaker 1>Peter Lourie is the guy who plays the murderer, right,
<v Speaker 1>He's the bad guy. He was known mainly for his
<v Speaker 1>comedic roles, but he was in a lot of Bugs
<v Speaker 1>Bunny cartoons. Do you guys know you recognize him from
<v Speaker 1>Bugs Bunny cartoons? He played like the mad Scientists when
<v Speaker 1>they were chasing around Gossamer, the big orange monster monsters.
<v Speaker 1>There are such interesting people. Well that's dad just a minute.
<v Speaker 5>I have another little friend.
<v Speaker 1>Like me, But he's one of those guys that ran
<v Speaker 1>around with Humphrey Bogart and I remember one in one particular,
<v Speaker 1>Bugs Bunny.
<v Speaker 2>He said, he makes me laugh.
<v Speaker 5>Well, it's also I mainly knew him, and I think
<v Speaker 5>that's how I came across some clips on time looking
<v Speaker 5>and I think it was like maybe to see if
<v Speaker 5>you're still alive. I don't know whatever, but back in
<v Speaker 5>the day, I remember seeing you bet, but he was
<v Speaker 5>huge in all the Vincent Price I down on Poe movies.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, those Edgar Allen Poe movies were all done
<v Speaker 2>by Roger Corman. Uh, you know, the movie guy.
<v Speaker 1>And so Roger Corman has a has a role in
<v Speaker 1>Silence in the Lambs.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, he does. Yeah, Yeah, there's gonna be a
<v Speaker 2>lot of there's gonna be a Lodger. Roger Corman mentions,
<v Speaker 2>I got one. I'm ready to Are you ready to
<v Speaker 2>have your mind blown on this one? Jason? All right,
<v Speaker 2>let's go. Okay. He played the very first Bond villain
<v Speaker 2>La Chief in Casino Royale, the one that came out
<v Speaker 2>that was made for TV that had the American actor
<v Speaker 2>in it. He was the original, the chief, the original
<v Speaker 2>who Peter Lourie.
<v Speaker 1>What ah, that's good desires bleed Blood.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm sure he was good at poker though.
<v Speaker 1>No, it's baccarat.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, right, sorry.
<v Speaker 1>We came across this movie through it an Ozzy Osbourne
<v Speaker 1>album that we went through called No More Tears. We
<v Speaker 1>did this about a year ago or so. Mister Tinkertrain
<v Speaker 1>was the was the song, and the video pulled clips
<v Speaker 1>from this movie, and that's how we came across, right.
<v Speaker 2>So in the movie he used real criminals right throw
<v Speaker 2>back to beat it. And not only were they real criminals,
<v Speaker 2>they were real wanted criminals. There were literally twenty four
<v Speaker 2>of them arrested during the film running of the movie.
<v Speaker 1>Just round them all up at once, say got them
<v Speaker 1>all here, We're done filming.
<v Speaker 2>You can come get them.
<v Speaker 6>Now, round up the usual suspects.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>Fritz Lang was convinced to make this film after reading
<v Speaker 1>the last scene of the script, when a mother ominously
<v Speaker 1>warns you have to watch your children.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I talked about Peter Curtin. He denied that
<v Speaker 2>it was just about Peter Curtin. He said, there were
<v Speaker 2>lots of bad guys. Then I'll throw some names out.
<v Speaker 2>If you're one of those folks who were into the
<v Speaker 2>true crime serial killer stuff back then in Germany, you
<v Speaker 2>had Fritz Harriman, who had twenty four victims, was known
<v Speaker 2>as the Butcher of Hanover. You had Carl Grobman, who
<v Speaker 2>was a cannibal ended up committing suicide before they could
<v Speaker 2>convict him at trial. And you had Carl Dinky who
<v Speaker 2>was known as the cannibal of Zeebeis. He had killed
<v Speaker 2>and done other bad things to dozens.
<v Speaker 3>You're also forgetting the Hamburglar of Hamburg.
<v Speaker 1>Very very wanted criminal for a long time in the
<v Speaker 1>seventies for sure.
<v Speaker 2>So we talked about how Fritz Lang had done silent
<v Speaker 2>movies that had done m He had had a lot
<v Speaker 2>of success with silent movies. This was his very first
<v Speaker 2>sound movie, and he had been against sound, like when
<v Speaker 2>they started doing it, he was like, I'm not doing
<v Speaker 2>a sound movie. This is I don't like this. And
<v Speaker 2>then when he did it, he did everything with sound
<v Speaker 2>that everybody then did after him. He did narration, which
<v Speaker 2>had never been been done before. He had a soundtrack.
<v Speaker 2>He had a leap motif, which is where there's music
<v Speaker 2>connected to a particular character with that whistle of in
<v Speaker 2>the hall of the Mountain King. And then he had
<v Speaker 2>like off camera sounds that let you know what was
<v Speaker 2>going on in the areas that you couldn't see on
<v Speaker 2>the screen. And then he would use silence just before
<v Speaker 2>the big scares when there would be a loud boom. Nice,
<v Speaker 2>there's supposed to be an earth shattering kooboo? Where is
<v Speaker 2>there a shuddering kaboo? So it turns out Peter Lourie
<v Speaker 2>couldn't whistle though, so when you hear the whistle, when
<v Speaker 2>you hear the I can't whistle that. I'm dry man.
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to talk this long. That is actually that's
<v Speaker 2>Fritz Lang. That's Fritz Lang whistling.
<v Speaker 3>It's really easy. You just put your lips together and blow.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So November sixteenth, nineteen fifty seven, Frank Warden comes
<v Speaker 2>home after hunting all morning, goes to his other's hardware store,
<v Speaker 2>walks in and she's not there. He doesn't know why
<v Speaker 2>she's not there, and then he sees that the cash
<v Speaker 2>register is open, and then they sees a bloodstain on
<v Speaker 2>the floor. There's gone, and it appears that a body
<v Speaker 2>has been drug out of the heart out of her
<v Speaker 2>hardware store. And the only other thing that he sees
<v Speaker 2>is a receipt for a gallon of anti freeze. And
<v Speaker 2>he knows there was a local there yesterday who had
<v Speaker 2>told his mother, Bernice Warden, that he was going to
<v Speaker 2>come back that day and get a gallon of anti freeze.
<v Speaker 2>And so they immediately went to go talk to that guy.
<v Speaker 2>His name was ed Gean. Ed Gean, they arrested him,
<v Speaker 2>or at least took him in for questioning, and they
<v Speaker 2>went to the house to see if they could discover
<v Speaker 2>any clues that would lead them to the discovery of
<v Speaker 2>what happened to poor Bernice Warden. When they went into
<v Speaker 2>the barn, they got the shock of their lives. They
<v Speaker 2>saw what they thought was a deer hanging from the rafters.
<v Speaker 2>As it turned out, it was the decapitated body of
<v Speaker 2>Miss Warden, who had been gutted by mister Dean. And
<v Speaker 2>that was just the beginning. When they got into the house,
<v Speaker 2>they found skin, lampshades, nipple belts, miss Warden's severed head
<v Speaker 2>next to the stove, the mask of a young woman
<v Speaker 2>who had gone missing a couple of years before named
<v Speaker 2>Mary Hogan, and a suit made of human skin. Sound familiar, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>it's yes. All that is.
<v Speaker 1>Uh we're going to talk about here in just a
<v Speaker 1>few minutes in silence of the lambs.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well I got it. It sounds gruesome, but it's
<v Speaker 3>really I got big shoulders. It's hard to find clothing
<v Speaker 3>that fits, so sometimes you just got to make it yourself,
<v Speaker 3>right right, Well, you.
<v Speaker 1>Had listen, I did some reading on this. Yeah, unlike
<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Bill, he had like straps on the side that
<v Speaker 1>he could, you know, scent it up because you know,
<v Speaker 1>you know, you wanted to extra snug hourglass.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the way I want you want to look
<v Speaker 2>on in your skin. As it turns out, ed Geen
<v Speaker 2>had been kind of mentally abused by his mother, but
<v Speaker 2>was what we would describe as codependent upon her. I
<v Speaker 2>guess maybe that's a slight understatement. Anyway, when she passed away,
<v Speaker 2>he decided the way to bring her back was to
<v Speaker 2>make a woman costume, which he would down in the
<v Speaker 2>full moon and walk out in the middle of the
<v Speaker 2>night and dance around in his.
<v Speaker 1>Yard by his best friend is his mama.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right. So there was a guy or a
<v Speaker 2>writer named Robert Block who just happened to live forty
<v Speaker 2>miles away from ed Geen, and so he decided to
<v Speaker 2>drive out there and do a little research. And what
<v Speaker 2>resulted was a book called Psycho. Anybody read the book?
<v Speaker 2>Not nope, nope, I have it all right. Somebody who
<v Speaker 2>did read about the book was a guy who had
<v Speaker 2>been described as the Fritz Lang of England, a guy
<v Speaker 2>named Alfred Hitchcock who had become back the Steven Spielberg
<v Speaker 2>of the nineteen fifties and was at the top of
<v Speaker 2>his game. And he hears about Psycho and asks his company,
<v Speaker 2>his studio company, to buy the rights to it. They
<v Speaker 2>don't do it, they're not interested, and so he gets
<v Speaker 2>them himself, pays nine five hundred dollars to Robert Block
<v Speaker 2>for the rights to Psycho, what would go on to
<v Speaker 2>become his most famous movie. Okay, so when he wanted
<v Speaker 2>the screenplay written, he went to talk to a guy
<v Speaker 2>named James Kavanaugh, who was a writer for Alfred Hitchcock
<v Speaker 2>Presents his TV show that was going on at the time.
<v Speaker 2>That guy brought back a story that bored him to tears,
<v Speaker 2>which I don't know how you make a story about
<v Speaker 2>a psycho killer who dresses like his mother boring, but
<v Speaker 2>somehow this guy managed to do it. So they tapped
<v Speaker 2>a guy named Joseph Stefano, who had only written one
<v Speaker 2>movie before this, called The Black Orchid, and said we
<v Speaker 2>want you to talk to mister Hitchcock. Hitchcock wasn't initially
<v Speaker 2>interested until Stefano told him that he was in psychoanalysis,
<v Speaker 2>and at that point it became interesting. He's like, I
<v Speaker 2>think I can I can do some psychoanalysis stuff with
<v Speaker 2>this character and the fact that he has his mother's
<v Speaker 2>attachment thing going on. And he wrote the perfect script
<v Speaker 2>and as it turns out, his first draft, Joseph Stefano's
<v Speaker 2>first draft was the draft they used to shoot the movie.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting that they use their TV crew.
<v Speaker 1>I mean this was made at a I mean the
<v Speaker 1>budget was eight hundred five I have less than a
<v Speaker 1>million dollars, and they used their TV crew. They used
<v Speaker 1>all the guys that they shot the Alfred Hitchcock Present show.
<v Speaker 1>Did you guys ever watch that show?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Used to watch that show all the time, and
<v Speaker 3>my parents actually used to kind of joke about it
<v Speaker 3>because when I was a baby, I was they used
<v Speaker 3>to call me Alfred Hitchcock because I like looked like
<v Speaker 3>a baby, all right, looked like a baby. I looked
<v Speaker 3>like Alfred Hitchcock when I was a baby. So sometimes
<v Speaker 3>they my dad would like, do that dough doom, do
<v Speaker 3>do do do do doom, and he would turn me
<v Speaker 3>sideways and try to take pictures of me that way.
<v Speaker 3>So basically what I'm saying was it was a fat baby.
<v Speaker 2>That's a funny guy. So yeah. The studio that Hitchcock
<v Speaker 2>was working for at the time was called Paramount. Heard
<v Speaker 2>of them right, yep, the Mountain, the beginning of Raiders
<v Speaker 2>Law start right, okase. But Paramount was like, this is repulsive.
<v Speaker 2>There's no way that we're going to allow you to
<v Speaker 2>make this movie. We're not. He's like, I'll tell you what.
<v Speaker 2>I will shoot it for less than a million dollars.
<v Speaker 2>You do not have to pay me the two hundred
<v Speaker 2>and fifty thousand dollars that you normally pay me as
<v Speaker 2>a director fee. I'll just take a sixty percent stake
<v Speaker 2>in the movie. Good business decision for.
<v Speaker 1>Him, it was it was wow, all right?
<v Speaker 2>The serial killer list continues, and do you guys remember
<v Speaker 2>the eighties. Do you remember all of the serial killers
<v Speaker 2>that were doing stuff in the eighties. It was it
<v Speaker 2>was crazy, like they were all over the place. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So you had Ted Bundy, who I realized he did
<v Speaker 2>it most of his killing in the seventies, but he
<v Speaker 2>was obviously went through the whole trial all of that
<v Speaker 2>stuff in the eighties. So you get Ted Bundy, You've
<v Speaker 2>got Gary Heidnik, You've got ed Kemper, You've got Gary Ridgeway,
<v Speaker 2>You've got Alfred Trevino. Trevino and ed Gean of course
<v Speaker 2>was not in the eighties, but he is on that list.
<v Speaker 2>These are all guys that Thomas Harris used as inspiration
<v Speaker 2>for Jamie Buffalo, Bill Gum in his book Silence of
<v Speaker 2>the Lambs.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer. They were John Douglas,
<v Speaker 1>the character that Jack Crawford is based on. They were
<v Speaker 1>pursuing him at the moment when they were filming and
<v Speaker 1>working on all that.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so ed Geen, obviously we've got the skin suit,
<v Speaker 2>right Sewing's that's that relation with Ted Bundy that you
<v Speaker 2>remember the armbrace that he's got at the beginning when
<v Speaker 2>he's loading the couch. That was a trick that Ted
<v Speaker 2>Bundy would use. He'd use crutches or an armbrace to
<v Speaker 2>look helpless and use that to lure his victims. In
<v Speaker 2>Gary Heidnik is the guy who this is interesting. I
<v Speaker 2>had to read on this guy a little bit. He
<v Speaker 2>developed his own like religion, and within a few years
<v Speaker 2>this religious sect that he had formed had half a
<v Speaker 2>million dollars. Like he had invested with Edward Jones, and
<v Speaker 2>like was a wise and savvy investor who then later
<v Speaker 2>on gets a bunch of prostitutes and keeps him in
<v Speaker 2>a pit down in his basement. That's the that's the
<v Speaker 2>way it relates to Silence of the Lambs. But he
<v Speaker 2>tried to plead insanity like the rest of these guys.
<v Speaker 2>But the Edward Jones guy or is whoever is financial
<v Speaker 2>advisor was like, nope, he absolutely knew right from wrong.
<v Speaker 2>He was a savvy investor. There's no question this guy
<v Speaker 2>is not insane. And that's how he was one of
<v Speaker 2>the only three people who've been executed in Pennsylvania since
<v Speaker 2>their reinstitute of that.
<v Speaker 1>All right, so what about nineteen eighty six is Manhunter
<v Speaker 1>are you guys familiar with that one? Seen that one?
<v Speaker 1>Thoughts on that one?
<v Speaker 7>Yes, I've seen Man Hunter. Everybody else I've not seen it.
<v Speaker 6>I know it exists, I've never seen it.
<v Speaker 2>No, so that was a flop.
<v Speaker 1>Brian Cox actually plays Hannibal Elector.
<v Speaker 2>I want you to help me, doctor Lector. I thought
<v Speaker 2>it's about Atlanta, Birmingham. Yeah, you want to know how
<v Speaker 2>he's choosing them, don't you, Uncle Largo?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Daphne's dad on Frasier to.
<v Speaker 2>Me, but yeah, Or you know, the main bad guy
<v Speaker 2>in the Identity movies. Yeah, what'd you think of him? Dennis?
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that?
<v Speaker 8>It's from a long time ago, and I mean it
<v Speaker 8>wasn't as good. I think I was expecting more because
<v Speaker 8>I think I saw Silence first and then obviously than
<v Speaker 8>that one, and I think it was a bit of
<v Speaker 8>a letdown. Wasn't as good, minderwhelming, I guess, is what
<v Speaker 8>I would think it. You know, So I remember seeing
<v Speaker 8>it some good spots and good parts, but then overall
<v Speaker 8>like it had a kind of from I remember, a
<v Speaker 8>pretty creepy vibe at that time. I was about, like
<v Speaker 8>I'm trying to think when I saw that late teens,
<v Speaker 8>maybe so yeah. So it wasn't like, it's not anything
<v Speaker 8>that impressed me though overall. But I think it had
<v Speaker 8>a decent creepy vibe to it at some At some points.
<v Speaker 2>I saw it in the late nineties, and I would
<v Speaker 2>I liked Silence of the Lambs, Okay, so I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>this is the prequel to that. And Michael Man is
<v Speaker 2>the same guy who gave us Miami Vice. And as
<v Speaker 2>as soon as it started going, I was like, Oh,
<v Speaker 2>this is like Silence of the Lambs Miami Vice style.
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what it looked like.
<v Speaker 1>Crockett and Tubs come in, they get lecture.
<v Speaker 8>I think Dennis Farno was in there too, the guy
<v Speaker 8>from Like the Deep was that Get Shorty? What was
<v Speaker 8>the TV show where he was in there?
<v Speaker 7>Dun New York. He wasn't a cop, sure, Dennis Frina,
<v Speaker 7>he's a Chygo actor.
<v Speaker 3>He was on orders for a bit.
<v Speaker 1>So this is interesting to me. So Manhunter Michael Mann
<v Speaker 1>tries his hand at the Hannibal Electric character. It flops
<v Speaker 1>at the movie theater. Dino de la Renis was actually
<v Speaker 1>the producer of it. Of course, Dino de lancis famous
<v Speaker 1>for all kinds of awesomely bad movies from the eighties.
<v Speaker 1>Flash Gordon am Conan the Barbarian, and so he had
<v Speaker 1>the Hannibal Elector character rights, and when O'Ryan went to him,
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I can't do any with this character. Here
<v Speaker 1>you go, gave it over for free.
<v Speaker 3>Little known fact they were actually planning to do a
<v Speaker 3>musical of Hannibal Lecter and that was one of the songs.
<v Speaker 3>They were gonna take it from Flash Gordon, but it
<v Speaker 3>was gonna be flesh.
<v Speaker 2>Back to our Roger Corman reference, Jonathan Demi was a
<v Speaker 2>guy who had gotten his start with Roger Corman. I
<v Speaker 2>took a look at him. His first movie was a
<v Speaker 2>girl prison movie called Caged Heat. I made the Sacrifice
<v Speaker 2>and watched that I did indeed well, lots and lots
<v Speaker 2>of boobies, lots and lots of boobies. Beyond that, not
<v Speaker 2>a really great movie. But what he went on, he improved,
<v Speaker 2>he got better. He ended up making a movie called
<v Speaker 2>Melvin and Howard, which Mary Steambergon won Best Supporting Actress
<v Speaker 2>for her performance in. And then he did a movie
<v Speaker 2>that we've talked about. This movie is called Something Wild.
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember where we talked about this Jiff.
<v Speaker 1>Daniels Dumb and Dummer.
<v Speaker 2>There you go. So he did Something Wild, which is
<v Speaker 2>the movie that they talk about in Dumb and Dumber.
<v Speaker 2>Then he did Married to the Mob, and then he
<v Speaker 2>got tapped to do this movie. Well, the book had
<v Speaker 2>been out and Jodi Foster was like, I want to
<v Speaker 2>play this part. She petitioned to play this part, but
<v Speaker 2>when she found out that Jonathan Demi was going to
<v Speaker 2>be directing it, she was like, well, he's definitely going
<v Speaker 2>to be given it to Michelle Pfeiffer. I don't even
<v Speaker 2>need to bother, but I'm just gonna go and meet
<v Speaker 2>him and let him know I'm interested as a plan B.
<v Speaker 2>And that worked because Michelle Pfeiffer said, no, no, I
<v Speaker 2>don't want to do that. Seems gross. Seems gross, and
<v Speaker 2>so she got to play the young officer starling.
<v Speaker 3>Thing about Something Wild, also starring Ray Liotta.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you see the sequel to Silence of Lamb's Hannibal,
<v Speaker 3>doesn't he get his brain eating in that movie?
<v Speaker 1>Eat his brains?
<v Speaker 6>That's right, yes, while he's alive.
<v Speaker 3>Still.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a little bit at a time, and as
<v Speaker 2>long as we're making connections. There was a movie that
<v Speaker 2>came out called Hitchcock, which starred Anthony Hopkins. Anthony Hopkins
<v Speaker 2>as Alfred Hitchcock while he was directing the movie Psycho.
<v Speaker 1>Other names associated with Cleary Starling where Meg Ryan, Nicole Kidman,
<v Speaker 1>and Hallie Barry. You guys probably didn't have a lot
<v Speaker 1>of time. But what do you think in recasting wise?
<v Speaker 1>Is Jody Foster the perfect one? Do you have anybody
<v Speaker 1>else that'd.
<v Speaker 2>Be Let's start with Jody FOSX sir? Who would you
<v Speaker 2>guys cast instead of Jodie Foster back then? Or no,
<v Speaker 2>we don't care, do now let's say they're rebanking it. Now,
<v Speaker 2>who are you going to cast now?
<v Speaker 7>Scarlettohansen?
<v Speaker 8>Oh, maybe Sigourney Weaver back then?
<v Speaker 7>I would have been interested.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a good one. Pat, you got any thoughts
<v Speaker 2>on that?
<v Speaker 5>Well?
<v Speaker 4>See, and I'm looking at Jodi Foster's age back then,
<v Speaker 4>he doesn't count either.
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I figured, I figured.
<v Speaker 4>I struggled with this question, and you know, it's it's
<v Speaker 4>really interesting, you know, I'm I'm kind of lost and
<v Speaker 4>thought with everything you guys are mentioning, like, oh, that
<v Speaker 4>would be interesting seeing that person play this role. M
<v Speaker 4>that would be I don't know if I have anything
<v Speaker 4>to offer to the conversation with that. Yeah, And sometimes
<v Speaker 4>it's hard. When I go back and watch movies when
<v Speaker 4>I was younger, I tend to see those actors and
<v Speaker 4>actresses like I did when I was that age. So
<v Speaker 4>when I rewatched this movie, Jody Foster seems like someone
<v Speaker 4>older than myself, even though when I'm looking at the
<v Speaker 4>age that she was, and she would a few years
<v Speaker 4>younger than what I am right now.
<v Speaker 2>If it helps it all. She was born in sixty two,
<v Speaker 2>so she'd be nine whenever the movie came out.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So, like I said, I was obviously well younger
<v Speaker 4>than that when the movie came out, and I'm slightly
<v Speaker 4>older than that now.
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to keep just saying I don't have anything, guys.
<v Speaker 4>But it's interesting because Jodi Foster really just seemed to
<v Speaker 4>bring something like just a very unique touch to this
<v Speaker 4>and so it's kind of hard to imagine who else,
<v Speaker 4>either now or back then, that would fill that role.
<v Speaker 4>Halle Berry. That struck me as pretty interesting because John,
<v Speaker 4>didn't we just do a movie where halle Berry was
<v Speaker 4>like her first role? Yeah, yeah, she was Sam Sam
<v Speaker 4>Jackson's girlfriend.
<v Speaker 2>In Jungle fever, jungle fever.
<v Speaker 4>Jungle fever. Yes, and so like that, really I'm kind
<v Speaker 4>of stuck on that name, because wow, that's a really
<v Speaker 4>interesting question recasting this role as Jodi Foster, because she
<v Speaker 4>really just seemed to nail this character. She was the
<v Speaker 4>real deal. I mean, she was not quite in over
<v Speaker 4>her head. She was equal to most all of the
<v Speaker 4>challenges present to her in the movie. But then she
<v Speaker 4>was also very vulnerable to Hannibal Lecter. And I want
<v Speaker 4>to say that in I don't want to jump the
<v Speaker 4>gun with trivia here, but I want to say that
<v Speaker 4>there was something that Anthony Hopkins did in a scene.
<v Speaker 4>I think it was going after her accent or something
<v Speaker 4>that Jodie Foster wasn't ready for, and that like set
<v Speaker 4>her back a peg when you know, all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 4>Anthony Hopkins was coming after the same way that Hannibally. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>so I was just going to say it would have
<v Speaker 4>to be someone that was like both strong but also vulnerable.
<v Speaker 4>And I've got two names that I yeah, take mind, Jeff.
<v Speaker 6>That kind of jumped out at me. One was Gina Davis.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's a good one.
<v Speaker 6>And the other was Demi Moore. Like maybe not so
<v Speaker 6>much the physicality of like you know, running through the uh,
<v Speaker 6>doing the course work, but just some some of the
<v Speaker 6>psychological stuff and portraying that aspect of character. Both of
<v Speaker 6>those could have brought a very interesting take to that character,
<v Speaker 6>Johnny get anything.
<v Speaker 3>The one I had in mind, I had one kind
<v Speaker 3>of playing around in my head. But it's because back
<v Speaker 3>in the late eighties early nineties, I just wanted to
<v Speaker 3>see every movie she was in. So one of my
<v Speaker 3>first thoughts was a Winona writer and well that yes, everyone,
<v Speaker 3>all right, I'm just gonna excuse myself for a minute.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go watch Labyrinth. I'll be back in a
<v Speaker 3>little bit. But theother one I was thinking about because
<v Speaker 3>I pat to your point too. With the character of
<v Speaker 3>I always have to say it, Glaris. With the character
<v Speaker 3>of Claris, it's got to be somebody who is almost
<v Speaker 3>almost seems like physically physically unassuming or physically weak is
<v Speaker 3>not the right word, but but someone who you're gonna
<v Speaker 3>underestimate her a little bit. You know, you might look
<v Speaker 3>at her and be like, all right, well there's not
<v Speaker 3>much there to her, and she's you know, she's she's
<v Speaker 3>probably a very quiet person. But she's got a strength
<v Speaker 3>to her that she will just walk right into this
<v Speaker 3>mental institution and walk right up to one of the
<v Speaker 3>worst killers in the United States and start having a
<v Speaker 3>conversation with him. So somebody that I thought could potentially
<v Speaker 3>do something like that, Uma Thurman, I thought might not
<v Speaker 3>be a bad choice for something like that. Yeah, but
<v Speaker 3>I mean you've got I mean even her name, like,
<v Speaker 3>she's her last name is a bird. It's your so
<v Speaker 3>you're like and he kind of plays off of that
<v Speaker 3>a little bit when he refers to her as Starling,
<v Speaker 3>you know, fly away, And it's got to be something
<v Speaker 3>that there's the when you first look at her, there's
<v Speaker 3>the innocence, there's the almost the unassuming nature. But then
<v Speaker 3>it's got to be somebody that could walk right up
<v Speaker 3>and just start having a conversation with Hannibal the Cannibal.
<v Speaker 2>So when Jonathan Demi was casting the FBI extras whenever
<v Speaker 2>She's going through the FBI Academy at the very beginning
<v Speaker 2>of the movie, he deliberately cast guys who were tall.
<v Speaker 2>He was trying to find guys that were over six
<v Speaker 2>foot tall. And I don't really think of Jodie Foster
<v Speaker 2>as this teeny tiny lady. But that's just because she's
<v Speaker 2>been up with actors who are not particularly tall. But
<v Speaker 2>there's that scene where she gets on the elevator and
<v Speaker 2>like it's a bunch of guys and her, and she
<v Speaker 2>looks like ahead and a half shorter than everybody else.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's right. It's like you're setting the stage
<v Speaker 2>to say, here's this little girl. And then she goes
<v Speaker 2>and is tough with him and is and holds her
<v Speaker 2>own like she's been trying to hold her own her
<v Speaker 2>whole life. So my answer to the question sit born
<v Speaker 2>the same year Jennifer Jason Lake. Nice.
<v Speaker 3>My one of my favorite things about that scene in
<v Speaker 3>the elevator is when is when she goes all right,
<v Speaker 3>before we get started, does anybody want to get off?
<v Speaker 2>That's a good one. I thought you were gonna say
<v Speaker 2>she pushed all the buttons and said, ooh like a
<v Speaker 2>Christmas tree.
<v Speaker 6>What about Robin Wright.
<v Speaker 1>The same birth year? I looked at her same deal.
<v Speaker 1>You know, she's beautiful, talented, smart, can hold her own.
<v Speaker 3>I like it.
<v Speaker 1>The one I came up with Jamie Lee Curtis. I
<v Speaker 1>didn't even think about her connection to Psycho, but she's beautiful,
<v Speaker 1>but she could be tough, you know, so, and she
<v Speaker 1>kind of fits that age range. She's even old now, but.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems like she's been my first My first
<v Speaker 2>thought was Holly Hunter, but she's a little older. She's
<v Speaker 2>a little older, but I thought she'd have the good
<v Speaker 2>Southern accent and the right height.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's talk about Hannibal Lecter for a minute. You
<v Speaker 1>guys ready, we ready to yeah, get everybody in that one,
<v Speaker 1>all right. Hannibal Lecter. He's ranked as the number one
<v Speaker 1>villain of all time by AFI over Darth Vader.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, number one. I don't know i'd agree with that.
<v Speaker 2>He's awesome.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the character itself is awesome.
<v Speaker 4>Kind of hard to root against him at some points
<v Speaker 4>in the movie. I mean I was kind of like,
<v Speaker 4>sort of like rooting for the monster in a monster
<v Speaker 4>movie or the Sharks and Deep bluec It was like, dude,
<v Speaker 4>this guy's going to get out. That's pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>So Anthony Hopkins was cast, of course one an Oscar
<v Speaker 1>did a fantastic job. But I'm just gonna throw these
<v Speaker 1>other names at you to see what you think about.
<v Speaker 1>These are the guys that were considered for Hannibal lecter, okay,
<v Speaker 1>Robert Duvall.
<v Speaker 2>Getting the headshake from John, getting a nod from Pat,
<v Speaker 2>blank stare from Dennis and Jeff.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's I don't think he's menacing in
<v Speaker 1>any way. He's too nice. It seems sweet, all right.
<v Speaker 2>John Hurt John Hursts, the guy from Alien right that
<v Speaker 2>has the thing come out of his chest.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So I've got some these names blew my mind. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>So Robert Duvall, Jeremy Irons I think would have been good.
<v Speaker 6>That's who I was speaking. Jeremy Irons popped into my mind.
<v Speaker 1>He's scary, right, I mean he's menacing. Jack Nicholson, Dustin.
<v Speaker 2>Hoffman, ooh that one. No, how about Patrick Stewart.
<v Speaker 6>That'd be interesting, that'd be kind of cool.
<v Speaker 7>Dustin Hoffman. I can't see that though.
<v Speaker 1>Dustin Hoffman's about five foot one.
<v Speaker 7>So scary is thing he's ever done?
<v Speaker 3>Man, there's definitely thirteen bodies buried in the back.
<v Speaker 2>So here you go.
<v Speaker 1>Lewis Gossip Junior, John lithgow In, the one that bloomy away, Christopher.
<v Speaker 3>Lloyd Artie body is very heavy, help me drag it.
<v Speaker 4>It's interesting because, like I could see Christopher Lloyd, and
<v Speaker 4>I could see Patrick Stewart right. And it's funny because,
<v Speaker 4>like I know, Christopher Lloyd obviously is Doc Brown, like
<v Speaker 4>he is Doc Brown, but he was also Commander Krueg
<v Speaker 4>and search for Spock. So I've seen him as a villain,
<v Speaker 4>so I think, hell, Judge, oh yeah, Jeff, that's yeah,
<v Speaker 4>hell yeah, he would he would seem to be. I
<v Speaker 4>don't I don't know if unhinged is the right word.
<v Speaker 4>The Anthony Hopkins portrayal of him is, I don't want
<v Speaker 4>to say more cultured, but I'm just going to say
<v Speaker 4>more cultured, whereas I think Christopher Lloyd, at least based
<v Speaker 4>on the other characters that he's played, would be a
<v Speaker 4>little bit more psycho guy, right, Patrick Stewart, you know,
<v Speaker 4>obviously John Luke Picard and then also in Dune he
<v Speaker 4>played I always forget the guy's name, not Hallick, was
<v Speaker 4>it Gurnie Hallick or whatever he was? He was the
<v Speaker 4>in dou and he was the Prince's like right hand man.
<v Speaker 4>But seeing him as a bad guy, he's I know,
<v Speaker 4>he's been a bad guy in at least one film,
<v Speaker 4>but I could see Patrick Stewart just you know, pulling
<v Speaker 4>on all his capital a acting chops and really like
<v Speaker 4>that would be cool, but I mean, Anthony Hopkins is
<v Speaker 4>so good.
<v Speaker 6>Don Lis.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm a little surprised that they didn't throw this
<v Speaker 3>out the Willem Dafoe's Ah, that's a good one, because
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, I mean, you look at you look
<v Speaker 3>at some pictures. I feel like you look at some
<v Speaker 3>pictures of Hannibal Lecter and like one of the things
<v Speaker 3>that one of the things that really gets me when
<v Speaker 3>I look at pictures of him is he looked like
<v Speaker 3>Anthony Hopkins looks like a reptile. And I know that
<v Speaker 3>that was one of the things that he specifically brought
<v Speaker 3>to that character, was you know he I think he
<v Speaker 3>based it off of a friend of his who had
<v Speaker 3>this habit of not blinking. And then he also was like, well,
<v Speaker 3>reptiles don't blink, So I link in my scenes unless
<v Speaker 3>it's at a dramatic time, I'm gonna be very intentional
<v Speaker 3>about when I blink. And so he's just got even
<v Speaker 3>if you look at still photos of him as Hanniballector,
<v Speaker 3>he looks like a reptile. And then when he's got
<v Speaker 3>the mask on in those other scenes, you just you
<v Speaker 3>see his eyes and they're just his eyes are just massive.
<v Speaker 3>And I look at a picture of Willim Foe and
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Okay, he could pull off the reptile look.
<v Speaker 3>He could pull off the I'm just a normal person.
<v Speaker 3>I'm very educated. I'm a well rounded human being. But
<v Speaker 3>if you let me out of this cage, I probably
<v Speaker 3>will eat your face. Yeah, I could believe that.
<v Speaker 8>I'm jumping ahead, but it was like will and Dafoe
<v Speaker 8>is one of the ones that I had also to
<v Speaker 8>play Buffalo Bill, and I can't see how he could
<v Speaker 8>play either one of those roles. He could probably do both,
<v Speaker 8>like I mean that obviously at the same time, but
<v Speaker 8>he could do one.
<v Speaker 7>I think he qualify for both of those roles.
<v Speaker 8>So Willam Davoe's got that, like you said that, that
<v Speaker 8>range of if he gets really serious and kind of creepy.
<v Speaker 8>Now back the ligo I think we were searching for
<v Speaker 8>when he If anybody's seen obviously Dexter, he played a
<v Speaker 8>full season on Dexter and was a really good serial
<v Speaker 8>killer in there.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so my pick for Hannibal Lekker would probably be
<v Speaker 2>Jack Nicholson among them, but he was considered the one
<v Speaker 2>that you haven't mentioned that I thought would be a
<v Speaker 2>good one would be Jeff Colbland.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>You can do the more. Yeah, he can do smart.
<v Speaker 2>He can do smart and poised. Even though he is
<v Speaker 2>that affectation that he does, he can pull it back
<v Speaker 2>and do something like The Fly where he's smart and
<v Speaker 2>poised and awesome.
<v Speaker 1>He can talk about chaos theory.
<v Speaker 3>Hello, Clarice I had There were a couple other ones
<v Speaker 3>that I had from back then. One of the other
<v Speaker 3>ones I thought of was John Malkovich.
<v Speaker 1>Ye oh, yeah, there you go.
<v Speaker 3>When I did some of the names for today, like
<v Speaker 3>if we were going to cast the movie for today,
<v Speaker 3>the one that I wrote down for Hannibal Lecter was
<v Speaker 3>Jackie Earl Haley.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, nailed it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you gotta be you gotta look a little off.
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Demi offered the part to Sean Connery. That was
<v Speaker 1>his first choice.
<v Speaker 7>Clarice Walking, I think it had been there pretty well.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a census man tried to test me with some
<v Speaker 3>fava beans and a nice kianti.
<v Speaker 7>And then the other one for today I would have
<v Speaker 7>been Christoph Waltz.
<v Speaker 6>Oh that that'd be awesome.
<v Speaker 2>That'd be great. Nice. Okay, So Buffalo Bill? You got
<v Speaker 2>alternatives for Buffalo Bill? I don't have any alternatives for
<v Speaker 2>Buffalo Bill. I know Ted Levine got the part. He's
<v Speaker 2>actually from Belvidere, Ohio.
<v Speaker 1>The house that James Gum gets captured in at the
<v Speaker 1>end of the movie was right next door to the
<v Speaker 1>house where his high school girlfriend lived.
<v Speaker 2>Literally, Wow, I've been here. I've been here before.
<v Speaker 1>I got the second base right there.
<v Speaker 2>Mystery of the broad class solved. That's right.
<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything on who possibly was replacing him,
<v Speaker 1>But what do you guys got for alternates for Buffalo Bill?
<v Speaker 8>Michael Emerson was one guy from lost Okay, and then
<v Speaker 8>and this is weird that you wouldn't think of this one,
<v Speaker 8>but I don't know why, but Dak Shephard for some
<v Speaker 8>reason bopped out.
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, it would have been a little funnier.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I'd like to see him in a serious role.
<v Speaker 7>It would have been interesting to see if you pull
<v Speaker 7>that up.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I could see him do the tucking
<v Speaker 2>scene without laughing. You gotta be able to pull off
<v Speaker 2>the tux scene.
<v Speaker 7>Also, Jake Bucy, I would say.
<v Speaker 1>There you go.
<v Speaker 2>That's that's a good one. Nailed that one. Yeah, that's
<v Speaker 2>a good one of the time. At the time, Steve Bushimi.
<v Speaker 4>I did the jokers from the more recent Batman movies.
<v Speaker 4>Either it was a Joaquin Phoenix right or or.
<v Speaker 2>Jered Ya would be too pretty?
<v Speaker 6>Who was yeah?
<v Speaker 4>Who was the who is the one in the chrystal.
<v Speaker 4>I can't think of his name. Heath Ledger, I think,
<v Speaker 4>you know, Heath Ledger or Joaquin Phoenix. Sorry, I think
<v Speaker 4>would make a real interesting you know, being able to
<v Speaker 4>play that character.
<v Speaker 1>Joaquin Phoenix would do the tucking scene.
<v Speaker 8>On my long list were Crispin Christmas Glover and Andy Serkis.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go both. Yeah, yeah, that's great.
<v Speaker 3>I had for names from today. Joaquin Phoenix was on
<v Speaker 3>mine because I'm picturing like the whole tucking and dance
<v Speaker 3>scene and like dancing down the staircase and yeah, that
<v Speaker 3>whole thing. And then the other one I thought of
<v Speaker 3>that could be, like somebody from today that could be
<v Speaker 3>kind of interesting was Tom Hillston kind of like that
<v Speaker 3>when I picture Buffalo Bill like, I picture kind of
<v Speaker 3>like a like a tall, kind of lanky guy. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know just when when he plays Loki, I picture
<v Speaker 3>him as being kind of a tall, lanky guy, and
<v Speaker 3>I think he's got enough acting chops that he could
<v Speaker 3>pull off. He could pull off the socially awkward, weird,
<v Speaker 3>you know, whatever he needs to do to be a
<v Speaker 3>buffalo bill.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, English smart.
<v Speaker 6>You know, I've had a couple of names that kind
<v Speaker 6>of popped popped in my head. So this would be
<v Speaker 6>back in early nineties, that there's something about these actors
<v Speaker 6>that could portray the really off the wall in an
<v Speaker 6>uncomfortable sort of way type of character.
<v Speaker 3>Right, So like.
<v Speaker 6>Nick Cage, maybe Edward Norton because when you think of that,
<v Speaker 6>the movie he was in with Richard gear Ye from
<v Speaker 6>Primal Fear. Yeah, like that's sort of character.
<v Speaker 3>Oddly enough, Edward Norton was the main character in Red Dragon,
<v Speaker 3>the prequel movie, Go yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And then Detective Will Graham Yeah.
<v Speaker 6>And then Gary Oldman was the other name that came
<v Speaker 6>to mind.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Well, Gary Oldman could play any part in
<v Speaker 2>any movie anywhere.
<v Speaker 1>He actually plays Mason Berger, the guy who ate his
<v Speaker 1>face in Was It Hannibal? He plays in a sequel
<v Speaker 1>to Silence of the Lambs.
<v Speaker 2>Gary Oldman could have played Clarice and done it well.
<v Speaker 4>He a speaking of speaking of Clarice, I just thought
<v Speaker 4>of a couple of names that Katie Holmes or Jennifer Lawrence,
<v Speaker 4>I think from today.
<v Speaker 3>Earlier when you when you said Jennifer Connley, I got distracted,
<v Speaker 3>But the more I thought about it, actually I think
<v Speaker 3>of her in uh we had been watching this show
<v Speaker 3>snow Piercer, and like her character in that if she
<v Speaker 3>was just a maybe a little bit younger, but playing
<v Speaker 3>that character, I don't know if you guys have seen
<v Speaker 3>that TV show, but she's got you know, she she
<v Speaker 3>has a little bit of a physical stature that's unassuming
<v Speaker 3>kind of a deal, but she's also strong and confident,
<v Speaker 3>and she can walk into a room and tell people
<v Speaker 3>what to do. And so actually, Jennifer Conley today wouldn't
<v Speaker 3>even be a bad choice for a Clarice.
<v Speaker 6>That's where I circled back to Robin Wright. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 6>think Robin Wright could have pulled that off too, especially
<v Speaker 6>when you once you find out what she's really capable.
<v Speaker 6>Like her character in the House of Cards, Yeah, was
<v Speaker 6>like frightening, frighteningly strong, frighteningly tough. So I think, you know,
<v Speaker 6>knowing that she has that within her thirty years ago
<v Speaker 6>in the nineties. I think she could have been a
<v Speaker 6>great Clarice.
<v Speaker 4>Who played Zoe Bartlett on Wesling Elizabeth Moss.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah about Scarlett Johansson.
<v Speaker 3>And we've come full circle.
<v Speaker 8>I would go maybe another one I would throw and
<v Speaker 8>would be. Another of my favorites that I always just
<v Speaker 8>love was Sandra Bullock.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she can play about anything. Okay, just some names
<v Speaker 1>for Jack Crawford. Scott Glenn actually played the part in
<v Speaker 1>the movie. They thought about Michael Keaton, Mickey Rourke, and
<v Speaker 1>Kenneth Brannaugh. I thought those were pretty good names. And
<v Speaker 1>Gene Hackman, I don't know if he goes know this
<v Speaker 1>or not. He bought the rights to Silence of the Lambs.
<v Speaker 1>This was supposed to be his directorial debut. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know what he was looking at. But after he bought it,
<v Speaker 1>he thought, now this is too gross, too graphic, and
<v Speaker 1>he bowed out. But I also heard him as directing
<v Speaker 1>and playing Crawford and Jack Crawford's character is based on
<v Speaker 1>the real life John Douglas. I've read his book called Manhunter. Fascinating,
<v Speaker 1>but I'll give you nightmares.
<v Speaker 8>I would have said Kevin Spacey maybe two for that
<v Speaker 8>role too. Could have been pretty interesting.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 1>Boris Fishburne actually plays him in the TV series. Did
<v Speaker 1>you guys anybody see in the TV series?
<v Speaker 2>Oh?
<v Speaker 3>I haven't. Yeah, they had a TV series that was
<v Speaker 3>called Hannibal. Was it just a few years ago, wasn't it?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they've got one coming out this year or it
<v Speaker 3>has been out this year called Clarice. Oh.
<v Speaker 6>I didn't catch that at all, so ill that's what
<v Speaker 6>I thought you were talking. I started watching Clarice. I
<v Speaker 6>only got like two or three episodes in, and it
<v Speaker 6>was just it was not landing.
<v Speaker 2>Well. Okay. Trivia question, name the first slasher movie, the
<v Speaker 2>first movie with a toilet, the first movie with a
<v Speaker 2>toilet flush, and first movie with a girl and just
<v Speaker 2>her bra and slip.
<v Speaker 6>That'd be Psycho Picho is the correct answer?
<v Speaker 2>Very good? All right? Now real quick? What was the
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend's name in Psycho?
<v Speaker 3>Sam?
<v Speaker 2>Sam?
<v Speaker 1>What? Sam?
<v Speaker 4>Why is Gamgee?
<v Speaker 9>Oh?
<v Speaker 1>Sam Loomis?
<v Speaker 2>Sam Loomis is the correct answer. Where else is there
<v Speaker 2>a character with the name Sam Loomis?
<v Speaker 1>Halloween?
<v Speaker 2>I did not call your name, mister. Please stop shouting
<v Speaker 2>the answers out. Sorry, the answer is correct. Is Halloween?
<v Speaker 2>The doctor in Halloween is named Sam Loomis as a
<v Speaker 2>throwback to Psycho, So another relation if you will. Yes, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so let's talk about first scene and best scene for
<v Speaker 2>each of the movies. All right, So first scene of
<v Speaker 2>m You've got the kids dancing around in the circle
<v Speaker 2>playing the game where like people are getting hacked up
<v Speaker 2>and you kind of get out of the circle if
<v Speaker 2>you get hacked up, right, And then the mothers are
<v Speaker 2>like stop, you know, stop playing that game. The other
<v Speaker 2>mother is like, hey, at least if we can hear them,
<v Speaker 2>we know we're there. They're there. And then you see
<v Speaker 2>the wanted poster. You see murder on the wanted poster.
<v Speaker 2>If you happen to speak German, it's not a real
<v Speaker 2>hard translation to make. But then a shadow comes over
<v Speaker 2>the word murder and it's the killer. Right. What do
<v Speaker 2>you guys think? What'd you think of the first scene.
<v Speaker 3>Of em I thought that was great, Like I thought,
<v Speaker 3>especially knowing that this is one of the earliest movies
<v Speaker 3>that incorporated sound, you know, to start it off with.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, because always, and at that point it wouldn't
<v Speaker 3>have been the case, but I always, I always love
<v Speaker 3>a good creepy child in a horror movie, you know,
<v Speaker 3>and the kids song that they were singing was like
<v Speaker 3>just creepy enough to be like, all right, well, I
<v Speaker 3>I can see where if somebody watching this in nineteen
<v Speaker 3>thirty one was like, good lord, that was a morbid
<v Speaker 3>little song being sung by children. You know, that may
<v Speaker 3>not have started the trend of let's put creepy kids
<v Speaker 3>in movies to scare people.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.
<v Speaker 6>I thought it was very simple, right, It wasn't too
<v Speaker 6>complex trying to set up too many possible avenues of
<v Speaker 6>you know, possible misdirection or red herrings, Like we're pretty
<v Speaker 6>much going to tell you what's going on. These kids
<v Speaker 6>are going to sing about it, their mothers are going
<v Speaker 6>to clarify some things, and then we're going to see
<v Speaker 6>the murder, like the word murder show up, and then
<v Speaker 6>you get the entrance of the murderers. Like, yeah, that's
<v Speaker 6>pretty much everything I need to know right now. So
<v Speaker 6>thank you very much for these three and a half minutes.
<v Speaker 6>I hope the rest of the movie isn't as obvious
<v Speaker 6>as the first handful of minutes were.
<v Speaker 4>I agree with everything that's been said.
<v Speaker 1>Then did you get a chance to watch Yeah? I did.
<v Speaker 9>Now, the one thing that I watched both the title
<v Speaker 9>version for half of it. I did watch the English version,
<v Speaker 9>and I was just curious because you said the sciences murder,
<v Speaker 9>which I thought too, What's interesting on the English version
<v Speaker 9>because what they do is they'll suppose the English text
<v Speaker 9>over and it just says ten thousand marks reward missing.
<v Speaker 9>It doesn't say murder in that one version, which is weird.
<v Speaker 8>So I was just wondering how the when they translated
<v Speaker 8>it was interesting how they if that was correct that
<v Speaker 8>was missing or murder, because I was like, wondering, are
<v Speaker 8>they in the in the German part, it looks like
<v Speaker 8>it's almost the question mark of something.
<v Speaker 7>Is it murder or is it? Like I wonder.
<v Speaker 8>I took German, so I should know this, but for
<v Speaker 8>two years but in high school. But yeah, I'm just
<v Speaker 8>curious what that sign really said in German because to
<v Speaker 8>me it looks like something murder, probably for a reward.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So they they refilmed, like a lot of this,
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the movie for to be to be
<v Speaker 2>in English.
<v Speaker 7>Right, So they refilmed it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you've got the original version that Fritz Lang did,
<v Speaker 2>and then they refilmed a lot of it to be
<v Speaker 2>in English. And Peter Lorie played his same part in
<v Speaker 2>the English version as well. He had escaped to the
<v Speaker 2>US by then because he was also Jewish and knew
<v Speaker 2>it was time to get out of Nazi Germany. And
<v Speaker 2>that was his first English speaking movie. Was this movie? Really? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>So his second English speaking movie was The Man Who
<v Speaker 2>Knew Too Much, which was directed by Alfred Hitchcock. Okay, guys,
<v Speaker 2>we're going to take a quick second to do our
<v Speaker 2>new segment called the Shirley Showcase. Today we have mister
<v Speaker 2>Dayton Johnson.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dayton Johnson's a friend of ours. He has been
<v Speaker 1>on the Film By podcast, which those guys are friends
<v Speaker 1>of ours, and now he's got his own podcast called
<v Speaker 1>Docking Bay seventy seven.
<v Speaker 2>That is your sort of Star Wars reference. Right, that's
<v Speaker 2>what I took it as. I think that's got to be.
<v Speaker 2>We got to ask him that question. Yeah, all right,
<v Speaker 2>Well let's hear from Dayton Johnson. He's got an episode,
<v Speaker 2>a throwback to one of the episodes that we did
<v Speaker 2>last year season one, and he's going to give us
<v Speaker 2>his opinion on that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Doctor feel Good and skid Row. Here's Daton Johnson.
<v Speaker 10>Hey, guys, it's Dayton from the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast.
<v Speaker 10>I thought I do it shout out twenty year older episodes,
<v Speaker 10>skid Row versus Doctor feel Good, A little history real quick,
<v Speaker 10>my bet A fan of Motley Crue for a while.
<v Speaker 10>I still actually own my original Shout at the Devil
<v Speaker 10>on vinyl, and I actually did buy Doctor fiel Good
<v Speaker 10>when was released back in eighty nine. Schedule is a
<v Speaker 10>little different. Yeah, I heard him on the radio a lot,
<v Speaker 10>and I had friends that had their CD so I
<v Speaker 10>got to listen to them, but it wasn't until the
<v Speaker 10>last year or so that actually bought skid Row Enslaved
<v Speaker 10>to the Grind on CD. Now, when comparing these two records,
<v Speaker 10>I decided to look at the songs that weren't released
<v Speaker 10>as opposed to the singles, because both records had a
<v Speaker 10>lot of great singles released.
<v Speaker 3>Off with them.
<v Speaker 10>So when I started looking at skid Row, songs like
<v Speaker 10>Sweet Little Sister, Making a Mess and Can't Stand the
<v Speaker 10>Heartache really stood out as really good rock songs. Midnight
<v Speaker 10>Tornado also stands out, and to a lesser extent, Rattlesnake
<v Speaker 10>Shake and Big Guns. It's a really solid record, especially
<v Speaker 10>since it was a debut album. Doctor Fieldgud had a
<v Speaker 10>lot of good singles released off hit. Every one of
<v Speaker 10>them is stellar, but when you look at the other
<v Speaker 10>songs on the album, they're really not all that great.
<v Speaker 10>I mean, yeah, there's a nice bluesy swing to them,
<v Speaker 10>but I didn't find myself singing along to them, and
<v Speaker 10>I really just kind of let them play in the
<v Speaker 10>background and sometimes even skipped. So I'm kind of surprising
<v Speaker 10>myself because going into this, I thought I knew my answer,
<v Speaker 10>But after revisiting both records, I decided that skid Row
<v Speaker 10>put out a better record. Even though I think Doctor
<v Speaker 10>Field is a great album, skid Row just kind of
<v Speaker 10>edges it out for a debut album. It really does rock. Hey, guys,
<v Speaker 10>thanks for letting me do this, and I'm looking forward
<v Speaker 10>to more good episodes, all right.
<v Speaker 2>I love it that he had the experience like we've
<v Speaker 2>had before, where we revisit something and we're amazed that
<v Speaker 2>we missed out on the first go round.
<v Speaker 1>I think when you compare album with the album, I've
<v Speaker 1>got to agree with him. I think skid Row's album
<v Speaker 1>is better than Doctor Feel Good, even though I love
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Field. Good Dayton, thank you for doing that for us.
<v Speaker 1>We really appreciate that. Go check out his new podcast,
<v Speaker 1>Documents seventy seven.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks, Dayton really appreciates you and all your input.
<v Speaker 2>And also be sure and go check out the film
<v Speaker 2>by podcast with Dayton and Friends.
<v Speaker 1>All Right, So that's going to do it for part
<v Speaker 1>one of our m Versus Psycho Versus Silence of the
<v Speaker 1>Lambs episode. We'll be back next week with the awesome
<v Speaker 1>thirty something guys again as we continue our conversation, getting
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more in depth this time.
<v Speaker 2>Those three movies excellent. Look forward to seeing you guys.
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