Best of the Bus: Is Dana White The GOAT At Blackjack? + The Rise Of Power Slap

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Speaker 1: Fellows, Welcome to another Best of the Bus episode. This series is where we drop a best of episode every Saturday where we throw it back to some of our favorite episodes. And as you guys have seen if you follow us and your subscribe to us on YouTube, there's a lot of vlogs that we do where Taylor goes out to the UFC, he gambles with Dana White. We've been out to several UFC UFC events and we are massive fans of what goes on out there, and this is throwing it back to the first time that Dana White, the UFC President and friend of the show, came on the bus while the boys were in Vegas back in twenty twenty three. We talked Dana's blackjack skills. The rise of Power Slap. Power Slap was just about to start. We were at the first one with him. He also talks about his health journey with Gary Brecca and his thoughts on building the UFC into what it is today. And of course we wrap it up talking McGregor first Chandler, which we are hopeful, hopeful that it happens next fourth of July, celebrating two hundred and fifty years of Indos. This one's awesome. Tap in love you, big hugs, tiny kisses.

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Speaker 2: I gotta be in a meeting at Red Rock. Not our kind of meeting, a meeting of rock.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yes, speaking of you, guys have been on a terror with the gambling.

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Speaker 2: Hear absolutely, we're gonna roll, We're gonna go. Yeah, he's on a terror.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man.

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Speaker 3: After last night, that was the biggest comeback I've seen in gambling history.

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Speaker 1: That was unbelievable. It was You're You're the sinse of black jack. You're the Sinsey.

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Speaker 2: I've been doing it for a long time and I've had many nights like last night and even deeper. I've had some fucking wars man, and uh yeah last night was fun and thanks for thanks for riding it out with me.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, because I knew essentially, You're like, you're coming just to gamble with me. And then like eight o'clock hits and you call me, hey, my tooth is broken. I'm thinking, Hey, you don't have the tone. It's all good.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fucking Friday yesterday and I fucking break my tooth in the back. And uh, I had this great dentist in town here Steve Wilson, if you ever need a dentist there in town. So I fly to his place. He fucking opens his place for me. He gets in there and whips my tooth back together, and then uh, I come and meet you and we start going at it.

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Speaker 1: That was wild. Do you want to do? You want to talk about numbers and where your.

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Speaker 2: Situation was, Tell me whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: So this is this is what I saw, and I know we talked about it a little bit. But Dana's rule and you can you can correct me at any point is you play, you max out the hands, you win two hands, and you get the fuck out of there. Yep, no fans or butts about it. That is the rule.

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Speaker 1: That's what you do. So we come in knowing your number, your number, fighting.

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Speaker 3: Till you get to that number, and then leaving we get my number. You go quickly, you get your number, and then we're sitting there kind of just chatting, hanging out.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really have a number last night, so I've been gone, I went out of town for a little while, and I haven't played in a minute, so I was excited to get together with him and play fucking round. We get into a battle with his He didn't know that I was playing for him when I was playing. So I'm in this big battle too. Eighty down to eighty, come all the way back and I went his thirty and I hand it to him. He's like, oh what, No, I said, No, I was playing for you. That's you, buddy. You got it so pump so I had uh. I started goof around a little bit. I win, I'm up like eighty ninety one hundred in that ballpark, and uh, I said, I'm going in again. He's like, he looks at me. He goes, you're breaking your rule. I go, I'm breaking all the rules tonight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Did it happen faster than ninety hundred. Happened like fast, and you're just kind of like, all right, I need.

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Speaker 2: To nothing really fast. Last night was kind of it was. It was. It was battleish. I should have read all the fucking signs that said the gambling gods are telling you to get the fuck out of here right now. I didn't listen. I had my conscience over here on my left side saying, hey, you're breaking the rules. Go in, and it just fucking you know, we would go, we'd get a little deep and I get right there and almost be out. I mean at one point we're like one hand away and we were out, and and it was like I couldn't a double down last night to save my fucking life. And if I got a twenty, it meant I was gonna lose. I lost every fucking twenty I got last night. Think about that, losing twenty. When you get a twenty, you're supposed to be excited. When I got twenty, I got to a point home where I said I'm gonna lose his hand.

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Speaker 3: Right, and then the Mayde showing like a four, and then like six cards later twenty one the first.

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Speaker 1: Time doing it around Dana two, like watching it happen. That was kind of the theme of the night as well. He's bout, oh, you're gonna fucking beat me anyway, even though I got nineteen or twenty. That's just how it works watch Boys. And then he ends up losing. He gets up pissed off.

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Speaker 3: Because the funny thing is too mister positive when he walks in, keep the high energy, keep good, and then get Denical Herd.

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Speaker 1: That was like this motherfucker right here.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, flip it over here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there was one guy last night, Tom.

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Speaker 2: You can you can literally say exactly what they're gonna do when the cards turned this way. You know what's gonna happen. Literally everything that I would say would happen. If I had a fourteen, I'd get to ten. If I had an eleven, I'd get the four for a double down, you know what I mean. Just yeah, clockwork.

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Speaker 3: It was a It was a wild deal to the point too, where we're pushing seven figures at one point and down, up, down, and a buffet comes in, like they literally like rolled in all all the little butler's roll in with all the food and he takes a nice little he takes a break, eats his food, and he's like, I got to get out of here pretty soon. I can't do the late night because there's a refel refeel day. Because when I was back here in August for Power Slap, I was on. I mean, I think I won seven eight times in a row, and to the point where it's getting numb that I was like, I don't think if you're with me, I don't think I can lose.

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Speaker 1: And then then there's.

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Speaker 3: Guys there are the night, different circumstances and I end up losing a whole bunch of money, and the fact that you've taken it personal where you're like, we're sitting there, he's down. You know, we'll say five hundred. I have no idea what the what the number is. He looks at me, he goes, how about you down? We kind of talk about it a little bit, and he goes, We're going to make back all that money, no problem. You're in the middle of a war right now. You're talking about the next war that we got to go go through.

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Speaker 1: It's wild.

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Speaker 3: But the way this all started was us meeting at the super Bowl and then you're like, hey, you guys should come out to Power Slap and the explosion that has happened with Power Slap, Like, how does did you expect that to go the way it has? You knew it is obviously going to be successful, but it's gone to a crazy degree.

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Speaker 2: At this Scot looked at it, you know, and I was like, holy fuck, this whole thing doesn't make sense. How is this pulling these kind of numbers? And then you start to think, well, what if I did it? Because I know I'm going to do it better than anybody else can do it. What would that mean? And then and then here we are ten months later, and this thing is a fucking monster. Man, It's just an absolute monster. And we sit here every day and we look at the numbers when we when we when we do an event, whether it was one, two, three, four or five, and the and the stuff that goes gets posted socially, it's just we watch it every day. So it was two days ago, Aj, you know, our little social media queen that runs all the social media for us, She's hit me up and she says, uh, yeah, the Sena post is at one hundred and five million right now and this was how many weeks ago? Huh three weeks ago, it's at one hundred and five million. In three weeks the Sena slap right and we're talking, she goes, it just went to one hundred and six while we're on the phone. So then that night we had a power Slap meeting. It was at one hundred and ten when we had the meeting that night about Powerslap. So every fucking day the thing goes up millions millions of us.

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Speaker 1: Is that where a lot of the money and stuff is made is through more social so than the viewing live on rumbo and stuff like that, because I think a lot of people have like a idea that it's like, oh, how can it be successful? It's like this isn't that great of this and that? But obviously through social media, because.

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Speaker 2: You have no idea what you're doing, and you have no idea what you're fucking talking about. All these fucking all you people that are fucking talking shitn't especially the media. I love the meeting. If the media tells you you've got something that that's gonna fail, it's definitely gonna fucking win. The media the dumbest no n nothing, do nothing, never fucking build nothing motherfuckers on planet Earth. So when they say it isn't gonna work, you got a fucking home run, man, You know what I mean, Jump in and grind the media these guys. Think about who these people are. When you really think about the media, who are they, Where did they come from? Why does their opinion matter? What have they ever done, what have they ever created, what have they ever built? Who's ever depended on a paycheck from the media? Nobody. They are a bunch of fucking zeros that sit around and write stories about people who are actually doing shit. It's fucking fascinating think about it. It's not a fascinating concept people who have never done a fucking thing in their life ever sit around and write about people who are.

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Speaker 1: What got you to that?

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Speaker 2: Who gives a flying fuck what any of those zero have to say about anything?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely fascinating. So anyway, so no, we we make money off just like any other sports property. We make money off our television rights, we make money off sponsorship, we make money off video games, licensing, all that stuff. I am leaving here when we're done, and I'm striving straight to for Tita Enterprises, and we're doing a huge fucking story about power Slap. But that's bj it is the biggest, baddest sports fucking story of the year that nobody fucking knows.

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Speaker 1: I know that that'll be awesome to read about too. It's like, from the business standpoint, what's been like, I guess the most exciting thing on making on making that business work with power Slape because you FC and you know all these other entertainment businesses, you can kind of just see the success based on what the public opinion is on it, right, Like you've got great like pay per view fights, and everything else, Like, what's been challenging or what's been fun about building the business of power Slap since you've ACQUI.

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Speaker 2: All the things that I love. The negativity, you know, when people come out and say this thing sucks, this can't be done, you can't do it. That is the shit that gets me out of bed every day. And I love every fucking minute of it. And then the end result in shoving it right up everybody's ass. I fucking love every minute of it. Man. It's the fucking best and the only people I'm really talking to about this thing. There's some guys out there that are that we consider friendlies and we do whatever. But the Sports Business Journal, it's like in the sports world, they are the you know, it's it's what everybody in the industry reads. It's what all the sponsors read and everybody else. Monster. The other thing that's incredible about this product is when we like even the ads, you know, our sponsors, when we post something that sponsor driven something, you know, UFC stuff does like one point seven million views, power slap does fifteen or sixteen million views. It's like, so right now this year, year to date on TikTok, we're number one through seven. Yeah, one through seven, power Flap on Instagram we're number one. NBA's two and three. Power Slap is number four, five and six. NBA is like seven and eight. And put to put it into perspective, the NBA is eighty million followers. H NFL is thirty million followers. We just hit two million. We just hit two million followers. So we've done all this under two million followers.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't think people understand like how big of a player. Just the social media platforms are right because you're talking about all the views and everything else, and you get you know, the money that's being paid and the platform that you're given on like TikTok and everything else. It's like that is where money is, is where everybody's attention is, and that's where you've done a great job like capitalizing with the business.

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Speaker 2: That's not even getting into the fact that we're doing four hundred and fifty million views in India, ninety million in Russia. Fuck, And the list just goes on and on as I pray get into all the different countries. So it's like when you talk about, you know, people like, well, how do you monetize how that's what we do. That's what we do. That's that's that's my specialties. You take these. You know how many times I've been offered. People will call me up and say, hey, would you like to invest in this baseball team? Hey, would you like to invest in?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: You know, uh this we were kicked. We're looking at an NBA team one time, me and the Fetida brothers, and uh, the answer is no, I don't want anything to do with that shit. You know what I like. I like taking fringe sports that people think can't be built and think can't be and monetizing those and building them up into you know, the UFC. It's easy for everybody to look back now and go the UFC. Yeah, fucking yeah, if you got into the UFC. When we got into the UFC, it was power slab. It was looked at, right, like fucking power slab. It was actually worse because it was actually illegal in some fucking states, right, It was actually illegal to do. This is how bad it was with the UFC. At that time. You as a grown adult, didn't have the option to buy it on pay per view. Porn was on pay per view. The UFC was not allowed on pay per view. That's how fucking bad it was. So to look at the UFC now and go, oh, you have, of course two million dollars for the UFC. Shut the fuck up. You guys have no idea what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: This thingle just hoping, you know, at some point you fail. And then when they got a little moment to try and grab it and capitalize on it, right about it and everything else, it's like, that's the shot everybody tries to take.

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Speaker 2: Well, it gets to a point with me where it's just like, how many more fucking times are you gonna doubt me? And what what I'm capable of doing? You know, we're doing the same thing right now with throw one. We don't throw one. I've told you guys a million times, you're this. We own ridiculousness. Nitro Circus SLS Skate League, Travis Pastrano's nitral Cross and we bought that company like a little over a year ago, and they're based in California. I'm building offices over here right now. We're building them out. These guys will be here in the next couple of months and I'll be involved in that. I'm already involved in the daily but we'll be really all than that in the daily when we when we get it over here, get it out of California and get it here in Vegas, and our literally my office connects to their offices. So we're gonna that's gonna be a really fun project over the next couple of years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've shown them a bunch of interest. I grew up on Nitro, Circus, Supercross, all that stuff. That was like the first love of mine before I got into organized sports.

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Speaker 1: And all that.

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Speaker 3: But you talk about the mindset and how your essential hate for mainstream media, When did you learn about the ins and outs because obviously, like this has been you've been in the business forever of these these fringe sports and making them what they are today. How did you kind of adapt to the world with Internet and all that, Like, how did how did your mindset change as you kept going.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love the Internet, I'm all about I love that we can talk directly to our fans with no middlemen. Nothing worse than than trying to, you know, do what you do and going through a middleman. And uh, you know, everything that I really do right now is direct to consume or I go directly to our consumers and talk to the people that that that want to listen. And realistically, when you look at it right now, the two most hated people on the planet right now are the media and politicians.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody trusts them, nobody likes them. Uh, they know that most of them are lying. And there's never been a better time for social media than now. And like I said, in every way, shape and form and every business that we own, I talk directly to our consumers. That's it.

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Speaker 3: When you you brought up politicians and you're on the you're on uh this past weekend recently with theovon and he brought up like an RFK interview I believe it was, and then a Peloton reached out and said, hey, you can't have him on there, and you you essentially went on a rant like you did with us about hating the mainstream media, how you can't tell people what to do.

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Speaker 1: Here, tell me.

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Speaker 3: About that process last night with the Pelotons and all these other bike companies, Like when did you learn that you had the hour to essentially take away from people saying what you can and can't do in your business?

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Speaker 2: COVID Yeah, I mean I knew it before then but where really, you know, never, Well, you know, we went through the whole UFC thing first, Yeah, I mean people, you know, the mainstream media is shitting all over the UFC and how it should be banned and this shouldn't exist and blah blah blah blah blah. Then then here comes COVID. You got the you know, fucking goofy New York Times and all these other fucking clowns, uh, you know, coming out talking shit blasting me every day. They don't matter. They don't matter, and they don't have the influence or the power that they think they do. You know, and you can come out and say whatever you want about me, and go do whatever you want about me. You you determine your future, not people like this. It's like that whole fucking cancel culture bullshit and all this stuff that goes on. You just just got to say fuck you.

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Speaker 3: And that seems like you get a thrill out of it. Honestly, like people trying to come at you is your face.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I get a thrill out of it, but it's it's what if you want to pick a fight with me, let's fucking go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go. Yeah, taking everything head on. Seems like you're a way about doing everything that does.

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Speaker 2: Seem like guys that come out and do these things that that do these stories on you. Right, Who are you? What have you done? And are you perfect?

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Speaker 1: You?

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Speaker 2: Never fucked up, never made mistakes, got any skeletons in your closet? Of course they do, you know, of course they do every We're all fucking human. We've all done My New Year's Eve ins in it. Fucking did it happened? No excuses, no fucking you know. I could have tried to make up tennis. There's no fucking excuse. I did it. I admit it, I accept it. Now what I gotta do is I gotta get up every day and I gotta at the end of the day, you have to live with you. Fuck everybody else and what their opinion is of you. You have to know who you are and you have to be able to live with yourself. I got three fucking kids that I love more than anything, you know what I mean, And I embarrass them last New Year's Eve, I embarrass myself. I embarrass my kids, you know what I mean. So you got to get up and you got to look in the fucking mirror, say I fucked up? And how do I make sure this never happens again? Ever? And that's it. I mean, you're you're only You're only fucking uh. You know, the only one that you have to answer to is yourself and the people that care about you and love you and your you know, fuck everybody else.

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Speaker 1: No, And uh, I think it's I think it's cool that you're talking about it, because my question is when you are going through that, like, how difficult was that moment? Because you're somebody, you'll stand up, you'll stand in the batter's box, you'll swing with the best of them. You kind of seem like you can't you can't chip the armor. But when you're cut, you have these philosophies you go by because everybody human, like you said, like talk about those times where it like it is super difficult things that you lean on. Maybe it's people, maybe it's you have a mentor maybe it's a circle, maybe it's just your family. Like talk about the low part.

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Speaker 2: There's nobody but you you find out who's who and what's what. When shit hits the fan. I say it all the time. You know you'll see the people that will reach out to you see if you're good, and the people who won't. It's all good whatever, But the only one that you have to fucking worry about is you, you yourself, because it's about you. You fucked up? Are you? Are you willing to fucking accept the fact that you messed up? And and you have to fix this? You are the one that has to get up every day and look in the mirror and say that I that I do right, that I do wrong? How do I how do I make myself that every day? I have this Bruce Lee quote everywhere in my house and the gym in here and everything about how man every day when you got out of Basically what this quote says is every day when you get out of bed, your your your stride, and your your your game plan should be to be better than you worry yesterday day right. And you will have hit plateaus, but you must break through them and you must succeed to the next level. And I fucking love that shit. That is exactly how I live every day of my life, whether it's my workout now, my health, my business, my relationships, my family. How do you make sure that you're better than you were yesterday. And when you get into these situations like I was in on New Year's Eve, it's like, so you can do two things. You can run and fucking hide, curl up in a ball and let the world just fucking beat you to death. Or you can dig your fucking heels in you figure out how to you know, you have to figure out yourself, and then you fucking you dig in, you fight. I literally the day we got back from Mexico, I had a quote installed on my wall. It says, may God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. So let's fucking go.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, it's a gambling creative for at the bus made God have mercy on the sports. But but you guys, I won't.

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Speaker 2: But you've seen these guys, uh, you know who make mistakes and fuck up and do whatever, and the world comes after them and they just disappear and they roll over and they bow down to whatever the fucking the crowd mentality wants from you. You know what I mean. We're at the end of the day, we all make mistakes, and we're all human. But if you know who you really fucking are, and you you know, you don't have to explain yourself to the rest of the world. You have to explain yourself and make things right with the people that are in your inner circle and that of your family. But at the end of the day, you have to fucking stick up for yourself if you believe in you know what I mean. I see guys that that take just a little bit of heat and the fucking wheels come off the bus and they you know that, they run and hide its building, the UFC going through COVID building. Slap. I am not the run and hide fucking guy. Yes, that's just not who I am.

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Speaker 3: And I will never be moving moving forward like it seems like that's all you're focused on, is all that And you've really taken your health like the next level.

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Speaker 1: You've seen it.

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Speaker 3: When we first met you at the Super Bowl this past year, you were showing us photos of you and Sloppy guy just kind of seem like you're eating whatever, doing whatever, and you've ever you've been singing it, right, I mean right photos. I mean he always kind of a built cat, but you you know there was some background.

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Speaker 2: You call me sloppy, come on here, yeah, sloppy those photos.

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Speaker 1: But you talk about Gary bre this podcast, you talk.

00:22:30
Speaker 3: About Gary Brecaman and how he has essentially changed your life. How did you get on board with a guy like that? How did that whole process happen for you.

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Speaker 2: It's a girl named Kerry case I don't know if you guys are probably too young, but Casey Casem used to have a radio show called Casey Kasem's Top forty. Every week he broke down the top forty uh songs in the country. He was also the voice for Scooby Doo No Shaggy Shaggy on Scooby Doo and uh, you know. His daughter and I have been friends for for for many years and she's, uh, she's hardcore, but she's kind of a hippie, you know what I mean. She says into all the holistic shit. I didn't believe in that stuff two years ago. I thought it was all a crock of shit. Now it's all I believe in. I'm one of these guys. Show me, prove it to me. You're telling me that it's this way, but you have to prove it to me. So I finally decide to hook up with this guy because he was doing IVS. My son. We went down to Miami, for his twenty first birthday, so we needed IV people because we're down there doing whatever. And he comes in with his team and he does my blood work. When he walked me through my blood work, guy had no medical history on me or my family or anything. He told me everything that was wrong with me, and he told me what was wrong with my parents, and he was dead on right, and it was a really trippy experience. And he basically said, if you listen to me for the next twelve weeks, I'll change your whole life. And I was like, I can do anything for twelve weeks, so I went in. It didn't even take twelve weeks, and four weeks I started to feel different order to feel better, and some of the things that were wrong when me started to go away and all this other shit, and then I'm so in on this right now. This guy called me right now said fucking squirt hot sauce in your eyes, and you know I would fucking do it right. Yeah. This guy is a genius and I've seen him help not just me, but so many other people, including people that are close to me. So he is the real fucking deal. And again, you go out on the internet and you hear other people, you know whatever, talk about this guy's a scam artists and this camera. Okay, then don't do it right. Everybody's fucking telling you to fucking do this. Go see your doctor. That fucking works out for you. Good luck to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because you had a uh you had a video recently too. Uh hey listen, not a doctor. I'm not telling you guys do this, do that, whatever. But you did this waterfast and now I'm fascinated from this waterfast. What was eighty six I did.

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Speaker 2: Eighty six hours, but it's a seventy two hour fast and uh, basically it's all water. So this is actually this was done by doctors. They they've got studies that are done on this out of Boston where if you water fast for seven days, it gives you an over seventy percent chance of not getting cancer, Alzheimer's disease, and many many other nasty shit. They've they've done a study in animals and humans. So I talked to Gary about it, and Gary's like, it's absolutely legit, but you don't have to do seven days. You can do seventy two hours. And you walk me through how to do it and what's crazy about is when you do it, you get absolutely fucking shredded. You get so ripped.

00:25:31
Speaker 1: I saw the before and after, but that's.

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Speaker 2: Not even what it's about. It's about the inside is what you're doing for. So you know, there's all these philosophies and listen again, I'm no doctor and whatever. I just regurgitate what I'm told. And this was from the doctors from from Boston. So it's like cold plunging. When you go in into cold plunging, you put your body through adversity. Right, you're in fifty degree water for three minutes. Your body starts to think it's dying, and your body fights back. So your liver secretes this shock protein that's incredible for your body, inflammation, anti age, all kinds of shit. Right, you do that every day, you become absolutely addicted to it. So when you do the water fast, basically what happens is when you stop eating, your body starts trying to defend itself. Are we starving? Are we this? Are we that? So it starts shedding all the bad dead cells in your body and it starts generating new cells, and it starts to fight. Are we gonna starve? Are we going to this that, and that's how it fights cancer and all these other nasty illnesses. How does that not make sense? And then when you talk about fasting and you talk about where we come from and how we've evolved, right back in the day, they would go out and hunt and kill something. Right, there was no refrigeration, there was no freezer. You went back and you ate the food and you didn't eat again until you hunt it again. Yeah, right, So these people would essentially fast until they hunted again. And and eight, how does that not make sense either? And when you're sitting on the couch on a podcast and you're fucking talking about this, you're like Jesus Christ, I don't know if I could not eat for seventy two hours, I mean two years Dana, two years ago would have said, that's fucking ridiculous. Why would I not eat for three fucking days unless not without a deserted island or something, you know. And then once you do it, the level of clarity that you get it's fucking And I hate even saying this in front of people, let alone on a fucking podcast, because I sound like a fucking hippie. But you get into this, like zen state you fork like fucking I don't know, man, I don't know how to explain it. You have to do it to believe it. But fucking Erica did it too. A lot of the people here now at UFC are doing that, are doing this.

00:27:44
Speaker 1: Do you like it?

00:27:45
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:27:46
Speaker 1: For first twenty four.

00:27:49
Speaker 2: Hours she just got off it too. I mean yeah, So I don't want to throw her personal shit out there, but her weight, her whole life, she's been at a certain weight. When she did this, she broke the weight, the lowest weight she's ever been as a woman. Yeah, you know what I mean.

00:28:05
Speaker 1: The barrier, how's the first twenty four hours?

00:28:08
Speaker 2: The first twenty it was. It was good for me because I I do the internet fasting anyway, So I've gone like I when I fly, I do the whole Gary berecast system when I fly now too. So when you fly like I went to Australia, I went to Abu Dhabi, I just did it to New York. You don't eat, you fast on the plane. And there's these hydrogen uh bottle water things that that that turn your water, you know, your your bottle water into hydrogen water and you just drink that the whole way and then when you land you adjust to the time zone. It's fucking incredible. I've done it three times now in crazy flights and it.

00:28:41
Speaker 1: Out where you're not getting the uh the jet leg m, so.

00:28:44
Speaker 2: You don't get jet leg Yeah, and is it like a machine that I've been doing it?

00:28:48
Speaker 1: You put it in there.

00:28:49
Speaker 2: I just now I just bought one that's a leader. These ones were small ones. Now I got the leader. Yeah. This is how fucking crazy end of this shit I am.

00:28:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like you were telling me about your routine that you go through on a daily basis.

00:28:59
Speaker 2: You do it like religion, religiously, religiously, and I feel like I'm fucking in my twenties again.

00:29:03
Speaker 1: Man, guy, you got the jew You definitely got the energy. We started this podcast off.

00:29:08
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you were with me half the night last night playing fucking cards. And I was back in here this morning and I'll be back in here tomorrow.

00:29:15
Speaker 1: What time do you get up this morning?

00:29:17
Speaker 2: Well, I slept in late today. I got up at seven thirty, so I slept late.

00:29:22
Speaker 1: He walked out of at the Red Side.

00:29:25
Speaker 3: And it's like non negotiable. It's like, what are your non negotiables? In the morning for somebody who's listening being like, I love the energy a livery's at.

00:29:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are the little.

00:29:33
Speaker 3: Things I can do now just for me to kind of be better.

00:29:35
Speaker 2: I have the the pad in my bed that alkaline iss your body. I come straight here. I do the cold plunge, I do the steam, I do the oxygen therapy, I do the red light, and then I do my workout. And on the days, because I work out Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then I don't work out again till Saturday. And then every day is recovery, So I do recovery every single day. So on days that I work out and do recovery, it's two hours of my morning, and then on days that I just recover, it's one hour of my morning.

00:30:03
Speaker 3: So when you if you're somebody listening to this podcast falling on a budget, are what's like the number one thing to you? If you're like, if you want to just change one thing and do it consistently, what would that be?

00:30:12
Speaker 2: And that is the hard part, and it's the thing that kills me is because I talk about this so much, because I want to share this with other people, and I want people that are listening to know when you're seeing that doctor and the shit that you're telling him is wrong with you and they can't fix it, and it never gets better, but they just keep adding more and more pills to your fucking pile that you're taking, and it makes you feel even shittier. There is hope you don't have to feel this way. There are and there's other guys out there, like Gary Breca. Right, there's a guy. Will you go grab that book that's on my counter, you know the one I'm talking about right, the books that I have. Nicole has one bringing in here cause people that can't afford Gary Breca. I always tell people to watch Gary's podcast. He's at Gary Breca on Instagram and another guy that Joe's had on that. Everybody tells me this book is incredible, and I buy this book and I give it to people, and I do this because I want to share this with with people. But like like the pad that I put in my bed, Gary says, you take your shoes off and you walk in the grass and it's electricity exactly from from from the Earth's and and then and then, uh, if you don't have a cold plunch, jump in your fucking pool when it's cold out, or or put some ice in a bucket, uh, you know, in a barrel in cold plunch, cold shower, all these type of things that you can do. The red light therapy, get out in the sun even when it's cold out. Gary always talks about first sun in the morning is the best. And you know this. So there's alternatives like this, and then there's this book. This book is called Outlive. I'm gonna give everybody in here one too. I just bought ten more. I never met this guy, don't know this guy. I make no money off the shit. I make no money off any of the ship and in fact, I pay Gary Brecca. Uh full boat. Okay, I'm telling you this, and I'm saying this to you because you can tell that it's I'm super passionate about it and it's real. It works. But this is called Outlive, the Science of Art in the Art of Longevity. Peter Atia sorry if I'm butchering your name, buddy, Peter Atiya, MD. Everybody tells me that this book is incredible, and even Gary. That's the other thing that I love about Gary Breca. Gary Brekat doesn't shit on other people and go no, no, no, only my stuff will do this. Gary's like, this guy is brilliant, this guy's good, and this guy knows exactly what he's talking about. Gary is that type of guy. So there you go outlive. If you can't afford to do a lot of this stuff, check out Gary's podcast and his stuff and read Outlive by Peter Atiya.

00:32:42
Speaker 3: I think this is a lot about Breca, the way he doesn't the way he say he doesn't talk about other people. I've worked with some people like doing the blood work and all that, trying to stay ahead of the chains with football, and it seemed like most of the people I worked with, if I brought up somebody else, they're like, no, fuck that guy, because everyone at the end of the day is trying to make money as well. But I hear breck on you know the Rogan podcasts, and you think about the rivalries within the game that people are living, and he talks about Andrew Heuberman, He's like, guy's awesome. Guy understands his shit, like he knows what he's doing. So that says that probably says a lot about him.

00:33:10
Speaker 2: The first thing, honestly, other than when this guy started walking through the blood work. First thing I noticed about him other doctors, and he says, listen, it's not listen when doctors go they don't study human biology the way that they used to and everything else. He works with doctors to work everybody who has other opinions. He's like, no, that's it. He doesn't shit on anybody ever, Like, no, no, no, not that guy. My way. Gary is the exact opposite. It's one of the things that I extremely respect about the guy. Yeah, so he speaks very highly of this guy.

00:33:42
Speaker 3: When you talk about Breca and he gave you like when you're essentially gonna die, he said you had like ten eleven years to live.

00:33:48
Speaker 2: Ten point four.

00:33:49
Speaker 3: What was like your first thought when you heard that, was it still in your mind, this is the guy's a load of shit, like you have to show me?

00:33:55
Speaker 1: Or was that like the wake up thing.

00:33:57
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't a wake up because I wasn't a believer yet make me believe then I'll say, oh shit, I got ten years left. So then after I started doing his stuff, you know, you know what, I believe. I believe I didn't have that line. I think Gary was being nice. I don't think I had ten point four years I was fucking bad, and I think that, you know, there might be a lot of people out there listening right now that you know, when you're a man and you got shit going on with you, fucking deal with it.

00:34:24
Speaker 1: Boohoo.

00:34:25
Speaker 2: My fucking legs are fucked up by this. That try to talk to a doctor, that don't fix you. It's just like, there's two things. Number one, I'm a man. I gotta do what I gotta do. I gotta get up every day and deal with life. Yeah, number one. And number two, maybe this is how fucking fifty feels. I'm fifty, now, this is how fifty feels. It must be, you know, that's what you start to think. It is the furthest thing from the truth. And now I tell Gary all the time, I'm like, I feel fucking incredible. I feel twenty. And he's like, no, you don't. You don't, you don't feel incredible. This is what normal feels like. This isn't incredible. This is normal. This is what you're supposed to feel like. And it's all fascinating. He's a fascinating dude. I hope that this dude lives to be a fucking hundred because a lot of people need him.

00:35:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a book called Lifespan where a guy talks about that, like if you can do fasting and do basic things like and you can start to feel that normally you're talking about like one hundred, one hundred and ten is like the essentially the new seventy, and like so on and so forth.

00:35:18
Speaker 1: Seventy is the new forty and all that.

00:35:19
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at the generation before us, right, you got Clint Eastwood right now, that's fucking ninety three years old.

00:35:24
Speaker 1: Still doing it. He's a mayor of a town, still doing well.

00:35:27
Speaker 2: He was still doing still making movies, still doing his thing. You got Gene Hackman still alive. I don't know the state of Gene Ackman. I haven't seen him in a while, but he's in his fucking nineties. He's still alive. Bob Aram, I hate this motherfucker. Right, let me tell you about Bob Aram. You go back and research anything about Bob Ahram and me talking about him. I can't stand him. Whatever, I have to give him the respect. I'm at the Aces playoffs, so that the the WNBA champions, the Las Vegas Aces. I'm at the I'm a playoff game. It's eight thirty at night. Now, you got to pull up to the stadium in the back, and you gotta walk quite away. I look over across the thing. It's eight thirty. Bob fucking Aram is sitting at the fucking ninety one, ninety two years old at the Aces game. I'm like, you gotta be shitting me right. A week later, he's in fucking Saudi Arabia watching the fucking fights in Saudi Arabia. He's ninety fucking two years old.

00:36:28
Speaker 1: He's moving around.

00:36:28
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta respect it.

00:36:31
Speaker 1: You gotta respect it right. Respect.

00:36:33
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, these guys from this generation now are already living into their nineties and flying to fucking Saudi Arabia to watch fights.

00:36:40
Speaker 1: How long are you trying to live?

00:36:41
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck how long I live. I want to quality of life. I want a good quality of You know what I don't want to Hey, Dana is eighty six. He's still alive. Fuck, I'm sitting in a wheelchairs rooling on myself in the living room, you know what I mean?

00:36:55
Speaker 1: Eighty six at the high rollers.

00:36:56
Speaker 2: I want to get yeah, boys working on his eight point three million dollars that we've won over the last fucking twenty years.

00:37:04
Speaker 1: Let's fucking go with that. I can get on board with that. What's the lowest you've ever been?

00:37:08
Speaker 2: Down the most?

00:37:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, that's a quick turn positively, you know.

00:37:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the worst you've ever felt in your life?

00:37:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good it's a good question though.

00:37:16
Speaker 2: Two million two Yeah.

00:37:18
Speaker 1: Did you bounce back from it or that's what you walked away? Maybe you came back from something lower?

00:37:22
Speaker 2: Is Hunter here? Pull him in here? If he's in here?

00:37:26
Speaker 3: I would love Hunter to be on this podcast though. He's such a legend.

00:37:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, just stays behind the scene, Yeah, behind the scenes, insappearance every now and then.

00:37:34
Speaker 3: Walle Hunter's coming. How much of a factor is Hunter in this business? The way he operates and everything behind So.

00:37:40
Speaker 2: You want to know something fucking crazy? He was an intern here, No ship, Hunter was an intern. He was an intern in like what department? Like, uh legal and uh yeah legal. He's a lawyer. Yeah, so he interned here when he when he was in college a young kid, and then he became a lawyer and then he ended up becoming my lawyer there, and then when we sold the company I had to bring you know, I brought him in as a is he here, he's not here.

00:38:09
Speaker 1: It's a bad luck. It's a bad I really wanted him to. I'll give you that.

00:38:14
Speaker 2: We talk about how oh he is here? Oh okay, I was gonna say, we're talking about Grady is and he's not at work today. And then he ended up becoming my lawyer. And uh, when we sold the company, I was sort of rebuilding the executive team in a few spots and I brought him into to be my right hand man. Yeah, and he's fucking awesome. Not you know, he's great and what he does, but he's he's one of my close friends. Now, I'm very good friend.

00:38:43
Speaker 3: He seems like he seems like the perfect yang to your yang because you obviously it's.

00:38:47
Speaker 2: Exactly what I was looking for. Yeah, what what you can have here is to me, you know what I mean. So Lorenzo for Tita and I balanced each other out. I needed I need to that other side of the kale to balance out, to keep way that I am.

00:39:04
Speaker 3: Right, because you're you're you're a thrill seeker, you're competitive, you you're fighting a good fight. Hunters a lot that way. Too, from what I've seen, but he has more of he seems more cautious in a lot of ways. In the simple simplest fact is when we get to the analytical because we'll sit there able to hey, you man, you play, and I mean I know he will. He's well off and he does his thing. He's like no, he's like, I'd rather own a casino than play the game. And every time I play, he's like, you're a fucking idiot, Like what are you doing? And I kind of feel bad about myself for a little bit. I'm like, no, I'm gonna keep playing though, We're gonna We're gonna keep this thing rolling. But he's a he's an awesome cat.

00:39:39
Speaker 2: I A casino is Uh, You've got to go through a lot of bullshit to try to casino, and you should. You should, So being fuck that ship. I want nothing to do with that bullshit. That's like a running for office. So basically, the government can come into your house at any point in time, go through your safe, go through your phone, go through all your personal fucking records. You know, all this shit the game. What people don't realize is the gaming industry is incredibly regulated by the government, you know what I mean. So when you go in there, like some nights, when you're in there, you would feel like I always talk about this back in the wild wild West. You have played enough now to see that sometimes when these fucking cards flip, you're like, how is this even fucking numerically possible that this could fucking happen this way? So, but I think back in the cowboy days, when guys were really fucking stupid and had no education, hot headed, everybody carried fucking guns. Imagine being a dealer or a casino owner back in those days, and you see these cards flipping the way that people had to die back then, you guys I fucking dealer because they thought they were cheating. It's impossible. But the reality is when you play these games and the way these cards flip, it is the most regulated ship in this country. All these games are square and on the up and up and and all the cameras and the government is paying attention to everything. It's very, very regulated. So to get a license in gaming, you gotta go through hell.

00:41:09
Speaker 3: It's not that's not worth your time. Fuck that, you're you're more build brands, sell them, move on.

00:41:14
Speaker 2: On the guy's not at the table. I would rather play against you. Yeah, it's it's just my thing. It's what I love to do. And you know, you have people Black Hunter and many other people like, why the fuck does this guy? You doesn't need to get because I like it. That's fucking Whyney business other than I like every night exactly, It's what I like to do.

00:41:36
Speaker 3: When's the last time you didn't bet a max bet and black jack?

00:41:40
Speaker 2: It's just it doesn't exist. Oh, he counts cards, he does this, he does that. I bet the same fucking amount every hand. I bet the max every hand.

00:41:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't just bet the max every hand. You're also a psychopath the way I was watching you, because essentially, when you get down the way you were last night, you have to rely on the doubles and the splits to get you back on track. And there was a couple of times, you know, we're looking at a pair of twos versus a king and you're like, fuck it in the classical light, let's gamble, and then you're doubling whatever going after it, and it obviously worked in your favor.

00:42:12
Speaker 1: Is it just a feel thing though?

00:42:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just you have to mix it up. You know, when we're in this we're in this fucking loop that we were in last night. I was it true? Is it not true? That I would tell you what was going to happen? So we were just talking about before it fucking happened, I told you what was going to happen. So you know, yes, for the most part, you played by the book, but overall you play by your gut, and there's times when you have to do shit that doesn't make sense because nothing is making sense when you have the amount of twenties that we had last night and we won none of them. When you have the amount of double downs that we had and we won none of them. If I had a fourteen, I was absolutely positively getting the fucking ten. If I had an eleven, we're absolutely getting the four, right right, I mean all night, So when that kind of goofy shit is happening over and at fucking one point, I don't know if you remember this, but uh, fucking what's his name? Orlando? Yeah? Played right, John Orlando played, He got fucking murdered. Then we started playing. We got the same fucking hands that Orlando got, the same cards, same up against. Everything was exactly the same. Yeah, like we were fucking caught in the matrix and it was a it was a fucking glitch and the matrix it was fucking crazy.

00:43:31
Speaker 3: There was he started playing. And sometimes you play where you just have the cards down. I don't know if you just enjoy it more the thrill of everybody else washing and no one know what's going on. And I would was sitting right next to him, like well, I could see the cards and he'd have six, like a two and a four, and the dealer would be showing a four, and he would just stay no hit, no rhyme or reason, and then the dealer would bust And is the crazy the goofy shit you're talking about? So as you're taking that ten, all of a sudden.

00:43:57
Speaker 2: Dead on, you're fucking absolute. So when you're in this fucking loop and this ship's go went on, I have the second.

00:44:01
Speaker 1: He gets the crazy.

00:44:02
Speaker 2: Every time you hit that six, right, it's a four to two, right you hit it, it's the fucking ten. So most of the time when ship's going goofy, I will stay on the six. I will stay on you know, hands like that, and the dealer normally, but how many how many times you see it last night. I think it was probably exactly five or six, and I think I lost one.

00:44:26
Speaker 3: And the ones you won then just stay on six. It was kind of like a look at this fucking move and the one you lost you kind of flip it, but.

00:44:33
Speaker 2: The dealers will flip it over and go what Yeah, Yeah, it.

00:44:36
Speaker 1: Was so in the moment. He's doing his mannerisms at the table too, with the card swipe and everything else.

00:44:42
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:44:42
Speaker 3: And the thing that here's what blows me away about you is we've had conversations about people when other situations have happened, and ESPNS and these other companies are calling you saying we want this guy out, and you're like, all right, then we're out that type of how did you become an individual or have you always been like the where you're choosing people over business because you meet people with money and there's a level of narcissism or something where they are so solely focused on their success that they don't care about other people's success, and it seems like you were the exact opposite. I've been at the table with you where you've handed me money. Just last night's perfect example. Kyle from the Milk boys, he's down fifty, you're fucking around, you're on a hot streak. You're like, hey give me thirty, bing bang boom, here here's thirty. And you kind of do that ware like what is that company? Has that always been you? Or is it because you're the position you're in now and you understand people.

00:45:30
Speaker 2: I don't ever choose money over people ever. Ever. I don't know how to explain it, but I will never choose. It's just like, you know, this business, The best example I can give you is going through COVID is no matter what goes on, we're going to go through a lot of hard times. We went through the uh you know, the crash in eight nine. There's been other things that have happened in our business going up with one year we had every fucking main event and fall out or comain event with injuries and it was a rough pay per view year. And you know, we've had times that back in the day when we didn't know if we were going to break covenants and shit like that. We never laid our people off. I will fucking I look at every day when I get up out of bed and I go to work, I'm going to war there's people coming to fucking take shots at us and try to take us down, whether it's the fucking media or these people. Of those people and all these people that are in this building strap up and go to battle with me every day. So the UFC is this fucking battleship, right, and we're cruising and we're fighting the fight every day. Some people have been here for ten, fifteen, twenty years, right, And COVID was the perfect example because we've never found I mean, we've never been through a time that was as scary as COVID. Are we going to die? Is the whole world going to collapse? Is this gonna happen? Is that gonna happen? Now? I'm I'm the leader in this organization, right, I am the guy who is Uh. My job description is to run the business through the good, the bad, the ugly, all this shit. But I take care of my people. My people depend on a paycheck every week for me. So the way that I am what most businesses will do. You saw it a lot through COVID. You see a lot when when they're going through hard times. The way that you stay that that that you make it a lot easier as you you start fucking getting rid of people. So you put bullets on all these people, and you know, then your your costs go down, and you manage the business to do whatever. This is a fucking battleship, and we're either all going down together or not going down at all. That's just the way that I'm fucking wired and the way that I look at it, And and when I look at my employees, I expect a lot from them. Right. This place is a fucking grindhouse. It's a hamster wheel. Every fucking Saturday, we're putting on a fight. As soon as that fight is over, we started promoting the next fight on Monday. Right, So think about this, and this is the way that I look at it. How many games have they missed that their kids played, how many performances have they missed that their kids performed in at school? How many hours did they miss playing with their fucking kids and all this kind of shit. These are the things that I think about. And we hit some hard times, we hit a rocket roll, and that's it. You're just a fucking number. You're you're you're a You're a fucking number to the bottom line, because that's basically what these companies do. They go down and they look at the people, and if you make the most money, you're probably the one that's in the most risk.

00:48:41
Speaker 1: Right.

00:48:43
Speaker 2: Or there's multiple people to do your job or whatever. And what goes out the window is all the shit that you've done for the company, right, all goes out right out the fucking window. Fuck that shit, not with me. I don't forget. I don't ever forget. I always remember who was here, and who did what, and and and and then the people that I don't even know what they did, I know what they did. You know what I mean, because I know what we do here, and and and I will never pick money over people.