CHERIE CALBOM:THE JUICE LADY ON WHAT IS MAKING US SICK

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Fell in the Food Podcast, I am your host chef, Jeff Fell.
[SPEAKER_00]: This week we're talking seed oils and my guest today is Sherry Cowbomb aka the Juice Lady.
[SPEAKER_00]: She has a master's of science and nutrition, has also authored 36 books that have collectively sold over 3.5 million copies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her global bestseller, juicing for life alone, has empowered 2 million readers to reclaim vitality.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her latest book, The Truth About Seed Oils, exposes how the heart-healthy myth made a sick and how to heal with real fats.
[SPEAKER_00]: From serving as George Foreman's nutritionist to advising the royal family of the U.A.E.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sherry's influence spans continents and cultures.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sherry, welcome to the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for taking the time to talk about a topic that's really trended off a trend, but it's very popular today.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Truth About Seed Oils, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most listeners, they've heard the phrase seed oils are bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: A thousand times on TikTok, other social media, without every really hearing why, can you give me the real story and where did these seed oils actually come from?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a dark history, I call it, and it started the turn of the century before last when cotton seeds were piling up and rotting and smelling and people didn't want to do with them and it's like we've got to find a way to use these cotton seeds and
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's make oil.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they did produce a dark smelly oil that was used on machinery.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they said, why don't we try to refine this and make it not smell and look pretty and roll it out for the American cook.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in the early 1900s, that's what happened, but it was a very small market.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then came World War II.
[SPEAKER_01]: the ships carrying the tropical oils, mainly coconut oil, couldn't make it through the waters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the manufacturers of the seed oils, they were then called vegetable oils, said let's step up manufacturing, advertising, lobbying, and roll it out big time for the American cook.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hire cookbook authors and we'll just,
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell them the American cook, this is modern, and healthy, and good for you, and better than those old fashioned fats and oils you were using.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the new seed on market was born right after the war, something else happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unwanted, heart disease went up, heart attacks, all of a sudden in the early 50s.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are dropping over dead and Americans were alarmed and it's like what's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to the bottom of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So scientists went to work and doctors.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they found the plaque.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know of all know about the plaque and the arteries mounting up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at what's in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said fat and cholesterol and calcium and other things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to say no more saturated fat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So outwind, beef and dairy, cheese, butter, beef, talo, lard, all went out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was on eggs, we can't have eggs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's go with these new modern oils and call them heart healthy and really promote the fact that they are vegetable oils.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, the lipid hypothesis lipid meeting fat was born.
[SPEAKER_01]: That saturated fats and coconut oil has some saturated fat in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of these other fats are bad for you, and here's what's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And do we solve the heart disease heart attack problem?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's still the number one killer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the few voices of common scents that were crying in the wilderness, I say,
[SPEAKER_01]: or drowned out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were kind of pushed to the side or demonized because the seed oil companies didn't want to lose their market share.
[SPEAKER_01]: They only funded the research on those that had the right philosophy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other scientists and doctors that were trying to bring some common sense
[SPEAKER_01]: We're threatened like you won't have your nice position teaching at the university or we won't invite you to speak at conferences.
[SPEAKER_01]: We won't publish your papers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pressure like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there were some voices that were strong and brave and said, wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: We lost common sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been eating these fats for centuries.
[SPEAKER_01]: People have eaten butter and lard and talo and red meat and eggs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't have these heart problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's something wrong here with this hypothesis, but they weren't listening to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where we are today, but now we have more voices speaking out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you mentioned the lipid hypothesis and that was Ansel Keys, you know, and that's one of the course of your book, you know, for someone who's never heard of those names, what keys argues and what does that actually evidence say now?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Ansel Keys was a physicist and he was the prominent one during this time, in fact, it was because of Ansel Keys that the lipid hypothesis was born and he did some research.
[SPEAKER_01]: They now look back and say it looks like rather faulty research, but came to the conclusion that we've got to get rid of all these animal fats and saturated fats and get cholesterol out
[SPEAKER_01]: are healthy, heart healthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Later, down the road, Ansel Keys had a change of thought, and he began to question that lipid hypothesis.
[SPEAKER_01]: But by that time, nobody would listen to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wanted to listen to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it was ingrained in the American public to fear these fats.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's still there.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are still kind of afraid of beeftallow or lard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh no, I don't think I ever want to cook with that, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are plenty of good choices in the oils.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the avocado and coconut and olive oil.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got sesame seed oil.
[SPEAKER_01]: we've got almond and macadamia.oil so we're fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't ever want to go to the animal fat you don't have to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people love ghee the oil a butter and that's another good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the point of the whole thing is we've got to have some common sense because we're in it bad place still.
[SPEAKER_01]: We still have heart disease as the number one killer and we still have cancer usually in the number two position and both of those conditions in scientific studies are linked to seed oils.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, could you take me inside like an actual refinery?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what happens, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You have the seed oils that they're getting processed, you know, so from from field to like the supermarket shelf like, like, you know, right here, boom, you know, I got some sunflower oil.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it, how does that all work?
[SPEAKER_00]: What does that look like, you between, you know, hexa, you hear like hexane and deodorizing and bleaching.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what is actually happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: nasty places and if you've ever seen any clips online of what's happening looks pretty gross.
[SPEAKER_01]: Big, big amounts of seeds, drums of seeds probably are purchased and they begin to go through the process.
[SPEAKER_01]: They start with crushing and high-high heat like about 500 degrees and that alone, right there is toxic because these oils are fragile.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at a chemistry line above carbons and hydrogens, they have double bonds.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have several double bonds.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that means there's no carbon or hydrogen attached, and you don't need to remember any of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what does that double bond mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're broken easily.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're fragile oils, they're polyensatroid oils, and those double bonds break very easily.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just that high heat alone is going to really damage these very fragile oils.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then they go on to hexane, just as you mentioned, bleaching agents, de-gumming agents, all sorts of chemicals.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the time they roll out and look good and smell good, they are not good for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have toxic byproducts like aldehyde liproproxide,
[SPEAKER_01]: little bits of trans fat, most of us know trans fat is really a bad deal and we don't want to eat crispy, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's some trans fat in these oils as well because of all this processing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so these toxic byproducts are what is damaging cells.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the free radicals.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go in like I call them little torpedoes and damage cells throughout our body.
[SPEAKER_00]: interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like compared to like traditional facts, you know, talked to me about Omega 6 Omega 3 ratios like comparative like, again, what are ancestors ate with natural seeds and just nuts and things they found and what they would have?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is what is it the ratio matter when it comes to inflammation?
[SPEAKER_01]: it's huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we do need omega 6 fatty acids and we need omega 3s and there there's omega 9 obviously too, but the two most important ones are omega 6 and 3s we should have a balance in our diet of about 1 to 1 to 4 to 1 for omega 6 fatty acids to 1 omega 3 fatty acids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what's happening because we have so much seed oil in everything because manufacturers love it because it's cheap, it's odorless, tasteless.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can saturate their products with it, and it tastes moist and yummy, and it picks up flavors, and they don't have to spend as much money for high-quality oils.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's saturated in our diets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most people are eating seed oil's breakfast lunch and dinner.
[SPEAKER_01]: and we're getting a ratio that's way out of whack.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're getting it's estimated somewhere between 15 to 1 to maybe 20 to 1.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we should be 4 to 1 maps.
[SPEAKER_01]: in omega 6.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what happens?
[SPEAKER_01]: Omega 6 produces too much, produces inflammation throughout our body.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll add the core at the root of every disease, every ailment, anything that's plugging you is inflammation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's chronic inflammation, low grade for many, many, many conditions, so it means an ever ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a little fire going on in your body and you never can put it out, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, how do we bring balance?
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to up our omega threes, increase those, and what is of foods?
[SPEAKER_01]: Primarily, of omega threes.
[SPEAKER_01]: hemp seed, hemp seed oil, flax seed, flax seed oil, walnuts, walnut oil, walnut milk, fatty cold water fish, like salmon or sardines.
[SPEAKER_01]: I say that and those people go until like, nah, I don't eat much of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, and then of course, you know, little bits in other foods, like you just mentioned, then nuts and seeds and and whole foods and holding to grains.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're just, we're not getting very much omega threes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we need to up that and really decrease the omega sexes.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we do that, boy, a lot of people notice they're feeling a whole lot better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, I want to put the strongest counter argument to use the listeners here both sides in 2025.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct me if I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: JMA International Medicine Study found people with the highest seed oil intake were 16% less likely to die over the study window than those with the lowest.
[SPEAKER_00]: John Hopkins Stanford, AJ and MSK all currently say linoleic acid does not raise inflammation and randomized trials.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, first of all, you have to ask who paid for the study, that's way back to my master's degree in nutrition, our professors drilled that home, who paid for the study because when you have a certain outcome in mind, you pretty much can get there if you want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: we do need omega sixes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what kinds of oil they used.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you're using a, like you held up a staff flower, I think or a sunflower oil and it's cold pressed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's done the right way, which there isn't much on the market.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you just go to your regular grocery store, you won't find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They might have been using that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what oils they were using, but I do know.
[SPEAKER_01]: when you look prospectively back, and you look at where the seed oil started, and where we are today, we haven't improved any.
[SPEAKER_01]: Heart disease hasn't been corrected, but there are all these other studies that point to problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it's, do you think it's like the chicken and the egg type thing with like, you always hear about, um, the, the, you know, doctors and stuff don't want you to be healthy because they need patients to be sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this like cycle, I always hear about the cycle of they want to keep you sick so that way they can keep healthcare and does that kind of go back to that study of like you just don't know who's funding it and putting out that research data.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you said is so true.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is not much incentive for healthy people because who makes any money off that?
[SPEAKER_01]: So what we're finding, who is paying for the studies, who is promoting, and who's funding the lobbyists, who's funding the pyramids, we've just had a change in the food pyramid, and it's good, it's so much better than it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: But who's behind all of this is what we have to ask?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we need to be wise shoppers, wise thinkers, and use common sense because we're always being manipulated with good ads.
[SPEAKER_01]: and companies wanting to promote their product.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think about with ultra-process foods?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're attributing a lot of the disease and things from the oils, but do you believe it also plays a factor in all of these ultra-process foods that we have that it's just an adding layer to the whole problem?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, because one of my mind, I think, okay, if I took a seed oil at home and fried something,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, potatoes and I'm making some french fries, but I didn't do anything crazy with the potato.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I just fried the potato in a seed oil versus something that you're getting from the supermarket.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's been refined process.
[SPEAKER_00]: How much of it is the oil and how much of it is the, you know, the ultra-processed food piece of it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what a great question because it's all of the above.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I always point to that that we have to look at the
[SPEAKER_01]: chemicals, the processing, the additives, dies, the sugars, all of that is going into damage our bodies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, somebody's at home and they are using, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I got this big old tub of of Chrisco right here, vegetable oil that, you know, I use every so often here in the studio to fry, you know, how does somebody at home that, you know, costs, they're always cost conscious, you know, you see these on the shelves and they're fraction of the price compared to a peanut oil or a tallo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, tallo alone for a tiny little jar is $19.20.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you say to those folks that maybe don't have access or can't swap out an oil?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the big box stores now have avocado oil, olive oil, better prices for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, I always say, when we're pinching our pennies at one end, what price are we paying it another?
[SPEAKER_01]: And what's happening to our health because of that?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we have to consider that maybe I'm paying a few cents more right now, but I'm helping for the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to have to pay for drugs, sick days, and problems with emotions, body,
[SPEAKER_01]: seed oils have been connected to anxiety and depression and aggression, you know, when you think about the whole picture, what do we spend our money on?
[SPEAKER_01]: How much do we pay for over the counter drugs?
[SPEAKER_01]: How much do we pay for counseling?
[SPEAKER_01]: how much co-pay do we pay for prescription drugs?
[SPEAKER_01]: So in one sense, it is a great investment.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have a few extra dollars to invest in your health right now, it is the best investment you could make invest in you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I totally agree it's paying now or pay later.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a philosophy that I live with.
[SPEAKER_00]: People look at my grocery bill and they would be shocked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh my gosh, you spend how much on groceries.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a reason that I do it because I have that in mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, this may be 30, 40, 50 years out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I see people that are in their even 50, 60s and they're on a whole slew of drugs and go into the doctor constantly and it's like, well, was that a byproduct of the choices you made earlier in life, especially with your eating
[SPEAKER_00]: mixed with exercise or lack thereof.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you have to pay and people say I can't afford the drugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't afford to be healthy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, well, maybe if we shifted some of the narrative of take care of yourself now, that in the future, you won't have to or it's more of a steady across the board because you're not going to end up putting all that money into drugs and doctors appointments and all those type of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely, so many people have said to me when they changed their diet and they got on a different program like I'm recommending of whole foods and minus the seedals, minus the sugar, minus the fast food junk food, refined food.
[SPEAKER_01]: there to health change and their whole family changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've had many young moms say, wow, my kids aren't getting sick like they did before.
[SPEAKER_01]: They aren't getting the colds and the flu's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so what are we?
[SPEAKER_01]: What what we are doing today is building the body of tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: The choices you make, breakfast lunch and dinner, the choices you make for exercise, the choices you make for good mental health, that's building your body of tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so extremely important that we take care of this body because we only get one, and it's our walk through life, and we can be miserable, or we can feel great, and you write so many people are spending so much money on drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: My husband's aunt was spending like $600 a month out of her own pocket and they were extremely strapped for money and because they were on a fixed income and here's $600 bucks a month.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: $600 a month extra.
[SPEAKER_01]: Think of all the great food you could buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Think of all this supplements you could buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: How you could prevent disease.
[SPEAKER_01]: How you could correct problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because prescription drugs as far as anything I've ever looked at do not get to the root of the problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: They manipulate what you've got going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what we're talking about gets to the root of the problem and
[SPEAKER_00]: You said anxiety depression, I wouldn't think of a food product causing those things, how are those two things specifically linked to seed oils?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, they've done studies and we have them all in chapter two of the truth about seed oils, that they've linked in studies anxiety depression and aggression to seed oils.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's all there with the scientific studies and very interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe it's just seed oils.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it's a host of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sugar also in studies is linked to what I just named anxiety depression and aggression and also chemicals and also are very stressful lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: We many people very, very stressful lies.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are not sleeping well at night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lack of sleep also has been linked to those.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have to look at the whole picture, but we're talking about seed oils now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not avoid those?
[SPEAKER_01]: Be a wise shopper, buy better oils to cook with or fats and do everything you can.
[SPEAKER_01]: And avoid refined sugar.
[SPEAKER_01]: do some mental health things, try to destress as much as you can, and exercise.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of it fits together.
[SPEAKER_01]: As a nutritionist, I have to look at a whole picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know there are people out there saying, oh, it's just seed oils, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And even doctors, I've heard one, just seed oils.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it isn't just seed oils, but they're a big factor, and they're a villain in this whole story.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can do a whole lot on our part to avoid them by reading labels by choosing products that have better oils in them and there are more and more products coming on the market now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see avocado oil mayonnaise and I see chips cooked in beef talo or avocado oil or olive oil on crackers with a good oil in them, not a seed oil.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can just start taking our phone, take a picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did that the other day blow it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause little teeny print, and it's very hard to read what's in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's very good to read what's in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to know what you're consuming and feeding to your family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you yourself, in your 20s, healed yourself from chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give a little ray of hope of how you realize, you know, food might be the way out to curing, you know, what you had going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm so glad you mentioned that because yes, I was so sick in my 20s.
[SPEAKER_01]: I chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia of bad case.
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to move back home and sleep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd sleep 12 hours a day and wake up tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go back to bed a couple hours later.
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't exercise.
[SPEAKER_01]: just the thought of walking around the block at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if I'd make it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like I had the flu all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a nasty condition, low grade fever, swollen glands, feel just nasty from morning to night.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I went to some doctors and nobody knew what to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't know what to tell me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought, I've got to figure this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to find a way out of this hole, this dark hole I've fallen into.
[SPEAKER_01]: my whole future was ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had lots of plans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to write books.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never written 36.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I had written any then.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, you know, and I want to complete my degree, and I want to get married, and I want to travel, and I want to do all these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I went to some health food stores and talked to people there and just learned I'm doing everything all wrong, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I love junk food and fast food.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hated vegetables.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a sugar-holic on top of that my mother died of breast cancer when I was six.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I definitely had some emotional baggage and I learned about juicing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And changing my diet, I bought my first juicer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went on my five-day juice fast on day number five.
[SPEAKER_01]: My body is spelled at tumors about the size of a golf ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: had blue blood vessels attached about four or five of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I went back to school to get my degree, I learned that's called Angio Genesis and it's the growth of blood vessels to tumors to feed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was seeing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also learned about what I call natures or God's scissors that cut off that blood supply, fight on nutrients like apogen and luteal and powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's many of them, many different names.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're replete in our vegetables and fruit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was doing mostly vegetable juices.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was drinking nature's scissors and giving my body just pure food for five days and boy it went on a mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was young.
[SPEAKER_01]: the younger you are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the faster your body can hop to it and get to the healing process.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I got right at that and I thought, wow, I'm going to wake up tomorrow and feel great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be like a new person.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, my body was on a journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on a two step forward, maybe a step back here and there.
[SPEAKER_01]: of detoxing, healing, rejuvenating, and I thought, okay, I'm just going to stick with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to keep juicing and adding in, though now on Whole Foods.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even know to call them whole foods then, just organic, I could find organic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I did a lot of salads and soups and stews and stir fries and tons of vegetables and ancient grains and legumes like bean slumbles, but peas, I went mostly vegan that summer, and in three months I was well, I woke up one morning at that cemetery in New Body in the middle of the night, I felt like fabulous.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like jogging.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that's the best cure I've ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: could imagine, and it didn't cost me very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going back to Southern California and my friends in my old way of life, because I thought this is the best cure.
[SPEAKER_01]: We think in the West about cures, you know, and so back to my friends, they were going up for pizza, cheeseburgers and fries, and all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, I couldn't just join right in now.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, my symptoms started coming back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when it dawned on me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to have a different way of life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to prepare good foods.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to eat right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this has got to be my path.
[SPEAKER_01]: And being a typical American, I wanted to know how much I could get away with.
[SPEAKER_01]: How many bites can I have of that stuff?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I have two, three, four?
[SPEAKER_01]: I soon learned, because the cleaner you get the more your body talks to you, I couldn't have a whole lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to walk a more narrow line of real hole foods.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I got to pay off though, when you do that, you get to pay off.
[SPEAKER_01]: You feel good, you want, if you get sick, I got hit, just have a cold, but you bounce back a whole lot faster than if you're not strong and you don't have a strong immune system and you don't know what to do or what to use as to drink or foods to eat or smooth these
[SPEAKER_01]: It just amazed me so much at how effective diet was that I went back to school and got my masters in nutrition so I could be a credible source and help people to find their way because there is a way for everybody and I've worked with so many people, so many stories but I just have to tell you one quick one, a young mom got migraine headaches all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And no one could figure it out, not her naturopathic doctor or anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she decided to avoid seed oils.
[SPEAKER_01]: Completely as much as she could.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty hard to completely, but as much as she could.
[SPEAKER_01]: And her headaches went away and they've never come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go figure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, if you listen to your body, you have to really listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could say the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even we don't eat I'd personally mean my family don't consume a lot of fried foods like we don't have a fryer at the house.
[SPEAKER_00]: We actually use an air fryer and maybe I'll coat something, but there's usually enough stuff in the product that it still crisps up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the times that I do get it, I know I'm in for a world of her.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even like an hour or two later.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel groggy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I just, you just know you're like, oh God, here it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's that, that temptation like, oh, I still need the burger and the fries, knowing that there's going to be a repercussion.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, back to just the way you eat sleep.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know if I eat after a certain time period that I don't sleep well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wake up.
[SPEAKER_00]: in a certain mood.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hungry and you learn all these things slowly by really monitoring your diet, what you're eating throughout the day when you're eating, what you're eating, what you're putting in your body and it's so true that if you just listen to what is telling you, you usually can remedy it, but you have to be able to take those first initial steps just to listen.
[SPEAKER_01]: that's absolutely true and also to get kind of cleaned out is but I call it so that you can hear when we're toxic when our body is congested we don't hear as well the messages are kind of mixed we think we're really craving a bowl of chocolate ice cream or something and we're certainly not and so it really helps to do a more strict program to get kind of cleaned out
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish it wouldn't have eaten that, I don't feel so swift, you know, this morning and so yeah, that's your body giving you a loud message.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what does an average day of your eating look like?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so I'll give you my morning today.
[SPEAKER_01]: I make first a wellness shot and it's tumor and ginger and lemon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's pretty strong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I call it a taste bud exporter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's great for the immune system.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's anti-vary anti-inflammatory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Timmer can ginger binge-shown its scientific studies.
[SPEAKER_01]: to fight inflammation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then your lemon has vitamin C. Your ginger has zinc.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great immune support and immune builder.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I do a citrus shake for my husband and I with garlic, lemon and lime juice and about a tablespoon of
[SPEAKER_01]: extra virgin olive oil, some water, and I, she can put some orange juice with that if you want, I keep my sugars lower so I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And blend that all up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really delicious.
[SPEAKER_01]: My body seems to crave it, but it's a great liver gallbladder, gentle flush, and we do that a lot of days, just to cleanse and support the liver and gallbladder.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I make either a juice or a smoothie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I made a smoothie with this today.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do step cucumber, carrot, ginger, and tard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And pour it in the juice in a blender and add in a avocado and blend it all that up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was our smoothie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I usually sprinkle seeds or nuts on top, because I like a little crunch.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was my morning today, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep,
[SPEAKER_01]: like take it to work with them, or have it on the way to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sometimes make eggs as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I often do scrambled eggs, or maybe a hard boiled egg, I didn't today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Depends if I work out, I definitely need to steam, seem to need a little more protein in my diet, so I do maybe an egg after I get back from working out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then for lunch, I often have salad, and
[SPEAKER_01]: Last night, for dinner, we had a chicken and mushroom stir fry with a lot of vegetables.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tonight, I'm doing a main course salad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chicken curry salad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of greens and chicken and a curry dressing with avocado cilantro.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we do a lot of main course salads at our house as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, that's my husband's favorite
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, once to lose a couple of pounds and I just feel best on these big main course salads you make.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do a lot of soup as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you said salad and I want to make sure we bring up and talk about people like I'm eating salad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm eating healthier.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what is the dressing you're putting on the salad?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're opening up the bottle from the shelf and probably 95% of them are just low.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at the back of the bottle, you would just be hard pressed at how many ingredients are in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe give some people some easy swap outs that they could do at home versus just
[SPEAKER_01]: that question because yes, dressing is a big place that people fall off the wagons at his feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh my, all this garbage in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And most of them are loaded with seed oils, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad you said that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you a couple of brands that have olive oil and vinegar.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is Bragg's Um,
[SPEAKER_01]: vinegarat or sesame ginger is with olive oil and raw apple cider vinegar and I think Newman's own has one vinegarat that is just olive oil and vinegar.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I make my own a lot and it's so easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can start with those two ingredients and add all sorts of things, whether it's minced garlic, different herbs, lemon juice is a nice one with olive oil as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: you can do a tahini dressing that I've done at our raw foods retreats and people love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You take about a cup of tahini and a cup of or half a cup took a cup of water depending on how thin or thick you want your dressing to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then about a quarter cup of lemon juice and a sweetener of choice and I like liquid stevia or I use monk fruit as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: from time to time and just sweetened to taste, but if you're using stevia, you only need a few drops because it's so sweet, blend all that up and you've got a really delicious creamy dressing that is very, very good for you, the tahini which is sesame butter.
[SPEAKER_01]: is very, very rich in calcium.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a great addition to your diet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And people often say, well, I want creamy, you know, I want a creamy dressing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why can I have my rope further, my ranch, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you do, definitely make your own, but you can make your own vinaigrettes and then I do a or like a creamy kind of vinaigrette and you can add a good mayo to that like an avocado mayo or I've taken a good mayo and if you want a southwest salad you can add salsa
[SPEAKER_01]: And next that up with your mail.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is a really delicious creamy dressing for like a Southwest taste.
[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone's gonna do taco salad and I'll do that dressing and anyone listening the quick easy way if you don't want to buy mayo off the shelf because you're worried about what's in it all use a little hand stick blender if they're like 20 bucks eggs and a healthy oil.
[SPEAKER_00]: I use avocado oil for most things good nice bottle here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a couple of other things in there are a little acid, a little salt, a little pepper, and you've just buzz that up and you have mayo.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people don't realize how easy it is when it's really only four, five ingredients, but they see on a bottle 12, 13, 14, 15.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that scares them away of like I could never make this product because it's got too many ingredients inside of it to make it, but just know you can make a lot of these things at home or that's at least like you said.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to get ranch, make it home, get the buttermilk, get the deal, get all the ingredients you need to make it, and then store it in the fridge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good for a week or two, you know, make as the amount that you need versus buying it off the shelf because it's going to, it's going to just be better alternative for you overall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sherry, if a listener takes one action this week after hearing this episode, what do you want that to be?
[SPEAKER_01]: be very aware of seed oils in your food and where you're eating out.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are restaurants that are seed oil free.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can find those, get the app, seed oil, scout app.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go to my website juiceladyinfo.com and I've got a link for a free trial to sign up and just like you said, you and your family don't eat fried foods very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So avoid those fried foods.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to
[SPEAKER_01]: find something, do it at home with beef towel or avocado oil that have a high smoke point.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's exactly going into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But make wise choices when you shop, read labels, look at the products you're buying, and sometimes it's just a simple swap, like do I want these chips or these chips?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're going for these chips because they're cooked in avocado oil or beef towel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And do I want these crackers or these crackers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to go for these crackers because they don't have a seed oil in them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, lots of simple changes we can make and then what oils are you buying are fats for your family, for your cooking at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's so many choices now with
[SPEAKER_01]: big box stores with better prices, so you can go with avocado oil, coconut oil, olive oil, and just all the way around be very aware of what you're putting in your body.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, awareness is the first and best place to start.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you know what made you sick, at least you can make a correction later.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you don't know what made you sick and you're just clueless, then you can't make those corrections.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now you can't hear what you just heard.
[SPEAKER_00]: The book is the truth about seed oils, where should people get it, and where can they find you online?
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the truth about seed oils, and Amazon has got it, and you can find me online at juiceladyinfoionfo.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to get to the seed oils landing page, where there's some free gifts and the connection for seed oil scout, just click on the book right on the homepage.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll take you right over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And follow me on Instagram at JuiceLadySherry, C.H.G.R.I.E.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a lot of recipes, reals coming out all the time, and about juicing and about seed oils, and lots of tips on health and different things you can do to stay healthier.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cherry, we'll get all that linked into the show notes of people can easily find all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as usual, be sure to follow us on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or check us out of the website, fell into food.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: And until next time, catch you on the sunny side.