#102 - Dave Cohen - Musician + Studio Pianist + One of Nashville's Most Prominent Session Players

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Bobby Cast Episode one oh two. About to play for you Dave Cohen, who I've worked with a few times, and I think I'm the lowest on his total poll of people he's worked with. And I think you'll understand is we talked back and forth, but I don't want it to be lost in the interview how talented and well respected this guy is as a session piano slash keyboard player. Because for us, when we were doing the Raging Idiots album, the record label was gonna pay whatever amount of money, and I said, hey, I want the best guy, and that's how I met Dave Cohen because he was a guy that was in running all the people playing on the record and he was playing piano, and we got a long, great personality. You'll see two on my Instagram when I posted a picture of Dave and I all the artists posting below that going Dave, Dave, do you say that, Mike? Everybody knows Dave. So we haven't had a session player in yet, and that means when we were recording our records, or anyone for that matter, mostly anyone more than us. But I just know from my personal experience there's a guitar player, there's an acoustic guitar player, there's a piano player, there's a drummer, and they're all in the studio making music. And there's a band leader. And Dave was the band leader on our records and mini records, but I wanted to bring him in and you're gonna hear that. So that's coming up. I do want to say to that I'm all out on the road and if you guys want to come to a show about to head out in a few weeks, mas I record this. It's February, but March, April, May June my Red Hoodie Comedy Tour. Just go to Bobby Bones Comedy dot com and tickets to that or there. A lot of them are sold out, but some aren't let to see you at be it. Other than that, let's get started here with Dave Cohen like session player extraordin here on all the albums you've heard this guy played piano and you had no idea. So here we go Upisode one or two of the Bobby Cast. All right, welcome back, introduce yourself, Please find guests. My name is Dave. Dave go on I no day from we've worked together, and I think I always felt guilty because Dave is what I would call. First of all, I knew you was a session player who came in and I think we're recrutting a Raging Idiots album two years ago maybe, and you were the friendly guy that made me. Although I knew I was bad, you were like, who cares, Let's just have fun, you said on the piano. Yeah, I do believe you were a session leader, and so you ran all the musicians and we would do songs. Afterward, we'd say on the piano, we just but I felt very comfortable with You're very warm, thank you, and then we did it again and yeah, and it's working. Yeah, well it's it's it's I don't know if it's working. And it definitely holds its place as I stare on the wall. There's a big old number one comedy album. You played on that record, probably your greatest achievement except for a lot here that has nothing to do with me, and as much bigger. So I say session player because it's I knew you, and then I would see you out playing like I think the c M as in the house bandmas Um. I think I ran into you. Afterward, I think we were maybe the honors. We were talking outside, So then I started to go, Okay, this guy's not just popping studio to studio being an expert piano player. He also goes and plays expertly as house band. Sure you do it all. I played the piano. Yeah, different rooms. I was. I was reading and stuff about you because I have to be kind of a stalker for this part of it, right, which worried me because definitely when I was doing my research for this, of course, like the first I'm like looking looking like Dan Huff, Sure listen to that, and then it's like the this is your life with Dan Huff and I'm like, oh my gosh, what that d was good? That was juicy. There was like I was geeking out on that one. So you say, you play piano, but you started playing keys keyboards? Yeah, that went home. I was five. Is something that came to naturally. I was over at my grandparents friend's house. So the story goes, I mean I was there, but I don't really remember much of it, but basically he my grandfather's friend, showed me Twinkled Twinkle, Little Star or something like that, and by the end of the afternoon, I put on my own little concert and played Twinkled twink a Little Star, And as parents read into every little thing, that was like, well, Dave's gotta you gotta pursue that. And you're not just a piano player, even a good piano player. To make work as a session player, you really have to be elite because you're playing on records. For For before I became into Nashville and listening to music, I just thought everybody played with their band, sure, And then I would start to see documentaries, even the Wrecking Crew documentary. I thought these arts just showed up with their band and they made a record. Like in the sixties, seventies, eighties, even the nineties. Some when when the hoodies and the collective souls here in town. That's not really how it works. That is not often how it works. And there's a lot of bands that are doing that and you hear it and it's awesome and it's a thing. But a lot of the time in Nashville it's I WoT say, it's such a machine, but the the pace at which music is written, demoed, pitched, recorded and sent out to the radio, and that kind of thing doesn't leave a lot of time to make records at the pace that hood he would have made their records, or a lot of take the take the time, and the those days of like you know they when you watch Tom Petty documentaries where they spent all the entire week getting drum sounds and then undid all of that and started all over again. That's awesome and that's an amazing way to make a record, but it doesn't work necessarily in the Nashville time scale. You talk about demos just so people know, I'll give an example of what a demo would be. Let's say that Lori McKenna and another writer or two they write a song and they need to record it so they can pitch it so it sounds really good, so they can pitch it to Tim McGraw. You'll go and record it with Lori singing it, make it sound awesome, and then you get that. And that's what a demo is as compared to when these songs, these are real life songs totally they go on records. Yeah, so demo is basically a union scale. But the thought is, yeah, as far as being able to pitch asade you if you're a songwriter and you want to show Rascal Flats this song that you wrote for them. Sometimes it's tough with just the song, if you're with your iPhone recording from you in the songwriting room, it's tough to show them with the vision that you see for the song. So you bring it into a demo session and you can knock out, you know, five or six songs in a three hour period. It's not it's not a finished recording. It's not a it's not a record, it's not supposed to be released. It's just something that this is in the vein. And so the songwriter will come to the demo session and go, we're thinking Rascal Flats on this, So yeah, do your best Rascal Flats and yeah, so well you do. For most of the days. You go from studio to studio and you'll sit down at whatever piano type instrument they have there and then play it right that or I definitely have my gear that shows up there. So there's some there's a whole industry in Nashville called cartage, and so shout out to Larry Freakins and Pockets and Jordan's the three guys that take care of my gear and I text them at the beginning of the week say I'll be here, here and here, and my keyboard world sort of magically appears up. You're going studio to studio, and I wonder, when you think back, what are some of the biggest songs that you've been a part of. Ah, I mean I think right now? Uh, well, Chris Young Losing Sleep? So you play the keys on Losing Sleep? Yes, can you hear your keys? That's funny. I had a conversation literally yesterday with my dad that goes, he goes, I can hear your son, but I don't know, I can't hear you. And for the most part, it's the type of thing where i'd go a lot of the time the keyboards and Nashville are supporting role. Um. You know, you don't hear a lot of piano solos anymore, a lot of keyboard solos. Um. So a lot of what I do is pads and background stuff where if you I always tell me that if you muted it, you'd miss it. But oft times it's it's not about the keyboards. How about this one? Because I have a whole list of songs here. How often are you in the studio with the artist persons not at all. Um, it all depends. I mean, some some artists are they're all the time. When some artists just due to their touring schedule and whatever, they'll either sing vocals ahead of time, or they'll be there for the first day of tracking or almost always there there as much as they physically can be. But oft times they can't be there, which is why I didn't get to meet the back Street Boys. So you did not meet the Bay I didn't. Who have you been in the studio with where you're like, man, they are really freaking special. Honestly. Kid Rock was a really sweet, genuine, laid back honest you know hey, I mean Bob, I was like, okay cool Kid Rock, Yeah, Okay, Mr Rock Yeah, okay, m yeah totally and he he sang and his instincts are like artists, the artists that have been there a long time. They're not always virtuosic musicians, and they're not necessarily virtuosic songwriters or this or that. Every artists sort of has the thing that they're great at and they you know, are able to make up for other deficiencies and other things. But the one constant thing with Big artists successful people that I've noticed is just their instincts. Um. Steven Tyler was another. You work with him on his country project? Yes? What was he like? Because I geeked out when he here to the radio studio And it was weird with Steven Tyler because the first time I met him, I thought, this is one of the coolest things I've ever done, because he's, um, maybe the biggest American rock star alive. Like, think about who would be who would beat Steven Tyler. Dave Grohl would be up there, but he doesn't have the lunch yet. Yeah. I mean it's like on on classic rock radio. I mean there's not many people that are still still kicking it. You know, it's like Bob Seegers still tours and still tours. But who would you put up on that right now? Living Mount Rushmore of rock because I think Steven Tyler is up. I think Dave Grohl is up. American American. Yeah, you can't put Bono, he's in Ireland. You can't put the Yeah, exactly, there's the international dudes. What about the Eagles would you put? I'd put the Eagles. I mean they're classic with Vince Gill and they won a super Bowl and everything. It was well, yeah, I would put Nick Foles on, but as far as I mean, I don't know was he able to still sing it? Steven Tyler like, I mean, he's he's saying as good that just him running scratch vocals in the studio is was just as good as as anything. Hearing him and you're a little bit oh my gosh, like and and leading up to it, he'd been he didn't. He did a lot of writing in town, so I'd play on demos where he would have pre recorded his voice, but he wasn't there. And and that just turning up the vocal fader on your cue box there and hearing hearing Steven Tyler's like, my god, that's so cool. And he is as far as talking about instincts like what he him and Kid Rock and any of those people that have had the long career is just there. Should it be A or B? They go, should be be and they're right. And sometimes they'll they'll sing a thing and I'll go, they'll sing a part to me, and I'll kind of go like, of course, I'll entertain and I'll do it in my head. I'm going there And that's not gonna work, but sure enough, I play that thing. And then he goes, gay, man, get on guitar and play that thing, and and in ten fifteen that's there's like a whole the whole part of the song that that I didn't hear. And this was in his head and just his his gut told him that that was the thing to do. I remember talking to Steven Tyler and we were off to the side and I said, hey, um, I asked him about Freddie Mercury. I say, because again, when I get to do these type things, I get to ask questions that I would never ask in human because it would just be too intrusive. If I'm like, hey, Steven Tyler, I know we're at dinner about Freddie Mercury, but I could just say, hey, so did you know Freddy Mercury. I'm a huge Queen fan. I think if Queen were alive right now, their sound is still currently one of the few I think, Biggie Queen, there are a few of those acts that if you put them in right now, they still oddly work. And I was talking about Queen and he said, yeah, man, very easy to be on the front of our bus. He said, we talked for like a year together, and but he'd stay up in the very front of the bus with me and he goes, I don't ober any of it because I was so out of my mind. And I thought that was so funny. Even when I asked him about music, I said, hey, what what was the change for you guys? Because they went a long time without being big, you know, late seventies, the Boston Band, they weren't big. They didn't have a number one I don't think until the Arma Getting song, even though they had all the songs that but that was their first number one song. I said, what, you know, what was it? And he goes, I'm gonna tell you, man, we were doing I'll stop doing my impression. But he said they were doing sweet emotion. He said it was the first time that anyone and just said, let's just start with the chorus because they just go it just started to sweet, and he goes, that changed it for us. We thought we can now do whatever we want with music. It doesn't matter anymore, absolutely, And and that's the type of thing that you can experiment like today with pro tools and computers, you can go, what if this and you just two or three key strokes and then the whole you know, the first choruses flowed to the beginning of the infro and you can kind of see but two pick that up in your head and to and to think that that might be a good idea is what makes it special. You just see so many artists. I mean you you work with every day, somebody's singing where you are. Yeah, you just see so many great that do you ever lose the concept that everyone's really You're working with great people all the time, so when someone really pops through, you're just like, oh good god. Yeah, Like I haven't been struck like that with just a singer that kicks so much as she is incredible. And I spent a couple of days in the studio and with her and just she had scratch of a coals. She didn't have to sing. She could have sat in the control room and just kind of oversaw everything. But she goes, I think I can let me, let me go out there and sing it with the band, and and just not wormed up. She just belted it out and it was I mean, it was Carrie Underwood. Remember, I've been able to do some cool things that I shouldn't be able to do, and I get to sing and do it with Carrie Underwood played on that. So I wasn't in the studio that day, but so she came and sang with you guys because she's saying, I'm the first record, and I know you guys were doing the record. And but then we sang together at the rheman and so I'm doing the thing and I'm singing apart and Carrie comes out and we're looking at each other. She started singing, and again, I like, you get to hear good people sing all the time on my radio studio. It sounds like alien was coming out of her mouth. It was that strong. It was so perfect and that strong. And rumor is with Carrie is that she doesn't allow you to manipulate her voice on a record. She has to get exactly right and you don't use it. And that's it's she sings that good that she's like, I'm using my real voice. That's it. Yeah, there's no auto tuning, there's no fixings. Let me talk about this for one second. Blue Apron it comes right to your house and they deliver fresh preportion ingredients, step by step recipes right to your door that can be cooked and under forty five minutes. The menu changes every week based on what's in season, based on what's designed by the Blue Apron in house culinary team. You can make things and it comes to your house and you can sit there for three days, four days, and whenever you feel like it. Make things like strip steak and potatoes with spicy maple collared greens. The point is you can make this when you want, and you can actually cook it, because there's a car that tells you if I can do it, you can do it. 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Did you think did you know what it? At that point I had already been in a band and quit the band. And to be the best one of the band, no, you had to be You're an expert of what you know. You had to have been the best one if you ranked everyone in Madden and your other dudes we went. They were friends from music school. So as far as I mean, as far as playing ability, that's that's the thing with especially in session land here in Nashville. It's we're not making jazz Odyssey records. It's it's not rocket science music. So often the playing thing is it's about it's such about nuance. It's not really about the virtuosity or the who can play fast and who can play the you know that sort of thing when you think of who's the who's the best piano player in the world. But to counter your point, there are so many great players that the greatest of great are the ones that get the jobs even if you don't need them for the reason that they're so great. Sure, does that make sense, Absolutely, because if there're a lot of good players, and there's a lot of great players and they both want to play a mediocre level, you took with the best player. Absolutely. I think good music can be played well as easily as good music can be played poorly. I also believe that bad music can be played well and bad music can be played poorly. And so the big picture of going into the studio is me going, whatever the music is, it can be played well. How do you do that? Was it hard for you to live in America as a citizen because I have friends that it's impossible, it's hard for them to become I'm definitely not a citizen. I have a green card. And was that hard to get? Yes? Really expensive and really hard and really took a long time, and I had work visas before that, and and yeah, I mean I I'd never worked today in the in this country illegally, um. And that cost a lot of money. That was I don't think a lot of people can could could do that. Um. Not to mention the way like I used music as the work visa, so I hadn't know one visa, which is in their words, an extraordinary talent visa, the extraordinary alien. So audition for them. We have to hire a lawyer to them to tell them the lawyer talk. So you moved the States ten years ago, and how do you get into the session game? I was way not even close to session game. I was still My goal was to to be on the road, So I was. I moved here with a road gig. I toured for a long long time with a I would know. Uh, yeah, I mean I toured with Joe Nichols was my first gig that I landed here in Nashville, and I was with him for a bunch of years, and I did uh. I spent a year subbing for a good friend of mine, UM when he was on and off the road with Big and Rich. So I, oh boy, you got two parties right there, depending on when you got Joe, you got to two parties. I got chilled out Joe and uh and I got you got big and they are there, Yeah, they come how they come? So you're on the road with Joe bigger to anybody else. I mean, I played with Winona, and I've played with Casey Musgraves, and I've i've I've subbed in and and sort of appeared with people. How do you get those gigs? Because I saw you playing the CMA then the house band at CMAS, right, how do you get that gig? Uh? That gig came through h Is it just your the best? And is that really what? They just look for the best of the best. There's a short list of the best. That's why I just see the house band and I go, oh, I've I've seen and worked with a bunch of these guys, and so I know three or four of you. I'll say success breeds six sess and definitely people in those higher pressure situations, people don't want to take chances with people that they don't know whether or not they're good. They could be the best player, but if the band leader, um, who was Derek wells um guitar player. When he put that band together, he is gonna put people, but he's comfortable with and he knows what's the job. Right. Does pay dose gigs pay well for doing like the house band gig? Sure? Are they just union scale or is it better than that? There's union scale? And I think that there's whenever they re er it, there's another little little chunk and play. Yes, let's see you play on this jam. Much like a songwriter, I'll say, hey, if you it's Sometimes they remember when I wrote the song. Sometimes they don't if I played this song. Can you erectly playing this song? I literally remember this. Yes, Laurence another one who just sings her brains out, one of the best. We recorded that a while ago. I remember maybe it took a minute for it to come out. Um we recorded a while ago before that, but I definitely remember. I definitely remember that Buzby producing that, and he was Buzby is an amazing visceral producer, like he is somebody that gets really into it. And he'll mind drum fills for the for the drummer through the glass and and he had at that that day, he had a flashlight and we were playing down and he if he something came to him, like an idea or something like that, he would kind of flash this flashlight through the glass and get get my attention and or get the drummer's attention and drumfill here or something like that. So you're watching his cues. Yeah, I mean it was more like that was in the moment, and then I'll take that into account for the next take. It's funny. I'm looking at saw the stuff that you've been on and it's a lot of the artists. And again, we weren't a town where there's a lot of greatness and then there are people who are great dirt inside the grounds. It's a very talented town. It's like the major leagues where you move you play your minor league all into the places and you come here and I'll play you. Lucy Silva's and same. I love her, Yes, you're in your distinctly in this. It was I can hear that. Yeah, that comes on, you know exactly. She's so good, right. She She's also somebody that I knew and obviously now and they're married, she's yeah, but I mean I knew her before they were married, Um, and before then she's I mean, she's a successful artist in the UK before she even god here, like she's been killing it. She did a Metallica cover that ended up being a top ten song in the UK. She's really incredible and for some reason, as close as I am, because she's one of the people that I really enjoyed. I've been friends and I took her out on the road and we've had you know, we totally and uh, I've never brought her in almost because we're too close of friends, Lucy, and it's been I just haven't made that call. But you don't want to call your good friends and be like hey, yeah. And she's never called me and said hey, can I come on? So I think we're stalemating each other. Yeah, that's a weird um like play some more that I got some more here? This is something new. This is what kept a new single. You know, this this is is single. I mean not playing the Fifth Kids to come on. If the songs on the radio, do you get paid more? I don't get paid necessarily from terrestrial radio. But there are some back end things with streaming now that are new new avenues. That's good because that was never the case for players and writers. And this has been a big problem is that writers still need the freaking radio. They can get paid because they're working on the streaming. But you guys are making money on streaming. It's our background singers, yes, but the writers still aren't seeing a fair compensation from streaming. That is the this is the struggle. And throughout the nineties and that kind of thing, it was the songwriters that were like, you had a big hit, you had to cut, you had whatever. I mean, they were selling CDs, there was money, money coming in, and there were established streams of income for songwriter is um. And then when everything changed that there stream of income was still radio and still mechanical stuff. And I mean I don't know the ins and outs of like when and what was negotiated, but SAG after the Screen Actors Guild and after and the a f of M, the Musician Union, gotta something worked out that um, it's not spot, it's it's like maybe it's YouTube and you're getting paid. Yeah, it's like some are right now. There's there's just not an overarching rule through all Sonic totally, which there eventually will be. But it's also new that it's hard to get legislation first of all, on anything. Secondly, when something is so new, you're talking about a bunch of basically eight year old, clueless white men who have no idea what they're talking about. Absolutely, and so the last thing they care about is what we're listening to and how writers, musicians, artists should be compensated totally, and it's hard to get to them to even think it's a thing. So then you get send money on lobbyists. So yes, you got some money on lobbyists. And then the people who have the opposing interests usually have way more money for for lobbying interests. And and then you've got uh, all the n s A. I people that go and I know all my songwriter friends that go over there and play for Congressman. He's the leader. Yeah, he runs that stuff. And Lee has been a good friend of mine for a while. I already doing his demos years ago, and uh, and he's doing great. So I thought they had a win. They did very recently. They did a good step in the right direction, which is so what what what's a good good day for you? Then? Well, what fulfills you? Because it seems, you know, like myself, you can start doing the same thing over and over again. Even know you enjoy it, it it can start to burn. You can you get to burn? Yeah, I mean a good day for me is it's it's a good day versus a bad day is the time the people who I'm playing with, And fortunately, as I progress in my career, my peers are I get to be surrounded with great people on a more regular basis than I had been surrounded with great people before. So I mean a lot of the time. I mean, you really can't go wrong. It's like and I'll go back to this, like I play the piano for a living, Like it's even when it's like a hard day, it's never bad day. It's just like a hard day will be a triple demo day where you don't you're trying to cramp five songs in a session, and so tend one. You do tend five songs, and then you have your hour break, and then you do five more songs. You have an hour break, and then it's nine pm and you haven't answered any text messages and you haven't had a chance to call your dad back, or you haven't he's grabbing about the radio. It doesn't it doesn't hear your song on he doesn't even swede. Another one that is surprisingly a great singer with Danielle and she was in a few weeks ago and sitting the same chair she is, uh, you know, four ft tall, sings like she's ten ft tall. And that was the first time I worked with her. Uh. And yeah, she's is just awesome and the energy and the whole thing. I mean, it's like, I want to talk about this for one second. One of the benefits of doing this podcast around my house is that in my house I have all the things that made me comfortable, like the chair that I'm sitting in now, even my bed. I don't do this from my bed, but it is in my bedroom right down the hallway, and I have a sleep number bed, and I do talk about how it has changed my life and for me, I do struggle sleeping, but it has helps so much. I mostly struggle because I wake up at three in the morning, but my sleep number. I go into the store, I lay down in the bed. 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All I know, Hey, we're gonna do a session. Dave's playing and he's running it, and so you tell him what you want. So you're the first player. You're the first session player that I've had in that records Records. That's awesome because I think you're the only one that I really know. But I always like you the only one you need to know. That's true too, That's true too. Here's the song that for sure you have to remember. This is how the old raging Idiots. But she's as Charles Kelly and I singing that Jesus and that's yeah, that's all I can take you. That of mean yea, yeah, I got a bunch of your stuff. Is giving her a song because I love this song too, written Sands, Yes, right, yeah, I love this song. How about a song? Giving her a song and go, holy crowd, that's a good song. And then it turns out to be some massive hit. You ever hear one early and go that's it? You just go, oh it moves me. Yes, I mean you you know, tell me about one where you go, oh, it's got to be one. And then eight months later it ends up being one. The first time I worked with Chris Young and Corey Crowd are for for Chris's for I'm Coming Over. Uh that was the fort or something maybe, but that was like the song. It just seemed like teed up. It's just that song, that song. Every day I remember. I remember hearing the demo and Corey going, you know, this is kind of where we're going with it and Chris is somebody that's really involved in his records, and you know so that that was cool. You can feel it? Yeah? Yeah, So okay, are either now with playing because you plan on everybody? Director? I mean I have I have so many songs that you've played on here by intial I hear you there and into saying, ok I hear you on this one. So what are you tired of doing this all day now? No? Definitely not that. What I was referring to was more so UM, the type of music that there's certain there's no way to say that. I don't want to sound whatever I want. But but but definitely, on those long demo days, I find myself looking at my phone a lot, and I find myself not giving sometimes the songs the dedication they deserve. UM, and I feel like I'm not representing my brand. Challenge. I mean that basically what it sounds like. You don't feel like you're being challenged when you're doing these demo sessions. Sure, I'm glad you can't buy. Thank you for having HUM. I'm looking forward to you know you're getting us some more piano tracks. Is that what you say? How you say it? I'm looking forward to getting more piano tracks. Yeah, always piano stuff, some damian. I have no idea my piano. I have no never too late I see one. Oh, I have a four in the house. There's no shorty. That doesn't mean I don't I know how to play them. That was the coolest MTV cribs. Justin Timberlake had Rhodes at the foot of his bed, and I thought that was the coolest thing. Ever, how many do you have your place at home? I only have one. I've got a I've got a studio, so I've got one Nord keyboard in there, and have a baby grand piano. Okay, I would drive by. I should live a few houses down from Gary the Box Rascal Flats and his his a humongous white piano right in the front door. Like you drive by, and it's just like you're driving by and you see it. Is there an extra like sitting on it in black and white with like a rose in the there should be? It looks like that kind of piano, and that piano has to cost. How much does the grand piano cost? A big white grand piano. We're not guessing, hids, but in general, you being fifty grand crazy. That's why I would think I'll drop by and go. There's a nice car right there. Yeah, I mean Ben his costs more than that. That's great box, right. Yeah. You know he's got a good piano, he's got some some gold. Oh man, those rich people. One day we're gonna get there to day. One day we're gonna. Hey, I really appresh that you're coming by. It's good Dave going, and uh, these things last forever, these podcasts. So Dave could either be out of work in a year or you could be producing your favorite new record. I'm probably yeah that direction as well, but I know where you live. As we come over, we'll do it again, all right, Dave Cohen, And we'll see guys next time on the podcast. Thank you. I'll be like that. One is a very insider podcast. I enjoyed it. I'll encourage you to check out Christian Bushes podcast called Geeking Out with Christian Bush Want have a sugar Land? He talked to Granger Smith about bees. He talked to manager in town about like fighting are the specific kind of fighting taekwondo? I'll call everything karate, and I shouldn't. I was gonna say karate. So you can hear that one. Also, Jake Owen has a pod guest called Good Company with Jake Going and the Whiskey Riff guys have Whiskey Riff Raff. We encourage you to check them out if you like country music. If you're listening to this, you probably like those podcasts too, So that's that. I believe Steve Moakler will be in soon in the next couple of episodes, and a big fan of Steve Mokler is a songwriter and artists, so come back soon for that. Dave Haywood seems to be the next one though. Dave Haywood from Lady Annabellum, who I didn't know on a personal level until this podcast. We had met many times, but he was always with the group and you, as you'll hear coming up, or maybe it's already out right as you hear this. Just a brilliant guy. So Dave Haywood and Steve Mokler coming real soon. Thanks for hanging out with us here. Thank you Bye.