Die Hard with Debra DiGiovanni

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Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have woenium, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best start changing it with the beck dol Cast. Good evening, everyone, and walk up to the show. Please let me walk up the stage, Caleta Jamie. Welcome, Yes, thank you. How are you guys? Are you guys good? You're good. We are celebrating our one year anniversary. So thanks for coming out and celebrating with us. Has everybody heard? By round of applauses? Everybody? I heard it before? Or did you just wander? Okay? Okay, so by round of applause? Who has never listened to an episode of the beckdel Cast? Oh and they're all sitting in the front row. Good, so we can just stare you. But actually you wouldn't understand this is a reference to a past thing we've not Yeah, just a few things. Probably going to mention Alfred Molina for no reason for I mean, but like I think the list of reasons not to talk about Alfred Molina is very short. Yeah. Yeah, For those of you who don't know what the Bechtel Cast is or you're like, hey, what am I getting into when you talk about the portrayal of women in movies? We do it film by film. Every week we have a new movie that we tear apart, and then our fans are like, oh, thanks for ruining this movie for us, and today will be no different and hearts will be break and hearts will be broken today. Yeah. So we've been doing it for a year now. I've had fifty two individual different guests. They've all been great. If they were men, they for sure interrupted us many times. Oh yeah, there there is not even the male guests we've had that are near and dear or hard great friends. There's been I mean no short of five times where you're just like and the PA triarchy is back, like yeah, actually, here's what I think about Harrison Ford just like like it's it's been a real years. Hands. Also, if you know you're like what Bechtel, what does that mean? I'll tell you who it's. And she made a test called the Bechtel test, and it requires that a movie has at least one scene where there's a single conversation between two women. They have to speak to each other, and their conversation has to be about something other than a man. Preferably those characters have names. Yeah, we we prefer for them to have names, just as you would in real life. There's what if people like what if someone went back and they're like, the Becktel cast is never because they're only talking about Alfred Molina. Honestly, I think that Alfred Molina is an exception to the test. And if it's two women with names talking about Alfred Molina, it's stiff has test personally. That's my belief. Sure, so all it takes just for the record, because I feel like we get this uh a lot is It only takes two lines of dialogue. It doesn't have to be a whole scene. Just literally, Hi, Caitlin, shut up. Jamie passes done easy every day with that many times. Yeah, we've had that very conversation leave my home, you know. So that's all it takes. Hey, should we bring out our guests? I think we should. This is our first time second time whoa, this is our first second time guest on the Bechtel Cast, big on or really a band or not? For everybody? Oh I see, okay, it's our first repeat guest. Yeah, so this is our first repeat guest. You heard her last year on Our Love Actually episode, lots of hearts were broken because that movie is garbage. It's a bad movie. It's bad for women, it's bad for the world. But we're so thrilled to have her back. Yes, sure, should we say in unison, I would love to please welcome. Hey, does everybody want to give a big clap for goodness? Hello? Girls, good to be back, good to see you, Hello, live audience, group of humans, a full How are you? It's a very stress name. It's a lot. We love your name. It's perfect goodness. Okay, well, so how are you doing a quick checken? Yeah? I'm good, Yeah, good, everything's fine. I have a puffy eye. Let's move on. We're talking about we were talking. Don't no eye contact? I got it in my rider. Yeah. Also, you'll turn to stone apparently, that's what I'm saying. It's good. I think my hair looks a little better than that. But let's move on. It looks great, but I got not what's important. Okay, we're talking about die Hard? Has everybody round? Who has everybody seen Diehard? Yes? I heard round of a place. Who has not seen die I got a bunch of people in the front row. Yeah, like people are here to be seen and bullied. Yeah. Sorry, Wait, you both clapped your hands for someone who has never listened to the podcast, nor have you seen die Hard? Amazing? Do you know where you are right now? There's the last live episode we did. My mother was sitting in the front row and she was loudly antagonizing us for the duration of the episode and hitting on our guests very aggressively. Oh she was there. She was like, she just kept saying, just screaming it for no reason. I know, it's nineties. It was yeah, I'm sorry, I am now Jill screaming and then yeah, and then our friend was flirting with our friend who later was like, do you think I have a shot? Oh my god? Who was the guest who was flirting which listen, Oh no, that's okay, it's triggering. He's my dad now, so he is just my actual father. This podcast is ruined my life. I have a father who is my age. Yeah, he takes me out. We played basketball together. So die Hard, I will do the Lynn's famous recap all right? Uh And as always, Caitlyn's recap was made to be interrupted. Yes, although I read I wrote something out this time, and I might just read it because I didn't. I wanted this to be a really good recap for you guys. I'll suck it up anyway, doesn't it doesn't matter. So the story of die Hard a Christmas story? It is? It isn't. Yeah, let's put that to rest. It's a Christmas movie. My recap does start with It's Christmas Eve? Is it? I don't even know when this movie takes. Okay, it's Chris Christmas. Okay, that's my thoughts. I already have a problem. Okay, three words into it. Work party on Christmas Eve? Right, Susan true? True? And then we see her call her kid and she's like, you're not home on Christmas Eve and she's like, to deal with a bitch. Passes the Pichtel test, but not good parenting. So it is Christmas evens. Yes, I also found that area doesn't pass like it's definitely, it's definitely. It feels like passes, but it doesn't right right right right, So it's like, I don't know, five hours or something. I don't know. Yeah, it's just a bad party. Just just if you've ever been at a shitty party for five hours, you've pretty much experienced die hard to the recap RecA Okay, okay, sorry Christmas Eve and John McClane is a New York cop flying into l A to see his wife Holly. He's got a big old bear and he's leering at women at the airport. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's on an airplane with a gun and he's like, no, it's fine, I'm a cop, just hanging out of a holster, not even properly stashed literally just in his pocket. Yeah. And then immediately after that he yeah, he just leers at a woman. So, if you weren't sure if this movie was going to be about toxic masculinity, the first five men from one of the fight attendants, she leers at him. I think, yeah, that's the first one. I made a note. I wrote it down, and we hear, and we heard. The Bettel cast love the objectification of and this is a good movie for male objectification. There's a lot of Bruce Willis just from a story perspective, slowly getting Nooter. It's a metaphor, but also he is stern actively castle uncut version it's cut. Oh never mind, stop, let's move on, keep going, keep going, chock recap right, right, I'm one sentence into the RecA. So there's a plane, there's a gun. There's a gun, and a man who names John McClane. He goes to his wife Holly, who's at a work party at the Nakatomic Corporation, which is a trading company. What do they do, trading cards? Trading cards? It's pokemon, it's I don't know what it's. I don't know what. It's a business company. It's night it's night eighty eight. It could be anything like it could legitimately be anything. For sure. Everyone's high on cocaine. Definitely, yes, without doubt. So he goes to this party in a giant building I wrote down. In the middle of the party, about a dozen German terrorists show up, led by Hans Grouper a k a. Alan Rickman. This is I'm so glad I wrote this down. It's going so don't understand. There's like a visual reality. When you said Hans Grouper, people started like shifting in their seats, like they had to change their underwear or something. They're like, I don't get it, and I think it's anonymous with a villain. Now Hans grew Yeah, Like people are just they're just because Marty for grew. But I think it's because Rickman like plays such a good villain and this might be one of his first villains, you know what I mean. So now it's I'm just saying I don't know anything. I do not like Allen Rickman in this movie. Well, okay, there, we'll get there, We'll get there. Okay. So the terrorists take everyone at the party hostage, but they weren't counting on feminist icon John McClain being there, and he really throws a wrench into the situation. The terrorists locked down the building and they're trying to break into these vaults to get hundred and forty What what about the part where he's in the taxi, the limo? Maybe yeah, with our gyle, I'm gonna skip over some stuff. We're already forty minutes the show. We've not talked about anything, can't other for three days. Okay, there is a part where he's in a car. Okay, keep going, yes, yes, okay. So the terrorists are trying to get these Bearer bonds. I think, uh sixty million dollars worth of them. The company's ceo again, question Mark, I don't know what anyone does Joe Takagi. Um, He's like, I'm not going to give you any information. So he gets shot in the head. Meanwhile, feminist icons yes exactly. He kills this very Aaryan looking person, and then he says, a sweatsuit and a sweatsuit, a gray sweatsuit. I would love to kill a man in a sweatsuit. He kills him by throwing him down some stairs, and then he sends what I like to call an elevator graham to the terrorists. Uh. And there's a little like sign on in this I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho ho. Alan Rickman sure knows how to make a very short line last okay. McClean is like trying to get the cops to come, and no one responds until our pal, a sidekick, Flucky Sergeant Al Powell ak al Pal he arrives with the scene and then he and John become best friends bromance, right, and it's like via the lips at the end. To be honest, they really connect over a walkie talkie conver station that all of the terrorists can hear, and they don't even try to hide it. At two different times, Al says both I love you and it's a date. Yeah, it's like, I didn't remember the depth of that. Absolutely, they're a better match than John and his own wife. Then mcclan gets his hands on the terrorist detonators, Hans throws a fit, the FBI shows up, some explosions happen. John's foot is bleeding a lot. I love the part where he's being very dramatic about his bleeding foot. Yeah, he's like, tell my wife, I'm sorry, and it's like you're fine, You're like he gets a little like foot scrape. He's like, oh my god, this has actually been really hard on me. An, I actually don't know if I'm going to freaking make it. Yeah. And then finally the terrorists were able to break into the vault to steal the bonds that they're after. Hans discovers that John McClean is Holly's wife, so he's like, oh, I'm gonna kidnap you now, and then he takes her gun point and then I forgot to finish writing the thing. But we never know how, we don't all we'll never know pretty much. Yeah, he's like, oh, I'm gonna kill your wife, and then John's like, yippy kaye, motherfucker any right if he said fatherfucker toxic masculine it, yeah right. I actually don't know how the logic Networks taped the gun to his back with bloody, sweaty back and somehow he's with I don't know what like he's taped that is physically impossible. I don't care much Yoga McLean does. There's no way that he's done that. I never thought of it. But that's totally sweaty and it's not happening. Yeah, I'm sorry, scientifically speaking, right, because yeah, there's no tape that unless what if he like put it all on the ground and then like laid down on it up. No one is laying onto a gun that John mccle he needs to save the women. You think that he's lightly planting him his torso onto a gun, a loaded gun? What else? How else? Okay, you know what I'm in movie magic, alright, So yeah, then he grabs the gun that he's lie down to. The tape left only two and he uses them both so wisely, and he kills the bad guys and then saves his wife and then everyone's and then at and that's pretty much the end of the movie. There we go all right. Anyway, thank you, this has been fun. Thanks and so Deborah, what is your history with this movie? Now? Okay, this is this movie was made in right, so, like I was a young person, I was at high school, and it was it was a big movie, like I think I remember like it was all the boys favorites. Everyone loved it. It was ya motherfucker like, oh my god, at nausea and it was it was really like it was a super popular movie. And I remember like rewatching again thinking to myself, I liked this movie. I really did. What oh no, like it was. I was shocked to see how it really doesn't hold up. But in we loved it. It was great. The boys love to love. People still do love. I mean, would they make seventeen Diehards now like they made five six five? Right? So as recently as like what year four years ago? You know I'm making that up? Is that even I like less than ten years ago? Right? Yeah? Like die Hard with it with a vengeance? Yeah, god, you know what I mean. I like to chill out. First of all, the title die hard is like, what does that even mean? It's hard to die? It's hard to die? It's not apparently I've been thinking about it a lot. Okay, so I was like, maybe it's they have die hard beliefs, right, and then I but then I thought about I was like, no one in this movie has diehard beliefs. They all seem pretty willing to just be like, oh, that person is dead. Well, I guess this is my friend now, like they're everyone is constantly. John can't even explain why he wants to stay in New York. He's like, because I'm from there, and uh so I said, fuck my wife and fuck my kids, and I'm not gonna move. That's not a die hard belief. That's just dumb. Yeah. So it's not that people are they're dying in ways that don't seem easy. I guess that, right. Like German. Let's say the ballerina, the professional ballerina, you know him, the one the long hair. He was, he was a ballerina. Let's move on. I don't mean to alarm any It was big in the eighties. Let's move on. I think he dated Jacqueline bits that I'm an old woman. Let's move on. All right, back story, he's the one that gets hung and then lives, so it was hard for him to die that he's the one that comes out of the end, another very aryan looking person. Yes, right, okay, can you say about Grouper's accent, like, is he he's a british Man living in Germany or something, because he's British the entire time they speak Germans. We were right, Caleen and I were watching this movie the other night in her bed, as we do most episodes. There. No, but his his accent is crummy. It's bad, really, it really is. Yeah, it's just him. I think that is was Frickman. He was British ry. Yeah, I think it was just him being him and then every once in a while German and then he would do at some point someone would give me. I posted something to that effect on Facebook recently, and I had no less than six men being like, actually, he's actually very authentic and good. Here's the lake to the thing. It's just like I'm gonna kill you, Like they're just this. I didn't even realize we did our Love Actually episode with you. This is the second Ellen Rickman, Christmas Rickman and Christmas what Okay, we're gonna have tore The third one is gonna have to be may he rest But we're gonna have to figure something that we'll have to get his Christmas movies or something. And in front of it, yeah, because I mean, well in last year, like late twenty sixteen, you had to every time, was I think every time way said Alan, people were like Riman. Now it's the end of two thousand seventeen and I feel fine being like I don't like it in this movie Rest in Paradise. But I didn't like it, bitch, I did not like, did not like it. I don't. Yeah, his his accent is super because the German people he's with are very clearly German, like they are laying it like there their German. And then he's he could take it or leave it enough for a German accent. He's like, I'm not gonna try, and a half trying is not in his rider. Jamie, what's your history with the movie. I only saw this movie two years ago, and I went like shortly after I moved here, and I lived with this woman who was very exhausting, and she was just like, you haven't seen the d and so then she made me stay inside for a whole night and watch this movie with her and her ex boyfriend, and I sat in between them, and then you know, he left and she was just like, why were you flirting with him? I was like, I was like, I wasn't you made me stay here? So I saw it two years ago. That's my whole history with Amazing. I saw, I think for the first time, probably like ten years ago. I didn't grow up with the movie, but I've only seen that. You watch it, do you remember, like was it your choice or yeah? Because I was like, I was getting her master's degree. I need to watch a lot of movies telling me in screenwriting, in screen right from Boston University. From Boston University, you have a I don't like to bring it up. What sorry? What was it? A masters in screen Wow? That's can we just give her a quick run of a plane? Let's give it up from our higher education? Yeah? Wow. So yeah, I was just like, I have to see so many movies. And then I just watched it, and my feelings are that it's not a bad movie. I generally enjoy the first forty five minutes of it, and then I get pretty bored of just like, oh, it's John McClane running through an empty room again and he is talking to himself a lot. Yeah, so, yeah, it's always too macho for me. I think, I don't. I don't remember. I don't. I don't think I ever saw the second one, but I know what took place on a plane, an airport, airport, the whole thing. Well, and we do know in the second movie. This is as far as I looked into it, but we do know, which directly affect how we view the end of the first movie that he does end up moving to Los Angeles to be with his wife, so, which is good because he couldn't explain why he was doing what he was doing in the first place. He was just like, I'm an asshole, and so at the end he's like, my wife is smarter and has more money than me, which you know, men don't like. Very It was all very like semi disgusting though, when he's talking to the guy on the plane about his wife and she got a job that turned into a career, like a bit, how dare she? You know what I mean? It's like that, It really is. It's all like my little woman is working and it's it's it's really and that conversation kind of carries over into the next thing with Argyle, where Argyles like laughing at John and saying like, oh, you thought she was gonna like fail and then she'd have to move back and be with you. And he's kind of like, He's like you definitely was like seventeen. I don't think he should be a professional limo driver, but does he have a driver's to be honest, Yeah, but it's really kind of grossy in a icon Argyle Actually no, he he talks about he's what's the point where he's on the phone and he's like, yeah, bibb, I would never lie to you over I was like, oh, man, I've dated him first, so to piggyback on what you were saying. Yeah, So there's a whole subplot. I like to call it John mcclean's insecurities about Holly Gennaro Yes and her career because he has the conversation with Argyle about how he's like, I didn't think she was gonna be good at her job, and then he finds out that she's going by her maiden name and she blames it on the fact that it's a Japanese company or something. Right, Yeah, it's like they're Japanese. They don't want me to be married. I'm like, what does that mean. I don't think that means unclear. But then you find out all this stuff about her as a career woman. She's the director of corporate affairs. I read it on the door of her office, or they don't tell you you had to research. Look, I had to Everything business like in this movie is extremely right. Director of corporate affairs. What is that? Did you see the watch? She got a fancy watch? Right, we'll give the little lady a little little sparkly like, because that's sparkle to keep her quiet. I don't know. And it seems like no matter what your title it because director of corporate affairs. And they were like, her specialty is negotiation. And then but then there's the the the who he's like, also, my skill is negotiating, Like, do you guys all have the same? Are you all interns? Yeah? What is this? What is sisipany? I don't know. The point is that a lot of them do talk about how skilled she is at her job. So she's established as like a professional, capable woman. So we're like, hey, cool, that's the scene at the beginning when they're like looking down at the Christmas party and you he Hawlly like screwy through the crowd and she's still working while everyone else's partying. So that shows you she's not like professional. I think she might have been carried like like a clipboard or something, you know what I mean, because she's a lady at work, a corporate affairs, a chess. There are many sheets a paper on that clipboard. Very very business, no time boys, there's affairs to be corporated. I have to go staple stuff out of my way. The first time he's here, she's being actively sexually harassed. That's the first time he was like, she's like notice so that they don't show her face like the first The first with her is douchebag like just being a disgusting pig, and it's just the back of her head the entire time, so it's like they don't. I just thought that was creepy. And then in a lot of movies we've done, there's like very intentional reveals of like and the twist is she's gorgeous. Like there's that twist a lot. My My favorite one that we've done is in JELI when Larry Jeeley because that's his name, Larry gee Lee answers the door, and it's like, oh, there's a woman here, who is it? And then she turns around she says hi, and it's Jennifer Lopez and you're just like, oh, she's being a flu But with with this shot, it's weird because there's not a lot of intent because it seems like something's going to be revealed. It's like, Oh, we're following this attractive woman who's being harassed, and then she turns around and she continues to be an attractive woman who's has there's no reveal. I think maybe just the DP wasn't very good in this movie, or just couldn't make that day. Maybe that was just a wig walking a floating wig. But Bonnie Badelia couldn't make it. It's her real name. Let's move on, do your homework. Where is she? So the next major plot point that happens within the subplot of him being very insecure about her success, is that John McClain and Holly have a conversation where here's just like, you're going by your maiden name, what's all that about? And she's like the Japanese company thing doesn't make sense, don't worry, and he's like, well, you just did whatever you wanted, no matter what it did to our marriage, and she's like, you have this idea of our marriage and blah blah. And I'm doing a great job recapturing the magic of that scene. But kind of the subtext is that basically thinks that she chose her career over him, and he's very threatened by it and very resentful of it. And he is basically there to be like, you should I don't know, quit your job and come back to New York or I don't know coming back to New York. Does I'm fighting crime over this? And she's like, actually Japan and he's like, oh fuck. And then it goes to the bathroom and then the movie starts right he takes off his shoes, which becomes a major plot point very much. Yes, I love when he cries, just so many crazy he's like my feet. Um, if you've seen I heard, which most of you have, Holly is not on screen enough in the movie. There's like she's on screen I think cumulatively for maybe fifteen minutes, and that's being very genus. Yeah, but this argument between them is interesting because it's it's hard to tell from the standpoint of the movie whose side we're supposed to be on, because it's clear that John is it like, in the wrong in terms of like she is doing very well. There's even the people who were actively harassing her are saying she's great at her job, which is, uh, you know, that's another thing, but there, but you know, like, she's clearly very good at her job. I love how that scene at the end is interrupted by her assistant who's like, they need you to talk to the troops, and then she says, sorry, John, the troops need me. She leaves, where are the troops here on Christmas Eve? I don't like by standards, I genuinely was not entirely sure. Are we supposed to be like, oh, John's totally in the right, and she's being such a shrewd by saying I want to have a life, Or are we supposed to think, wow, John's being a baby and he should put his shoes on. I mean, kind of hard to say. I think you could probably argue that the main demographic that this movie would appeal to is like adult men slash teenage boy liked boy. Yeah, you know, fifteen year old you know what I mean? Horny boys, horny boys. There's some boobs, you know what I mean, there's there they're so they're going to plug themselves into John McClean and being like, oh he's cool, so they're probably gonna align with his view and be like, oh, his wife's just being a little but even though clearly like, let's be honest, what do they get in New York for a cop salary? Like, let's be honest. Where they're living, you know, I mean they're in Queen's and like a two bedroom apartment, and she clearly had the guest room, you know what I mean, they're probab in a house in the valley, and she's always look at the guests room. It's it's it's the room. I mean, clearly, it's they're doing better. They had a housekeeper come on and then and then also and then are like yeah we've ma there's that part in that scene where he says like, oh, something about Topoma and she's like, um, Pomona. I was like, Oh, she's a little kelly bitch. She's totally adapted. She's looked there for two seconds exactly like you're gonna want to take fountain. You're just like call down my good right, So yeah, who side are we supposed to be on? Hard to say, I think probably most people watching this are like, oh, John McClean the hero, my hero, he's great and I But by the end of the movie, that subplot basically resolves by him thinking he's going to die because he has a foot wound because he got cut glass forgive me. He's talking to his al pal and he's like, tell my wife, I'm sorry that I was being a jerk and I should have supported her more and been behind her. It's a very long message, isn't It's no way he's nailing He wait aute, what was it? He was? Give me a second. I should have written it down. I mean, there's no way. Just like I'm sorry, and that's it. He's also working, so you see this like, you know, John going to this character arc where he's like, oh, I realized I was being a total asshole. And even after that fight he has with Holly, he is like all barefoot and he's in front of a mirror and he's like, oh, good job, John, real mature. So I think he knows he's being kind of a dick, but he's still is, you know, initiating a fight for no reason because there's a moment where she's like, I've missed you. He's like, well you didn't miss my name. He's like, couldn't you, Like I don't know, say I miss you too. Also, what's with this name thing that you're doing? Right right? Yeah, there's that. That was a moment where I was just like, like everyone's had an argument like that where it's just like just take the wind, just like what are you doing? Yeah, I don't know. That was like one of the parts of the movie that I didn't remember where he's like constantly sort of berating himself either for making the masculine choice or not making the masculine choice, where he like brats himself for yelling at his wife for not keeping his name because she am his property. And but then at other points in the movie he like burrats himself, you know, in like Shakespearean monologue, which we're just like, well, this is what the world is. Like he just yell at yourself, but he like buriates himself for not acting more violently and acting like in a more protective way. So I don't know, I I he was more complex than I remembered him being. I think the whole movie is actually more complex than I remember that you might assume just on first glance, because I think this is a movie that doesn't necessarily mistreat women. It certainly doesn't know portray many women, really treat women, Yeah, it just does. It just doesn't. There's not women in the movie. So it's not as though the women in the movie are what few there are, are being mistreated by the narrative. It's more a movie that just sort of glorifies hyper masculinity, but then also doesn't because there are a bunch of different types of toxic dudes who are very toxic in the masculinity. Like we have to walk past the topless girls in the on the wall the pictures like says hide when then comes back and says hid work like talks to the topless pictures. What is he like puts his hand on it and he's like girls, It's like what why does that happen? He kind of comes back and it's like hey, babe, Like he like talks to it, like he's having a relationship with it, and it's it's weird. Call this movie complex though, Let's just go back. You do well here, get ready for there is like that's like one of those things that I love to picture them, like male screenwriter in Israel, Like, that's fun. That was a jerk off motion if you didn't know, Yeah, sorry, uh yeah, it's an audio podcast. If you can tell from my very saliva heavy gig, that was a jerk off spot on spot on. He's like, I got him good, but let me here here I come defending myself. All right. I made a list of all the toxic bros in the movie's Oh my god, wow we suck well. We first of all, we have the businessman cokehead bros. We have those, and those bros are pretty universally punished by the world of this movie. Yeah, we're like we're coming off the Reagan era. Everyone's like, actually, fuck these guys, We're just gonna murder. So there's is it Ellis Harry Ellis is the name of the character whatever he's hitting on. He's the one hitting on Holly at the beginning, and then comes in later he's like, actually I am a bit of a negotiator and he's you know, Alan Ray or whatever is really you know that there's some choed out there right now with a T shirt that says that, you know, like just not to trigger any chide listeners. Us. We have a ton If you're a chode and you're listening, stop listening, but ahead or stop being a chod. We need the listener. Okay, So the toxic bros in this movie, Yeah, Harry Ellis who just high on cocaine the whole movie, so broie that he thinks he can all smart this group of like mercenary harass yea and then gets murdered because of it. There's Dwayne t. Robinson, the deputy chief bro who was just like he's the guy who he's like the police chief who like won't listen to reason because al pal is being all like hang on, like don't send the men in, and he was like shut up. He might just be a bartender, the guy with the hair who's like don't Yeah, that applies to a lot of different characters. So I'm not sure if the girl who don't do that? Yeah, sure, I love that guy. So they're saying there's Thornberg, who's the TV bro who wouldn't do anything for a story. And then there's all the all the Feds are losers. Yeah, there's the terrorists bros. And the biggest bro of them all, and they're literal bros. Like some of them actually some of them are brothers. Yeah, don't kill the bros. Bros get pissed. So the movie makes a point to like show these like toxic dudes. I mean, like they're bad, but this other one named John McClain, he's good. It's yeah, it's very selective about like this is the kind of hyper masculinity that we love, but don't do business. That's stupid. It's weird. Yeah, but that's why I say the movie is very complessed. Extremely. I wanted to talk about this scene where it's another time where we see Holly be very competent. There's two scenes where we see her doing her job, which is negotiating. The first scene is when Alan Rickman is really overdoing it and he's he's strolling through the audience. He's says sixteen words. It takes fifty hours for him to do it, but he's he's trying to figure out who Holly's bosses. Uh, And she she touches him like, she takes his arm as if to say, I'm negotiating. I don't say anything, and then he does. He goes against her wishes and it gets him killed. So that's the first instance we see of Holly. You know, we're like, oh, she was totally right to negotiate. She had the right instinct. She had the right instinct. And then there's the second scene with Holly and Hans Gruber where she likes the way you said that just I was doing my best giving it. Uh. But we see Holly and Hans Gruber talking and she does her job, which is negotiate, where she says, hey, there's a pregnant lady and she's tired, and Alan Rickman says, Okay, I'm listening, and if you don't want it to get messy, you better start bringing us to the bathroom and groups right right, He's like, thinking of that, I have to be and let's make it nice, right, I was squatting over a plant in this party. I'm talking right there, go to the bathroom. Although it would have been very exciting to see with someone pan a terrorist, definitely I would have imagined, okay, there will be no question of like this is a feminist text. If a pregnant woman pissed on a terrorist, that would be yeah, that would would I would get nice twisted the movie when like all the ladies are ladies dropped trout when everyone just started peeing. Remember the ters would fleet, they don't panic, fleet, drop their guns, and the movie would be over. Remember that sad They would just be like, Oh, that's the movie where all the seven months pregnant women piss on terrorists. I love that movie totally. Let's do that director's cut. Surely that footage just hit at the cutting room floor. But yes, that is the scene where I think we see Holly kind of at the peak of her powers. Because so often in movies like this, women be hysterical women women no one faints. I don't think in this movie, so women be a damsel in distress, which happens to her a half hour later. But in this scene, like the scene with her and Alan Rickman, I really like because she effectively negotiates. He listens to her, even though you know he's a terrorist and he's like needs to be pissed on, but like he he says okay, and they negotiate, and then that's the end of the scene. And I guess my problem. I do like that you see her take an active role and do something. The trouble is it doesn't really have anything to do with the plot, so we could cut that scene out of the movie and it wouldn't make any difference. Basically, that's a good point. And then there's a moment later on, as you mentioned, when she becomes a dance well right before that, she's in the room with Hans and I think this is after he has learned who she is, that she is John mcclean's wife, and she's very different if everyone was texting each other instead of on public walkie talks. But she said something like, all of your posturing, all of your speeches, you're nothing but a common thief. And then he wigs out, he and he runs over and he's like, I'm an exceptional thief. How dare you that's like every man in any situation? How dare you emasculate me? I'm great at what I did. I once dated someone who I corrected because he said the wrong thing in a McDonald's drive through, and he was like, I've actually always prided myself and how well I order things, So actually you wanted to mcdouble. I heard it, and you will eat it anyway, That's what I thought. Yeah. Sure. So he kidnaps her then and he's holding her at gunpoint. So John McClean has to do the thing that drives me nuts, where he has to save a woman who's in the damsel in distress. Uh, and he does it by you know, pulling the gun at he's taped to his act by lying on the ground and with the tape face up. You know how we've all done that. And then uh, he shoots Hans, and then there's he has to save Holly again. Whenever Hans is kind of like stumbling out through the window, grabs Holly by the wrist and he's like about to pull her over the ledge. So John McClinton comes and he undoes her Rolex watch band and then the watch flies off and then Hans falls and we're like, ya, I argue too that that's like a symbol role ax off of like this thing you just got for I mean, like logistically we know he has to tear that off, but I think it's like that's what she got for her good work. And he's throwing that right, and he's like funck this, And she wouldn't have thought herself, dude, like hey, he's got my watch, let's undo it. He was like out of the way, little lady. I'll do your watch for like that was. That was a symbolic I wrote that down too, And whether you know the filmmakers intended for that to happen or not, me is a good audience member, was like, this is my brain seeing this visual symbolism, Killen, you're really putting that master's degree to right, right. But the other thing that drove me not about that moment is that why couldn't she undo her own Like, why couldn't we give her that moment exactly? She couldn't have been like, I've got this one John Flank and then there we go. But no, he's got to do it for right. So it just drove me crazy that she didn't get her own big moment like that, because you know who else gets a moment like that for no reason? Pretty much everyone else in the story. He and even less screen time than Holly, I think. But he was like, let me crash, and yeah, they make it, let him be a hero. Totally. I forgot that's Holly does get a moment like that. But for me, it's like rang kind of hollow where a Holly she punches the journalists in the face at the end of the movie. But for me that that I was already incensed at that point in the movie because it's set up so many times where she's like Holly Jenny a Holly Gennaro, and we know the moral of this movie is take the man's name, you belong to him, So like, you know that that's coming, and she's gonna be like Holly McClain and we're like, welan hand her own armies, and that's like the moral of the film. So it's already mad because you know that's coming, and by the time she punched the journalists in the face. But it's also just kind of something we've talked about a lot before, of like giving a female character and action to do in order to impress the men around her that has no bearing on the plot. This happens in action movies all the fucking time, just like the fucking McSweeney's article that we talked about. Every single kick I'm a woman and I'm going to kick one time, and all the men are like, whoa, we take she's hot and she kicked one time. We take her serious, now, like and that was how that one the one physical action and she also she only takes physical action way after it has any bearing. Stakes are non existent now because the movie is over the tourist danger. If she would have killed the last guy, that would have been good. Yeah, that would have been good. Oh but I I liked that al did it. I don't know. I likened like his shots. It would have been better if it was just one shot and he killed him. What do you do like? He unloaded like four or five shots? Like seriously, that's why you re at a desk out. I'm just saying, you know what I mean? Sharpen up man? Why is an ol chief? That's why? Exactly he's a bad shot. He killed a bystander and broke a car window and then finally got him in the shoulder. Can we talk about the surprise kiss that happens. Let's do it? Okay, like blank and you'd miss it. But when John mcclen first arrived at the party, a man grabs him, says Merry Christmas, kisses him on the cheek and then his face. He's just like just like what a mail man, a man, a human man and a man kiss me all. It's all. It's all very like oh l a flora U West Coasters, what's next? Keen wa like it's the whole thing, you know. Yeah, although we didn't have keen in the eighties, but whatever, Yeah, that that was a fun I was fully ready for a surprise gets to happen in this movie, as happens in almost every movie that we've seen. Almost every major release of the past one hundred years features someone being kissed at random without their consent. Of the time, it's a woman. Every time we talk about surprise kiss, I've just you know the movie I write the Mommy, Mommy to talk about the money. Well, Brendan Fraser is literally in a cage, completely feral, just lunges at Rachel White and kisses her and then she goes, oh, it's my bits the best moment in cinema, sol Right, this is the first male on male surprise kiss that we see. Um, so I just wanted to point that out that history was made on the Bectel cast just now by us talking about this. Uh, it was still fucked up and consent important. But also, boy does Bruce Willis think boys kissing his gross? Oh? Can we talk about One of the other few female characters we see on screen that has a speaking role is the emergency responder woman who's very bad going on with her now completely enapt but you didn't know what. They gave a lot of, like the voice over parts to ladies, like the dispatcher in the car, the women. There was a lot of sort of like you know, disembodied female voices. Yeah, that's a lot. I mean, I feel like that's a lot of a lot of disembodied female voice. Has a lot of dissiploded female body bars, a lot of screams that a lot of women got to scream on camera and one lucky woman came. One lucky woman got to scream and have her tits. What a gift. Amazing role. They're a housekeeper. I think probably had more. She did, had more dialogue than like Justine. The top ten minutes of this movie have the most female speaking roles of the entire movie. Where we hear Holly talked to her assistant, we hear talk to her daughter, and when here talked to her housekeeper. They all have names and you're just like, WHOA, maybe this is the bet And then John mcclaimed person. He's like, why don't you have my name? And forty five hours because this movie is very long. He's just like it's just me now on the screen, no women allowed. There's every time because I watched this movie twice before we recorded this, and there there's like a thirty minutes where I was like, not bat I was just pacing. It's just like, oh, maybe Bruce Willis is skipping around. I don't know what he's doing, cartwheels like. There's just a long string of time where he's talking to himself and murdering, but which I don't find very compelled. I don't know. But his tank top though, goes from pretty pristine and white to a little bloody to instantly black with dirt. How did it get there? What happened? And then goes back to being a little less dirty and like kind of white again because they take it off at some point, and then he takes it on. Oh he has it on at the end, doesn't he does? He has a jacket on. But the point is we do see nipples, and it's important you get nips of all genders, are right. But then the scene where you see the like the bear lady's breasts or the lady's bear breast is how you say that not a lady bear? Yeah? Right? Although how many apple does a bear hat. I mean, no one knows, No one knows. You can figure it out to a bear to counter simples. Okay, I'm back, all right. So you see the woman's bare breasts and fine female nudity whatever. If it happens for no reason like it does in this movie, pretty annoying. But if we are going to see it, let us see some like male size or something like like I was going to argue from very early in this movie, we see Bruce Willis's chest hair. Fully, it seems that it's been teased out words his body. That seems like that was someone's job, definitely, because then later you're because, I mean, my impress at the beginning watching it this time, I was like, wow, he must have a lot of chess hair because it's like he can't control it. And then later when he takes off his tank type, you're like, oh, there's really not that, but what is there is just six inches extended from his body. It's like, you know what Somewhere they cut and they're like, can someone get on his chess hair? Get on hair for prom can we get there on his chest hair? We would like a full perm It's with the eighties. They didn't know better, they didn't know lu I loved Bruce. I'll say I loved Bruce Wallis's voluminous chess hair. I thought it was great. Can I say that there are hardly any women whose names that we know in this movie, But there are three different men who have the last name Johnson that we know and they talk about it a lot. And there's Agent Johnson, Special Agent Johnson, and Harvey Johnson, the like newscaster on TV three guys with the last named Dick. She was pretty much, this is Mr Penis here, and he is business and he is money. Did we know the pregnant Do we know the pregnant assistant? Or was she just name Jenny? Yeah, we know her name? Yes, yes? Oh. I wanted to go back to the so the emergency responder woman who's very bad because John McClain is like, hey, we're having a terrorist attack and she's like, doesn't sound like it, and there's like rapid gunfire and she's like, I don't think so, but maybe I'll send a cop over. And it was just very frustrating to see one of the few women on screen who has a speaking role be very bad at her job, like aggressively to the point of like, is this it clearly wasn't her first day she was in charge? Actually was? And and and also to see because Bruce Willis's character is very frustrated with her and he's like, come on, dude, dude, send the thing. And it's like, I'm kind of on his side, like why isn't she doing her job? Unclear? Who knows? We also see I've done a few places, we see women who are not hostages in this movie, or as I like to call them, full titty hostages. We have we have Lucy McClain, the daughter. We have the housekeeper whose name is Paulina Paulina. We have the emergency women and her coworker who were both like, um, what is a gunshot sound like? And then and then there's one female on screen journalist for a split second movie who yeah, who delivers Hey it's almost Christmas, And they're like, Okay, we've had enough women, let's get let's cut back to another person named Johnson. That's for sure as a movie populated by almost entirely men, because all of the dozen terrorists or men, I think, all of the cops, all the l A p. D, all the FBI you see, or all men. It would be so easy to have like one of the Johnson FBI people. I feel like they would have done that now, like and I think in action filmmade in the last five years, one of the terrorists would have been a woman. For sure. She wouldn't have said anything, but she could fight. She would beat when I'm the girl with her thighs. Yeah, that would be her gig. You know, I am kicked lady, absolutely, but she was all She would also probably be the leaders like lady, you know what I mean. It would be a moment where he'd like make up with her and then kill a man and make no mistakes. She would be very hot. She was deadly hot. And then and then then one of the cops would have been a woman as well. Yeah right, but never the main, never the main. She would have been like she'd be like, like, it's my first day. I'm not going to be able to do much. Yeah, so we do a car. I'm gonna stay in the in the car. That's think of the bit. How far we've come in thirty years. Hard no woman could be around, but they cannot speak or do anything. I'll have to admit that I I've only seen die Hard too, and then none of the other sequels, So you in the audience probably have seen more clap if you've seen a die harded sequel. Okay, yeah, really three? I saw three, and then I think I saw the one with I think Justin is just as long as the number four, number four. I saw three and four skip two. But I saw three and four, And I know there's a fifth one, right, there's a fifth. There's because there's one. There's one die Hardest, die die Hardly, I think die Hard. I think there's also one. Remember when Bruce Willis was like, we're not gonna swear in this one, and then there's no cursing in one of them because it was the whole thing was motherfucker fucker. And then the next one was all like gosh, darn it. You know there was a lot of that. Yeah, I hate that. I don't remember which one was, might have been five. I think terrorists stink, they're they're rotten to the core, those jerks, right when people shoot their lover's sake, when they do it, that was always. Yeah, I love God, I love I wish I had silly fruitcakes. I wish I had seen Die Hard on like a cable edit, because there's nothing better than reaction. I think I brought this up multiple times, but I saw Kill Bill for the first time on on on and there's that great. I mean, it's great both ways. But the scene and Kill Bill one where he says, my name's book I like to fuck right on TND. It's fully dubbed, well enough that until I saw it on DVD, I did not know my name is Buck and I like to go to parties. I was like, Oh, what a very thing, same thing. What a strange light of dialogue. There's way too many syllables. One syllable go to parties, four syllables, Like well, that's pretty I mean, I guess that we know who this character is now, but but he's about to die. Why do we need to know? Another one less point I wanted to make is that we often talk about how women of color even have less representation than white women in movies, and this is for sure true of this, although there are several men of color with pretty significant roles between Al pal Ceo, which is the black hacker on The Terrorists of Things, Argyle Takagi, the CEO question Mark don't know what everyone who works there's got a question mark next to their job, and then one of the special agent Johnson the Johnson's whereas, Okay, yeah they're not right, you're not wrong, but correct me if I'm wrong. I think the only woman of color screen is Paulina housekeeper, so all the men, I think the one screaming woman in a crowd. But that's right, an extra. It did seem though that um, all of it was kind of like a gender split, men and women pretty balanced out of the people who worked at the Nakatomi Corporation. I didn't I didn't notice. I I spotted five women at that party, spotted fire in too bare breasts or as you put it, a beare woman's breasts. Yeah, but they're they were only as by my account, there was only like five or six women at the party, which I'm sure represented about how many women would be working at a business business corporation at that time business company there. There weren't a ton of women at the party, unfortunately. Yeah, I miscounted. I have a master's agreen screenwriting, not math. But yeah, it was just I thought worth noting that the one woman of color you see on screen has you know, she's a housekeeper, nothing wrong with that, but you know, in a leadership role or anything like that, whereas you have you know, cops and FBI dudes and stuff like that. Yeah. So but technically does pass the test thought because they there's ladies have conversations. Yeah we will, we will get yeah, yeah, well we'll we'll break it down. But before we do that, should we do our game? Yes, let's do it. Okay, So God, so it's all imes house. So we're like, hey, let's do something. So something we like to do on the Bettel Castle lot if if you're a listener, is we like to call various toxic men feminist icons for fun. So I devised a game for us to play featuring a bunch of men that we've discussed either today on a separate episode or just I wanted you to look at the picture of them, uh, and we'll have our guest Debora determine if they are a feminist icon, a queer icon, or trash that belongs in the garbage. Uh. And then we're going to consult with you guys to to see if if you agree. Unfortunately, whatever Caitlin and I think is the answer, all right, So if we could just go to the first slide, John McClean and die Hard, how do we feel feminist icon, queer icon belongs in the garbage? I would say just because of the tank top queer icon. Am I right, there's a there's a lot of tank top. Well, what do you guys, what do we think queer icon? I think queer icon? I think whatever? Next one, Gerard Butler has Fantom of the Opera. What do we think, queer icon, queer trash, trash show? He's a queer icon. Look at his mask. He's holding a roast show cash and this is Jim Carey and Jim Carrey's show boats for a hundred twenty minutes to the delight of no one, and how they he's a garbage that belongs in the trash. Am I right, yes, that's correct. Adult grench is trash. Next slide, Hans Grouper and I heard feminist icon, queer icon, garbage that belongs in the trash? Really testing your how in the trash? What are we thinking is icon? Why could he talk to a woman one time? I don't What do you think? I think he's a feminist icon? Alright? Debork Okay, okay, you got it. Next one, Baby Grench. Here's where I thought, what about baby Grinch. That's a feminist icon. I would also say he's also queer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fems. Baby Grinch very iconic, very icon Yeah, how could you not fall in love? The next one, Malcolm Crow in a different Bruce Willis Cower Terminus say garbage that belongs in the trash. I would say that, what do you think I haven't seen that moving forever? So sure, garbage, I think we have we have some people garbage. Okay, garbage. He's garbage. He's garbage. Next one. That's next one, Hayley Joel ask me, but but not in the sixth sense. In sex Head, where he plays a sex said teacher, queer icon, Am I right? Come on, yes, it's like no, he's a becomes an old man with a baby's face. Am I right? That is? That is fine? It was as STDs slaying the clap. There's I'm not even gonna say queer icon. I'm gonna say strictly lesbian icon, like just strictly what do we think? Okay, he's an icon one period feminist icon, beetle juice feministic feminist icon. Yeah, while his title is feminist iconic, feministic, the movie is feminist text beetles. Yeah, well that's an easy one. That's an easy one except for a safe and Harry Potter queer eye caller. All right, yeah, yeah, discusses. He's for sure not a feminist icon, but he is, yes, alright, Next one fourth grade grade. I feel like that's a perfect tie of all three. That is baby queer queer, No one feminist queer. So this one's queer adult trash. He was trash, It's for sure trash. Then yeah, whatever, Next okay, fine, Alpha Molina Inspirement feminist icons and Jamie's husband feminist icon. I'm soaking wet, I my freaking pants. I was amazing. Remember good he was to his wife though in that movie, Like, let's be honest, he was really a teacher and it was all great. He was. He was right next to his rose. Okay, anyway, Alan die Hard feminist icon, queerer icon, queer icon, feminist ychon because a feminist icon because he's he's like, my wife's pregnant and I'm addicted to her. Okay, you know, I don't know what do you think feminist do you guys think, although it's also very body positive, it's like, look at him, come on, do you know I mean, there's no way he could be a street cop. Jesus Christ, Let's be honest. You know what I mean. He's at a desk because he needs to be at a desk. He's a desk man. He's a feminist. Feminists. Yeah, that's it, all right, that's my type of desk man. Next one, Oh, Bruce, this is Bruce will Is frantically. I mean, he's not a Republican. I hate government. I'm a political Write that down. I'm not a Republican. Bruce Willis is fully Republican, but he spends a lot of time telling people he's not. Is this a feminist icon, queer icon or trash move? Trash? Brust wise is trash? Can we just note that that quote comes from quote fancy guys, I have a membership with quote fancy dot com. Bumblebee in the Transformers franchise. Yeah, Bumblebee, come on? Where? God I wish that was. Michael Bay would be so mad if he knew that Bumblebee was a queer high Oh my god, are you kidding? He set this place on fire, all right. Next one cartoon Grinch feministic. I'm just gonna say icon period icon iconic cartoon Grinch. I cook that face? Come on, I know, all right. Next one Alfred Molina and Bagheina. Oh he's a feminist icon and the queer icon and just remember it was great. He's the beginning of the middle in the end, everything is that? Is that the final one? All right? And that is a game we call feminist icon quer icon bart belongs in the trash. You can play that at home with your family over a Christmas holidays. Yeah, see what I see? Where your family's loyalties live. What does your family think of every phase of the Grinch's life? I'll forward you my power plant. So should we talk about whether or not the movie passes the Bechtel tests? We already hinted that it does. It does because it does whoa very quickly, Holly talks to her assistant, James name Jenny. Jenny. Holly says, Jenny, it's five forty, go join the party, have some champagne. You're making me feel like Ebenezer Scrooge. She does mention a man, but then Jenny in a bad reference. Though, if the joke sucks? Is it? If she had said, you're making me feel like feminist icon the Grinch feminist slash queer icon, you know it's crazy, and she was talking about the Grunch, I'd be like, she's not talking about a man, She's talking about it an idea. The Grinch is non binary as fuck. I know that. Okay, I we've this is crazy, and this is like how hard it is to get a movie to pass the Bechtel test. Sometimes we've had a situation before where it's two women talking about a fictional man and we're like, what does it mean? Does it count as a man if the man doesn't real? And that is just indicative of Wow, women are not talking a lot in this movie. Well, and so Jenny responds and says, thanks a lot, Mrs McClean, do you think the baby can handle a little sip? Uh? And then Holly says the baby is ready to tend bar And it's a hilarious joke that we all laugh. That's a funny fetal alcoholic cynroum gag. That is a feminist iconic scene. So I would argue that that does pass because the last two lines of that exchange they're talking about the baby making feetal alcohols. We don't know is she what she was? She just dating at Johnson in there with you know what. But there's more, there's more scenes where it passes. Yes. So shortly after that, she calls her home and Lucy picks up her daughter, who does us the favor of stating her full name, Yeah, McLean residents, Lucy McClean speaking, it's like, okay, exposition, have you calmed down? Yeah? And then she says, hello, Lucy McClean, this is your mother speaking, and she says, Mommy, when are you coming home? Pretty soon? You'll be in bed when I get there because I'm not spending Christmas Eve with my family. Instead, I'm talking to the troops, talking to the troops with HOLLYE. Jennaro coming soon to Public Access TV. And then she says, don't go snipping around the house for presents. Let me talk to Paulina. And then Lucy says, is daddy coming home? So a man does get mentioned there, but still then I would say past the best. And then immediately afterward with her housekeeper, it passes again, although they do spend most of that conversation talking about John McClean. Is there there's no exchange in there? Uh? Well, Paulina says, Ola, Mrs Holly, and he says, is it the dialogue goes better? Is it my impression that's bad? No, I'm just I'm just saying that the only woman of color, Lucy on screen, is put in a like the role that is very stereotypical. Sure, yes, uh. And then Holly says, did Mr McClean call so not so much? Paulina says no, Mrs Holly, no telephone, and Holly says he probably didn't have time before it's flight. It might be a good idea to make up the spare bedroom just in case. And then Paulina says, I do that already, and Holly said, what would I do without you? Paulina, I would say that conversation does not pass the test because they're pretty much exclusively talking about Mr McClean. I I agree with you. Yeah, I mean, we can get into the semantics of it, but what I mean the movie does pass. But to my knowledge is that the last time it passes, Jenny comes in a little bit later to say, hey, Mr Takagi is looking for you. He wants you to say something to the troops. Yeah, but Mr Takagi and also so it does not pass. Does the trees are Later when they're at the party and she's like, he's alive, and then I don't think respond Yeah, I think she's she's too pregnant, she of her baby. She's like, actually I just had three yeager bombs relatively useless at present? Is that the last time that women's there's one more time where the two emergency responder women John McClean has like radioed for help, the first woman. We don't know their names, so it does not pass by the way. Um, the first woman says it's the same address as the fire signal, and then the second lady, who's very bad a job, says I'll handle it and then does a really bad job of handling it. Yeah. So those are all the exchanges that women have in the movie Diying Hard. So most of them don't pass, but the first couple do. Surprised. One more thing I wanted to talk about before we let everyone free, uh is the end of this movie is so frustrating to watch because we see John McClean have this big revelation where he says to al for some reason, I say I love you to my wife all the time, but I've never said I'm sorry. And like, this is a big revelation and it's kind of like a very emotional moment for a male action hero to have. And I was like, oh, this is cool, this is good. He's like working through some stuff. Movie is so complex, right, But then we see the problem resolved, the terrorists are no longer an issue. He goes to his wife and we already see that scene where she's like he's going to save us or whatever, and it's like, oh, she's taking his last name back. This is not good. She said something like oh he's still alive. Only John could make someone that crazy, right, right, And I'm just like, oh, they're gonna fund later. This is exhausting. And there but the end, then at the end, he has this whole revelation about like I should just say sorry. And then at the end, not only does she take his name back, he does not say sorry, not to her. He's just like he's like, oh, I had to say to my wife as I'm sorry, And then he kills Alan Rickman makes out with her and he's like, you have my last name again. Let's get out of here, he never So it's just like this whole example, like it's all set up for him to grow as a person, but we don't actually get to see him do it that that woman is robbed of that opportunity to be apologized to, because like that whole subplot is like, I don't respect your career choices and I'm threatened by your success. And then he's like, tell my wife, I'm sorry and I should have supported her. I can't tell her to her face, and I can't. I can't with that there. I mean, And it's that time of year now where, especially this year, every woman should just be profusely apologized to by every man they've ever met. It's the new hello for men. I'm so very sorry. God. Alright, Well that's that was Yeah. No, Does anyone have any other final thoughts before we rate? No, I'm exausted. The audience members, how anything they want to pipe in? Any questions queries? Yeah, it's it's very sad and frustrating to hear about John and Holley's relationship because it does completely break down by the end, doesn't it. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh wow, Although it seems like that's where it was headed in movie one where it's like and she seems pretty done, but he's like, put my footpled and I like you. She's like, all right, because we'll give her another dry there. That's a bummer. I didn't know that's how it ends. Good point. Yeah, I'd say that this is pretty progressive women because even though you have the two incompetent women, Paully seems very competent. So the percentage of competent women to the percentage of competent men, you have John mcclaim and al our competent Yeah, one competent woman. That's true, like all the idiots, like all the cops are idiots. That's true. And it was that's what we're forgetting. It's yet competent women. And you know, let's be honest, Paulina, what would we do without Paulina. She's doing a good job and that she's raising competence. Fair nice. I think it's so funny because it's like, yeah, the women in the higher percentage of competence, but everyone's still failing. That's that's an excellent point, Paulina. Oh yes, oh my god, maybe we didn't remember that. Yes, yeah, there is a moment where the journalists burst into their home and threatened to deport Paulina, who has done literally nothing except be herself and have her job and you know, like exist, and she has to be threatened to do something she would have done anyways. So yeah, that's a good point. Good, yeah, totally a question to who would you cast in a Ghostbuster style? Oh my god? Okay, okay, can Galgadope do something? Yes, it is Hans Grouper. I'm batty. What's your face? Um? Oh god? Uh did you all see thor? What's her name? Oh my god, I'm lost. O our beautiful said, yeah, she was amazing, right, amazing. She could be I don't know, she could be al Could she be al? She could be albow? Absolutely? And then, um, who's gonna be John McClinton, baby Betty Rich, Babbie Graney, baby Gridge. I say Leslie Jones. I say Leslie Jones should be amazing. I would love to cast Alpha Molina as Lucy mccland. I'm sorry it's not an all female reboot, but I think he really is a chameleon and he could be he could be the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he'd be like I'm what was her job? I am business? She's about a negotiator, and then he'd be like, actually, my last name is Molina. I love this. Okay, so that's a good one. That's fun, that's great. Uh yeah, I'd wait till we miss any other major parts. Does everybody right? It's our Yeah, who do I want to put? Who do We're posing them as the breakout star of our all female litle bit of die Hard. What's her names? Unprodouncible. You want to say serious, but it's not a serious forget it. Devado Is couldn't say the other one is amazing. Well, let's let's write it. Let's write the movie on our nipple scale zero to five nipples. Based on its portrayal of women, I'm gonna give it one and a half because it's still very much a man's story populated with almost entirely men. You do see one pretty competent woman, but she's framed as like the wife, and she isn't respected by her husband, and that's a whole story line of the movie. And she gets no screen time, neither do hardly any other women. And it's not the feminist masterpiece we're all hoping for. I felt so certain it was. I know but it doesn't get like no nipples, because I do think that Holly is competent, although she is robbed in many ways of opportunities to do something more pleasantly surprised that it passes the Bechdel test and does feature a competent female character for a movie that came out in So, yeah, I'm gonna say one and a half nipples are you giving your nipples to? I'm going to give one to Hans and his bad accent, and the half nipple will go to because we see his nipple. I'm gonna give it to John McClean. There you go. I am going to give this movie. Oh this feels like too much, but I'm gonna give it two and a half nipples for all the reasons you describe. But I also think we get to talk about this a lot. But I do think that it's interesting watching an action hero like John McClain almost universally fail when he tries hyper masculine tactics to solving a problem, Like most of the things that actually work for John McClain are what his wife is really good at, which is negotiating, Like if Holly McClain or Holly, Sorry, Holly Jenniro. I'm so sorry. If Holly Jenniro was in the bathroom at the beginning of this movie, this movie would be fifteen minutes long, because she would have been able to get them out of it without all the fucking show pony posturing that Bruce Willis has to do to be like I have to have a gun and there's a warning and there's a like. She had the skill set the whole time to resolve the whole movie, and none of us would have had to see die hard. Um So, I I do think it's interesting that John mcclin's character, even though we are led to believe by the end, does not intend to apply these lessons to his life. But he does learn the lesson that not only does his wife skills have value, and that she has a lot of value, but that the skills make more sense than the like hyper masculine aggro cop tactics that he's been taught. So I think that there's a there is like a little bit there that I liked. Uh So I'll give it two and a half, given two nipples to the baby Grinch and give a half nipple to Paulina because she deserved more, all Right, I'm gonna give it one nipple. This is mono nipular to me, and that is the edit the word. I'm just giving it one nipple because it just didn't. It didn't do what it should for women. And my nipple is going to go to Argyle because he needs it, you know what I mean, milk that Oh my god, poor boy. But yeah, I mean it's yeah for what it is. And you know that that whole thing about the five in the five movies, their their relation breakdown. That's I'm also giving it one because I'm remembering now they do they don't make it work, and that's you know what. You know, Holly should have just conling at fair least, right, Yeah, they didn't make it work. Well, the guys, that's too hard. D thank you so much for he's the best renewed with mental fucking world. He is the greatest. Give it up for Deborah dg of money. Thanks go out best