Puppy Culture Potluck: Ep41 - Freestyling Mother's Pudding

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I'm Jane Messineo Lindquist.

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And this is a Puppy Culture
potluck podcast.

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You bring the topics,

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we bring the conversation.

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This week's topic is mother's pudding.

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And specifically tweaking the ingredients
for mother's pudding.

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And here's the question.

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Hey everyone.

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I was just wondering what brand of cool
and serve vanilla

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pudding mix you all are using for mother's
pudding?

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Is anyone having trouble
with the Jell-O Cook and serve.

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I've had four litters.

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The last litter I had the puppies
get diarrhea on day three.

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Nightmare.

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And we never got it fully resolved
until they got on to food at three weeks.

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Then they never looked back.

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We ruled out everything we could think of.

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I am also a vet
and have a specialist interest in repro.

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I asked specialists for more ideas as well
and tried many things.

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Nothing helped until their diet changed.

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The only thing we could come up with
was the mother's pudding.

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That being said,
I made it the same every time.

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My other two females did wonderful on it
and there was no puppy diarrhea.

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This female is having her second litter
in a few weeks.

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I'm gonna try to do mother's
pudding for her again.

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Wondering if they changed something else
in the Jell-O Cook

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and Serve vanilla pudding mix,
that could be a problem.

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I want to use it because they do so much
better with it on the calories.

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Help!

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So I did ask a few follow up

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questions on this, and, I don't think that
the original poster saw them.

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I didn't get an answer, but

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you know,
I don't know what else this dam is eating.

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I don't know what her base diet is,
so I can't say for sure

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that we've truly ruled out
everything that it could be.

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I also think it would be unusual for a dam
to eat mother's

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pudding for the entire three weeks
that she's nursing, but possibly,

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you know, with a big litter, it's
possible that she was.

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But let's put that aside

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and focus just generally on

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what kind of things potentially

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could cause an adverse reaction
to mother's milk such as this,

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because this is what it is,
is essentially, it's like the puppies

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are almost allergic to their mother's milk
and they're getting diarrhea.

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In human
infants, the most common allergens

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that are cited to pass through breast
milk are wheat, soy, and cow milk.

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Now, again,
I don't have to tell you that wheat

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and soy are things
that are going to be found in kibble.

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So if this dog is on kibble,
that is a very likely culprit,

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if that is what the problem is.

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But just to cover all the bases,

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let's talk about alternate recipes
for mother's pudding.

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First of all,
I'd be making it from scratch.

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We have a recipe card
on the Puppy Culture website.

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You can get it there.

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Go to puppyculture.com

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and under the tab Useful Information,

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if you go to the references for breeder
section,

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there is a made from scratch
Mother's Pudding Core recipe card.

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Also, under that

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same useful information tab,
there's a free video

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where I demonstrate
how to make Mother's pudding from scratch.

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So definitely
avail yourself of those two resources.

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Back to the original posters dilemma.

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I would try making it with potato flour

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and I would greatly reduce the sugar
because remember sugar

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is in osmotic laxative?

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In our breeder course,
we teach how to use sugar

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as a tool to help relieve constipated
puppies.

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Sugar brings water into the large
intestine and softens the stool.

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And I know in this case
it's the dam eating the sugar.

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But in humans, very high
sugar diets can pass through breast milk.

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So in theory at least, it's possible

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if the dam really had a lot of mother's
pudding

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made with the full amount of sugar

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it could

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make her milk higher in sugar content.

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And if the puppies were getting extra
sugary milk,

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that could be softening their stools.

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I mean, the dam would have to be eating
a lot

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of mother's pudding for a long period
of time for that to happen.

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But, you know, I'm just throwing stuff,
I'm spitballing, throwing stuff out there.

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So try the potato flour,

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which also has better prebiotics

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than corn or wheat anyway,
and then cut the sugar way back

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and put in just enough
to make it palatable for the dam.

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I'm also assuming
that she's making this with goat

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milk, because that is the recipe.

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But if she is making it with cow milk,

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that would be another potential allergen

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that she could eliminate
by switching that out for goat milk.

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I just want to

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add, in case people listening to this

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are worried now about giving mothers
pudding to their dams.

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I have never seen this happen.

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This is a totally theoretical stab
at this.

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And honestly, I would imagine

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there could be another explanation
than the mother's pudding.

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But it's worth it to bring up the subject
that you can tweak

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the ingredients,
that it's very easy to make on your own.

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I mean, essentially it's eggs,
corn starch,

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sugar, and goat milk.

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You can freestyle those ingredients

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and use more or less and change the recipe
as you go along.

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Listen,
it started out with the pudding mix

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because most people

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just the thought of of

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making pudding on the stovetop is just
it's a lot for people, okay.

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But really, we give you directions.

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There's a video
there on how to make it on on our website.

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It it's worth it really to

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master this because it's a good idea
to have different formulas.

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You know, you maybe were going
to start out with an awful lot of sugar

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because that's when the dam
really needs that hit of energy,

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and you might be ramping it down
as you go along.

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I definitely have had dams
who would only eat mother's pudding

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and wound up eating a lot of mother's
pudding in the beginning

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and wound up getting loose stools
from that.

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And in those cases,
I folded in canned pumpkin.

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So that's just one example of the way

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that I change around the formula
depending on the circumstances.

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In an ideal world,
Mother's pudding is not a sustenance diet.

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It's a shot in the arm.

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Normally I don't have bitches
eating a lot of it for three weeks.

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But you know,
there's always exception to this rule.

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And you can troubleshoot
by tweaking the ingredients.

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Another thing I would mention

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as a raw feeder, I always have ground

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chicken frames on hand
when I'm having a litter.

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And the reason being for the puppies
and for the dam, there will be times

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when the balance of bone to meat
ratio is going to be off, right?

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So if she is eating a lot of mother's
pudding

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again
with the loose stools, with the sugar

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and not getting enough bone in proportion
in her diet.

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So throwing in those ground chicken
frames, which is essentially just ground

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to bone, can often balance that again
and tighten up her stool.

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And also obviously
an amazing hit of calcium.

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Now does that pass through to the puppies?

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I mean, as much as anything else would.

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Okay, so

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again,
just to clarify, I'm not saying that

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that is what's going on here
or that is why the puppies had diarrhea.

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But if it is ingredient
in the mother's pudding,

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it is just as likely that the milk

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composition was changed
not by the mother's pudding per se,

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as being thrown off of, of proportion.

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Right, so that she's not
getting enough bone in her diet.

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So adding bone, you know, that it's

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a, it's a handy tool to have on hand.

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Well, that's short and sweet.

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A little bit
about freestyling the mother's pudding.

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