#74 - Heather Morgan - Wrote Beat of the Music, Lose My Mind for Brett Eldredge and More

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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to episode seventy four, The Bobby Cast and with Heather More again songwriter singer song Hello, hell h m hm hi again Hi? Okay? Can hear now? You shouldn't have a sit to awkward him, Mike? Can we make our guests not sit awkwardly? Yeah? I look like too proper. No, no, we are. They don't give us a good equipment, so we have to fix it in your small everything. Who was the last person in? Move it down a little bit. She's like talking up into it. Give me a good posture. It's here we go. Who was the last person in? Jared? That's awesome? All right, so I boba the way, Welcome to the house. Thank you for you got to meet the dog. Not everybody that comes to meet the dog. Oh. I kind of made a buddy downstairs. Yeah. So I think the last place I saw you was at like the listening room where do we run into each other? It was like a Christmas thing with um because I was was Kelly Bannon and somebody else was there. But I think it was like the side area that they have kind of everything gets the back and forth charity show. I'm trying to remember that. So I know we saw each other and you had written something or put something out that I was like, yes, I was like I remember the stopped you again and we didn't know each other, and I was like, hey, I want you to know I don't know it was. It was Megan Lindsley Lindsay. I'm not all a certain Lindsley in my head because I have something there in amorrow. But Megan Lindsay we had wrote a song a few years ago called Cocaine and Jesus. That's right, I'm gonna pull that up. And I remember going up because I had just heard it and I was remember seeking you out and I was like, she's gonna think I'm such a and I was like, this song is so good. You know I'm gonna play And this wasn't part of it, but which one of the mine? Do you ever? So everything's hooked up to my Alexa. So I'm playing music into my bedroom right now that she'll be playing here. Mike Dee's got it. Don't worry there. It is, Thank you preachers, boy. Let me start raisin head all right, this is a Cocaine in Jesus. Megan Lindsay recorded it just I can remember what it was, and I remember I loved whatever. But I want to hear this ago. It's been a while so I've heard it. He grew up preachers boy raisin hell and making noise, and she's been all the good years trying to save him. Never come and not for air. She followed him around everywhere. Heavy hand love she had, she gave him well, loved her more, the rocking room. He loved them all, and she never loved. Every time he pulled her close, she felt me. He was sitting on the dark side of the moon, so far gone. The pretty song shas a right looks like free. He's out cocaine, she's out, jees with the blame, he's got his rais at the end of day, there's just something where are needing heat out cocaine, she's out. And that's gives me goose bumps again. It's like the first time. I love it. It's good right, It's one of the I remember right of that day because she that's like you know, you know people in town and then like you finally get in the room with them. But I remember, like some days I'll just have like a fit day, like just whatever is in the room, like you're not thinking overthinking it and she I just remember getting on that and just feeling like I don't know what this is, Like we're going, we're going all the way there. When where do we start this? So when she but she had the idea for Comcan and Jesus, like she had that title the title to you look at it and you go, that's the that's an odjuct position, like they should not be together. And then you hear it and you're like, wow, that's what it was. I remember going up to you and pulling you aside and going, I don't want to be a weirdo. But that song like made me like thanks. That's so cool to hear it again too, because it's such a good production they did on that. She her voice is so emotional and it has that like rasting that you like, I mean, I believe her when you sing that that. Yeah, I remember you. I think you tweeted something about it because I was on the road. Um I remember, I actually remember where it was. When I saw it. I would like run into um a rushed room. On tour with Kelly Bannon, I was singing this like background vocals for her and she was opening for Luke, and then my phone started like blowing up and it was like, did you write a song about cocaine like some of my friends. I was like, actually I did, must be the Megan songs, so thank you that it's really good. Um so, but what I like to do first is like to kind of give people just an idea a few of the things that are you written, and then we'll come back around to it. But because Brett Eldridge bet to the Music wrote us a bread made you a lot of money, lose my mind Bread, you know the song that you wrote that isn't hasn't been a single, but I love is I'll be the Moon. I had Dirks and Maren come singing on the show because when that record came out, I was like, this song it like blew me a thank you. I'm so proud of that one. Yeah, it's crazy good. I don't I don't want to. I don't want to be scre Ryan. Yeah, Ryan and Matt drags those are I remember that day. It was so weird, like Ryan came in with this idea about a son in a moon, and I came in with basically an idea about a moon and sen because just like I remember I had been in a meeting and be like, oh, I'm gonna go to this. I've got Ryan and Matt today. I want to write about this moon Sun thing. And when Ryan said that, I was like, d like what song player text you about? Like just one of those weird moments You're like, how are we on the same page before we ever? Like I love that song and I know for you you had to hope it'd be a single. Oh yeah, because that's how you really get paid. But okay, pay the side like that song. I've had more people will come up to this. Yeah, I've had a lot of people like it's my favorite song on the record. Cute that. And I remember when they added Marion because we didn't know who the girl is gonna end up being like I just did the like holding singing the vocals so something was there so they could model on the singing after it, and then when Marion was on it, it it was like, oh, okay, this is like even went to the next level. But I've had a lot of people if because I'll play it as shows just from like when I'm playing rounds or when I'm traveling and play it and then people will come up and be like that song just like Tears Apart, but I don't don't repeat, you know, like that kind of moment. So Dirk's owed me a favor and I made him come with Marin and sing that song. That's why his his album was coming. I was like, dude, me a favor, So call Marion and you guys come up and sing. He's like, it's not the single. I was like, I don't care to know, me a favor. So they came up. Let let me do a commercial real quick. Uh? 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I mean it took a few months, which sounds that sounds probably lame to other people have been here for a few years, but um, I I made trips from Texas a few times, and UM, I remember a couple of years before I moved here, there was a songwriter here that was like, I'm gonna do a Texas night at the Bluebird. And so my kind of first trip where I spent more time, like a week here, was playing the Bluebird with some three other people from Texas, and then um, we went out for barbecue and did the whole thing. And then when I got up here there was, um, he's not alive anymore. But there was a guy that went to TCU where I went to college. Then I'd tracked down through a book and then I like went in xerox is like yearbook photo from like the sixties or seventies, and then called him this is weird, but him and I know it's so weird. He actually worked for the prison system by the time. While he tracked him down, his name was Merlin Littlefield and he had been the director at as CAP and I was asked CAP at the time, and so he called somebody as CAP. I was like, there's this girl that is coming up from Texas. She's new to town, Like just let her come play you some songs, and so I went and played um John Briggs songs at as Cap and then it was pouring down rain that day, and so I think I was in there for a couple of hours just playing. He was like, we'll play something else, play something else, play something else. So I just kept playing on songs and then he had a couple of people just come over from the row and just like listen and like say hi. And then the next day a couple of those people ended up calling me to come by their office and it was like this weird, like little snowball that started. And so then I would just go play for people if I wrote something new that I loved, and that was part of the beginning of my story and then the other flip sides. Right before I moved to town. Um, there's a girl I met and she you said, you should move to Nashville. You've got to meet my brother in law. His name is Joe Fisher. He is at Universal Music. And at the time, I just played some shows with Rodney Foster and he had that was his song plugger, and so it was kind of this full circle, a little moment that happened, and um, so I called Joe, Like the first day I was here and was like when do I come meet? Thinking that's just how it works. And then I went to his office and he was like, how many songs do you think you've written? And at the time, whenever, my gigs were really long in college, like these three hour gigs, I just write more songs is than horrible remembering covers. And so I was like, I don't know, like five fift dude, don't you know? He was like what. So he's like bringing me, just bring me songs. So we I just go play for people and then Wonder Chapel ended up offering me a deal, so that's where I landed first, and then I ended up It's Sony for like my second view. So you moved to town and did you move town? What you want to be an artist? Yeah? You know, yeah, oh definitely. I had a band in college and um it was they were in Austin, based in Austin, So I would like finish classes on Thursday and usually go and meet them down in Austin and play like Cheatham Street Warehouse or Green Hall and um around Dallas, like this place called Port David's Pub, and I mean there's so many places to play down there, and I used to tag along with Randy Rogers. Remember that he's awesome and that you like young guys and um and Rannie was kind enough to let me play with him. And then when I got to town, it was kind of this season I feel like in the business where um, my publisher at the time was like, you just sing your own demos and then like we'll pitch them and then people will hear you. And but then I started getting cuts and so it was like, oh, but now you're like being successful on the other side of it. So is it weird? Because I have a friend who's going through this now where he's had a couple of hits, but he came to town to be an artist. He started to make money songwriting, and to go be an artist. It's almost a sacrifice of time and money. Yeah, like the flip of it. So you're like backing away from something you're just now being successful. Yeah, it can be a weird. Yeah, it's kind of. I mean I definitely had a moment of like, well, these doors are opening, Like I do love I love songwriting like I've always done it. I would have this video when I'm like a little kid, and we're about We're in California, about to go to the airport, and my aunt's like filming me to like kill time while my parents are probably living in the car, and I'm like, this is a song by Heather Morgan, like sing it and there's the vibratos all there, and so I'm kind of like we've and doing this for a really long time too on the outside of it. So now like in my own story, I love watching my friends like Nataliehimby and Lawya McKenna kind of do it that way because I've always been such a fan of Patti Griffin and like Gillian Welch and kind of the America Americana part of things a little bit that, um like I just made a record and I'm finishing up this week. But really, yeah, just like I know that's something that's important to me. So I kind of been doing it on my own, but um, in that vein so I can still write songs and have that, but I want that lane in my life for sure. You want to play, yeah, I still do. You still want to pursue that, but not not like I don't. I sat next to a music critic at a wedding not too long ago, and he was like I played him some of the music and he was like, why don't she want to be adele? And I was like, as there's already like that's awesome. I don't think that's so cool. But I was like, I just want to play like beautiful places and get to share my music. I feel like, because I don't know when I get to do songwriting shows, even here in town, there's just such a like I have such a gratefulness for it that that I sounds so weird. I don't know, it's something that happened a couple of years ago, but there's a thing like this button got pushed within me or something like that. Or it was like it's good. It's good in any capacity. Like I just I get happy. I'm happy when I get to play, if that makes sense. So I'm trying to create a little bit more of that and copy Laura McKenna or go that route. How does it work? I think of a lot of people to listen to this, and you know it the songwriter part of it, and you're talking about writing today, I assume he wrote. Yeah, most people that come over to the house, So how are you, how does the songwriter book what with other writers? Well, luckily with being a win a publishing deal, they kind of, I guess cast your calendar almost in a way. I don't know if that's if I just made that up maybe, but they'll um book like today I was with Mackenzie Porter that's with Big Loud Records. I'm hoping I'm saying that right. And then Lindsay Rhymes of Scott that's a great writer, engineer, producer, all of the above from Australia. So and with the three of us have never written before. And then Mackenzie's publishings with Sony. Actually we're all Sony writers, so that was kind of probably an easy thing to put on the calendar. They created the day yes and so like okay, so when I like look at my calendar yesterday and I was like thirty Sony for our hall with these guys, So, how far ahead are you booked right now? I know I've got stuff through like November, but it's not like it's kind of like there's holes in that. It's not like solid do you leave holes in case that's like, hey, I want a day I can write with ex friends. Yeah, and that's what this year was. My guy Sony. He was like, I'm not gonna book you like five days out every day and you're not going to have any room or something cool comes up, like we leave room for that, or we kind of shuffle if something that just seems like it's the right thing to put on a day that might have something else, try try to make room for all that stuff. So with something like and I'll just play this here from Brett, was that something you scheduled? Yeah, that was scheduled. That was our first write together with Raw and it's Raw and Brett. I mean that's a pretty like Ross is as good as it gets. Yeah, he's Brett can write and sing his brains out. I mean, how do you feel walk into that? Right? Do you get super prepared? I feel no? I feel like no, are you the opposite? You like to go in and just kind of see where it takes you. I mean, I'll definitely have ideas and stuff. But those guys, it's I mean I've a mind with them for so long now that it is really kind of um. There's like a spontaneous magic that seems to kept up with what that combination is. And also like everybody's job kind of I don't know if this makes any sense, but sometimes I'll compare it to like baseball. That might be a terrible metaphor, Like I feel like in that situation, Brett is at the batter's box and then like maybe Ross is playing short stuff, maybe I'm on first base, but it that we kind of Brett is so creative and he stays up at night and he has so many ideas that like, he probably can't even make enough albums for all the stuff that's going on in his brain. So our job is kind of just like catch the magic and what and kind of like when it's coming at you so fast, try to be like, okay, that's the thing that feels right. And then Ross is so great at interpreting like what Brett's trying to convey, if it's a beat or if it's like a key or vibe, that it is kind of this like we're like, just it's so weird how it happens because we've done it so much that they're both pretty well and I am too, Like if you're listening to my answers here, I'm like, what, let's go here and come back. But maybe it just we all cancel each other out Somehow are you consider now in the Brett camp? Since you have multiple songs? I guess maybe I get to come to camp. Yeah, I think I hope so, like you get to be in a camp after I mean, here's lose my mind. That was one of those came first? Which one came first? Be in the music and then lose my mind? Is that what you're asking? Were they written be to the music first and then lose my line? Yeah, be amusing I lost my mone? Yeah, so about the second hit you get? Are you then in the camp? Everybody? Yeah, it's like in the Carry camp. I know everybody that's terms like that term used to be so l a to me and then I'm like, oh, it's a natural term now. But so Brett will just call and be like, hey, can we get together on Yeah, we'll try it. Like we actually, Ross and Brett and myself right now we all have the same song Clugger, and so like in November, um we did, like Ross and I went on the bus for a round of shows when he was opening for Keith and Marin was like out there, so she had people on her bus that we're writing and then with um like a week later, I'm sorry, I just had the mic. A week later, like on a Wednesday, Brett texted and I was like, Hey, do you want to come on the bus tonight. We're gonna do another run of writing. And so there was like two headed back to back, but they were both like the first one was more playing than the second one. The second was kind of like very spontaneous. So when you go on a bus to write, like I go on a bus when we play shows, like, yeah, we hop in and it's everybody's so that's what you're doing. You go, yeah, you're on the bus, and then you set aside of a few amount of hours. Yeah, like we'll start writing first thing in the morning, or we'll go get breakfast at caterine or something, and then right until lunch and then sometimes write a little bit more in the afternoon. And then when we were out in November, Rawson I tagged along for his workout session with his trainer, and then afterwards he had to go sound check, and then we kind of watched part of the show and then once he was done, we wrote wow. Um, I guess Keith had started to set and then he had to go back out for the encore. It sounds like a lot of work. It can be pretty intense. Good, I guess yeah, because you're like, we have this time and we know you're leaving up. You know, four you haven't meet and greet or five you have meet grade. So let's try to get this vocal or just try to get a couple of songs done. And you take equip with Ross and I've written this up with Ross. Yeah, he has a computer and he does so. Is that the kind of the rig that you guys recording, Like Ross takes the laptop and you put a microphone on the table and you just right and sing into it. Yeah, pretty much. Sometimes I'm like the scriber. I feel like the girl, like the girls trying to catch all the words must be like do you have that? I bet that's just like throwing with those two. Yeah, it's just and again I haven't spent enough time around you don't know. But just like bad, you can get goofy in a good way, like where you're kind of slap happy. I guess, tell me about this one here. Yes, we wrote that intail actually we um I remember. I think it was going to have a different angle on it like sure it would be nice love like kind of thing. And I remember us and I've been like, man, let's still love, so let's just go for it. Make your love song and make sure that angle like let the angle be that you already like love something. So you three were kind of the thing, well we have what we've we worked well together, and we know we've known each other for a really long time, like we've known each other before anybody cared about anything that we were creating. Yeah, because it's like in this town, you're cool once things start to happen. Yeah, And once things start to happen, people want to hang out with you. And then you're like, then I want to hang out because things are happening. You have people that you kind of struggled with. Yeah, you never have to worry about that. It's so funny. I mean I would have this memory of walking down um, walking down with these alleys on music grow because we couldn't, like we the three of us couldn't get into a party, like nobody would let us in, and so we had to like we we just want to hung out at this old office building that I'm pretty sure it shocked to yoga now yeah, right there. I was okay, yeah, so you know exactly the alley I'm talking about. But like we like, we didn't have any money. I think Brett told the story the Number one party for be the music that we all like pulled together like eight bucks and bought a bottle tequila and went to the empty publisher house and we're like, okay, we'll just hanging out with each other. So I was like, yeah, I do remember that. I remembered I was wearing when you came to town. Would you say it was so five or so? Who were the people that because everybody kind of has classes, Yeah, who came to town around the same time you came to town that you get to know? Um? Well, I would say my I feel like my class kind of turned out to be like John Knight and then Ross of course, and then Nicole Galleon. Um, people that are still Nicole's got a really good one of these two if you're listening to this, and Nicole's was really yeah, she's a great, great podcast. Um, just from early on, those are the ones that I still like. See and then I met Jared a little bit later, but not too much later. J Johnson see American Bang or cat like three or he was actually it was American Bang when I met him, and then I remember I just remember writing with him my first time to write with him. He had like amazing sunglasses on. He looked like he was a beatle kara and then thinking like this guy. Wow, He's like how is how is this happening? Because he's so cool and I'm just go from Texas and then we end up hitting it off and we've been buddies ever since. I just I love how like he'll say anything, yeah, your faith right, we talked in here and they text me for like an hour calling me out on things right after we because there like I forgot to say this and I don't know, but it's always I like consistent people. Yes that and he is sure I know what to expect and I don't have to worry that you're pulling something over being if I know I can trust that you're going to always give me the same kind of person. Yeah, that's what I like about Jaren. Yeah, like I can appreciate it's always be to The music was like the song of the year that was very life changing. That was so crazy because I remember the year before for the b m I Awards. I wrote Jody Williams and email telling him like it was almost it probably read like a school assignment. I was like, dear Jody, this is why I would love to be included in the b m I Awards because I wasn't getting one. Um, And I wrote him a list of why I thought it might be good for my career just to get to be there for that, and he gave me an extra ticket. That those things are kind of hard to get into, so he's really kind and gave me an extra ticket. And then the next year was like the first year to get an award, and then we won a Song of the Year, so he afterwards he was like that email you sent me last year's like you really want adia this year. But my sister came with me for that, and UM, yeah, it was really awesome. I just remember somebody was talking to me when they were about to announce it, and somebody else from the table like hit me and they were like you need to be watching. No, I didn't know. They were like they were like, make sure you have family there, and I was like, I'll bring my sister, like she'll have fun and she'll like you bring just enough family to have family, right, yeah, and if you lose someone that you're still yeah, you're still totally. So it was those nights are so fun. But I remember like my hands wouldn't stop shaking. It was so weird, Like yeah, it was like this, I don't know what what I mean, Like why is why are my hands doing that? It's so weird. And then did you get cooler around talent as far as you wanted to write with you that, like, did the calendar start to I feel like people gave me a shot that maybe didn't beforehand. And um, yeah, I do feel like there was a shift. I don't know if I got cooler for sure, but I do feel like some more opportunities came along and and it was just I think it was just nice. Somebody said something really cool to me. It was actually at a Christmas party at Jared's house. It was this guy Mark Beason, who's an amazing writer, and he said, um, he said, your first hit song represents all the songs that you wrote before that. It's just like a culmination of all the work you fit in, all the risk taking you did, like all the times you showed up. That's what it also means, so he just wanted to make sure like I understood that angle on it, and it was I don't. It was so cool to hear that, because you never know, like we wrote a beach song in January one year and it ended up being that so um so, yeah, it was really cool. But I did feel like, okay, like a big exhale moment and the other cool thing. I think that was fun that somebody described at the moment as Matt Jenkins said this. Sorry Matt, I'm quoting you, but he said it's like he was like, as a guy, it's like the first time you have to kiss the girl, you just like want to get it over with having a hit song. He's like, now like I I kissed the girl. Basically, that's what he said. I don't take that out of it. That's gonna sound funky. Now that will quote you in the next one. Great. Let me ask you a question about this because I remember talking about this on the radio show. So this is Brett you make and this is so I don't even know what happened with this, did you. Yeah, they're all there, Yeah, they're all on there. They didn't. Luckily, they're like kind because they were like, what what It's a country song and so many people have used that line. We were like the thousand people, but it's the success is that what bread the hey? Oh wow, we need to get this on. Well, it kind of happened in the room and I remember having that moment of like this was that on that or was that not? And then later we were at UM some event where Brett's team from Warner Brothers was there and they were like, Hey, we're working on the line from the song with a least my mind and I was like, okay, some n y U professor was like looking at it on that line, so like they wanted to change it. They wanted to change it or they wanted to figure out like how much of that of the song was I guess percentages or something. And so I was like, well, that's those are the professionals, like we'll just leave it to that with the they only they didn't get a lot of it. It really like. And the funny thing is there's two guys, so it's um Celo Green Mouse Indanger Mouse, which so it's so cool to me. It's even this a weird situation. UM. And then the two other guys are actually two guys that Narls Barkley borrowed from, so they're like the original people that created something, and then Narls Barkley borrowed from so Cilo and thank your Mouth borrowed from them. Just that one part of it though, so well, I guess for the Narls Barkley song maybe somehow, so somehow, it's all there's like three different compositions, if you want to say professionally, like the other thing is like an Italian musical from the sixties. I'm not kidding. Somebody came up to me at the Bluebird and they're like, do you know the history of your own song? And I was like, apparently not. I've nobody's ever shared that with me. So that two other guys have an Italian last same and I don't even I don't know anything about them, but I do know that because it was number one, we got we Want to Pop Award in London last year because of it. But just based on like the math of it, did that cost you a lot of money? Haven't add all them? Kind of? Because yeah, I mean not not as much as it could have been. It could have been really hurtful, but it ended up where and not like crying every time a check comes in because they have most of it or anything like that. You know, it's weird. And in Nashville the riding for the most part is different than in Los Angeles. Yeah, because they can get down and if it's three people, it's I don't know how they do that. That makes me so like, that makes me nervous for people, because I don't know how you decide, like do you have to have like a class monitor that's like like, no, you you have five words and he has seven. That is a weird thing, right, I would be terrible that that if three people are sitting in a room and two of them do all the work, and I know stories that people are like in the room and really did didn't do much. I know somebody told me once and I totally I thought about that too. But I'm like, you know what, if that combination was there that day, something could have been different. Somebody could have said, like, if it had been somebody else, you might have a different song. Well there is always that, but it's like, well that's the song that showed up and they were there. I have a friend and I don't want to say what it is. But he wrote a song and they did it right. And I'll just say for the fact, for the messing, I'll mess with the facts a little bit, but it is him and a buddy. They wrote a song and another artist was yeah, the other artist changed one word, and then the artist did and I said, I'm taking it third of the ride. That makes me nervous too. Yeah. See that. That's where maybe l A needs to kick in, because it didn't because it's Nashville and those they wrote it fifty each. The artists cut it changed one word. I hate that for them. And then they were like, what are we gonna do because it's a big artist. Yeah, I mean it's a major art And that's such a that's such a crazy situation because it's in You're like, then what do you do? Do you not want them on? You don't want Yeah? Where's the trade off? Like that you get your song back? Then you don't get that. The craziest thing is is that again I got to mess the facts up a little bit. But the word that the artist change was not a curse word. He changed it to a curse word. Okay, But then for radio edit they had to change the curse word back that gus so no change on the radio at all. But in the original version that sounds like a lot of paperwork. It also sucks, that's it's that's such a like dozy situation that that's it's like the greatest thing. And then like, oh, but that is there thinking no names. Have you written to people before? You're like, I'll never write with them again. Oh yeah, and you you put it on the list, like because there are people I won't bring on the show anmore because its been miserable. I'm like, you know what, it's a feeling. It's like I did not enjoy that. I don't think it's good for my listeners, good for me, So I'm not going to have them back on at least for a while. Has that happened with you before. When you get in the room, you're like, oh, I just cant yeah, I think, yeah, I think that's one of the things about doing it for a while is that part of the well, hopefully the part of what you get to do is write with people you love and you want to you can't wait to get back in the room with. So there I have been situations where I was like, please don't like if we can avoid you ever left to right early because you just couldn't take it anymore. Yeah, really early on, Like no, I don't even know. I couldn't even I couldn't even literally tell you the person's name. But I do remember going into the tape room of Winner Chapel. I mean, like you have to call my phone and I have like you gotta get me out of here, like this is awful. No, not at all like Downy Club, the letter tell me everything. It'd be like you're a John Mayor interview. I'd be like nine hours long. You'd be like, are we writing a song? What's the deal? Did they call? Yeah, they totally did. I was like, I just can't do it. I think I couldn't do it. Still another and that. I mean I was such a baby writer, but even my my instincts were like this is this is bad, just kidding me, don't put my name on it, Just get me out of here. If you see an artist rike come up like and you know they're writing for themselves, is that a different preparation than if you and a couple of your normal song writing together. Yeah, Like I used to get really nervous about artist writes, not not in a bad way, just like they need to accomplish something and I hope I can help them get to what they need to find song wise. And and there's also you know, there's like this team of people that are telling them five different things or maybe one thing as a team, like you need you're opening for this person and you're gonna be playing this kind of venue, and you really need a part a song three songs in or something like that, and we don't have it, and you need to write that, and so hoping that whatever my brain does that day can bring it to them. But sometimes all just bringing a bunch of ideas and if I'm with the track person, like try to there's been a balance. I feel like I've grown up a little bit as a songwriter with artists where if they want if they like something I do, I just want to give that to them, like be the best version of that writer for them. I hope that makes sense. But like there's a phrasing thing that I do that I just figured out that I've some of my friends when they were listening to the New Brett album, They're like, I can find your songs before looking them up, which was cool to have that happen, how like they just hadn't They were like, I feel like that's you, like on like haven't met yet one that we have on many record and one of my friends was like, oh, I knew you wrote that. I don't have to look it up. And I do that with my friends, like I can tell when Ross has something on the radio or actually Girly has something on the radio, or Nicole, Like I just start to know. There's one Jared had with like Frankie Ballard that was Sunshine and Whiskey Reme. I mean, like that's Jared. Dared definitely wrote that. Which one did you write? What we talked about? I haven't haven't met you yet. Let's see, by the way, I love someones from the new record. Did we just play Let's see haven't met you? Yeah, this is half a million sunsets. I haven't got to show you. Don't ask me how I know, but I know they're still your bread and I can almost feel the feeling that's you're gonna give me, especially when you kiss me like no one never had. You're so read I can't explain it. Don't keep me. You could be in Dead Story A thousand feet up plan you could be a drinkways change every second, every please always looking for your face and I'm knowing which one I'll never yea in a corner booth cap. Where'd you guys write that one? We wrote that one actually in a cabin riding your cabin rid like cab song ideas we'll travel. Um. Yeah, we wrote that one out on this porch of this cabin that um Brett's manager head. We had like no WiFi whatsoever. And that was the first sound of like five we wrote on that trip. And we really hold it like we brought food and did not leave for like three days. Remember we did take a boat out into the water and we lost like the manager's anchor and like we got stuck with it. Was started reading with our guitars out there, but my anchor. It needs to be a song like sorry for losing your like hairloom anchor into the river that we couldn't even get out. We tried, um but we had some adventures. But that was the first time we wrote from that trip. And actually we wrote that like kind of around the time of the last record and then it just didn't fit the track list scene for that and so he kept saying it's going to be on the next one that I heard sometimes, but this is like the first time it's actually happened. Do you hear that, Hey, it's going to be the single and it's not a lot. Yeah, that does happen. That can be like, you know, I don't know if somebody joked there like don't go bad a boat yet, because so do you become deaf to it? Or it's like, Okay, it's the single. How do you know when it's the single? Oh gosh um when you hear it on the radio or literally like I try not to get to into it. I mean sometimes if I'm at Sony and nobody's at their desk, I'll kind of like pick at their notes. I'm bad about that what's on the notes? But we'll be on the note at Sony like like sometimes from their morning means it will be like single coming out on I don't pick Katie hasn't you know or Keith Urbin or something like that. They'll have it like in their own handwriting. Sometimes now I'm just gonna hide their notes from me at the office, Like don't my Heather any any though? How about Yeah, Josh Osborne and Ross, and that was funny. I was, Um, I was at a birthday party at a Bully and Alley and I know Josh everfortten was Josh before, but I was like, I'm is kind of text him and see if he can jump in with Ross for all right the next day, and so I texted him and I was like, Hey, I'm riding with Ross. Is there anyway like you can jump in and join us? And he was like, man, I don't think I can. And then he texted me back like thirty minutes later and he was like, actually, everything on my schedule just got flip flopped. I'm gonna be there. And so I had this idea, but I had a different idea that was from the Super Bowl commercials, and then um, we ended up like kind of that got thrown out, but we kind of went on a tangent to where he had. Josh had a lot about looking for the Hollywood side and trying to find the interstate, and then we had we were like, let's write a beachy vibe, but let's not have beach lyrics to it. And so the fun thing about that one, this is the first time this has ever happened for me where when we finished the song like one day. Let's say we finished it like four o'clock. By nine am the next morning, Kenny was like, I wanted its mind, Please don't send it to anybody else. Got it to Kenny that quick, So Troy Tomlinson did from Sony. So people would just hear a song and go, I think this fits first so and so right immediately. Yeah. So in some instances like that was I feel like that was a you hear about it, but I had never experienced it, like this song is so great first so so and then you and then somebody tells a story about how all the stars just lined up but it ended up being number one and something crazy like that happened for this. It was um kind of early on his song searching process, I should say, so my when I was like reading the notes orever when I was sneaking, I'm still I speaking every his office. I don't but um, but it's just a matter of like is it still going to be on there? I went to see him. I was writing with Laura McKinnon in Boston, and so we went to his tour at Gillette Stadium and I had the cut and then backstage um met some of the people just on his team, where I like when Laurie is so sweet. She was like, she has a song of the new record it's called sometimes Somewhere, and they'd be like, oh, we're thinking about naming the tour that, and then the album was going to be called that for a second. So if you get those little nuggets of like information where you're like, what does that mean? It is that bad? If its album is that good? Like who it's going to the album title on the tour title that eventually it's going to be a single? Yeah, are you hope so? But then it wasn't. But it wasn't. But the fun fun part for me is early on before I moved here, I remember being in college and misseeing a class to go down to like San Antonio or something like that and play like the Levi side stage opening for him. And I remember parking my jeep Grand Cherokee like next to the bus and they gave me like my parking ticket and I played probably like four o'clock that day, and then he played that night and I remember like, you know, the guy selling pretzels on the side of the like you know, not arena but outside amphitheater, being like you're really good like some kids playing hacky Sack, and like my dad been like this, this trip costs us a lot of money to pay the band and food and Hotell and all that stuff. But and then this past November, I took my mom and I read a party where Kenny was there, like Kenny like, I mean, my mom like pulls out pictures from the opening and it's like, she has a song on your record. Now it's a very you know, full circle moment for her that you cut that song. And then I'm like kind of embarrassed, but kind of not because she's like doing a good job on the story better than I would. But but it's cool. I mean, of course you hope any songs are single, but that when I was just super pumped to get to Heaven, that's just I don't know. I guess you hear those people growing up, and then when they're singing your songs and their voices on your song, yeah, like you wanted. I understand you wanted to single because you want it to be big and you want to make money, but there's still something to somebody that you admire voice being on something that you wrote and created, Yeah, and then create and like is why you love music or why you have had these life experiences where you experienced it before any of this And that is definitely him for me. So everyone talked about singles, and it's a very singles culture because you want a single and you wanted to move fast, you want to get the next one. Yeah, spend, there's yes, and that's how you make your money for the most part. But let's just say you get five album cuts because their money in five six album cuts. Yeah. Well but and that's what I have one, but there's five on there that I that I wrote with him. But if let's say none of them become a single, yeah, well that just pay back your my draw for Sony, right, yeah, because because your draw is what they pay you per year to just write for them. Yeah, it's it's almost like an I guess an interest freelanm But but then again, if they fire, you pay them back. Yeah, that's the I'm trying. I've tried to explain it to friends there, like when you my dad's had a hard time with that one. He's like, but you gotta pay him back, and like, no, it's not really like it's more like they're investing in you, and you have to pay them back their investment in anything extra. You know, then it gets into the whole who keeps what? But so if you do, if you have five or six album cuts that never make it as singles, that's they can add up enough for them to want to keep you, right, Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. May not, I hope. So I know there's you know, I'm with somebody's really big, and there people in New York that I've been up there a couple of times, but I doubt I'm sure they're still like who are who are you? Maybe hopefully they wouldn't be by now, but um, but when it's all on paper, I would hope somebody would go to that for me. In Nashville, you ever say stopped writing girls songs for sure? Back I remember the moment like, um, I had a I was working somebody else at Sonny but still so same publisher, and I remember having a meeting and it was like, don't turn anymore girls sogs in? And I remember feeling like, okay, okay, I'll do that, but somebody explained this, like why but I was writing a bit with um as writing time with Roston and and still do now. But I remember just switching my focus and um getting a Keith Urban cut and then Elien cut like kind of some stuff that kind of as soon as that shift happened. Also, you can kind of be like, oh, well that I did that then, and then now I have these songs that albums, so that must be true. Your your success was coming from songs that weren't girls songs. Yeah, so it's like, well, do I continue chasing what the few spots that I've landed, But did you stop writing girls songs? Not altogether? No, I mean, and then I always have a tendency too. I call it night writing, Like I'll go write my own song, like my own songs at night. Sometimes at Friday nights, I'll just like walk myself in my house and play INTI like three in the morning. And I've done that ever since I've had a guitar. So um, so I never like the girl songs never went away, and that to me and I and one of the fighters and advocates of females. But I think it's been from the writing to the labels to radio. It's a that's a perfect example of where it starts. It's the minor leagues of the development of female artists. If you have people saying, hey, don't want a girls songs because well, then there are girls without as many songs. And then if there are girls without songs to choose from labels don't have girls with good songs, then radio they don't get girls with good songs from labels, and so it all goes back. And I did an interview with um Billboard. They do this list where it's like power. They put everybody on it. So I'm just one of the people, right, like, let's do It's still They're like, are you a national? I do you have a job? You're on the list. So so they interview me. They're like, what's the bigger struggle? And I was like, well, a couple of things. One, songwriters are not getting paid where they ship way with. One of my friends goes to Capitol Hill and testifies for songwriters. Lee Miller with him this week, so him he um, you know. And so I talked to him a bit about it, and especially with streaming, because there are no laws yet and it's not the streaming is screwing people over. There just are no laws to stay over. Yeah, and it's hard to get people to pay attention and create if you're not lobbying people in DC they don't care. Yeah, I've been up there twice now and lobby and costs money. It does. This is not cheap and money's donations and it's all it's a whole thing. And so they're they're asking me, what's the problem is so well, I think one of the issues is its songwriters being paid fairly. And you know, you can have ten million streams on a song and yes, it's crazy, like crazy is the music? What I have? The number there's one quarter that it was like stream like eleven almost twelve million times, and I'm pretty sure my check was one which is crazy. And when you think about it all going to that, it does like give me a panic attack because I'm like, how am I gonna like keep doing this? That's the problem. People aren't It's going to take the people that are on the edge already, and it's the product isn't going to be as good because you're not gonna have any people doing it. People are gonna go I can't make what I want to make, so I'm gonna go to this. So I said songwriters. Um, that's the problem. Songwriters have to get paid. And I said the development of female artists. But again that also goes back into the songwriter. If songwriters aren't writing great songs, and an artists right as well. But if songs aren't writing great songs, great songs are being cut. Great songs are being cut, aren't being picked up by leols and pushed to radio. So it's all I one to three four process. You're yeah, you're so connecting the right dots about how that. But everybody just wants to scream at radio and I'm like, listen, I will play anything that nobody in the world looks. I don't care if it's a guy or a girl, or a band, a duo, attend some a thirtiesong. If it's a good song, people on the radio just want to play it because everybody wants keep your job. And ratings are how people on the radio keep their job. So does matter what song is. No one's trying to hold trio's females. Yeah, nobody is, Like, there's no diabolical meeting in a room where a bunch of radio people go women off the radio. I do think that there are a lot of country radio people because it's basically older white men who are running country radio and they've been doing it for so long and there and I understand how scared you can be to lose your job because everything on the TV radio at all is starting to condense, and it's all even what the writers. There are less writers every yeah, all of it. So everybody's like, I gotta keep my jobs. I don't wanna take any risks. And what's the least risky thing to do is to continue the same exact thing. And what's the same thing to continue putting on the same kind of songs. Yeah, until it's a problem and it's almost unfixable. And I think now over the past year there's been a lot of development, there has been a lot of breakthrough. Yet maybe there finally starting to be there because I I ran into, well you you were talking to Billboard thing, Um I ran, I don't know Cam, so I'm not like, I don't want to speak as if. Yeah, she's just somebody I really admire, and um she had done a Ted Talks. I think I was just like, hey, that was so cool of you. But briefly I just sent her like, you know, for a minute, it was like where are the girls? Were the girls? And then you have like Marin and Cam come out and these like I just think the girls that are are getting some time in Coursetion, Miranda and Carrie. I do feel like they're so well spoken and they represent girls so well that I'm just hoping like that keeps. I don't. I just like a sophisticated thing, that's the right word, is happening in the girl like where, um, some really cool girls are coming out and I feel like I'm hearing more about about them, and I feel like my calendars reflected it again. The roots are starting to take hold, but a tree doesn't grow in a week. You're right, yeah, And I'm getting screamed at and I'm like, yuys, I don't think you understand. Like four years I've been doing entire weeks and having entire CMA festival all girls, and like, if you don't pay attention to this, now is going to be a problem. Well now it's the problem. Yeah. Yeah, But as you you're seeing it on level one and your level one, you're you're creating the songs which get to the artists. The artists cut them there then picked the label to take some services them to radio. So it's crazy I have Actually this is happening on Wednesday nights. It's Monday. But um, but your buddies with Caitlin Smith. I love we are doing Girls Nashville Wednesday. But that's kind of it's not where it originated from. It wasn't a place of like there's no girls being heard. We need to be heard. But it's a show in Nashville. It's only it's four times a year, so we do like Girls this summer is happening this week. But I remember us like the first show we had having fourteen girls on the stage and it was like Lucy Sylvius was there and Marrin. It was this crazy thing that happened. But I just remember being there thinking we have to do this again. But part of it was like even within each other, every show has a difference. Never feels business he to us to us being on it never feels that way. But I think it just like recharges our hearts, which says she's us. That sounds um like just please do what you do best, like sarabucks didn't get up here and saying whatever you want to Nicole come saying like just take two songs to take the spotlight, put it all on you, because it's the talents here. It's not like there's a lack of talent um. But it's been fun to be a part of that for me because it's made me, I think, just believing what's coming up in this town. And like I've watched Caitlin Smith unleash her artistry in that moment of like just you can tell there's no thought. No, it's not that she didn't care. She was just getting to fully like being her song and let her talent just like explode in that moment and saying with Lucy and I don't know, there's just so much out there that the bummer is that people are missing out on it. Because I remember listening to Martina and Faith and again, everything is cyclical. The one thing that I've now been around long enough on my thirties, I've been around long enough to see everything comes in cycles. Yeah, and what happens is they're screw ups. Yeah, and this is a This is how a problem, a problem in my mind works. So you have a problem, yeah, you fix it. It's fixed, so then you don't worry about it anymore. And then why you're not worrying about it, it it becomes a problem again and just it's just a constant thing. Anyway, I'm actually doing I'm not going to be there, but I'm doing so. I have a line of girl Power line of work. Yes, you guys are going to have your stuff there, and so we're working with a charity together. Thanks for doing letting us put yourself out there with us because we have so many people they come to the show and it's for a great cause. Like all the stuff that I do like that or is all attached to a charity. And so I'm glad you guys are whendn't talk about that before you came in, But yeah, yeah, that's what there's already have like my tank tops picked out, and I'm hoping that I remind myself to go get them before the show starts, otherwise I might have to track you down later and be like whatever. You might never they happen. I know the bag and everything that's I've been seeing them out like Whole Food and the turnup truck. People have their bags with the four favorite things on them. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well that's so cool. Thank you, Um, congratulations. I think I'll play you singing a little bit? Oh? Thanks, that's like my I put that on the record because whenever I go home to Texas and play people, are you going to play speckled bird? Or they'll call me that, like, hey, speckled birds. Oh you know what, I should lean back into the computer for a second, because by the way, I totally lean back and checked out of my spot. It was betting comfortable there. So this and I didn't put this on the wall here, but Lindsay comes out Friday. That's right, And so hold that minute, Mike, Why do I suck at this? Dude? Hold on? Here we go. So what happened was so there are twelve songs on Lindsay's record, and nine of them she wrote, and three of them or outside or outside and like female, she's like heavy female female female. So space is a song that you wrote and Caitlyn, Yeah, and my friend Maggie Chapman, and so it's on the record. We wrote in Austin, running out of it. It's the fun out of your atmosphere, Membo. When you were right here, right here and we Burla the sun, she said, tell you how by the way she loves you baby. We was so good. I didn't tell that she's on the road because it recus the next weekend, so I know we tried to get her for a Wednesday, but I know she's a crazy and she was like, oh my, you know we wrote space. Are you out there with the stars? All the sue in your eyes? I don't know. You said there you need it. I said that I don't wait, baby, I hate this space when you guys write this because I heard the work tape and I think Caitlin sang the de Caitlin sang it, and she but she sang it the day after the c m as, so I'm sure her voice was like, well, it's fantastic, Caitlin. Fun fact, we started this podcast partially because Caitlin, because I'm friends with Caitlin, and Caitlin did the Million Dollar Show last year. Brought her out and you know, it was like Garth and I was like, Caitlin, come sing a song, just come sing, and I know the crowd's gonna and Caitlyn is awesome, like as a person, Scammon opened some shows. Force on the Road is way too good to do that. But she's awesome, And I was like, Caitlin, I texted her like, Hey, I'm gonna start this podcast about like behind the scenes in Nashville songwriting. I was like, we come up and be like one of the first guests, and it was like her and Ryan heard Ryan had his thing, and so yeah, she's postically responsible for this seventy can episodes. That's so awesome. So well, thanks for thanks for coming by, thanks for letting me up in your comfany chairs. Yeah, I appreciate it. What is there anything like? So what do you do tomorrow? Tomorrow? I am writing twice, um, and I'm playing the Bluebird Cafe. Okay, let me ask you this. That's three things. That's a busy day. If you're writing twice, do you save your better ideas for the right that you think could be better? Well, I've already half written the Morning Song, so I'm just finishing that song. But actually the Morning Song I got from as somebody's hashtag on We're already a song called old Truck New Love. We're finishing Jordan Mitten and Aaron ass and I are finishing that song. And then I've been screenshotting a lot from Instagram when people people will like say the coolest things, and then I'm like, oh, that's a song. That's a song, that's a song used to be picturest or I like dive into pictures. But um, so I do need to find an idea from Matt. I kind of think I know what I'm going to take for the second right for the second right, and who you're writing with secondly, Matt Dragstrum, and then I think his name the other guy. He's a Tree Vibes writer, Andy Albert. I think he's a Tree Vibes. That might be wrong on that, yeah, but he's he's new to me, um and I'm new him. But Matt and I have written a bunch. And then I'm doing the nine o'clock Show over at while John Mayor's playing on with the blue word you know what's and it doesn't suck but yet, so you're doing that. I want to watch Sean may in Minneapolis. I'm such a Yeah, I love John, but I can't go tomorrow. What can I'm doing stand up at the Opery. They haven't had a comedian forever, and they were like coming, yeah, so I'm doing stand up at the Operator during May and I picked. They were like, okay, if you want to go to mega, we understand, And I was like, no, because I've played the Opery but yes, but I've never done stand up at the opera and it was such a big deal to bring comedy back, and I was like, that is cool. It used to be like Grandpa Jones did that. I know, I know, and so there's a lot of pressure for me, like Jerry Clower and like my grandma and I would. So I was like, I can go watch John in another city at a time. So I'm gonna go to the Opery and you're doing the Blue Bird. See we're being like very Nashurvill to Worrow. We are where. Yeah, well, thanks, thank you for coming by, Thanks for having me. I was, I'm telling you, I was just brag. In my brain, I was like why did I stop her and say I And I couldn't remember what it was stuff like I don't even know if it was around then, but the rest doesn't resonate in my heart, like right of this thing to me, that like the cocaine Jesus thing is like you remind me of like, um, how I feel about well because I wrote it. I don't mean like Tumann Horne or anything like that, but I used to be obsessed, and I still am because I saw it the other day Heartbreaker with Ryan Adams. Do you ever get into Ryanodoms? I got into Ryan Adams like when New York, New York. I'm not super Ryan Adams cool, but I'm kind of Ryan Adams cool. That might be my level too, Okay, like I can I'm not like versing everything. When he started writing albums in the studio, I wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna know everything about it. But there's something, there's that feeling I need some songs in that one. I'm glad you played it because I hadn't heard it on really pretty speakers, just on my phone. I'm like, I'm like Ryan Adams guy, when you're when you ask ty swept record, that's the kind of yeah, yeah, I can get into That's awesome. But let me see um. Do you know Jillian Jacqueline Yes, I love her. So she's been doing some shows with Ryan Adams. Oh I saw that. And the weird thing is she's going to come out and open because Carly Pearson is a few more shows. She's opening U my stand up, but Jillian's coming out and opening it for me for the fourth quarter and I'm like, man from the coolest to the absolute dorkiest. I mean it is like her world, like because she sent me an into story opening for Ryan Adams and St. Louis and she Ryan Adams was playing like three days before us and there was a raging idiot. Things had sold out and I was like, oh, you're not for a tree. Let me tell you. The Ryan Adams crowd of the Raging Indians crowd are not the same crowd. Sometimes the crowd is a vibe, and then I guess I have a different experience. Do you know what Ryan adams most stream song is. You'll never guess. It's wonder Wold. Really, I wouldn't have guessed that one. I would have guessed the one about the F bomb in the middle of it. It's crazy. This is his most streame song. It's not even his song. I guess Ryan Adams is so cool that the mainstream doesn't. Isn't Ryan that I'm saying yeah to the day. You know? He also when the Stars Go Blue? Yes, his version is so good. Evening like this is a jam one yeah where death seventh Streets like that makes me feel like warm in my heart, doesn't saved. I gotta save this. It's been a while been Yeah, you're gonna wormholes of music and you're like, oh, I don't forget about this. I know, I wish you know. It's so funny when Rols and I were first starting to write, like and nobody cared what we did. We're like, we thought everybody, when they like the Big Riders, would sit around and like get inspired, like listen to these records and then go right, wouldn't realize like they don't have time to like brush their teeth munch less, you know. Like, but we had this, I think, just a romantic sized idea of what was happening. So I remember once I went over to housing he was living over in Bellevue, and we listened to like the Whole White Album from the Beatles, and I think I went I think it was like, we're not going to talk. We're just closed to the record, and then I'll go home and absorb everything we just heard in the Little Retta song. How did that work out? I think we're done great. Yeah, I think I think we're like we this is what all the legends are doing. And then you get in that world and they're like, oh, my gosh, somebody wore a pizza. Nobody wants to go to store for down days. Like every slaying guitar man has so much it might need to drop into that rabbit And I went into this when Kip came by. I went into the Springsteening rabbit hole, like the old you know, old Springsteen stuff and just sometimes it's just good to find that old, awesome music that makes you know. Have you seen the on HBO, the one of the documentary that everybody's been watching. I haven't yet, but I've talked to somebody'll love it. You cannot like Dr Dre or Jimmy Ivan. You will love it. Be so inspired by the whole thing. That's what I keep hearing. Defiant ones. Yeah, Brett watched it and we had a dinner for like the people. Tom Douglas was there, like Ross and Tom just came by here a couple weeks ago. Yeah, we're all talking about like just that came up and it was like that was the conversation to see this. It's like two people that come from two different places with no real advantages in life and now they are bell gionaires and it and it doesn't go from a to B but it goes from ABC, D, E F G all the way. I mean it's and that's a difference. That was like, where's the meat of the timeline of that? Is that like early? Well it's started. Yeah. So Jimmy Ivan was basically Bruce Springsteen tape guy like he would. He was just running tape. Okay, that's what they were talking about because that was the big and he would be there before and after, but at night he was producing, Uh Patty Patty Smith secretly, Oh, listen to the story. I want to tell you a story for the I won't run it from the first episode and something something I was blown away by. Right, So he's running tape for Bruce Springsteen. He meets Patti Smith and Patty Smith punk you know, and so he starts talking about the song, the song that Bruce had written, and he's like, Patty, listen to the tape, need to cut it. She wouldn't listen to tape. She's like, only cut my own songs. She's like, I only cut on songs. Only cut on songs, right, And so she wouldn't listen to the tape. She wouldn't listen to the tape. And I'm just like what I wonder what this song is? You know that that she won't listen to because I know what's going to come to a head eventually. And usually I'm pretty good with music, like I have a pretty good not even just tape, but I'm just like a encyclopedia of music. And so there's this song by ten thousand Maniacs and I'm gonna, let's gonna play it here, and I've heard it a million times a whole on a second, why can I not find this ten one to three? Here? We go to that there song by ten Maniacs, right, and from m plugged. I don't know if you ever watched mptving m plugged back in the day, but I remember this song like crazy, and I, you know, because to Night from Yeah, and so this ended up being their version of it. So I knew this from tens Manias and that's all I knew it from. Now what Jimmy Happeen did is this was the song that Bruce Springsteen wrote, put it on a tape, gave it to Patti Smith, and this is what the original version was. I had no idea that it blows my mind. And this was her biggest hit me. Bruce wrote it and she wrote on it as well, but it was Bruce's. Yeah, he's the one that got it to turn a banquet on which we f that's like an iconic song. I didn't know it was a cover. I'm such an idiot. And then I did you know that might? I didn't know that wasn't watching that show. Did you know anyway? You'll like, you'll love it? Okay, now I have, like definitely had to. But that was for me. I was like, damn, I'm so blown away that I didn't know that. Such an idiot. But then to hear the story of him running tape when he was at there sixteen hours a day with Bruce producing her Yeah, so cool. Listen the song. Listen to song asking Bruce for permission to give it away because he wasn't going to use it. Can we make your song legendary? Yes, it's pretty awesome. I'm me think about it. Well, thank you for coming, bye, thank you? Yeah? Sorry? We go down many more more like what Episodes, Episode seventy four, Heather Morgan, what's your name? On Instagram? Heather eleven and eleven is spelled out head their eleven? Why is it that well, because it was my lucky number when you were eleven. You set it up. I just like the number eleven. I see eleven eleven on the clock. It's so weird to say that, but um my album had eleven songs on it, but now I'm adding one to make it twelve, and I wanna call it eleven plus one. I don't want to mess up. Let me know when that record is ready. I want to hear it for sure. It's good to see you, Thank you. We're gonna go. 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