Ethan Suplee Meets World

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Speaker 1: M. So, I came across this term the other week, um, and I've been thinking about it a lot. Have you guys ever heard of the end of history illusion? No? Yeah, but I'm intrigued. I hadn't heard this either. It's it's it's a good new it's relatively new. I guess it was coined in like two thousand two fourteen, and I came across into something I was reading, And I've been thinking about it a lot in relation to our show, um, which is it's this, it's it's it's the end of history illusion. And it's a cognitive bias that people have that we tend to think of ourselves in our current context or life as fixed as like we've we've we were done growing, Whereas when we look back on times in our lives, like we look back on our adolescents or early twenties, we're able to see ourselves as like a work in progress. You know that we give ourselves grace when we look back and say, oh, yeah, I wasn't fully grown yet, or I was changing constantly, But then we rate ourselves at the current moment as like incapable of changing, like we think of history is done, like we're done growing, and like they've done a bunch of studies where people consistently rate themselves as like finished or fixed, um, you know, like and and yet when we look back on our lives, we can say, oh, no, I wasn't done growing at all yet. And it's something that I've been trying to keep in mind in relation to this show. You know, this this project that we've embarked upon together and now we're opening up to the world to listen in on where we're looking back on, you know, obviously a very pivotal time in our lives, and we're able to say like, oh my god, we were so young, we didn't know anything, but that actually we still kind of are, like we still don't know anything, and we still are not done. And I've been thinking about like how it's kind of important for us and probably for our listeners to be aware of that we're still changing and growing, you know, like we're not coming to a conclusion about Boy Meets World. We're not gonna like decide like, oh well that's the way the show was or that's what it actually meant to us. It's going to keep changing, you know, and that we're going to keep changing and growing, and like ten years from now, we might listen back to Pod Meets World and be like, what were we thinking we were so young in our forties back then when we were talking about the show. That would be That's that would actually be really interesting, is do Pod Meets World to this time? It's personal, and we'll do it twenty years from now, and we watched the show again, and it's going to mean something completely different than next time we watched it. Abs No, but it's so true, right, Like we tend to think of ourselves as done, and like we have to kind of give ourselves permission to to not know. And like when we when we have these strong opinions about various episodes or scenes or moments, to say like, well, we're just kind of figuring them out now or coming up with ideas about them now, and they're probably going to change. That's changing, you know. Anyway. It's something I've been trying to like keep in mind, um, because yeah, it's not going to be fixed, you know. Yeah, I mean this is an ongoing project. In thirty years, when we do this again, we're gonna be like, Man, I relate to Rue McClanahan so much as you know, Mr Feeney really was the only character who knew what he was doing. No, but it's true, and it's it's it's also the second you stop growing as a person, you're done. You're supposed to be. That's our point. That's the point of being here. Is you grow every day and you learn every day, and you know you you hope that's what you're doing. Anyway, I would imagine that you know how well we talk about how the perfect example is none of us realizing how wonderful or important Rusty and Betsy were that And that's all we're looking at. It is how amazing they are. And so there, there's it's just it's where you are in that journey of life where you're gonna kind of as traveling down the road called life, as a great great poet wrote. A great poet once said that, um I I found something. Speaking of our histories, I found a couple of things. So I've been occasionally I will go on cleaning product projects, which I was gonna say, go on cleaning products, which a whole different thing. Again, Well again, sorry, i'll tell you free based wind. Um No, I've been, so I'll go. I'll find something that hasn't been cleaned in forever. And so I'm in this little podcast room and right above me are these two shelves, and Sue's like, came in the other day. She's like, well, at least your shelves are empty. And I went and I opened it up and it was horrifying. So I'm the we had off. I said, I'm going to clean it out. I just started cleaning it out and I sent you guys a picture. I found it a huge stack of Boy Meets World scripts that I think we find a way to give out to everybody our pod Meets World fans. But I came across two things which were pretty great. First is from our very last episode. It's the last script that we did, the Matt Nelson script, signed by everybody, which is pretty incredible. But the other thing I found, which which our audience will understand what I'm talking about, but you guys will really understand what I'm talking about. When I first moved out to Los Angeles, I was by myself. I didn't know anybody here, and to make me feel more comfortable alone, Arlene wrote out her name and address and phone number so I could always get in touch with her if I needed to, And it was in a pile of stuff that I have in a posted note in her handwriting, and it just hit me. It was so strange and it came out of nowhere, and to think it was the first time I I kind of realized that she's been gone for like twenty seven years. Yeah, yeah, you're right. And just she was such a wonderful person and this was her I mean, just I didn't know anybody, and so one of the first things she did was I kept it and I still have it, and so I don't know, it's just I kept it right here, So I just I thought I would share that with you. We're also going to give that away to our fans. And exactly was the Arlene Grayson phone number, but here. Yeah, it just it was so strange to find an amazing woman, you know, like I mean to the fact that she was sympathetic enough to like reach out to you and be like, just in case you need anything, here right am like going above and beyond as a producer, like yeah, I'm just gonna I'm also here for you as a person, as a parental sort of figure. It was she was just she was amazing she was truly amazing. So yeah, I just I came across that and I thought you'd want to see that. It was pretty pretty neat to be glad you kept all these scripts too. I mean I never kept any of them. I wish I had. These are just the ones I found up here. I've got a crate of them up in the other room. I don't see anything. And the only reason so I also found a Batman Beyond script from Return of the Joker signed body everybody that I just went and had framed today. And the reason I didn't have this one framed is because I realized Trina wasn't there and I want her to sign it. Rusty didn't sign it, and Bill didn't sign it. So I'm going to make sure this year I get everybody else's signature on it, and then I will throw up behind. Is that the one that's Matthew Nelson's script? This is this was the shooting draft of a Brave New World. I made sure and I checked. It's in perfect condition. It's got every page there, it's got the breakdowns, it's got everything. So once I get everybody else to sign it, I'm gonna I'm gonna frame it and if you notice, that was probably the last time I signed by a with a little face that I used to drive and the X do you want to get into the X? But the best part about the face is that I was drawing I was doing. I would always sign my name and then I put that little face next to it. And I remember we were signing autographs for one of the last episodes, probably maybe that script, and um uh Amy Snow our phone page at the time, who was still a really good friend of mine. Um and I went on to work with her. She directed a film that I produced, and she's a great friend and a great writer. But at the time she was she was our phone page and she would be the person and responsible for having to sign all the scripts that they would give away to the audience. And on one of the times I was signed doing a little face and she just very innocently asked me. She's like, so how long are you going to keep doing that little thing? And I was just like, you're right, it's pretty childish. I'm twenty years old now. I don't think I need to be doing a card And so I decided to retire are put in a little face, So no longer, so that was probably the last time I signed it. That's hilarious. Well, that's really cute. Thank you for sharing all of that with us, will and um, yeah, well, welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfred. So this week we are very honored to welcome a fan favorite of Boy Meets World, someone who has been requested to come on the podcast hundreds of times by fans. Um. I keep seeing and be tagged on Instagram, and I'm sure he's like, yes, yes, I'm coming on, leave me alone. Um. He is someone we all have wonderful memories of as Frankie Stucchino, a bully with a what with a heart of gold who appeared in nineteen episodes of Boy Meets World, starting with the season to Reset Back to School. He's also beloved for his roles in American History X, alongside William Rusty Roy, the Wolf of Wall Street, Remember the Titans, and most memorably as Randy My Name Is Earl and William the Magic I Obsessed, Mall Rat and Kevin Smith's View Askew Universe. And he was most recently seen in the award winning movie Babylon with Brad Pitt. No big deal, he's just yeah, he's just nothing, nothing going on in his life. Child actors that aren't working anymore. Yeah, exactly, such a shame. It is time to welcome our favorite tough guy Ethan. Hey, guys, Yeah, how's it going. Oh my gosh, it's so good to see you. Also, you're lighting and where you are it's so pretty awesome. It's cool, it's so moody. Yeah, this is like if you could just see the jumbles are. We're not probably allowed to swear. You can say anything you want, really, Okay, you guys will patch that up for me because I do have a mouth like a pirate. Okay, maybe will make your swear. We should make them louder. They should just make them louder. I think we should bracket it. I love Yes, Have you always had a mouth like a pirate? I don't remember you cursing on boy Meat's World, No, I think I think I have. You know my like, my grandmother used to tell me that um cursing was a sign of low i Q. And at some point I read like Bukowski and I was like, he's got a pretty good, I Q and he swears a lot, swears a lot like what I can say whatever I want. I love that you've already mentioned Bukowski because one of my key memories from our time, my boy Meate's world was you giving me a copy of Burning and Water Drowning in Flame, a Bookowski collection, because you knew I was into poetry, but at the time I was into like English romantic poets, and and you were the first person to be like, you need you need to get into the twentieth century and you gave me and it changed my life. I became like a Kowski fanadict, which then led to Jon Fonte later in the Best And you were like, you need to be reading this writer. And you totally totally got to me, and you greatly influenced my reading life, like with one gift. And I think you just did it, Like I don't think it was for any occasion. You just came and brought me a Pokowski, but you're like, you need to read this, and you were so right. So like this kid is smart, he's reading a lot. What if I corrupt him a little bit? It was so great, just so even it's come up a couple of times on the podcast, But was Boy Meets World your first ever job? First ever job, by the way, it was it was my second audition. I got an agent and he was like, Okay, I'm gonna start sending you out. And I had an audition for Melrose Place in the morning in Santa Monica. I drove, I did that audition, got to call they want you for this job. As I'm driving to see Sally Steiner in Burbank. Go to see Sally Steiner. Get the call right before I go, and you're not sad they're not hiring you. You didn't get kind of bummed, but like, I got another shot at this right now. Went in to see Sally Steiner. She said come back this afternoon for these other people. And I was like, what does that mean? Maybe I blew this too. And then I went back from Michael Jacob's first job, first auditioning, believing Sane's that's how the business works. Just do your first Yeah. Easy. But it's so crazy to me is that I thought of you was such a grown up with such a wealth of information, and you were like such a pro actor and like so for me to realize now that you were your first job, ever, is just mind boggling. It seems so confident, not obvious. Dude, I didn't know what takes of my first scene where I shoved Ben into a locker or something like, Yes, I thought I was I thought I was getting fired. I was like, nobody can't do this this many times? This is psychotic. Why am I not doing this right? I don't remember that. Do you guys remember doing that that many times? No? But it's actually makes perfect sense that a new person on the cast would instantly be shown that they were a new person on the cast. Does that make sense? I was very clearly a new person, and it was like, let's let's show you that we're in charge. Yeah. I think what will saying is that somebody was not going to let you come in and feel too confident about yourself, even if you deserve to have confidence. Yeah, they achieved that in spades. No, I felt very welcome. Other other than that, we did that thing many many times, and I just didn't know any better and was like at first, like, well, this is just what you do. You do a lot, but not in front of an audience. By the time we were done, the audience was just like, can you guys, ye do anything else? Scene? Yeah, you know, you know when you're starting to lose the audience when they start you hear the fake laughter and they're they're forcing all that stuff, and you're kind of sitting there going like, Okay, we gotta we gotta move on. We're losing them. But we also just recently watched that episode that it's just the first episode of the second season, and it is a huge episode. There's so much going on. It's like a whole new show and you guys are introduced, you and Blake and um Danny and like it's like a whole like a whole set of a subset of characters that like get a lot of screen time, and it just and we were watching it going backstage. Must have been crazy. None of us could really remember it, but it must have been such a hectic episode because we had Tony Mr. Turner introduced you guys high school. He is so much going on. It's jarring and it must have felt like crazy making to all of us at the time. But I don't really remember it, do you do? You remember meeting Danny and Blake on set like the first day and feeling like, oh, these are the guys that I'm gonna be like in a crew with. I remember Blake and feeling very much like I'm in Me and Blake are contemporaries. And then I remember Danny being like he's older, he's cooler. We don't talk to him too much. He you know what I mean, Like he's a little more mysterious. He had that Harley Kinder thing. I don't know if it was like method or what it was, but he was like less approachable. Blake and I from you know, the moment it was like, you're Joey, You're Frankie. Okay, we're buds rat right, that's sing. He said the same thing. Blake said the same thing, where it was just kind of an instant connection between the two of you. Yeah, it was great. And I had seen the show prior to that, and I just remember coming in and going, this does not look anything like what I watched last year. It just was totally it seemed totally different. Yeah, yeah, it was. We felt the same way. Yeah, we're now slowly getting more comfortable with season two, but it was a completely different television show and we're trying we're kind of now figuring out why there was a whole bunch of changes when it came to the writing staff, and a bunch of changes when it came to the cast and the producers, and there was it seems to be maybe a mandate somewhere that the show was to be aged up. So all of a sudden, this kind of innocent family sitcom has become much more high school, much more sexual. Uh, it was just we were calling it drop shock. Well I am they haven't caught on yet, but um to to just yeah, getting season two and hey, we're going to start the show over a little it, which is what it seemed like we were doing. Even what made you get into acting to begin with? So you have your your first day of auditions Melrose Place in Boy Meant's World and you technically booked them both. What what was the motivation and inspiration behind you getting into it at that at that age of your life. So, I, as an overweight kid, was unbelievably uncomfortable with myself, and I I went to school oddly with a couple of actors, uh, Solei moon Fry. I went to school with her and Giovanni Rabc and I went to actually the set of the Wonder Years with Vanni once and and I was just like, this is incredible, Like it seemed incredible that that you could go and play make Believe and get paid for it and not go to school. Although there was like classroom, but it wasn't anything like real school. Um, there was that. But the thing I noticed mostly that was appealing to me with these guys was that well didn't actually see them. People saw characters. People saw the guy from with Annie. I don't know if that was after my two dads or or before whatever. If it was just that he was kind of known for the Wonder Years at that point, but he was kind of a known actor, and they saw that they saw whoever they saw from TV. So they was just Punky Burst at the time, and and nobody knew anything about them other than that. And it seemed like this wonderful defense against people actually looking at you and seeing you and observing you. And it was appealing to me in that way that you could kind of hide. The other thing that was kind of fascinating and nice for me was I was kind of, um always plagued with this feeling of discomfort with myself and feeling, uh that I was bad and wrong because of my weight and the characters I played were all meant to be overweight. So for those moments, it suddenly became okay to be overweight and and and it wasn't there was no wrongness in that, in that in embodying that character. So there were a few things like that that we're appealing and then it was just like I don't have to go to school and I can make money and it's like the coolest job ever. And it was kind of like a mix of all of that. That's amazing to me that the idea that the best way to hide is to have more people watching you kind of incredible. I mean, yeah, it's it's amazing though, but but it's true. You do you get to especially for somebody like you, and we're going to get into some of your other roles. I think because I instantly go to American History X, where, you know, while we didn't know each other very well when we were doing more means where we still knew each other. And I remember the first time I saw American History X, I just saw a completely different person on the screen, and I was so captivated by it and by you that it was one of those things where it was one of those moments in my life where I was like, I don't I don't think I know any of these people the way I thought I did, because they're becoming who they are to then become the characters they want to embody. So to see that, I remember walking out going like, I'm not sure I knew Ethan at all because to do that, to find that in him, it was just that was amazing and rusty too for for that matter, for you know, the one or two scenes he was in. You're just seeing such a different side of these people that you thought you quote unquote new uh. To then see that was was pretty incredible. So yeah, it was to me making fun of myself. Was was if I could do that quickly, then nobody else would make fun of you, because it's like, yeah, the guy making fun of yourself, it's it's smoking mirrors, it's how do we distract them from this thing? And I could rationalize it in a way. And this this kind of came later, but it was part of what was appealing to me was are they looking at me because I'm disfigured in the way that I perceived that I'm disfigured, or are they looking at me because they've seen me in something. The minute I could rationalize that they're staring at me because they saw me on a TV show, if there was such a relief associated with that, and that actually it wasn't that until Boy Meets World. I actually had the most one of the most profound experiences I've had as an actor. I I've always felt that I was an embarrassment to my father, and you know, I just you know, he was like this fit, active guy, and I was a kid that was not fit and active, and he was the one who very much always wanted me to diet. And and the first time I ever spent any Boy Meets World money, I took my father on vacation and we went to an island in the Caribbean, just me and him, and it was like this bonding thing. And we were at the pool one day, and you know, I'm still very uncomfortable with myself wearing a shirt in the pool and there's these kids, and you know, you know, as a bigger guy, you avoid kids because there's no filter, and they'll just say and and and it's horrible, but like, what are you gonna do yell at kids? You're not gonna yell at kids, and I remember, uh having this feeling of fear that these kids are gonna say something and make me feel like crap in front of my dad, who I've I've just like taken on this trip. And they pulled the rug out from under me. They they came up to me to talk about boy Mets World, and it was truly the first time I felt that my father was really proud of me, and it was like really profoundly meaningful. You know. It was like a massive deal because all the that I carried inside about myself evaporated in that moment. It was really awesome. Wow. Man, Yeah, it was a big deal. The show was a big deal. It touched a lot of people. We're starting to realize that. I mean, I think we knew, but you know, but you don't know. I'm you don't really get what it meant to people until you hear a lot of the stories, and especially when we started doing conventions together and things like that, and you hear the stories of people coming up to us and how much the show affected them and different aspects of the show. I mean, you don't some people identify with Writer's character because of the way Sean grew up in a trailer park. They identify with Eric because he he didn't get into college and had to find another way to get in there. Or Danielle's character of being unkey and weird and smart and still having friends and boys. You know, yeah, you just it's it's you don't realize how much you're affecting people when you're doing what you're doing. Um So, yeah, hearing stories like that is insane amazing. Yeah, it was like life changing moment for me, and so thank you guys for being a part of it. It's so different from you know, my experience, like because I just hated fame so much, like I just never wanted to get recognized. I never wanted to be acknowledged. Um So, it's it's I'm so glad that it was like the exact opposite for you. You know that at a moment like that could be so empowering. I mean, yes, but look, there is certainly there's a line there, and I can't I can't imagine what you were going through could be fun at all, because that's a totally different thing. This is kids who you know, they're also recognizing I'm the bully though I'm kind hearted, I'm not a guy they're running up and squealing over. But it is there is some defense there. It is a deflection. It's like I now have kids who on any other at any other point in my life, would have been snickering at me, or would have been nice kids and and just ignored me, or maybe made friends. But there the the the look from across at a distance, the continued look back that always meant I'm going to get made fun of and and it stopped meaning, which was a big deal, massive, massive deal. Wow. I So we had Blake on recently and he talked about how important your friendship was to him, not just while he was on Boy Means World, but just generally in his life. What do you remember about your friendship with Blake and the way you guys were on set together, and do you remember any pranks like we We think about you guys as being like a little I don't know if Frank's is the right word, but yeah, we were up to stuff. We were certainly up to stuff. Um. Blake was so much fun and we were we were very very close friends. You know, I'm now a grandfather. So and this is also going back almost are you. Yeah, it's completely wild. But yeah, I have a nine month old grand four girls, granddaughter. Yeah, congratulations, that's incredible. So I don't have a huge amount of time for socializing, but I've you know, Blake. Blake and I continued to be friends until I basically was like, I'm not raising kids, I'm not going to be social with people. And that chapter is over. You know, Well, it's funny because Blake now has a has a child, and so he understands it perfectly. I can guarantee you he is in the thick of it. So we also recently had on Adam Scott, and so what do you what do you remember about that kind of changeover from you know, we had had Danny, Danny was Harley, than Danny left, and then they brought somebody else on for one episode and that person was gone, and then Adam Scott comes in. Do you have any specific memories about your time with Adam or about that changeover. I loved Adam. Adam was wonderful. I remember feeling very empathetic for the position he was put in, you know, because Harley was a popular character and that and and then and then there was that other guy who was in and out. So it's like he came in knowing that that's a lot of compressure. And I just felt like he was such a nice, good guy that I was rooting for him, you know what I mean. He he was like a guy where I don't remember the last guy. I don't remember the intern between Unfortunately, like two days it was yeah, he Yeah, he came, came and was gone. I mean, they didn't even have time to change the name of the character. They just you're Harley now, thanks, you know. So, yeah, we didn't. I don't remember his name either. Well we'll find out when we get to the episode. Yeah, exactly. But Adam was a sweetheart and uh and I thought he was great. You know, he was a totally different than Harley, but he was He was awesome in a totally different way. Very cool and um maybe not quite as scared, but that's okay because we weren't meant to be the scariest guys. Yeah, no, I have I have a question for you. So, before he came on, um and and was just obviously one of the nicest guys ever, were you a wrestling fan had did you know who Vader was before they brought him on to play your dad, no idea. Never I saw Cogan, I like new whole Cogan. I knew Jake the Snake. I knew when when when he written out of match with Jake the Snake. I knew Jake the Snake. But but I had never heard of Vader before, which seem sacrilegious to me, you know, having known now he was a big deal, but I didn't at the time know him. Did you have a great time working with him as your dad? Like, what was your relationship? I mean you probably worked closer with him than than any of us. What was you know? He told me he I got like really hardcore stories about fighting in Asia. He would go and do we all remember, Yeah, where he like he lost an eye in a match and scooped his eye back in back in himself. That's right, put it back in himself when he won some sort of ultimate fighting international. Yeah, it's a crazy When he first told me that story, I was like, this guy's And then I asked some people and they were like, no, no, he's legit. Like that guy's as legit as they come. And then I was kind of like treated him with a lot more deference but when he first said told that story, I was like, you're just coming in hearing and to tell me you lost an eye and fight in Japan. Yeah, and shoved it back into your head. What kind of what do you take me for it? Um? The most nerve racking experience which you were there for, righting, was that WrestleMania. Yes, and so I almost got into a fight with multiple people. Nobody prepared us for. No, no, They just wanting to shut us out, no idea, and I didn't know. I think all the people there, we're just there as red, like they didn't know what was happening. We didn't know what's happening. And people hated him. People hated Vader so much, and they were saying really nasty stuff. But I remember somebody telling me in between stuff, they were like, you're Mike, stop fighting with people because you can hear what you're saying. Oh, I love it. You fought back. Ben and I were just terrified. I remember feeling like like running backstage and almost crying because everyone was just like, you know, screal boardman world, and we were just like but you, I know, you were on like you were in the ring the entire time. Ben and I were like running in and out, but you were there the whole I love that you fought back. I was I almost got into a physical fight with people in the audience, and one of the whoever was somebody there, somebody on our team, was like, stop, you're acting like, don't listen to them. You're gonna get in real trouble. And I was like, that guy's keep saying, your mom, I'm ready. You know that was That was one of the most nerve racket experiences of my life. Yeah, god, God, I'll think about that sometimes. Like you know, it's very difficult, even on gigantic movies to like lock up New York City streets, and so you'll be in the middle of shooting something and you'll just think, like, this is a hundred million dollar movie and you guys can't like pause. These people from the walking through the same like what are you? What are we doing there? And even then I'll have to remind myself just go back to the mid nineties and WrestleMania and this is like nothing can eat. So I have a question for you, because you're you're in a very unique position to answer this. Um you went on I mean not only to do all the films that you've done, but My Name Is Earl was it was a huge hit as well. Can you talk about is there one type of television you enjoyed doing more than you know? I mean, you went from four camera on Boy Meats World with an audience to single cam on My Name Is Earl, which is kind of like shooting a film every day. Is there one type of show you preferred doing over the other? Well, okay, I mean like there's uh, there's I guess I. I guess I would have to answer this as honestly as I possibly can and say, like I did Boy Meats World, which really spoiled me for my next working experience, which was like so night and day, nothing like the leisurely work schedule that we had, especially because you guys would have to go to school and I wouldn't. And suddenly it's like me and Blake are going to the movies at lunch in the middle of the day. You guys have a couple hours of school, and we're just like, please keep them in school. This is great, Um, but I like the aesthetic. I guess, I guess I would probably prefer watching a single camera show. But you just can't be. I then went on to do uh a bunch of episodes of a show called The Ranch and the Ranch, you know, towards the last season of that, I was on Boy Meats World. It even got looser than that. It got to be like table read and we're out. We just call it do the table. So it got to the point on The Ranch where they'd call me and go, we need you for four episodes this season. We need six hours pick a day and I'd go, I'd go like, how's this day and they'd go, great, we'll see you from this time to this time. And I would literally show up and they would block shoot my scenes and I would be done, And that was the whole season, like four episodes or it was insane. Now, I don't think you can beat multi camera for like your life, especially if you have kids or something like that. Was that also David Trainer? Yeah, David Trainer, who you would have met on your very first job ever, Boy Meets World? What what like? The greatest guy? It's amazing man. Yes, yeah, it's one of our first guests. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean we remember him so well because he was so I mean, obviously we were all for the most part pretty green and the way he works with actors, and I mean, you know, he's he's just one of the best ever. So yeah, that's so funny. Did you guys talk about Boy Meets World then when you did that really all the time? Yeah? Yeah, And I had um he did all the episodes of that seven ye and I went to there said a couple of times and was like, Holy trainer, you're here. This is amazing. So I had seen him again in between, but it was a pretty big It was a twenty year gap between when I had worked with him, and it was really fun. Man, he's he's he's the best. Do you have a specific favorite like behind the scenes memory of filming that isn't WrestleMania, or maybe it is WrestleMania, or like a favorite episode or scene that really stands out to you over the nineteen episodes of Boy Meets World you did, Yeah, I think it's not WrestleMania. Like that's one of those things like you you get into a car accident and you survive it, and then you tell the story because it's like exciting, but you don't want to ever do that again, you know. I think, just like the first episode. Every every experience on that episode was new and fresh and interesting and exciting, and and it it never really got old, you know, it was always it was always kind of fun and exciting. But that first that first episode that was Disney. Um, working at Disney was exciting. Yeah, all of it. It was just so surreal. Yeah, Disney Studios. I mean, I know it's it's probably also because it was my first job too, but like, although that's not true, I had done Full House, but there's something about when you first work at Disney Studios and you're that just feels like, I don't know, the magic of Disney. People talk about the magic of Disney. You go onto the Disney lot and the squirrels come up to you. That's not a joke, they actually do. It is there is something about Disney that is just magical. Really, they're piping in happiness from somewhere. It's amazing. Man. So when Blake was here, he we asked him about if he had a specific memory about when or how he found out you guys weren't going to be coming back to the show, and he told us a story that you guys actually went in to pitch a script that you had written. Yeah, so the story Blake told and I was I was actually before actually know what, let me not tell you what Blake said. Let's just do you have a memory of when or how you found out that like Frankie and Joey just weren't going to be coming back to the show ever. No, I don't. I don't remember. No, I really don't. Um. I mean no, I don't remember. I don't remember it being official in that way. But it was always weak. I suppose it probably was. Yeah, well, because even when you guys did the first episode, you had no idea that you were coming back, right, it was just the one off. No, it was towards the end of the week and they were like, hey, two weeks from now, are you busy? And I of course was not. So that was kind of my entire experience, was like hey this week, can you work? You know? Um? But I I have no memory really of it becoming an official, but I would love to hear what Blake's. Yeah, so Blake said that you guys wrote a script that was based around like Catcher in the Rye, Like there was a Holden Caufield character, and you were really excited about it. You had worked really hard on it. You felt like you had all the angles worked out, and you went in to pitch it to Michael Jacobs, and in that meeting, Michael listened. He took it all in and he was like, yeah, you know, it's really good. Um, we're not going to buy it, but I'm you know, glad you guys are here because we have good news. We're actually going to offer you contracts. Like whether that meant more recurring or thirteen out of twenty two or one, like I don't you don't don't know if you really specified, but it was definitely like, you guys are going to be an official part of the cast. Now, you're gonna be coming background regularly. And then you guys never heard from him again and just never came back to the show. He said, you left the room. You were high fiving, like, yeah, this is awesome, He's like, and then nothing. I feel like I do remember going to see him, but I don't. I don't remember. I mean, listen in in fairness towards the end, I had a bit of a drug problem, and you know, like we like we can be as real and open podcast as we want. We're adults now, I've gotten my act together. I've been sober now for multiple decades, and so that's good. But towards the end, and you know, I never I just never thought about it because I wasn't really paying attention. I'm sure that happened. I do have some vague recollection of us in Michael Jacob's office, and it's it's a memory where I'm like, why the were we in Michael jakes off, you know, But but I do recall us being there, and I I could have gotten excited over anything at that point. You know, I was excitable in that state, but U and I was. But you were also already working a lot world, you know. I imagine that it probably didn't mean as much to you because I mean, even between what season two and three you did Mall Rats right like that must have been a writer, because I remember you coming back and telling us about it and being like, oh, I can't wait for this because I was a huge Clerks fan and I love that whole you know, so it was like such a big deal that you were already doing. And then American History X like that all happened during Boy Meets World, So yeah, you were already like rolling right into other projects. Yeah, I think. I mean, like I liked the I think, you know, when I didn't understand anything at first, and so at first it was like I'm on this show. And when I was doing multiple episodes, I was like, oh, I'm I'm on this show, like I'm actually on this show. And then I I learned like, oh no, there's different contracts and that, you know, I didn't understand TV and movies and anything like that. And I think by the time I stopped doing the show, I was just doing other stuff and it wasn't there. I have no memory of any point going like that's a bummer that I'm not doing that right, you know, right, you just got you just were stopped being asked, but you were being asked to do a bunch of other things exactly right. And then you know your I will guarantee you your question is better than mine. I don't know about that now, and then we'll be the judge. Well, I was going to talk about his journey into this new healthy, incredible life questions too. Yes, I mean, I I follow you on Instagram. I see your your food journey and your fitness journey. Talk to us about that and what you are up to And I just started working out again, and my whole body hurts. Thanks, my whole body hurts. Um. I I was kind of newly sober in two thousand, two thousand one, two thousand one, newly sober, and uh, I'd had a few rough patches of getting sober, and and now I kind of had my footing there. And you know, I woke up one day and I was like, Oh, I have this whole other thing that I haven't been thinking about that I should really start addressing. And I had this girlfriend who I cared very much about, and I had this weird experience where I kind of realized that if I didn't do something about this, my relationship couldn't go anywhere with her because there was tons of stuff that I couldn't participate with her. And she liked going to going on hikes and spending time at the beach and going to museums. None of that was interesting to me at my size and uh, and so I had to ask her for help. And asking her for help, it was almost as though I was letting her in on a secret, because she didn't ever treat me as though it was an issue and it was a very weird situation to find myself in. And then when I asked her for help, she kind of was like, yeah, that's no problem, we can totally do that. Um. There were many years after that of trying to uh figure out what food was doing to me rather than what I was doing to myself with food, and so I didn't really get my I didn't really come to a proper equilibrium with that until many years later. And um, there was a one point with her where I had gotten really thin and doing lots of cardio and starving myself and that just was not sustainable at all. And I finally threw up my hands and said to my wife, I'm getting fat at him, like this is not fun, living like this is not fun. And she was like, Okay, that's fine. And then I was doing a show in San Francisco and I tore my bicept and I gained a bunch of weight, but I didn't care. I was eating whatever I wanted. And I had to have surgery on my arm, and normally it was like a very simple outpatient surgery, and because of my weight, they said no, no, you're too heavy for outpatient. You have to go do this in a hospital and my wife said, listen, I've never really cared. I love you. You know I love you. This is not an issue that I have with you aesthetically at all, but because there's this weird health concern, you have to get your weight below whatever that number is. I don't care what the number is, but get your weight below that. And then I just was like, Okay, now I have another reason to do this. Plus I have a bunch of kids and I want to be around for them as long as possible. But that's been that's been the real impetus behind trying to get and maintain a level of leanness. Um. So when I was on social media, which I have not been for years and years and years, and there's very few things I miss about social media, but following you is I do miss because you gave me a philosophy when I start working out. I've always struggle with my weight. I will fluctuate sixty pounds sometimes. Um, you had a concept that just spoke so much to me, and I would hit you up on Instagram about it. Uh, and I'd like you to talk a little bit about it if you could, which is killing your clone. And I was wondering if you maybe you could talk a little bit about killing your clone, because it really resonated with me. Yeah, so the idea of killing your clone, and this the when I tore my bicept. I was playing this character based on a guy and the real guy is I don't know if you've seen the movie The Hunted with Benacio del Toro and Tom Louie Jones. So the guy I was playing is the guy who choreographed all that knife off. He's uh considered uh um a subject matter expert in edged weapons by by our government, like our government says he's the most knowledgeable person with knives, and yeah, he's awesome. Is this? This is also Patrick Huguets teacher, isn't it? Yes? Pat's been training with him even longer than I've known him, and I I was playing a character based on him in a TV show called Chance, which I thought was very good. Nobody watched it, and getting to know him was this amazing experience. And he had all these little knowledge bombs and one of them was kill your clone. And for him, because he's uh, he trains military people in combatives. The idea is like, as a warrior, every day you have to be able to kill the old version of you, but not the old version of you ten years ago, the version of you today tomorrow. You have to be be to kill. So you have to always be leveling up every day, training, uh, reading something. And so the way I apply it is just in order for me to level up as a person, as a father, as a husband, as an actor, as a human being. Whatever I'm doing every day is leveling up, and it's killing the old version of me. And the old version of me again, is not from the distant past. It's from the immediate past. It's from five minutes ago. How am I improving myself constantly? And in order to do that, I'm doing that so that I can kill the clone of me that exists in the past. Not such a cool concept. It really resonated me. I remember, just because I would. It was when I was really trail running, which I'm trying to get into again, and I would want to stop after about three miles, and then I'd say, no, wait, I did three miles yesterday, So I went three point two and then I take a picture. I'd send it to you be like, killed my clone. You're like good, Keep keep it up. That's a week later, I'm like four, I did full you know, it just kept going. Was let me say, it might be also important that you rest for a day so that you can kill that colin, you know what I mean. Like, there's that too, Like a day if you're just constantly going above, above, above, four miles and six miles, eventually you know you're running a hundred miles and your body says, go yourself, we're not doing this, you know what I mean? So yeah, there's that too. Yeah. Pat would always talk about So Patrick Fuguet for for those of you don't know, and a terrific actor. He was starting um almost almost famous and uh is a phenomenal dungeon master for the for the nerds out there, he was my d m um. So it was. And by the way, he's a killer. He is a killer, like I yeah, the first day I saw him in class, I was like, what are you doing here? Pat? And he was like, what do you mean? This is where I trained? And he is an assassin, Like he's a bad man. Yeah, very yeah, like yes, you just you kind of don't expect it, which is the thing I think that makes him so damn dangerous, which is awesome. Um, but yeah, he so he was would always impart that kind of wisdom as well, where he's like, no, you gotta you gotta do this, you gotta do And then I started asking about that teacher and he's like you and I gotta talk, okay, okay. So yeah, it's very very very cool. Yeah, he's awesome that Tom Kaier is his name, and he he's a very special, special person because you know, I like to train combative ju jitsu stuff like that. It's almost always physical. Most of what I've learned from Tom is philosophical m M, which is great. Yeah. I want to go back to boy Meat's world for a second because I want it. So after you had done a number of episodes in the first couple of seasons and didn't see you for a long time, we they brought you back for the graduation episode in season five. Do you have any memories of what that was like to be back all of a sudden after a couple of years of not being there. Do you have any memories of that reunit that that graduation episode. I just remember shooting at Radford and being like this this is a popular show. Why does it keep moving? I remember that being every every two years it's a new studio. I was with you guys for Disney and then and when they were like, yeah, come do this episode it's at Radford, I was like, what's going on here? Why can't they just have this? We keep getting evicted? Well it does anyone know why? But I mean, I mean, I think it goes back to like we never felt like a popular show. Like we always felt like we were sort of taken for granted, like nobody. I don't know. I never even within the t G I F line know, we had lower ratings than Sabrina the Teenage Witch and all that, so we always kind of felt like we might get canceled at any moment. And it seems ridiculous now because we look back, We're like, there were millions of people watching us, we had so many fans, but we always felt like we were on the bubble, which is just weird. Um Yeah, so, I mean to me, it was part of that. It was just like they just shuffle us around. We never had that much money, We never had security as a show. I don't like that. Yeah, that's weird. I that was prior to me even understanding what what TV ratings were it was just you know, people seem to like it, and it's part of t G. I F that seemed to be a big deal to you know, like most people aren't watching TV on Friday nights, but they're watching t t G if some yeah, we had that block. That block seemed to be just kind of unstoppable on a Friday night. So because I mean this is because you've changed so much physically. Do you ever get recognized from Boy Meets World all the time? You still do? Okay, It's it's it's you know, it's one of those things where they have to put it together like a like I know who you are right now for whatever reason, and I knew who you were fifteen years ago, but you were part of my life thirty years ago, you know what I mean. Like it's one of those weird things. Um, but it is astonishing how consistent, you know what I mean, Like it's just always existed, you know, you do. When I remember when we were doing it, there was a certain age range of people who watched the show, and it wasn't ever a nineteen year old. It was like a fifteen year old. It was never a year old. And to have to go through the past thirty years and experience the different generations that have been touched by that show, because it's always I don't know if it's on the air now, but it was on the air for nearly thirty years. Yeah, the same. Yeah, and once streaming came around and then kind of went to streaming, but before streaming existed, it was never not on the air. Yeah, which is really wild. Yeah, because you're right now there are eight year olds who know of it, there are forty five year olds who know of it, and then every single age in between, Yeah, which is you know, sometimes somebody will say like I loved you on boy T World, and I'm like, you're years old. When did you watch are we talking? Weren't a live They're like, oh, on MTV and reruns? Right, Yeah, it wasn't even MTV. Was it like MTV? We were like on the we were like an ESPN THEO it was, Yeah, we were we weren't even on the top MTV. Okay, we're watching it. You are the last person I could possibly ask about this mystery that has come up. It's a good one, so I've I mean, I think it's just a lot of character that's why we're trying. We're dying writer. Writer doesn't like the mystery, but I'm gonna tell you about it anyway. So when Adam Scott was here, Adam Scott, at the end of his interview says, all right, I'm going to tell you something. I haven't even talked about it about this at all. I just recently told the story to like my wife. I have otherwise kept it a complete secret all this time, but I'm dying to know if Writer, if you remember this story. And the story was that at the end of the season, we had just taped the last scene and everyone is like, whoa high fiving? You know, we're going into Hiatus rap party tomorrow or whatever it is, and everybody's like congratulating each other and giving hugs, and Adam Writer hugged you and Blake and then Adam was standing there and Adam went in and gave Writer a big hug, and Writer apparently shoved him off of him, like kind of aggressively and looked at him like what the f man and Adam was like and then ran and then it righter than ran off. I have absolutely no memory of that at all. I don't think I can't picture a rider doing that. Writer with such a sweetheart and such a hugger. I think it's so. I'm a huggy guy, always been. I mean, is that one of the things where like, you hug somebody and you and you perceive, right, it's all in your your universe kind of you perceive their energy not being off, and then it becomes over the course of decades this shove. Right, That is entirely possible that it could have been something small that in his in his mind and especially feeling insecure, like, oh my gosh, I hugged at the star at the show and it didn't. It didn't it didn't get the response that I was expecting, And it could have been that. But also one of the things that I thought of was that I remember you and Blake being especially Blake being very like, like I said, mischievous or pranky, and I imagined that maybe you two did something like grabbed Writer's butt in the middle of Adams hug by the way that could have happened, Okay, right, I mean, that's I think that could have happened, like because because like Adam told us about, he killed you guys like an incredibly dirty joke, and you and Blake were like, you know who would think that's funny? Tony Quinn and like that's funny, and you like so you guys would do stuff like that all the time, and like there's I don't remember this moment at all, but I imagine one of you guys watching him hug me could have like grabbed my ass or something to just freak me out, and I thought it was him, and I don't know. Yeah, the first thing I thought of was like, I wonder if there was something going on where that was kind of set up and so anyway, I don't have a strong memory of that specifically occurring. However, within that universe that a million percent like if somebody said this happened, I'd go, yeah, that probably probably that sounds more pile yeah then right or just not like we hug right. Well that so that leads to Blake. The other thing Blake told us was that when he when you no speak for him, when he said he met all of us, he felt like we were all kind of the good pure kids, and you were the two of you were kind of like a little bit of darkness coming on the set. Is that how how you felt when you met us. Look, you guys had to go to school. You guys had people there who were in authority positions. And me and Blake had forties in our trailers, if you know what I mean. We we didn't. That's what we had. We we had like we had cocktails for lunch, even though neither of us were anywhere near to one one. Is that true? Were you really seventeen years old? Man? Are doing that? I'm not going to speak for Blake. I was doing just about everything you could imagine, maybe not on day one of work at the time. We got to the point where I was like, oh, these guys have to go to school every day for three hours and I don't have this, Like I don't have to be here, like I can do whatever. And then when we come back, nobody's got a lot of energy, like nobody very loose. It became so there was I don't think Look, and also Blake had been doing this for a while already, so he he had everything dialed way more than I did. But I was I feel like that identity grew, you know, there was a there were higher stakes for you guys. You guys, you know, by the time I understood what contracts were and all of that, and how there were you know, not right, I don't think ever had a parent, but there were some parents. Ben's mom was always there, um and and so it was like, okay, we're now in our best behavior, and then there's just carnage in the trailer, you know, behind in the alley. We're out in the alley behind the building, which is like the you know, the crack alley on your Disney law. You guys were having so much fun though it wasn't super healthy, but it was probably so much fun. It was so much fun. It couldn't have been better. Like honestly, it spoiled me for jobs moving into the future, like some pilots that were multi camp pilots. Uh. After that, and I was just like, what are we doing? Why are we still here? Why? What do you know? Much learning? It's been done? I want three hours for lunch at the bar? What is the six I'm call all about? Yeah? I know I remember realizing that too, like after Boy met World, like working as an actor is hard, but multi multi caam it was the easiest schedule and and also coming in for me having have you guys having ironed whatever kinks out year one, even though I know it was changing a lot, it was already running. Once that machine is running for a while, it's it just knows what it is and they're not nobody scrambling to get everybody there. You know. It was like it was nice to come in on season two on a show that's established, that knows what it is or knows what it's becoming, and everybody knows their part. It was great. It was awesome. So looking back now after thirty very consistent years working in Hollywood, like, I just like to have a little list of some of the directors that Ethan has worked with, Martin Scorsese, Ted Demi, Todd Phillips, Tony k Tony Scott, Dave that Lynch, Kevin Smith, and Channing Tatum. What are your three feelings looking back on your very first job, Boy Meets World, David Trainer, the best guy in the business. Um, there's utter just the fondest memories. Like I I feel like, you know, uh, I've been asked many times like how do I get in acting? And I'm like, I don't know, you know, especially now, like who knows how anything works now? Because it's like everything's done like this on zoom. Like, if you guys were doing this three years ago, we'd be sitting in a room somewhere all together. What we don't even do that now. So I I don't know how it works now, but I know that, like you tend to not get your first audition, and and then when they say, like you're not in the union, you can't work, there's not a backup five hours later that says like, well, we'll take you and we'll handle that union thing. And so I've always felt really kind of um lucky or blessed in that way, blessed to be alive today with all the dumb stuff I did to my body. UM, blessed to have not um turned into a total life. You know, UM, maybe have yelled a few times in the last thirty years, but but never maliciously, which is thank god. UM. And uh, the fact that it started with boy Meat's world has been nothing but make me feel grateful because it has affected so many people, Like it's profound how many people of ridiculously varying ages through the years, from little kids to adults to adults now who said I grew up with you like you meant something to me. As a child. That's a huge deal. Did your kids watch it? Um? I don't know if my kids. We we shrive very hard to limit television, like we don't have kids in our We have some streaming platforms. I have told them many times, like I caught them as teenagers watching my name is Earle, and I was like, what are you doing? Turn that off? Like I don't want that plane into here. So I've always kind of like not like seeing myself and then felt uncomfortable with myself in my house. And so they haven't. I don't think they have. They might have. I have no idea. I don't as they My fellow co host here will tell you I am happily childless. I have a step daughter, but happily childless. But from everything I've heard about parenting, um, it sounds like you can catch your children doing a lot worse things than watching your own television show, for sure, which I and I taught them doing worse things than watching my But I don't even know. It's less of a it's less of a painful memory somehow, you know, them laughing at you, basically doing this performance to like distract people from actually looking at you. It was a very meta thing to walk into my house and see them watching the show and then saying like, no, it's actually pretty good dad. You know well I said the same thing to Blake, because Blake also hasn't watched it in you know, thirty some odd years. But if you ever feel so inclined, do yourself a favor and watch your performance on Boy Meets World, because it's great. It's great, man, you are truly phenomenal. And um, you know. Writer remembers talking about it with David Trainer, that David Trainer specifically pulling right aside and being like, look at this guy. Look at what he's able to do by like your second episode. He he like pointed you out. He's like, this is this is an actor. This is how you need to be like he is, so he's like, I mean, his point was, this character could easily be a joke. You know, this character could easily, as written, be one note. And Ethan is taking everything so seriously and committing so hard to what he's doing that this is like, you know, a masterclass in acting. Watch this guy. Um, And I totally remember it, and I remember realizing it too, which is partly why I thought you were such an old pro you know what, I've never assumed that it was your first job. In my mind, you were just this older genius actor I had to had to follow. I bet there, I bet a little bit of it was just like, don't blow this, you know, ye don't because I even remember, like I have to even today, go like, you got a job, you have to actually put some effort into this, because there is kind of the thing to go like, I've been doing this for a while, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna show up. And I was not just showing up for the world. I was working. I was like I was trying, you know, I was trying. Yeah, right, well it shows. It's it shows, I mean, really a remarkable performance. So thank you for being here with us, Ethan. I hope it wasn't too much of a I think you were being hassled on Instagram about it. You need to get anything. We were like, we are you know, any mention of Boy Meets World. It's it's nothing but pure glorious nostalgia for me. And I'm so glad you guys are doing this because I think that there are so many people who want to ask me questions about you guys, and I'm like, I don't know what to tell you talk to them. So I think it's like somewhat important that you guys are doing this. Thank you well, thank you, And if you'd ever like to come back for a recap, maybe we could force you to watch an episode and then you can come back and talk about it with us. All right, I'll do that. Yeah, I want to watch the one I remember talking about having a grilled cheese in my sandwich and somebody. That's something that people have said to me repeatedly, and so I need to go back and watch that. I have no idea what it is. Okay, we we will put we will put our producer on it to figure out which episode that is, and then maybe come back and recap that one with us. Yeah, okay, it's in season three. I just got a note it's in season three, so yeah, so we will. We will be wrapping this, uh this season up probably around June and then moving into season three, so maybe towards the end of this year you could come back and recap that one with us. I'm okay, awesome, thank you so much for being to see you guys. Wow, isn't it so crazy? How I was thinking about the fact that he has no memory really of being in Michael's office and pitching the script idea, And I'm thinking, isn't it so weird and wonderful and amazing? How many times it has come up that, like, our memories are all so different because of the things we're going on in our lives at the time, and like the things that were you know, like how it was so important to me that I got this audition for Topango when I was and yet ultimately it was just another guest star role, but to me it stood out so much. Um and here Blake, Blake, it was such a like it was such a memory for him, and Even's like, yeah, I have a recollection of doing something like that. But you're right, right, or to exactly what you said, he was already doing so many other things, not getting a phone call about boy Meat's world wasn't as high on his radar as it was maybe on Blake's exactly. Yeah, yeah, it's just so it's yeah, hearing those stories too, but I mean things that were happening on the set that we had no idea, but just all these different little worlds were going on these pocket worlds that are happening in this one global universe that was boy Meats World is uh is pretty cool and we're all going, wait what uh So? I think that's I think that's what That's what I'm taking away more from this podcast, I think than anything else, as much as I'm loving watching the episodes, and I am and it's phenomenal to kind of stroll down memory lane too. Oh, I remember shooting this and this is what the character did. Hearing the other experiences of the people that we had no idea what was going on in these little worlds has been so eye opening to me. It's been amazing. I mean, Blake and Ethan won't okay, Ethan was drunk yet three o'clock, we're going to the bar just a little bit. The thought of the two of them going to get a beer and then going to a movie and then showing back up to do our run through. Were you guys in English class two? Can you help me with the math problem? But it's also so funny that he lumps me in with that's what everybody lumped me in with with with you guys where it was I was actually apparently older than them, and we were just so different that the idea was hanging out and going to the shooting rangement. Yeah, it just never go I don't think it occurred to them to ever invite me to have a drink in the trailer, And it never occurred to me to ask. You know, we're just yours. We're such different people that you kind of now I want to go back and go just once. I want to go share a beer with those guys in the trailer. I know the one time you did go in the trailer and they played music with Jenny Lewis, Like, that was the awesome day. Yeah, it was a phenomenal day. So yeah, that was man, that was cool. And the whole god the story about his dad. I know, I wish we had a different podcast because I wanted to like really have a whole conversation about that. I was like, man, let's let's let's talk about this on the on the other podcast we have, and then a third podcast just to talk about all the films he's done and the directors that he's worked with, and and the grandchildren he has. These kids are Gray's of grandpa. He's a grandpa. That's cool, man And and then okay, so then we're gonna need that's four. We're gonna need a fifth just about his health journey, because that's a whole another world for him. Um and if you have not followed him and on Instagram and seeing his um his journey, it's staggering. And the people that he's helped in the kind of health world as well, myself included. I mean I was I would look at it every day and I would always send him a picture, you know, kind of hey killed my clone today, and he was always supportive. Yeah, it was very very cool. That's cute. 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