A TERRIFYING DOGMAN ENCOUNTER | THE CAHOKIA MOUNDS (WE DISPATCHED THE CREATURE!)

<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, and welcome to another Sasquatch Theory podcast. In
<v Speaker 1>this interview, we have Josh from Saint Louis, Missouri, who
<v Speaker 1>had a terrifying dog man encounter near the Kahokia Mounds
<v Speaker 1>in Illinois. The Kahokia Mounds is the site of a
<v Speaker 1>pre Columbia Native American city directly across the Mississippi River
<v Speaker 1>from the present day Saint Louis. The State Archaeology Park
<v Speaker 1>lies in southwestern Illinois between East Saint Louis and Collinsville.
<v Speaker 1>This area of the United States is known for its
<v Speaker 1>high violent crime rate and it's just a dangerous place
<v Speaker 1>to be, especially after dark. The city of Saint Louis
<v Speaker 1>was once known as Mound City and it was built
<v Speaker 1>on top of Native American grounds. It is a very
<v Speaker 1>busy industrial city with a large population and there are
<v Speaker 1>billions of Native American artifacts that are buried below the city.
<v Speaker 1>Could this land possibly be cursed? And it reminds me
<v Speaker 1>of the letter that Alexander sent to his mother saying
<v Speaker 1>that even the dirt in Afghanistan was hostile. He sent
<v Speaker 1>some of the dirt from Afghanistan along with a letter
<v Speaker 1>to his mother and she experienced some violent activity. All
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, people started fighting and they killed each other.
<v Speaker 1>When the European settlers arrived in North America, they drove
<v Speaker 1>the natives off their land and committed horrible crimes against
<v Speaker 1>our fellow man. It is said the natives cursed this land.
<v Speaker 1>People have also claimed to have found giant human skeletons
<v Speaker 1>in remote areas of the United States. Could the cryptid
<v Speaker 1>phenomenon somehow be tied into these mounds and the giant skeletons.
<v Speaker 1>My personal belief and conclusion is a lot of the
<v Speaker 1>paranormal activity that we experience, the cryptid phenomenon and alien
<v Speaker 1>and UFO phenomenon is connected with these mounds and the
<v Speaker 1>giant skeletons. I believe the giants and the cryptids wear
<v Speaker 1>a mistake and they were not planned, and somehow they
<v Speaker 1>are stuck in between two dimensions. Hell was created for
<v Speaker 1>the devil and his angels and for the people who
<v Speaker 1>refuse to follow God and are not granted access to Heaven.
<v Speaker 1>Could it be possible that the giants are stuck in
<v Speaker 1>our dimension and they are not able to go to
<v Speaker 1>Heaven or even Hell. I believe it is possible the
<v Speaker 1>giants are trapped on our plane of existence, and whenever
<v Speaker 1>they died, their bodies did not have a place to go.
<v Speaker 1>I believe this could be an answer, and not a
<v Speaker 1>scientific answer, more of a theory on why people experience
<v Speaker 1>extreme paranormal activity and sometimes run into cryptid creatures. Remember,
<v Speaker 1>people have claimed to see orbs associated with cryptid creatures.
<v Speaker 1>People follow tracks in the snow that just disappear. People
<v Speaker 1>have seen sasquatch that just vanish into thin air. People
<v Speaker 1>claim that whenever you dig in certain areas, strange activity
<v Speaker 1>starts to take place. There are many mysteries that have
<v Speaker 1>never been solved as far as missing people, missing time
<v Speaker 1>for Texas portals, and strange UFO activity taking place underground,
<v Speaker 1>underneath the ocean and in the skies above. The nephilum
<v Speaker 1>and fallen angels gave humans technology back in the day
<v Speaker 1>and you can see evidence of that throughout the world.
<v Speaker 1>In today's time, people claim that the aliens are giving
<v Speaker 1>us technology and this is nothing new. People, this has
<v Speaker 1>been done before, and there is something very dark going on.
<v Speaker 1>And I believe that the giants, the cryptids, the paranormal
<v Speaker 1>and the alien activity is all connected. Is this an
<v Speaker 1>absolute answer, No, But we have to consider that all
<v Speaker 1>the things that are being hidden from us are somehow
<v Speaker 1>connected to each other. All right, enough of my outlandish theories,
<v Speaker 1>and I apologize guys. If you guys can, please like
<v Speaker 1>this video, comment down below and subscribe to the channel.
<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, let's dive straight into Josh's terrifying dog
<v Speaker 1>man encounters near the Kahokia Mounds. All right, Josh, welcome
<v Speaker 1>to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today?
<v Speaker 2>Doing good? Man? Just got off work?
<v Speaker 1>Good deal, Josh, If you would tell me a little
<v Speaker 1>bit about yourself, where you're from, and your dog man
<v Speaker 1>encounter from the very beginning, please all right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm from South City and thirty three. I just
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I grew up out here. I was
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I was a problem child, that's for sure.
<v Speaker 2>So I got I was expelled from school at the
<v Speaker 2>time I linked up. But I had always been like
<v Speaker 2>in martial arts and kickboxing and stuff like that. And
<v Speaker 2>I when I got out of when I got out
<v Speaker 2>of juvenile, I had ran into one of my friends
<v Speaker 2>who I had sparred with. His dad was like a
<v Speaker 2>ten time world kickboxing champion. But they weren't see and
<v Speaker 2>I at the time and all that. So he had
<v Speaker 2>introduced me to a trainer to keep me out of
<v Speaker 2>trouble because I was obviously getting into a lot of trouble.
<v Speaker 2>I was living out of my car and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>My parents kicked me out. It wasn't a good situation.
<v Speaker 2>So I've been training with him and this guy who's
<v Speaker 2>a Bosnian Bosian guy. I guess he was a refugee
<v Speaker 2>or whatever from whenever whenever that happened for Bevo mill
<v Speaker 2>and whatnot. And I was pretty much bombing it out
<v Speaker 2>in Dutchtown. So I met him in March and for cardio,
<v Speaker 2>we would he would take us to Coochia Mounds and
<v Speaker 2>we would run up the mound literally like jog up it.
<v Speaker 2>And like when it first started, I'm not gonna lie,
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't couldn't do it, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>You get halfway up, he struck, throwing up and stuff
<v Speaker 2>like it was. It was rough. But this the encounter
<v Speaker 2>happened in August, so it had been I mean almost
<v Speaker 2>six months, and that was like a warm up to
<v Speaker 2>us at that time. And then he he had one
<v Speaker 2>of them white I guess we call it like a white.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't want to say. I don't
<v Speaker 2>want to say what I'm thinking of my head. Just
<v Speaker 2>I guess like a white utility van, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, with none of the windows or whatever, like
<v Speaker 2>just back windows and front windows. And we'd hop in
<v Speaker 2>that van and then he'd take us down to the
<v Speaker 2>river bank, like off the Mississippi River on the Illinois side,
<v Speaker 2>and we would run down that for about a half
<v Speaker 2>a mile just because like to stay light on. It
<v Speaker 2>was like it was a training regimen where it's like
<v Speaker 2>where you're trying to stay light on your feet, you know,
<v Speaker 2>because if you're a kickboxer, it's not just like boxing.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can't just stand. You have to You're kicking.
<v Speaker 2>You're doing all kinds of different stuff. You're blocking kicks.
<v Speaker 2>It's a different it's a different beast, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean. So we got to that part. We're already exhausted.
<v Speaker 2>It was, I mean, Missouri in August, anybody knows or ellanois.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're just right across the river, same thing,
<v Speaker 2>Missouri in August. It's humid, it's nasty, it's sticky. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's just awful. And we had already we'd had some
<v Speaker 2>kind of messed up experiences out there where you know,
<v Speaker 2>we got there was a homeless camp of people where
<v Speaker 2>they tried to attack us one time, and then you know,
<v Speaker 2>packs of wild dogs were out there. There was a
<v Speaker 2>lot of different just that we ran across the body
<v Speaker 2>that was like hitting the river bank and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>So the guy that was training us, he he always
<v Speaker 2>carried like he always had a shotgun in his van
<v Speaker 2>that was there's a pump action shotgun, you know, that
<v Speaker 2>he kept full of slugs. And then he had he
<v Speaker 2>had a Draco and he had like two three fifty sevens.
<v Speaker 2>And just because the riverbank thing, it was such a
<v Speaker 2>good like it was it was too good to pass up,
<v Speaker 2>I guess would be the easiest way to put it.
<v Speaker 2>It was like it was too good to pass up
<v Speaker 2>for him. He had explored it. He had you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, He picked out this certain spot you
<v Speaker 2>gotta you know, drive over the train tracks or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>and there's a bunch of weird off roads. If anybody,
<v Speaker 2>you know, anybody from that area would know what I'm
<v Speaker 2>talking about. So yeah, so he'd take us down there
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And on this particular day we did Cokia.
<v Speaker 2>We did the mounds and then we're in the van
<v Speaker 2>and we're driving down there, and we used to have
<v Speaker 2>to spar for who got to sit in the front
<v Speaker 2>seat and there was no back seats, so you said,
<v Speaker 2>on a bucket that was literally bungee corded to the
<v Speaker 2>side of it. But anyway, so that's where I was
<v Speaker 2>sitting because I lost just about every time. Because the dude,
<v Speaker 2>he was one eighty five. I was one sixty. So
<v Speaker 2>we get to that point and we had drawstring bags
<v Speaker 2>and he would give us, both of us at three
<v Speaker 2>fifty seven for when we jogged the river bank just
<v Speaker 2>because you know, and he would wait for us, and
<v Speaker 2>it was he'd time it. He'd hit his timer and
<v Speaker 2>said go, and we'd go. So we're jogging, you know,
<v Speaker 2>there's driftwood and different stuff, you're jumping over it, you're
<v Speaker 2>moving around whatever, and he's ahead of me. You know,
<v Speaker 2>he's a more he was much more experienced. He also
<v Speaker 2>wasn't in juvenile He hadn't he didn't have the pass
<v Speaker 2>and the whatever that I had. He was he was
<v Speaker 2>just better than me, it's the easiest way to put it.
<v Speaker 2>And as he we got out of sight of our trainer.
<v Speaker 2>And then there's another part where he'd turn, and as
<v Speaker 2>he made that turn, I started to get up to
<v Speaker 2>it and I got I got overwhelmed with the smell
<v Speaker 2>like of legit death. Like I mean, it was dead
<v Speaker 2>death like not not like it wasn't no wet dog
<v Speaker 2>shit it stuff. It was. It was literally just death.
<v Speaker 2>And I went to one knee and just immediately vomited.
<v Speaker 2>And I heard him yell. And we had a code
<v Speaker 2>like for you know, what if something bad was happening
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and it was just RNG, which meant run
<v Speaker 2>and gun. And he it was like he turned hill
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden he was back, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, It didn't it didn't even take him
<v Speaker 2>thirty thirty seconds, ten seconds probably, And I could see
<v Speaker 2>something like I could see because it was so hot
<v Speaker 2>out and the sun was, you know, beaming down. I
<v Speaker 2>could see a shadow moving but it wasn't moving really fast.
<v Speaker 2>It was moving kind of slow or whatever, like through
<v Speaker 2>the like behind the foliage or and I just pulled
<v Speaker 2>the gun out because I was like, you know, what
<v Speaker 2>are we running from. It's probably just something stupid, dude
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And I saw like this hand pulled the foliage,
<v Speaker 2>like start to pull the foliage. I didn't see I
<v Speaker 2>didn't see a face, I didn't see a body, I
<v Speaker 2>didn't see anything like that. At first it was a hand,
<v Speaker 2>but it kind of looked like the way the easiest
<v Speaker 2>way I could describe it was it looked like saber
<v Speaker 2>tussaying from like X Men, but Harry, if you ever
<v Speaker 2>seen like the actual X Men movie, like the you know,
<v Speaker 2>Origins one or whatever, where he's got the crazy claws
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, not the weird other ones. But yeah, So
<v Speaker 2>I saw that and immediately it was just like what
<v Speaker 2>in the hell am I looking at? And just I
<v Speaker 2>shot it. I didn't know what else to do, like
<v Speaker 2>and I just went and he was like what are
<v Speaker 2>you doing? What are you doing? And then he grabbed
<v Speaker 2>my shoulder and just like started pulling me. So we
<v Speaker 2>sprinted back. And when I did that, I heard this,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, I don't know, I guess, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know the best way just got that kind of also
<v Speaker 2>stunned me. I guess. The noise because it let out
<v Speaker 2>this like whatever it was let out this just I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. It was like excruciating to your ears and
<v Speaker 2>like you could feel it in your body too. It
<v Speaker 2>was like a hundred year old smoker slash bear slash
<v Speaker 2>woman being gutted. Sound I don't. It's really hard to explain,
<v Speaker 2>to be totally honest with you. But and you know,
<v Speaker 2>we were experienced running this trail, We were experienced doing
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. We had ridiculous cardio. We
<v Speaker 2>were back to the van in a very uh, very shortly.
<v Speaker 2>Then I don't know, I started shaking a little bit
<v Speaker 2>more than I ever normally do. Like that's weird. I
<v Speaker 2>normally don't. I normally don't get freaked out. But I
<v Speaker 2>guess I've never really told this story like that, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, I've never really told the story.
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I understand. Experiencing something like that will terrify you,
<v Speaker 1>and whenever you talk about it, you relive it and
<v Speaker 1>you start sweating and getting nervous and putting yourself back
<v Speaker 1>in that moment exactly.
<v Speaker 2>And that's like how I'm feeling right now. It's like
<v Speaker 2>I got the goosebumps or whatever, like all over again.
<v Speaker 2>It's like my body feels hot. It's kind of I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I haven't experienced that in a long time.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I'm gonna try to just get back to it.
<v Speaker 2>But so we're getting back and we see the van
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and I can hear something still tearing through
<v Speaker 2>behind us, and it seemed like it was right behind us.
<v Speaker 2>So like I just took I took the pistol as
<v Speaker 2>soon as that because I still had three shots left.
<v Speaker 2>So I took the as soon as we took the thing,
<v Speaker 2>and I saw the vein at the pistol and just
<v Speaker 2>put it behind me, like in the center of my
<v Speaker 2>back and Papa like really quick, as fast as I
<v Speaker 2>possibly could. And then I noticed our trainer he was
<v Speaker 2>sitting so like you know how you can pull yourself out,
<v Speaker 2>Like if you're driving a car or whatever, you can
<v Speaker 2>you can be sitting on the window if you got
<v Speaker 2>the window rolled down, and you can be above the
<v Speaker 2>you know, like you can be have your body over
<v Speaker 2>the the top of the car or in this case van.
<v Speaker 2>So he's got a shotgun and I just hear boom, boom, boom,
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, you got to think this all happened
<v Speaker 2>maybe in thirty forty five seconds. We didn't even make it.
<v Speaker 2>I don't even think we made it an eighth of
<v Speaker 2>a mile before this is, you know, before I even
<v Speaker 2>smelt that, threw up, turned around and we went back.
<v Speaker 2>I don't even think we were that, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean. So he's he's unloading on whatever's behind us,
<v Speaker 2>which I didn't, you know, all I saw was a
<v Speaker 2>hand at this at this point or whatever. And then
<v Speaker 2>we get to the van. I grabbed the or he
<v Speaker 2>grabs the handle and he slings it open. We both
<v Speaker 2>just jump in. I sling it closed. He gets in
<v Speaker 2>the front seat, trainer sits down. He's our van's already started,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and he skids out, and uh, like I said,
<v Speaker 2>there are railroad tracks like pretty much right. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know they weren't right there, but they're pretty close. He
<v Speaker 2>skids out, he starts going and we're after that, Like
<v Speaker 2>I was, like, dude, I got to see what the
<v Speaker 2>hell that was. So I'm and I'm also climbing to
<v Speaker 2>the back to my little bucket that's you know, like
<v Speaker 2>I said, bungee corded to the side of the thing.
<v Speaker 2>I pulled myself up on it and I look and
<v Speaker 2>as soon as I do that, we hit the damn
<v Speaker 2>railroad tracks and it just goes boom boom, and my
<v Speaker 2>head's bouncing, but like eventually, like I just kind of
<v Speaker 2>sugar it off, like obviously I was a kickboxer, so
<v Speaker 2>I get hit and had all the time, or back
<v Speaker 2>then I did. So I'm looking out the back window
<v Speaker 2>and I see it looks like one of them, So
<v Speaker 2>there I realized at this time that there was more
<v Speaker 2>than one. One of them was lying on the beach,
<v Speaker 2>face down, and you couldn't see it didn't have a
<v Speaker 2>head anymore, Like you couldn't see it, you know, or
<v Speaker 2>as far as from what I could see, it didn't
<v Speaker 2>have ahead. Maybe I don't know, there's blood stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>There's another one that was totally fine, and it was
<v Speaker 2>on all fours or whatever, and it's looking like straight
<v Speaker 2>at me directly, and I'll never forget its eyes. It
<v Speaker 2>had like those orange like it was it's hard to
<v Speaker 2>say that they were They couldn't. I wouldn't say they
<v Speaker 2>were glowing, but they were just so intense, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. And it had like the head of
<v Speaker 2>like right now, I own an English master. If he's
<v Speaker 2>like two hundred pounds, he's huge. It had a head
<v Speaker 2>kind of like that, or at least it was like
<v Speaker 2>the size of that almost but bigger, like maybe double that,
<v Speaker 2>but thick, like, you know, just a really big Obviously,
<v Speaker 2>it didn't have like the massive cheeks, like the smushed
<v Speaker 2>face or anything. It was more protruded. It looked more
<v Speaker 2>don't To me at the time, the only thought that
<v Speaker 2>could come to my head was like, that's a really
<v Speaker 2>big freaking wolf, you know. And then it stood up
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, no, way, no. And then we
<v Speaker 2>were outside of it, and that was you know, and
<v Speaker 2>then we're flying back. We skid onto the main road.
<v Speaker 2>Nobody said a word. We get on the bridge to
<v Speaker 2>go back over into Missouri, like actual Saint Louis, Missouri,
<v Speaker 2>and our trainer was like, you know, he didn't he
<v Speaker 2>kind of he was a man of very few words,
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't speak great English either, but he was like,
<v Speaker 2>you tell no one, tell no one, you sell nothing,
<v Speaker 2>you tell no one. And that was pretty much. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>that was pretty much the end of the experience. But
<v Speaker 2>then after that happened, we get back to the gym
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and then I get I get my friend's
<v Speaker 2>car because he was kind of I was kind of like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, he was kind of taking I don't
<v Speaker 2>want to say he was taking care of me, but
<v Speaker 2>he was kind of making sure that I wasn't out
<v Speaker 2>in the street doing stupid stuff like I had been
<v Speaker 2>doing before. Because we were both kind of we made
<v Speaker 2>a pack to dedicate you know, our life to this.
<v Speaker 2>Pretty much. That was that was supposed to be my career.
<v Speaker 2>That was what I was trying to do type thing.
<v Speaker 2>So like, you know, we're and we're heading back to
<v Speaker 2>his dad's house, his dad, the you know, ten time
<v Speaker 2>kickboxing world champion, mister thought he was the coolest guy
<v Speaker 2>on the planet type thing, and we're heading back and
<v Speaker 2>I was like, dude, what did you see? And he
<v Speaker 2>was just like, I don't want to talk about it.
<v Speaker 2>And it took, I mean it took, like I want
<v Speaker 2>to say, like three days before he truly opened up
<v Speaker 2>about it. Like we had to. I had to get
<v Speaker 2>him partially drunk, I guess would be the way to
<v Speaker 2>put it, because yeah, we were drinking, like and he
<v Speaker 2>was just like that thing was standing up and I
<v Speaker 2>swear to god, it had somebody's arm in its hand
<v Speaker 2>and there was a ripped up because there were homeless
<v Speaker 2>camps back there. Occasionally, He's homeless people would camp back there,
<v Speaker 2>and there were a lot of missing people going like
<v Speaker 2>at that time, there were a lot and they were
<v Speaker 2>always blaming it on like packs of wild dogs, which
<v Speaker 2>is a real thing. There are packs of wild dogs
<v Speaker 2>out there. That's like, it's not false at all. He
<v Speaker 2>was like, dude, I could have swore he it had
<v Speaker 2>like a hand and it's in its hand and it
<v Speaker 2>was like eating at it like a drumstick. And I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>you gotta be screwing me, dude, Like come on, just
<v Speaker 2>be straight with me, like it was just a wolf
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, no, dude, it was standing up. And
<v Speaker 2>then I thought I had hit my head a bunch
<v Speaker 2>and that's why it was. I saw it stand out,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Like it's almost like I
<v Speaker 2>thought I was maybe in a dream state or maybe
<v Speaker 2>you know, partially knocked myself out or got a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>But the more I look back at it, I didn't
<v Speaker 2>even have a headache, so I couldn't hit I had
<v Speaker 2>that hard. And then the way he described it and
<v Speaker 2>everything else, and I was like, well, did you see
<v Speaker 2>the second one? Because I saw the second one, and
<v Speaker 2>he goes, you saw it and I was like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>like it was like kind of red because it had
<v Speaker 2>a reddish. It looked black, but in the sun with
<v Speaker 2>the sun beaten down on it, you could see just
<v Speaker 2>like a reddish tint to its fur a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>And he's like the one with the orange eyes. And
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he goes, that's the
<v Speaker 2>one that was standing up. And I was like, well,
<v Speaker 2>where'd the other one come from? He was like, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. He's like, I didn't the guy I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I just like, uh, you know what I mean. Like,
<v Speaker 2>so we were both kind of in all because we
<v Speaker 2>both saw it in different ways, I guess. So the
<v Speaker 2>one that I thought he saw eating whatever must have
<v Speaker 2>been I guess in a way on guard or something.
<v Speaker 2>And the one that he saw that was eating something
<v Speaker 2>was the one that I saw sitting down that stood up.
<v Speaker 2>I guess, if that makes any sense, Like they were
<v Speaker 2>they were together, so to speak. And I mean, I
<v Speaker 2>guess that's the you know, that's the experience of it.
<v Speaker 2>That's as far as what we saw and everything. But
<v Speaker 2>obviously we pretty much made a pack to never talk
<v Speaker 2>about it. Our teacher he died like maybe two years later.
<v Speaker 2>I went to I got in trouble again. I went
<v Speaker 2>to jail. Blah, blah blah. He he was champion for
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how many years before he started
<v Speaker 2>kind of falling off the wagon and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>But and that's pretty much it as far as the way,
<v Speaker 2>you know, what we saw and everything, how it all
<v Speaker 2>went down.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Josh, Well, I appreciate you for sharing that with me.
<v Speaker 1>And I can only imagine that was the most terrifying
<v Speaker 1>thing that you've ever experienced in your life. What time
<v Speaker 1>of day did this occur? In August?
<v Speaker 2>So we were when we always got the mounds at
<v Speaker 2>six you know what I'm saying, So we would be it.
<v Speaker 2>We'd be a coochie out at six am, going up
<v Speaker 2>and doing all that. And then I mean it was
<v Speaker 2>like a five minute drive maybe maybe not, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Bores drove really fast or shit, well he's dead, it
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. The old man drove really fast. So I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe five to fifteen minutes away from the
<v Speaker 2>mountains to get to the river the part where we
<v Speaker 2>were at. So then, and I mean obviously to jog
<v Speaker 2>up Koke Mountains. If you've never been there, you don't
<v Speaker 2>you don't really realize how massive it actually is. It's
<v Speaker 2>a big thing. So it's probably I would say about seven,
<v Speaker 2>maybe seven fifteen am, you know what I mean. It
<v Speaker 2>was still there was fall coming off of the river. Still,
<v Speaker 2>the sun was up, but not all the way like
<v Speaker 2>up in the sky. But it was just it didn't matter.
<v Speaker 2>It could have been the middle of the night. It
<v Speaker 2>would have been sticky and gross outside like it was
<v Speaker 2>the It was like that work, those couple of work,
<v Speaker 2>the worst weeks of August, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hot, So it's extremely hot, it's pretty much humid outside.
<v Speaker 1>It's almost dark time. You and your friend are out
<v Speaker 1>there training.
<v Speaker 2>And you almost know it's like morning time.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, morning time, okay, so no.
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking it was it was yeah, No, we got
<v Speaker 2>there at six am.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you're out there early training. Yeah, that makes sense.
<v Speaker 1>And whenever you're going through the forest, you see the
<v Speaker 1>shadow moving through the woods, through the brush cracked.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I've seen it. I didn't see it until
<v Speaker 2>after he had already you know, turned heel and yelled,
<v Speaker 2>you know, orange running gun or whatever, and uh, I
<v Speaker 2>didn't see it until I saw him, And then that's
<v Speaker 2>when I kind of saw the It wasn't even really
<v Speaker 2>I guess I could see it. I guess there would
<v Speaker 2>have been a shadow, but I said shadow, But it's
<v Speaker 2>more like a damn mass, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>behind the foliage, because there's you know how river works
<v Speaker 2>when you're on the beach, there's plants and trees and
<v Speaker 2>shit the jut you know, they come out, they overhang
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. Yeah, it was it was behind that.
<v Speaker 2>It was coming from behind that. He had just run
<v Speaker 2>it and then Turnhill came back told me to run
<v Speaker 2>type thing and that's when I yeah, and it, like
<v Speaker 2>I said, it went to start pulling them, pulling the
<v Speaker 2>branches back or whatever, and that's when I shot it
<v Speaker 2>in the hand.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And do you think this creature was stalking you guys?
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I don't think so at all. Actually,
<v Speaker 2>I think we surprised it. I think we ran up
<v Speaker 2>on something that we weren't supposed to be running up on,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. I don't think it was No,
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he was talking us at all. I
<v Speaker 2>think he just ran We just wrong, you know, wrong place,
<v Speaker 2>wrong time, to be honest.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and how many times did you shoot at the creature?
<v Speaker 2>Three times? The first time and then the second time
<v Speaker 2>when we were running. It felt it literally felt like
<v Speaker 2>it was right behind me when I saw the van,
<v Speaker 2>So I had I mean in the most awkward, terrible
<v Speaker 2>shooting way you could possibly do. I just had it
<v Speaker 2>behind my back and sideways and just was pulling the
<v Speaker 2>trigger hoping that, you know, even if it didn't connect,
<v Speaker 2>it would maybe scare it or something, because I didn't
<v Speaker 2>know what it was, you know, for all I knew
<v Speaker 2>it was like some weird gorilla that escaped from the zoo.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see its face or its body or anything. Really.
<v Speaker 2>I just kind of saw its hand and its arm
<v Speaker 2>or piece of its art like maybe, like I guess
<v Speaker 2>it's wrist. So I had no I didn't even know
<v Speaker 2>what I was shooting at at that point.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrifying. And whenever you shot at it, it
<v Speaker 1>let out this scream. Correct.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, when I hit it the first time, because
<v Speaker 2>I know for a fact I hit it the very
<v Speaker 2>very first time, and I had to have hit it
<v Speaker 2>in the chest the other two times. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>that that. I don't know how much it affected it,
<v Speaker 2>but it definitely ticked it off. I mean, it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>happy to be wasn't happy to take. I don't think
<v Speaker 2>anything regardless of how tough you are, be happy to
<v Speaker 2>be hit with a three fifty seven round no matter
<v Speaker 2>where it is. Yeah, but it definitely didn't like getting
<v Speaker 2>it in the hand. I know that. So, or whatever
<v Speaker 2>you want to call it.
<v Speaker 1>How far away was the Kahoki amount from where you
<v Speaker 1>encountered this creature?
<v Speaker 2>I mean I don't know the exact distance. I just
<v Speaker 2>know it was probably within you know, five to fifteen
<v Speaker 2>minute drive, so to speak, you know what I mean? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>as far as from, and it's it's hard to you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of hard to say just from. It's not
<v Speaker 2>like back in the day where you had cell phones
<v Speaker 2>and all the like. I mean, we had cell phones
<v Speaker 2>back then, but like they were flip phones and you
<v Speaker 2>weren't on them all the time. And you know, all
<v Speaker 2>you had was the clock that was on the van,
<v Speaker 2>which was always wrong. So it's not like I ever
<v Speaker 2>timed the amount of time it took for us to
<v Speaker 2>go from Coke Mounts to the to the river spot.
<v Speaker 1>No, I understand that. And you know, there's a lot
<v Speaker 1>of a lot going on there as far as the river.
<v Speaker 1>There's been a lot of cryptid encounters there the Kahokia Mound,
<v Speaker 1>which I believe used to be a Native American city,
<v Speaker 1>and they claim that there used to be like a
<v Speaker 1>giant pyramid there where they would do trading and a
<v Speaker 1>lot of arts found. Yeah, I know, you're fine.
<v Speaker 2>And Lewis used to be called Mountain City, you know,
<v Speaker 2>but we took all that stuff down and built all
<v Speaker 2>these buildings. So it's like talking about screwing up the
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, the paranormal aspect. There's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>weird stuff that's happened in Saint Louis. The movie Exorcist,
<v Speaker 2>I mean that was that was literally based off of
<v Speaker 2>the extorcism that happened in Saint Alexis House along forty
<v Speaker 2>five on a Broadway. So yeah, there's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>crazy stuff, crazy paranormal type history in Saint Louis.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty much. The city is built on top of
<v Speaker 1>Native American grounds and there's all kinds of artifacts underneath
<v Speaker 1>the city, and you know, it's a shame that it's
<v Speaker 1>all plowed over, and you know there's a civilization there
<v Speaker 1>now built on top of an ancient civilization. But what
<v Speaker 1>I found interesting about your story was when you mentioned
<v Speaker 1>the pack of wild dogs and I interviewed a gentleman
<v Speaker 1>from Youngstown, Ohio who had a close up dog man encounter,
<v Speaker 1>and that's what he said. He was at an abandoned
<v Speaker 1>area and there was rumors of wild dogs out there
<v Speaker 1>and people kept running into them, and when him and
<v Speaker 1>his friends were out there, they ran into a dog man,
<v Speaker 1>and the dog man actually killed some of the dogs
<v Speaker 1>that were out there, and they were pretty much trapped
<v Speaker 1>in the old abandoned building, and the dog man went
<v Speaker 1>in there and try to get them. I'll send you
<v Speaker 1>a link to that and also put a link in
<v Speaker 1>the description if anyone wants to listen to that. But
<v Speaker 1>the horrifying or the the bad odor, that that is
<v Speaker 1>very interesting. You said it smelled like death, correct, Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>No, it was death like it wasn't. I didn't, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I've heard I just started, you know, learning about this
<v Speaker 2>stuff recently, or listening to podcasts and stuff about this
<v Speaker 2>stuff recently. Like I didn't know what a dog man
<v Speaker 2>was until maybe a year ago or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>So like in my mind this whole time, this thing
<v Speaker 2>was a mutant or some you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>like a werewolf mutant or something like. I had no
<v Speaker 2>idea what it could have been. But yeah, so.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I understand it's hard to place what that
<v Speaker 1>could be when you encounter or something so terrifying. Let's
<v Speaker 1>see what else, how, Like, what can you describe the
<v Speaker 1>creature as? Like what did it look like? You mentioned
<v Speaker 1>the X Men earlier? What did it look like exactly?
<v Speaker 2>I mean at the closer when I actually got so,
<v Speaker 2>like I I originally kind of described when I was describing,
<v Speaker 2>like its claws like and just its clause, like when
<v Speaker 2>I saw the hand, you know, like saber tooth claws
<v Speaker 2>and like that one X Men movie that everybody hates
<v Speaker 2>because they screwed up Deadpool the what do you call it? Like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>his claws like how they extended from his nails or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>That's how That's what the clause reminded me of. Like
<v Speaker 2>that was the first thought that went through my head.
<v Speaker 2>Except for its hand was you know, hairy, it had
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know it honestly, it was kind of
<v Speaker 2>well groomed to like and I you know, other encounters
<v Speaker 2>that I've heard were people or like you know, they
<v Speaker 2>they look real mangy and gross and stuff like these
<v Speaker 2>did this one at least didn't the one once when
<v Speaker 2>I that I saw out of the back of the
<v Speaker 2>van in the hand and all that, it didn't you know,
<v Speaker 2>it didn't look so it didn't look so nasty. It
<v Speaker 2>looked well groomed like so there's like the I guess
<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to think of werewolves that I can.
<v Speaker 2>You know that, uh that I've seen movies and stuff
<v Speaker 2>like I guess Underworld. But if it had really nice
<v Speaker 2>bath or something, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>No, I know exactly what you mean. The bigfoot that
<v Speaker 1>I encountered, it looked like a black bear like coat
<v Speaker 1>that somebody washed and used conditioning on, like real, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, like a really nice coat, that's what.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So and that's kind of yeah, like you know,
<v Speaker 2>you ever see I'm sure you've seen, you know, grizzly
<v Speaker 2>bears and stuff like that, like their coat where it's
<v Speaker 2>real nice and just just nice looking like I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it looked like it had just taken a went to
<v Speaker 2>a doggy pamper place or whatever and got washed. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't it wasn't that mangy, ugly, scraggly look that
<v Speaker 2>you see in some of the movies or whatever. It
<v Speaker 2>was a better looking version.
<v Speaker 1>I guess, Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. So
<v Speaker 1>it had really long claws, correct.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean long in the Yeah, I mean its
<v Speaker 2>hand was compared to my hand. It's so like my
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't have big hands, but I
<v Speaker 2>don't have small hands. I got like whatever hands. Just
<v Speaker 2>I guess my hands are about I I want to say,
<v Speaker 2>seven inches probably from you know, a wrist to middle finger.
<v Speaker 2>And it was i'd say at least sixteen inches long probably,
<v Speaker 2>and then plus the claws claws were probably about two
<v Speaker 2>to three inches long, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so really big.
<v Speaker 2>Hands, freaking ginormous. Yeah. Like and it just and I
<v Speaker 2>remember like its forearm, like the way the muscle was
<v Speaker 2>popping out and just how big that was too. And
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, hell, you know what I mean?
<v Speaker 2>It was. Yeah, it was very like I said, it's
<v Speaker 2>almost it's like I don't normally stutter, but like it
<v Speaker 2>makes it's definitely making me like really remember it. I
<v Speaker 2>don't thinking about it like it was. It was something
<v Speaker 2>where it's like I felt like if that grabbed me
<v Speaker 2>by the neck or whatever, it wouldn't even have to
<v Speaker 2>squeeze hardly. It could probably just grabbed me by my
<v Speaker 2>neck and just turned its wrist a little bit and
<v Speaker 2>it would have broken, you know what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you didn't know what you were shooting at,
<v Speaker 1>what type of creature it was, but you knew without
<v Speaker 1>a doubt it wasn't human.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no it was. It was no human being, that's
<v Speaker 2>for sure. It could I mean unless they make you know,
<v Speaker 2>people with saber tooth whatever's and hair like that, and
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, there's no way. Neanderthal maybe,
<v Speaker 2>but in bread with a wolf, I don't know, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying, Like, it was no no human Okay, sure.
<v Speaker 1>So let's move on to the part where you and
<v Speaker 1>your friend saw the one lying face down and it
<v Speaker 1>looked like it was missing ahead and you saw another
<v Speaker 1>one on all fours. Can you describe the one that
<v Speaker 1>was laying down.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So it had a tail. I could see that,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. It had like a kind
<v Speaker 2>of like the Alaskan nlum it's tail a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>But obviously it wasn't sticking straight up. Its dead. So
<v Speaker 2>the thing was to the side and I couldn't see it, said,
<v Speaker 2>because I don't think it was there and there was
<v Speaker 2>I mean, just a huge puddle of blood in like
<v Speaker 2>the sand or whatever. But I guess I'm assuming that's
<v Speaker 2>where the old man. The old man had hit that
<v Speaker 2>one in the head with the slug a couple of
<v Speaker 2>times or something. I don't know. Like I said, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know for sure. We never talked to him about it.
<v Speaker 2>He would never talk about it again, so I'm assuming
<v Speaker 2>he'd hit that. It did have It did have like
<v Speaker 2>a I want to say, like a mane on its back,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like it kind of it
<v Speaker 2>looked like a hump, but it wasn't like I thought
<v Speaker 2>it Like, the more that I've thought about it, it
<v Speaker 2>looked like it had like a weird hump back, but
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't. I don't think it was a hump. It
<v Speaker 2>was like it just had really really thick so it
<v Speaker 2>had thinner hair for the most part, but then it
<v Speaker 2>had like really thick hair around its neck and then
<v Speaker 2>going down its back that ended in like a what
<v Speaker 2>do you call it, like a triangle so to speak,
<v Speaker 2>to its tail and like I mean, you could see
<v Speaker 2>its muscle it had, I mean, it was jacked. It
<v Speaker 2>would have been. It looked short because it didn't have
<v Speaker 2>a head. It looked like it was about I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>six five, maybe without its head. But and it had
<v Speaker 2>the back turned dog legs, you know what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 2>It it had a pretty I mean, it just looked
<v Speaker 2>like a as far as I can in reality. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it just looked like a werewolf because it was completely
<v Speaker 2>spread out. But it's weird that you asked me that,
<v Speaker 2>because I haven't thought about that in a long time.
<v Speaker 2>And that's like I saw it more in my peripheral
<v Speaker 2>to an extent, because I wasn't focused on it. I
<v Speaker 2>was focused on the other one that was staring at me,
<v Speaker 2>and it was looking me right in the eye. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, now I can cut like the visualization that
<v Speaker 2>I've got of it. You know, it just looked like
<v Speaker 2>something faced down and it it did have one did
<v Speaker 2>have its one arm out, so I could see that,
<v Speaker 2>and I could, you know, hand claws, giant ripped out
<v Speaker 2>looking thing. But and the other one at the same time.
<v Speaker 2>Though I in that moment I just thought of it,
<v Speaker 2>I was still I guess I was in shock, is
<v Speaker 2>the easiest way to put it. Not to mention my
<v Speaker 2>head just hit the ceiling like three or four times,
<v Speaker 2>but so I was a bit dazed, I guess. But
<v Speaker 2>and then and like I didn't I guess in reality,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get the greatest look at it, But the
<v Speaker 2>other one I got a great look at because it
<v Speaker 2>looked me right in the eyes, and like I said,
<v Speaker 2>it had like those amber orange eyes and it was
<v Speaker 2>on all fours, but it looked it almost looked like
<v Speaker 2>a person sitting down like and then because its arms
<v Speaker 2>were so long, I guess, and then so to speak,
<v Speaker 2>like and then when it stood up, it was almost
<v Speaker 2>like it was mocking me, Like it was like you
<v Speaker 2>didn't understand that, did you? Or you didn't know that
<v Speaker 2>was what was happening like it was. I don't want
<v Speaker 2>to say it smiled. I'm not gonna say that, but
<v Speaker 2>it gave me a look like until it like it
<v Speaker 2>had some form of intelligence going on, like it was.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just some dumb animal, like it knew what
<v Speaker 2>was up and it, I guess, I mean, to Chase
<v Speaker 2>Us would have brought it. I feel like that's why
<v Speaker 2>it didn't chase us too, is just because it to
<v Speaker 2>Chase Us would have brought it right past the railroad
<v Speaker 2>tracks where it didn't want to be because you get
<v Speaker 2>past the rail tracks and yeah, there isn't a whole
<v Speaker 2>lot there. It's a bunch of rundown bullshit and stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that. But it only about a quarter mile and
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden you're in town, you know.
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like that might have kept it from
<v Speaker 2>chasing us too, But I don't know for sure. I'm
<v Speaker 2>not like a specialist on dog man thoughts or anything.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and did this thing look evil?
<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm not I can't say that it looked evil.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna say that it looked like demonic or anything.
<v Speaker 2>It looked intelligent. It looked like a predator, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it looked like something that you know wanted
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't or well, it looked like something that wouldn't mind
<v Speaker 2>ripping your head off it like and having absolutely no remorse. Also,
<v Speaker 2>and when you add that with intelligence, I guess you
<v Speaker 2>could say that that would be sadistic. But I wouldn't
<v Speaker 2>say that it was evil. Evil like more survival type,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. I guess more of a
<v Speaker 2>just if it's me or you, it's gonna be you
<v Speaker 2>type thing. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And do you mean intelligent like kind of like when
<v Speaker 1>somebody has like a really smart dog and you can
<v Speaker 1>just look in their eyes and tell that there's like
<v Speaker 1>thought process going behind it.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean I think you're smarter than just
<v Speaker 2>a smart dog. Man. I mean it really it really
<v Speaker 2>looked like, I mean, almost the same intelligence as me
<v Speaker 2>or you, you know what I mean. Like I I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>I've thought about that a lot now that i've like
<v Speaker 2>actually kind of researched stuff. And I was just like, man,
<v Speaker 2>I wonder it could have been having the exact same
<v Speaker 2>thought that I was having, Like you just killed my friend,
<v Speaker 2>but I can't do anything about it right now because
<v Speaker 2>of what you're doing. And if it was the you know,
<v Speaker 2>shoes on the other foot, say, and they would have
<v Speaker 2>grabbed him and I wouldn't have been I wouldn't have
<v Speaker 2>been able to do anything about it. At the end
<v Speaker 2>of the day. I would have had to just take
<v Speaker 2>off and get back to the day and I wouldn't
<v Speaker 2>have been able to It's not like i'd have been
<v Speaker 2>able to pull him away from them or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>I mean unless I was had really well aimed shots
<v Speaker 2>and knew what was going on. But I had no
<v Speaker 2>idea what was going on when it started, so you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, And it really only lasted maybe
<v Speaker 2>forty five seconds at most, so and it was all
<v Speaker 2>just kind of for the longest time, it was all
<v Speaker 2>just a blur, like it was kind of a repressed
<v Speaker 2>memory that I tried not to you know, and I
<v Speaker 2>even you know, for the longest time, I even tried
<v Speaker 2>to convince myself that it was just wild dogs or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't until I started like actually hearing about
<v Speaker 2>this and stuff like that. Like that's when I was like,
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, I can saw one of those you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. It's it's one of those things
<v Speaker 2>where it's like it clicks now that we've got access
<v Speaker 2>to that kind of stuss, like holy shit, like that's
<v Speaker 2>what you actually saw.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And did you ever go back to the area
<v Speaker 1>to see if there was a dead creature there?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Absolutely not. We know we were not. The old
<v Speaker 2>man was like, you are, We're never coming back here.
<v Speaker 2>We can train somewhere else. We didn't. It took me
<v Speaker 2>almost a decade just to go back to Kahokia Mountains,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like I mean, and I
<v Speaker 2>when I did, obviously it was the middle of the day,
<v Speaker 2>there's tourists, there's people, and you know, it was like
<v Speaker 2>a normal time to go there, Like I yeah, no,
<v Speaker 2>I've never been back there. I've considered going back there
<v Speaker 2>now now that I'm older and now that I have
<v Speaker 2>knowledge and stuff like that. I mean, this is one
<v Speaker 2>of those things that now it's like, you know, once
<v Speaker 2>you start to really into it and stuff, you've kind
<v Speaker 2>of become infatuated to an extent and you're just like,
<v Speaker 2>maybe I should, maybe I should go back. But I
<v Speaker 2>don't even know if that road's still there. It could
<v Speaker 2>have been, you know, it could be grown completely over
<v Speaker 2>that river, that stretch of river, that whole beach could
<v Speaker 2>be washed out. I have no idea. I haven't been
<v Speaker 2>back in that area, that part of that area in
<v Speaker 2>a very long time. So yeah, I mean almost the
<v Speaker 2>half of my life because I was seventeen. I'm about
<v Speaker 2>to be thirty four.
<v Speaker 1>So you know, was there a cemetery nearby? Do you know?
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's a lot of cemeteries over in that area.
<v Speaker 2>On top of the fact that they a lot of
<v Speaker 2>those mounds are considered to be burial mounds. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if you've ever been, if you know, that or not.
<v Speaker 2>But so, like, yeah, that was a it was a metropolis,
<v Speaker 2>it was a big trading center and all that. But
<v Speaker 2>the mounds were burial mountains, a lot of them.
<v Speaker 1>And do you think there's giants buried underneath there, just
<v Speaker 1>Native Americans or both?
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a I mean, that's a hard question. Like
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't, I don't. I'm not educated enough
<v Speaker 2>on the subject to know, I guess to you know,
<v Speaker 2>to give you a real answer to say that, I know,
<v Speaker 2>but I could, I could see it, I could imagine it.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you think about the secrecy of all
<v Speaker 2>the mounds that they dug up in Saint Louis and
<v Speaker 2>just bury, you know what I mean, and just built over,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there there's a possibility that, you know, you
<v Speaker 2>really never know. I mean even on like ripleics believe
<v Speaker 2>it or not or whatever they they talk about, like
<v Speaker 2>how Saint Louis has the largest underground cave system in
<v Speaker 2>the entire world. So, I mean, anything's possible. I'm not
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to discount it. I'm not going to
<v Speaker 2>say no, But I don't know, so to speak.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seems like the place is cursed. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it has like the worst crime rate in anywhere in
<v Speaker 1>the United States, and I mean, it's it's a dangerous
<v Speaker 1>place to be for sure. I was telling you about
<v Speaker 1>the Youngstown, Ohio dog man encounter that I logged down
<v Speaker 1>on the channel a while back, and I just looked
<v Speaker 1>it up and apparently there's some burial mounds there too,
<v Speaker 1>and downtown Youngstown, Ohio, and I think it's called the
<v Speaker 1>Hope Well Burial Mound. And that's pretty interesting because your
<v Speaker 1>encounter really lines up with that that man's encounter that
<v Speaker 1>he had with the dog man.
<v Speaker 2>That is crazy. I haven't heard that encounter. I don't,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. I my knowledge is still
<v Speaker 2>pretty limited on this stuff. So I'm you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean. I can tell people what I've seen and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, but I don't, you know, I've researched
<v Speaker 2>it too, to the most to the most extent that
<v Speaker 2>you can being you know, a single father with you know,
<v Speaker 2>full custody of your kid, that holds down a full
<v Speaker 2>time job and the you know what I mean, It's
<v Speaker 2>not like I got time every day to be really
<v Speaker 2>really researching this kind of stuff. So but that's that's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>So you said that's in Ohio.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll send you a link to that after the interview.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that sounds good. Yeah. Yeah. The only other thing
<v Speaker 2>as far as like because East Saint Louis, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you remember it got it caught
<v Speaker 2>them fire back in the forties, and that was pretty
<v Speaker 2>much what destroyed it. It was actually supposed to be
<v Speaker 2>like a booming city back then, and then it caught
<v Speaker 2>them fire and a lot of people died, a lot
<v Speaker 2>of bad stuff happened, and then that was the end
<v Speaker 2>of it, you know what I mean. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if you ever heard about that or not, But and
<v Speaker 2>East Saint Louis is right by Kochie. I mean, they're
<v Speaker 2>literally if you've ever been to Pops or Sager, you know,
<v Speaker 2>they're all within maybe five minutes of each other pretty much.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I've played at Pops back in the day numerous times.
<v Speaker 1>And that's a dangerous area. So there's a lot of
<v Speaker 1>crime there and you don't want to get caught there
<v Speaker 1>at nighttime.
<v Speaker 2>M you definitely don't. I mean I grew up, I
<v Speaker 2>grew up in South City, you know, I grew up
<v Speaker 2>in Dutchdown. It's like the third most problematic area in
<v Speaker 2>the city. So it's like it's kind of second nature
<v Speaker 2>for me. But at the same time, it's not like
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed second nature. It just is what it is, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, It's just where I live.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, and have you ever had any paranormal experiences
<v Speaker 1>out there, anything else that's happened, I.
<v Speaker 2>Mean, yeah, it I so, I'm sure you know about
<v Speaker 2>the Lint Mansion obviously, Well, anybody from Missouri is where
<v Speaker 2>the Lin Mansion is, at least, or at least anybody
<v Speaker 2>that's into paranormal stuff. So there's also the Lim Brewery,
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if you've ever been the viewer
<v Speaker 2>musician and stuff like that. So you can rent like
<v Speaker 2>rooms and stuff up there in that In the brewery,
<v Speaker 2>you can rent a room and you can set it
<v Speaker 2>up to where it's like you've got a recording studio,
<v Speaker 2>put all your instruments in there, you practice, you do whatever,
<v Speaker 2>anytime of day, anytime of night, whatever. People party there
<v Speaker 2>all the time and so like, And I've you know,
<v Speaker 2>obviously we both talked about we're both musicians. We've both
<v Speaker 2>been around. So I've been I've been there a lot,
<v Speaker 2>and there have been times I've even caught it. Like,
<v Speaker 2>the weirdest thing is is I've taked. I took a picture,
<v Speaker 2>so there's like an elevator it no longer works. But
<v Speaker 2>I took a picture and you can clearly, you could
<v Speaker 2>clearly see a face in it. And I was showing
<v Speaker 2>it to everybody like that night that I took the
<v Speaker 2>picture or whatever, and I was like, dude, do you
<v Speaker 2>see that face? And everybody was just like, yeah, holy shit, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>oh man. And then like I swear after I think
<v Speaker 2>I think it was the next morning. I remember I
<v Speaker 2>went to show it to somebody and I was like,
<v Speaker 2>where'd it go? The face wasn't there anymore. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>That sounds so nutty to say out loud, but it's true.
<v Speaker 2>Every one of my friends would, you know, account for it,
<v Speaker 2>because they were all there the night I took it,
<v Speaker 2>and then I put I even posted on Instagram, and
<v Speaker 2>the face wasn't there the next day, So I guess
<v Speaker 2>I would assume that would be a paranormal encounter. And
<v Speaker 2>then if you're smart and you really know, well, you
<v Speaker 2>don't have to be smart. Actually, you have to be
<v Speaker 2>really dumb to do the stuff that I've done. But
<v Speaker 2>if you know how to access the tunnels that are
<v Speaker 2>under that brewery. You can get down in there, and
<v Speaker 2>you're not supposed to do at all. It's totally supposed
<v Speaker 2>to be totally blocked off. But you can literally take
<v Speaker 2>a tunnel from there to the mansion. He get caught
<v Speaker 2>or you get lost, Well, if you get lost, you're
<v Speaker 2>gonna die. If you get caught, you're gonna go to jail.
<v Speaker 2>So I don't recommend it. But it's just like, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you ever heard of cement Land. Have
<v Speaker 2>you ever heard of Smittland? No? So you know Bob Castle, right,
<v Speaker 2>the guy who made a city museum. Okay, so he
<v Speaker 2>started building Cementland. He died there. He died building it
<v Speaker 2>actually as a thing flipped over somehow a couple times
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. If you ever go in that place, well
<v Speaker 2>it's really hard to now because they've burned it down
<v Speaker 2>and the cops to monitor it a lot. But back
<v Speaker 2>in the day, we used to go there. I got
<v Speaker 2>tons of pictures of that place, and it had a
<v Speaker 2>very eerie vibe to it. I'm not gonna say that
<v Speaker 2>it was I'm not gonna say that I saw any
<v Speaker 2>ghosts or anything, but it had a very chilling vibe,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, just a different It wasn't
<v Speaker 2>somewhere that I would ever spend the night at, so
<v Speaker 2>to speak. But as far as paranormal, that's about it.
<v Speaker 2>Other than like you know, Saint Alexis and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Like that, Have you ever like played with the Wigi
<v Speaker 1>board or you know, had strange things happen in those regards.
<v Speaker 2>Not since I was really really young and when that
<v Speaker 2>was that was what made me decide I would never
<v Speaker 2>touch a wigi board again, if that makes sense. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>when I was younger, when I was like seventeen, we
<v Speaker 2>were up in my brother who he actually he passed away,
<v Speaker 2>but we were up in his addict or whatever, and
<v Speaker 2>playing with a Wigi board and we I don't know
<v Speaker 2>it's you ever. I'm sure people talk about hat Man,
<v Speaker 2>you know who that is that? And I swear to
<v Speaker 2>God like it was weirdest, Like everybody saw it too.
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, dude, this gout just be a
<v Speaker 2>shadow because we're looking at the window and you just
<v Speaker 2>it just looked like there was somebody with that. But
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're on the third floor, we're in the addict.
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're not even in the anywhere else. We're
<v Speaker 2>in a freaking addict, so there couldn't have been a
<v Speaker 2>guy standing outside the window. I was like, it's got
<v Speaker 2>to be a shadow, Like, just chill, put the thing
<v Speaker 2>away whatever, put the thing away, turned all the lights
<v Speaker 2>on and it was still there. Turned them all off,
<v Speaker 2>couldn't see anything, turned him back on. It was gone.
<v Speaker 2>And that's I mean, but that's the extent like, and
<v Speaker 2>I don't that could have been a glare, that could
<v Speaker 2>have been the way somebody standing. I'm not going to
<v Speaker 2>give too much credit to that, but it made my
<v Speaker 2>skin crawl and I won't touch Ouiji board ever again
<v Speaker 2>because of that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good decision. And you might have seen
<v Speaker 1>hat man. I mean, I hear a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, especially people on my channel that have
<v Speaker 1>seen cryptids. I always ask have they had paranormal activities
<v Speaker 1>seeing UFOs, aliens or shadow people, And most of the
<v Speaker 1>time they say yes, Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>It used to be a big issue. So like the
<v Speaker 2>reason why I like another one of the reasons I guess,
<v Speaker 2>and this is I haven't thought about this in forever,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm only remembering it because you brought it up.
<v Speaker 2>But my roommate he used to talk about hat Man
<v Speaker 2>all the time, back when I had an apartment on
<v Speaker 2>Gasconade and seeing him and all this different stuff, and
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, I didn't I'll be honest with you,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see it. I didn't see any hat Man whatever.
<v Speaker 2>But every time he would talk about it, I would
<v Speaker 2>get chills, like really really bad chills because I remember
<v Speaker 2>that experience when I was like a kid, really young,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, attic with my brother and stuff. So
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. It's just one of those Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I don't even like to think about it, man, because
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that manifests and counters it. But I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I don't mind talking about it.
<v Speaker 1>But you know what I mean, No, I know exactly
<v Speaker 1>what you're talking about. I've seen a shadow person before,
<v Speaker 1>and I can say from experience, just talking about it
<v Speaker 1>does cause things to happen. I mean, that's not gonna
<v Speaker 1>happen every time, but sometimes whenever you just acknowledge it,
<v Speaker 1>you know, it conjures up these things. And it's the
<v Speaker 1>same with Native Americans talking about evil spirits or cryptids.
<v Speaker 1>They don't want to talk about it because of that reason.
<v Speaker 1>And I've even had bigfoot experiences where we're talking about Bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>you know, camping on the river and all of a
<v Speaker 1>sudden sasquatch activity starts happening. But I mean, I can't
<v Speaker 1>really predict that stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know that I ever had a sasquatch experience.
<v Speaker 2>But there was one time in my life when I
<v Speaker 2>was really young, probably about nine years old, out at
<v Speaker 2>my mom's house. My mom, or well with my mom
<v Speaker 2>and my stepdad. They built this house down the mill
<v Speaker 2>of goddamn nowhere, and there was a little creek or
<v Speaker 2>whatever that we it was like part of our acreage
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And I used to like whenever it flooded,
<v Speaker 2>it would bring in like small fish and stuff. So
<v Speaker 2>I'd just sit down there and you know, throw hot dog,
<v Speaker 2>a little bitty tiny hook with a hot dog on
<v Speaker 2>it in the water and pull them out just for
<v Speaker 2>entertainment and throw them back. And there was one time
<v Speaker 2>that I was doing that, and I remember and like
<v Speaker 2>this could have this could have been anything, but it
<v Speaker 2>is kind of odd that it was like a rock
<v Speaker 2>maybe like the size of maybe about a half dollar,
<v Speaker 2>just like smacked me like in the temple, and I
<v Speaker 2>was just like, God, damn it, you know, I was like,
<v Speaker 2>what the heck? But that could have it could have
<v Speaker 2>fell off of something. I don't know. I'm not I'm
<v Speaker 2>not attributing that to Sasquatch at all, but I have
<v Speaker 2>heard they throw rocks at people, so I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it did. Maybe it was a Sasquatch. It was
<v Speaker 2>out in Cedar Hill, Missouri. I don't know if you
<v Speaker 2>do know where that's at.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know where that's it isn't Isn't that close
<v Speaker 1>to Potosi? I'm not sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yep it is. Yep. It's very very close to uh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Potosi six Flags kind of like Highway W you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I can I can say for sure that
<v Speaker 1>I've heard a dog man before. I think I was
<v Speaker 1>like eleven or twelve years old. It was in the summertime,
<v Speaker 1>I think around July or so, and I had the
<v Speaker 1>window open because it was hot. Back then we didn't
<v Speaker 1>have the AC like we do today. And I was
<v Speaker 1>watching Family Guy on the TV. I think it was
<v Speaker 1>like a Wednesday. I was watching it on Cartoon Network.
<v Speaker 1>I had my Compact Walmart computer on. I think I
<v Speaker 1>was like on all or I don't know, MySpace or something,
<v Speaker 1>and it was probably around like nine thirty ten at night,
<v Speaker 1>and then I heard this werewolf how. I mean this deep,
<v Speaker 1>guttural how. And I always talk about this encounter on
<v Speaker 1>my channel, and I say, it sounded like a PA
<v Speaker 1>system from Pops and Soaja Illinois is just like a
<v Speaker 1>deep I mean, it sounded like your classic Hollywood werewolf call,
<v Speaker 1>but just played through a giant PA system and it
<v Speaker 1>came from the woods and it lasted like seven seconds
<v Speaker 1>or so, and I mean my blood went cold. And
<v Speaker 1>as soon as that vocalization ended, I heard this scream,
<v Speaker 1>just like a like a woman being gutted basically, and
<v Speaker 1>I slammed the window shut. I got in my bed
<v Speaker 1>and put the covers over me, and I didn't come
<v Speaker 1>out till morning time, and I just wondered, like, what
<v Speaker 1>the heck was that it was a monster, or my
<v Speaker 1>brother was out there playing a prank on me, or
<v Speaker 1>maybe somebody set up a PA system out in the
<v Speaker 1>woods and was messing with me. I always talk about
<v Speaker 1>that encounter. And another one was off of the Merrimack River.
<v Speaker 1>Me and my buddy Bruce would road trip after school
<v Speaker 1>and one day it was almost nighttime. We were going
<v Speaker 1>down an old highway called Highway KK going towards Riverside Road,
<v Speaker 1>which leads you to the Merrimack River. But basically, when
<v Speaker 1>we were going down that highway, we saw eyeshine and
<v Speaker 1>it was a possum crossing the highway. So my buddy
<v Speaker 1>stepped on the on the pedal and you know, he
<v Speaker 1>was going like anywhere from seventy to eighty something miles
<v Speaker 1>an hour, and he was gonna hit that possum. And
<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking, like, what the heck is what
<v Speaker 1>are you doing?
<v Speaker 2>Man?
<v Speaker 1>And as soon as we got down that hill on
<v Speaker 1>the highway, this giant creature leaped out of the woods
<v Speaker 1>and it snatched up that possum, threw it in its
<v Speaker 1>mouth and like shook it around like a ragdoll and
<v Speaker 1>tore back off from the woods. But this creature looked
<v Speaker 1>like a giant blue pit bull, but its head was
<v Speaker 1>more like a wolf like, kind of like a hyena.
<v Speaker 1>And it was like this gray blue color, just like
<v Speaker 1>a blue pit But it had this mange around its
<v Speaker 1>neck that was like a lion, but the the hair
<v Speaker 1>was really short, and it seemed like its front legs
<v Speaker 1>were longer than the back legs. But the thing was
<v Speaker 1>the size of a lion, and I mean it was huge,
<v Speaker 1>A dove out of the woods and freaking snatched up
<v Speaker 1>this possum and ate it and we almost hit the
<v Speaker 1>thing and he slammed on his brakes and was like, WHOA,
<v Speaker 1>what was that? So whenever you were talking about that
<v Speaker 1>creature that was face down, how it had like a
<v Speaker 1>mange like, that's instantly what I thought about. And I
<v Speaker 1>always wondered, like, what the heck was that? Maybe it
<v Speaker 1>was like a like a wild dog out in the
<v Speaker 1>woods like K Joe. And then I started hearing about
<v Speaker 1>dog man encounters, and then later on I heard about
<v Speaker 1>hell hounds. I don't know if you ever heard about that, but.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the first place I ever heard of hell hounds
<v Speaker 2>was on Supernatural obviously, you know what I mean, because
<v Speaker 2>there's where they're invisible and they rip you apart. It's
<v Speaker 2>like the worst thing that could possibly happen to you
<v Speaker 2>is if a demon six a hell hound on you.
<v Speaker 2>That was but that was you know, that's completely fictional
<v Speaker 2>as far as we know. But that's the first time
<v Speaker 2>I ever heard about a hell hound. But I have
<v Speaker 2>heard different things about Mark Twain National Forest and stuff
<v Speaker 2>and hell hounds out there people seeing those, so that's
<v Speaker 2>at least that's what they call them. But yeah, I don't,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know as far as you know. It's one
<v Speaker 2>of those things where it's like I don't know, I don't.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I'm not one of those people that's gonna
<v Speaker 2>like pretend they know more than they do because I don't,
<v Speaker 2>so to speak. I just I just know what I've
<v Speaker 2>seen and stuff like that I've had. You know, I've
<v Speaker 2>had like other experiences with other types of stuff, but
<v Speaker 2>not in Missouri, so so like in Tennessee and North Carolina,
<v Speaker 2>I've had some weird experiences. It's weird that you say
<v Speaker 2>that about the thing that you saw there. There was
<v Speaker 2>one time when me and my ex girlfriend were driving
<v Speaker 2>back from camping and I looked over and I could
<v Speaker 2>have swort. There was a car and it was parked
<v Speaker 2>with the headlights on, and it looked like there was
<v Speaker 2>looks like there was a werewolf standing in front of it,
<v Speaker 2>but on all fours. But you know, this was one
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent of Hollywood looking werewolf. And I just remember
<v Speaker 2>being like, that's a statue, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>Like in my head, I was that's a statue, and
<v Speaker 2>I just looked away like I don't even know, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know what I'm seeing. I'm drunk like type thing
<v Speaker 2>is how my mind processed it. But it's weird that
<v Speaker 2>you said that because that was out. You know, if
<v Speaker 2>you take fifty five south or twenty one or whatever
<v Speaker 2>far enough, you're pretty much in the boonies, like off
<v Speaker 2>the old Piney River and stuff like that, or Who's
<v Speaker 2>on all that those type of areas. It was like
<v Speaker 2>close to it was in that that vicinity, or if
<v Speaker 2>you take Highway thirty past dim or you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So where exactly does this occur? You mentioned the
<v Speaker 1>who's all?
<v Speaker 2>So I'll me totally honest with you, I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>because this was before I was countrified. I guess if
<v Speaker 2>that makes it makes sense, So this is before I
<v Speaker 2>was countrified. But it was like or at least I guess,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know in the as far as country people
<v Speaker 2>would consider countrified. Like even though I've hunted and fished
<v Speaker 2>and done all that stuff my entire life, this would
<v Speaker 2>have been after you go down Highway thirty through Dimmer
<v Speaker 2>all the way and then there's like that. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if there's like that weird road that kind of
<v Speaker 2>either puts you on a highway going one direction or
<v Speaker 2>you know, going further south, but it's like a two
<v Speaker 2>lane highway or if it's even a highway, maybe it's
<v Speaker 2>just a road. I don't know, but it would have
<v Speaker 2>been in that general vicinity. But I don't I can't,
<v Speaker 2>I can't like give you a clear whatever because I
<v Speaker 2>don't remember. It's about two hours from Saint Louis going
<v Speaker 2>down grab Boys when it after it turns into Highway thirty.
<v Speaker 2>Does that makes sense?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so west of Cedar Hill Lakes on Dettmar Grave
<v Speaker 1>Voice Road.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the further so, like because you know how
<v Speaker 2>graveloys you take it all the way it turns into
<v Speaker 2>Highway thirty or well that they just start calling it
<v Speaker 2>Highway thirty after that point. But yeah, that general direction
<v Speaker 2>kind of I don't know. And then I'm trying to think.
<v Speaker 2>I've got like I could think of some other stuff,
<v Speaker 2>like in Eureka, have you ever heard we used to
<v Speaker 2>call it the KKK House, But I don't I don't
<v Speaker 2>know why we called it that. I'm pretty sure that
<v Speaker 2>was just a rumor. But I remember reading there was
<v Speaker 2>a rock that had like a gulagee or whatever for
<v Speaker 2>the person that lived there. And he was not a
<v Speaker 2>good person. I looked it up. I looked him up,
<v Speaker 2>and he was not a good person. And that house
<v Speaker 2>was ridiculously there was we were trying to. So we
<v Speaker 2>had went back there. We'd been there like before, and
<v Speaker 2>you could actually go inside and stuff, you know, because
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of rotted down. And there were a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of little houses that were slave houses, I think,
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, and or you know, whatever you
<v Speaker 2>want to call that. And then when we went back there,
<v Speaker 2>and we were down there and they had everything boarded up,
<v Speaker 2>and it was so boarded up. We had baseball bats
<v Speaker 2>and axes, were like trying to bust the stores down.
<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden we look over in one
<v Speaker 2>of those houses the light turned on, and then the
<v Speaker 2>rest of them all turned on, and I swear to god,
<v Speaker 2>it was like a scene from Texas Chainsaw Maasker, minus
<v Speaker 2>the guy with the chainsaw or the ghosts or anything.
<v Speaker 2>But we were all so scared we just took off
<v Speaker 2>running back for the car, jumped the fence, and as
<v Speaker 2>we're jumping the fence, the train goes by. And that's
<v Speaker 2>one thing that always happened. Every time we went there
<v Speaker 2>was a train would go by, which is probably coincidence
<v Speaker 2>because there's a train track there, so you know trains
<v Speaker 2>are going to go by. But I don't know. We
<v Speaker 2>always thought of that as a weird paranormal place too.
<v Speaker 2>It had it had like a it looked like it
<v Speaker 2>had like an upside down cross on it and hooks,
<v Speaker 2>and it was very It was disturbing, to say the least.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. I was so young that I
<v Speaker 2>can't just like zombie road and stuff like that. I'm
<v Speaker 2>sure you've heard of that place.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's some haunted areas near Saint Louis County, and
<v Speaker 1>I think it has something to do with what we
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier. As far as the city being built on
<v Speaker 1>top of Native American grounds.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure. And I mean a lot of those
<v Speaker 2>were burial grounds. I mean that's what that was from
<v Speaker 2>what i've you know, as far as historically from whatever,
<v Speaker 2>I know a lot a lot about history, so a
<v Speaker 2>lot more. I guess I know more about the street
<v Speaker 2>than I do about cryptids. And then I'm pot a
<v Speaker 2>lot of may, so I'm like I've got enough pot
<v Speaker 2>a lot of May and me too. I could. I
<v Speaker 2>could go get my rest card if I wanted to,
<v Speaker 2>but I wasn't born there, and I don't. Well it's
<v Speaker 2>just one of the things. But yeah, as far as
<v Speaker 2>my mom, she's she's like I want to say, I
<v Speaker 2>want to say, she's about seventy percent or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>And then the rest is Scandinavian. So we've got we've
<v Speaker 2>got some dark roots going in our family, so to speak.
<v Speaker 2>None on my dad's side, he's I guess they call
<v Speaker 2>it Prussian or something. I don't know. It's another form
<v Speaker 2>of I guess we call them now Vikings, another form
<v Speaker 2>of that. And then he's got that in German, which
<v Speaker 2>is the same thing. My last name, literally in Old
<v Speaker 2>Germanic translates to fight. That's all it means rude. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so as far as my bloodline and history goes, definitely
<v Speaker 2>would be. I don't know, I know, I don't know shit.
<v Speaker 2>Actually reality, I don't know a whole lot about it.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I just know.
<v Speaker 2>What it means. I'm not welcated. I should probably go
<v Speaker 2>look that up and speak to my distant cousins and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. I just haven't. I haven't been able
<v Speaker 2>to do that yet. I haven't had that opportunity, but
<v Speaker 2>at some point I do want to go back to
<v Speaker 2>that place. You know. Once I started to get into
<v Speaker 2>like really reading about it and realizing that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>that experience that I have was real, I didn't I
<v Speaker 2>didn't hallucinate it or whatever. I didn't just hit my
<v Speaker 2>head that hard, you know what I mean. Once I
<v Speaker 2>figured that out, I you know, I just kind of
<v Speaker 2>got into just the idea of instead of doing a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of research, I just got into the idea of
<v Speaker 2>why not just get the proper like, start getting the
<v Speaker 2>proper equipment and start figuring that bar out, and then
<v Speaker 2>you could do that. You really don't need to do
<v Speaker 2>the research. You just got to put yourself out in
<v Speaker 2>this situation and then see what happens. That's the way
<v Speaker 2>that I've been looking at it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I'd like to visit the Kahokia Mounds sometime in
<v Speaker 1>the near future. I just didn't want to go there
<v Speaker 1>by myself. I'm like, oh, you know, that part of
<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis kind of I don't know, it makes me anxious.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean, well, yeah, that's not even Saint Louis.
<v Speaker 2>That's all annoyed.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that part of Illinois.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, and it's I mean, you've been to
<v Speaker 2>pop so you played. I mean, if you if you
<v Speaker 2>need somebody to go with, just fit me up. I'll
<v Speaker 2>go with him. I don't care. I've been there. I'm
<v Speaker 2>not scared. I'm not scared to go to the mounds.
<v Speaker 2>I've been so since I did the like, so, how
<v Speaker 2>we did this interview, like where I actually got to
<v Speaker 2>tell a story and make sure everything's factual and not
<v Speaker 2>over exaggerated, not narrated, not AI created, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, not like that, because last time that I
<v Speaker 2>told the story to somebody, it was you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, over embellished and stuff like that. And I
<v Speaker 2>was just like, I don't know, I want, I just want.
<v Speaker 2>I want to set the record straight, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, let everybody know, this is this is how
<v Speaker 2>it happened for real. All that extra shit that was embellished.
<v Speaker 2>This guy made a movie pretty much or a small
<v Speaker 2>movie about it. That's not what I wanted to hear.
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to just set the record straight, let the
<v Speaker 2>people know this is what happened. I didn't see the
<v Speaker 2>full body of the thing. You know, when I shot
<v Speaker 2>it in the hand or anything. I didn't see that.
<v Speaker 2>I just I saw the shape behind the foliage. And
<v Speaker 2>when I say foliage, I mean like, you know, just
<v Speaker 2>like a a thick bunch of branches, so to speak,
<v Speaker 2>in an arm. That's all I saw originally when I
<v Speaker 2>shot it and when it made that noise. And it's
<v Speaker 2>kind of funny because you described the pretty much described
<v Speaker 2>it the same way. I mean, as far as the
<v Speaker 2>sound that you said you heard through your through your
<v Speaker 2>window or whatever, like the guttural gutt o grawl and
<v Speaker 2>the woman's screaming or whatever, woman being gutted.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, was the house similar like how I described it,
<v Speaker 1>just that deep. I mean, not even like a wolf,
<v Speaker 1>I mean like a Hollywood wear a wolf call.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but just more I mean raspy, you know more,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, more just like a monster, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. It had a more monstrous sound to it,
<v Speaker 2>like almost like if you could somehow find a way
<v Speaker 2>to mix like the roar of a lion into that,
<v Speaker 2>like just a deeper, much much deeper sound, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I know exactly what you mean. And I
<v Speaker 1>can't really even describe what I heard because whenever I
<v Speaker 1>had that experience, That's what I said. A monster Like
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing else out there that could do that, No coyote,
<v Speaker 1>no wolf, like, no person. This was something that you've
<v Speaker 1>never heard in your life.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, like not even I mean the most hardcore metal
<v Speaker 2>band couldn't you know, he couldn't even conjure up that.
<v Speaker 2>There's no way it was. Yeah, it was nuts. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>anytime you want to go to Koke Mounts, I got
<v Speaker 2>no problem, I got you know what I mean. I
<v Speaker 2>could take you there or whatever, or you could meet
<v Speaker 2>meet up with me in my place, my neighborhood and
<v Speaker 2>we can go there from there or whatever. That'd be
<v Speaker 2>cool because I do want to do I got I
<v Speaker 2>want to get like drone shots from there, and I
<v Speaker 2>do want to try to find somewhere close to that
<v Speaker 2>river bank and just for like a night, just camp
<v Speaker 2>out there and see just see what goes down, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. It's been something that I've been
<v Speaker 2>wanting to do for a really really long time, like
<v Speaker 2>ever since I started paying attention to all this kind
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. And then, like you know, there's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of other stuff that when I was in North Carolina
<v Speaker 2>AND's gonna see, like I, I guarantee you that I
<v Speaker 2>had to have been I had to have the people,
<v Speaker 2>the whatever that I encountered out there had to have been,
<v Speaker 2>like there was something not right about those people, if
<v Speaker 2>that makes any sense.
<v Speaker 1>What did you encounter out there?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, most people, I guess would say they're feral people,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. It's one of those. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I could quickly shorten it for you. I had friends
<v Speaker 2>that were growing they were growing weed up there in
<v Speaker 2>the mountains and stuff like that. You know, it's before
<v Speaker 2>we was legal. I was nineteen, so that would have
<v Speaker 2>been ten. I would have been fourteen years ago. So
<v Speaker 2>they were growing weed up there and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 2>and they're all brothers and whatever. And I was doing
<v Speaker 2>some other sketchy stuff like I've always like I had
<v Speaker 2>always done in my life. So and we had figured
<v Speaker 2>out the grade weed that they had. They could only
<v Speaker 2>get a certain amount from the people that they were
<v Speaker 2>selling it to, Whereas I had a buyer that would
<v Speaker 2>pay more. And I could take the weed that the
<v Speaker 2>guy was giving me to drop it off to drop off,
<v Speaker 2>and I could give that to them and they could
<v Speaker 2>sell that for more because it was a different grade.
<v Speaker 2>It was being shipped, you know, from California. So and
<v Speaker 2>then but I could take their stuff, package it the
<v Speaker 2>same way and get that guy the same amount. Nobody
<v Speaker 2>would notice, so you know what I mean, or at
<v Speaker 2>least on the other end, they wouldn't notice. We could
<v Speaker 2>only do this one time. We made like pretty good
<v Speaker 2>amount of money off of it. But their grandpa was
<v Speaker 2>he only had one arm, and like he had told me,
<v Speaker 2>like he was like because he used to hut. I get.
<v Speaker 2>I never realized people hunted raccoons and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 2>and I don't even know what they what do you
<v Speaker 2>hunt raccoon for? But anyways, he had got one up
<v Speaker 2>in a tree or whatever and shot it. And then
<v Speaker 2>the next thing he knew, he was being dragged by
<v Speaker 2>his feet, and then he was in a shed and
<v Speaker 2>he had his arms, his arms were tied up or
<v Speaker 2>whatever this was. And this is a story that he
<v Speaker 2>told me. I didn't believe it for a second when
<v Speaker 2>I was here in the so I was like, I
<v Speaker 2>don't fuck, what the fuck? This guy's just trying to
<v Speaker 2>scare me so that if we get you know, the
<v Speaker 2>park rangers or somebody shows up, like he's just trying
<v Speaker 2>to scare a shit out of me. So if park
<v Speaker 2>Rangers show up, I'm the trigger happy one because they
<v Speaker 2>all think I'm some dumb city boy type shit. Anyways,
<v Speaker 2>and then he woke up and the next thing he knew,
<v Speaker 2>he heard gunshot. You could hear people like babbling outside,
<v Speaker 2>but he couldn't understand what they're saying. Then he heard gunshots,
<v Speaker 2>and his dad burst to the door with his uncle,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, they have big families out in the South,
<v Speaker 2>got him out. Whatever woke up in the hospital didn't
<v Speaker 2>have an arm and I was just like, okay, whatever.
<v Speaker 2>And then we're up there hacking down the plants to
<v Speaker 2>get them ready to dry them for the next drop
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. You know, fast forward quite a bit. We're
<v Speaker 2>doing that and it's another freaking situation where I got
<v Speaker 2>hit with a god dang rock. I'm sorry, hopefully and
<v Speaker 2>edit that up. And it was it was a big
<v Speaker 2>hit me right in the chest. I fell backwards on
<v Speaker 2>my friend Ray and he got up and he picked
<v Speaker 2>me up, and we could hear the gunfire or whatever
<v Speaker 2>from his two brothers. So he had two brothers on
<v Speaker 2>the left, two brothers on the right, or the gunfire
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, the Toyota four Runner pulls up
<v Speaker 2>right to us, and the headlights illuminated and there were
<v Speaker 2>I swear it had to have been thirty people, and
<v Speaker 2>it looked like they looked deformed, but at the same time,
<v Speaker 2>it almost wasn't like they were deformed. It literally looked
<v Speaker 2>like something it bit them in the like some of
<v Speaker 2>them like you know, maybe missing ears or had their
<v Speaker 2>eye stewed shut, have an eye sewed shut, and every
<v Speaker 2>scars and this and that all over, missing fingers like
<v Speaker 2>and you know, so I only caught a glimpse of
<v Speaker 2>it again, just like I mean, and I was just like,
<v Speaker 2>what in the fuck? F uh you know? Am I
<v Speaker 2>looking at? And then I'm in the truck and Dad
<v Speaker 2>we get back. They were yelling at me because I
<v Speaker 2>I went back and grabbed like some plans, because I
<v Speaker 2>was like, what a waste, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>In my head, I'm thinking this is a total waste.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize his brothers had already got him, got
<v Speaker 2>enough for what we needed, and we're slowing down the
<v Speaker 2>mountain and this Forerunner, you know, it's jacked up four runner.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know anything about Toyo fore Runners,
<v Speaker 2>like from the late eighties early nineties, but you could
<v Speaker 2>you could take them things anywhere you want to, as
<v Speaker 2>long as you got the right tires on them, and
<v Speaker 2>they can fit through stuff like those you know, big
<v Speaker 2>boy trucks that everybody's all proud of and stuff that
<v Speaker 2>are all shiny. Like they couldn't do nearly what those
<v Speaker 2>fore runners can do. But so we're plowing down the
<v Speaker 2>mountain whatever and they literally these people are throwing themselves
<v Speaker 2>at the freaking truck, and I was like, should we
<v Speaker 2>be shooting at them? They were like, they can't get
<v Speaker 2>to the metal stupid, like, you know, this is the
<v Speaker 2>best way I could word the way they just said it.
<v Speaker 2>I can't They're a metal stupid Like okay, shitet whatever
<v Speaker 2>you say. Man. But anyways, I don't know that I
<v Speaker 2>would say that would be my That was a fairal
<v Speaker 2>person experience, and that was That's another thing that I
<v Speaker 2>want to investigate at some time at some point.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that would be the area that they're at.
<v Speaker 1>I heard that they used to be in North Carolina
<v Speaker 1>and they were run off into the mountains in Tennessee.
<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, And that would make sense because it was
<v Speaker 2>so many years ago, so any you know, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I just want to find and prove something, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Because it's like it's like once you've
<v Speaker 2>actually had had those experiences and you know that nobody
<v Speaker 2>believes you. Nobody, nobody, nobody listening to you fully believes you.
<v Speaker 2>No one's ever gonna believe you until you have solid evidence.
<v Speaker 2>So it's like to me, that's just like, that's why
<v Speaker 2>I want. That's why I need. I need to I
<v Speaker 2>need to have some form of physical evidence or a
<v Speaker 2>really good photo that you know, cannot be debunked where
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh that's AI or whatever, like no, it's
<v Speaker 2>a real photo that was taken it this time, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, or something. I mean, you gotta
<v Speaker 2>figure something out to where it can't be debunked, I guess.
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's the only goal that I have with
<v Speaker 2>all of this. Like I mean, I could tell stories
<v Speaker 2>about it all day or whatever, or well, I can't
<v Speaker 2>tell them all day because I don't have that many.
<v Speaker 2>But I can tell stories about it, but I can't
<v Speaker 2>until I've got this evidence. That's that's real proof, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, when you encounter something like this, It gets
<v Speaker 1>in your blood and you want to prove it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, I mean, and I got I got two
<v Speaker 2>drones now, I got an FX thirty Sony with a
<v Speaker 2>Tamron lins. I got a bunch of different stuff, plenty
<v Speaker 2>of guns, that's for sure. So that's definitely something that
<v Speaker 2>I want to try to make time for. It's just
<v Speaker 2>really hard with life, you know, being an adult. I
<v Speaker 2>wish I was that age again and had an interest
<v Speaker 2>in it and YouTube and the world was popping off
<v Speaker 2>the way it is.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, okay, Josh, Well, do you have any other
<v Speaker 1>encounters or experiences you'd like to share?
<v Speaker 2>All right? I mean right now, don know, I feel
<v Speaker 2>like we've been we've been going on for quite a while.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, absolutely, Okay. Well we'll talk more in the
<v Speaker 1>future about visiting the Kahokiah Mounds. And I really do
<v Speaker 1>appreciate you for getting in contact with me and sharing
<v Speaker 1>your dog man encounter here on sasquatch theory and truly
<v Speaker 1>means a lot to me.
<v Speaker 2>Man. Absolutely, you have a one.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you too. You take care of yourself. Okay, we'll
<v Speaker 1>do you too, all right, see you man, All right, Josh,
<v Speaker 1>thank you very much for sharing your dog man encounter
<v Speaker 1>here on sasquatch theory, and I am sure that this
<v Speaker 1>experience terrified you for many years and you wondered what
<v Speaker 1>the heck this was, And like you said, it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>until you started listening to the cryptid subject and heard
<v Speaker 1>more about dog Man that you concluded that's what I
<v Speaker 1>encountered that day, and that's what I took a shot on.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what it was, but I knew it
<v Speaker 1>wasn't normal. And these things are out there, guys. I've
<v Speaker 1>heard one before. I know, I got a lot of
<v Speaker 1>stories and it sounds unbelievable, but what I heard sounded
<v Speaker 1>like a monster. Josh nailed it on the head. It's
<v Speaker 1>a vocalization that cannot be reproduced. When you hear something
<v Speaker 1>like that, it will terrify you and there's nothing else
<v Speaker 1>that can compare to it. Josh's dog man encounter was
<v Speaker 1>very similar to the report that I took from Youngstown, Ohio,
<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was very interesting that both areas
<v Speaker 1>have mounds nearby, and they're both known to be kind
<v Speaker 1>of crappy areas to live in in the United States,
<v Speaker 1>and both witnesses claim that there were wild dogs running
<v Speaker 1>around in the area, and the color of the creature's
<v Speaker 1>eyes were both the same. I don't know. For some reason,
<v Speaker 1>something's telling me that this activity is connected with the
<v Speaker 1>mounds and the giants. I'm not really sure. It's just
<v Speaker 1>a theory, and I believe somehow the giants are trapped
<v Speaker 1>in tween and possibly they're able to manifest into flesh
<v Speaker 1>and blood creatures. But it's really hard to say. Guys.
<v Speaker 1>It's nearly impossible to explain one mystery with another, and
<v Speaker 1>it's almost impossible to get physical evidence when you're concluding
<v Speaker 1>that it has to do with the spiritual. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's all we have for today. I appreciate everyone for listening,
<v Speaker 1>Take care of everyone, and until the next one, be
<v Speaker 1>safe out in the forest.