Episode 3: An Egg Yolk a Day Keeps Mastitis Away

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I'm Jane
Messineo Lindquist and this is Madcap

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Radio.

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Today, I'm joined by my good friend,

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fellow dog breeder and nutrition
guru Magda Chiarella.

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We're going to be discussing the pros
and cons of giving sunflower

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lecithin to your lactating bitches
to help prevent mastitis.

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This is a fabulous episode,

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but it is a bit of a deep dive.

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So before we jump
in, I'm going to give you

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our conclusions
and recommendations up front.

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And then if you're interested
in the science behind our reasoning,

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listen on.

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So here we go.

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Although it's possible
that sunflower lecithin

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might help prevent some kinds of mastitis,

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we do not give it to our bitches,

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nor do we recommend its use.

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The reason for this is twofold.

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First of all, lecithin

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has some potentially severe
gastrointestinal side effects.

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Things like nausea,
diarrhea and general stomach upset.

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And you know, you're
introducing these side effects at a time

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when it's often a challenge
to get bitches to eat at all.

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And then that can snowball and cause

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your bitch to become hypoglycemic,
meaning to say

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she can get low blood sugar,
she can become dehydrated,

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she can become nutritionally deficient
in certain really important things

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that can cause disorders
that are as bad or worse than mastitis.

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So again, yes, while

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sunflower lecithin potentially
could help prevent some kinds of mastitis,

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in this case,
the cure might be worse than the disease.

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Second, the good news

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is you have much better dietary sources

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of the active ingredient in sunflower
lecithin.

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It's not lecithin

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per say that helps prevent mastitis.

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It's choline.

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And choline is just one
component of lecithin.

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There are much better
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food sources of choline
than sunflower lecithin,

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and they don't have those bad side
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The standard recommendation
for a medium size

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bitch is to give 1200 milligrams
of sunflower lecithin per day.

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You could get the same amount of choline
that you're getting

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from that 1200 milligrams of sunflower

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lecithin from any of the following:

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one egg yolk or

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one and a half ounces of beef liver

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or three ounces of beef muscle meat,

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or one
fifth of one batch of mother's pudding.

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What you can begin to see is
if you're already feeding your dog

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a whole food diet.

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They are getting tons of choline,

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much more than you could ever hope
to give them through sunflower lecithin.

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And it's coming in a form
that's nutritious, comforting,

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and actually contributing
to the well-being of your bitches

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rather than making them feel terrible.

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So our recommendation is
if you are feeding a whole food diet,

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continue doing so, maybe adding

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an extra egg yolk or an extra
serving of mother's pudding.

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just to turbo boost that choline intake.

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Now, if

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you're not feeding a whole food diet,

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then our recommendation is to supplement

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with the small amount
of these kinds of whole foods:

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an egg yolk, some mother’s pudding,
a little bit of cooked beef liver,

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any of these will have a choline punch

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equivalent or far exceeding
sunflower lecithin.

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So that's it

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in a nutshell.

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If you want to hear more about mastitis,
what causes it and why, we think

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scientifically choline may be able
to prevent certain kinds of mastitis,

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listen on.

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Welcome to Madcap Radio.

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Today I'm joined by Magda
Chiarella of Dig-N-Pop Norwich Terriers.

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Magda, welcome and thank you for coming.

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Hi, Jane. I'm very happy to be here.

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I think it's safe to say, Magda,
that mastitis has been on our radar

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as dog breeders
and as educators for a long time.

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It has.

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When you think of the worst case
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you know, you can lose the dam.

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You can lose the dam.

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Speaking of people losing their dams,

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there was somebody on the Puppy Culture
Discussion Group recently

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who very

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unfortunately did lose her dam
to mastitis.

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And the conversation

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rose up around it
about things that you can do.

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And somebody said, well,
I give 1200 milligrams

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a day of lecithin.

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This is something that's borrowed
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body of knowledge on breastfeeding.

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The human breastfeeding advocacy groups

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talk about using lecithin as a supplement,

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and the argument is that it makes milk
less sticky.

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And less
sticky milk would prevent blockages

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that might lead to mastitis.

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Okay.

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So before we go any further,
I think we need to talk a little bit

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about what mastitis is
when we're on the topic of the

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lecithin supplementation,
we're speaking about

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a very specific sequence of events
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Exactly.

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So one of my co-owners is a OBGYN

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and her brother actually
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so he was a great resource for this.

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And the way he described it is, well,
first of all, the actual milk is up

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in the body, like in those ducts up there,
like close to the body

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and then coming down from there
he said, it's like crape myrtle.

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It's just it's not like a clean four lane
highway.

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It's like all these interlaced branches of

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of delicate ducts just coming down.

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Right. So

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what happens is

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it's very easy
and they do expand and contract a lot.

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So it's very easy for one to get just

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a little bit too

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expanded
and then sort of get caught or hooked.

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Oh, or his,
he put it to embarrass another one

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so that it prevents it from

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emptying.

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And when that happens,
then the milk starts backing up in there.

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And if you're lucky, you can feel it
and you can do compresses and work it out.

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If you're not lucky or you don't
feel for it and you don't find it,

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it can now start harboring
infection, right?

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And infection can come from, it's
in the air., it's on the puppies toenails.

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It's everywhere.

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I mean, it's naturally occurring
in the environment that the animal is in.

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But the point is, the more you can keep
the milk flowing through

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and not have any of those back ups, your,

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you know, gaming the system in your favor.

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Right.

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You're you're lowering the chances.

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It's not the only way
that they can get mastitis.

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It's not a guarantee that she won't.

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But by keeping that milk flowing,

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you are

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improving your chances
of avoiding that kind of mastitis.

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Is that a fair way of describing it?

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I think it is.

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And we should maybe

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clarify that mastitis

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can have other underlying reasons,

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but one of them is blocked milk duct.

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Right.

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And we're only addressing that with this
and also that mastitis, you know,

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there's a I think they call it milk

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stiasus or something in humans
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okay, there's a blocked duct
and it's inflammation, right?

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Then it gets blocked.

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It gets inflamed and then it gets
more inflamed because it's blocked.

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It gets more blocked.

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More inflamed, and that's a problem.

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Then there's actually having an infection.

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Mm hmm. Which is a separate issue.

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And then it can go septic,
it can go into gangrenous,

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like the tissue can actually die.

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And that's where you see
those really dramatic, you know,

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bitches losing half a breast,
all turning black and everything.

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So what we're talking about
is can we avoid this dramatic

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insult, you know,

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where we have this result
from a blocked milk duct?

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And will lecithin help?

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Reduce the possibility of that happening?

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My question is, should I be
giving lecithin to my my bitches?

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I mean, am I missing out on something?

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And so to back into
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what would the function of giving it be?

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And the function of giving
it would be purportedly to thin down

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the milk, make it less sticky,
and make it flow easier

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so it's less likely to cause a back up,

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which would cause a blocked duct,

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which then would be more likely
to be like a petri dish for infection.

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Is that fair to say?

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As far as what they say,
how they say it works,

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right?

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I just want to talk about
whether we feel lecithin

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actually can help

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prevent mastitis
based on the research. And

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we could actually find

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a lot of well,
we found no human citations,

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nothing in the human or in dogs, really,

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other than anecdotal.

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The National Institute of Health, I think

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does like a yearly survey of lecithin.

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I did find that and and it's use

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in this context and they said, no,
there's no evidence that it works.

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It doesn't mean it doesn't,
but nobody's proven it.

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So there's in some no evidence that

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lecithin actually

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does have this effect on milk,
or at least no, I should say

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studied in, studies that prove it.

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That doesn't mean it's not true.

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There's just no studies that prove it,
which is a very different thing.

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And it's one of those things
where it seems to make sense,

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but we really couldn't
find any studies on it.

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But this is interesting.

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In the course of

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looking for studies
or cross-referencing all these websites,

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I did find one breastfeeding advocacy
coach

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that said, you know, it's not lecithin

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that you need, it's choline.

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And that's exactly right, because ...

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What is choline?

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Choline is something that is within
lecithin.

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It's one of its components,
but lecithin and choline

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are not exactly the same.

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Choline, is what you were describing
everything you said

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that lecithin might be doing, that,
you know, emulsifying effect of making.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Perhaps choline that's one of these
components of lecithin.

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And actually there are studies that

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show choline specifically choline
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not for reducing incidences of mastitis.

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In cows. In cows.

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And we had to go to the money animals.

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We had to go to cows.

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There's nothing in humans, right?

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Nothing in dogs, right. Anecdotal right.

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And Magda has an anecdotal
that I'll share in a little while, but

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so choline

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we did find this one retrospective study
that talked about it

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and they did find that choline reduced,
among other things, they were.

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Giving dietary choline to cows.

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And those cows
that, you know, upped their,

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intake of choline had much less

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often mastitis.

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And they did say in the study that
they don't know for sure why it works.

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They know it works.
They don't know for sure why.

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Well, they had a couple of guesses,
the hypothesis.

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So one of them was that choline is known

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to bind with cytokines.

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Cytokines
are these messengers of infection.

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So cytokines. Inflammation or.

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Cytokines
kind of tell the body to inflame.

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Interesting.

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Basically tell cytokines are messengers.

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So cytokines are these protein
signaling proteins.

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That's what they are and
they tell the body there is an infection.

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You know, in aisle five here
there is an infection in the rest ...

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left breast and the body rushes to create
inflammatory response.

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Okay.

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So now just walking it back
to remember our description

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of what we were talking about
with how mastitis happens.

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You can block the duct
by putting pressure, it blows.

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Inflammation causes the it can cause
embarrassment of one of the other ducts.

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Right.

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One can just swell right over and so.

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Mechanically. Mechanically close it.

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So that's one of the possible.

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Cytokines
takes those pro-inflammatory things out.

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Exactly.

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So those screaming proteins saying
inflame, inflame,

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which is not a good thing for a lactating

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individual.

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Interesting. Okay, so that's one way.

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And then what what else did they and.

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Another way is that basic

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chemical binding

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of choline with lipids, lipids are fats.

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So fats within milk will be transported

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along smoothly out. Right.

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So in other words, in some,

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reduces inflammation
and makes the milk thinner and slippery.

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Exactly. Yeah, basically.

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So they don't it hasn't been proven.

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They don't know for sure that that's
where they then test the milk to know

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if that's but that's their hypothesis
and it's a pretty good one.

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I thought it was interesting
that they also use choline

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for gallbladder disease,
because that's something in dogs

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that sticky, Auggie had that,
they can get a sludgy bile duct.

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And so I guess it helps thin it out.

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I think we just have to talk
a little bit about the

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just in lay terms about the mechanics of

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of what lecithin and choline

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more specifically do, which which is that
they're what we call emulsifiers.

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Right.

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And that means they can bind both to water
and to fats.

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Well,
there are different kinds of choline.

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Okay.

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So the body produces

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phosphatidylcholine, and acetylcholine.

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And one binds to lipids,

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fats, and the other one to water
soluble is water soluble.

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So acetylcholine is something

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that actually affects even brain
and some other tissues.

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Okay.

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While Phosphatidylcholine

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binds with fats
and helps to transport them.

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So like when you get your salad dressing

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and you know you're prepared
salad dressing has lecithin in it.

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Is it having both types of choline
that allows it to?

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It does.

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It does.

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But what we are interested in that PC,
phosphatidylcholine,

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that's the choline that binds to fat.

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And as a fun, fun fact, it's also what's

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injected in cosmetic procedures
that melts the fat.

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Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. So.

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So there really could be something to it
as far as making the milk thinner,

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less sticky, right flow easier, right.

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So, Magda that that brings us

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to the $20,000 question
and the $20,000 question is,

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should I

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be giving and recommending
that people give lecithin

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to their lactating bitches.

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Lecithin has a potential
of being beneficial.

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However,
it has some undesirable side effects. Oh.

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Some severe cramps, digestive issues,

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nausea, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea.

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So it's not a benign supplement.

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In fact, this unfortunate breeder
that lost her bitch that wrote in

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said she had tried lecithin
and it made her bitch throw up.

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And I think it's worth
just mentioning here that especially in

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the first few days, you can have anorexia
in your bitches anyway.

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I mean, they cannot want to eat.

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So adding lecithin.

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Yeah, right. You know.

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Well, so what do we do?

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We should consider

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going straight to the source,
going to sources of choline.

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Okay.

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Choline is a natural compound,

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and there are natural foods
that are very high in choline.

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Right?

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I mean, is that as good, though,
as, you know, getting that 1200

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milligrams of lecithin?

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I mean, can you really get it from food?

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In my opinion, it's much better.

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Choline.

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in natural form exists
in high concentrations

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in foods that dogs easily absorb

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like eggs, interesting, liver, beef,

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fish, everything that dogs readily eat.

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Choline is very

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bioavailable from those sources
and obviously

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there is no stomach upset with eating what

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the stomach is designed to eat.

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Okay.

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So I'm going to kind of like close
the circle here a little bit

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on this particular thing
because I, I found the same thing as you,

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which is that, in fact,
and we're going to talk about the numbers

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- eggs, liver, beef, have has

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much more potentially benefit in terms of

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just the amount of choline
and the bioavailability of choline.

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So why then are

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women told to take sunflower lecithin?

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And the answer is
what they say is modern lifestyles.

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I mean, women are afraid of eating

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fatty foods who were on these
this whole low fat thing.

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They won't eat egg yolks

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because they're worried about
the calorie content and the cholesterol.

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And I'm just going to throw
it out there, unless you have

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a specific

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sensitivity to dietary cholesterol,
the cholesterol in eggs

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are not going to raise
your cholesterol. But

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the point is there was so much resistance

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and just unwillingness of,

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I was going to say breeding females,

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you know,
women of childbearing age to eat a diet

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that was sufficient in in choline
that the medical

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and national health establishment
just sort of threw up its hands

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and says, here, just take a pill.

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I mean, please just take a pill.

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But, you know, it's dog breeders.

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Our dogs aren't worried about their body
image, are they?

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If I think of an obstetrician telling

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a lactating mother,
please eat some beef liver.

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Right? Right.

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And if I think, you know, as a contrasting
to that as me offering beef liver

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to my girls lactating you know bitches

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that's a very different response.

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We're going to talk about
some different sources.

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Well, you mentioned that
the whole discussion started with somebody

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posting online that they are giving 1200

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milligrams of lecithin to their Labrador.

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I believe it was a lab. Right.

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So a medium sized dog gets
1200 milligrams of lecithin.

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So let's back up a little bit.

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Lecithin has a few components,

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choline being only 13% of.

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Oh interesting. What lecithin is.

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So not not that much in there.

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Not that much.

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Probably cheap and easy to manufacture,
though.

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Right? Right.

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So let's compare it to an egg yolk.

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Okay?

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An egg yolk has on average 115

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to 120 milligrams of choline.

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So just to put it in context,

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1200 milligrams a day, 13% of that

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of the lecithin is 100.

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That would equal 156
milligrams of choline.

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So you got 156 milligrams of choline

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versus 115 and one egg yolk.

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Wow. That brings us right back to mother's
pudding, doesn't it?

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It sure does. Right.

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So we are typically feeding

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at least two egg yolks

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in our mother’s pudding a day to two hour
medium sized batches.

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Plus she's getting egg yolks. Right.

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So that's a big hit of of truly.

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Bioavailable. Choline.

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functional functioning.
Choline functional.

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Choline.

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Yeah.

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I would like to share
my personal experience with that.

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The only time that I in ten years of
breeding, had a case of a blocked

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milk duct, not mastitis, but you.

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Caught it early on. But it's. Early.

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It was in a mother in a dam

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who would absolutely refuse
any drop of mother's pudding.

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Oh, that's so interesting.

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Study of one, but.

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Study of one.

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However, out of.

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A lot of litters, she was the only one.

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She was the only one.

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So it fits.

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Yeah.

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So I just want to recap in closing because
my question here is very specific was A.

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Should I be giving lecithin
to my lactating bitches and B.

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Should I be recommending
that people do it?

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And I think me personally,
we've established

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that the diet that we give
with the amount of egg yolks

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and mother's pudding and meat and liver
and everything, there's no way.

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I mean,
we are already giving so much choline.

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It's crazy. Now,

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as far as recommendations,

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our first recommendation is
if you aren't giving those kinds of food,

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you know, add a couple egg yolks,
you'll be okay.

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In the form of mother's pudding or in

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whatever other form you're comfortable
with adding eggs. Yes.

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You’re, if you're not familiar

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with mother's pudding,
we have it on the Puppy Culture website.

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I mean, on the discussion group, there's a
there's a recipe card there.

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We're not going to go deep into it,
but it's a it's a postnatal

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energy boost food for for dams.

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But so okay.

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So if you are feeding a natural raw diet

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or cooked diet
as Magda does, you know, you're good.

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You're you're getting of it.

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If you're feeding not that kind of diet,
but you add, you know, do some add ons.

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You're good. Right?

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If for any reason you're not going to do
either one of those two things.

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I mean, maybe it's a rescue organization.

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You know, there could be
any number of reasons why this could be.

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I mean.

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You were lecithin
Going through chemotherapy.

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You weren't you were feeding kibble.

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And, you know, so we're not judging
we're not judgy here.

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But if you're in that position,
definitely adding lecithin,

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if your bitch tolerates
it, well, could help.

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It could help.

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It would probably have
those side effects at,

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so if you could substitute it
with an egg, do it.

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We recommend it. Yeah. Okay.

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Thank you, Magda. Thank you, Jane.

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It was great.

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It was.