E361- A Service Dog Bit Someone in the Face — Now What?

[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everybody, welcome back to the NoBad Dog's podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is amazing, this is something we've never done before, and this is a service dog German Shepherd that is now becoming aggressive and has a bite history.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do we do, what can we do?
[SPEAKER_00]: And more importantly, the reason why it's titled this is like the three steps to really figuring out a game plan for your reactive dog or your aggressive dog or the dog has a bite.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we go over those things very candidly and very honestly, and we just kind of go over like hard things that I don't think a lot of dog trainers are even talking about where You guys will listen, but it's really just about like hey, if you get a dog for a very particular thing Like a working dog, and in this case this dog is a working dog is a service dog to help this Lady out and she's in a wheelchair.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's she's handicapped and the dog is biting people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like hey get a new dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I give the dog back
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just a real conversation that a lot of people I think need to hear because Pet owners just assume You know, and I'm bit it's kind of contradicting for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think on the outside because you're like, oh, no bad dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why would you ever give a dog back?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: No bad dogs means the majority of people who come into my facility and their dog is out of control and pulling them down.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably their fault
[SPEAKER_00]: that's what no bad dog means.
[SPEAKER_00]: If a dog is doing a bunch of stuff, there's a really good chance that the owners have done all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that the owner of this dog didn't make mistakes to make the dog more aggressive or whatever, but that doesn't really apply when you have a service dog that you got for or a working dog that you got for a very particular thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the dog can't provide.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like going to the store and buying a screwdriver and you get it home at snaps.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: You return it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get a new one, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a huge difference between service dogs, working dogs, and pet dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's much different than getting a pet dog and getting a shepherd in and the dog gets big.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want this anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not good or hey this dog has smelly farts.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get rid of this dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's not okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get a service dog or working dog to come into your home to do a very particular thing and it does the exact opposite or even makes things worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is not okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's that's not it's not a no bad dog applicable Thing there, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like oh you should have done more work.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually not dude You know and I talk about that in my latest video I'll put it in the description on my second YouTube channel and it's about
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really about the difference between a working dog and a pet, and it makes things very, very, very clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, hopefully this is helpful for you guys, and insightful for you guys, and it helps dog owners understand, and kind of eliminate some of the stress that they put on themselves, especially in situations like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, guys, check the link out below, check it out, and we'll talk to you guys on the next one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, to talk to you later.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_00]: What have we got going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is OB.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's saying hello.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremiah.
[SPEAKER_00]: OB.
[SPEAKER_00]: The German Shepherd.
[SPEAKER_00]: How old is he?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK. And so I'm disabled.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wheelchair user.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got OB back in 2020 as a service dog from a guy who I've used before as to get service.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've heard of dual bond.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he doesn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I have actually retired one here, and Ovee who's now retired because of his name.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I had a stop using him as a service dog, probably four years ago now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because he bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it didn't just start off he bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It started off like, okay, so imagine I get him, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Because a lot of that, but it was COVID.
[SPEAKER_01]: So all the things that I've known with you like go out to the store because of my health and stuff I couldn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was just him and I own a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the more the only place that he was really going was like the doctor's office or he's very bold.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like the doctor's office is basically other than that, it was just me and him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it got, like, we're really bonded, but in a really unhealthy kind of sort of like, um, and I know, like he's bitten, I started off where, I don't know, like, because we're coming to see you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: This weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so as you figured, like, I talked to you for a little bit now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, give you an opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to know what to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should be working with him on until BCU.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I figured we can save the rest of the conversation, a couple of weeks after I'm home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: See if I'm screwed out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what was the context of the bite?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I would assume that's the biggest issue for you that you want to work on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's been several.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in most instances, it's because I'm there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And someone comes towards me that either hug me,
[SPEAKER_01]: shape my hand or something like that or um they they come into a space where I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like for instance my nephew.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we live in we live about 18 miles from the city and Jersey side.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're in more urban area and my my oldest son lives downstairs in the building that we live.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my my that he was down there visiting my oldest life.
[SPEAKER_01]: He came up and we didn't know he was in the building.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he opened the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's been tired with them before.
[SPEAKER_01]: He opened the door a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just had to say hi to everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the last leg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, be mine over to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was patting him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I rolled myself around the corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, oh, ink.
[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as I saw him and said that, oh, we looked at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I come take to with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I must have looked terrified because I was.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he ran.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he bet him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was blood everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not like he's just he is fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He bit my father in the face, um, um, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was on, but you know, but I was sitting next to it will be on my father.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got always used to him at that point in his visiting, and my father was in the idea, and he went to hug him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it'll be better in the face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, why would you hug a dog that you really know?
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, I, it's been situations like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: always involved in some way.
[SPEAKER_01]: He taxed him with me first, usually.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because I'm so scared because I've seen what he does, I know he picks it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, he's picking it up off me right now because I'm talking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, you know, what is your, what is your end goal?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to, I don't want to be barking again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he can do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: All I want is
[SPEAKER_01]: to be able to bring people into my home without being like patrified or even just taken for a walk.
[SPEAKER_01]: A big part of the reason why I got him was that if I wanted to go, let's say, you know, down the street to get something, because like I said, there's stores and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I wanted to do that, I thought, okay, it's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have my dog go with me, because I'm scared.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm afraid now, because my dog is with me, so I don't go anywhere or do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would be nice to be able to not take him in public, but be able to just
[SPEAKER_01]: go down the street with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not afraid that he's going to bite someone or a taximony's dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, even I had, like I told you, my older service dog is a golden retriever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's 12.
[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, you want to have your hand, but he bit him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, because every day, every time I go into the bathroom, since I brought him home,
[SPEAKER_01]: When I go in there with OV, I do about 15 minutes of just the basic set, stay placed, like we go through a little bit of stuff while I'm in there every day, several times throughout the day because it's not the bathroom, we got to go, got to just work with OV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think what happened is OV then became just decided about him as his own and so all your came in one day, well, I always say that while I was doing something with OV and
[SPEAKER_01]: He showed his teeth and that was the first time I've ever seen him show his teeth to all there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, hey, you know, and I yelled at them and they should separate them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then he did, but all their like, he's the sweetest thing in the world, he's golden retriever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he was like, John Bugg.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he,
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, you better not do anything to him and he turned around and he got him right on the head.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm in my house, you're trying to throw myself on top of these two dogs, so it's a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a serious problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let me ask you this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever corrected him for this behavior before?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have and I have.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the thing I have in the moment when I can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are also times where I physically can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so those are the times that's scary and most because I'm not that strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say what you need to do is, and this is.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of like put the fire out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this isn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't preventative care.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is reactive reactivity care, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are not saying, hey, how do we develop a dog to make sure they never end up like this?
[SPEAKER_00]: We are saying, okay, the dog is like this, what do we need to do to put the fire out?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, a couple of things, E collar training, it should be definitely mandatory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think anybody that is in a wheelchair or even temporarily injured, that they can't physically, even for, you know, my, my big dog, like I use the E collar with him because
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just really strong, you know, and so the e-collar just allows me to hit a button instead of trying to fight this dog if he decides to get And it's not even about reactivity.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just about getting crazy, you know, and it's just a big dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: So e-collar training for you should be a top priority for sure
[SPEAKER_00]: that way, because it sounds like when he does react or he gets a certain thing going like he looked at your nephew or anybody else in the future, you need, so there's like this double-edged sword, I typically see that these types of dogs or this type of situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: really evolves, so it's kind of like the cause and the solution is the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the dog has now created resource guarding with you and you are going to start to see a lot of more resource guarding and other things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So once the dog, so it kind of perpetuates.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, in my opinion, this would have happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: with this dog likely, with or without you being in a wheelchair or not, I think a lot of what happens is I think a lot of dog owners don't set the tone for the dog in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I talk about this religiously, and this is just a perfect example of that, where
[SPEAKER_00]: if you don't tell a dog, I shouldn't say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't show a dog that you are in charge, if you will, or that you are a good leader, then the dog will start to become anxious, reactive, protective, insecure, or all of the above.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I quite literally talk about this religiously because it's one of the easiest ways to go around resource guarding in my
[SPEAKER_00]: to stop resource guarding and to stop your dog from becoming anxious and reactive is don't give them a reason to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so a lot of times when dogs start to get away with stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the cause of this stems from lack of accountability, lack of structure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, if you get even granular, it just keeps diving down into this this diagram of, okay, what's that mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: That means when you have, you know, for an example, you're in it,
[SPEAKER_00]: you knew what he was about to do and you couldn't do anything about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where these things start to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if the dog feels like they can get away with stuff, now it's not so much, oh look what I can do and you can't do anything about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more, you can't do anything about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore I need to do it more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so the dog actually will feel like that's why he looked at you and go, Oh, you don't know what you're doing mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're you're in secure.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't handle this because it'd be the same thing as having a substitute teacher coming in and the substitute teacher drops their stuff when they walk in and they get up and they're all fostered and they go my minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: My name is Mrs or Mr and the kids go.
[SPEAKER_00]: boom, paper airplanes, spitwads, think like, nope, it's all over.
[SPEAKER_00]: The gig is up, done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what people do with their dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They drop the ball.
[SPEAKER_00]: And depending on the dog, it'll predicate what the future's going to look like.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have a golden retriever and you do this, they have really great genetics, typically, behaviorally speaking.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're likely just going to be a sweet dog that takes advantage over certain things.
[SPEAKER_00]: They might not bite anybody, but they also may not come back when you call them or you know things like that and that's not devastating to people.
[SPEAKER_00]: They actually don't mind it, but when you have more of a working dog or even a dog that has the genetics to be a working dog and maybe they go, hey, I need a show up to work today, but they go instead of working for you, I need to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: really against you like I need to protect you mom because of these reasons and so it's this self perpetuating vicious cycle that people get into and that's where you're in is I can't teach the dog that I'm a leader and I can't hold the dog accountable
[SPEAKER_00]: blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it just keeps spiraling down.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, again, it would be, but there's a fork in the road here too, is just because you put in good obedience and you correct your dog at the right time and your dog respects you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't always mean that these things aren't going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, if you don't have those things, if your dog does decide to do it,
[SPEAKER_00]: You're a lose loose, which means let's say your dog just all of a sudden didn't like your other dog or didn't like new people for whatever reason has nothing to do with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your dog is obedient, your dog listens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now your dog is staring at this other dog and you go, oh, down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shoot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just so my point is is.
[SPEAKER_00]: you have to have good obedience in order to really get on top of this and you have to be able to hold the dog accountable, but there's kind of like this this fork in the road where a lot of times not having accountability, structure, discipline and respect with the dogs creates this what you're dealing with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to protect mom because she's proven to me over and over again that she's not good leader, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing, you know, if I always say this
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have I think 13 employees if I'm in the back of my facility in a car drive straight through the facility and I go guys, what do we do?
[SPEAKER_00]: One of my employees is probably gonna step up and go, all right here's what we do same same exact thing I mean I could go on a hundred different examples with kids and with people with animals with dogs But the reality is is the dog goes you don't know what you're doing and I need to step up Which is why we're resourced guarding because
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, sometimes sometimes it's also just the dog's personality and the genetics and you did nothing really wrong, but you still, but it doesn't change.
[SPEAKER_00]: You still need the same control because now you need to down your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to recall your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to tell your dog to leave it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That way if you're nephew pops in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hey, and Obey jumps up down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good, so you so you might not be able to change the way he feels about other people, but at least you have you know some good obedience and then there's they get very very very very very small percentage of dogs who
[SPEAKER_00]: go completely against the grain, but it's like one out of a hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so that's what I would say first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just off the rip, shooting from the hip is you need to re-establish your structure.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to re-establish your relationship because you're lack of
[SPEAKER_00]: your lack of accountability for the dog when you need the most is likely what's caused your dog's resource guarding to get worse or to or potentially it's why it started, which is more common.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's absolutely does and I know, I mean, I know it's my
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I learned from you is to stop talking to him like he's a person, because I do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to it all day every day because it's just me and him all day.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, just like with my, my babies were kids, like when my kids were babies, I used to talk to them all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the city and I, and I'm like, wait, I'm just doing, because you said I sound like the Charlie Brown teacher.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's the, and that's why I say that as like that's the best way to tell your dog that you don't know what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, if you have a golden retriever, then they're just not going to listen to you and they're happy and they're like, yeah, whatever, but then if you have a dog that is more on the protective and or working side where they're going, hey,
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, boss man, what do you want me to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is your gig and you go, well, I don't know what I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have to I'm not prepared for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they start making really out of character.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, why am I dog so sweet?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand why this happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they feel like they're so to you It's my dog bit somebody, but to him to obi it could feel like I was forced to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had no other option, right in that talking
[SPEAKER_00]: that talking just it drowns you out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the quickest way to get your dog to completely disengage from you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say this with the grain of salt because if you have really good foundation with the dog, you can read your dog mobile dick and it wouldn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that doesn't typically happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It typically happens with zero foundation, zero obedience, zero communication, and I'm talking to you like a human.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the dog goes,
[SPEAKER_00]: lady, I have no idea what you're talking about at all, and you don't stop talking to me, and you don't stop engaging with me, and it's like the Royal Credit Wolf, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just constant, constant, constant.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that way when you're like, hey, Obi, he's like, oh, I've already heard that 1500 times today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've completely drowned.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, listening to somebody, and you're like, okay, yeah, okay, got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: right, it's just, it like kids, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my, my way home, my, someone's like, why is this so far away?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are the doors locked?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, at some point, you're like, okay, yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've already answered 47 questions in the last 30 seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I'm just going to tap out here, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the same thing, like, so that's why that happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: So from here, you know, I, I, I really think that you, you just have to,
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's my, here's my, here's my, my game plan for you is, for an example.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what type of equipment do you have on him now when, when you're training?
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I have a hermsprunker color.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I use because they tried the slip with me when I went through training and I just wasn't strong enough to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, after where it affected him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that's where I just bought your,
[SPEAKER_01]: cut the 280c.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just bought it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't taken out of the box because I'm like, I don't know what to do this or yep, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what you want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for an example when
[SPEAKER_00]: When you, when you, so once we teach him the remote collar, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So physically, this is why I was to tell people to understand what the remote collar is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It gives you, it gives you so much more leverage with a big strong dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: So physically, when you correct a dog,
[SPEAKER_00]: The dog is going to respond.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's two things.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dog is going to respond on their tolerance of pressure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, with my giant 170 pound muscle head, he's not going to feel much like you really have to get on on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're talking to me type thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you might get a more sensitive dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it, and I shouldn't say it's like a size thing mostly it is, but there's also just sensitive dogs in general like their personalities.
[SPEAKER_00]: like my shepherd is very very very very sensitive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just have to look at her and she's like, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not always size.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is personality as well sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my point is the remote collar gives you a huge spectrum where you are limited with other physical pieces of tools by
[SPEAKER_00]: sometimes how strong you are and and also what you're able to do right and so in your case it may be difficult if he's at a certain angle and in the at least gets wrapped up or he's already extended and he's pulling or he's lunging or he's um
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, any of that stuff, it's tough for you to gain leverage, and that's where the remote collar comes in is because you can, you know, like I said, if you say sit, Obi.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, no, I don't want to because there's a squirrel, there's a bird, there's a person, and you correct him.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you correct him, you're hardest, and really what you're trying to do is really get his attention like, hey, and sometimes they're like, it's like flicking a whale, where they're like, they don't even feel it, because they're, and again, it depends on the dog, and it depends on the situation, because sometimes they're so locked in, and what you'll see is you'll see them sit really slow, but they won't disengage off the way they're doing, and their mind is trying to process.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody told me to sit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so I'm gonna start to do this but at any moment I'm you know if that thing moves or that thing barks at me or if that person comes a little closer They're gone and so the remote collar really just allows you with your hand to go from 0 to 130 like really quick by a push of a button So for you, it's a safety protocol for other people it's a safety protocol and even for obi.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a safety protocol
[SPEAKER_00]: So that way, again, like your nephew comes in, you say OB down, or OB come, and he doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the other thing is, is you're not always going to have the leash on him too, and the prom collar.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the E collar is really something you're going to wake up with, pop it on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be, you're going to clip your E collar to your pants or whatever, and it's going to be on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so two things happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: if he's a dog that his personality is like this is just who I am, I don't like new people, whatever, unlikely in my opinion, but I don't know him, but you have the ability, oh, become, oh, be leave it, oh, be down, oh, be place, oh, be stay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if at any point, he disobeys that, then you're able to correct him with a serious spectrum that he will 100
[SPEAKER_00]: And that goes around your whole property.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's the thing, is the unfortunate thing with the dog like this is if he disobeyed, it's not like, and this is important for you to understand, is if you had like your golden, for an example, and they were disobedient,
[SPEAKER_00]: worst case in area is is they go up and lick somebody maybe and you're like, sorry, and you put them back with him not the case right his life depends on it because you could either be sued or he could be put down if he bites the wrong person or the wrong thing or whatever and we don't want anybody to get hurt regardless and and and also so it's important to know that
[SPEAKER_00]: The seriousness, it's like jumping out of a parachute.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, do you have your parachute jumping in an airplane?
[SPEAKER_00]: So do you have your parachute?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, you really need to make sure that you are disciplined here, like really obedient.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's important for you to understand that when you tell him to place and stay, if he gets off and he doesn't, he gets corrected immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: And two things will happen is it's really important for him because his life depends on it, because if you bite another person, who knows what's going to happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing is, you could also flip your relationship around and stop this from all happening just by starting to put you back into the driver seat too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a win-win, because the reason why it happened is because you don't, you know, in his mind, he's like, you don't know what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in charge moving to the back mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: now you're starting to go hey at no bang correction he's like whoa any moves back and you go yeah see i'm i got the wheel back um i'm you know i'm i'm i'm back in charge and then the dog although i think a lot of times this is what i see especially with dogs who don't want to do this stuff they go i think god
[SPEAKER_00]: Whew, and they relax in their calm and they happen so many times at me watch my YouTube videos dogs come in look in like kujil And I just correct the dog once or twice and they take a nap and they're like thank God I did not want to do this and they kind of clock out They turn in their badge and they're like I can go back to being a normal dog again I don't have to protect anybody and you kind of take that weight off their shoulders So that would be the road map for you is
[SPEAKER_00]: High levels of obedience, giving you the ability to correct your dog under any circumstance and any environment to two things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he is super obedient, but he's just an a-hole, or he's like, I just don't like people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't like other dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes you can't change that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can only manage it and suppress it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just, that's just animals, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so there's that side of it, but then there's the other potential that as soon as you start holding him accountable and taking that wheel and showing him that you're the leader and teaching him discipline and teaching him boundaries and thresholds and You know that you're gonna hold him accountable for stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could completely, you know, it's like it can completely flip his mind around where he's like, yes, man, got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that would be ideal.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, considering his age,
[SPEAKER_00]: at this point, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like to me, it wouldn't matter if he is a really, really friendly dog deep down inside, or he's not, to me it's just right now it's gonna be management.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have to make sure that you are successful with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other big thing to this that I think is really empowering for most dog owners is just understanding that because he's,
[SPEAKER_00]: not going to be a service dog for you considering his bite history, and it wouldn't be safe for you either, you know, it's not even just about other people, it's like you don't also want to be read.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to give him the reins when he's making really bad decisions, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So the other thing is, yeah, it's not, it's like the blind lady in the blind there for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, I need your help and he's biting somebody and you're like, oh, god, here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, it would be more about
[SPEAKER_00]: you know managing so okay oh be I love you I you love me and I think you're a good job you're a good dog deep down inside but you for whatever reason are doing these things management is gonna be a big thing so stop doing your rules have to change and I'm sure that they already have but your rules have to change we're really you're very binary with it where you're going look
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody unless, you know, you are really comfortable, but nobody is going to interact with Obi because the chances of him making a mistake are high, and there are a lie, and the reward from
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for an example, can I pet your dog?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: In your head, you may feel bad, but it's like, for me, it's just, it's management.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to keep them under your thumb all the time because he's just going to keep making mistakes, over and over and over and over again.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to make mistakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it, and that happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just an aggression thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It happens, too, with even like puppies or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: You let him out of the crate and they go and they rip up something or something like, well,
[SPEAKER_00]: back in the crate, you know, you know, you just, you kind of, you know, you lost that privilege, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You give a kid like a, uh, an ice cream cone and they dump it on their brother, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's gone, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just one of those things, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So don't feel so bad that you have to manage him and, um, really, to keep him away from other people to be successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, that's the other thing is I think realistically,
[SPEAKER_00]: your goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can bring them out places, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can be around people.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you're, you should be limiting his interactions with people as much as possible to almost nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're out in public places, you're going to manage that with obedience and control.
[SPEAKER_00]: but the only caveat to that is because of his quick-fast reactions I would likely say the other thing that I would be doing in conjunction with all of this would be muzzle conditioning so that way you can have your cake and eat it too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah we do put a muzzle on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect so that so if you put a mozzel on them and he's obedient you can you can do anything you want with him that you would normally do And then you would just make sure people don't pedum or hugum or You know, but but but just being able to so I think you have a full circle thing where We're gonna be managing him to where he's not gonna be interacting with people and
[SPEAKER_00]: Things happen, mistakes happen, surprises happen, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: nephew comes in, that's where it's going to be, oh, become down, stay, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I open up my garage door for an example, my master, he plays with other dogs, he's friendly with other dogs, he's never had an issue with other dog, he can be reactive, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Per his breed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, for an example, he's off leash, because I'm getting my leash just together, and I'm in my driveway, and there's a dog, and I live in a call to sec.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a dog right there taking a pee in our call to sec.
[SPEAKER_00]: Burly down.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I use obedience to manage that situation, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I could recall or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's just an example of something that I pull, I pull that lever all the time where I, you know, and it's suppression.
[SPEAKER_00]: My dog wants to go and interact with that dog and I say, no, you may not, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So down and stay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, or my dog wants to rearrange my furniture by doing the zoomies around my house and I say down and say that's sort of thing so it's that's that's a lot but but here's the thing is right now you don't have that level of obedience and Even if like your nephew came in and you say oh become he's like I know what you said
[SPEAKER_00]: I know what you want me to do, but I'm not going to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the e-collar comes in, where you can nick them right there in the moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Boop correction, just like you had a perfectly time-pronged collar on wirelessly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where that's like an invaluable system.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's nothing else in the world that will allow you to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the difference between life and death with your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's running after your nephew because he thinks it's a thread or whatever, and you say oh become he's like nope Full teeth after this guy, and then you correct him and they just Boom shuts it down dog comes back and it really can be life saving Yeah, that's that's what I mean and like you're saying like I don't I don't think that oh we need to be friendly Yeah, yeah, I don't
[SPEAKER_01]: He needs like I want to give boundaries to other people when it comes to my dog to sometimes as you know, people don't even listen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, I just want to know that like if someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: was like, oh, can I put your dog and put their arm?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Say no, I'm for him to not, but that person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's where, so the first one of the fence is gonna be the muzzle, the second line of the fence is gonna be your correction.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for an example, you're sitting there and somebody comes up and you're not paying attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, can I pet your dog?
[SPEAKER_00]: By the time they're asking, it's too late.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he lunges, muzzle makes it safe, and then you're reaching to correct them and he's retreating, any stops.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you don't have the muzzle, he's likely going to, so that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a perfect point.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying is management and obedience doesn't guarantee success.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just makes it a lot easier for you and a lot safer for other people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you have level 3 obedience and your dog is super obedient, if the dog is in a break and somebody comes up and your dog doesn't like other people, they're still getting bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just because they have good obedience doesn't mean the dog won't bite somebody, especially if you're not paying attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like breaking into a Navy Seals house and they're not home.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if they were home, it'd be a different story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my point is, is your skill sets and your training, if you're not paying attention, it doesn't matter, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So those are situations where people that you can't control obviously are going to intrude on your potentials safety or the dog safety.
[SPEAKER_00]: and that's where the muzzle comes in and then after the fact you're kind of like using the e-colour to correct the dog right because at that point your your skill sets won't matter your training won't matter because it's not it's something that you can't really replicate in training and it's going to happen and as you know and so yeah so I think your road map is is pretty simple we're going to
[SPEAKER_00]: introduce the remote collar and work on high levels of obedience and go through the motions of desensitizing these situations so that like recall and and leave it and downstays and so on and so forth
[SPEAKER_00]: and really just managing him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you just have to kind of say, okay, this is a, you know, and I think with dog owners in the beginning, they feel really bad because they went from here's how the progression usually works.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get a dog, I treat him like a normal pet.
[SPEAKER_00]: As they mature, they start to change in their behavior and you're in this cross-gray area of
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I change the, can I take this Working dog or this reactive dog and keep the lifestyle as a pet dog?
[SPEAKER_00]: The moment that you switch and go, okay, we're treating this dog like a working dog and that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Life gets easier because you're like, create training, Create training, walk, create training, but it's not going to be like your golden weather just.
[SPEAKER_00]: free around the house, doing whatever they want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is more structured and it's more disciplined.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just because it's like the difference between a nerf gun and a real gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I mean, like you have to make sure where is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's around it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it safe?
[SPEAKER_00]: So when and so forth, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where were like a nerf gun?
[SPEAKER_00]: You could care last.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in the back of the closet and it doesn't matter, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's just no.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's like the golden versus the working dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that golden's can't be working dogs because they can but I'm you know what I mean so so I think that that's a really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Healthy thing for dog owners to realize is once they're in that gray area of trying to make this like squeeze this square into this circle hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they go you know what.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, be here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just how your life is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that that's helped me tremendously with my master because for a long time, I was just trying to make him like a pet dog and a family home, and he's just not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe when he gets older, who calm down a little bit, and he won't be as disruptive and whatever he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But right now, like, I'm so happy with my working dog rotation with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I'm not with him, he's in his crate or he's out in the yard or whatever, but he's not to be, you know, left alone because he'll get into doing the trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's just getting the trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even like it's not even about me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he gets himself into trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he'll go and like the other day he was in the crate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I let him out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I turned around a flip a couple eggs.
[SPEAKER_00]: My son's crying.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's ripping up.
[SPEAKER_00]: This, I got you early, it was, yeah, you were out for five seconds, dude, back into the crate, because I just don't, I didn't, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, that's not a, it's the same thing for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a personality thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a training thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like you're failing, you know, but, but you don't have, so the difference there, just to get granular is in this, this is applicable to like, if my dog goes and rips up a crayon,
[SPEAKER_00]: that's not a training thing because I can turn around and say, leave it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He'll spit it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say, come, he'll come back and then that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: His so same thing with OB is his going to get a crayon is like just kind of waiting for somebody to enter the environment and then reacting or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't have the differences is you don't have the advanced obedience to deescalate.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the difference so like if you if you let him out and he in your and Obi's tune on a cranny you said leave it He's like Make me so that's a different thing right so so my point is is I think you should just
[SPEAKER_00]: really managed him right now and we need we need to be able to hold him accountable in a way that you actually can right where right now he's kind of blown you off which again could be the reason why all this has happened in the first place he's like I can get away with this um i mean he's my my husband he's he's really good with my husband and i have to sign i have to team well one of them was downstairs but he's 19 and 16
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that my 16 year old with the first time ever on the basis.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a no go.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a line that, that's a line that, yeah, you just, yeah, you have to, so again, like personally, and I've said this many times.
[SPEAKER_00]: you have to just really make the decision here of how this is going to go because in my opinion, there's three ways, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: Three ways this is going to go and some of it is predicated off of you and some of it isn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it that's in your control and some of it is not in your control.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first way is is you start training and all of a sudden your dog goes think God
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm calmer, I'm overlaxed, I'm not as reactive, I'm not as aggressive, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're taking the real, the dog's getting worked, we're desensitizing, we're teaching him the different, because that's the thing too is you can't really correct him in these situations either.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if he snaps at your son,
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, to me, I would be, my hand is on the e-collar when he's around people that you're comfortable with and at any moment, he makes a bad decision, you're holding him accountable for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's the thing is if I said, has he been corrected for that stuff?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, because he's never been on leash when he's done it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even if he was, he's extended on the prawn collar and I couldn't snap it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, it's like, well, we haven't really punished him for doing something there for he doesn't maybe know that it's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's an option.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the first option, is we start correcting him, we start holding him accountable, we start giving him discipline, and it's the same thing, you put a kid through bootcamp.
[SPEAKER_00]: The point of that is for them to, yes, sir, yes, man, they're waking up on time, trying to boot, it's going to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just what that does, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: For the most part, kind of just rinse and repeat.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why that happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the second option would be
[SPEAKER_00]: Just high levels of management, right, where you're just really managing him and you're making sure that he is under your thumb at all times because the alternative is he gets put down because he bites somebody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, the quality of life isn't going to be as good for him as if if he was just like your golden, where they can just roam around the house and be in normal dog, but he hasn't earned that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, you know, it's like, well, why the prisoners in there, it's like because they made bad decisions like they had an opportunity and they messed it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's their fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're being held accountable, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So same thing with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: is if you let him out and he makes a bad decision, if you keep letting that happen, it's on you, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so I would be really having your own, him under your thumb, and then the third option is really just, you know, talking to the, the breeder, do you still communicate with the breeder with him?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do they think about all this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I haven't told him about the bite.
[SPEAKER_01]: I told him when it was starting to get like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it basically is just like, okay, just keep up with the collar and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I think I was not able to like verbalize properly or explain to him was like, if this stuff isn't happening when he's on leash necessarily, this is, that's happening that I can't get to him in time, and I, and were even if he was on leash, like one time he was, it's just, he just, it didn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would be pretty, you know, in my, I would be pretty open with your breeder about this, too, because a lot of good breeders are, they care, they want their dogs to succeed and oftentimes a good breeder, a reputable breeder will help you, or even take the dog back, because one, so my third option
[SPEAKER_00]: because he's, if you're not able to keep him under your thumb, or if it's just the wrong fit, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's the thing like, you know, no bad dogs is my brand, but
[SPEAKER_00]: it's hard to say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have a dog that is the wrong fit for you and your family, it is totally okay to be like, hey, this dog needs to leave my household because if you can't create a safe space for the dog,
[SPEAKER_00]: the dog will end up being put down because of your lack thereof and again that's it's advocating for the dog it's advocating for you and it's advocating for everybody that lives around you right and that's in your family and that would be a totally responsible and right thing to do
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not your saying, this dog sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, hey, I got this dog to be my service dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's biting my dad in the face.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not what I signed up for.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you take this dog back?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's on the table.
[SPEAKER_00]: You shouldn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to, but it's not your fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that is those are the three options to keep everybody the safest and really it's a ladder I think it's meaning it's kind of like let's try one if that doesn't work Let's try the next let's that doesn't work then the third option would be trying to rehome the dog and a lot of times like I said And I've said this openly before like
[SPEAKER_00]: If my master became aggressive with my kids, he'd go right back to the breeder instantly and the breeder would be like, I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got kids like that's a no-go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a working dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got them to protect my kids, not not infiltrate, you know, the kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's a completely different thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, and again, it's not like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say, hey, it's a terrible dog or this is a bad dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, hey, man, that's what you should talk to your breeder about to say, hey, this is not what I signed up for this is this home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I signed up for a service dog and this dog is not that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this dog is going to end up killing himself biting the wrong person or biting the next person.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, in order for me to help him, stay alive, I want to return him back to keep him safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the best thing that you can do for him, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's not, that's not you going, I can't handle a German shopper, or whatever, that has nothing to do with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not normal German Shepherd behavior, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this isn't you failing, or you not having enough, or you not being able to train the dog,
[SPEAKER_00]: This is you quite literally saying, I need a service dog to be a service of me and now I have to worry about my dad getting bit in the face or my kids getting bit in the home.
[SPEAKER_00]: So don't don't don't don't have that on your shoulders that if that's in the that is in the cards and you do explore that that is not you're you're going to feel bad of course because you love your dog, but
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not your fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just it's a personality.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's genetics.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's breeding.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I'm talking about like breeders, typically who are responsible at the call and just good people.
[SPEAKER_00]: They stand by their dogs, which is why I always use burly as an example, just because he isn't pure bread.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a good relationship with the breeder.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just, same thing with Lakota, like, my Duchy.
[SPEAKER_00]: If she had at any point was nasty, you know, it would be an easy, like, I'm protecting you by getting you out of my house because now you're mean to my kids, or whatever, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so before you make a mistake and end up youathing eyes because you bit one of my kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm removing you from the situation and that is the more responsible thing to do and I think dog owners like get that mixed up where they yeah and I see it on social media too all the time even see it with me when I'm you know with with training dogs and people are always like really fast to be like oh you know and I'm very open as a professional who is an expert in behavior
[SPEAKER_00]: It's better for the dog to re-home the dog for a better opportunity for a quality of life of the dog and a safer life for the dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's not what you signed up for, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, like, especially for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I always talk about like, I got a protector dog and if my dog ended up, if I needed to end up protecting my family from my dog, it would be like, okay, you're gone, but for you, it's even like you got a service dog for a very particular reason and that dog is flunked out of school.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have every right to go, I need a new one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually did a video on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you saw it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a video on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should check it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a difference between a working dog and a pet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I talk about this often where people in the dog training space, they'll get a dog for sport work, like rather it's spite, white work, or police work, or even like frisbee work, or trick work, like if a dog comes and we pay all this money for it and we're like, okay, you know, because there's some people who make their living off of, you know, God forbid, like you needed to bring him into work every day and he started biting people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you go, okay,
[SPEAKER_00]: So now I'll have a service dog and I can't even go to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't pay my bills.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't buy groceries.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a new dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that is, that is the norm in the dog world.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just pet owners do not understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you re-homed your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: How could you?
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't put enough time and effort or no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this isn't that.
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't, well, my dog got too big.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to re-homem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or my dog has stinky farts.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to re-homem, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, I got this service dog and for you,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so important for you, like you have a dog that you're relying on and now you can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're more nervous about, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: So those are just things to consider.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have some options when you come this weekend and we're going to work through those options.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that would be like the three things that we need to work on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll see how he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sometimes dogs surprise the heck out of us and they just calm down and they're more relaxed.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, but regardless, I would contact the breeder and just say like, hey, how to couple things happen, you know, and yeah, and they shouldn't, you know, they shouldn't shame you or anything, you just say like, hey,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going on, but he bit my dad in the face for protecting me but my nephew snapped at my kids and just say like I'm going through professional training but you're getting scared and just see what the reaction is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll either be like not my circus not my monkeys or whatever or not my monkeys not my circus or it'll be keep me posted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me know how it goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me know if you need help and it just kind of depends on the person to be honest and how they're set up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a reputable responsible breeder because even in my contract, for an example, it's like, if you ever don't want this dog, it's mandatory.
[SPEAKER_00]: You give it back to the breeder, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And some people are adamant about that, but other people are like, you're problem, you know, and that's just, I don't know, it's kind of a mixed feelings, but anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just wanted to have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I will contact him with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, plus this is what you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very funny because like we started watching and trying to figure out what to do with my dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the name of it was Upstate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm from one island originally, but it lived over here in Jersey now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have like Upstate.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I imagine he was right upstate New York and I could just go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So should I start trying to use the color on him now or wait?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're coming Thursday, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would just start putting it on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't turn it on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just start putting it on him in the morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of keep it loose.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, put it on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Getting to get him used to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Start doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Thursday when you come,