Club 520 - Metta World Peace on injuring Michael Jordan, playing with Kobe Bryant, guarding LeBron

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Hey, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.399 shout out to Melly, Shout out to JM. 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:37.200 Got it in them all, Mike. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.160 Shout out to the merged game gate. To my right, 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:43.880 my dog young, not your young teag. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:44.640 How you a man? 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.600 Good man, hype man. We got another legend in the building. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.440 Oh man, he was with your pacers. Yes, sir, he 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.520 got play for the pacers. I ain't do what he did, 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.560 but I got a chance. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:56.560 To be on the team. But now I'm glad we 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.320 got him in the building. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.520 Man, i'n'a let you do the honors and introduce listen man, 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:01.560 anytime we can get a legend in the building, especially 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:02.640 a PACER's legend building. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:03.280 You know what it is. 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.680 We gigged about this, you've seen this man, champion, philanthropist, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.000 one of the first people to speak about how important 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.440 it is for black Ben to go to therapy, to 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.560 have a release for their mental health and to use 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.040 this platform for other people to feel that type of 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.600 relief that they needed got the Dog Metalworld Police Man 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.400 appreciate of twenty Big. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.000 God, thanks for having me man, Yeah. 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:25.000 Thanks for. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:34.480 What that has said. How you would that's flying? That's 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.560 the first time hearing that. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:41.079 That's sound lingo. That's good. You didn't hear you miss 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:41.359 the place. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.720 You didn't want to hear that, But you a PACER's 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.280 legend being in the city before. We like, how was 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.080 it being in the city when the pacers was like lit? 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.560 Like y'all was it? How was that feeling in the 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.799 city because you always got a lot of love, especially 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.680 for the way you played, Like a lot of people 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.880 don't understand how we embrace our players here, Like if 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.600 you come to that you who were rock with you forever? 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.440 I love nap you know, so the history with that 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.680 but is interesting because I grew up a Nick fan. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:10.080 I actually grew up a Boll fan. 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.880 You know, Michael Jordan is like Lebron James. So I'm 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.640 from New York by how throwing the bulls bandwagon, but 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.080 definitely a nick guy. I love New York. But the 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:22.000 crazy thing about the Paces I have my hood in Queens. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.720 We tied to the Paces Sean Green playing for the Paces. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.640 Vern Fleming I walked, you know, right the same block 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.120 Veron Fleman. You know, that's when he's from the hood 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:37.040 and when we've seen the Paces uniform since we was young. 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.960 Then I get to the Paces and then Vern Fleming 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.840 is my coach. So it was just crazy being able 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.720 somebody I idolize is now passing the rock while we're 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.160 getting shot to Yeah, he never I had. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.400 Never really seen him because he was older. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.480 But every day I just would think about, damn, Vern 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.200 Fleming is passing me the ball in practice and he's 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.880 sitting right here, you know, here next to me on 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.720 the bench. So you know, the paces are super special 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:06.800 to us. You know a lot of people don't real understand, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.160 but the pace is super special. And then when I 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.720 came here, my whole family came here. Then obviously I 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.760 left and they just parked. You know, we got about 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.360 thirty family members here right now. When I left, it 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:21.640 was maybe ten. But we popping babies out. You know, 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.159 the artist's you know name, and the Holmes, my other 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.960 you know, my mom's last name. You know, we got 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.000 a couple of the last names. But the bloodline is like, 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:34.160 we love Naptown, we love Indiana, you know, and we always. 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:35.960 Will the lineage and that's crazy. 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.559 Hold on, hold on, and we get a classic burn 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:39.880 story burned our guy. 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.360 Yeah, that's good to hear. That's good to hear. 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.600 Like that's you know what I'm saying. You got a 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.760 classic story that you can share with us that ain't 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:47.279 too fit. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.760 Yeah. Man, well I got the stories. I'm forty four. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:52.880 I came here. I was twenty twenty two. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:58.600 So Vern's niece has a baby with my cousin, So 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:03.960 that's one. That's one story. Yeah, And his brother was nice. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:08.919 I don't know, his victor's brother nice, super nice. And 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.640 then I played in you know, local ball with Lou 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.160 Guns who coached Verne Fleming also, so it's like a 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.080 lot of different I don't have any other stories because 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.320 you know, he like when he went to the league 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:22.839 a lot of people still, you know, we're still in 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.159 the hood that he played with, but they were so 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.440 so much older than us. Those stories over our head. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.360 He was he was like a kind of a good guy, 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:32.920 not getting in any trouble. So it was it wasn't 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.039 a lot of stories out there. You didn't verne go 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:35.640 play ball. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:37.320 You never heard any crazy stories. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.160 Yeah, we got to take it back though. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.280 We said a little off my conversation about the ad 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.400 you days, you was probably one of the best at 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:45.200 YOU teams ever. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:47.360 Some say it's the best ever. 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:52.880 That's crazy for sure. Up for debate, that's one hundred percent. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.920 But to hear people say it, it's wild because we 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.440 felt like that, you know, and but people started to 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.679 say it, even like the younger generation. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.640 I'm like, how do they even find out? But the 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:06.560 team was sick, you know. 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.160 You had you had me and Eric Barkley picking up 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.440 full court, were picking up ninety four feet, you know. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.400 Then you had Lamar Oldham who was six eleven point 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.000 guard at that time, you know, high school Elton brand 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.320 who was always the best. Lamar was always number two, 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.040 and then me Eric was always like tied for three. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:25.479 And then we had a couple of people that was 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:26.320 not far behind. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:27.799 Reggie Jesse came off the bench. 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.080 Reggie Jesse, My god, that's crazy. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.000 That's the same legend for sure. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:33.960 That's incredible, man. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.960 And I felt bad for him because he playing on 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.000 our team and we all team ball players, so nobody 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.120 nobody had twenty, nobody had thirty. 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:44.560 Elton average fourteen. 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.760 I averaged twelve pointy eight, you know, So it was 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.880 all about hustle and Reggie you know. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.320 He's a team player, Lamar, you see, Lamar, my team player. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:53.640 You know. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.400 I was the man on my team's here. But when 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:56.600 I went to the lake, I had to play a role. 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.560 I can play a role easy, that's easy, you know, 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.480 you know, full five, be effective. That's how we played. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.360 It wasn't about how many shots you missed. It was 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.560 about just trying to win. So I was never worried 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.160 about field goal percentage. And that's how we all That's 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.560 how we all were, and we respected Elton as the 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.760 best player on the team, you know. And then guys 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.560 like Reggie, you know, he wouldn't play as much, so 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.640 he he could have went somewhere else. Yeah, but nobody 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.640 was thinking about, Oh I played on this team. I'm 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.400 not gonna get scouted. We was thinking about winning now, 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.120 you know. And so it was like, you know, he 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:30.280 he sacrificed a lot. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.880 Did you ever go up against Tim Thomas squad. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.520 Was a year older than us. We were younger. Tim 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.720 gave us forty one time for the show. 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:40.520 Was he really like that in high school? 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:40.680 Oh? 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.000 My goodness. He was pretty solid league. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.160 He was nice, played the same way, played the same way, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.200 played the same way. But he was older than us. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.800 But he gave us forty. He was a tournament called Portchester. 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.320 So port Chester it was New York's at his finals 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.960 with no foules. It was a high school tournament fouls. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.840 So it's the only tournament, like there is no tournament, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.960 the only tournament like this. So you can literally, you know, 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.560 you want a fast break. They had, They're coming at 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:13.080 your head. Is everybody wasn't just me? This was like 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.120 the league and you know. And then so in that 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.440 tournament he had forty in a small gym. 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:19.760 That's when I knew he was the truth. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:21.320 I was playing above the realm. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.760 Tournament was it was? It was one of my favorite 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.320 A lot of people don't know about Portchester. 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.400 It was one of my favorite. I wouldn't have played that. Yeah, 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.240 like football, if you. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:36.199 Started to Lindy, you was a real. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:46.360 Night crazy yeah, yeah, but yeah, exactly, it really was. 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.280 It was high school too, because the streets in New 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.320 York was like tough playing in the streets, but this 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.959 it was like an organized tournament and you wouldn't expect 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.240 you wouldn't expect it to be that aggressive. But Tim, 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.440 Tim had he remember one game he had ten threes. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.959 I remember the game, and Tim was Tim was the 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:01.600 truth for sure. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:03.800 I had to ask about it. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.240 Man, we could move on, but I had, I mean 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.760 speaking about like high schooling around that time. Is there 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.960 anybody like New York is a basketball state? Is there 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.520 anybody we like wouldn't know that was like super nice? 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.040 Like you said, those guys, Is there anybody else from 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:18.439 New York? 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.000 That was so many guys, so so many guys. And 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.480 when I came into the league, I will always shout 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.400 out the guys that nobody heard about because I felt. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:28.880 Like I was obligated. You know. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.000 It was a guy named Mike Chaffill from my neighborhood, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.560 Mike Chatfield. I was thirteen. He beat me thirty two 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.480 to two. You know he was tough. He later died 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.480 on twenty ten on I had a my name, his 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.440 name inscribed in my head, said Chatty. 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:45.960 He died in a drug deal. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.880 But you know it was players like that that, you know, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.760 they didn't have the support. You know, they didn't have 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.120 the father figures and stuff. So they you know, they 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.480 go on other routes. But he stands out and other 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.600 than some players just current make it some and have 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.480 the street side, but they didn't have the guidance you 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:04.280 could a guy like Ali. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:05.280 You probably heard all. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:15.240 Elitec god bro Well look legit, legit. I played against 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.120 Alibum plenty of times six eight, you know, thrown behind 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.840 the back past his full court now on target on 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.599 time at sixth eight, like he was. He was incredible, 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:25.600 even though he was in the street playing street ball. 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.200 I actually brought him to Indiana because he was going 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.880 through a lot. He was trying to train. So I'm like, Alimo, 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.320 if you want to play in the league, you gotta 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.320 work cross. I brought him out to Indiana. He was 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.880 in the pacers gym were working working them out. Yeah, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:38.920 I worked out all Actually, Chatty was in the pace. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.280 We was all out here one year, everybody working, just 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.880 working on our game, you know, when we had access 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.079 to the gym, but it was a lot of players. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.199 You know that that I thought was nice. 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.400 For sure, Dan been a pacer, Larry, we could have 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.480 had off the back. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.920 Jamal. We had no cardio. He had no cardio at 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:57.280 that time. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.280 But that's a testament to him because out here from 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.679 we all know, Andre Owen said the same thing about you. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:03.839 Man. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.559 He said he used to have runs out tenth and 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.680 Post and he used to come up there and who 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.400 with him and he was like, man, you can play. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.199 And you called Larry and him up there to watch 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.200 him work out, and he got He made the Facers 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:14.120 team because of that. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:18.080 That was It was random because I respect Andre's work ethic, 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:22.360 even though he get all the foul calls. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:26.840 To this day, he still ow me some calls. 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:29.320 You can't You're. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.040 Not gonna win a battle with Andre. You ain't winning 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.000 no battle. But I'd be like, man, your boy. Then 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.160 he's gonna get mad, he's gonna poke his chests out. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:42.760 I ain't getting no fould andres my god. But he's tough. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.240 You know, he was solid, and you know I wanted 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.920 to rock with him. Honestly, I felt like he's a dog, 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.640 and I forgot that he was actually on our team, 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.360 but I felt like he was a dog. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:54.959 He said that. Man, shout out to you. 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.320 Definitely, man, definitely, I was. I love playing with dogs, man, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.600 I'm not gonna lie. It was every practice that we 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.360 was in Indiana practices, it was intense. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:05.320 Man. 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.640 That's the craziest part is like obviously when you came 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.960 to Indy and then the team they formed, like that's 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.000 the one. Somebody was like the Pacers might win the 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.000 championship like we were. I felt, in the heart of 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.120 hearts we had a contented team. I don't get to 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.360 say that often. You know what I'm saying. Years of heartbreak, 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.840 I get it, But that time period especially, I was like, 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:23.400 we have everything we needed. 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:24.800 When this ship, I feel like we were the best 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.120 team in the league. That's the best patience team ever. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.400 Yeah, but for sure, oh hold on, yeah, and no 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.120 disrespect to the teams and went to the finals with 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:33.319 j Rose Mark Jackson. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.760 Here, it was different, brof we believed it. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.679 Then pin strips, bro I mean a little flowed, but 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.960 then that was different, like they knew what time it 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:45.560 was with us. 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.000 Y'all had a bunch of two way players. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.640 Yeah, everybody was. Everybody was too way. Yeah, you know, 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:54.520 everybody was two way. Jamaine could have won Defensive Player. Yeah, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.800 you know, I thought he should have won MVP. And 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.160 I don't know, KG is my dude. It's not to 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.400 you know, slight him. But let's just give Jamaine his flowers. Sure, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.439 you know, because people forget that Jamayne once he actually 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.120 finished third, I thought he should have been MVP because 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.560 he was the best on that team. We won sixty 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.920 one games. Nice, we was five seven games ahead of 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.240 everybody else, So well what does that mean? 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:20.800 You know? So I feel like Jamaine was getting slighter, 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:21.520 and so many do. 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.560 He's so professional, you know, he's I brought him down 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.520 a little bit when I left, you know, when I 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.360 can request the trades. You know, he don't get the MVP, 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.880 and he's still resilient. It's still fly like he was 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.440 two years old, you know. But we definitely had a 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:40.600 lot of two way players. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.520 I gotta ask you talk about just a little bit, 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.160 but we would love to hear it again if possible. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.520 Your legendary pickup game with MJ Man, How was that 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.080 playing ball with the goat. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.600 Incredible. It was incredible because so I'm from I'm from 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.600 you know, from New York. To pickup basketball is what 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.440 we take it serious. So that's all I know, you know, 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:03.720 is to is to work hard. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.040 So MJ. I idolized MJ. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.000 You know, turn I got Defensive Player of the Year 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.319 and his number, that's his number, that's twenty three. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.839 That ain't nothing but MJ. Man So. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.560 And then when I was nineteen, we had these open runs, 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.160 and you know how we play open runs. You know 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.360 some Andre Owens. He would have loved these runs MJ. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.200 When he The problem with MJ is when he get 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.480 the ball, he gonna score. So that's where you mess 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.120 up by letting him catch it. So every time he 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.600 would catch it, he was scoring. Some on my head, 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.440 I'm just like, I can't let this dude touch the ball. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.000 So he was posting me up one time and I 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.800 was trying to deny, and they had referees in open runs. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.320 So as I was trying to deny him, you know, 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.360 as I was denying him, I just moved his arm 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.480 out the way, you know, and then as I moved 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.720 to arm, I hit him with my right level and 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.400 they hit him in his ribs and then you know, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.480 his ribs cracked his ribs and then so I seen 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.160 him go like this, but I ain't think nothing another it. 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.320 So I seen him holding it. So we go down, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.280 we miss the shot. MJ give me the ball, MJ 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.320 get the ball, He hold it, come down free throw line, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:11.360 game winner, and walk. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.600 Off the court. I'm like, damn, MJ. Nice. 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.360 And then the next day I get a I seen 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:21.560 in the media said Metaworld piece punched MJ. You know it, 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.280 said mat and run out of test punched MJ and 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.280 broke his ribs. So now I'm sick. I'm sure I 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.320 can't leave the house. I'm not going to practices in summertime. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.320 But we're still training. So I'm and my agent called me. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.880 My agent called me, He like, where are you at? 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:42.200 I said, read read the paper. I'm I'm depressed. This 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.680 is my guy. And the MJ called me, and MJ 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.120 I was really depressed. He said, hey's all right, Man's 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.600 all right, young fella. Just on the phone. It's all right, 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.640 young fella, it happens. You're gonna be good. I know 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:54.280 you didn't mean, I. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:54.640 Said, MJ. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.120 And my bad man. I was just playing hard. But 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.520 those runs. It was intense, I believe. Yeah, it was intense. 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.480 We was going hard. And m J actually asked me 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.560 to come back, you know, he was like, hey, I 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.520 want you to come back. And I was young and 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.400 I was like, he was like, yeah, could you giving 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.840 me that work? But I was, I was in my 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.160 prime and at nineteen I was. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:15.360 I was. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.120 My defense was crazy the whole time. My offense wasn't there, 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.960 so it wasn't highlighted, but my defense was like, you know, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:22.600 it was definitely a lead at nineteen. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.200 Oh yeah, you know you was full of energy one time. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:26.600 Yeah, not tired. Don't get tired. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.480 When did that offense click though? Because you can't? Hey 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:34.520 you started killing? When did that click for you? 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:34.800 Like? 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.800 All right, I know I can guard everybody. I'm locking 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.840 everybody up, but I get buckets too well. 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.280 You know, Like so when I was young, I wasn't 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.400 able to score. At some point in time my high school, 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:44.680 I was scoring the rock. I was hitting threes and 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.320 all this stuff. I got to college. You know, for me, 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.400 I want to win. So if we're losing the game, 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.440 I'm just I'm a hustle mob. I'm not thinking about offense. 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.160 I'm thinking about running, I'm thinking about closing out, and 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.400 so I don't have no legs for offense. So you know, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:00.840 a lot of time I was in college, out have 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.040 eleven points, eight points, you know, maybe fifteen points for me. 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:05.480 That's that's a great night for me. 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:07.840 When I got to the league, I was at averaging eleven, 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.760 averaging twelve, and then we were losing. We losing, So 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.520 I said, I had to work on my game because 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.320 I can't I can't keep leaving us a chance. 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:16.400 So every year I kept improving, just. 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.359 In the gym, you know, four times a day in 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.520 the gym almost you know, five to seven hours every 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.520 day working on my game. 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.040 And I just paldled on. I just kept getting better. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.240 And then when I got Defensive Player of the Year, 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.359 I was averaging eighteen. That next summer, I was in 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.880 the gym every day. So then Larry Bird was coming 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.320 down to the gym, and then Larry was working me 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:37.800 every day. I said, I'm not about to miss out 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.080 on this opportunity. I'm in the gym every day. I 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.479 had to leave Indiana, you know, and then I just 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.000 I was getting better every week. Every two weeks game 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.119 was agatting crazy, and I came back. I was averaging 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.920 twenty plus. You know, I was like, before I got suspended, 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.720 I was at twenty four. I was at twenty four game. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:52.919 What happened? 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.959 Well back then, you know, God's to hold you. So 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.679 I had to figure out how to score off one dribble. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.640 So you'll see a lot and and that in that year. 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.639 You'll see jab wonderuble shot once you were right shot, 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.440 you know, okay, you know, or one double layer, wonduble, 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.320 wonderable layer. And I had to, you know, figure out 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.720 a way to get people off me and get to 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.760 the basket. And then Carlisle kept saying, you know, stop 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.199 holding the ball. You're holding the ball too long. So 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:19.560 I'm like, but you mean i'm holding this, you know 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.200 what you So I said, all right, if he's saying 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.760 I'm holding the ball too long, I'm gonna get buckets 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.320 before you can say you're holding the ball too you know, 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:34.360 says when I would get the ball cash Eventually he's 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.400 just one day he was in practice. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.640 He said, no, you finished that. 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.600 One day he's in practice. He was like, Ron, you're 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.480 a unique scirl. You have their unique ability to drive 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.360 middle and shoot. 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Had to go 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.879 to the hospital because I was playing from seven am 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.320 to seven pm, right, so then I have to go 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.240 to the hospital. I caught pneumonia, but I caught an 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:45.120 issue in my valve in my lungs, so I get drafted. 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.399 They missed the whole thing before I'm assigned my contract. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:53.080 Donny Wall saying, and you got blood leaking in your lungs, said, 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.080 what you mean? I go to the doctor. They say, 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.879 we got to open you up. What so they had 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:00.720 they was gonna open my chest up, and I'm like, 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:01.960 I get I'm like, get this ship. I'm not get 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.320 it over with. So my my agent, Mark bottles team. 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:08.639 He's like, He's like, I'm not letting him open up 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.280 your chest. I said, well, let's just get it over 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:12.600 a year and a half. I'm like, we'll just do 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:14.760 it whatever. Then they said, now we're gonna go. We're 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.600 gonna go through your underone. It's gonna be you. It'd 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.920 be about eight months, so cool, get it over with. 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.120 And then Mark said, nah, I'm not letting it go down. 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.840 So then Mark was researching. They went through an artery 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:33.360 in my thigh. They plugged up the hole in my heart. 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:37.040 So this whole time, I'm working extra hard and I'm like, damn, 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.160 why am I always tired in the first quarter? 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:39.720 You know. 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:41.119 I'm like, oh, I'm always tired me. 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:45.080 And meanwhile I'm I'm playing defense exhausted every time. 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:46.120 Man. 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.000 When they did the surgery, the doctor said it took 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:50.960 forty minutes. I went I went from being out a 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.199 year and a half to a forty minute surgery. The 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.840 doctor said, don't play basketball. I was in Chicago. I 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:00.560 went to Chicago surgery over he said, don't do anything 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.440 for a week. I drive right back to the gym, 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:08.080 to paces and I go right to work. Right my 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:11.400 heart stop my chest. So I caught called the train 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.120 and no trainers. I called my doctor. I said, your dot, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:15.959 my heart is like something happened and was pumping out 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:16.359 my chest. 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:18.760 He said, what are you doing? I said, I'm working out? 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:19.720 He said, did I tell you? 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:22.640 Did I tell you the work out? So I took 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.320 off about I took off like two weeks, and then 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.199 I came back that next ship. It was crazy. I 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.399 have so much energy. B yeah, the blood. I was 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.119 playing with blood in my lungs. I had this one cough, 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.679 coughed up some blood. It was natural. And then you know, 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.200 ever since then, I was just like the game became 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:42.879 easier for me. 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.720 It was crazy that you had to fight yourself just 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:47.720 against them, and now. 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:53.399 You mocking them or died. Allright, I'm back to pick 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:53.920 up next week. 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.160 But that shout out to you, though agent, a great 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.440 agent is a great agent. But like a lot of guys, 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.680 they agent wanted to know that they want to took 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:12.439 those steps to do that. 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.359 He cared, even though I wasn't with him for a 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:17.400 long time because I had other things I was going through. 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:19.520 I should have never I should have never part of 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:20.040 the ways of Mark. 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.800 But I want to give him credit because without him 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:24.439 my check, I would haven They would open. 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:25.160 Me up for sure. 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:27.640 And like you said, there's a lot of a lot 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:29.560 of agents that would have just took that first opinion. 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.560 Also life that could have altered your whole career, especially 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:34.119 that time period that a little bit more lenient with 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.840 players now developing. Being I hurt a year back then 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.000 was really like two and a half. That could have 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:40.520 set your career all the way back. 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:41.960 Yeah, I was, I was. I was. 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.359 I was devastating because you know, I played so hard 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.359 and it was just it was just so many things 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:52.120 going through my mind, you know. And and and Marcus like, nah, 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:55.320 we were gonna find something else. And he found somebody 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:59.600 from overseas that lived in Chicago to do the special surgery. 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.840 Credible, that's crazy, that's dope. 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.680 Who and what do you say young players? Now I 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.359 know you still follow league. Who are the young players 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:09.760 say remind you of you? Or that you favorite a lot? 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:10.920 Yeah? 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:12.880 You know, And I always I always answered this question 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.360 with I kind of reverse it. Who would I want 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:20.120 to be like. That's because like my career, it would 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:23.520 have been different if I was I was unstable. I 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:26.200 was just playing off the talent. I had the hard work. 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:28.520 I still got a lot of awards. But who I 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:32.320 want to be like Kawhi Lennett one? I could you 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:33.719 know what I'm saying, I would love it to have 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.240 been like him or and now I'm looking at this 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:41.840 Naxie kid. Oh my good, he's both ways huh oh 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:42.960 he is so nice. 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:44.120 I like his game. 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:47.960 But kawhile Linney, it's somebody I felt like that would 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:48.760 have been my career. 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:50.160 I could definitely see that. 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.600 That's like, if it was a little more he was, 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:59.200 he'd be the best player in the league. 0:24:56.640 --> 0:25:03.680 And U only six two bro, no way, Yeah yeah 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:05.440 maxic for Philly. 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:12.640 Yeah, like my being wrong, like it makes it even 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:17.440 crazy size and the fact that you compare yourself to him. 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.359 It is incredible. Bro. But yeah, he ain't. 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:20.560 He ain't. That's crazy. 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:27.679 Because somebody kept telling me I got to watch this 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:29.600 kid because I watch a little bit. I don't watch 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:31.399 a lot of basketball, watch a little bit, you know. 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:36.000 I watch more boxing, love boxing, And somebody said, you 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.159 gotta wash this kid. You gotta wash this kid. And 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:40.440 they've been telling me for years and when I watched him, 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.440 I dam she's nice. 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.119 I thought he was six seven. That's crazy that you 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:46.080 thought he was tall. 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:49.720 Like six all right, Well, you know you know that's 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.640 not told Kawhi. Yeah, another player. 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.840 That's definitely, yeah, for sure, that was that's that's right. 0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:59.680 Mexic Carrier that was about six five. The world will 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:03.120 be in Yeah, it would be different. Man. 0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:05.320 Now I got asked you about this. Obviously played for 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:07.280 a couple of different teams. What was your favorite seed 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:07.760 to play in? 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:11.760 My favorite city outside that? 0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.199 Outside of that, it's a lot of different variable I 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:14.720 played in l A. 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:15.560 L A was crazy. 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:22.200 I would say Chicago was pretty insane because MJ was dead, 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:24.800 you know, and they was. They was behind us too, man, 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:28.520 they was behind us. But I gotta say l A 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.920 l A. You know, l A the energy And then 0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:33.800 it was crazy because when you came into that building, 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.159 the fans knew somebody was getting locked up. 0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:37.760 It was a different It. 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:42.359 Was a different energy, like y'all good tonight, how y'all 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.840 feel tonight, don't worry too much. 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.640 It was a different energy. So NAP is always gonna 0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:48.119 be in there. 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:50.239 But you said, but I would say, la, because you're 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:55.200 playing with Kobe and you're playing for championships. I almost 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:56.760 didn't even go to the Lakers. I was actually trying 0:26:56.760 --> 0:27:01.320 to come back to Naptown. Actually, really, I was trying 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.359 to come back to Indiana. That was my first choice. 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:09.840 The history. It was too much, too much history, dude. 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:12.320 You know, can I be trusted? Can I be relied on? 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:15.480 You know? I wasn't a reliable player, so put me 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:16.320 in a bad spot. 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:20.560 See my favorite version of you as your career went. 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.000 I love when you was in Houston, boy, came with 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:26.760 the mallhawk. You was getting buckets. That's what I was like, 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.240 Damn me really get buckets. 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:30.439 Were still rapping. 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:34.480 I was still rapping. I did four albums my last year. 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:36.800 Not nobody heard. I put on his iTunes. I did 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:40.920 four albums my last season. I took it off. 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:41.240 I took it. 0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:46.480 Wasn't like it wasn't it was just quick sixteen songs. 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.720 Knocked them out in number sixteen. But you know that 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:53.480 was just like fun, Yeah, it was fun. I'm from 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:58.080 a Queenslances like Nasi's right there, mall deep right here? 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:03.640 Huh give they give me problems about like. 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.920 I gotta grow you all right, we jump all over 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:13.080 the place, excuse us in the building. Who would you? 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.719 Who's in your not? You don't have to grank him 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:17.760 or nothing. But who's your favorite three rappers from? 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:18.440 And why? 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:29.320 Favorite three rappers? I would say Nas big L Pun. 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:32.480 I love Pun too. 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:35.399 Yeah, and that's you know, it could change, but you 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:41.040 know Pun is incredible. Obviously jay Z is incredible, you know, 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:41.800 But yes. 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.480 What was you warming up to in them games? Man 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:53.080 to him? I have a picture of himself on his 0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:54.120 phone screen. 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:03.480 And I ain't gonna hold you. 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:05.440 Hey, you had one of the hardest songs on two 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:06.720 K when you loaded up two K. 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:10.400 That moment of that was that ship that was that 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.560 was That was my most successful record. The other ones 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:19.959 was done, but it was it was Eminem a little bit, 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.280 It was mob Deep at the gate, it. 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.480 Was it was Mary J. Blige a lot s WVS. 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:25.880 I was an R and B. I love R and B. 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:28.840 But I said in Indiana I had to stop listening 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.360 to Mam Deep and Eminem four games. 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:35.440 Because yeah, man, I'm too, I'm not turning the Eminem. 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:42.080 Some shady bring like you bring like Yeah, let's go like, yeah. 0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.520 You know what I'm saying. I coached high school. 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:46.920 I had to tell my kids they couldn't listen to 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.560 the NBA young boy, because they'd be too hype. We 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.000 listened to Shot before the game. I said, you got cop, 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:59.640 that's shot before Bro, that'd be too hype. I had 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:01.920 to stop listening to rap. I stopped listening to rap 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.280 before a game in two thousand and five. No more, 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.080 it's over, it's too much. 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:10.400 I started listening to this other type of music, R 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.000 and B or like jazz or something that I was 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:14.240 listening to, some jazz like I. 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:15.160 Got later in my career. 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.040 Show No, but how was it once you got to 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:19.080 l a man? 0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:19.680 How was that? 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.720 Like Kobe make a phone call like hey my boy, 0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:25.160 I need you slide or it was. 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.880 It was crazy because so I was in Houston, and 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.320 I ain't gonna talk about things that was promised. 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.560 You know that'd be going. I don't want to talk 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:33.960 about it. 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.440 But I had a great season, so actually in Houston, 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.640 I wanted to stay in Houston. I came, I came out. 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.200 I thought I was gonna play Teamers. I was playing 0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.120 two minutes again, five minutes again, eight minutes, so I said, 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:51.560 damn contract. Yeah, I'm sick. I'm in my prime twenty eight, 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.200 I'm sick, I'm playing. I'm like, all right, all right, 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:57.080 my career is pretty much over. I am ana deal 0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.640 with it. Cheering, cheering on the bench. You know, I 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:01.440 thought I should. 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:05.200 Shane Batty was playing t mac t mat get hurt. 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.840 Then I started playing my average go from what a 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:10.440 five to seventeen, you know, being one of the now 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.920 featured the team, so we could get to the playoffs. 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:15.880 We take the team out the first round for the 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.480 first time in twelve years since our king was dead, 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.120 you know, next to Brandon Roy Nice b. 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.480 Roy one of my favorite players of all time. 0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:25.680 Yo, b Roy was You've got a classic interview talking 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.480 about him, so nice said no flaws in this game. 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:34.200 Nice yea he was that nice. Roy was nice like 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:34.960 way nice. 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.760 So me and Small Corpe, one of my my good guys, 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:39.800 a good dude, Me and him, used to battle about 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:40.840 him and Joe Johnson. 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:46.320 Who was better Joe b Roy and John b Roy 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:47.480 is not even close? 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:58.720 Uh No, I don't love Joe is not that He's 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:00.000 just saying, like as I was. 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.560 Me going both of them then I gotta respect it 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:03.680 because you are who you are. 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.720 You know, Roy was tougher than you know. 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.320 He had that that that d surgery. He gave me 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.160 forty and nobody gave me forty. 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:15.800 You know. The forty was in my face. 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:17.480 Damn you know what I'm saying. 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.360 And I was like, I was, I was baffoot. 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.120 I'm like here, I am in my prime, I'm in 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:23.960 his ass all that, and he just. 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:25.680 Go right, go right, faith. 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:33.320 Like it's definitely crazy. 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:42.520 That was crazy, Yeah, Paul, we wanted. 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:51.040 Was same man the rock. 0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:59.920 The second was crazy. Yeah, yo, I gotta get on my. 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:07.320 I was so much other ship. 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:11.760 We can talk about that crazy. 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:20.160 Yeah, that's crazy. But hey, dang dash camb. 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.440 But I can I can respect that because you definitely 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:25.760 guarded all the best players in the league. 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.200 So your word goes, No, he was nice. 0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:29.640 I got him up out of there early. 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:32.080 We put him out of you in uh in the 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.080 we played them in the first round, got him up 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:36.920 out of there. And first we was a sixth seed. 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:38.600 There was a three, So we got them up out 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:40.680 of there. And then the next year, I mean the 0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:42.560 next the next round, I was aving twenty five. 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:44.680 I was playing really well. So I thought I was 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:45.560 back to Houston. 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:48.680 And then I said, all right, since I'm not going 0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:50.959 back to Houston because they didn't offer, we don't want 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:54.960 to get into that, then I want to come back. 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.400 In that town. I never thought about going. The Lakers 0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.240 just beat us, so I'm super competitive. 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.880 You know, King j I suppose I wanted went to Cleveland, 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:04.240 but I'm super competitive. 0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:05.400 I want to play. 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.880 Against all his dudes. So I ain't go to Cleveland 0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:09.600 because because of that. Now, because I love I love 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:13.000 King James. And then when Indiana turned me down, then 0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.279 I called the Troy. I was I want to go 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:17.239 to Detroit and I want I'm all about the story 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:18.480 and I was like, damn, that should have be dope. 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:20.200 If I can win the title here, alright, cool, I 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.640 can't win the title in Indiana, that should be dope. 0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.839 I can win the title, Troy. But then Detroit was like, 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:27.680 you know, not too much has happened. 0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.799 I would love to hear how that phone call with Well. 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:32.680 I told my agents, and my agent was like, they 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.839 was like, nah, you don't. I was, I'm like, yeah, 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:36.240 a lot. 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.040 Of history I want to get into. 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:40.400 I like to go into the fire. I like to 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:41.200 go into the Lions. 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.880 Then, you know, I love being in the mouth of 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.440 the lion, you know, so when when when that and 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.560 when that didn't happen, I ain't even want to go 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.239 to the league. I tried to go to Greece, but 0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:55.759 I'm like, there's nobody I want to play well talk. 0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.680 My my agent was David Bowman, so I said, David, 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.840 I'm not gonna go to you know, Indiana or the Knicks. 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:06.440 Was like, the Knicks wasn't an option because then Donnie 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.360 Olsh was with the Knicks. Here's my GM here. I 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:11.920 tried to go to the Knicks, but that was like 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.520 it was just too much history then, so I said, 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:16.360 I I'm just gonna go to Greece. But I always 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:17.799 wanted to go to Europe and just ball out in 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.960 my prime. But then I get a call from the Lakers, 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:25.520 you know, uh, midnight, and might just say, you know, 0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:28.520 the Lakers they want to talk to you, And I 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.319 was like, for what they just beat us, man, they 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:34.560 want to talk about they want you to join their team. 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:38.200 I called my family, met with dodtor Bus the next 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.319 morning and that was it. 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:44.520 Cham I've been watching Winter Time man and just to 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.680 see how he ran the organization. So I can imagine how, 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:49.600 like you said, it was such a smooth transaction. You 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.160 went from I ain't going nowhere to doctor Bus called 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.560 us up. He was that good like good. 0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.040 He's a hands off you know a lot of hands 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.040 off on them, and you know he's not. You can't 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.279 go to doctor Bus and say, oh, I'm upset because 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.200 I ain't playing. You go said, he got talked to 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.319 the coach or you could talk to him. So you 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.279 feel like you're part of the organization. You feel like 0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:14.800 you really you're in tune with owner. He's incredible. He's incredible. 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:15.760 RP. Doctor Buss. 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:20.120 Absolutely, But that that championship run y'all had, like y'all 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.839 have that series, it gets the Celtics and still one 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.160 of the best NBA finals ever man. 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:25.880 And it was wild. 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.520 How was it like, playing like like you said, you're 0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.640 playing with cod in that environment in the churches. 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:33.360 How was that feeling? 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:33.600 Like? 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.239 Was that probably why your favorite like basketball series you 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:36.839 ever played in? 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:37.800 One of the best of them? 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:40.000 For me personally, when I was in Houston, I was 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:41.840 I was in my prime in Houston, But when I 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.399 got to the Lakers the next year, I was still, 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.400 you can't get worse in your prime in four months. 0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:49.880 So I was still. I was really, but you know, 0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:51.960 you're playing with Kobe. So I had to change my 0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:55.359 whole mindset. I actually asked for a trade that yeah, 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.680 because I just couldn't get off. And then I met 0:36:57.680 --> 0:36:59.799 with doctor Buss. He was like, hey, we're just trying 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.200 to win, and I had to say, okay, role player, 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.640 role player time, role player time, role player time. That 0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.520 was a tough adjustment. So that was that was So 0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:10.960 when I got to the point where I accepted the role, 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.840 I started to excel in a role, you know, and 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.520 it's hard being a volume shooter. Then going down to 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:20.640 five shots maybe eight missing shots. You oh for four 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.480 one game, I feel like, oh for twenty. 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.560 I feel like, don't miss the open one, Oh my goodness. 0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:27.719 You know. 0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:30.520 So then I had to get comfortable with being a 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:34.040 role player and almost being a bad player, you know, 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:37.799 and you know, so you know, from that perspective, you know, 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.120 it was it was a hell of a run. You know, 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.680 Kobe was incredible. And what was the first part of 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.280 the question of about I was, I was kind. 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:46.440 Of friend now you good. 0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:47.880 I was just saying, like that environment like how it 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.719 was because like we all watched that face like still 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:51.439 like that was one of the best series ever. 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:52.400 Now it was crazy. 0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:54.400 So playing as the Celtic, be and Paul got history 0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.520 from Indiana paces. So when we was, you know, with 0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:02.320 the Lakers paces, I'm sorry, with the and Celtics, it 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:03.399 was tough. 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.200 It was like a mirror. It was two very identical teams. 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:06.480 Yep. 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.560 You know, we win game one, they come back and win. 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:11.960 You know, we go to their place, get the first win. 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.680 It's back, it's back to one our favor. 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.000 We had home court. They won the next two. 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.480 In Game five, Kobe scored twenty five straight points and 0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.520 I'm just in all you know, we in a finals 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:27.359 and I'm just like, for about full five possessions. I'm 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.040 just like, you know, this dude is incredible. In my head, 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:32.480 I'm not even focused on the game. I'm just like, 0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:36.240 I'm like, this is incredible. This dude got all our points. 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.200 I'm trying to win the title and he's doing it 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.839 without our help. We's playing defense, but he's pretty much 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:45.320 doing it all himself. We lose the game and then 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:49.000 he was down three two, and then Phil Jackson came 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:50.800 to me and was like, I need you to get buckets. 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:53.440 He said, I need you to score, and I was 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:55.440 like really, And I did not expect to hear that. 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.520 My mindset would just work. Then I came out. 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:02.200 I had four points in the prior game four, then two, 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.480 then in game six, I get eighteens in game twenty, 0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:08.080 I mean game seven after twenty you know. So I 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.799 was like, he gave me that extra confidence, you know, 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.680 to put the ball in the basket. I'm like, yeah, 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:14.839 I've been waiting. 0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:19.239 For you to tell me. Yeah. But it was an 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:20.000 incredible run. 0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:22.080 You really kept your jersey on that whole day. 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.720 Oh my goodness. It was crazy. I won my first title. 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:27.239 I was involved. 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.680 It was a different feeling because I'm like, oh my goodness, 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:31.600 I had a big game. 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:36.840 You know. It's like, you know, so everything was complete. 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:37.680 You know. 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.480 I had a great individual career. I got a Defensive 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:42.600 Player of the Year. I was trying to get MVP 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.000 that didn't happen. Now I got my table. I've been 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.799 an All Star once, so I'm happy. I'm content, you know. 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.799 And then I'm like, damn, I just think I kept 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:52.400 my I kept my finger tape on. 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.480 I didn't want to take nothing off. I kept my 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:56.320 I went out. 0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:59.400 We partied it too. I went out everywhere I was. 0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.080 I was like seven different clubs. I ended up in 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:07.320 the studio with dre performing Champions Recording Champions Part two. 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:12.640 Blowing it down. That was the end of my night. 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:13.799 It was wild. 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:15.920 Then I gave Chris Brown my jersey because I was 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.600 just so excited. And then I was super exciting Chris 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:20.920 Brown was and he was there. He was like, you know, 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:23.040 let me get that jersey. And I was like, damn, 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:24.240 you really want my jersey? 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.880 Hell yeah, you can have it back now. 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:28.360 No. 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.640 I was like, just don't lose it, you know, I 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:33.880 just don't lose it, Like this is important to me. 0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:38.799 And to this day, I'm somebody went to his house 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:40.239 and he got he still got the jersey. 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:43.480 Yeah, I was. 0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:45.440 I was just so happy that, you know, that jersey. 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.319 It meant something to me. And for somebody like him 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.680 in his prime to ask for it, I'm like, hell. 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:59.120 Yeah it is Paul Pierce up there in like one 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:00.120 of your top matchup. 0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:02.040 He ain't your top five so. 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:05.560 Far as opponents, Yeah, Paul, Yeah, Paul Weather the stone 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.400 because I was he could have folded, he could have 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:11.239 folded the amount of pressure I was putting on him. Yeah, 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.000 every minute, every game he could he never felt he 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:17.440 never folded. You know, he had great games against me, 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.960 and I had great defensive games against him, offensive games also. 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:26.760 So he's definitely one of my toughest opponents. Yeah, he's tough, 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:28.480 he's clutch. 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.360 You had one of my favorite players under ten points 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:35.759 before too. I was upset which one was Mellow Man 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:36.439 car Mellow. 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:40.800 I love Mellow, Mellow, mellows tough, Mello, I love Mellow. 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.400 Was I had to give one hundred against Metal. I 0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:45.879 couldn't take a I couldn't take a breather. So if 0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:49.280 you go out to the club against me, you asking 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.600 to not score, you can't go out. Yeah, so I 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.319 don't know what he was doing on some of those nights, you. 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:02.160 Know outside, I wait, what scene was you on when 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:02.720 he was when. 0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.400 You pacers man all the prices when this happened. 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:10.240 But one time, you know, Mellow, I thought that, obviously 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:11.680 he's a great player. I thought he could have worked 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.520 a little harder to get in shape. He did at 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:15.080 the end of his career. If you notice, at the 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:18.120 end of his career he was he was hustling. I thought, 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:19.720 if you would have put that to in the beginning 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.040 of his career, he would have been a different player. 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.360 But he was just scoring the ball so easy. But 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.120 you know, it made it easier for me. You know, 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:31.120 a guy like Lebron I wasn't ready for that. He's 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.160 in shape, you know what I mean. Well, he's in 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.239 shape could play. So if you was out of shape 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.600 a little bit, you know it was gonna be hard. 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.520 And that's crazy because one of the first one of 0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:43.320 his first games in the league was gets the Pacers. 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.239 How was that like the first time you got to see, 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:46.520 like play against him in person. 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.640 He gave me twenty five. I remember the day clearly. 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.880 Twenty five was a lot twenty five in my prome. 0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:57.279 That was like thirty eight forty. And when he did that, 0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:00.000 I was like, this kid, is nobody was scoring twenty five, 0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:02.359 you know what I mean? 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.640 I was like, Wow, go in the game and telling 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:09.200 somebody that average twenty five that they're not getting twenty five? 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:12.400 You really going. He was like that, bro, he was 0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:12.960 like that. 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:17.480 As we know, he's one of the people like even 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:19.000 we started to see it now with Steph like he's 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:21.839 getting celebration now, but was like, we we're gonna really 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.160 miss Broun, Like we we put so much pressure on 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.120 him and he overcame all that stuff. But it's just 0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:27.960 like y'all don't know, like he came into the league 0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.480 and has dominated every since. We've not seen somebody step 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:33.120 into the league and dominate all the way through. 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:34.080 All the way through. 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.919 Who was an underrated who was an underrated player? That 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:40.320 right spoke on them? People know that gave you buckers 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.120 that you. 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:43.759 Secretly true, It's like that's true true. 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:48.920 There's people that can you know, can say I scored 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:51.960 on you a lot too, but they wasn't super stuff. Yeah, 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:55.040 you know, I would say some people out of my position, 0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:57.400 like a guy like Jamal Crawted, not really in my position. 0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:59.840 I'm too sixty. You know, he's you know, but I 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:04.239 have to guard him sometimes. You know, that tough. That 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:07.399 was tough because he going this way. That's my two 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:13.439 sixty shift in this way, one shift the other way. 0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.160 That's not easy. I gotta shift. 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:21.680 He got the ball string too, that was with a 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:25.480 jump up facts, So he was always tough, you know, 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:29.400 Rip Hamilton, But even even lower level guys like this 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.920 guy's like for Sean Lendy, I don't know if you know, 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:33.879 stupid clip we tapped in. 0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.480 You know what I mean, Like guys like that nice 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:37.640 little bump fade. 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.560 He was nice. Okay, he could definitely shoot that. 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:44.440 Sure. Glenn Robinson big dog, big. 0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:49.160 Dog was nice, bro definitely he Indiana dog. Nice. 0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:51.239 But I got a story. We was playing against you, 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.080 was on the Knicks. You're a little older at this time, 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:56.400 and uh, I got the ball and the isolation. I 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.640 had you in an ice situation and I waved somebody off. 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:00.680 He said, what the fuck? 0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:15.839 He was older when I went by lady, wasn't I 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:17.279 was like, that's he was. 0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:19.399 When I was with you, was with the Knicks. 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:23.919 In Atlanta, he was a little older. Yeah, yeah, said 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.160 watch out. I was like Kyle was on the wing. 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:27.200 He came to cut and I was. 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:30.200 Like, watch yeah, rightfully. 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:30.840 So I. 0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:35.040 Got nervous for a second and I went by you 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.000 and I kind of did a little layer and he 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:38.520 started he kind of like started laughing. 0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:41.840 I was like, you know, I was still competing. I 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:45.120 didn't have it like I ended my career. But I 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:47.360 was with the with the Lakers playing at the Spurs 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:49.880 have Miniska surgery. Right, So I was supposed to be 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:53.239 out six weeks. I came back in five days, right, 0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:56.360 So I go back in five days off miniska surgery. 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:59.799 Because it was our last season. Steve Nash was there, 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.160 Dwight Howell and Kobe just got hurt in Powers, so 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:05.400 I knew it was over and we we we just 0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:07.600 limped into the playoffs, and I was like, this is 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:09.080 gonna be This is for sure the last time this 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.279 group was gonna be together. So I'm trying to play. 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.200 You're gonna try to win it. My mind set is 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.799 always winning. Now, it wasn't gonna happen Spur swept us, 0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.280 but I wish I would have never did that. 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:18.600 That's that. 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:20.640 That pretty much ended my career. So when I got 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.520 to New York, you know, it was it was it was. 0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:25.520 I was so happy to be in New York. So 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.080 my mind, We're gonna try to win it. You know, 0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:31.000 I'm talking myself into like I'm locking people up, but 0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:31.799 I didn't even. 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:32.759 That's what you heard. 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.520 You heard somebody I was trying to talk itself into it. 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.239 But I didn't have it. 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:49.560 I was like, I'm tripping back to the league with 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:51.280 no found. He started laughing. 0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:54.640 I remember. I remember I was playing against Jeremy Grant. 0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.120 There's two brothers, right, two of them from Philly. 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:02.120 He was in Philly that I went up for a layup. 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.839 He punched into my career. He's just punching. I'm like, damn, 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:06.560 I shit is over. 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:08.680 That was that moment. 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:10.920 I even been laughing, like, yo, I can't do it. 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.439 I'm trying. I got the rebound on right here. All 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.600 gotta do is lay it up. He jump get that 0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:19.240 out of here. I'm like, damn, I shit over. 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.600 But that's a real realization, like you said, like especially 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:25.359 for athletes like y'all been hooping your whole life. 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:25.960 That's your job. 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:27.560 So then when you get to that point, you kind 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.240 of like, all right, I gotta start thinking about what's next, 0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:32.440 think about what's Like even for you, you was just like, 0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:33.040 all right. 0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:34.640 I ain't about to be no bed on the bitch. 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:37.399 I gotta figure out what's next for sure? How is that? 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:39.439 Like, miss Like you said, like as far as talking 0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:41.680 about your mental health and stuff like that, people don't understand, Like, 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:43.799 and I've learned being around him a lot more and 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:45.920 talking to other people is like as an athlete. That 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.080 is your job. But those jobs typically retire at thirty. 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:51.400 What do you do next? And a lot of people 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.160 have a hard time even getting to that question. 0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:56.520 It's true, It's true. It was tough for me too. 0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.640 I remember, you know, my last game is Stapleson. I 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:02.800 had a in the second half. I wasn't playing all season, 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:05.920 but I would play one on one against Jamal Brandy. 0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:08.279 I was just trying to stay ready, right, So I 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.080 wasn't I was mentoring, I was working them out. I 0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:12.400 was training Julius, so I was working them out, but 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.480 when he was playing, I was I was competing. So 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:17.239 I'm like, yo, yo, Brandy, let's get this one on one. 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.960 D Loo, let's get this one on one, Julius, Let's 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:21.200 get this. 0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:21.760 One on one. 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.160 So I was trying to stay ready, you know. So 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.400 then my last game is Stable Center. I'm playing a lot. 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:29.200 I knew, I knew I was done. I kind of 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:31.120 figured that this is gonna be my last year. I 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.120 scored zero in the first half. I get eighteen the 0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:36.480 second half. So now he's in Golden State. So I'm like, 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:37.440 I just had eighteen the. 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:39.600 Second half, and I felt I was really I was 0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:40.600 still good I'm still alright. 0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:42.680 So I'm like, I'm gonna get I'm gonna get fifteen 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:46.200 to night for sure. So the coach don't play me. 0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:48.200 You know, it's my last game. 0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:49.520 That's crazy. 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:52.080 It's my last game. Yeah, I'm like, I played like 0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:54.200 maybe ten minutes stuf like no way. 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:57.600 So I walk off the court. I ain't say nothing 0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.600 to like, you know, the players, Steph Wandre was just heated. 0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:03.040 So I walk up the court and stayed silent. 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.560 But I'm gonna just replaying my career in my head, 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:11.360 you know, and I'm grateful. I'm reminiscing. I'm like, what 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:14.080 a should have It was like so much we're playing. 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:16.640 Did have a great time on a plane ride home though. 0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:18.520 It was my last plane ride. 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:24.040 So we got twisted forty five minutes, baby, we got 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:25.960 twisted at forty five minutes, me and Nick Young. 0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:29.560 So the rookies like me and my god swaggy. 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:31.840 Right, so you know, they gave me one of the 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.799 greatest you know, playing rides home. You know what I mean, 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.280 because I was just like, you know, all the rookies 0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:39.680 this day, they've been really cool. I wake up the 0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:43.239 next day and I'm just super depressed and I'm like, damn, 0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.439 what I'm gonna do? I know this is over right, 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:47.920 And then the next day I applied for school. Man, 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:50.680 I applied for school at UCLA. I was just replaying 0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:52.879 everything in my head. And I like to make decisions quick. 0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:54.719 I don't be I don't like to have time to wait. 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.839 So I was like, all right, I replayed everything. All right, 0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.600 we were out here, you know, and that was tough, 0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:03.839 even though it's what I'm doing to this day. Seven years, 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.800 eight years later, you know, I went back to school 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:10.160 for digital analytics, bitness analytics, coding, all the stuff that 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:13.400 we're with sports can affect the outcome of success, you know. 0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:14.680 But it was. 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:17.360 About four years, you know, where I was like, damn, 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:18.120 this is tough. 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:20.480 Like I'm really not doing I'm not playing defense. 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:24.080 You know, I'm master defense, But how am I going 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:27.200 to master someone else where? So many people tell you can't, 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.000 you know, but I believe that if you put your 0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:32.520 mind as an athlete, if you put your mind or something, 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:34.760 you know, you don't have to be in a box. 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:37.880 You know, just because you're not balling, you know, walking 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:40.799 like a ballplayer, you might not be walking like. 0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:43.640 A ballplayer anymore. But you got someone else you bring 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:44.240 to the table. 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:49.120 You know you you're good because your passion you could 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.759 put You could have put your passion anywhere, absolutely, you 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:53.680 know what I mean. So when I said, okay, I'm 0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:56.920 downside my life, you know, I'm not gonna I don't 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.080 want to be in the limelight. I'm gonna be content. 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:01.920 I'm a stricter. So that was that was my personal journey, 0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:05.719 you know. And everybody got different jurneys, some people commentating, 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:08.800 some people coaching, but that those options not available for everybody. 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:09.480 Absolutely not. 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:10.440 You know, it's not everybody. 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.200 It's not available for everybody. So I didn't want to 0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:14.959 leave that the chance. So I was an architect major 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:17.200 coming out of college with people people don't know, but damn, 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:19.880 you know. So my first major was architecture. I had 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.080 letters from Princeton. But I was also going through a lot, 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:23.759 you know what I mean. So I was like my 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:27.240 whole my mom was clouded. But when I when I said, damn, 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.240 I was an architect, I said I could do anything 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:30.799 I wanted to. 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:32.080 And when I'm thought. 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:33.640 About it, that's I said I would go back to school. 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:35.200 I'm gonna be comfortable. So I went back to school 0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:36.759 and just did do what I had to do. 0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:39.960 Good Shore, like you said that passion. 0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:41.840 Like we got so many black entrepreneurs that don't come 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.440 from traditional backgrounds, but the things that they went through, 0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:47.359 that adversity, it's easy to put it somewhere else because 0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:49.160 you already went through so much Like now this is 0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:50.719 kind of easy. I get to just use what I 0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:55.279 already got to do what I want to do. Absolutely, man, 0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:57.960 we appreciate you sliding, man. Please tell the people what 0:51:58.000 --> 0:51:58.719 you got going on. 0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:00.360 Man, Yo, mean, thanks for me. 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:04.879 You know, we love when they told me, nowtown find 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:08.399 intment on that, I'm like, Yo, I was. 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:10.880 Appreciate you. 0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:15.200 I was like, you know, my family's here, so it's 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:18.279 definitely great to be here. We we love Indiana. But yeah, 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:22.920 so basically I'm just like raising the family. I'm coaching 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:24.719 girls as if. I'm a volunteer coach at Cal State 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:26.680 of LA. So I've been doing that for five been 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:29.480 coaching girls for nine years. I was coaching while I 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:31.239 was in the NBA. After practice, I was going to 0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:34.520 coach my girls with the same coach. In the last 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:36.600 five years, we've been at Cal State of LA coaching 0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:39.920 coaching women's basketball. Last year we went to the NCAA 0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:42.560 Tournament for the first time in twelve years they do 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:45.160 and this year they had us ranked number one. We 0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.080 had a rough start, but it's just incredible. It's my 0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:51.160 favorite thing I'm doing, you know right now. But the businesses, 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:54.440 you know, I'm building my business, which is like, you know, 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:58.640 I have to do that. But you know, coaching girls 0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:01.520 is coaching women's basketball is gre and you know, building 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.640 my agency is great and different things like that. But 0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:06.480 other than that, I just want to say thanks for 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:07.160 having men. 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:12.080 I love seeing you back doing stuff with the Pacers 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:14.239 because we need that twenty three up. We gotta keep 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.720 it real. You want the most important players ever walking 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:17.160 them doors. 0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:18.840 But I told I told the Pacers I want to 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:21.520 I want to see them win a title. We have 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:23.319 a different history that a lot of people don't hear 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:27.239 the conversations that between the individuals, you know, because it 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.520 was just a lot of wounds. That's that was what 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:31.799 I was open. That's being healed, you know from the 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:35.560 fans and the executives. But from that perspective, seeing a 0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:38.240 ring come here in Indiana with me in the world, 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:41.120 that's what I want to see even though I'm definitely 0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:43.719 laking for life, love for New York, definitely want to 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:46.160 see New York on one day too, But you know 0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:49.160 that one coming ahead. When it comes, I'm gonna feel 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:54.280 like it's mine. And all the players feel the same way, Jamaine, everybody. 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:57.200 When that ring come here, we're gonna be just as 0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:59.840 proud as if. We can't wait because we knew we 0:53:59.880 --> 0:54:02.400 had the opportunity to bring it to the city, you know, 0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.360 and we feel like that was our fault, that was 0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:08.759 our bad. You know, Reggie don't got a ring. You know, 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:11.080 that was all bad. So we just can't wait till 0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:13.760 this team just keep building. So you know, we're supporting 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:14.600 the Cases all day. 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:18.279 Look, we appreciate you, man, Life Share subscribe all that 0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:20.279 good ship. Will be back next week Club for our 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:20.600 twenty