Ep:199 Massive Bigfoot Just Feet Away

<v Speaker 1>I see something stand up on the right side of
<v Speaker 1>the road, turn around and try to start to climb
<v Speaker 1>the cutbank. I'm going through my mind, what is this?
<v Speaker 1>This was the largest creature I have ever seen, so massive.
<v Speaker 1>I got freaking goosebumps. That was the only time I
<v Speaker 1>was I was genuinely scared. I didn't know what this was.
<v Speaker 1>If if that thing so chose to go after you
<v Speaker 1>or me or anybody, there ain't nothing that could stop it.
<v Speaker 1>If you're locked in your car and it ain't gonna
<v Speaker 1>stat wouldn't stop it. If you're locked in your house.
<v Speaker 1>If it's if it had nefarious intentions, You're done. That
<v Speaker 1>was a very life changing moment.
<v Speaker 2>So how old were you whenever the bigfoot thing happened?
<v Speaker 1>I was ten. I was or almost ten, creeping up
<v Speaker 1>on my tenth birthday. It was August seventy nine, the
<v Speaker 1>first time I seen something, and I was looking at
<v Speaker 1>Google Maps in the area my dad and I used
<v Speaker 1>to go backpacking, and there's still nothing out there, which
<v Speaker 1>is up around Gypsy Meadows north of Priest Lake, north
<v Speaker 1>of Priest River. Continental Mine used to go up around
<v Speaker 1>Continental Mine. We used to make our way east and
<v Speaker 1>Mom used to pick us up at Sullivan Lake sometimes
<v Speaker 1>Medaaline falls, but that was that was that was something
<v Speaker 1>my dad knewed to do for his mental health, and
<v Speaker 1>thank god he did, because that was only that was
<v Speaker 1>the only time he never drank. That is when we
<v Speaker 1>were out in the woods. And I'll call him my dad,
<v Speaker 1>but he was my stepfather. I didn't know until I
<v Speaker 1>was fit, almost thirty. But he was always there for me.
<v Speaker 1>He gave me the love of the outdoors. He gave
<v Speaker 1>me a skill set that I take for granted. Sometimes
<v Speaker 1>I don't realize the things that he taught me until
<v Speaker 1>him like, yeah, that's normal. Yeah you can catch a
<v Speaker 1>deer by hand. I mean you can have to know
<v Speaker 1>how to do it, and you have to have the
<v Speaker 1>patience to sit and be perfectly still and just I
<v Speaker 1>mean not blink, not move, not fart, not scratch your eye, nothing,
<v Speaker 1>perfectly still. And the wildlife that will walk up to
<v Speaker 1>you or walk by you is just incredible. It's incredible.
<v Speaker 1>Houston do this thing. I never thought about it until recently.
<v Speaker 1>We would we would leave our socks are dirty socks.
<v Speaker 1>You know'll wear your socks for a few days and
<v Speaker 1>they get pretty pretty nasty. Their own. Yeah, he'd roll
<v Speaker 1>them up and he put a little piece of twine around,
<v Speaker 1>a little piece of fishing string or something. He'd roll
<v Speaker 1>him up, tie him up tight, and hang them in
<v Speaker 1>a tree and his and I think, I really think
<v Speaker 1>it works. His thought behind it was, or his reasoning
<v Speaker 1>behind it was, your set is out here, now it
<v Speaker 1>will be out here, or set will be normal in
<v Speaker 1>this area. And I still do it to this day.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if if you're up around Soliho Lake or
<v Speaker 1>Juicy Meadows and you see somebody sock tied up in
<v Speaker 1>a little ball hanging from a tree, I was there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of nuts.
<v Speaker 2>So you were out in the outdoors your entire life
<v Speaker 2>starting at a very early age.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we used to go even when we lived
<v Speaker 1>down in California. See, my family's their roots are in
<v Speaker 1>northern Idaho, northeastern Washington, Montana. That's where our roots are from.
<v Speaker 1>I's had a lot of family up in the Pacific Northwest,
<v Speaker 1>but my grandfather moved down to the Bay Area in
<v Speaker 1>the fifties to start a job that was based out
<v Speaker 1>of the Bay Area. He worked for a defense contractor,
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, that's how the family got down there. But
<v Speaker 1>even when I was down there where my dad came
<v Speaker 1>back from Vietnam, lessons on how to be a man,
<v Speaker 1>he dished him out. I wasn't his biological son, but
<v Speaker 1>he took me hunting, he took me fishing, he took
<v Speaker 1>me shooting, He took me out in the woods. From
<v Speaker 1>the time I was to take a small kid out
<v Speaker 1>and do all those things, it can be a pain
<v Speaker 1>in the ass, it never slowed him down. He always
<v Speaker 1>took me and he he gave me the love for
<v Speaker 1>the outdoors like like nothing else. And then when we
<v Speaker 1>moved my mom and dad moved up to the Pacific northwest. Uh.
<v Speaker 1>I had never seen trees in forests and water just
<v Speaker 1>coming out of the ground, and uh, running down the
<v Speaker 1>side of a mountain. It had never seen anything like that.
<v Speaker 1>And it was it's cold, it's cold. But no, my
<v Speaker 1>dad had some. My dad had some. He had some demons.
<v Speaker 1>And the only place that he was ever really in
<v Speaker 1>control was where he felt like he was in controls
<v Speaker 1>out in the woods. And he grew up in Michigan,
<v Speaker 1>and he used to tell me the only reason he
<v Speaker 1>made it home from Vietnam because he had lost a
<v Speaker 1>lot of friends over there. The only reason he made
<v Speaker 1>it home from Vietnam was when he was younger, he
<v Speaker 1>was told to go outside and play, and him and
<v Speaker 1>his brother would roam around the forest in Michigan, hunting
<v Speaker 1>and camping and fishing and eating squirrels for dinner and
<v Speaker 1>not coming home for three days. And he learned how to,
<v Speaker 1>you know, do what you do out in the wild. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and he passed, he passed. He passed a lot of
<v Speaker 1>that along to me, I don't know if I know
<v Speaker 1>near as much as he did about that, but I'm
<v Speaker 1>comfortable out in the woods.
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about that day. Whenever you saw what
<v Speaker 2>you saw, you're ten years old, you're at your family's property.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my uncle ranch in northern Idaho. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if you call it a hobby ranch or I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>He had fifty sixty head of cattle. And on the
<v Speaker 1>way up, my dad and I were talking that there
<v Speaker 1>was a guy down the highway that wanted us to
<v Speaker 1>come clean some coyotes out of the area. And our
<v Speaker 1>main conversation was, man, I wish I could wait a
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks or wait a couple months so our
<v Speaker 1>pelts get thick. Another thing we used to do, is
<v Speaker 1>you know people had a coyote problem, Well, we'd solve
<v Speaker 1>their problem and we'd sell the pelts. And at that
<v Speaker 1>time of the year, the pelts weren't worth a whole
<v Speaker 1>lot of money. We get up to my uncle's ranch
<v Speaker 1>and my mom and my aunt were sitting in the house.
<v Speaker 1>I go out and I'm splitting wood. I'm helping my
<v Speaker 1>uncle get ready for winter. And I'm going to say
<v Speaker 1>it was August, August of seventy nine, because it was
<v Speaker 1>the first year that we were up in the Pacific Northwest.
<v Speaker 1>We'd been up there for a few months. School hadn't
<v Speaker 1>started yet, but it was getting close. My dad my
<v Speaker 1>uncle got in the tracker and they were going back
<v Speaker 1>to the back pasture to fix some fences before winter,
<v Speaker 1>because the ground was still relatively soft. And I always
<v Speaker 1>stayed up at the house to split wood. I split
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of wood, and I got done what I
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to get done, and I tied my shoelaces together,
<v Speaker 1>threw my shoes over around my neck, and I was
<v Speaker 1>walking back to where they were. And it's probably I
<v Speaker 1>want to say, three miles in reality, maybe a mile
<v Speaker 1>and a half back to where I thought they were
<v Speaker 1>at and I walked through the front pasture. I get
<v Speaker 1>on the little tractor trail heading towards the back pasture,
<v Speaker 1>and I hear my dad driving a fence post, like
<v Speaker 1>a piece of well casing with a big plate welded
<v Speaker 1>on the end. He was driving wood posts. My dad
<v Speaker 1>was kind of a big guy because that thing was heavy. Man,
<v Speaker 1>that was heavy.
<v Speaker 3>And I hear thunk, sunk, sunk, and then it's quiet,
<v Speaker 3>and I hear another thunk. It's a little different, so
<v Speaker 3>I but it's coming from a different direction.
<v Speaker 1>So I stop. And at this point, I'm probably half
<v Speaker 1>a mile from the house. So I stop and I
<v Speaker 1>close my eyes. I cut my cut my hand, cut
<v Speaker 1>my hands around my ears, and I pivot to the right,
<v Speaker 1>pivot to the left, back to the right, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>trying to listen to you, if you see if I
<v Speaker 1>can pick up hearing my dad or my uncle talk
<v Speaker 1>or some kind of noise, just to make sure I
<v Speaker 1>don't go to the wrong spot. Because I knew the
<v Speaker 1>area real well, I wouldn't get lost, but I didn't
<v Speaker 1>want to know horse around to waste a munch time.
<v Speaker 1>And as I'm pivoting around, I hear a little snap.
<v Speaker 1>I opened my eyes and there stands this guy, a
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot guy covered in hair. It wasn't until recently that
<v Speaker 1>I admitted to myself that was not a human being,
<v Speaker 1>that was a big foot. Yeah. I turned around and
<v Speaker 1>he's just standing there. He's got his right arm kind
<v Speaker 1>of not wrapped around a tree, but kind of hold
<v Speaker 1>them onto the tree. He's kind of leaning. He's looking
<v Speaker 1>at me. He's black or a super dark brown. The
<v Speaker 1>face is really kind of expressionless. There wasn't any aggression.
<v Speaker 1>But the sun coming through a canopy. And I figured
<v Speaker 1>this out a few years later because it looked salt
<v Speaker 1>and pepper to me, but the sun coming through the
<v Speaker 1>canopy made him look kind of salt and pepper colored.
<v Speaker 1>I would say he was a foot and a half
<v Speaker 1>tar than my dad. It's it's really hard to say
<v Speaker 1>because I'm looking uphill at him. He's probably fifteen twenty
<v Speaker 1>feet away, and he just stood there and I'm looking
<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to put it together. I'm thinking it's
<v Speaker 1>a fairal human being. Yeah, it was. His hands were disproportionate.
<v Speaker 1>It's like his thumb was up more on his wrists.
<v Speaker 1>Big hands, freakiously frequiusly well groomed. So I wasn't thinking
<v Speaker 1>animal because my dad had this conversation about the animal
<v Speaker 1>pelts that morning. And this thing was covered in hair
<v Speaker 1>head to toe. It had some bald spots or thin
<v Speaker 1>hair spots under the arms, like the inside of the arm,
<v Speaker 1>the side of the chest, kind of down between the thighs.
<v Speaker 1>Chest was covered in hair. The brow ridge around the eyes,
<v Speaker 1>the upper part of the she there wasn't hair on
<v Speaker 1>the upper lip, so it's just like a little spot
<v Speaker 1>on the face. Really really thick, thick browrige look Native
<v Speaker 1>American like, like if if you took a snapshot from
<v Speaker 1>above the upper lip to the top of the brow
<v Speaker 1>rige looked Native American looked. It just looked really peaceful.
<v Speaker 1>Scared the piss out of me, I didn't. I didn't there.
<v Speaker 1>There shouldn't be anybody on my uncle's property, right because
<v Speaker 1>he was he was not too keen on that he was.
<v Speaker 1>He was a mean, nasty person and he had no
<v Speaker 1>tolerance for Shenanigans. So to think that there was it
<v Speaker 1>just it didn't make sense. I'd never heard bigfoot, never
<v Speaker 1>seen h anything on TV about Bigfoot. I heard of
<v Speaker 1>the bottable snowman. But I thought that was a cartoon thing.
<v Speaker 2>But whenever you're looking at it, you're definitely thinking giant person.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, more human being, more more man than than animal.
<v Speaker 1>Foresuore without a doubt because I I It wasn't until
<v Speaker 1>I started listening listening to a lot of different podcasts
<v Speaker 1>and stories and people's recollections of what they've seen, and
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them and do you know what you do?
<v Speaker 1>I hear you do it, I hear other podcasters do it.
<v Speaker 1>People will get on these stories that I'm just thinking,
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, these people are bat shit crazy. And
<v Speaker 1>then they'll they'll say something that makes sense, that clicks,
<v Speaker 1>that goes along with an experien answer something that I've
<v Speaker 1>witnessed or gone through out in the woods, and I'm like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>there's something here, there's something here they've had, they've had
<v Speaker 1>or real experience, and they just might be filling in
<v Speaker 1>the gaps with things that make sense to them, which
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try really really hard not to do.
<v Speaker 1>One thing that stood out to me is because it
<v Speaker 1>stood perfectly still looking at me. I could see the
<v Speaker 1>white summit's eyes, but where I was standing on this
<v Speaker 1>this tractor rod just kind of two trails with uh
<v Speaker 1>grass in between, two like higher tracks with grass in between.
<v Speaker 1>Where I was standing on there, where this creature was
<v Speaker 1>was up on the hill to the east to the
<v Speaker 1>west of me, I'm sorry, And to the east of
<v Speaker 1>me was kind of a patch of timber. It was
<v Speaker 1>all mostly deciduous, but it was kind of marshy in there,
<v Speaker 1>and you could always always smell rotting vegetation. And the
<v Speaker 1>mosquitoes were super thick. And I don't know if a
<v Speaker 1>mosquito buzzed its face or its eye, but like if
<v Speaker 1>you're out there and you're you're getting swarmed by mosquitoes
<v Speaker 1>and one hits the corner of your eye, you WinCE
<v Speaker 1>right right, and it pulls your cheek up and pulls
<v Speaker 1>your lip up a little bit. It did that, and
<v Speaker 1>I could see I could see its teeth, and it
<v Speaker 1>looked like human teeth. There were no canines or it
<v Speaker 1>wasn't snarling. It just kind of closed its eye. Its
<v Speaker 1>che came up a little bit, and it's tea looked
<v Speaker 1>like my teeth, your teeth, normal human being teeth, horse teeth.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe because it was it was big, a lot bigger
<v Speaker 1>than I was. I was trying to figure out exactly
<v Speaker 1>how big I was at the time. The only thing
<v Speaker 1>I could come up with is I could sit on
<v Speaker 1>my my KX two fifty and flat footed, so I
<v Speaker 1>had to be at least five six, maybe five to eight.
<v Speaker 1>So I wasn't a little guy when I was younger,
<v Speaker 1>but I wasn't a huge guy either. But I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I wrestled with what that was for many, many, many,
<v Speaker 1>many many years, and then I started. I made the
<v Speaker 1>decision I won't want to go any further because I
<v Speaker 1>didn't know what I was looking at or what was
<v Speaker 1>out there with me. Yeah, And so I started back
<v Speaker 1>and walking backwards, slowly, back towards the house. And when
<v Speaker 1>it was out of a sight, I turned and I
<v Speaker 1>didn't run, but I didn't walk either. It was a
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a pace. And I got back and
<v Speaker 1>I told my aunt my mom about it. And my
<v Speaker 1>aunt had been stuck in a wheelchair for most of
<v Speaker 1>her life, and she'd been stuck in the house that
<v Speaker 1>my uncle had built most of her life. And she
<v Speaker 1>made the comment she called him by a name I
<v Speaker 1>want to say, she called him Blackie. But she's like,
<v Speaker 1>she was like, yeah, he used to come look in
<v Speaker 1>the windows at me, and I'm glad he's still around.
<v Speaker 1>And whatever you do, don't say a word to uncle
<v Speaker 1>because he'll get mad. And when he got mad, man,
<v Speaker 1>it was not a good place to be. He was
<v Speaker 1>just yeap. So I didn't say anything. I didn't say
<v Speaker 1>anything mine. I guess it was a couple of weeks
<v Speaker 1>layer because school was still hadn't started yet, but it
<v Speaker 1>was getting close. And my uncle had a sawmill down
<v Speaker 1>on the property, and my dad was working on a
<v Speaker 1>new barn, but my uncle was at the mill. I
<v Speaker 1>was out farting around, I don't know, catching snakes or shooting,
<v Speaker 1>shooting squirrels or something, and I seen this is the
<v Speaker 1>second thing I seen. I seen what I perceived as
<v Speaker 1>a human being walking in the creek up toward the
<v Speaker 1>back pasture, which like it was on the southe or
<v Speaker 1>the The pasture goes from about I don't know, one
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty degrees to two hundred and ninety degrees,
<v Speaker 1>so it's not north and south, it's not east and west,
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of in between. This guy was walking through
<v Speaker 1>the creek on the lower end of the back pasture,
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, what, it's not hunting season yet.
<v Speaker 1>I went running over to my uncle. I was going
<v Speaker 1>to grab me a BP s see or that he
<v Speaker 1>just split or something to go give that guy the
<v Speaker 1>what four? And I was asking my uncle if he
<v Speaker 1>told anybody that could be up there scouting deer, and
<v Speaker 1>told him what I see, and he was like, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to go back to the house
<v Speaker 1>and have lunch now. And the reason that sounds so
<v Speaker 1>weird is it wasn't noon. Lunch was from started at
<v Speaker 1>twelve o'clock, not eleven fifty five. Twelve o'clock. You go back,
<v Speaker 1>get some to eat, go back to work. And I
<v Speaker 1>mean very very strict about that. That's just how he was.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't put it together till later that how strange
<v Speaker 1>that was. So we went back up to the house,
<v Speaker 1>had had a blowneam shee sandlers went back down there.
<v Speaker 1>He just told me to stay out of the back paster,
<v Speaker 1>especially by the big seed tree. And yeah, me having
<v Speaker 1>more balls and brains as my grandmother and my grandfather
<v Speaker 1>and my mom and my dad everybody would claim, I
<v Speaker 1>went sneaking out and went trucking back up there, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm strapes it through the creek looking for this this guy,
<v Speaker 1>And I'm trying to look from the creek, you know,
<v Speaker 1>back to where I was to see if I'm in
<v Speaker 1>the same area, and I can't see over the grass,
<v Speaker 1>I can't see through the grass. I'm my head is
<v Speaker 1>well below the top of the grass but runs along
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the creek. So what I seen I
<v Speaker 1>seen from mid torso up above the grass. So whoever
<v Speaker 1>it was, it was a whole heck of a lot
<v Speaker 1>bigger than I was. Yeah, So I just farted around
<v Speaker 1>and I was like half made my way back up there.
<v Speaker 2>But it was definitely a different thing than the first
<v Speaker 2>thing you saw.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, first thing I seen was black. The sun
<v Speaker 1>hit it looked kind of a kind of salt and
<v Speaker 1>pepper color. The thing that I seen walking up through
<v Speaker 1>the creek was cinnamon. It was cinnamon colored. I just assumed,
<v Speaker 1>you know, granted, it's it's tailing to August, first part
<v Speaker 1>of September. Wearing a coat doesn't make sense at all,
<v Speaker 1>But I just I thought it was a guy wearing
<v Speaker 1>a coat. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Both times, the reaction was seemingly that they knew exactly
<v Speaker 2>what you had seen, They knew they were there, and
<v Speaker 2>leave them alone.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was so the front pastor was a little
<v Speaker 4>higher elevation in his back pasture, and there were hundreds,
<v Speaker 4>if not thousands, of ground squirrels.
<v Speaker 1>And my uncle used to pay me a diame apiece
<v Speaker 1>for everyone that I shoot, and I were to put
<v Speaker 1>him in this box up by the mill, and they
<v Speaker 1>would disappear. And the reason he'd have me shoot him
<v Speaker 1>is because cattle would get their legs step in and
<v Speaker 1>break their legs and he'd lose a cow. So about
<v Speaker 1>once a year there would be a cow carcass on
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the back pasture, never in the same spot,
<v Speaker 1>always in a different spot, but there would be a
<v Speaker 1>cow carcass on the edge of the back pasture, and
<v Speaker 1>my uncle just it was just the cost of doing business.
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you lose them, which is true, but they're always
<v Speaker 1>up in the back paster. There were no there were
<v Speaker 1>no ground squirrels or marmots or anything up in the
<v Speaker 1>back pasture because it was a lot lower, little elevation,
<v Speaker 1>and the ground was really soft. I mean it had
<v Speaker 1>the creek running through it, there was that swampy marshy area.
<v Speaker 1>The ground was always soft up there always no ground
<v Speaker 1>squirrels up there at all. The front pasture was infested
<v Speaker 1>with them, and he said the cows could step in
<v Speaker 1>them and break their legs. Yet every year there'd be
<v Speaker 1>at least one dead cow. We won't even see the cow,
<v Speaker 1>it would be just just the skeleton of it up
<v Speaker 1>in the back pasture. So was it a habituation site.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know that there was one
<v Speaker 1>area of the property he said to absolutely stay away from.
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you about that. You mentioned
<v Speaker 2>the big cedar. What was going on?
<v Speaker 1>There was a giant sear tree, and I'll describe it
<v Speaker 1>because if anybody up there has seen it, and they'll
<v Speaker 1>know exactly where I'm talking about. But that's okay. I
<v Speaker 1>think there's enough respect not to bother the people that
<v Speaker 1>are living there now. It was like three trees that
<v Speaker 1>grew or three trees that grew out of one, and
<v Speaker 1>one of the three trees was cut was cut down,
<v Speaker 1>and the stump was big enough that you could park
<v Speaker 1>a truck on it. So this sear tree was massive, massive,
<v Speaker 1>and that's where there was the creek came out of
<v Speaker 1>the ground. The water came out of the ground just
<v Speaker 1>a little a little ways. I guess it would be
<v Speaker 1>northwest of there, and the water just float out of
<v Speaker 1>the ground and came down the hill and through the pasture,
<v Speaker 1>and that was where the creek started. But he just
<v Speaker 1>told me just stay away from that area. A lot
<v Speaker 1>of wildlife out there, and then at this point I'd
<v Speaker 1>already already chased. I don't know how many black bears
<v Speaker 1>up trees with a stick. Black black bears. There's no
<v Speaker 1>reason to be afraid of a black bear. There weren't
<v Speaker 1>many grizzly bears down there very often. There might have
<v Speaker 1>been big cats down there, I don't, I don't, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I never seen any prants or any sign
<v Speaker 1>of big cats. But he just said stay away from
<v Speaker 1>the big which is kind of on the north northwest
<v Speaker 1>edge of the property.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would think if there was big cats,
<v Speaker 2>he would have said, there's big cats down here there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there were big cats, he would have been
<v Speaker 1>all after getting rid of them, because they would take
<v Speaker 1>down a calf. The grizzly bear would take down a calf.
<v Speaker 1>But he's never never concerned about that. A black bear
<v Speaker 1>is not gonna bother livestock. I've seen a couple of
<v Speaker 1>moose out there on occasion, but that was no huge concern.
<v Speaker 1>I can just stay the hell away from him because
<v Speaker 1>those things canna be meaner in hell? Was it an
<v Speaker 1>habituation site? It adds up to that. You know, my aunt,
<v Speaker 1>who was stuck in the house all her life, knew
<v Speaker 1>they were out there or something was out there. My
<v Speaker 1>uncle didn't talk about Mark because I think he was
<v Speaker 1>afraid of coming across crazy.
<v Speaker 2>Did your parents ever say anything about it?
<v Speaker 1>The funny thing is is about I don't know how
<v Speaker 1>long it was. My dad came and got me and
<v Speaker 1>the PG film was on TV, and he says, come
<v Speaker 1>out and look at this. Look at this? Is that
<v Speaker 1>what you've seen up at uncles? And I was like, not, really,
<v Speaker 1>that looks pretty madd and nappy looking. What I seen
<v Speaker 1>was really really well groomed. I mean it's it's an
<v Speaker 1>upright human shaped thing covered in fur. That's as far
<v Speaker 1>as I can go with it. Yeah, the head neck
<v Speaker 1>shoulder relation was about the same. And the first thing
<v Speaker 1>I seen it was big. It had really really smooth
<v Speaker 1>all of skin. It looked like the size of basketball
<v Speaker 1>player but a little heavier, a little more heavily muscled,
<v Speaker 1>but not bodybuilder heavily muscled. The arms were like, if
<v Speaker 1>I stand up, my wrists come to just just below
<v Speaker 1>my waist. It's probably fifteen maybe twenty percent longer. They didn't.
<v Speaker 1>The hands didn't come down to the knees. The one
<v Speaker 1>hand was kind of on a tree, and the other
<v Speaker 1>one was kind of by a side. It was. It
<v Speaker 1>was longer, but not grotesquely longer in proportion.
<v Speaker 2>How makes Yeah? How much of it could you see?
<v Speaker 2>Was it perfectly out in the clear or was it
<v Speaker 2>behind brush?
<v Speaker 1>The whole thing there was the only part that I
<v Speaker 1>couldn't see is the right arm that was behind the tree.
<v Speaker 1>And the tree was probably six maybe inches in diameter.
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't very big, full full frontal thing was it that
<v Speaker 1>stuck out? This is this is gonna sound kind of stupid.
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure if it was a boy or a
<v Speaker 1>girl because it's boy parts didn't look like my boy parts,
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't It probably wasn't for a couple of
<v Speaker 1>years later that I figured out what a circumcision was,
<v Speaker 1>and then it made sense. No, wonder his boy parts
<v Speaker 1>didn't look like my boy parts.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the one hell of a way to learn
<v Speaker 2>about that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, Yeah, I just uh, like I said, for
<v Speaker 1>years and years and years. It was stuck in my mind.
<v Speaker 1>That was a feral person. It just covering hair, no clothes. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's not a human being. Looked like a human being,
<v Speaker 1>shaped like a human being, and the facial structure of
<v Speaker 1>a human being. The mouth seemed the mouth seemed really
<v Speaker 1>really wide. Like if you too, like a snap shot
<v Speaker 1>of my face or your face, from the edge of
<v Speaker 1>your mouth to the edge of your mouth is always, say,
<v Speaker 1>thirty percent the width of your face or twenty percent
<v Speaker 1>the width of your face. The mouth of this sting
<v Speaker 1>was probably twice as wide in relation to its head.
<v Speaker 2>Other than the flinch from the mosquito or whatever happened,
<v Speaker 2>did it move at all?
<v Speaker 1>No, it was it was looking at me like like somebody,
<v Speaker 1>Like when you see a basket full of puppies or
<v Speaker 1>you see a new baby, you just look at it
<v Speaker 1>and go oh. That was the vibe I got from it.
<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind, I'm ten years old. There's all kinds
<v Speaker 1>of weird things going through my head. I'd never never
<v Speaker 1>heard of bigfoot, didn't know what you know, vulnerable snowman
<v Speaker 1>or the yetty AT's supposed to be covered white and
<v Speaker 1>and nothing in the Arctic, yeah, or nowhere near there.
<v Speaker 1>Never seen uh had never, hadn't seen that the Patterson
<v Speaker 1>Gimlan film. Hadn't heard anything about, you know, Bigfoot. Wasn't
<v Speaker 1>a TV watcher.
<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned the faral person thing. You had heard
<v Speaker 2>stories of feral people. I've met feral people.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow. So and they were they were sketchy. Uh So,
<v Speaker 1>like I said, the only time, and my dad didn't drink.
<v Speaker 1>When we were out in the mountains, we'd go, we'd
<v Speaker 1>go backpacking or hiking more than a hike, because sometimes
<v Speaker 1>we be gone seven ten days, you know, just trapes.
<v Speaker 1>And I looked back at the area and it was
<v Speaker 1>it was that area is infested with grizzly bears and
<v Speaker 1>mountain lions. That it's a and I'm a young kid.
<v Speaker 1>My dad had an had his hands full making sure
<v Speaker 1>I was safe, but he was also teaching me, you know,
<v Speaker 1>look for stuff that doesn't look right, you know. But
<v Speaker 1>we'd backpacked through the mountains of the above northern Idaho,
<v Speaker 1>and there was a gentleman that was staying in a
<v Speaker 1>camper on the back of an old chemmy truck up
<v Speaker 1>near the continental line in northern Idaho, and we were
<v Speaker 1>up there talking to him. Memory serves me right. His
<v Speaker 1>name was Tom. Anybody that lives up in northern Idaho
<v Speaker 1>probably knows who I'm talking about, and I probably have
<v Speaker 1>his name wrong, but at one point he didn't check in.
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's about fifteen years ago, and they sent
<v Speaker 1>a search party out looking for him and they found
<v Speaker 1>him deceased. But we were talking to miss Gentleman, and
<v Speaker 1>he kind of informed my dad or kind of let
<v Speaker 1>him know that, Hey, there's people that live out this direction,
<v Speaker 1>and there's people out there that they're out there and
<v Speaker 1>they just, you know, like my dad, they couldn't cope
<v Speaker 1>or my dad kind of coached with other people being
<v Speaker 1>in the city, that's where they felt safe, was out
<v Speaker 1>in the woods, living off the land because they came
<v Speaker 1>back from I just got the feeling there were guys
<v Speaker 1>that came back from Vietnam that just couldn't process, They
<v Speaker 1>couldn't turn the switch off and live in society. And
<v Speaker 1>you know, in our in our travels, we'd met a
<v Speaker 1>few of them, and they're real sneaky. And my dad
<v Speaker 1>was he was he had a keen eye for things
<v Speaker 1>that you know, weren't right. And we'd come across a
<v Speaker 1>few of them, and they're really standoffish, really guarded. You know,
<v Speaker 1>we're talking to one, there's probably two others looking at
<v Speaker 1>us from behind a tree or up in a tree
<v Speaker 1>or wherever. But they were just guys that had a
<v Speaker 1>hard time getting along. In fact, a couple. I guess
<v Speaker 1>it's about two years years ago. My son, his girlfriend,
<v Speaker 1>my wife and I. We were at a kind of
<v Speaker 1>a high mountain lake just I guess it would be
<v Speaker 1>about sixty miles south of Gypsy Meadow, and there was
<v Speaker 1>still snow on the ground. Our tracks were the first
<v Speaker 1>ones in the snow. There was no other vehicles up there.
<v Speaker 1>And we're walking around the back edge of this lake
<v Speaker 1>that we frequent all the time. And I catched something
<v Speaker 1>out of the corner of my eye and I verbally
<v Speaker 1>let out, hey, you got four armed dolls. You don't
<v Speaker 1>want to spook any of us. Let us know where
<v Speaker 1>you're at. And I hear this voice just working on
<v Speaker 1>my camp back here in the draw. Never seen him,
<v Speaker 1>never talk to him, but I caught something moving out
<v Speaker 1>of the corner of my eye let that out. Let
<v Speaker 1>him know, Hey, you got four armed adults here, you
<v Speaker 1>don't want to spook anybody, You let us know he
<v Speaker 1>was there. There's no vehicles up there, there were no
<v Speaker 1>tracks from other vehicles nothing. He'd been up there a while. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and that was just a couple of years ago, is
<v Speaker 1>it somebody tried to evade the lab Maybe you know,
<v Speaker 1>you hear about that all the time. But I just
<v Speaker 1>letting him know. We're we're out here. We're not, you know,
<v Speaker 1>gonna master here or anything. We're just enjoying the outdoors.
<v Speaker 2>So how did you come to the conclusion that what
<v Speaker 2>you had seen was a bigfoot on.
<v Speaker 1>My uncle's ranch after years and years and years are
<v Speaker 1>going I know there's feral people out here, and this
<v Speaker 1>looked like a human being, And uh, it just made sense.
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't wearing clothes. He was covered in hair. If
<v Speaker 1>he was wearing clothes things, it would have been more uniform.
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have seen thin hair spots under its arms
<v Speaker 1>where its arms rubbed against its body, between its thighs.
<v Speaker 1>It was he was not he was covered in hair.
<v Speaker 1>They were not closed. But the face, the eyes, the nose,
<v Speaker 1>the brow ridge. I was a freaking man. That was
<v Speaker 1>that was screamed human being at the top of its
<v Speaker 1>lungs that that was. It looked like a man, but
<v Speaker 1>like I say, foot and foot and a half taller
<v Speaker 1>than my dad. My dad was six foot. My dad
<v Speaker 1>was six foot and probably two hundred and thirty five pounds.
<v Speaker 1>He he he drove truck and delivered swinging beef, so
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't a partly two hundred and thirty five pounds.
<v Speaker 1>He was a solid two hundred and thirty five pounds.
<v Speaker 1>And this was alfagain wider foot and a half taller.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get a side view, but it looked like
<v Speaker 1>the depth of its upper torso was much deeper than
<v Speaker 1>my dad's chest, so it could have easily been four
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty five hundred pounds and probably probably seven
<v Speaker 1>foot at least seven foot. I wrestled with that for you.
<v Speaker 1>I started listening to podcasts and hearing other people's listening
<v Speaker 1>to other people's accounts, and it was always in the
<v Speaker 1>back of my mind that, yeah, I probably saw a bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>but I know there's feral people up in the woods. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>When my kids were little, and I've got six kids, so, yes,
<v Speaker 1>we had a suburban and we didn't always have a
<v Speaker 1>lot of money, but I always took my kids camping
<v Speaker 1>up at Sullivan Lake or or Granite Creek or the
<v Speaker 1>Shoe Tree in northern Idaho. We'd go up. That's spend
<v Speaker 1>time with your kids. What's the cheapest thing you could do,
<v Speaker 1>go camping. Bacon and potatoes for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
<v Speaker 1>But I'd tell my kids about what I've seen and
<v Speaker 1>tell them that yeah, we're out here camping, but we're
<v Speaker 1>we're actually a big foot. Now they're all snicker at
<v Speaker 1>me and like, yeah, her dad, okay. But they never
<v Speaker 1>they questioned it because they had never seen anything. And
<v Speaker 1>the last couple of years I've taken a different direction
<v Speaker 1>as far as trying to make contact. He's kind of
<v Speaker 1>a little unorthodox. The wood knocking thing. I think it's
<v Speaker 1>them just going with their lips or something. It's it's
<v Speaker 1>the sound is always the same. And if you carry
<v Speaker 1>around like a little a baseball bat with you and
<v Speaker 1>you walk through the woods and you hit different trees,
<v Speaker 1>it's never going to sound the same. It's always it's
<v Speaker 1>always going to be different. So it has there has
<v Speaker 1>to be sound that they're making with their own physical body.
<v Speaker 1>That that's that's what I believe, you know, I don't
<v Speaker 1>know I've never seen him make the sound. I've heard it.
<v Speaker 1>I've heard it more times than I can count. That Geah.
<v Speaker 1>There was one one trip where we went to the
<v Speaker 1>lake where I was telling you that we were walking around,
<v Speaker 1>I hollered at the guy. We were God. It was
<v Speaker 1>Father's Day of twenty sixteen. We found my middle daughter.
<v Speaker 1>I found a footprint on the side of the road,
<v Speaker 1>on the side of the hill, and I would be
<v Speaker 1>looking for that freaking picture, and it was. It was
<v Speaker 1>a four toed footprint and we laid a three to
<v Speaker 1>eight shell casing inside the big toe. Jeez, And the
<v Speaker 1>thing was this was you know, And that was the
<v Speaker 1>first I didn't think they would be close to town.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't because it was not it's it's not, oh
<v Speaker 1>about it six eight miles maybe ten miles outside of Newport, Washington.
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at looking at it on Google Maps right now,
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, there's a lot of vast forests out there.
<v Speaker 1>Something could hide out there pretty easy. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>why I would think there wouldn't be something out there.
<v Speaker 1>How the crow flies. It's only about ten miles where
<v Speaker 1>my uncle's ranch was, so it makes sense. But my
<v Speaker 1>daughter spotted this footprint on the upper side of the
<v Speaker 1>the kind of a cut bank where the road was
<v Speaker 1>put in, and it was probably not quite four foot
<v Speaker 1>almost four foot from the level of the road where
<v Speaker 1>you could tell something it put its foot into this
<v Speaker 1>dirt or gravel. It was really hard packed stuff, and
<v Speaker 1>you can see four clear toe prints. Then if you
<v Speaker 1>look up you can see another another four foot further
<v Speaker 1>up the hill. There was another spot where it looked
<v Speaker 1>like something had taken another step, but it was steep enough.
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't crawl up there on my hands and knees.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I did not weigh enough to be able
<v Speaker 1>to put my foot into the into the dirt and
<v Speaker 1>make enough of a dibbit divot to get traction to
<v Speaker 1>climb up. So whatever it was walked up a very
<v Speaker 1>very very steep, very packed grade straight up this hill.
<v Speaker 1>It makes sense. How do you get how do you
<v Speaker 1>avoid detection? Don't take the same path that human being
<v Speaker 1>would take. People are, for the most part lazy. They're
<v Speaker 1>gonna take the easiest way to get anywhere, and this
<v Speaker 1>was by far not the easiest way to get to
<v Speaker 1>the top of that hill.
<v Speaker 2>And on two legs and no signs of using its
<v Speaker 2>hands or anything.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no signs of using its hands at all. It
<v Speaker 1>had just rained and you could see where it had
<v Speaker 1>pushed through with its with its toes. You could see
<v Speaker 1>the layer of wet soil, then a layer of dry soil,
<v Speaker 1>and then where it had pushed down with its toes,
<v Speaker 1>it made a little pad to put its weight on. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it looked like it just looked like two feet going up.
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't able to crawl up the hill and investigate
<v Speaker 1>any further. But that was the point where I think
<v Speaker 1>I had five of the six kids with me at
<v Speaker 1>that point. That was the point where my kids were like, Wow,
<v Speaker 1>maybe Dad's not full of shit. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>You also had like a road crossing siding, didn't you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That terrified the hell on me. When did that happen?
<v Speaker 1>Twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, so pretty reason. Yeah, And it
<v Speaker 1>was over in Montana. It was late at night, and
<v Speaker 1>there's a stretch of road that goes from one town
<v Speaker 1>to the next. It's about one hundred miles and if
<v Speaker 1>you get out of the once you leave one town
<v Speaker 1>heading to the next, you got sale service for about
<v Speaker 1>four miles, and other than that no cell service, which
<v Speaker 1>prompt to be investnis half on at it's time, I
<v Speaker 1>was driving my I had new Kenworth that I was
<v Speaker 1>driving nice truck and it was knowing and I'm guessing
<v Speaker 1>my load. I was probably scaling just under ninety pounds,
<v Speaker 1>so I was pretty heavy. I had some traction. It
<v Speaker 1>was snowing, sleeping in slushing, the roads were slick, and
<v Speaker 1>I am just outside of cell service and I'm I'm
<v Speaker 1>going slope is kind of a downhill right hand sweeper.
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking from my fog lights to my low beams,
<v Speaker 1>to my high beams, to all of them, just trying
<v Speaker 1>to figure out what's going to give me best visibility.
<v Speaker 1>Not moving very damn fast, and the engine break isn't
<v Speaker 1>making any noise. The engine's not making any noise. I'm
<v Speaker 1>just more or less coasting nice and easy. And I
<v Speaker 1>see something stand up as I flick on all my lights,
<v Speaker 1>I see something stand up on the right side of
<v Speaker 1>the road. Turn around and try to start to climb
<v Speaker 1>the cutbank where they cut through this hill to make
<v Speaker 1>the road, and the right arm goes up and it's
<v Speaker 1>going under the snow because I see snow rolling off
<v Speaker 1>the shoulder and the arm right leg goes up like
<v Speaker 1>it's going to take a step. It's grabbing something with
<v Speaker 1>it's right hand to pull itself up. It's right leg
<v Speaker 1>goes up. I see snow come off the top of
<v Speaker 1>the thigh on the right leg, and its left leg
<v Speaker 1>is still in the bottom of the drainage skitch on
<v Speaker 1>the side of the road. And there's snow on the
<v Speaker 1>road and you stand on snow. It adds to your
<v Speaker 1>I get all that. I'm going through my mind. What
<v Speaker 1>is this? This was the largest creature I had ever
<v Speaker 1>seen out in the wild. Probably not just that. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I've seen whales, but that that doesn't count. This thing
<v Speaker 1>was so massive. The shoulders. If I said, I'm looking
<v Speaker 1>at my computer screens, and my computer screens britched edge
<v Speaker 1>is five foot it was. It was probably wider than that,
<v Speaker 1>from shoulder to shoulder. The depth of the chest was
<v Speaker 1>its chest was so deep because if the chest was
<v Speaker 1>up against the snow like it was trying to climb up,
<v Speaker 1>and its back was probably three and a half I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it was probably three and a half feet deep. Jeez,
<v Speaker 1>I got freaking goosebumps. I was. I was like, that
<v Speaker 1>was the only time I was I was genuinely scared.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what this was. If if that thing
<v Speaker 1>so chose to go after you or me or anybody,
<v Speaker 1>there ain't nothing that could stop it. If you're locked
<v Speaker 1>in your car and it ain't gonna stat wouldn't stop it.
<v Speaker 1>If you're locked in your house, that ain't gonna stop it.
<v Speaker 1>If it's if it had a nefarious intentions, You're done.
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not moving merry damn fast. And my eyesight,
<v Speaker 1>my eyeline is about nine feet when I'm sitting in
<v Speaker 1>my about nine feet off the ground. I'm sitting in
<v Speaker 1>that can work, and I rolled by it, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>staring at it out my passenger's window, which, by the way,
<v Speaker 1>if you're driving in the snow and you get ninety
<v Speaker 1>thousand pals you're trying to control, you need to watch
<v Speaker 1>the road.
<v Speaker 5>Staring at this thing out as it I drive past it,
<v Speaker 5>and the top of its shoulders were higher than the
<v Speaker 5>top edge of the window on my truck because I
<v Speaker 5>could not see its head when I drove by.
<v Speaker 1>It was above.
<v Speaker 6>The window frame on the passenger side of my truck.
<v Speaker 6>And it's standing in a drainage ditch on the side of.
<v Speaker 1>The road, which I went onto the next town just
<v Speaker 1>completely spun ducky woooed. I made my delivery, I went,
<v Speaker 1>I got a hotel, I ordered a a camera. I
<v Speaker 1>got bought a really nice garment dash camera that night
<v Speaker 1>because if I will ever see anything like that again,
<v Speaker 1>I wanted it on video. That's what started the Hey,
<v Speaker 1>maybe you should take pictures. Yeah. On the way back,
<v Speaker 1>I stopped and I was looking, and it had turned
<v Speaker 1>the rain and slush and plows had gone by, and
<v Speaker 1>there was you could see something that was pressed up
<v Speaker 1>against the side of the hill. And after I would
<v Speaker 1>buy I don't know what it did, but it didn't
<v Speaker 1>go up up the hill. But my guess from the
<v Speaker 1>road to the bottom of the drainage ditch on the
<v Speaker 1>side of the road was anywhere from twenty four to
<v Speaker 1>thirty six inches. So wherever this was that was was
<v Speaker 1>standing solid on its left foot with its right foot
<v Speaker 1>up was twenty four to thirty six inches below the
<v Speaker 1>road line. The level of the road. Yeah, this thing
<v Speaker 1>had to be, you know, go on the shy side
<v Speaker 1>twenty four inches. Put it to my eye, I you know,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking out my passenger's window. My eyes eye
<v Speaker 1>lines about nine feet the top of the edge of
<v Speaker 1>the windows, probably a couple inches high. So I'm looking up,
<v Speaker 1>but just say I'm looking level and go on the
<v Speaker 1>low end of the measurement that puts this thing at
<v Speaker 1>eleven feet tall. Yeah, and it it was, It was,
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was just that was a very life
<v Speaker 1>changing moment, even though it was just that it was
<v Speaker 1>just to drive by it.
<v Speaker 2>And you couldn't see its head head was above.
<v Speaker 1>It was blocked out by the top of the doorframe
<v Speaker 1>or the window passenger's door, so you know, on the
<v Speaker 1>shy side. It was eleven foot tall, which I I
<v Speaker 1>to me, it just sounds absurd, absolutely absurd, but it
<v Speaker 1>was there.
<v Speaker 7>Its chest was so sick, it was so massive, just massive.
<v Speaker 1>But it stood up. It turned and it was looked
<v Speaker 1>like it was about to scurry up this this hill
<v Speaker 1>and it just froze. It just stopped moving it.
<v Speaker 2>Until I went by. Could you tell what color it was?
<v Speaker 1>This dark brown? It could have been black, It could
<v Speaker 1>have been centnamen. I'm leaning more toward dark brown. It
<v Speaker 1>was a dark color. It wasn't black black, yeah, but
<v Speaker 1>it was dark.
<v Speaker 2>Any glimpse of like eyes or eyeshine or anything like
<v Speaker 2>that as it moved.
<v Speaker 1>Nope, it uh, I'm coming up on it. It was
<v Speaker 1>it was hunched down like facing the road. It kind
<v Speaker 1>of stood up and as it pivoted towards the right
<v Speaker 1>and started up the hill, so it's its back was
<v Speaker 1>to me the whole time, just beside you. I got
<v Speaker 1>though of how deep its chest was. Was like, if
<v Speaker 1>if you hadn't put this this creature or what I
<v Speaker 1>seen up against the bull moose, a bull moose would
<v Speaker 1>be in trouble. And that says a lot because bull
<v Speaker 1>moose are freaking huge and they can be nasty. This
<v Speaker 1>thing was just the size and the power, the aura
<v Speaker 1>of power that it just it was terrifying. I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>semi truck going down the road and I'm thinking, oh
<v Speaker 1>shit outy, if this thing wants me, I'm dust. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>if if it wanted me, it would have been all over.
<v Speaker 1>They didn't. It was just doing it. Then.
<v Speaker 2>Now you and I talked about this. You've got a
<v Speaker 2>pretty interesting theory about roadside sidings like that. Would you
<v Speaker 2>mind sharing that?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So two weeks before I seen this this creature
<v Speaker 1>on the side of the road, I was about three
<v Speaker 1>quarters of a mile further down the road and it's snowing,
<v Speaker 1>it's slushy. It's visibility isn't really good. I see ice
<v Speaker 1>trying the deer. Beautiful, beautiful animal standing on the other
<v Speaker 1>side of the guardrail. I'm not too concerned. He's looking
<v Speaker 1>right at me. I'm creeping along. All of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>it was like it snapped his head back, like something swatted,
<v Speaker 1>swatted it in the ass, or spooped it from behind.
<v Speaker 1>He out of his head, looking back. He jumps over
<v Speaker 1>the guardrail and spam. I smack him. I feel and
<v Speaker 1>roll under every tire on my truck. He is dead.
<v Speaker 1>I get out and I got one of those little
<v Speaker 1>tack lights that you can zoom in and out to
<v Speaker 1>a pinpoint. I get out, and I'm gonna check my airlines,
<v Speaker 1>because you know there's no cell service out there. That's
<v Speaker 1>not where you want to get stuck. I'm gonna move
<v Speaker 1>the carcass off the road. To the next car coming
<v Speaker 1>down the road isn't gonna have to swerve. You know,
<v Speaker 1>it's a slick road. You don't want anybody to get
<v Speaker 1>in the wreck. So I get out of my truck.
<v Speaker 1>I assume my little light to a pinpoint. I see
<v Speaker 1>the carcass on the ground behind the chart a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>I get out, I walk around to the front. I
<v Speaker 1>inspect the headlight that's busted up. I proceeded to walk
<v Speaker 1>back around, walk the length of the truck, checking my airlines,
<v Speaker 1>making sure everything's intact. I'm not gonna have any problems.
<v Speaker 1>And I go to grab the steer to move it
<v Speaker 1>off the side of the road, and it is gone.
<v Speaker 1>There are in trails on the road. I killed it.
<v Speaker 1>It didn't get up and wander off, but it is gone.
<v Speaker 1>There's no tracks, no nothing, no blood trail, no, no
<v Speaker 1>blood trail, nothing. Something swooped it up and it is gone.
<v Speaker 1>And I've had a mountain line dart across in front
<v Speaker 1>of my truck to get a deer that was dazed
<v Speaker 1>by the headlight headlights. I have heard stories on this
<v Speaker 1>stretch of road that the bears will pick up carcasses,
<v Speaker 1>which there's grizzly bears up there. It's not uncommon to
<v Speaker 1>have a grizzly bear walk through the middle of town.
<v Speaker 1>The bear should have been asleep by this time. Mountain lion.
<v Speaker 1>Mountain lion, they're big, powerful animals. Could have carried it off.
<v Speaker 1>A bunch of things, just rational things could explain this
<v Speaker 1>deer disappearing. But then two weeks later, I see, you know,
<v Speaker 1>three quarters of a mile half mile before that, I
<v Speaker 1>see this creature. So I've done a lot of pack
<v Speaker 1>backpacking way way way out in the woods where there
<v Speaker 1>are no human beings, and I don't see as much
<v Speaker 1>wildlife out there. I see the wildlife closer to population.
<v Speaker 1>You know, farmers they feed their goats and ducks and
<v Speaker 1>cattle and stuff the same thing that a deer or
<v Speaker 1>elk or sometimes even moose would eat. So that's going
<v Speaker 1>to bring wildlife in closer to people. People are wasteful
<v Speaker 1>and slobs, so it would make sense you're going to
<v Speaker 1>be near where the food is more readily available. Sure,
<v Speaker 1>so that might suggest the sasquash or bigfoot is going
<v Speaker 1>to be in closer to where human beings are, but
<v Speaker 1>still far enough out that they can, you know, have
<v Speaker 1>their space, but they can get in closer to where
<v Speaker 1>people are. Like this stretch of road, it's not uncommon
<v Speaker 1>between the two towns to see fifteen blood splatters all
<v Speaker 1>over the highway and no carcass. So are the bears
<v Speaker 1>picking it up or is it a big foot picking
<v Speaker 1>it up? It makes sense the bear would pick it up.
<v Speaker 1>That's the logical thing. But what had happened in those
<v Speaker 1>two weeks. It suggests that there might be a symbiotic
<v Speaker 1>relationship between human beings and bigfoot. If you were to
<v Speaker 1>hang out near that road and pick up roadkill, it
<v Speaker 1>would classify them as a super scavenger. I've heard stories
<v Speaker 1>about people catching them digging through garbage. If they lived
<v Speaker 1>most places did I have hiked? It would be a
<v Speaker 1>maybe on the far stretch, a ten mile hike to
<v Speaker 1>a farm, a hobby farm, or some type of dwelling
<v Speaker 1>where they have goats or sheep or cattle or emuse
<v Speaker 1>or whatever people decide to raise. That's an easy food source.
<v Speaker 1>I can live. I can live what most people would
<v Speaker 1>call way out in the woods where nobody could find me,
<v Speaker 1>and still be within a day hike of somebody's farm.
<v Speaker 1>Just scroup up a farm animal, or diet through a
<v Speaker 1>feed bag or you know whatever to keep myself sustained.
<v Speaker 1>So do we have a symbiotic relationship with bigfoot? I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. It's a possibility.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if the natural wildlife bears, mountain lions, et
<v Speaker 2>cetera have figured out how to use vehicles and roadways
<v Speaker 2>as a food source. Then yeah, it just stands to
<v Speaker 2>reason that if they're doing it, that a bigfoot would
<v Speaker 2>be doing it too. And I can't count the number
<v Speaker 2>of stories I've heard about bigfoot raiding dumpsters, raiding garbage cans,
<v Speaker 2>coming onto farm property, in stilling the animal feed. It's
<v Speaker 2>a pretty common thing, at least in this part of
<v Speaker 2>the country, So I would definitely agree with that. I
<v Speaker 2>think the idea of a sasquatch spooking an animal to
<v Speaker 2>have it intentionally get hit by a vehicle as an
<v Speaker 2>easy kill. I mean, that's really clever, but these things
<v Speaker 2>are super intelligent. I just find it really interesting trying.
<v Speaker 1>To not be seen. I had the arperdy that hit
<v Speaker 1>a deer in the ass, so we jumped in front
<v Speaker 1>of a truck. I'd do it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like we are talking about, it takes. It's a
<v Speaker 2>lot less expenditure of Calori used to be a scavenger.
<v Speaker 2>You originally reached out to me because you had heard
<v Speaker 2>us talking on a couple episodes about a place called
<v Speaker 2>Gypsy Meadows, which is an area that is becoming, or
<v Speaker 2>maybe it already is sort of one of those bigfoot
<v Speaker 2>hotspots that bigfooters like to go to. It's becoming pretty
<v Speaker 2>well known. I think at this point multiple people know
<v Speaker 2>about it at least. But you have some experience there
<v Speaker 2>that you were talking about.
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of experience up in good Semido.
<v Speaker 1>Is there Bigfoot up there? I believe so. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>there's no definitives in this, but I believe so. I've
<v Speaker 1>had experiences up there that line up with big Foot.
<v Speaker 1>Last August, I just needed to get away, so I
<v Speaker 1>went up there with my two dogs, Bentley and bella
<v Speaker 1>middle of the week. On the weekends, starting Friday morning,
<v Speaker 1>people will drive up there, put ten steps to reserve
<v Speaker 1>camp spots. I am. I am intimately familiar with, oh,
<v Speaker 1>that whole entire area. Like I say, when I was younger,
<v Speaker 1>my dad and I used to go back back and
<v Speaker 1>we would pack through there. Anyway, last I guess I'm
<v Speaker 1>up there. It's uh it's civil twilight, and I'm I'm
<v Speaker 1>laying in my camp and uh, my female is laying
<v Speaker 1>next to me, and my male is laying outside the
<v Speaker 1>tent on the ground, and I'm hearing uh hey, and
<v Speaker 1>there's there's there was one car of Egypsy Medeu nos
<v Speaker 1>let me, let me clarify where I was at. There
<v Speaker 1>was one car up at Tipsy Meadows and my dogs
<v Speaker 1>with me, so I elected not to be there. My
<v Speaker 1>dogs can spook people. Sometimes I will stay down at
<v Speaker 1>Campsite sixteen, which is two miles south of Gypsy Meadows.
<v Speaker 1>It's where two creeks come in and they merge and
<v Speaker 1>the parking area. Get your vehicle way off the road.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm laying there and I hear like and it
<v Speaker 1>could have been just the water, could have been me
<v Speaker 1>wishful thinking. I hear what sounds like, you know, a
<v Speaker 1>chatter of something. But then all of a sudden, my
<v Speaker 1>female gets really tense and she starts to rumble. Now,
<v Speaker 1>my female, she's my dogs are masked IFFs. My female's
<v Speaker 1>about two hundred and twenty five two hundred and thirty pounds,
<v Speaker 1>So when she starts to rumble at so, I sit up.
<v Speaker 1>I don't have the rainfly on my cat. This beautiful
<v Speaker 1>summer night. I sit up and I see a mountain
<v Speaker 1>lion come from across the road down around behind my jeep,
<v Speaker 1>coming coming toward the camp walks around a tree and
<v Speaker 1>stops when it sees my male. It's stretched out completely
<v Speaker 1>oblivious to everything. I pull my side arm, I rack around.
<v Speaker 1>I put around into the tree next to this mountain
<v Speaker 1>lion's head fifteen feet away, and this mountain lion doesn't
<v Speaker 1>even flinch. And at first, when I seen this animal
<v Speaker 1>walk by my jeep, I thought it was my mail,
<v Speaker 1>But then I thought no, No, it's a little bit
<v Speaker 1>bigger than my mail. And my male's about one hundred
<v Speaker 1>and eighty five pounds, not quite as big as my female,
<v Speaker 1>and it's got a long tail. Oh, it's mountain lion.
<v Speaker 1>So it was a big cat.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean big fur around here.
<v Speaker 1>So I drill around out of a ten milimeter. Ten
<v Speaker 1>milimeter makes a little bit of noise. I mean it'll
<v Speaker 1>make your ear swring. It goes into the side of
<v Speaker 1>this tree fifteen feet away from me. Cat doesn't even flinch.
<v Speaker 1>I put another round into the tree. And this is
<v Speaker 1>the point where I made the decision. If it takes
<v Speaker 1>a step further, I'm gonna be the douchebag that kills
<v Speaker 1>the cat. But it hits the tree, a piece of
<v Speaker 1>bark flies off, hits the side of the cat's face,
<v Speaker 1>and it flinches. As soon as there is a little
<v Speaker 1>bit of movement. My female locks onto it. She gets
<v Speaker 1>up and she's after it like gangbusters, and it takes off.
<v Speaker 1>I want to say it took off. It ran as
<v Speaker 1>far as it could. More likely it was fifty feet
<v Speaker 1>from me, up in a tree, looking down, going, WHOA,
<v Speaker 1>what the heck was that? But the fact that a
<v Speaker 1>cat it's not afraid to come into your camp. It's
<v Speaker 1>not stooped by the noise of a firearm, it's not
<v Speaker 1>bothered by well, four hundred pounds of freaking canine. That's
<v Speaker 1>a dangerous cat. Yeah, so it was. It was a
<v Speaker 1>watchful evening. I loaded stuff up, we went down the
<v Speaker 1>road a little bit further. I called the ranger station
<v Speaker 1>and reported this cat's behavior. And I wish I could
<v Speaker 1>remember the guy's name I talked to, but he called
<v Speaker 1>me back and he wanted to know exactly where it was,
<v Speaker 1>at what time of day, exactly what happened. We went
<v Speaker 1>through all that, and he said, it is not uncommon,
<v Speaker 1>because there is such a crazy explosion and big cat
<v Speaker 1>and the big cat population up there, it is not
<v Speaker 1>uncommon to have a mountain lion just walk through your camp.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's insane. He's had reports of and just
<v Speaker 1>last summer he's had reports of mountain lions walking through camps,
<v Speaker 1>sitting on logs on the other side of the creek
<v Speaker 1>staring at the family pet. So mail lines are using
<v Speaker 1>pretty afraid. If you were you had a small dog,
<v Speaker 1>or if you were a small statured person a female,
<v Speaker 1>and you were out there and you weren't aware, your
<v Speaker 1>life is in jeopardy. You need to be very very
<v Speaker 1>careful up in that area. I don't know how prominent
<v Speaker 1>the grizzly bear population is up there right now. I
<v Speaker 1>know it's been probably three years since I've seen a
<v Speaker 1>live trap for grizzly bears up there, but it, like
<v Speaker 1>I say, three or four years ago, it was not
<v Speaker 1>uncommon to see two or three live traps for grizzly bears.
<v Speaker 1>And it's just like a an eight foot diameter piece
<v Speaker 1>of steel culvert with bars on one side and a
<v Speaker 1>gate on and it's on a trailer. Yeah, so, and
<v Speaker 1>they throw meat in it, and the grizzly bear walks
<v Speaker 1>in and goes ooh lunch, and then the door slamshut
<v Speaker 1>and they relocate it. That used to happen a lot,
<v Speaker 1>a lot up in that area. So there's a grizzly
<v Speaker 1>bear population and in both those both those scenarios could
<v Speaker 1>be dangerous to me. So Jupsy Meadows is how the
<v Speaker 1>crow flies six miles to the Canadian border. There's a
<v Speaker 1>border crossing just north Medeleine Falls, and there's another border
<v Speaker 1>crossing in Port Hill. Medillian Falls to Port Hill, it's
<v Speaker 1>about thirty miles and the Canadian border there's like a
<v Speaker 1>swath cut through the forests. I mean you can physically
<v Speaker 1>see the border. A friend of mine that was in
<v Speaker 1>the reserves was talking about him and some people put
<v Speaker 1>up in that area on the border to take down
<v Speaker 1>tail numbers of airplanes that would turn their esb off
<v Speaker 1>or they're elt that you know, identifies who they are
<v Speaker 1>and where they are. Planes would come in and make
<v Speaker 1>low approaches, drop stuff and take off. So there's some
<v Speaker 1>nefarious human foot traffic coming across the border. Even last
<v Speaker 1>year when I was up there. Last year, I was
<v Speaker 1>the first person to go through the snow up to
<v Speaker 1>Gypsy Meadows. My tracks were the very first ones border patrol.
<v Speaker 1>What is border patrol doing out there? This is what
<v Speaker 1>most people would consider the middle of nowhere. Yet here
<v Speaker 1>comes a bunch of border control agents. So there's stuff
<v Speaker 1>coming across the border from Canada into the United States.
<v Speaker 1>There's back roads, there's fire roads, there's all kinds of
<v Speaker 1>paths to go from the border, come down through Gypsy Meadows,
<v Speaker 1>down around Sullivan Lake and to wherever you want to go.
<v Speaker 1>So there's that aspect because I know that happens up
<v Speaker 1>near Gypsy Meadows. You wouldn't think. You wouldn't think because
<v Speaker 1>you're you're the most people consider out in the middle
<v Speaker 1>of freaking nowhere, super remote, but it's everywhere. I mean, if.
<v Speaker 2>You're doing that sort of activity, you want to go
<v Speaker 2>where it's out in the middle of nowhere where nobody
<v Speaker 2>ever goes. And that's that's the same area as that
<v Speaker 2>bigfooters go to.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so and it's it's happening in that area. I
<v Speaker 1>know border patrol is that they have a presence out there.
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a border crossing this north of Medeleine Falls.
<v Speaker 1>There's one in part Hill, you know, So yeah, there's
<v Speaker 1>gonna be border control agents in the area. But there
<v Speaker 1>are shapes and through the mountains up there. So if
<v Speaker 1>you got somebody coming across the border doing some nefarious stuff,
<v Speaker 1>trying to be sneaky not be seen, it could it
<v Speaker 1>could easily be mistaken for something that it's not.
<v Speaker 2>That's also sneaking around trying not to be seen.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, you run across somebody like that and they're like,
<v Speaker 1>uh oh, that's a dangerous person. That's a dangerous person.
<v Speaker 1>That could that could cause you problems. I carry I
<v Speaker 1>carry a sidearm with me everywhere I go, unless I'm
<v Speaker 1>at work because they prohibit it. But it's not like
<v Speaker 1>up in the woods. It's not the wildlife that I'm
<v Speaker 1>afraid of. It's people. It's people. So that that type
<v Speaker 1>of activity is happening up around Gypsy Meadows. So that's
<v Speaker 1>that's something to keep in mind, keep an eye out
<v Speaker 1>for when you're out in the woods. But by no
<v Speaker 1>means don't stop going out in the woods and exploring.
<v Speaker 1>It's the best thing for anybody.
<v Speaker 2>And I mean not not just that location. I mean
<v Speaker 2>that stuff happens everywhere, uh down here where I'm at.
<v Speaker 1>I mean.
<v Speaker 2>Not so much as it used to be. But I
<v Speaker 2>remember a time whenever meth labs or if you're a
<v Speaker 2>fairly common thing out in the woods, at one point,
<v Speaker 2>you know, you had you still got people doing it.
<v Speaker 2>You get you got stills, you know, moonshine being produced
<v Speaker 2>out in the woods. There's a lot of times whenever
<v Speaker 2>people want to do things that they don't want people
<v Speaker 2>to know they're doing, they go out into the middle
<v Speaker 2>of the woods, out in the middle of nowhere. They
<v Speaker 2>go to remote areas. And these are the same areas
<v Speaker 2>that bigfooters often find themselves.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>And so, like you're saying, not just the wildlife. People
<v Speaker 2>are much more dangerous than wildlife, but everybody needs to
<v Speaker 2>pay attention to their surroundings and do this with a
<v Speaker 2>smart head.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't fancy myself as a big foot researcher
<v Speaker 1>or anything, but it's what I love doing most. Here's
<v Speaker 1>setting this kind of different that you might find interesting.
<v Speaker 1>So I've noticed up near a gypsy meadow in another place.
<v Speaker 8>Back, not not this where, but the where before. I
<v Speaker 8>was up at gypsy Meadows on the tenth of December
<v Speaker 8>and there was less than the foot of snow, the
<v Speaker 8>temperatures were down in the teens, and they noticed I'd
<v Speaker 8>hear this, and then down a little bit further on
<v Speaker 8>the ridge, I'd hear that same case.
<v Speaker 1>It's pop pop pop pop pope. So instead of going
<v Speaker 1>out there and howling or making a call. I've been
<v Speaker 1>doing that, and that seems to I'll hear things in
<v Speaker 1>the brush, I'll hear things moving around, and I don't
<v Speaker 1>know if it's a big foot or what it is.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I haven't seen it, but it seems
<v Speaker 1>like I get activity. So I don't know if the
<v Speaker 1>cadence of that that pop pop pop pop pop is
<v Speaker 1>like a way of saying, hey, I'm here, this is
<v Speaker 1>where I'm at. Does that make any sense.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never heard of that particular cadence before, but
<v Speaker 2>I can say we had a lot of luck whenever
<v Speaker 2>we were able to produce the right cadence. I think
<v Speaker 2>cadence and patterns are very important, and if you get
<v Speaker 2>them wrong, you're kind of screwed.
<v Speaker 1>Another thing that I'm going to try doing, and I've
<v Speaker 1>tried doing that. I don't know if I've had results.
<v Speaker 1>Instead of being out there with super a big un
<v Speaker 1>batch of crazy, instead of being out there with a
<v Speaker 1>binocular or infrared or anything like that, walking around with
<v Speaker 1>a coat on, I am going to strip down, see
<v Speaker 1>my boxers and wear sandals. But if you're up there,
<v Speaker 1>trade would you got a coat on, you got a
<v Speaker 1>hat on? You got this equipment. You're trying to find
<v Speaker 1>stuff you could be perceived as a threat. Right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna try going just the absolute opposite direction. So
<v Speaker 1>if any of your listeners see a slightly overweight, balding
<v Speaker 1>white guy trucking around the woods, you can call me
<v Speaker 1>creeper or whatever you want, but I stop my action.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and the whole, the whole uh making bigfoot calls.
<v Speaker 1>So you hear about you hear about people hearing babies
<v Speaker 1>or women crying. Maybe that's a bigfoot trying to call
<v Speaker 1>a human and humans find that super creepy and ominous.
<v Speaker 1>So see, maybe a bigfoot might find it super creepy
<v Speaker 1>or ominous that we're trying to call it by using
<v Speaker 1>sounds it makes So I'm not gonna do that. I'm
<v Speaker 1>just gonna use that cadence and I'm gonna yell hello,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm a truck around the woods in my boxers
<v Speaker 1>and uh barefoot. I want to see what what results
<v Speaker 1>that that gets me? Yeah, well we not arrested.
<v Speaker 2>Let me know how that works out for you.
<v Speaker 1>You get something, Differences gotta happen, something, differences gotta be done.
<v Speaker 1>That's where I'm going with that. I may have lost
<v Speaker 1>my mind.
<v Speaker 2>If you've had your own running with Bigfoot or something
<v Speaker 2>else you can't explain, you'd like to share your story
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