Where There's a Will, There's a Way with Will Packer

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome to this episode of Keep It Positive. Sweetie.

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Speaker 2: I'm Christine Hazeley, and today I have a wit men my cousin, Oh my gosh, Will Packer.

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Speaker 1: I'm good Like.

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Speaker 3: We actually got like real cousin, you know, black people just.

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Speaker 4: Everybody, but no, we actually my wife is her maiden name is Heather Hazeley.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so they actually are cousins, real family.

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Speaker 2: Real family, not like all the rest of y'all. You know, coul y'all be calling anybody.

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Speaker 4: Good, absolutely, biting everybody to the cookout everybody, y'all cousin this fam for real right here?

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Speaker 1: You amazing?

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Speaker 3: How are you really really good?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 3: Come on?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? He was down the street. I was like, what you're doing? We ain't playing none of this. Driving by, I was like, what you're doing, She's like, pull up, pull up. They put a mic on me. I was like, you know what, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: See what happens.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you. I appreciate that. I absolutely no.

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Speaker 2: I had I called you when we were deciding to do season two and I was like.

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Speaker 1: Well I really want to have you on. You were like I'm there.

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Speaker 2: And I appreciate that this whole series came about because my managers like, we want, I think it's time for you do a podcast, and I was like, it is my voy. I don't really feel like I have that much to say because I don't talk that much. I talked even saying the people I'm comfortable with, but like just talking to cameras unless it's scripted, I really don't feel like I have much to say. And it has been this amazing journey, so many people healing and laughing and all the things every single week. So I'm super excited about how it's come along.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, you keep it positive, yes, Like what is that about?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that story a little storytelled.

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Speaker 2: Some of you guys may know this, but when I first moved into this house, I had a young lady who helped me organize. She organized my closet and I posted it because I like to support people in their business is. And this girl was like, instead of showing off all your bags and purses and all this stuff, you need to go buy some land and some other things. And I was like, who says I don't have that?

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Speaker 1: So I had time and normally I.

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Speaker 2: Did okat and my little fingers got to texting and at the end of it, I said hashtag keep it positive.

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Speaker 1: Sweetie, and it just ran like all my fans were like, keep it positive, sweet to keep it positive.

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Speaker 2: So we were going to do just a segment of the show because we were going to call it Abundant Living with Crystal Renee, and I was like, we should do like a segment like keep it Positive, just to spread positivity, and they were like, no, that's the name of the show.

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Speaker 3: I like it. So I also love how you took something that was negative. Negative.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody was trying to be negative, right, somebody's trying to clap a little bit. And now look at this platform and to that negative system or brother whatever.

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Speaker 3: You know. We appreciate you, sure do.

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Speaker 4: Helping to give birth to this to a great idea for a platform you already had the platform. I love the fact you are using your voice though, and in the name of positivity.

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Speaker 1: We need more of that, we do.

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Speaker 2: We live in such a negative world and you get on Instagram or Twitter's turn on the news.

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Speaker 1: Everything is so negative. Yeah, you know, so just.

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Speaker 4: That, especially in the position you're in, right, and it'll be a little bit too, but you yeah, you know, like out in front consumer facing in front of the cameras, you know, me being behind what I respect about you and your peers. You guys are constantly putting yourselves out there for judgment.

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Speaker 5: Talk about it, not just your characters, not just the roles, not just your shows and projects and movies, but also yourself personally, because these days, you know, are amazing.

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Speaker 4: Consumers and fans don't often know the difference, don't care to know the difference. Try to combine it all one. You're just a persona right, Yeah, as you know you and I know that that's such a complete separation. The roles you may play, the character you play, what you even may have to do to even, like, you know, promote a project, Yeah, may be very different than who you are personal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, But a lot of times, you know, folks don't give people like you grace for that. They don't ought to be one thing. They want to be perfect when they see you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they want to see you exactly the way that they see you after you've gone through hair, makeup and what drove and reading scripted lines.

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Speaker 3: Also exactly what they want in their minds.

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Speaker 2: That is it, And it gets so heavy, Will yeah, it gets so heavy.

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Speaker 1: August was a really heavy month for me, and I just had to delete my Instagram, did you really? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I had to just completely detach myself from the world because all these like everybody need something.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's like, can you do this?

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Speaker 2: Can you do the cannet or it's all these opinions and we need more of this, we need more of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm just one person. Yeah, and it's almost like I feel like they own you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about the time we first met.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know if you remember.

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Speaker 1: This, Stuth the Yard two.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow?

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Speaker 1: Really I was an extra.

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Speaker 3: You're an extra South too? What?

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Speaker 1: I was an extra in south Y R two.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was like November December was cold or is early party whenever it was. It was cold outside, okay, and I was sitting under ten it was raining that day. All the extra were sitting outside under a tent. Just we're just all of a sudden, I remember exactly what I had on that day. Really had on a burnt orange swayed Bebie jacket. Okay, okay, dating myself, but I had a BB jacket on and this production assistant came outside and said, orange Jacket, come here, and I was like me and he was like yeah, And I was like, okay, saw walk inside. We're in Pooch's Pooch Hall's house, like I guess the frat house, and you were. You and Rob Hardy were there, and you were like, all right, we're gonna use you as Pooch Hall's girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: He's a senior in college. He doesn't have a girl.

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Speaker 2: So everywhere we see Pooch from this point on in the film, you'll be there.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: And that was the first time because I had been just trying to get my foot in the or just doing background work everywhere I could.

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Speaker 1: In the city. And this is when at two thousand and what year was that? Was that two thousand and twelve, ten or twelve? When did some of the yard.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, two thousand.

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Speaker 4: You know what's crazy is that I had not too long started dating Heather exactly.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that had to be ken right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, twenty ten, Yeah, and I was trying.

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Speaker 2: I was this the industry was really just getting popping here in Atlanta, the film industry, so I was trying. I was doing background work, just trying to get in. That was the first time I actually felt seen in the industry.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, it's the only listen.

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Speaker 1: I need to find that.

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Speaker 2: I should have saved that, but it was that moment where I was like, Okay, there's something here I can If I'm getting asked to do this, I know I can do more.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and then fast forward to think like a man one.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: It was a small role in the beginning. Tika Sumter ended up doing it, but I had flew out to La. Me Andayla had gotten cool okay, and I flew out to l A to audition with Harden.

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Speaker 1: Is it Kim Harden? Kim Harden?

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Speaker 3: She was.

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Speaker 4: I was so value you know, you at the level you at now, so you can look back and beyond it, Like.

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Speaker 3: What was it I'm trying to remember.

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Speaker 2: I think it was when Michael Ely was like trying to date girls or he was kept interviewing, like the girls kept changing at the table.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and it was one of them.

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Speaker 4: That's so interesting because that was obviously that was before ride Along.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so short in the very beginning, but it makes it made the movie the movie. Yeah, all right, he made the movie.

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Speaker 4: So after Stomp the Yard too and shout out to stomp Yard two and that crew and an R I p to twitch. Yeah, amazing acting choreographer who some of you, you know, maybe aware.

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Speaker 3: It passed away. But after that, then you when you.

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Speaker 4: Flew to later audition, was it like did Kim request you to come to was it open and you knew about it?

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Speaker 3: You were like, like, how did you end up?

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Speaker 2: I think that was yeah, yeah, because I was doing music and me and Chela gotten really cool.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is.

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Speaker 2: No I was doing just doing music, got music and trying to act.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like we had this small role. You should come.

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Speaker 3: It came before makeup. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Makeup is just what I like to do. Yeah, I just do that for fun. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Got you styling?

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Speaker 1: Styling?

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Speaker 3: Sorry? Yeah, came before you were startling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, And I actually started styling because I was trying to be around what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 3: Smart yeah, very smart. By the way.

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Speaker 4: Listen to that, right, because it's not always that you can just jump in at the position that you you know want to you can, but you put yourself in the proximy, in the orbits you excellent.

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Speaker 3: You showed your greatness, which is a thing of mine.

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Speaker 4: I always say, show your greatness, and so you showed your greatness, and you know, look at you now, but you put yourself. Some people would have said, I don't want to do anything but the one singular vision that I had, and you didn't do that.

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Speaker 3: You know, it sounds like that benefited you.

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Speaker 1: It did, It really did.

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Speaker 2: And working behind the scenes doing costuming, costume designing really helped me understand the entire production.

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Speaker 1: So I have a different perspective as an actor.

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Speaker 2: I understand the lighting guy, understanding the camera guy, understanding set deck.

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Speaker 1: I understand the grips and everything that's going on.

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Speaker 2: I understand what time they got the more thing to make it happen for us, you know, because.

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Speaker 3: That was you. You have there before everybody else. Yeah the morning. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, You're the best type of actor and actress because you not just have empathy, but have a full understanding of what everybody else does. I feel that same way, like I have literally done every job on a film set. I have held the lights, deadcraft service, I had boomed whatever it was in my early productions. I had to yes, but it gives me a different level of Number one, it makes me smart in my job and what I do right, Like, you know, you can't get over me and tell me. You know that these you know, lights cast something that I know they don't cost because I was the one that actually rented the lights when I first started. But then also it also gives me a better connection with the crew and a film. You know, set is a crew, it's a family. Everybody working together. It's a team.

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Speaker 3: And it's like any team sport, you need everybody working together if you're gonna win.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, I just you having that perspective absolutely helps you, helps.

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Speaker 3: You as a performer. But also I'm sure your crews love you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I get it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah Yo, that's so crazy. Alright, So something yard which.

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Speaker 4: I did not know, and then audition for things like a man which I did not know. Today I learned, Okay, all right, And you don't think you did very well or that I was so nervous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean Los Angeles on the lot, like going to this office.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what how did I even get here? My heart was literally pounding.

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Speaker 4: Feel, And now I'm saying something it was we did a thing like a man, because now you're making me think about that process. And remember la la, he is any thing like a man. I also think of a man too. But she comes in and she is she's making good friends, right. She auditioned for that.

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Speaker 3: Role, and I knew Lie and.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if she knew the director Tim's story, but she and I were cool. We're much closer even now. But she was so nervous and I actually haven't even told the story. She was so nervous that she's auditioning and she's standing up in an audition that we're doing and the producer directors are in it, so maybe she'd already done around with the casting director.

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Speaker 3: And now it was the round with me and with Tim.

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Speaker 4: And she's so nervous that her leg was shaking the whole old time. So she's trying to read the lines and like like three because she's her voices like is going so and I just kept saying, baby, calm down, right, I said, relax, you got to solve it. So my point is that it gets everybody because it's hard, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, y'all see the end result but it's tough.

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Speaker 4: You got to go in a room in front of these people that are in effect.

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Speaker 3: Judging you yes, and just like that, turn it on. Let's go.

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Speaker 4: And if you haven't done it a million times, you know, if you're new in it, it's okay to be nervous.

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Speaker 3: It hits everybody.

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Speaker 4: So anybody watching this that's going through a moment, whether you can try to be an actress, actor, or audition interview for the job, it's okay.

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Speaker 3: The nerves will be there. You just do the best. You can't fight to it, Like, how did you? What did you? How did you get over that whole nervous You know what?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, it was acting classes, and it was just learning to have to break down a character and taking Crystal out of it, because I think what I was trying to do is bring Crystal to every character, and I had to remove my stuff from it and really just figure out who this character was.

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Speaker 1: And when I did that, it was like, Okay, this is way easier than I thought.

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Speaker 2: You know, yes, but it took really just learning how to break down a character and really turn into that person versus trying to be Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Got yeah, got yeah, And that's easier.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I don't get nervous anymore, like this first, even saying when I go to set, it's now, it's fun, you know, even like working on we I worked on.

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Speaker 3: Now God work, y'all come on, tell it, tell it, tell it.

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Speaker 1: So last summer I get a call and they're like, we got this role. Thank you'd be great for it. It's a Will Packer move. And I'm like, you had me at wheel Packer?

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Speaker 2: What it And they were like, it's a first lady playing opposite of Mac Wilds. I was like, okay, that's my dog was perfect and so there's like she sings too, and I was like, okay, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: So this is how God works.

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Speaker 2: I started off as an extra and then years later, many years later, after I did the word, then I got my own role in a movie with Will Packard.

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Speaker 1: Yes, amazing, earned yes and had it and they had the.

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Speaker 3: Audition or nothing that people just called you and said do you want to do it?

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Speaker 1: Period?

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Speaker 3: But you earned that.

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Speaker 1: Listen years later, that's amazing.

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Speaker 3: That is amazing.

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Speaker 2: Full circle, he is that was a full circle moment. And working on set with you and your team shout out Saila, Yes, shout out Tina Gordon. Yes, yes, the cast of phrases everybody.

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Speaker 1: It was just so much fun. It was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that's how we that's how our first I remember us meeting.

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you said that because I didn't remember, and I thought, you're gonna ask me where we met.

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Speaker 3: I was about to make them something.

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Speaker 4: I was definitely gonna be like its firing Club one twelve in the VIP doing.

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Speaker 3: Shots and yeah, I did not know. It was somethingr too. That's great, that's taking me back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then Sheila called me one night Halloween.

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Speaker 4: And that was Shayla's first time working for me. What on Stump the Yard Too? So Sheyla, I'm sorry, yeah, sum Yard too. Shyla was.

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Speaker 3: The extra.

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Speaker 4: She worked in the extra's department, like she was the PA that was saying, hey, orange jacket, come on on Stump the Yard. One on the first Stump the Yard. That is where I met Shayla. But didn't really meet Shayla because she was a part of the crew, but she worked in the extra's department. And so after that, between then and Stump Yard Too, she was working for somebody else. And like I would just see her around Atlanta. Then she was available and got hired. So that movie was also the first time that she was working for me as my assistant. Wow, and now she's off, you know, co producing the.

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Speaker 1: Oscarla is popping. Yes, no question, girl is doing her thing.

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Speaker 3: Is she is her?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: She called me one one weekend, one night it was Halloween, and she said, hey, what are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I was like nothing.

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Speaker 2: She told me my boss are and his girlfriend are going out. If you want to come out with us. I was like, okay, So I addressedup as a boxer that night.

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Speaker 1: I was, yeah, you're like.

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Speaker 3: We all hung out on halloweene life.

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Speaker 1: This is when I found out Heather was my cousin.

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Speaker 3: Where was it we got all this?

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Speaker 2: Yes, where we go in Atlanta? I feel like it was a club in Midtown. We were in a section. I cannot remember the.

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Speaker 1: Name of it.

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Speaker 3: I remember this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I came in and I was a I feel like I was a boxer or a bunny, one of.

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Speaker 1: The one of those.

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Speaker 3: Okay, those are two very different. I think it was a boxer, okay.

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Speaker 2: And we met I met up with Chala and we went and Heather and I were talking and she was like, yeah, my name is Heather Hazlet and I was like wait what She was like Hazel and I was like, that's my last name and she was like I ness. When we found out related, I was like, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: And then you married her resident history.

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Speaker 3: Life.

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Speaker 1: Listen. I love y'all.

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Speaker 4: Y'all though, because she's so you know, it's a lot, it's a lot, but she is the best.

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Speaker 3: I love changed my life, that's all. You know, when you know it's back.

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Speaker 2: When that yes, back when, Yeah, y'all just celebrated eight years, yes, anniversary.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: How do you manage I know, like in this industry, it's hard to manage relationships. You you guys travel together, always have fun, dancing, laughing. What is the key that you can tell because right now, like every time I turn on my phone, I feel like somebody's getting divorced. Like, what is the key that you can tell people to like help keep your marriage together in sacred.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's you know, you are so on point when you talk about the feeling of.

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Speaker 3: Marriage is not lasting.

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Speaker 4: And a lot of my friends, like a lot of your friends who are folks in the industry haven't made it, and this industry can be very tough, and part of the reasons what you and I were talking about before, which is that the public gaze. Right, it's one thing if you're in a relationship with somebody, you having your issues and it stays in these four walls. Yes, these days unfortunately, just like you have fans that feel like, oh, like I have a right to Crystal Renee and I want her to be the way that I want her to be all the time, people also feel that way about relationships.

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Speaker 3: Well, when you have people who have.

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Speaker 4: Built public personas largely based on interaction with fans, it's difficult to then say, all right, I'm gonna take this part of my life and be private.

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Speaker 3: I tell people that I'm dating, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, and you know because a lot of times people in the industry try to keep relationships private at first, but once you see them out at dinner and you know, cameras are slashing and you don't address it, then it's like, oh, they got to be something's happened. It's very difficult to build a healthy relationship with that kind of a founder. So for me, for sure, it definitely helped not be in front of the camera because everybody wasn't, you know, clocking my every move. But what I will say is that then going forward, we have like our relationship.

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Speaker 3: You know, I say all the time, how you see it's on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Is how we are in real life literally, and Instagram is just literally ten percent.

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Speaker 3: Like my social media managers like, give me more of you and Heather content. People really like it. That's exactly people really like it. That's her name is Decca. Decca man, people really like you and Heather together. Give me more of that.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm like, Okay, I'll try give us an idea for something to do, but for the most part, you have to catch it organically because if we're doing it for the gram, then it feels like you. So number one, we don't live our relationship on social media. Number Two, you said that we go everywhere together. That's so true. And I will say this, and I definitely will say this to the guys that are watching this, is that the best thing.

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Speaker 3: That happens for me.

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Speaker 4: Number One, she literally is my best friend. So I like to be with her and be around but also Heather, even when I'm like, okay, you know, I gotta go somewhere and I'm gonna be gone for two weeks, you know, or a week. I'mna be going for a week. Maybe you don't have to go if you don't want to. She always is like, now I'm gonna go ahead and go. I'm gonna go, And it lets me give her a hard time, like you always want to go everywhere I go. But secretly, I'm like, I love her being there, and it just strengthens our relationship because if you really like the person that you're with, then what like, of course I want to be around because she actually strengthens me, makes me feel better.

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Speaker 3: Now she's not draining.

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Speaker 4: There's some people in relationships that are draining, and you like, I really need a break, not just that we've been together forever break, but I need just a break from that person's energy.

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Speaker 3: Well that's a red flat, right.

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Speaker 4: You want somebody who is actually filling you up and not draining. So we are together a lot, and now that our kids are out of the house, because our kids, our youngest is in college, so now they're out of the house, we really are loving this.

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Speaker 3: Phase because you know, I love my kids. I can't wait for them to get out the house. You telling them, I said that they.

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Speaker 4: Know it ain't the shame, but it gives us so much more freedom at this stage in our lives. Whether you were in a relationship where you got young kids, older kids travel a lot, don't travel a lot, what you really want to try to do is find those areas where you're both feeding each other. I've always said, when I keep her smiling, she keeps me smiling. So my job is to make her happy, keep her smiling, because then she has everything that she needs to keep me smiling and keep me happy. And she knows, especially in our relationship, like you know, I like to say.

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Speaker 3: She keeps me upright, She's like, Okay, what do you need?

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Speaker 4: I got to give it to you, keep it up right because you're giving this to the family and to us.

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Speaker 3: But she can't give it to me if I'm not giving it to her.

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Speaker 4: So whatever your dynamic of your relationship is, it needs to be that cycle right. And the other thing I say is that, you know, we kind of treat our relationship like the Crown.

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Speaker 3: Did you watch?

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Speaker 4: So the thing about the Crown is that no matter what was going on, they was getting, they was gonna stay together.

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Speaker 3: And it was a mess.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm not encouraging putting up with some craziness, but the mentality was, it's.

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Speaker 3: Us like, that's not an option. It was not great divorce and leading is not an option.

00:22:35
Speaker 4: And I would give I would give all props to Heather because I my parents were together, you know, forever till my father passed. So I saw a relationship where it was like they stayed together. So I definitely had that mentality. But I also like most men where you know, look, we were shut down. Men are not as mature as y'all, and we were shut down and be like, all right, well you know what you burnt the toasin.

00:22:56
Speaker 3: You got mad with me, So I guess how we splitting the kids? You want to do? What we're doing with customers?

00:23:02
Speaker 4: Like dudes would just we we'd be ready to be out.

00:23:07
Speaker 3: And I can fall victim to that.

00:23:09
Speaker 4: But one thing I know is that my wife just she ain't gonna let me go nowhere, right even when I'm on my immature silliness, she'd be right there like, well, you're just gonna to figure it out with me next to you. And so I know that we don't have any other option alternative.

00:23:23
Speaker 3: So we figure it out.

00:23:24
Speaker 4: Once you make it an option to end the relationship, then it never be somebody's gonna push the button. If there's a button of ended, somebody's gonna push it if there's no button at all, you know.

00:23:35
Speaker 3: And the last thing I say is, so two things are.

00:23:38
Speaker 4: Kind of movies that inspired the Crown because it's like them people stay together.

00:23:41
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

00:23:42
Speaker 1: It was crazy.

00:23:45
Speaker 4: No matter what it's like, that's not the option. So we gotta figure it out. The other thing is Game of Thrones.

00:23:50
Speaker 3: I don't know if you watch that show, so we connect.

00:23:56
Speaker 4: So Game of Thrones, you know, there's a scene there's a concert left in there about the White Walkers, these crazy zombie folks that were coming. And you had all these people that were fighting, these various kingdoms fighting. But some folks would always say the enemy is to the north, Like we can fight all we want, but the true enemy is to the north. Hell, Heather and I say that when we get into something and it's an external pressure.

00:24:22
Speaker 3: Either she or I will always say, listen, the enemy is to the north. This ain't the enemy. You ain't the enemy. I ain't the enemy. The enemy is to the north. It's whatever happened with that external thing and the same thing is true. So some are celeb couples.

00:24:35
Speaker 4: The enemy is people on social media saying stuff, dropping stuff, trying to throw salt. They ain't got nothing better to do. That's the enemy to the north. Like no, that, don't let that impact their relations I love that.

00:24:44
Speaker 1: The enemy to the north.

00:24:45
Speaker 3: That is y'all give it up.

00:24:49
Speaker 2: Yes, the people needed that because it's like every time it's like what if people you released expecting like wait what, I know what happened?

00:24:57
Speaker 1: I know we need to hear that.

00:24:58
Speaker 4: There's different pressures the days on folks awful. You don't have to be a celebrity. Somebody watching this right now trying to figure out how to make it through their marriage, you know, try to remove the external pressure, try to keep it internal and try to figure out if you can solve it internally.

00:25:14
Speaker 3: Before you get it.

00:25:15
Speaker 4: Sometimes external could be a mom that's trying to do well means well, giving advice. I know what I'm talking about. They're not in your relationship. The best friend not in your relationship, the cousin not in your relationship.

00:25:26
Speaker 3: It's you and that person.

00:25:27
Speaker 1: That's so good. Yeah, that's good.

00:25:30
Speaker 2: I want to know a little bit, and I'm sure the audience wants to know to a little bit about your journey and how you even got started.

00:25:36
Speaker 1: You know, they see Will Packard today, will power Packer today. But like, what was the beginning beginning for you?

00:25:42
Speaker 4: It was when I was at FAMU and yeah, I was, yes, absolutely shout out to the rattlers and and I did not at the time when I first came to fam you, being a filmmaker wasn't a dream of mine. I wanted to be an entrepreneur and I was. I didn't even want to go to fam you.

00:26:01
Speaker 3: Honestly, I wanted to go to.

00:26:04
Speaker 4: The University of Pennsylvania because they are an Ivy League school with a very well known business school, the Wharton School of Business. I knew I wanted to have my own business. That was very clear in my mind. I wanted to work for myself.

00:26:17
Speaker 3: I wanted to be the boss, I wanted to be the CEO. And so I was going to business school.

00:26:23
Speaker 4: But I got this big scholarship to go to fam You, but it was tied to engineering. I knew I didn't want to be an engineer, but my math and science test scores and grades were very high. I've always been very good with that kind of analytical thinking. And my dad was an engineer, so I knew engineering and I got a scholarship to be an engineer. I didn't want to be an engineer, but my parents were like, listen, we know you want to go to that Ivy League school. How much money they give me you? I was like, well, they're not giving me any money. But I got in. They was like, how much money is fam you give me? I was like, well, they giving me everything. They were like, guess where you going to school? I know that my parents made a decision for me, and it was the best decision made for me ever, right, And so I go to family you and I hook up with my lifelong friend and my line brother.

00:27:14
Speaker 3: Uh cause we're both alphas, the only fraternity that there is out there. Please make a note of that. And so he and I. He wanted to be a filmmaker.

00:27:23
Speaker 4: He very clearly knew he was inspired by Spike Lee and the Hughes brothers, the Hustland Brothers, like black filmmakers that.

00:27:30
Speaker 3: Had come for him. He knew he wanted to do that. It was very clear.

00:27:33
Speaker 4: And so I was really just kind of helping out my friend make a movie w and I helped him to raise the money to shoot the movie, and I helped him to shoot it, and I helped him to self distribute the movie. And that's how I got involved with it. We finished that Mottle movie is called Chocolate City, set on family's campus. Still to this day, it was the it's the first movie shot by HBCU students out an HBCU to get national distribution. We shot out the movie and sitting out the Hollywood and Hollywood couldn't care less. Then people did not return. No, they we invited them to the world premier Chocolate City, and we would send it to the assistant with the hope of at least.

00:28:13
Speaker 3: Tell us you're not coming at least something.

00:28:16
Speaker 4: That's why I try to, like, you know, my amazing executive assistant is here today, Sean tau Heslop, and I say, you know, let's always respond, let's.

00:28:25
Speaker 3: Reply you invite us to do something.

00:28:27
Speaker 4: Because then people did not reply to the assistant.

00:28:32
Speaker 3: The assistance assistant couldn't say nothing.

00:28:35
Speaker 1: Nobody could.

00:28:36
Speaker 3: Nobody replied. Hollywood couldn't care less about that movie.

00:28:38
Speaker 4: However, at FAM you it was a big deal amongst that crowd that we made it for and with. They really cared about that movie, and I realized, well, that's who.

00:28:49
Speaker 3: I'm making my movies for.

00:28:50
Speaker 4: Not people who don't know me and don't care about me. I'm making movies for a very core, specific audience and that has served me well to this day. So that little movie we came out, out shot it, made a little money with it and actually made a lot of money for broke college students. And that's when I said I can do this. I've been looking for a business to start on my own. I helped raise the money, get the distribution. What is that call what I did? And I looked it up, and so that's what a movie produce. Yeah, I'm gonna be a movie producer.

00:29:22
Speaker 3: Wow, that's what I'm gonna be.

00:29:23
Speaker 1: I know that's right.

00:29:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, the biggest movie producer okay out here doing it.

00:29:31
Speaker 1: I love it. So now that you now you're Will Pack, like the Will Pecker that everyone knows, and you've worked with Regina, Regina Hall, Kevin Hard, You've done a lot of movies.

00:29:44
Speaker 3: The rest of the rest are good. I made Kevin.

00:29:46
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know that, but you know, before for Will Packard, Kevin just had a bunch of failed sitcoms, and that's just you know, get credit what credit is due. I made Kevin Hart. You can put that on the quote at the bottom of this podcast.

00:30:02
Speaker 1: Period. But what was it calling them? Because I can imagine they are a lot of fun to work with.

00:30:09
Speaker 3: The best they are. They are, and I really enjoy.

00:30:13
Speaker 4: Working with folks you know who I know and who I know are gonna give me something. And that's that's not unique to me, you know, Tyler, does it look at you all the relationship looking like Maris Scorsese, How you working on the same actors?

00:30:26
Speaker 3: John? At the thing about those folks.

00:30:28
Speaker 4: You name, keV, Regina Idris, I mean, first of all, they work hard. I know that I'm gonna get what I need from a work ethic standpoint, because there's some amazing talents out there that it's not worth it to work with them. I hate to say that, but that's just true.

00:30:44
Speaker 3: There are some folks and it is just.

00:30:47
Speaker 4: So much that comes with working with these people, and life is short, and so you know, that is something else that's just a little nugget that I'll put out there. Relationships Hollywood is not the only relationship driven business, right most industries, people work with the people that they like to work with. And so if all things are equal, and you got a certain level of talent, somebody else got a certain level, but you hard to deal with. Don't nobody like working with you? Guess who're gonna continuously get hired? And so I definitely have a great relationship with those folks because they always delivered for me.

00:31:19
Speaker 3: I know what I'm gonna get from them.

00:31:20
Speaker 4: And I was there at the at the you know, start of it, just just the actual career. He already had the wire. So he's are I mean, all these people are already amazing. I helped you say I made. What I would say is that it just has always.

00:31:34
Speaker 3: Wanted to be me.

00:31:35
Speaker 4: That's kind of good thing because he's like when I dress, when I wake with the money, how can I be Will Packer? Like you can kind of see whatever he does. He's like, how can I be Will?

00:31:44
Speaker 1: Like?

00:31:45
Speaker 3: It's just you know whatever, that's not.

00:31:47
Speaker 1: The point that's see it.

00:31:49
Speaker 3: Of course, either you.

00:31:50
Speaker 4: Like about Indris, you kind of look at me and it's like, oh that's Will. There's the original and then there's right, somebody that's trying.

00:31:58
Speaker 3: But it's fine. I don't. I don't just bespirch my brother, good luck, you know whatever.

00:32:02
Speaker 4: Uh So with DRIs, he was coming off the wire and his first his first theatrical movie was a little movie I made called The Gospel, and it was a movie.

00:32:14
Speaker 3: Remember the good Victory?

00:32:20
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was you how about do.

00:32:22
Speaker 4: You know Snoop Dogg wanted that song victory If you go back when everybody hit pause for a second and played Victory on your Spotify music or whatever, that song you could also hear a hip hop version of that song, and Yolanda got it, but Snoop wanted it because it's a dope track. So I got the Victory Elana Adams. Anyway, we put that song in The Gospel, right, Kirk Franklin did the sound. Red Hammond was in it. Donnie McClerkin like yeah, and it just played a southern pastor and Boris Kojo it just elbaw like.

00:32:59
Speaker 3: You know, non again.

00:33:00
Speaker 4: It was a great cast, great cast, and it was because what happened was after I did Chocolate City, I then made a movie with Kenyamore called Tah and lot of thrillers.

00:33:15
Speaker 3: Listen, people know okay, right? The team was twining it up once. She she was.

00:33:24
Speaker 4: I made it in rockviller call twas y'all assume y'all remember that, and then Hollywood will only let me do other twas.

00:33:32
Speaker 3: I got pigeonholed for a second.

00:33:34
Speaker 1: We want this, So I did.

00:33:37
Speaker 4: Three Pandora's box and I and my mom said, baby, now you know that like you grew up in the church, stopped playing.

00:33:45
Speaker 3: You grew up in the A and B church. Best of laying me down here in Saint Pete.

00:33:48
Speaker 4: Florida, give me something that I could take my missionary sisters too, because you're.

00:33:52
Speaker 1: Embarrassing me right now. Well, here is.

00:33:54
Speaker 3: The other side of that story, Chris.

00:33:56
Speaker 4: She was taking her missionary sisters to see all my little tir and rodic thriller movie and they weren't complaining. Was older church ladies was going to support all my little erotic thriller.

00:34:09
Speaker 3: Movie first weekend.

00:34:12
Speaker 4: And so my mom was like, well, give us something else that we can go to, right because we don't have to sneak.

00:34:17
Speaker 3: In the back. I said, I got you.

00:34:18
Speaker 4: But I had wanted to do a faith based movie anyway, So I made this movie, The Gospel, and that was.

00:34:23
Speaker 3: It just's first movie after the Wire, and that's.

00:34:26
Speaker 4: The one that really kind of got because you know, everything is a stepping stone. You talked about you being on the set as an extra of Stompy. I'm sure you had done other extra things, and then now you and I working together, and you you know, one of my main actors in that movie praised this.

00:34:42
Speaker 3: But it was steps to get there. It's always steps. So it took steps.

00:34:46
Speaker 4: I didn't go straight from oh, I want to be a filmmaker to Stomp the Yard, which was my first number one movie. I went to the toase and then I went to the Gospel, and the Gospel was successful and that opened the door.

00:34:58
Speaker 3: To allow me to make stomp Yard. So a lot of times.

00:35:02
Speaker 4: Today it feels like people just want to get right to it. I want to skip the steps. I want to be just successful.

00:35:07
Speaker 3: Immediate, that's it.

00:35:09
Speaker 4: We live in a society of immediate gratification. We live in a society where you do have some people that you know come up with a tech idea and somebody you read and somebody bought it for a billion dollars.

00:35:18
Speaker 3: It's like, well, I want that I just want to go and get straight to be in a billionaire, be a thousand.

00:35:22
Speaker 6: Here, hello, hold on, learn how to first absolutely, because I look back, honestly, Chris, and I look at things that I got told no, like movies that I was trying to pitch and get made and I.

00:35:35
Speaker 3: Got told no. And it was the best thing ever. Because if I had gotten the budget for that movie early and I didn't know what.

00:35:40
Speaker 4: I was doing, like I know now, I'd have messed it up and now would have been the guy that wasted that five million dollars.

00:35:47
Speaker 3: Now, I would never.

00:35:48
Speaker 4: Get a ten million dollar movie, you know. So I worked and I had that first movie with twenty thousand. The next movie was two hundred thousand. Next movie, Like, I didn't get to a million dollar budget un till later in my career. By then, I knew everything about that what I was doing, knew how to work all the positions on a set, and so I had a different I was ready for it. So sometimes God is saving you for things you're not ready for and you don't even know.

00:36:09
Speaker 3: It feels like rejection, it feels like failure, but it's growth.

00:36:14
Speaker 1: Oh that's good.

00:36:16
Speaker 3: Yes, that was a bar that was a bar and will.

00:36:19
Speaker 4: Make Kevin Heart and put that quote the thing and then in parenthetical will also.

00:36:24
Speaker 3: Make Kevin Hart and it just ever wants to be him.

00:36:27
Speaker 4: So just I'm just trying to tell you how to market this episode.

00:36:32
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

00:36:34
Speaker 2: You talked about your parents basically making the decision for you to go to FAM You, and I heard that recently they named their performing artists Antheater after you.

00:36:46
Speaker 1: Crazy crazy.

00:36:47
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. If I was just nothing, that's in my life. I got a I got a building.

00:36:51
Speaker 3: With my name on a period. So y'all need to figure out what y'all doing, because I'm straight.

00:36:55
Speaker 4: I don't have another little hit movie, TV show, nothing now it's it's it's a It's crazy because that school means so much to me.

00:37:05
Speaker 2: We know you like, why say you yell fam You to the mountaintops like you love it?

00:37:10
Speaker 1: If I love it?

00:37:14
Speaker 7: Really we were gonna be friends if you people get on your nerves HBC people in general like and I can say it because one of them we would get flipped.

00:37:27
Speaker 3: Why are you not the cinematographer is back then, like, yeah, yours we will. I ain't even lie. We love our little schools represented and they'd be like, Okay, enough, we get it.

00:37:40
Speaker 1: It's the pride I love.

00:37:41
Speaker 4: It is the pride it gets ingrained in you doing those four five years the best years of your life. Family was meant so much to me as where I really kind of found myself, found my voice, hone, so many of my skills that I used to this day. So yeah, to have to have my name, uh you know on a bill, then my album is everything.

00:38:02
Speaker 1: I love that. That's amazing. Now do you get to go? I know you always are always there. Do you have some kids? Is any of your kids at Let.

00:38:09
Speaker 4: Me tell you something about my folk lit ungrateful children say, by these children, I fed them and gave them their little privileged Sorry, I don't want to do that because we got sponsors on this podcast and none of my kids I got.

00:38:24
Speaker 3: My kids are all amazing. They all are.

00:38:28
Speaker 4: Harvard, Whoa, Howard, North Carolina, Anti and now USC.

00:38:36
Speaker 1: I know, wow, but it ain't none of them going to Family Christ. That's the problem.

00:38:41
Speaker 3: One.

00:38:43
Speaker 8: All these talents supported them and everything, right, you know, I feel like.

00:38:48
Speaker 4: Obviously my kids didn't really want to be Will Packer's kids.

00:38:52
Speaker 1: That's a lot to Big Suser Field.

00:38:54
Speaker 4: You know, I guess in theory would have been a lot of eyes on them, But you know, I understand that it's still just a little stings a little bit.

00:39:02
Speaker 1: I can imagine.

00:39:03
Speaker 4: I've always given them the grace and the freedom to be like, you know, be whatever you want to be. You don't have to be in daddy's industry. You have to go to daddy's alma mater. You do whatever you want to find it on your own, and they're finding it.

00:39:14
Speaker 3: That's right. I got family to myself. I love it.

00:39:16
Speaker 1: There you go.

00:39:17
Speaker 3: I love my family.

00:39:18
Speaker 1: I love it. Yes, that's amazing. Congratulations on that.

00:39:21
Speaker 2: That is huge because a lot of people can't say they have their name on the building at their alma mater.

00:39:25
Speaker 3: That's true. No, most people can't, really, sincerely.

00:39:30
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

00:39:31
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:39:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to see my parents went to TSU. Oh, I know all about.

00:39:38
Speaker 3: The HVC parents.

00:39:40
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to. Yeah.

00:39:43
Speaker 2: I grew up going to homecoming every year and I just fell in love with the school, the energy. So in high school I was dating a guy who was like two years older than me. He ended up going to TSU. So it's time for me to graduate. My parents made the choice for me not to go.

00:39:59
Speaker 3: You ain't following him, whether it because of him or.

00:40:01
Speaker 1: Just they were like, yeah, you're not going there.

00:40:04
Speaker 3: Really.

00:40:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, they liked him.

00:40:05
Speaker 2: But they just did not want us, like out of town.

00:40:08
Speaker 3: They trust that they trusted. They was like, no, So where'd you go?

00:40:12
Speaker 1: I went to the University of Tennessee at Martin in my hometown.

00:40:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:40:15
Speaker 4: They wanted you close. Yeah, did you want to be closer? Were you like trying to get out?

00:40:18
Speaker 2: I was trying to go, but then they got me because they told me I couldn't take my car with me my freshman year. And as a kid, I'm eighteen years old, I'm like, what am I gonna do with my car?

00:40:26
Speaker 3: You didn't need that car.

00:40:27
Speaker 1: I didn't leave my car. I should have.

00:40:29
Speaker 3: Left your fans around.

00:40:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I stayed so I can keep my car.

00:40:33
Speaker 3: You can keep your car. So you put the car over And is he still alive?

00:40:37
Speaker 1: I hope he's alive. And I guess he's well.

00:40:40
Speaker 3: Oh okay, cool.

00:40:41
Speaker 4: So that was in them, say some interest in my wife. Your cousin, Heather also wanted to go to TSU. She wanted to go to HBCU too, and her parents.

00:40:49
Speaker 1: Was like, no, you're not see I think it's a Hazel thing.

00:40:51
Speaker 3: They was like, you ain't ready for that.

00:40:54
Speaker 4: You're gonna be up that party, And knowing my wife, they was probably right, Yes, I needed to go.

00:40:59
Speaker 3: So she went to like you t chat and it was Christian Brothers.

00:41:02
Speaker 1: So yeah, perfect, Yeah.

00:41:04
Speaker 3: That is y'all. Y'all ended up exactly what y'all we did because family.

00:41:11
Speaker 4: Life.

00:41:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have I know, I would have been wilding. I was wilding on Et Martin campus.

00:41:18
Speaker 3: I know if I have been over rap.

00:41:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, you might have to build the name after you for the wrong reasons. Just Letrys was turned down.

00:41:28
Speaker 1: Crystal Listen couldn't wait. Freshman year. I had a good time. I was very sheltered growing up.

00:41:37
Speaker 2: Okay, so when I went to college, I was like, finally freedom.

00:41:41
Speaker 1: Freedom.

00:41:42
Speaker 4: Yeah we all did that, all of us, quart of That is the growth.

00:41:47
Speaker 3: It really is. Yeah, except for my kids. I'm watching y'all. Okay, whatever I did.

00:41:53
Speaker 1: Got on you watching y'all. Harvard that's amazing.

00:41:58
Speaker 3: Yeah Harvard, Yeah, yeah, he did us. Yeah, they all ended up in great school. I'm very very fortunate, very blessed. Because you know, parenting is tricky these days.

00:42:10
Speaker 1: It is.

00:42:11
Speaker 4: It's very different raising kids with the pressures that they have today. Then we were under not that we were not under pressure, but we didn't have, you know, the the options, the words to verbalize what we were feeling.

00:42:27
Speaker 3: The eyes of the world via social media on us.

00:42:31
Speaker 4: Like, there were a lot of things that were just different in the way that we grew up and the way kids are growing up today.

00:42:36
Speaker 3: And some of it is is.

00:42:38
Speaker 4: Much easier, much more access much you know, they have they have they have power and agency that we didn't have.

00:42:45
Speaker 3: But some of it, the pressure is crazy.

00:42:47
Speaker 4: Like if there was literally a camera around everywhere that we went and we were going up like them freshman years of college and I had if everything.

00:42:55
Speaker 1: Was on the phone like brank you.

00:42:58
Speaker 4: Playing exactly exactly. So you know, yeah, it's I'm very fortunate.

00:43:04
Speaker 3: My kids are doing great.

00:43:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.

00:43:07
Speaker 2: Something a lot of people may or may not know. You were the first African American to lead production for the Oscars. What was that like coming out of COVID, because you guys, that was like the first time people could actually be back.

00:43:20
Speaker 1: Was that one of the first No, it was it was.

00:43:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, the year before us, it was a much more limited.

00:43:26
Speaker 4: So my OSCARS was twenty twenty two, right, and then you know, obviously COVID was twenty twenty and so the twenty twenty one year was a much smaller.

00:43:37
Speaker 3: So this is the first time that we had like everybody back.

00:43:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that the whole process? Like, were you nervous? Were you like, oh my gosh, this is done?

00:43:45
Speaker 3: I was. I wasn't nervous. It was the word I would use, But it was first of all, it was a very long process. Right.

00:43:49
Speaker 4: You know, people in the Oscars is one night, yeah, which it is, but literally there is six, seven, eight months of work that lead up to that one night. There's so much that goes into it because it's such a big show. Right, it's a you know, multi hour show. People from all over the world are watching. You know, you have all of Hollywood has an opinion about the show, what it should be, what it shouldn't because the show has become, you know, something of.

00:44:17
Speaker 3: A lightning rod.

00:44:19
Speaker 4: And so it was I definitely felt pressure, but I was excited. Honestly, I was excited. It was more work than I thought. So even though I knew I thought it would be like producing a movie. It was like producing ten movies at one time.

00:44:32
Speaker 3: It was that level.

00:44:33
Speaker 4: Now I had a team, a full team of people, but it was a lot producing.

00:44:37
Speaker 2: That crazy Yeah, ten movies, I can imagine, like, yeah, getting ready for one is a lie.

00:44:43
Speaker 4: It's so I mean, you got the musical performances, you got the presenters.

00:44:47
Speaker 3: Like people think, oh, it's just it's an award show, it's not.

00:44:51
Speaker 4: Because I'm literally flying people in from all over the world to do this show. The music, you know, pieces are like the their own things. Yeah, you always have like, you know, tributes. My year, I had tributes to, you know, big anniversaries that were happening within the industry. That's a whole nother thing in and of itself. Like we did a tribute to to James Bond, right, and so just even getting all the clearances necessary to do that, getting the right people to present.

00:45:22
Speaker 3: It, it was the the thing. It was the fiftieth.

00:45:24
Speaker 4: Anniversary of The Godfather, it was, you know, that was big, and getting the folks that were involved with The Godfather on board.

00:45:33
Speaker 3: It just it was just a lot.

00:45:35
Speaker 4: And of course my year because we were the first black all producing team. You know, I was gonna be diverse. Moscars was just gonna it was gonna have flavor. It was so whether it was the you know, the black conductor, you know, D Nice.

00:45:51
Speaker 3: D James, uh, you know the.

00:45:54
Speaker 4: Trophy presenters from HBCUs, Like, we really went above and beyond to make sure that it was a very diverse oscars.

00:46:01
Speaker 3: And it was.

00:46:02
Speaker 1: It was all of it.

00:46:03
Speaker 4: So you know, I had to ask you, I was gonna say, exact is that we're gonna stop on, gonna keep going.

00:46:18
Speaker 1: Were you backstage like the whole time?

00:46:20
Speaker 4: So I'm literally right by the like what is stage right? So I am as as presenters are going on and coming off there right next to me. Uh, we have a producer station, I got all the monitors for every camera. I'm on the headphones talking to the.

00:46:40
Speaker 3: The whole crew.

00:46:42
Speaker 4: About what's going on, talking to my director, you know, listening to what's happening.

00:46:46
Speaker 3: And I'm also.

00:46:47
Speaker 4: Greeting people as they go on and off the stage right. So you know, Chris Rock, what's going on to do?

00:46:56
Speaker 3: Let's go? You know, we had rehearsed the show a bunch of times. We knew everything was gonna happen.

00:47:01
Speaker 4: So you know, I adapted mop he went on stage, and so I remember about that night.

00:47:08
Speaker 3: Something happened.

00:47:09
Speaker 1: Something happened all right, seriously.

00:47:14
Speaker 4: Because you asked about it being the first time that everybody was kind of all back because we were in the it's called it the the Kodak Theater an Adobe Theater now, but it's where the Oscars are hell and it was the first time we were back in that venue since COVID, And we had an idea to make the stage feel like it wasn't up so high like it normally is because normally in the like most concert venues, the stage is kind of raised, and it was seat in the front or lower, and we wanted to feel like almost like a lounge club atmosphere, and so we had the traditional seat to the back of theater, but in the area right around the stage there were like, you know, lounge bank type seating and the stage was lower, and so everybody was kind of on the same level. And it was to make it feel that way, looked that way, and also so like when people would come up from the their seats to accept their awards, they would just they could just walk right to the stage, not have to walk around the wings and climb up high like you wanted that feeling that energy.

00:48:25
Speaker 3: Now, that did something very interesting.

00:48:27
Speaker 4: It created easy, this feeling of being right there, like you could just go out and reach out to touch somebody on that stage. So yeah, part of part of everything that happened that night was was because we had changed that stage.

00:48:46
Speaker 3: Is you know, you think about all the stuff.

00:48:48
Speaker 4: That went wrong if I hadn't had him in that moment, you know, and then me you know, because the ratings were the there was the first time of years that the increase, but it had nothing to do with yea with the slap, Yeah, because the slap happened too late in the show to affect the ratings.

00:49:10
Speaker 3: The slap was in like you know, fourth or fifth hour.

00:49:14
Speaker 4: And I remember thinking like, if I've known this, I have put chrisal front because the bull go down, We'll go down with rading.

00:49:20
Speaker 3: Hello if it's gonna happen, bumpet like, let's go.

00:49:25
Speaker 1: But what did you say, like when you saw it and they're like what were you? Like, Oh my god, what just happened?

00:49:31
Speaker 3: No, I thought it was a joke. I thought it was at first.

00:49:33
Speaker 1: I was like, oh that was I thought y'all scrim to that INNI ssoe.

00:49:36
Speaker 4: At first I thought it was because remember, because it's such a big show and it's live, you literally run through the rehearsals of the actual show and everything's gonna happen.

00:49:45
Speaker 1: Like four or five times.

00:49:46
Speaker 3: Wow, like you literally a full show.

00:49:49
Speaker 4: You gotta get your timing right because again it's a live show. So we had rehearsed everything, Chris had gone up and rehearsed his jokes, and.

00:49:58
Speaker 3: When he came up, he immediately was off book.

00:50:00
Speaker 4: But if there's anybody in the world that you're not worried about going on books, what's wrong?

00:50:04
Speaker 3: You know, He's gonna do his thing. It's gonna be funny.

00:50:07
Speaker 4: And so the first time that I, you know, knew something was was.

00:50:14
Speaker 3: That I got a little nervous, I got a little bubbly stomach. Was when he made the joke. And you know, we cut to Jada because that's what you do.

00:50:26
Speaker 4: That's just you know, like a sentence match, you're just getting you know, Crystal says somebody name to go that person in that person you go back like you just that's so we didn't know this joke was coming, but we knew where everybody was positioning in the audience. You don't attack where everybody's sitting, and you have to be ready to move on the fly.

00:50:43
Speaker 3: So he made a Jada joke, we go to jail. So Jada's reaction was the first time that I was like, ooh, that joke a lamb?

00:50:51
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, because and you notice, because you you you do comedy, you're a professional.

00:50:56
Speaker 3: Like comedy is reactions.

00:50:58
Speaker 4: If you're not here and we're filming us and I tell a joke, the laugh actually comes when you react or when other people react. Right when you're editing a comedy movie. For the young filmmakers out there, it's all about the reaction.

00:51:09
Speaker 1: Yes, So he told the.

00:51:11
Speaker 4: Joke, and then the reaction tells the audience how to feel about them. And the reaction clearly was that it was not funny to the person who was the subject of the joke. And so that's the first time I was like, get off her, go off of there, like, let go somewhere else.

00:51:26
Speaker 1: Did he have an earpiece? Even like Chris the board mission, no.

00:51:29
Speaker 3: Air piece, He's just out there.

00:51:31
Speaker 4: He was just out But no, no, I could not talk to this man nothing.

00:51:37
Speaker 3: He told it and then.

00:51:39
Speaker 4: We went to her she clearly did not find it funny, and so it was like, all right, let's keep going. That was that was awkward but crangey moment, but keep going. When we went on stage, we thought this was part of something they had done, because it's not unheard of that people go off script or that. You know, these are actors in Hollywood. They do all kind of little stuff that they think is cool and funny.

00:52:06
Speaker 3: And sure enough it happened.

00:52:09
Speaker 4: And the first question I said to the director of the microphone was did he did he did he hit him?

00:52:16
Speaker 1: Like?

00:52:17
Speaker 3: Did he actually like that?

00:52:19
Speaker 4: And then I was like, oh, y'all got to clean this up like quick like that that that ain't that funny.

00:52:24
Speaker 3: So not forget the other joke that was cringey. This is really crazy.

00:52:29
Speaker 4: Whenever y'all are planning, get to the punchline, like I'm literally thinking that Chris and Will have planned something and it was not.

00:52:39
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you.

00:52:40
Speaker 4: The whole thing happened. We we we have you know, Will say what he said, keep my wife's name out. You know, everybody's seeing it now. And I've had people say like why, like why did you show that, but again, you don't have I didn't have anywhere to cut to, right, like in the moment.

00:52:58
Speaker 3: First of all, everybody's faces in that audience was worse. You didn't want to want me to go to Gwyneth patro Or.

00:53:05
Speaker 8: She was like like I would, We don't want me to cut That was the whole hearted right.

00:53:11
Speaker 3: It was seven thousand people in there like that, So I didn't have nothing.

00:53:17
Speaker 4: I would have had to cut to, you know, Holly right outside the building.

00:53:23
Speaker 3: So you cut to Will because you you know that you're just following the action.

00:53:27
Speaker 4: It's just going according to normal procedures. Once he said what he said, it was like.

00:53:35
Speaker 3: Okay, oh it's real.

00:53:38
Speaker 4: And then when Chris got off stage, I was the first person to talk to him, you know, quest love shout out the quest. He he got off stage, and the first I said that said did he hit you?

00:53:53
Speaker 3: Did he did he really hit you? And Chris goes, yeah, I just took a point from Muhammad Ali.

00:53:59
Speaker 4: Like he was he's a lot of that. He immediately told the joke. So then Chris and I go off and backstage, and and and I went I took him into my office. He went into my office backstage, right off the stage. Everybody's still a gas. By the way, if you the reason it truly truly went viral so immediately is because there was a feed and I think Australia that they did not bleep out what Will said. So because what happens is in LA we're sending a feed out to all the domestic the US ABC affiliates, but you sent it out to the world and all the affiliates that are picking it up, and they have different sensors in different Each country is responsible for their own sensors, and so I think it was Australia in that feed they didn't edit out what he says, so you can hear it all clearly. And so that's the clip that went out on the internet. So it really went super viral. In the moment Facts and my fault exploded, Oh I did, I'm back.

00:54:59
Speaker 3: I'm literally the way as it's happened.

00:55:00
Speaker 4: Before Chris got off the stage, my phone just starts smoking like it was like everybody, like my mama was like that ain't funny.

00:55:09
Speaker 3: I appreciate you. I'm in a disaster right now. That ain't funny. By the way, when are you coming home again? Like my mama. That's the what she do.

00:55:18
Speaker 4: She definitely is detect something irrelevant in the wrong moment.

00:55:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta love it.

00:55:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wow.

00:55:27
Speaker 1: I always wondered what that was like in the moment.

00:55:30
Speaker 3: Behind the scenes, we thought it was a joke.

00:55:31
Speaker 4: We all thought it was a bad joke, and then it wasn't, and then it was like, oh my gosh. And then I just I just had this sinking feeling like not tonight.

00:55:42
Speaker 3: That's what I felt all the nights.

00:55:44
Speaker 4: And it had been going so well, and I still am very, very proud of that show.

00:55:49
Speaker 3: Show.

00:55:50
Speaker 4: I'm very proud of, you know, my amazing ladies with their hosting job.

00:55:54
Speaker 3: They were doing great. I'm still proud of it.

00:55:56
Speaker 4: Everything had been going pretty much according to plan, and I just remember having a sinking feeling of why tonight, Why why not not like this? That's why I was saying, like, not like this, That's something else happened. That's somebody let the wrong envelope get read or somebody trip walking up the STI like anything, let this be the legacy of my little show.

00:56:20
Speaker 1: But it wasn't. That was another Yeah, what kind of.

00:56:24
Speaker 3: I now have?

00:56:25
Speaker 4: You know, I'm at peace, good you know, I've connected with it all involved and I'm at peace and.

00:56:33
Speaker 1: I love that dressed Chris Rock. He was in who My movie was that for Now?

00:56:39
Speaker 2: He did a move for Tyler And when I say he was one of the most kind, gentle spirits I've ever met.

00:56:45
Speaker 1: My wife.

00:56:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had his constant, his wardrobe pulled out and I said, hey, mister Rock.

00:56:50
Speaker 1: He's like, hi, are you And I was like, well, these are the options.

00:56:52
Speaker 2: He goes, okay, whatever you need, and I was like, I'll step out so you can change, okay, and then I will say thank you, like my pleasure.

00:56:57
Speaker 1: Like so nice.

00:56:58
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my good is like and then to see that happen and I love Will too, and like have such a high regard for him, still love you saying both of them people are human. I just feel like that was one of them days where I had that moment where I got town. Today.

00:57:12
Speaker 4: You know what I will say and we can leave it alone, is that the pressures of as you know, the pressures of folks on folks in our industry is unbelievable. It is if you're not in the industry and you know, you don't know what it's like. To constantly have eyeballs on you, constantly have somebody analyzing every word that you say, and you don't you know, we don't give grace for mistakes.

00:57:36
Speaker 3: Now, you got to be perfect all the time.

00:57:40
Speaker 4: There's a It takes an unbelievable toll and strain on people. So that's what I will say. And I just from somebody that believes we have to evaluate people for who they've been, you know, for a lifetime, for decades, not on a really really bad moment moment. And that's that's that goes for anybody.

00:58:02
Speaker 1: I love.

00:58:02
Speaker 4: Everybody makes mistakes, and so it is unbelievably difficult to be in the public eye these days, and there's going to be people who say, do and act the wrong way constantly.

00:58:12
Speaker 3: It will continue.

00:58:14
Speaker 4: Let's judge people on who we who they've shown us to be for the vast majority of their lives or careers or what have you, and not just on their absolute worst moments.

00:58:25
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's the perfect notes and done.

00:58:27
Speaker 3: There we go that.

00:58:28
Speaker 1: I literally love that that's give people grace, Give.

00:58:32
Speaker 4: People grace we all deserve, and give yourself grace, yeah, a little bit too ourselves.

00:58:38
Speaker 3: Now we are right, give yourself a little grace. Yeah, they're okay, so true, keep positive.

00:58:43
Speaker 1: Keep it positive. Yeah, I love it. Okay, So we're back to end the show.

00:58:52
Speaker 2: What we do is positive outcomes, where our listeners writing.

00:58:55
Speaker 1: The letter and we give them advice.

00:58:56
Speaker 3: Okay.

00:58:57
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna read it off and we're don't see what can tell her?

00:59:00
Speaker 3: Okay, she goes high.

00:59:01
Speaker 1: Crystal.

00:59:02
Speaker 2: Let me start by saying, I absolutely love your podcast. I've been with my husband for twenty one years. I know him as a go getter and a provider. For the past eight and a half years, we've been going through it financially. I can see that he is frustrated and very down about his business not flourishing the way he wanted it to. I try my best to help him and be positive in a safe space, but when I try to suggest jobs that are hiring, he brushes me off and gets very defensive. I've always been by his I've always been by his side through thick and thin, without judgment or pressure. We have a family to provide and care for, which require steady paychecks, which is why I try to help him find other jobs so that we can take care of the family.

00:59:39
Speaker 1: That we made together.

00:59:40
Speaker 2: How can I get my point across to him without making him feel less of a man? And I think being that you are a man, I feel like you may be able to speak from that man a strong opinion.

00:59:51
Speaker 3: I feel like you should go first. One.

00:59:53
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, because.

00:59:54
Speaker 3: She doesn't say what he does, it feels like it was entrepreneurial. Yeah, yeah, mm hmm. It's not.

01:00:01
Speaker 2: His business is in flourishing the way he wanted it to, so it has to be entrepreneurs.

01:00:04
Speaker 4: And we think she works based on this letter. Alright, what's your what's your what's your two cents?

01:00:09
Speaker 1: I would tell her one.

01:00:12
Speaker 2: I mean, you have a family, So he has to figure it out, you know. But there is a way to be that safe space for your man, to not put him down when he's not doing well. But also, if he's a go getter and a provider, he should already have that mentality like I gotta do what I gotta do.

01:00:28
Speaker 1: You know, you shouldn't have.

01:00:29
Speaker 2: To like, all right, maybe you need to go find something else we can eat this week. I feel like, as a man, he should be trying to figure it out, and if it means going to do something that he doesn't want to do, because I can attest to me doing jobs that I didn't want to do to get where I wanted to be.

01:00:43
Speaker 1: Yep, So I feel like that would be a thing that.

01:00:45
Speaker 2: He needs to swallow his pride and but there is a way to do it without making your man feel less.

01:00:50
Speaker 4: Than Yeah, I agree with everything you said.

01:00:55
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a different perspective.

01:00:56
Speaker 1: Yes, that's only okay.

01:00:58
Speaker 3: I think that.

01:00:59
Speaker 4: You are absolut right in that we're talking about a family and his job is to provide, and so ultimately it is on him, right. I believe in that. I believe that, and it doesn't have to just be the man, but I believe that there is a head of a household whose job it is to provide. And it definitely sounds like in this situation he is assuming that role at least he wants to.

01:01:20
Speaker 3: So.

01:01:21
Speaker 4: Yes, And I am somebody that believes that, you know, brother, you gotta do what you gotta do for your family, period point black. Now here's what I want you to hear. My sister in you two, Crystal and my other sisters, you cannot believe how unbelievably painful it is for that black man to be failing in his family's eyes and in his own eyes. So whatever you're saying to him, she's been with him twenty one years, she's referencing the last eight. So I have to assume that he's a good brother. He ain't just a you know, somebody that ain't issue right. He's somebody that has provided before, and now the business is not working out. He is being harder on himself than you could ever be on him. And so when you say, hey, here's this job, it compounds his feeling of failure and insecurity, and he feels like, not only am I finding it hard to believe in myself, but you don't believe in me.

01:02:26
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not saying that you're wrong in doing that, sister.

01:02:28
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is for him, all he hears is you don't believe in me. You telling me to give up on my dream and do this other thing that underlines that I'm failing, that I'm not doing what I'm doing. I'm beating myself up about all the time. I am waiting if you go to sleep. Every night, I'm looking at the ceiling and I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do right So what I would say is that number one, you gotta understand that he's in pain and he's hurting, because there's nothing more difficult for a man who could citizenslf the head of a household.

01:03:01
Speaker 3: To not be providing in the way that he wants to. Doesn't mean it's not his responsibility. But your role is not. This is what I differ. Your role is not to say here's a great job. He can find that job.

01:03:14
Speaker 4: He got the same newspaper and praiglist and Google job, and that ain't I appreciate that effort.

01:03:20
Speaker 3: But that's not it in this y'all been together twenty one years. I just want you to be right there with him and ride with him. That's what I want.

01:03:27
Speaker 4: I want you to say, Okay, this is the budget for the month, and we are, you know, five thousand dollars short. I got my two thousand dollars on it. I believe in you. You are my man, You're head of a household. I love you. You tell me what we're doing with the other three. You just tell me, and I'm like, don't. You're trying to be helpful, but you're exacerbating and compounding his already awful feeling of insecurity and not providing by saying here you go.

01:03:53
Speaker 3: Here go these jobs.

01:03:54
Speaker 4: And I know your intention was good. So I'm not attacking the system at all, but just from a man. If he's the type of that a lot of men are, he is already at his lowest point. And so what you say is this is this is where short this is what I'm like you tell me, But I believe in you.

01:04:11
Speaker 3: I believe in you. We're gonna get past this. The business is gonna turn around all of that. I believe in you.

01:04:15
Speaker 4: If you decide to get another job, I'm back you another job. If you can figure it out here, I'm backing you with that. I'm backing you period point. But I'm back and tell me what you need. Do you want me to go help? Do you want me to help look for job? And you don't like whatever? Like say that because when you say, when you lead a little job, listens around you email them because it's like this, a negro need to get to work. He and I don't even know that. Could be a nice white lady. I don't know, but whatever it is, you are unintentionally reminding him of his shortcomings and failure and making him feel like you don't believe in him. So that's that's my opinion, maybe unpopular, but I would say just be there form that.

01:04:57
Speaker 3: It ain't your job to get him the new job.

01:04:59
Speaker 4: Your job is just be there, support your man and say listen, this is what we need.

01:05:04
Speaker 1: Now.

01:05:04
Speaker 4: I'm not saying sit there and starve with your kids, but just say, hey, this is what we need. You tell me how you're gonna do it. You tell me how we're gonna get it. And I'm and I'm believing you. And I don't mean like, can what you're gonna do that that's what we sure. I don't mean that mean like, hey, I'm here with you, so this is the budget and this is what I got on it, and you just tell me how I can help.

01:05:23
Speaker 3: Can I help in any way with what you're trying to do. That's what I would say.

01:05:26
Speaker 1: I love, That's good. You just okay. I like that perspective.

01:05:30
Speaker 3: Black man. My whole life, Yes, yes, good at it.

01:05:34
Speaker 1: One day teach us and.

01:05:37
Speaker 3: Brothers need to be having these comings. We do to talk.

01:05:40
Speaker 1: Through these things and we can help each other.

01:05:43
Speaker 4: I see too much like vitriall amongst you know folks online you know what I'm saying, within the same community, within the same gender, within the same orientation, Like I just it's just too it's a lot of negativity, you know what I'm saying.

01:05:56
Speaker 3: We in it together? Are we in it together? Like, let's talk here, you know, talk about it. Like I said, I'm not attacking that sister. She did it, you know, the way she wanted to.

01:06:04
Speaker 4: I'll just give you another pinion from a mass and an entrepreneur, you know, whose life hasn't always gone away I wanted it to go. Yeah, So I'm not attacking his sister at all.

01:06:13
Speaker 3: Like he needs you.

01:06:14
Speaker 4: He's only at where he's at cussing you. But now he needs something different. He doesn't need like this is a job that's hiring anyway you need right now.

01:06:23
Speaker 3: He didn't need you to support him and believe.

01:06:25
Speaker 4: In him, and then you allow him to tell you how he's gonna turn around that.

01:06:31
Speaker 1: I'm taking notes myself. So the next thing we do is what I'm going through and what I'm growing through. And I'll start off right now, who am I going through?

01:06:44
Speaker 2: I am going through a I feel like this is a stretching phase for me in my life.

01:06:51
Speaker 1: This season I'm in.

01:06:52
Speaker 2: I feel like God is stretching my faith trying different things as far as business ventures that I don't know are going to succeed. So I'm really like stepping out on faith in different areas and growing through having control of everything because I'm such a control for I like to know what's gonna happen. Okay, this is the variable that I know for sure, and just being open to the possibilities of things that are.

01:07:16
Speaker 1: Unknown to me. So that's what I'm going.

01:07:18
Speaker 3: Wow, years, it's good. Yeah, the practice asked. Okay, all right.

01:07:26
Speaker 4: So I would say I'm going through a new phase in my life where now my kids are out of the house, and so it's a different dynamic for my wife and I and also a different relationship for myself with my kids because babies, yeah, but they're now all young adults, and so it means that we're redefining our relationships. We're recalibrating our relationships in a different way than we have before. So it is it's an amazing amount of freedom that my wife and I have, but we also get to know each other in different ways because as a parent, you are always constantly sacrificing for your kids.

01:08:05
Speaker 3: Now I don't have that excuse anymore. Now it's her and I. So we're getting to know each other in a different way.

01:08:11
Speaker 4: And I'm getting to know my kids and I have to accept them as young adults, and they also have to accept me as a father. That's not just like, you know, their primary caregiver. I am somebody that is you know.

01:08:23
Speaker 3: More of a of a of a friend, honestly, So that's that's different. So that's what I'm going through.

01:08:28
Speaker 4: What I'm growing through is my own career and the next phase of my career.

01:08:36
Speaker 3: As of the recording of this podcast.

01:08:38
Speaker 4: We are still in the middle of a striking and hopefully that would be you know, over by the time it comes out. But regardless, it's a different phase in my personal career, and I'm also looking to diversify myself, my focus, my ambitions, and my aims, and so I'm growing through that, right I have to.

01:09:00
Speaker 3: You know, I've been I've been very very fortunate.

01:09:02
Speaker 4: I'm very blessed, you know, to strike hit everybody differently, so I'm very fortunate in how I've been able to weather to strike.

01:09:09
Speaker 3: But it also shows me, though.

01:09:10
Speaker 4: That I need to be in a position where I have a diverse array of things that I'm doing same yeah.

01:09:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what the business ventures are because I realize I can't put all my eggs in this acting basket. Yeah, you know, you never know. I want things like this to happen. I'm like, I'm good, Yeah, I have other things going on. This is not the end all be all.

01:09:30
Speaker 3: What you're gonna sell on Instagram? Wat trainers, No.

01:09:33
Speaker 1: I need to word. I can't tell you.

01:09:37
Speaker 4: I'll tell you it's basing suits, weaving wate trains.

01:09:41
Speaker 3: I don't know that.

01:09:41
Speaker 4: I don't know the Instagram market as well as some people, but in my exploit, that's what I say.

01:09:46
Speaker 3: What you selling is hair. They still doing waist training still. I feel like everybody got.

01:09:55
Speaker 1: A swim line, everybody, but you know those.

01:09:58
Speaker 3: We're gonna do something different, Yes, something different. Yeah, I feel like.

01:10:01
Speaker 4: We should pitch Chrystopher businesses. Y'all call it and write and say what should she be selling?

01:10:06
Speaker 3: Yeah? Versified, you got something though, I feel.

01:10:09
Speaker 1: Like whatever it is, I'm excited.

01:10:11
Speaker 4: Candles prayer candles, but they smell like feet, so then so that'll make you want to pray if you gotta get your prayer.

01:10:20
Speaker 1: Jesus feet gonna keep burning.

01:10:23
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna talk about Jesus feet.

01:10:24
Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, you gotta want to get them prayers about that with.

01:10:28
Speaker 1: Her hair, dry her hair. You know, they send the bubble.

01:10:31
Speaker 3: Uber for Dogs take people animals. See y'all laugh.

01:10:36
Speaker 1: I don't even like I'm.

01:10:38
Speaker 3: Going to shock. You don't get no percentage because Uber for Dogs, you gotta get your dogs.

01:10:44
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

01:10:44
Speaker 3: We take it to the park and somebody picks them up.

01:10:47
Speaker 1: Oh that's actually genius.

01:10:49
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I haven't thought it through because.

01:10:51
Speaker 2: We already got this let the dog out.

01:10:56
Speaker 1: We need to figure somebody to be there to get the Yeah, I guess the driver.

01:11:00
Speaker 4: It could be like, now, there is a thing I have a friend has somebody who works for my company, and their dog gets picked up for grooming.

01:11:09
Speaker 3: There is a doggy bus and they come and pick up your dog.

01:11:13
Speaker 1: You are kidding me, I promise you.

01:11:14
Speaker 4: And it's a bus with all these dogs in it the way it's been described to me, and takes them to the groom and then drops them back off.

01:11:20
Speaker 2: That's pretty not a dog that's smart though, Because we don't have time, you know, anything that helps people with their time.

01:11:27
Speaker 3: That's the idea, Chris, That's all I got. I've given them to you.

01:11:32
Speaker 4: You are think about the feet camera see a lot of people you know like everything.

01:11:40
Speaker 3: You know what those are my feet?

01:11:43
Speaker 1: I got?

01:11:48
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so awesome anytime.

01:11:52
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me absolutely.

01:11:56
Speaker 3: All right.

01:11:57
Speaker 2: So another thing we do is keep it blank, sweetie. And for this episode, I'm gonna say, Okay, we talk about so.

01:12:05
Speaker 1: Much, keep it faithful, sweetie. No, No, Like what I'm going through now is definitely stretching our face. So keep it faithful, sweet is what I would saying.

01:12:18
Speaker 3: I like that.

01:12:20
Speaker 4: So my first answer to keep it crushing probably is not the same energy that you did so like to see.

01:12:26
Speaker 3: I feel like yours is more inspirational. So I'm gonna go you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna say, keep it consistent, sweetie. That's what I'm gonna say. A lot of us have challenge with consistency. Right.

01:12:40
Speaker 4: It's not about just being good in some areas and not in others. It's not about us being following through one time. We gotta follow through every time. Keep it consistent, That's what I was saying. So as you're keeping it positive as you're keeping it prayerful, faithful, faithful.

01:12:57
Speaker 3: Also keep it consistent. Try to stay consistent. That is well for you.

01:13:02
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that's good. Guys. Thank you so much for tuning into this episode of Keep It Positive. Sweetie.

01:13:07
Speaker 2: If you want to write into our Positive Outcomes listener letter, write into keep It Positive Sweete at gmail dot com and that's Sweetie with an Ie. You can follow me on Instagram and all the platforms at l u V Chris Orne.

01:13:19
Speaker 1: We'll tell them where the people can find.

01:13:21
Speaker 4: You, usually on the corner of no we'll powerpacker at Will Powerpacker on all the platforms.

01:13:29
Speaker 1: There we go.

01:13:30
Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you anytime on this fun