TGI – Sabrina the Teenage Witch 105 “A Halloween Story”

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: I woke up this morning and my aura ring told me that my readiness score for the day was a sixty six and that I would probably be best served by taking many rests.

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Speaker 3: And I thought it was a bunch of self.

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Speaker 1: There were a bunch of words I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: I was like, okay, you have an or ring.

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Speaker 5: Don't you remember they sent Danielle one and not one to either of us, right right?

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Speaker 3: I was just like, I consulted my Crystal this morning. I need to meditate more.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't find that aura ring they had me. I had to just pay for a brand new one, which is why I feel comfortable talking about it because it's not an ad. I bought my aura ring what a sixty seven out of what one hundred out of one hundred. So basically it's like, you're so depleted, so it keeps.

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Speaker 1: Practically you're passing. That's how I look at it. You're passing. What's the problem.

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Speaker 2: It was like, you should take lots of rests today, and I was like, well, the good news is I'm only podcasting from nine to twelve, rehearsing from one to five, doing interviews from five to seven, and then back to rehearsal from eight to ten. So that's two rehearsals. Oh my god, that's that's good. So that's at least I'm only.

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Speaker 5: Doing that your or it just keeps pulsing black on your finger.

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Speaker 1: You're like, what does this mean?

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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 2: Get stop it?

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Speaker 5: Just it's dialing nine to one just in case and just waiting giving it a second.

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Speaker 2: It's got my obituary pre written like.

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Speaker 4: God to a pang official. Today morning the loss.

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Speaker 5: And her funeral got eight seven eight. She finally got an eight.

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Speaker 2: Promise me, you guys will rate my funeral. Promise We'll just be there.

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Speaker 5: Battles the most distasteful thing, judging, judging the whole thing, just like I think she could have looked better in the coffin.

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Speaker 2: If I'm on us, I hated that fringe of those fringe pans. Yeah, terrible choice.

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Speaker 1: Hit that song.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Pond meets World.

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Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Offishal, I'm right strong, and I'm Wilfordell.

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Speaker 2: So we have once again found ourselves in the season of scary. October is upon us, Halloween is around the corner, and that means a lot of online discourse about. And then there was Sean, the memorable, possibly best episode of Boy Meets World that the cast and crew lovingly refers to as the Scream episode, and we love seeing all of your appreciation for it. But also we have now recapped the episode. Talk to the writer, talk to the director, writer, spoke to a horror expert about it. We have detailed it with every actor in the episode, tried to find the janitor, tried to find the Shawn stand in. I mean, we have done it all. So to pumpkin spice things up this year, we are going to recap some of our family sitcom contemporaries and their popular Halloween episodes to see why fans like ours so much. And first up is a tgif neighbor, our more successful classmate, the Valedictorian, maybe even Sabrina the Teenage Witch. It's a show that often deals in the spooky and occult, but we are looking at season one, episode five, a Halloween story. It is currently available to stream on Disney Plus, right alongside Boy Meets World. Had either of you seen this episode before we watch.

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Speaker 3: Had never seen an episode of Sabrina the Teenage Witch?

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Speaker 2: Well, this was your first.

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Speaker 4: Sabrina.

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Speaker 6: Wow, is the third time I've seen this gone through? You watch the fourth time I've seen confush I'm kidding. This is the first episode of Sabrina I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen.

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Speaker 4: You watched it or you had seen it back in the day.

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Speaker 2: I had seen an episode.

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Speaker 5: Yes, okay, So then none of us ever guest starred on sprit to the teenage wwitch. No, nobody from boy went over there. She came to us, but nobody went there.

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Speaker 2: But in Sync went over there, and I went and visited because I was with Lane's okay.

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Speaker 5: So, and they never did an audience show, right, I'm pretty sure that was what said.

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Speaker 2: Right, they never did a live show.

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Speaker 7: You.

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Speaker 1: I could feel that you can't.

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Speaker 4: It was so profound.

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Speaker 1: I was like, there's no laughs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does make a huge difference. Do you guys have any before we jump into the recap, Do you guys have any thoughts on what makes a successful Halloween.

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Speaker 1: Episode for what for a sitcom?

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Speaker 2: For a sitcom?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I'm costumes, you know, like witty sort of in jokes like in this one, they had the whole James Dean thing, which I thought was pretty clever and fun. But yeah, seeing people do costumes, right, like that's got to be part of it.

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Speaker 5: What else, Well, again, I think it depends on the show. So one of my favorite Halloween episodes of all time is of course mash. They do a great episode where they're getting up dressing to go to a party and so there's some really funny things going on, but then there's a soldier that has that is dead that Graves Registration is coming to pick up the whole the whole episode and as father and okay, he comes back from the orphanage. He's giving last rites and the guy essentially wakes up and has been isn't in fact dead. So there's like spooky, uh and creepy, but there's also funny. And it had a lot of guest stars like George Went from Cheers was on it, and there's like so there's that combination, like that's the thing about And then there was Sean that was so good. Is you'll talk to kids who are like, oh my god, that episode is so funny.

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Speaker 1: But when I was twelve, it's scared that yeah out me.

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Speaker 3: I think a little bit of danger or fear, which this did not have any of that. I also think along with costumes, maybe some like mistaken identity stuff, which we had a little bit of.

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Speaker 4: And there will be.

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Speaker 3: Sean you know, like who's behind the mask question or like people where you did that mystery a little bit of like intrigue, like because you have the costumes.

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Speaker 2: I think it does well meta references, some meta references sprinkled in there. But will that's a really good point about like a good guest star if you if you can get like a good guest star in a Halloween episode, especially if they tie into some of the things Writer saying, like the mystery of it, like like the Scream episode, Jennifer love hewittt it was a perfect like that was great. It added so much to the episode, even if her part wasn't so massive or crucial to the storyline. It just makes a fun Halloween episode.

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Speaker 1: I think so too.

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Speaker 5: I honestly think, and I'm I know I'm biased, And this is something writer and I say all the time on our other show, pod means tirl.

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Speaker 1: Check it out. Uh that my favorite show. You're very thank you.

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Speaker 5: I honestly think that if you did a list of the top five best sitcom Halloween episodes of any genre, as long as it's sitcom, I think, and then there were Sewn, and then there was Sean would be.

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Speaker 3: On that list, even though technically wasn't a Halloween episode.

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Speaker 1: Now right, I know in February.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a Halloween now so we're I mean, people are screaming at the radios right now because I know, you know.

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Speaker 1: But it's but we consider it one, so I don't know, but we never talk.

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Speaker 4: About Halloween in it. It's not themed at all.

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Speaker 5: It's not it's it's actually a horror episode. It's a horror parody episode over being a Halloween episode.

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Speaker 3: So now that I'm thinking about it, I feel like the part, like the spirit of Halloween is the spirit of like the Carnivalesque, right, the idea that like people are going to be different than they normally are, Like things are going to go a little awry, Like there's a little bit of like you know, madness and like adventure and a little bit of chaos. Like I think that that's that's really If you have that in your Halloween episode.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, turning something on its head, taking the reality that everyone understands and then turning it on its head and being like now figure it out.

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Speaker 3: Right, and like, but we're a little freer this, we can do something different.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, because we heard another to Danielle's point about guest stars, because we had we had Candace Cameron on the other Yeah, we said in the real Halloween episode we did, so, yeah, that's that's an important.

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Speaker 3: Season one Halloween episode. We also had missed identities. When mister Feenie thinks it's Corey trick or treated and he pulls.

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Speaker 4: The mask off and it was Dusty r. You know, like there's a lot of like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's jump into our recap. This is the Brena the Teenage Witch, season one episode five, a Halloween story. It is the season one Halloween episode. It originally aired October twenty fifth, nineteen ninety six. So the synopsis, it's Halloween and Harvey is throwing a party. Sabrina wants to go, but Zelda forces her to attend a family get together instead. So in an attempt to appear at both, Sabrina clones herself.

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Speaker 3: I will say, interestingly, like, because of the nature of this show, this almost was more like a Christmas episode. Oh, because the gifts, the way they talk about Halloween as the big holiday of the year and they give gifts, and then like the whole Grandma storyline that's like.

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Speaker 2: You wear this sweet in this dress.

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Speaker 3: Really interesting. It was like this sort of like because the show is about witches, it's like it's their version of so funny.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even stret together, but you're absolutely right. They were really trying to set it up like this is what your family thinks about Christmas. Yeah, you can't miss Christmas. What do you mean you want to go to your friend's party? It's a family holiday.

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Speaker 4: So it's a weird like combo, but which I actually thought was kind of clever.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, that makes it cuter to me.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I've never thought about that, but that's absolutely right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was directed by Gary Halverson, an Emmy winning TV director with fifty five directing credits on Friends, sixty one on Everybody Loves Raymond, thirty four, two and a half Men, and basically every Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade since I have been alive. So this one is this is one of over two dozen sabrinas he directed and also one of his earliest jobs was on the Spanish variety show Shusha. It's one of his uh first jobs because supposed to know what listen. I don't know what Shusha is either, but Jensen I think his mom liked shushas.

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Speaker 7: I like, is what it is? Guys, I liked Shusha. I promise you if you saw Shusha you would remember her. She was like this beautiful. It was a Spanish it's a person.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes.

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Speaker 7: And she would run around stage and little shorts shoosha, shoosha. She would like dance up. All right, there's people loving this.

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Speaker 2: But Usha, he will, he will, now that we've challenged him, he will. It was written by Nell Scovel, the creator of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. She also worked on the David Letterman Show, The Simpsons, Monk, and New Heart, and more recently, she co wrote the twenty thirteen book lean In alongside Cheryl Sandberg, the former COO of Facebook. So it stars Melissa Joan Hart as Sabrina Spellman, a former guest of this podcast and the cornerstone of TGIF. Her Mom producer Paula Hart was instrumental in getting the show off the ground and I suggest you listen to our interview with her to get the whole story. It is very inspirational. And then there's Caroline Ray as Hilda Spelman. Caroline began as a standout stand up comedian in the nineteen eighties and might be best known for her role on Sabrina, but she has been in so much, including her own popular daytime talk show in two thousand and two. She is the voice of Linda on Phineas and ferb. She starred in a Disney show I Directed a Whole Lot of Sydney to the Max, and was at one time the host of the now controversial reality competition show The Biggest Loser. Beth Broderick as Zelda Spelman. Broderick's resume is never ending on TV shows like Hearts of Fire and Under the Dome. Then there's Nate Richard as Harvey Kinkel, another former guest. Nate had a come and go relationship with Sabrina, but was brought back because he was such a beloved character. He also appeared in TV shows like The Tony Dancer Show, Touched by an Angel, and one classic film called Game Box one point zero.

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Speaker 1: When are we watching this movie? When are we watching this movie.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put off as long as I can watching. And there's Jenna Lee Green as Libby Chessler. Still working in Hollywood. Jenna was on seventy four episodes of Sabrina and episodes of Dharma and greg Er Bones and Blue Bloods. And finally Nick Backay as the voice of Salem Saberhagen, yet another former Podmeats World guest. Nick was a busy Hollywood comedy writer who found his way as a voice actor as well, and will forever be immortalized as Salem. But if we're being honest, it's not even the coolest thing about him. He commonly collaborates with Kevin James and helped create Paul Blart. He's also written on shows like The King of Queens, Young Sheldon, and his own show Bookie. So guest starring Sally Jesse Raphael Like You Do Her, the iconic nineties talk show host, plays herself and is somehow not that great at it.

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Speaker 4: No, very bad.

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Speaker 1: I didn't buy her as herself.

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Speaker 2: I didn't either.

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Speaker 4: An a tacho host very different than being an actor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, uh okay. Emily Hart as Amanda. She would appear in nine episodes of Sabrina, but later become the voice of the actual Sabrina on the animated series. Her last credit was in two thousand and nine. Then we have Diane McBain as Granny, A popular actress in the sixth She's best known for the TV show Surfside six and is Elvis's love interest in nineteen sixty six's spin Out. Wow worth noting in nineteen eighty two she was beaten, robbed, and sexually assaulted by two men in her West Hollywood garage at one thirty am as she came home from a party. In response, and because the men were never apprehended, she began a second career as a rape victim counselor, and she did some amazing work for those in need. She passed away in twenty twenty two at the age of eighty one.

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Speaker 4: Wow right, Yes, that was a journey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah man.

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Speaker 2: Then there's Robin Reiker as Merrigold. Another these people are on the show. I didn't remember any of these people. It keeps going, It just keeps going. And honestly, I don't know how how long we need all these these desertions. But Christ Chapter, just my god, this episode's going to be four hours long. I'm not even done with the names We've got Robin Reikers Marigold. Another busy TV actress, Riker began her career on mash She was Nurse Perry in season six Fallen Idol. She'd appear on Welcome Back, Catter, Highway to Heaven, Bold and the Beautiful, Get a Life, and The d com Brink, Everyone's Favorite and Everyone then Lynda Cash as the voice of Milady. Cash was a busy comedian at the time she appeared on Seinfeld. She was Gwen and the Lip Reader and multiple Earnest movies and is in waiting for Guffman and Best in Show.

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Speaker 3: She's still a voice of the Drunk Cat yep correct, she is Alcoholic Cat.

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Speaker 2: She's still working today, but mostly in voiceover and an old friend of ours. Philip Glasser is featured background as James Dean two. Philip was most famously the voice of Fiful Mouskowitz in An American Tale and played Ubaldo in an episode of Boy Meets World. He has become a movie producer, working on movie He's Like The War with Grandpa, the Illusionist and Camp hide Out.

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Speaker 4: And he was a gavroche To.

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Speaker 1: He was did we have we should have fill on the show. We should we should have fell on the show.

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Speaker 4: So he was in this and didn't have any lines.

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was one of the James Deans because what you what kids normally do when they get together to Halloween parties.

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Speaker 1: Have multiple James Deans.

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Speaker 2: None of them committed to a jacket though they all just had white T shirts.

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Speaker 1: The Greasers.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Also question before we even get into it, was it popular in the nineties to dress as characters from thirty Years Your Junior forty?

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Speaker 1: Anybody did was dressed like they were from the fifties. No, yes, it was.

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Speaker 2: A sixty cop.

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Speaker 3: To remember that year will party.

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Speaker 2: Sexy not we were not like you, Marilyn Monroe.

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Speaker 1: Everybody dressed like what do you? I'm Carol Burnett, Like wait what what?

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Speaker 3: I guess writers thought because we did a fifties episode where I was like a Greaser and like, so, yeah, I guess for.

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Speaker 5: A writer's that was like I just see this kid going to a Halloween store and being like, oh god, the Ralph Crampton costumes gone, Like didn't we dress?

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Speaker 3: I mean I was definitely Jim Morrison one year, like didn't we dress like sixties and seventies people? Did you guys ever, do would marry hippies?

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think. I guess hippie is a thing.

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Speaker 4: That's like our child or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I thought the same thing too.

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Speaker 2: It was like, is this the French maidy?

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Speaker 1: Like twelve twelve?

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Speaker 2: I was also, I was a French maide at fourteen. I did it twice. I liked it so much. I was a you know, I was a witch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you would just put sexy in front of things like I'm.

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Speaker 2: As I'm a sexy girl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Did I really have a Halloween party or were you guys kidding?

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Speaker 2: No, you're big.

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Speaker 4: One at your house?

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Speaker 5: That it was a big, big one, that one. Okay, yes, see, okay that I do remember you were there. Yeah, Daniel hung out most of the time. I remember hanging on in her hallway. She's a sexy cop.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what I was.

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Speaker 5: We just talked, I remember, and I started drinking because we planned the party, and so I started drinking.

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Speaker 2: Like you were already drunk when I arrived.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it was like, yeah, I remember you being so pissed.

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Speaker 4: You're like, I'm never doing this. I never I'm never having a party in my house again.

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Speaker 3: And you never did, and you never did, you never have a party again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, guys, I never threw a party at my house.

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Speaker 2: Ever again, right, exactly that we were invited to. But listen, you're gonna have one next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, big, we're gonna have I'll have a big one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too too.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna throw the pod Meats World thing. But no, the big one, the big one is not going to be at the house. No, we're renting place rent.

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 2: So excited about that.

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Speaker 5: He's for I didn't tell you so if my fiftieth birthday, it's also my ten year anniversary, I'm throwing the prom I never got a chance to go to. So we're full on throwing a nineties problem. We're gonna rent a place Limos like we're throwing a prom.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm getting I'm getting a party van.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna wear tails and birkenstocks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want hundreds of doors.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not gonna wear boring. How am I going to know you're you're sporing? Is that that's the thing you wear in the front of a kilt your spor.

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Speaker 3: No, I think I should go tails and uh and and bocks stocks with socks.

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Speaker 2: Should I wear my actual prom dress that I with? Lance?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sexy problem.

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Speaker 2: I was a Deopis I should I wear that? Should I wear my actual prom dress? I know I want to. I want to find another nineties prom dress.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome. Well, Lance, I want to invite everybody.

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Speaker 5: There's gonna be hundreds of people there, like I want this to be a raging, huge party that they're gonna have to set back parties to just get this one to dissipate.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be great. Oh, I love very excited.

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Speaker 2: I love it all right, let's jump into our recap. We start in the Spellman kitchen.

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Speaker 3: We gotta go the opening credits first, okay, which actually made it maybe came after the cold But are these the opening credits all the time She's just in front of a mirror, yes, changing her clothes?

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Speaker 2: Magic changes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Changes?

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Speaker 1: Oh it does, okay, so every because because when I ended.

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Speaker 2: He read my first it comes after it comes after the cold open. But I'll do it now. Fun fact Sabrina the Teenage Witch had different opening credits for its various seasons. The first three seasons featured Sabrina changing costumes in a mirror, while season four used rising bubbles with background characters and Sabrina in costumes, while seasons five through seven incorporated a vocal theme song and showed Sabrina in different Boston locations before arriving at her destination.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I just remember the theme song when you Submina the Teenage Witch, Sabina the Teenage Witch.

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Speaker 1: That was a great one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you do in the magic on this Road code?

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Speaker 1: What do you do this one? Writing everybody's theme song?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: So aunt Hilda and aunt Zelda or aunt Hilda and aunt zel Zelda are joyfully singing in the kitchen while decorating for Halloween. That's not a real song they're singing, right, Did anybody recognize that song?

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Speaker 1: No? Okay?

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Speaker 2: They point to a jack o lantern and it magically lights up. Then young Sabrina rushes downstairs to ask what they're doing to sail him the cat because she heard him screeching. Zelda rolls her eyes. Very funny, we were singing Halloween Carol. Aunt Hilda chimes in, Happy Halloween. Bet you couldn't sleep last night with all the excitement and anticipation. Right off the bat, writer, you're absolutely right. They're just setting this up, and it's Christmas over my head.

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Speaker 4: That's so funny, you.

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Speaker 2: Right over my head. Sabrina sarcastically responds, I managed Zelda isn't impressed. That's not the spirit. Halloween is our favorite holiday. It's a magical night. The ants try to get Sabrina into the spirit by singing, have a jolly, holly Halloween. How did we miss this?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: I'm just eat.

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Speaker 2: It's still very very dumb, not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: I watched it twice. Yeah, well what's and a half? I watched it zip through the second time.

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Speaker 2: But yes, gott, I didn't think about it as all, my god, wow, all right, so we will we are just okay. But Sabrina begs them to stop. She insists she's trying to get into the spirit by going to school in a costume. She adds a pair of red glasses to her red velvet top and wants her aunts to guess who she is. They're stumped, so Sabrina says Sally Jesse Raphael. Now she's self conscious. Do I need a microphone. Hilda deems it the lamest costume she's ever seen in. Zelda notes it's just a pair of glasses. Sabrina challenges them, if you can do better, be my guest. Without hesitation, Hilda zap Sabrina and replaces her with the real Sally Jesse Raphael, Sabrina is still in Sally's body, stunned by her reflection in the mirror, commenting, next up, we are going to talk to a teenage witch and her aunts who take things too far. Hilda and Zelda continue their upbeat Halloween carol and dance around the kitchen, and then we go to the opening credits, which you've already heard me talk about.

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Speaker 3: This is when I was like, has there been a Has there been a laugh?

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Speaker 1: That's the same thing like this. You can tell there's no audience why, it's just a different energy. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It also just wasn't that funny.

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Speaker 1: No, No, they weren't even going for a laugh episode in.

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Speaker 5: This is the fifth episode of season one, so they're probably still finding their footing. My guess is if we watch season three, it's gonna be way different.

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Speaker 3: I know, but in general I did not find this show that funny. And I just what I realized is like, oh, there's a lot of events happening, Like there's there's stories, there's happening, and it's a gag show, right, It's like there's they have this ability to always, you know, just.

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Speaker 4: Have a spell, fix things or change things, and.

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Speaker 3: So as a result, it's like there's less I feel like there was less pressure on them to really develop the dialogue or really have like sort of witty repartee or I don't know, Like when I think about Boy meets World, like an average boy meets World scene would have of like a bunch of really clever little lines in there that you'd be like, oh, that was funny, that was Where's this was much more like this big thing happens, she changed into this person, then she's changing it. But you're not like laughing at what people are actually saying.

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Speaker 2: No, you have to really be into visual effects in order to be like you're If you're like, wow, cool, then then it's gonna feel great. Otherwise, yeah, it's a little like I'm not sure I love the content of what is going on in the show.

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Speaker 3: For instance, can you tell the difference between the two aunts in terms of character.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're just kind of like, you know, everyone just sort.

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Speaker 2: Of I can tell that one is supposed to be the type a ant and one is supposed to be the fun aunt. That's that's what from the takeaway for me is that one is the one that keeps every one is the Danielle and the other one is the will Right.

00:24:54
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha, where's the muli rider?

00:24:58
Speaker 2: That'd be Sabrina, the cat, the magical one.

00:25:00
Speaker 1: It's that's my question.

00:25:03
Speaker 5: You guys this group, But do they ever tell you why Salem is a cat?

00:25:10
Speaker 3: Do? Right?

00:25:11
Speaker 2: They turned him into you mean, like, did he do something bad?

00:25:14
Speaker 1: Find out why? Yeah? Sounds like he was a person into a cat. And I was like, do they ever explain that?

00:25:21
Speaker 2: Or is he just naughty? He did something naughty?

00:25:25
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:25:25
Speaker 2: All right, we're in the school hallway. Sabrina spots Harvey and tries to dodge him, but it's too late. He hands her an invitation to his upcoming Halloween party. His parents are making him throw it, Sabena jokes, bummer. Next thing you know, they'll be making you go on a ski trip. Boy, kids love skiing, and kids kids skiing is just where it's bunnies Harvey explains his dad always buys in bulk and they have snacks that will expire in November. Sabrina examines the pumpkin invitation, No wonder, it says all food must be eaten by midnight. Harvey's thinking about going is James Dean. All he needs is a white T shirt, jeans, and something to lean on. Real nineties kids favorite. It's James jan so weird. He asks if Sabrina could come over early to help set up, but Sabrina can't. She has a family thing and her aunt's take Halloween very seriously. She calls it weird, but Harvey can relate. That's how his mom is about flag Day. Just then, Libby walks up and tells Harvey, I got your invitation, see you at eight unless you need me to come early and help. What luck. Harvey says sure, and Libby grins and then walks away. Now that we have writer, her thankfully is the smart one here and has fully put together that this is a joke about Christmas. I love also this joke about flag Day. It's very funny that you assume he's going to say, that's how my mom is about Christmas.

00:26:53
Speaker 1: Nice.

00:26:54
Speaker 2: It's a flat day. It's a Christmas episode and changes everything changes in health that we think about. So Harvey smiles at Sabrina. Now you don't have to feel bad, but we can see the teenage witch is now disappointed. Why was she trying to ditch him at the beginning of the scene if she obviously has on him? Yeah, maybe that's the serialized part of it. Something happened last week, I don't know, Or maybe she's just nervous around him. I don't know, but it felt like she wants to go to the correct and she wants to go early to help him set up. So I don't know. Well, we're back in the spelm and living room. Sabrina's pleading with her aunt Zelda. She has to go to Harvey's party, but Zelda firmly tells her no. Sabrina turns to Hilda, what if I promised to be with the family all Thanksgiving? Hilda shrugs, We're not big on Thanksgiving. That holiday was started by Puritans who weren't exactly Witch friendly. Little history joke, laugh riot sabrina Christmas story. Sabrina winds about celebrating stupid Halloween, and Zelda puts her in her place. Hallow's Eve is a time for remembering the dead. Sabrina quips, Oh, that sounds like fun. She throws herself onto the couch and continues with the sarcasm. I know, I'll just have a terrible time. Hilda, who is not as into this family gathering as Zelda is, joins in on the sarcasm. And that's what family gatherings are all about. Do you think I want to listen to cousin Marrigold brag about how married she is and how single I am. No, Zelda chimes in, but we go because it's tradition. Hilda forces a smile and ads, and Zelda makes me. Sabrina doesn't get it, and now you're making me, Hilda reminds her tradition. Zelda compromises, telling Sabrina that if they're back in time, she can go to Harvey's party, but Sabrina still isn't satisfied. Libby's going early, so unless I'm there from the start, I may as well go to the other realm and never come back.

00:28:45
Speaker 4: She still confused. Caroline was just kind of sitting at the piano.

00:28:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm playing it.

00:28:51
Speaker 2: No, No, she doesn't play.

00:28:53
Speaker 3: I was like, is she playing.

00:28:54
Speaker 2: The She's she's gonna play it when we go to commercial break.

00:28:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cat's talking and you're worried about the piano.

00:29:01
Speaker 3: I know, it's just like strange.

00:29:11
Speaker 2: She storms out of the room and Hilda asks Zelda, can I go to Harvey's party? Now we're in Sabrina's room. Sabrina enters pouting it's so unfair they can't make me go to the other realm, and she is talking to her magical black feline Salem. He argues, they made me a cat. You're messing with the wrong crowd. Sabrina asks, So there's no way I can go to Harvey's party. Salem suggests checking her magic book in the full body duplication section. She rushes to the chapter and realizes she can make a double that looks and acts exactly like her. This way, she can send her clone to the family event, and the real Sabrina can go to Harvey's. Salem says that.

00:29:49
Speaker 4: I sense hijinks.

00:29:51
Speaker 5: Oh for the record, because I know everybody wants to know this. Salem was turned into a cat as a punishment from the Witch's Council for attempting to take over the world.

00:30:00
Speaker 2: Oh okay, right, wow, there.

00:30:03
Speaker 1: You go, and was stripped of his magical abilities.

00:30:06
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So that won't work because her aunts would spot the switch in no time. So Sabrina decides her double will just hold her place at Harvey's until she can join, and begins the spell double Double, toil and trouble. And that's the.

00:30:20
Speaker 1: Spell, it seems, that's all.

00:30:23
Speaker 2: It seems simple, a little too simple to make a clone, you.

00:30:26
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, it seems simple.

00:30:28
Speaker 2: Salem cuts in Bill Shakespeare stole that from us.

00:30:31
Speaker 1: What a hack.

00:30:32
Speaker 2: Sabrina, just standing there, states the obvious. It didn't work, but Salem instructs her to step aside, and sure enough, a double stands in her place. Og. Sabrina is in awe. Salem adds some important info. The clone can't talk until she's given something to say, and the biggest caveat it can only say three sentences total. Sabrina wants to be smart about this. She decides the first sentence will be I'd love to She points to the double and it cheerfully mimics the words. Then she lands on the second selection, that is so true, and again the double copies are Finally, she wants it to have one universal truth in its arsenal, so she decides on mister Poole can be so annoying. Sabrina is happy with the vocabulary, but realizes her clone needs a costume. She magically puts a witch costume on her clone. Hey, I look really cute. The clone responds, that is so true, and Sabrina giggles, I like me. Would either of you want a clone?

00:31:30
Speaker 1: Hell? Yes, I know.

00:31:33
Speaker 3: Now.

00:31:33
Speaker 5: My question is, though, and three is going to be too much. I'll ask you each to pick one. If you've got to convince people the clone is you. What's one of the sentences you make your clones, sep.

00:31:42
Speaker 4: Why don't do each other? Let's do this for each other.

00:31:44
Speaker 1: These sentences for will.

00:31:46
Speaker 3: Would be okay, that's one, which is the famous Wilfrid response to any note from Michael Jacob or direct.

00:31:55
Speaker 4: Ah, you didn't do that scene, right? Can we try it?

00:31:57
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

00:32:00
Speaker 4: The next Wilford line.

00:32:05
Speaker 1: I've got a cold. I can't.

00:32:08
Speaker 4: I'm sick.

00:32:09
Speaker 2: I can't.

00:32:09
Speaker 4: I can't. I don't want to get you sick.

00:32:12
Speaker 1: You know I can't.

00:32:12
Speaker 4: I don't want to get you sick.

00:32:15
Speaker 3: And that's the third will for that line would be uh.

00:32:20
Speaker 2: Something about the impossible thing, something about something self deprecating and horrible to himself, something like.

00:32:29
Speaker 5: Just yeah, just trying to get through this life as fat as I am there.

00:32:34
Speaker 4: Is I can't hear you through all the fat. Yeah, that's like the one.

00:32:40
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, how about how.

00:32:43
Speaker 1: About a rider strong? What are writers? Three sentences?

00:32:47
Speaker 2: I didn't like it.

00:32:48
Speaker 1: I didn't I did. I didn't like it.

00:32:50
Speaker 2: Really, I didn't like it.

00:32:51
Speaker 3: I don't like it. I know what you would have said back in the Boys World day, because you, you and Ben used to always imitate me, like like soccer. Jeez one said, j that's what that was.

00:33:05
Speaker 4: That was your writer bullshit.

00:33:12
Speaker 1: Jesus one said, that's great, that's great.

00:33:18
Speaker 5: And then maybe something like, you know, it just wasn't that great a film.

00:33:23
Speaker 4: I didn't like it.

00:33:24
Speaker 2: I didn't like it.

00:33:25
Speaker 3: Works for her books film something.

00:33:28
Speaker 2: About no I know, I know the other one. I can't. I'm going to be on the road for eight weeks in.

00:33:32
Speaker 3: A small.

00:33:34
Speaker 5: Exactly, I'm having dinner with some friends, not you, not you, some friends.

00:33:44
Speaker 4: All right, Danielle's wants let's go lines.

00:33:49
Speaker 1: Said just screaming streaming.

00:33:58
Speaker 4: The next one would be, I mean, do we just do we just have like.

00:34:05
Speaker 1: I could try to fit that in my schedule.

00:34:08
Speaker 4: I can try to fit that.

00:34:09
Speaker 1: I could try to fit that in my schedule. And she does It's.

00:34:13
Speaker 3: She had to do an interview for our project that we'll be working on.

00:34:17
Speaker 4: And like I was like, there's no way Danielle can do this right now.

00:34:19
Speaker 1: She did it.

00:34:21
Speaker 3: Go back to them within a day, She's like, there you go. And they were like, oh my god, she's good. Oh my god, and she nailed it on there you go.

00:34:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how I.

00:34:31
Speaker 4: Can probably sit in my schedule. And then something about the panga.

00:34:35
Speaker 3: I mean, she's just gotta got.

00:34:38
Speaker 1: Yeah it's me, Yeah, it's me.

00:34:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's me.

00:34:43
Speaker 4: Of course I could take a picture.

00:34:45
Speaker 3: Of course, of course we take a picture.

00:34:53
Speaker 4: I can fit that in my schedule.

00:34:55
Speaker 1: I can fit out of my schedule. Socrates question.

00:34:59
Speaker 2: They're all, oh my god, it is so funny.

00:35:04
Speaker 1: Know each other too.

00:35:05
Speaker 3: Well.

00:35:08
Speaker 2: We are outside of Harvey's house. Libby arrives at Harvey's door and we see Sabrina with her double in the bushes. What Sabrina gives her magical creation the lowdown. That's Libby and she's really annoying. The Double responds, mister pool can be so annoying. Sabrina explains, your mission is to make sure she's never alone with Harvey. Now, with her barking orders, the Clone walks out of the bushes and stands behind Libby. Libby is shocked. You're not supposed to be here. You're totally butting in. The Double nods that is so true. Just then, Harvey answers the door, hair slick back, white shirt and jeans. He in fact, did dress like James Dean. He leans against the door and grins, Hi, Libby. Then he notices Sabrina, Hi, you made it. You know you look really good as a witch. Libby immediately butts in, did you notice I'm dressed as Jackie Oh, another very popular teenage Really Also, she's got a crush on this guy, and she's like, I'm going to drift.

00:36:08
Speaker 6: I'm very stuffy opposites of sixy sexy Jackie O.

00:36:15
Speaker 4: She is a crush on Harvey, and so does Sabrina.

00:36:17
Speaker 1: Of course, it's a triangle, Phoenie.

00:36:22
Speaker 2: Triangle, Feeni.

00:36:23
Speaker 5: That's what Eric says, You're gonna triangle oh, you're in a triangle.

00:36:26
Speaker 2: Comma, Feenie got it? Okay, I get it.

00:36:29
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't hear it. Throw my fat Yeah, we can take a picture together.

00:36:39
Speaker 2: Harvey invites them in and announces the game plan. He and Sabrina will put out the sodas and Jackie can fill the bathtub with cheese. Its okay. The real Sabrina watches on from the bushes. Yes, I'm in, And then we're in the Spellman house. Zelda is panicking, trying to get the family together. Even with instantaneous transport, We're going to be late. Salem's the first to ride, and he's wearing an adorable little bow tie. He groans, I feel like a Chippendale's cat. Very popular again with the teens.

00:37:06
Speaker 5: Oh my god, did some of those It's like Michael ran over to write this show too, with all the random thing like what are these references?

00:37:15
Speaker 2: Then Sabrina appears in a casual top in jeans. Zelda lets her know, you are not going dressed like that. Sabrina's miles, Well, then I guess I'm not going. But Zelda doesn't let her off that easy. She changes Sabrina's outfit herself dressing her in a very conservative bubblegum pink dress paired with matching tights. Sabrina hates it. I only wore this to make Granny happy, and now that she's passed away, I'm done with it. Zelda insists it looks sweet on you, and Sabrina seems touched. Mm, that's what Granny used to say. Then Hilda bounds into the room. Let's get this show on the road. Zelda meers, you look nice, Hilda. Hilda oddly responds, pass the potatoes. Salem notes someone's in a hurry, and Hilda again oddly responds happy Halloween. Zelda is suspicious. She asks what color is my dress? And Hilda respond past the potatoes. Zelda cotter, Hilda, you are in big trouble. On cue the real Hilda bursts through the door and mutters, stupid double. She frustratingly morphs back into one version of herself. Let's go, Zelda asks, am I the only one looking forward to this?

00:38:15
Speaker 1: Hilda?

00:38:15
Speaker 2: Sabrina respond in unison yes, and walk into the closet. A flash of lightning appears beyond the doorway, and now they're in an elevator, going up and up and up, which I would like to say is not instantaneous. No, Sabrina impatiently asks, are we there yet? And then finally the elevator door opens. This is very oddly directed by the way I This elevator, I think was just one part of the wall that's in the same room as the party, right. Did it look like that to you guys? Yeah, it was like there was just a differently painted and they had them stand in front of a beije wall.

00:38:53
Speaker 3: And then but they do just like every episode, do they go in this elevator?

00:38:58
Speaker 2: No, don't visit the other realm in every episode?

00:39:02
Speaker 1: No, okay.

00:39:05
Speaker 3: Don't.

00:39:05
Speaker 1: I didn't even know it was a Christmas episode, so I noticed nothing.

00:39:12
Speaker 2: How hi, were you.

00:39:16
Speaker 4: More fun time?

00:39:19
Speaker 2: That's why you had to watch it a second time? To watch it again, They walk into a large room with a perfect view on Earth from where they're standing. Sabrina notes, no wonder my ears popped on the way up. Then an excited woman shouts excited to see Zelda. It's Mary Gold, the host of the party, whose attention now turns. Mary Gold's attention turns to Hilda. She passive aggressively compliments her that outfit always looks so nice on you. Hildad first says thank and then interrupts herself. Wait. Mary Gold responds with another backhanded comment, I see you brought your cat, but no dates. Zelda admits they're still not married. Mary Gold has had enough, don't I'll cry, then immediately turns to her attention to Sabrina. I've heard you gone to live with your aunts. Is it okay? Sabrina insists it's fine. Zelda chimes in, we love having her with us. Where was Sabrina before this? Yeah, I don't know the back I don't know the backstory.

00:40:11
Speaker 5: Either, right, because it's well, we don't know why her parents aren't around obviously.

00:40:17
Speaker 3: And I was also surprised when she talked to her grandmother and told her she was a witch. I was like, oh, so right, grandma just thought she came back from the dead without magic, and doesn't they with it.

00:40:27
Speaker 2: That there's another realm and that she could bring her back with magic, but that grandma doesn't know anything about what's happened since then is such a weird choice.

00:40:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm googling, Okay, important stuff, Yes, this is important, Okay, Yeah, I.

00:40:48
Speaker 3: Have a feeling that the magic is a little loosey goosey on this show, and maybe the rules are not as iron clad as Harry Potter or so.

00:40:58
Speaker 5: Sabrina lives with her aunts because her father Edward is away on a foreign service mission and her mother, Diana is a mortal forbidden from interacting with Sabrina during her magical awakening.

00:41:10
Speaker 3: So she's just being's. She's been taken away from her mom.

00:41:14
Speaker 5: I guess her father sends her to live with his sisters, who are witches to guide her as she discovers and learns, because you control her magical powers.

00:41:20
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, doesn't she miss her mom?

00:41:23
Speaker 2: You?

00:41:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's going to school with mortals, Like why can't she hang out with?

00:41:28
Speaker 1: That doesn't make a hole?

00:41:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, her boyfriend, the guy she has a crush on, is.

00:41:33
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I don't know.

00:41:35
Speaker 3: It's like she's integrated in the mortal world, Like why can't she?

00:41:38
Speaker 1: It seems like the rules might be a little.

00:41:45
Speaker 4: She just make this whole.

00:41:46
Speaker 3: Podcast trumpet sounds from you know, Socrates once said.

00:41:55
Speaker 1: Socrates once said I didn't like it.

00:41:59
Speaker 2: Marigold notes and niece is almost like having a daughter. Then she points to her young daughter Amanda, telling Sabrina she gets to sit with her. Sabrina sarcastically responds, oh goodie, we can talk about dolls, then glares at her aunts with utter annoyance. Marigold ushers Zelda and Hilda to her table and tells Salem he'll be sitting with the other cats, but first she must check on the consume, or, as Hilda would call it, soup soup. Hilda wonders what's wrong with soup. Zelda begs Hilda not to start, then sees Uncle noon he noon he Uncle. Do you guys remember this Uncle noon heyquently, what what are you saying? I? Yeah, okay. She passes Salem off to Sabrina before running over to him. Sabrina scowls, I can't believe I have to sit at the kitty table. Salem harps in agreement. I can't believe I have to sit at the kitty table.

00:42:48
Speaker 1: Ah ha, The dees became tease.

00:42:53
Speaker 4: It makes sense, joked.

00:43:00
Speaker 3: I do I do love that this, That he's stuck with this drunk cat really clever.

00:43:08
Speaker 2: Very funny than someone on a holiday, someone always.

00:43:11
Speaker 3: Stuck with the drunk gunk with a drunk relative.

00:43:16
Speaker 1: It's also a plate of catnip. It's like it's like the cat's doing coke.

00:43:20
Speaker 3: Yes, I would have loved if the whole episode was just a conversation, because the obvious joke is that like he's stuck with the cat who doesn't talk right, Like he's stuck with the cats. But I love that. It's like, no, it's that drunk one. Oh my god, I thought that was so clever. I was like, yes, give.

00:43:38
Speaker 2: Me more drunk cats.

00:43:40
Speaker 1: Which one of your cat would be luckier? Pickles be the drunk who would be.

00:43:45
Speaker 3: Well, actually, god, Pickles got like Lucky just gets into every box we have, and like, so I feel like Lucky would be the one.

00:43:54
Speaker 2: Yeah it was Pickles who went under the deck, right.

00:43:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Pickles. I don't Pickles would.

00:44:00
Speaker 3: We'd insist on never having a drink and then have to deal with Lucky just pound in shots and acting like Chris Harley.

00:44:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then his tone changes. Wait, give me a sec. Milady's here. Sabrina wonders who that is, and Salem explains it's Marigold's pet. She thinks her litter box doesn't stink, and what a lush He's placed across from Milady in their immediately served catnip. On the other side of the room, Sabrina introduces herself to Amanda. Amanda skips the niceties and goes straight for threat. You better be nice to me or I'll put you in a jar. Sabrina doesn't understand, so Amanda explains, I put all the people who aren't nice to me in jars. In on cue, she pulls a jar out from under the table. This is mister Altree. He tried to teach me math. Sabrina is horrified seeing a tiny little educator in a jar? Can he breathe in there? Amanda nods yes, I gave him air holes. Then she menacingly looks down at the shrunken teacher. Here's a math problem for you. Five air holes minus one air hole is how many. The teacher begs for his life. No, please, Amanda sticks her hand on one of the air holes. Anyway, and mister Altree pleads, I want to live. He gets down on his knees and repeats, I want to live.

00:45:10
Speaker 6: Yeah.

00:45:10
Speaker 3: Well, I love this, and right around here I was like, imagine if you put all cinematic like capabilities of today and made this like a really beautiful, dark like realistic scene.

00:45:24
Speaker 5: It would be awesome like Wednesday something like that, Yes, or like where.

00:45:29
Speaker 3: The cats look like real cats and like it could be just take the storyline, take the script, and but you've put it with like a real, like high quality production value.

00:45:39
Speaker 4: I'd be into that.

00:45:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, we should remake Sabrina not change a word of the scripts.

00:45:45
Speaker 1: I would, but i'd get you sick.

00:45:54
Speaker 2: Amanda responds, nobody likes pop quizzes. She puts the jar back on the floor and asks Sabrina if she'd like to put someone in a jar. Sabrina says her aunt's taughter, it's not nice to use magic to hurt people, but Amanda explains, my parents let me use magic anytime I want, and I don't even have to ask. Sabrina calls her a brat under her breath, and Amanda asks what was that. Sabrina nervously says nothing. Over at the grown ups table, Hilda asks Marigold why she has to sit by herself. Why can't she just move over one seat. Zelda responds, I'm saving this from my husband. Poor Harold's been working so much these days, I'm not even sure he'll make it. But someone's got to bring home the perscudo. Hilda rolls her eyes, what's wrong with bacon? Then Sabrina comes running up to Zelda. Can they go yet? Then Amanda walks up and yells at Sabrina, don't you walk away from me? I want to braid your hair, dragging her away. Over At Harvey's Halloween party, the party has begun and somehow every man in attendance is stressed as James Dean. Yeah, it's also never mentioned.

00:47:03
Speaker 1: No, I like that.

00:47:05
Speaker 5: Everybody showed up and went, damn it, you're in the same costume.

00:47:08
Speaker 4: Because they're all just going lazy.

00:47:10
Speaker 2: It's all right, it's a true boy, just wearing a T shirt for your Halloween costume. Meanwhile, Sabrina's double is following Libby around like a hawk. Honestly, I wonder how much of this was production, Like, we don't have a bunch of costumes for background actors just because everybody in white T shirts aren't expensive.

00:47:27
Speaker 1: I think they blew They blew it all in their elevator budget. Yeah it was.

00:47:34
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Sabrina's double is following Libby around like a hawk. Harvey approaches the girls and asks did anyone eat anything? Libby says, Deanie took a handful of pretzels, so Harvey nervously refills the giant bowl. Libby notes that the music is pretty loud, but Harvey says the neighbors haven't complained, and on cue sirens begin to blare outside. Harvey runs out the door, telling the partygoers to turn the music down. Libby continues to monitor the snack tables as the Double follows closely behind. Finally, Libby snaps, will you leave me alone? The Double, with a huge smile on her face, doesn't respond. Libby tells her to stop smiling, but the Double doesn't budge. Libby siys, oh, you were such a goodie two shoes. Finally, the Clone responds, that is so true. Libby lightens up a little. Well, at least you admit it. You know, I'd like you a lot more if you just made fun of people. But I suppose you would never do that. The Double says, mister pool can be so annoying, and Libby's impressed. That's a start. Back at the Spelman's Halloween party, Mary Gold is showing off various pictures of her husband and their lavish lifestyle. She insists that if either of them ever have a honeymoon, they should take it in the South of France. Hilda assures her she's in no hurry to get married, and Zelda confirms Hilda refuses to settle for any of the losers she's dated. Mary Gold then wonders what Zelda's excuse is. Hilda chimes in she doesn't need an excuse. She's passionate about her intellectual pursuits. Her love life is all in her head right. Then Amanda walks over and places a jar on the table. A shrunken Sabrina is inside. Amanda explains she wouldn't color with me. Mary Gold laughs, that is so cute. From inside the jar, tiny Sabrina begs her arms. Can we please go home now? I'm really not having any fun. They stare at her in disbelief. Back at Harvey's Halloween party, Libby is explaining her costume to Sabrina's double. I chose Jackie O because I sort of see myself as the first Lady of Westbridge High. The double responds, that is so true. Libby smiles thanks. Then Harvey bursts back in and notices the silence. He whispers to the girls, this party's dying we gotta do something. He glances at the snack table and freaks out. Oh man, the onion dip is bubbling, and he runs off with it. Why would the onion dippy bubbling because it's expired.

00:49:37
Speaker 5: It's expired, I think so because they bought it in bulk, got it and so Okay, a food bubbles old bad goodness.

00:49:47
Speaker 2: Wouldn't we say it's moldy?

00:49:50
Speaker 1: But it's not as funny as not as bubbling?

00:49:52
Speaker 2: Okay, I was thinking, is it like a hot dip? Is it a hot onion DIPA? Oh god, if you had a cream cheese chili dip that you can put the crack pot. You just buy a Hormel chili in a can and a block of cream.

00:50:05
Speaker 1: Cheese whispering about it too.

00:50:09
Speaker 2: All I do now is think and talk about food.

00:50:12
Speaker 1: Because you're not.

00:50:14
Speaker 2: I don't have time to eat me and I I just yeah anyway, okay, okay.

00:50:21
Speaker 1: Back to the show.

00:50:24
Speaker 2: Libby knows something must be done to save this party, something big, something wild. Then an idea pops in her head. Someone should streak it's fast, it's fun, it's naked. Clone Sabrina responds, I'd love to Libby is shocked you'd streak, The double says it again, I'd love to, Libby laughs, this is a whole new you. Has anyone at any of the parties you've ever been to talked about streaking, thought about its being a streaker?

00:50:54
Speaker 1: Yeah? Really?

00:50:56
Speaker 4: Yeah of course in the woods, Yeah, of course.

00:50:59
Speaker 3: I don't know the ones too. Not streaking, No, but not streaking for the sake, but like, like definitely getting naked and jumping in a pool, or getting naked and jumping in the ocean, getting naked jumping in a river, No.

00:51:10
Speaker 5: Scoffer, were you and your friends getting naked with each other? I'm just curious, like, what's the ball for? Give me a ballpark once a week?

00:51:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, my god?

00:51:23
Speaker 4: Really, no one's skinny dip you guys never skinny dipped?

00:51:26
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

00:51:27
Speaker 7: No.

00:51:27
Speaker 1: Wow, I skinny dip by myself at my own house. I've done that. Yeah.

00:51:33
Speaker 2: Well, we go to a commercial break. We come back to Harvey's party. A defeated Harvey returns to Libby and Sabrina's double. This party is lame. I'd leave if it weren't mine, Libby says, She's got it all taken care of. Sabrina's gonna streak. Harvey shocked, grabbing Sabrina by the arm and pulling her aside. I appreciate you trying to help out my party, but streaking is never the answer. Don't you know you'll be teased for the rest of high school. The Double responds, that is so true. Harvey wonders, then why are you doing it? In the clone answers, mister Pool can be so Harvey Size, don't change the subject. Look, this isn't like you. Why are you acting so weird? The Double stammers that mister Harvey throws his hands in the air. I can't even talk to you. I feel so alienated, giving off a real James Dean. Back to the Spellman's Halloween party, the two cats are sitting at the table with their plates of catnip licked clean. Milady admits to Salem, you're the only one who understands me. Salem grunts, yeah, but that doesn't mean I care. Nearby and now, human size, Sabrina runs up to her aunts again, dinner's over, Can we go now? Zelda Huff's we got you out of the jar? Stop whining. Mary Gold announces to the room that it's time to open presents. Amanda's up first, and she rips through her present with ease. Hilda comments, nothing like watching Halloween through the eyes of a spoiled child. Amanda beams a solid gold Dolly, Thank you mommy. Mary Gold notes it's from mommy and Daddy. Hilda pipes in, we got Sabena something too. Zelda han's her Nieces envelope and says it's from the both of them. Sabrina opens it and says, it's a gift certificate to spend half an hour with the deceased of your choice. Even Mary Golds is impressed. You got her a reanimation. Those are very pricey. Now, little Amanda demands, I want a re animation. She repeats herself over and over until Mary Gold has to rush her out of the room. Sabrina is still hung up on the gift certificate. What do I do with it? They explain she can do what she wants with it, but she must use it tonight, when the gap between the living and the dead is at its weakest. Who would you two pick?

00:53:30
Speaker 5: I was just thinking the same thing. But you can't pick family. Oh say, let's just take family out of the equation. Because everybody, we would all pick somebody that we lost that we love. So take that out of the way. Who would you pick.

00:53:41
Speaker 4: James Dean? My idea Socrates.

00:53:46
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Socrates.

00:53:48
Speaker 2: Set man, I don't know.

00:53:53
Speaker 3: You must have an answer, will you know?

00:53:56
Speaker 1: I go back and forth.

00:53:57
Speaker 5: If you're talking about just interesting people, having a meal with Jesus would be pretty incredible.

00:54:02
Speaker 1: I mean that's something cool.

00:54:04
Speaker 2: Some historical figure, yeah, something of the questions you could ask, are you.

00:54:08
Speaker 1: The actual Okay? I have several questions.

00:54:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that something like that would be cool, or like Marcus Aurelius, like somebody from ancient Rome.

00:54:20
Speaker 1: Something like that could be kind of right.

00:54:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, man, I don't no author.

00:54:26
Speaker 5: Like famous author you wish you could sit and like have a meal with. You could sit down with Hemingway or something.

00:54:31
Speaker 1: Jesus a tough meal.

00:54:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess maybe maybe an author. Yeah, probably Edward Abbey.

00:54:43
Speaker 1: Lincoln.

00:54:43
Speaker 5: Abraham Lincoln be another one to be on my list of people. I'd love to like spend time with Mark Twain. That would be a great conversation.

00:54:51
Speaker 2: I'd like to just give my gift certificate to you and then I'll take a nap.

00:54:56
Speaker 1: You could probably fit in your schedule.

00:54:57
Speaker 2: I could probably fit that in a schedule. Put that little nap in. Sabrina suggests that maybe one of them should use it, see just like I did. She just wants to get back to Harvey's party and see him dressed like James Dean. Hilda smirks, why not meet the real James Dean. Sabrina's eyes light up. How does it work? Now? She wants to have sex with James Dean. They walk into a nearby room and tell her to write down the name of the person she wants to see, then place it through the magic male slot. Sabrina asks, how do I know I'm gonna get the real James Dean and not the sausage guy. Hilda explains, first of all, the sausage Guy is still alive, but just in case, right, Star of Rebel without a Cause. Sabrina grins at the thought, but then announces I have a better idea. She writes down a name, puts it into the slot, and asks, now what. Zelda says it's their time to leave. This is Sabrina's own personal private moment, again really setting us up just having sex with James Dean.

00:55:49
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, that's.

00:55:52
Speaker 7: She's like.

00:55:53
Speaker 2: Eh. Hilda, though, wants to know who she chose, but is dragged away by her sister. Now alone, Sabrina sits down on the couch and the candle obbers begin to glow. Then Sabrina's grandma walks into the room. Am I correct that she opened the door?

00:56:07
Speaker 1: Yep, it's just the afterlife? Do you think she's on the other side with one of those hotel keys? Like, damn it, why this door up in it?

00:56:17
Speaker 3: It doesn't work.

00:56:19
Speaker 2: Sabrina embraces her grandma, telling her how much she's mister. Granny admires how sweet Sabrina looks in her dress. Back in the main room, Hilda and Zelda have taken their seats by Marygold, who notes their gift to Sabrina was lovely. Then she points to her own necklace and brags, Harold gave me this. I picked it out myself. Zelda responds, which reminds me. She pulls out a gift from under the table and hands it to Hilda. Hilda rolls her eyes. They weren't supposed to exchange gifts this year, but Hilda pulls out a gift too, she couldn't help herself either. Mary Gould points out, thank god you have each other. The women unwrap their presence and they each got each other the exact same scarf. Zelda admits, we've been living together way too long. Then the catch shrieked from the other end of the room. Milady angrily says, give that back. I know when I've had enough catnip. Mary Gold groans, oh no, the cat's soused again. As Mary Gold gets up to help, Hilda wonders, why does one of our relatives always have to get drunk? Salem appears and spills the tea. You are not gonna believe what, Milady just blurted out. The ladies leaning close as he repeats the gossip. Zelda gasps, I don't believe it. Mari Gold is splitting up with Harold. Hilda says, this is the best Halloween ever. In the other room, Sabrina is still catching up with her grandmother. She says, Aunt Hilda and Aunt Zelda do more weird things before nine am than most people do all day, but they take great care of her. Her grandmother smiles, I always like them. Then she asks if Sabrina still enjoys science. Sabrina nods, Yeah, my teacher, mister Poole can be so annoying, but he's actually a good guy. Granny asks if she has a boyfriend, to which Sabrina admits there's a boy she likes named Harvey, but right now they're just friends. Her grandmother is sure he'll fall for her, considering how beautiful and smart she is. Sabrina thinks so, then reveals there's something she'd like to tell her grandma. I'm a witch.

00:58:05
Speaker 6: Okay, somebody just brought you back from the dead. Don't you think maybe you're going to catch on? There's something's going on.

00:58:17
Speaker 2: She spent zero questions asking how this was happening. Nothing, Do you like science? Her grandma doesn't really flinch. Well, dear, as long as you're happy.

00:58:33
Speaker 4: Which is a pretty nice little lie. But I know, but it's so strange.

00:58:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all set up, like, you know, this grandmother moment is going to be kind of yeah, aging or life changing.

00:58:42
Speaker 1: Or she's gonna learn something just very generic.

00:58:45
Speaker 3: It's just like, yep, do.

00:58:47
Speaker 2: You like science? Do you have a boyfriend? You're a witch?

00:58:50
Speaker 5: I'd like this catch up with Jimmy Dean, not James Dean, but actually the sausage got that would have been agreed.

00:59:10
Speaker 2: Then we're at Harvey's party. Libby tells the clone to go outside and find a place to strip. The double response, I'd love to. Libby admires this nude do what I say attitude, then slams the door on her so she can prepare. Libby announces to the party midnight is fifteen minutes away, and I think you should all pay attention to those windows. A partygoer asks why did the Kinkles put on some cheesy ghost show. Libby grins, no, but watch closely and you might see a full moon. Then we're at the Spelman's party. Sabrina happily rejoins her aunts and reveals she got to see her granny again and tell her everything is okay. She gives each of her aunts a big hug and thanks them for the wonderful gift. Even better news, Hilda tells her it's finally time to leave. Nearby, Marygold is reminding Amanda that when someone gives you a gift, you're supposed to say thank you. Amanda says thank you to a couple standing next to her, and then throws their gift to the floor, shattering it. Mary Gold calmly states, now that's verging on rude. Zelda and Hilda bid their cousin farewell, casually dropping they know all about her divorce with Harold. Mary Gold's at a loss for words, but Zelda insists that she'll love being alone. Mary Gold starts to tear up. Oh God, I'm going to be just like you. They have no empathy for the woman as they make their way to the elevator. Once they've all entered, it takes them back down to earth. Zelda boasts I told you family gatherings are fun. Back at the party, Marygold asks Milady it's still better to be a divorcee than a spinster, right. Milady responds, ugh, stuff it, and then dumps her head back into a glass of catnip. Then Amanda appears at her mom's side. I'm hungry. I want a hamburger. Mary Gold says it's not a good time, but Amanda insists I want it now, now, now, now. So Mary Gold poofs her own daughter into a jar. I think somebody needs a time out, and now tiny Amanda puts her hands on her hips. You'll be sorry, I'm telling Daddy where you hid the silver but Mary Gold doesn't look too worried about it.

01:01:01
Speaker 3: Do you guys notice that editing was very weird. Yeah, cutting it from scene to scene. Oh, like the cut from scene to scene it's so jarring. I was like, Oh, there's no transition shots, you know, there's no like I think there's coming on an object.

01:01:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were long and they cut.

01:01:16
Speaker 4: It's really awkward.

01:01:17
Speaker 3: There's like a couple of times I was like, what is Oh, we're in a whole new scene and it just didn't feel Yeah.

01:01:22
Speaker 2: I feel like every scene in these back and forth party scenes probably started with what you're saying, like a transitions and a little bit of setup, and then when they actually got into editing, they were like, we're five minutes long, and so let's just jump to the Yeah, just.

01:01:35
Speaker 1: Jumped an establishing shot of the apartment building, the house.

01:01:39
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like.

01:01:40
Speaker 1: Stuff in every show.

01:01:41
Speaker 5: You know, didn't do any experience, no, except in front of her house.

01:01:45
Speaker 1: But it was school.

01:01:46
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why you're establishing exteriors where it's just like generic apartment building, you know, I didn't do any of that stuff.

01:01:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we're in Sabrina's room. Sabrina is casually lounging in a room when Salem asks about Harvey's party. Sabrina review she decided to stay in and read some of Granny's letters instead, So this whole episode being about please just let me get to Harvey's party. She gets to go to Harvey's party after being with her grandmother and decides, never mind, you're just gonna stay home and.

01:02:18
Speaker 5: Read these letters and forget she has a clone running around correct literally forgets there's somebody at the party already, because when they say that to her, that's right, yeah, And I think.

01:02:27
Speaker 3: The point is that, like, right, she learned the value of family tradition and her family, But that could have been easily made of her grandmother taught her something or said something like, yes, don't try to be what other people want you to be, or you know, some sort of like the moment with Grandma actually changed her, and now she's going to go back to the party and do something different or get rid of her double because she got something great. But instead it's like, we don't even need the grandma scene. She could have just said I met Grandma and it was great, and we would have the same value that we get from this, you know, So if you're talking about time, cut the Grandma scene, leave it a mystery. She could just come back and say I've really had a great time with Grandma and we don't need to see it because nothing was shared.

01:03:05
Speaker 2: No, but Salem sees a problem with this plan. You can't leave a double running around. Sabrina gasps, oh, I forgot. She goes to change, but remembers she's a witch. She points to herself and magically changes her clothes, and we're outside of Harvey's house. Sabrina's double is now stripped and standing behind a bush, handing her last piece of clothing to Libby. Libby says she'll wait for her in the backyard and starts to count down as she walks around the house. Ten nine eight. Then the real Sabrina approaches the front door but doesn't notice her naked clone, But she does remember that she's technically already at the party, so she places a black Zoro mask onto her face to conceal her identity, and as soon as she walks through that front door, Libby's countdown on a whole different costume, right, I know, and like, why did she have the mask? She didn't realize that until she walked in there. But then, why does she even have the mask?

01:03:52
Speaker 3: I don't.

01:03:53
Speaker 2: As soon as Libby's countdown hits one, the Double goes sprinting from behind the bush. The real Sabrina walks into the house and asks everyone what they're staring at. Philip Glazer James Dan number two tells her Sabrina's gonna streak, and just then the Double runs past them in the backyard. The entire room cheers as real Sabrina watches in horror. She makes her way over to Harvey, who is shocked. I can't believe Sabrina did that. The real Sabrina insists I didn't, then takes off her mask to reveal herself. That wasn't me. Harvey seems relieved. He can't believe she's here. Sabrina wonders where else would I be? He grins, I knew Libby couldn't make you streak, but now he has to wonder who was that outside. Sabrina stammers, uh, I don't see Libby anywhere. Must have been her. Harvey gasps, that was Libby. He turns to the entire party, Hey, everyone, that was Libby's streaking. They all burst into laughter at the news.

01:04:43
Speaker 3: And no one saw her face like no.

01:04:45
Speaker 2: No, Then on cue, Libby walks in with a huge smile on her face. Wasn't that fun? The whole party shouts in approval. Whoa Libby's glad they all enjoyed it. She turns around to see the now fully clothed Sabrina behind her. How'd you get in here so quick? Sabrina gaslights her. What are you talking? I've been here the whole time. Libby's rightfully confused. But I just gave you your clothes outside. Harvey butts in, Give it up, Livvy, we all know you're the one who streaked. She's offended. I did not, but another boy argues, yes, you did. We saw your butt. Everyone bursts into laughter, once again slut shaming her, and Libby insists, but that was not me. You were all so immature, and then she runs out of the house. Sabrina tells Harvey my aunts were right. Halloween is a magical night. Harvey asks, I know I blew up on you before, but could you stay late and help me clean up? She grins, I'd love to. I mean, I'd really enjoy that. But first I got to get some fresh air. As she leaves, Harvey admits, I don't blame you. Those expiration dates are a lot more precise than you think. He's got the toots, got the runs. He vacs away from the snack table in Horror.

01:05:52
Speaker 3: So this is it's really interesting to encounter a show where like the bad Pece people get punished. Yeah, that's kind of all that happens, right, Like the the relative woman who is making fun of them, just like is her life is ruined? And then the daughters took j and then Libby gets run screaming and shamed out of the party, and I'm just like Boy Meets World never did that. Like if if somebody wanted to get somebody for being a bad person, by the end of the episode, they would usually realize that that was a bad impulse or that the person didn't really deserve that, or that if they got it, they would feel bad about it. Like that that's the nuance, right, Like the satisfaction of story of like this is a this person is my enemy, and then like Boy Meets World will always complicate that and be like they're not really your enemy, or you think they are, but they're also just sad or you know whatever.

01:06:46
Speaker 4: And that's like the next level that.

01:06:49
Speaker 5: There's no revenge fantasy in purely like everybody gets what they deserve. Sabrina wins again exactly.

01:06:58
Speaker 1: That sucks.

01:07:00
Speaker 4: I'm just like okay, like.

01:07:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, Boylet's world was always asking the why behind everything? Why but why? But why?

01:07:08
Speaker 3: Yes? And I think that's why it lasts, right, Like that's why people want to go back to and be like, right, Corey wanted mister Feenie to get sick, and then he got sick, and then he felt really bad, and then you have to like watch the show again and think about it and be like right, so Corey got what he wanted, but it wasn't cool, and like in this case, it's literally like these people are bad and they.

01:07:27
Speaker 2: Get it exactly. And because it's because Libby has a crush on Harvey and isn't the nicest person, you're going to ruin her reputation and shame her out of that party.

01:07:40
Speaker 1: Much just so straightforward, right, It's just like okay, yeah, and it's.

01:07:43
Speaker 3: Funny because they were more popular than us, so I feel like there is something more immediately satisfied. It's like it's a candy. You know, it's like, oh, that's good. But then it doesn't. It's not there's a protein doesn't last. It doesn't actually do the thing. What you're saying, though, is I think Boy meets World. It's it lasted in a way. That's Sabrina the teenage Witch exactly exactly, because it has more nutrients. Right, It's like there's something there to like, you satisfy the story, but then you take it to the next level and you make it.

01:08:10
Speaker 4: You have to think about it. You got to revisit it.

01:08:12
Speaker 3: It's gonna last.

01:08:14
Speaker 2: We're outside of Harvey's house. The real Sabrina calls out for her double, who pops up out of nowhere. She's still putting on her clothes with a huge smile. Sabrina points out that the clone's dress is on backwards, but the Clone just smiles. Real Sabrina can't take it, so she runs up to the double and merges back into one. She triumphantly smiles, Now everything's back to normal. But immediately after she says this, she answers herself in a real robotic voice, that is so true. Uh oh weird, And she walks back to the party, and then we're in the tag in this Spellman's living room, Sabrina or maybe Melissa Joan Hart is giving a PSA to the viewer.

01:08:49
Speaker 3: Did this happen regularly? Like was the tag always her talking to camera?

01:08:53
Speaker 2: No, no, looking right down the lens, explaining the real meaning of Halloween. It's about friends and family, urging us to not give into the commercialization of it.

01:09:07
Speaker 5: What it's like, it's a Christmas I say, yeah, is it supposed to be tongue in cheek like it's a Christmas?

01:09:12
Speaker 1: Yeahs because camera?

01:09:17
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

01:09:18
Speaker 3: Oh and I think I also thought was this like an homage to Clarissa explains it all?

01:09:22
Speaker 4: Because didn't she camera?

01:09:23
Speaker 2: That would make sense.

01:09:24
Speaker 3: Maybe every tag do this where she turns to camera and talks as like a little like wink to Clarissa.

01:09:30
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, every tag was not like that. But now that you're talking about a Christmas p SAT.

01:09:38
Speaker 3: They were like, Hey, if we do a Halloween episode, that's kind of like a Christmas we should do what they do on Christmas episodes. We talk about the spirit of the season, but it's a joke because it's Halloween.

01:09:48
Speaker 2: So she explains the true meaning of Halloween is what's inside you. Then she turns to Salem and asks, right, the cat says, there's a pound of candy corn inside me. She looks back at the camera and says, ignore him. Happy Halloween. So there you go. That was an episode of television that aired.

01:10:06
Speaker 7: And.

01:10:09
Speaker 5: I wonder if that would everyone's gonna be like, oh god, you shouldn't have started with that episode, like you picked.

01:10:13
Speaker 1: The worst episode, or you should have.

01:10:15
Speaker 5: Started with this, you should Like, I don't know, And I also don't know how the show progresses because you watched the fourth or fifth episode of Boy.

01:10:21
Speaker 1: We're also still trying to find our way fourth or.

01:10:23
Speaker 2: Fifth episode of Boys.

01:10:26
Speaker 5: To Penga's that's when the show really started to go downhill.

01:10:30
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's.

01:10:33
Speaker 2: Just over it.

01:10:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I think that this show was just it was completely different. Yea. It's like we can't really compare it, you know, because this was a very successful show. It delivered what people wanted.

01:10:50
Speaker 2: On a already successful I p like you know what I mean, like it was it was it was this is.

01:10:54
Speaker 1: All Archie comics stuff, so this is really important.

01:10:56
Speaker 2: This was kind of just like they were barely even filling in the blanks of a TV show. They were just like, the hook is this character who's a witch, and let's just do as much of that matches chef as possible. Yeah exactly.

01:11:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, well you'll be happy to hear the next episode's a little more serious that you guys are going to watch for the Halloween specials. Can I read you the synopsis of it. It's an episode of Family Matters, and the synopsis is this Erkele is spooked when his friend Twiloquist Dummy comes to life and sets out to torment The winslows, Oh, now you're talking now.

01:11:33
Speaker 1: We did I haunt that?

01:11:36
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01:11:50
Speaker 1: There's so many ways to go with it this week.

01:11:52
Speaker 5: So I'm going back and forth from Jensen two.

01:11:55
Speaker 1: I don't like it too.

01:11:56
Speaker 5: I can't hear you through the fat, but in fairness to produce Jensen, I'm gonna go.

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