Jerry Lorenzo on MLB Upbringing, Building Fear of God, & MJ’s Impact on Baseball

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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke. Season six. Jack has been a good run. It's been a nice three days and we get to end it with family. Yes, welcome to the show. One of the most prolific fashion designers in the game and his Pops has been the Major League system for fifty years. Close super old Triple og Man. Welcome to the show, Jerry, Emmanuel and Pops. This is a long time to thank Lauren. I know you're in here somewhere.

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Speaker 2: You made it happen. Bro. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: We've been playing phone tag for almost two years trying to make this shit happen. But it's it's here and no better time. But now, how's life? I know fatherhood is heavy with you and you're sitting here with your dad, but how's life going for you guys?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 3: Man, we're blessed and covered and you know, I just got back from homecoming back of fam and man, I'm just feeling feel and blessed. You know, everything is you get to a place where you're finally okay, that you're living in like what you prayed for. Sometimes you pray for something, you get it, yeah, and you feel unworthy, you know what I mean? And then you get to a place where you you're like, Okay, you know I did work. I worked for this. God met me in the work, you know, and I'm following his purpose and so I you know, I feel like I'm in his purpose. So I feel good.

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Speaker 1: Fear of God itself. I know you're very spiritual. Where did the name come from?

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Speaker 3: The name came from a devotion we were doing up in Sacramento in one morning, me, my mom, and my dad. I was up there visiting. We were reading utmost for as high as Oswald Chambers, and he was talking about the clouds and darkness around the Kingdom of God and the clouds and darkness speaking to the layers to him. And so I had a visual of what fear and reverence really meant, you know, not a real fear, but a reverence for God because of the layers to him that you just can't comprehend. And so yeah, man, and growing up in the church, you know, anything that was tied to Christianity or faith just always felt like a little softer like, you know, not his gangster. But then I have this this, you know vision, I was like, oh, fear of God like that, it sets what I'm doing with intention and a greater purpose. And then and the name itself just resonated so much of me, and I think we got in the car later that day and I was like, Dad, I think I got a name for this thing. Called it out Fear of God. Yeah, and moments Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful, you just did your MLB collab.

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Speaker 2: It just dropped.

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Speaker 1: How long has it been in the works for.

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Speaker 3: Since I was born? You know, Like the hardest battle for me has been breaking through, you know, with a luxury perspective, you know, from from the side of the world, you know, and fighting to be respected at and seen as that. But playing with sports and you know, athletic appair on me, I feel like I can do that kind of stuff, like in my sleep. It's just like what I grew up, you know what I mean. So when the opportunity came with baseball, you know, I just felt I felt ready, you know, I felt like you know, and then also like from a business perspective, I just felt like I can't find a hoodie in the market that well a team that I can wear without looking like I'm going to it, you know what I'm saying, Like, how do you dress to go to a Dodger game and then have a date after and then not too like you came from the Dodger came you know what I mean. It just felt like a solution that was kind of needed. So and I felt like I had done the work where I understood my perspective and then I could really just easily add at the game to it.

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Speaker 2: And love it.

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Speaker 1: I remember, probably the best part of my career was when my twin boys, who are sixteen now, just got to start traveling with me. What do you remember as a youngster moving around the game of baseball with your dad?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Man, that's that's a lot. That's there's so many things that come to mind. I mean, I used to love, like is it you know, I used to love heading to the ballpark and seeing the lights off the freeway. That was one of the biggest things that just you got excited about getting Yeah, it's getting close to the ballpark. But I think just growing up with my dad, and you know, my dad wasn't never he was never like, you know, the Hall of Famer on the team. No, And he was, however, from his position being constantly kind of the last guy on the roster, always found a way to lead his teams. And so I think what I what I took a lot from from my dad was just the ability to lead from a place of like honesty and truth. You know what he pulls from in order to move in is you know, you know, before he'd head into the ballpark, he'd be reading Godda, he'd be reading you know, Malcolm Max, he'd be reading Martin Luther King and he's came after the losses that was.

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Speaker 4: Malcolm on at that point, it's.

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Speaker 3: All good, go ahead, But you know, just watching him also prepare you know, and knowing that these these truths transcend all things that we touched at these men and like how do how is he using these truths to to move men, to guide his teams, And so understanding that I could apply that to anything in life has been been invaluable.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for my sons to be in your seat and me sitting next to you with my hair and my sons talk about what they picked up for me. So obviously it's an honor to you, Pops, the way you raised you know, your son, and just the way he speaks up for you in such a high regard. I think that's a beautiful thing, Pops walking through your journey? Man, where did baseball come in to play?

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Speaker 2: Where are you from? What's going on with your lord?

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Speaker 1: If you have that much, now we got all the time you need.

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Speaker 4: Well. Baseball started familiar with my dad. My dad was played a little barn star and ball in the Negro League and come to find out later in life, Uh, you know, he wasn't he was a pitcher. They come and get him, he go pitch, come back home, the mom whatever. And then when she wouldn't let him go, he would form leagues in Georgia Georgia that they played each other, so he was actually managing and general managing at the same time playing. So uh, that's kind of what was infused in me. Was was that type of thing. That's why strategy and in all sports it's kind of important to me.

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Speaker 3: That's what I like. I like the strategy of the game.

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Speaker 4: But at that time, growing up in our culture, we had religion, we had uh, music, and we had baseball, and we had fashion. Those was like the pillars of the black community. They were they were big. If you could find your niche in one of them pillars, you you felt like you were doing culture. You you were, you were, you were staying a part of culture. So baseball. You know, my father was a military man, so we travel We went from Georgia to Texas and uh played baseball and football and basketball in those places. Then from Texas we went out to Matha, Sacramentum. Yeah, and that's how I got to California, played all the sports.

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Speaker 3: That actually was the first.

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Speaker 4: Time in my life that I sit in the classroom with someone other than my color was when I got to California in nineteen sixty nine. That was kind of an awakening for me, being a boy from Georgia at that time and then sitting in the classroom was an awakening for me. But it was probably the best thing ever happened to me. Its shaped me differently than what I thought, you know, life would be, or what my space in life would be. But anyway, I traveled through that and was drafted in baseball, had a chance to go play football, had a chance to curst around.

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Speaker 2: Out of high school.

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Speaker 3: Out of high school.

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Speaker 1: Come on, don't need the little details out there.

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Speaker 4: That's not that's not really that important. But anyway, anyway, I went from from there and got into baseball and spent a majority of my career was spent in the minor leagues, upper minor leagues. I got to Triple A baseball relatively quick. Uh went up and down, went up and down, went up and down, and really uh really was it was a journeyman player. Uh, you know, but I knew the game. I knew I knew the game. You know, I know the game. So eventually got in, had a year of scouting, then got into management and in the front office administrative stuff, and desides say, hey, that ain't for me. I like to be on the field. I like to teach, I like to develop, I like strategy.

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Speaker 3: This is not me.

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Speaker 4: Uh, so they made me like a coordinative instruction So so roll instructures for Montreal and then from there had a chance to manage your team in Double A, which was a which would have been a significant jump for a first time manager and being black. So I took the opportunity in Jacksonville, Florida, became the manager of the year. And the rest is, you know, the rest is baseball.

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Speaker 3: You know, speak to the big league. So you know, I mean, go ahead, speak for Manager of the year two thousand with the White So went on to manage the mats in the big League. Yeah, well, you know it's to me it's significant because you know, I'm watching I've never seen at any sport a black head coach, a black manager that was not a Hall of Famer, that was not a big name. And so watching my dad, you know, go up these ladders, watching him fast and pray before interviews, and you know, like really leaning on spirit, you know, really leaning on conviction. You know, he never had a lot of homies, you know, went a part of any any clubs, you know what I mean. He wasn't jumping around with other coaches that could help him. You know, he was really leaned on what he felt like God put inside him, and that's where he found his peace. And so to me, you know, watching him do those things as you know as a kid, you know, you know the reality of how you need to get wherever you go is clear. You know, it was clear.

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Speaker 1: You know, I watched him same principle as you can apply to anything.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and him being a manager and a coach, I think, just you know, watching him because once we got to Chicago in the late nineties, you know, any any decision he makes is on the back page sometimes, you know, and so watching him deal with the media, watching all of these things from my seat, you know, I think I was in fan by that time. I was in college, but you know, watching those things happen, I never realized how that impacted me until I started doing my own thing and being responsible to lead a team. So it was just kind of like life training.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Jerry manual Foundation mission is to educate African African American young men and train them on the fundamentals of baseball. I mean, it's no secret I was a huge baseball fan growing up. The black baseball player is damn near gone. Yeah, why do you feel that? This has been a discussion we've had with c C and Darryl Strawberry, Gary Sheffield, you name it. We've had this conversation and know we've getten different reasonings and why.

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Speaker 2: But why do you guys feel like I just said, they just said it.

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Speaker 5: They're not grooming the homegrown the kids right here in the States, right there in New York, right around that area that can play baseball, they can raise up, but they don't the one who'll get it from the other places.

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Speaker 2: Right in my correct box.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 4: And and and also when you put a strain on the economics, when when that becomes a part and you're from a culture, uh a lot of times there's sixty sixty percent single families. And then the as for that type of economics of you, I mean you you guys know that it's travel ball and that had that That's a part of it. That's a part of that, ain't the whole? Uh, another part of it. You're you're gonna be surprised. I was talking to him about this on the way over here. The evolution of Michael Jordan's changed the landscape in our culture. And you know, it's ironic that he went back to try to play baseball. Come on, now, yeah with me? That that that that that that had a lot to do because we stopped getting the six four, the six seven, the six six baseball player, which was evolving that we.

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Speaker 1: Got Judge, there's a bunch of him, though.

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Speaker 4: Come on, come on, then that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: That's what we try.

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Speaker 4: So what I'm trying to do, I'm trying to find trying to get us back there, you know, the culture, back to the believing that, like I said earlier, this, This is at one point a pillar in our community. It's not that no more. It's basketball, it's football, then maybe maybe soccer now you know, then baseball.

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Speaker 1: You know, so which is crazy too, not to cut you off, and it's and I think it's too. It's you know why the MLB reached out to us and have been working with us because I feel like it's I don't want to use the wrong word. It just needs some it needs some energy, It need some flavor, it need some swag out. And obviously, if you sit back and think of the logistics, I mean, longevity and money, baseball is the best sport to play. Baseball and golf, no doubt, you know what I mean, you can play that ship until so it's just that it's always because again I grew up a huge base I played baseball all the way through my junior year of high school, started when I was like six or seven years old. So just to see the fall off in our community, and that's what we've been being able to interview the suite, like our interviews with our guys from the late eighties early nineties, is the nostalgia area. I grew up watching these guys play and it was just like, man, I remember when we were talking about bo Jackson led the All Star Game off of the home run and Wade Bogs follow right behind.

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Speaker 2: Them with them. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's just like you remember that kind of shit for your whole life, and it's just like, man, we missed that right right.

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Speaker 4: I think we are on our way back though. The things that they're doing in MLB, the develops program that I'm a part of. We got a guy there, Tony Reagan's ahead of that. We got we got pedigreed of Gary Matthews, son Dale Matthews, Antonio Grissom. These kind of people are running this MLB Develops things, and I can.

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Speaker 2: See the Seeds, okay, being plan.

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Speaker 4: I see the Seeds got say we go to these tournaments like I could go to Anament with Jerry's son to play basketball. I see nothing but else on the court. I go to one of these major tournaments like in Jupiter, Florida, first time, the first year I was going to about ten years ago I started. We brought an all black team there from where MLB. Yeah, MLB develops. That's part of our little thing we're going to do, was to go to the tournament and on the other teams all white all the time. This lash just left the tournament. We had so many kids on other teams playing and I told him, I said this, they don't have to play for as long as they play. And it was a beautiful thing. I mean it was so I see, like I said, the seeds out there. And again it's these athletes that are built like Lebron that are playing baseball. We getting those guys. They're not just playing football because now the other part of the single family thing is that the moms see their kids, but they also recogniz is that that other sport could be dangerous. Yeah, and mama's mamas don't like that. Dads have left the son go out there, sony, you know, go on out there.

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Speaker 6: Boy, But you ain't no boy there, Chiny Ray, come back in here.

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Speaker 4: So they playing baseball. Now we're getting that. We're getting that. Yeah, I said, man, wished to some kids come out there. And now I said, good Lord, where are you from Alabama? I said, oh Lord, I forgot you. He said, Noah, my mom won't let.

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Speaker 3: Me play a good deal, A good deal.

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Speaker 5: With yours being a master leading men, what did you take from those experience from him interfere God.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I take all of it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's one thing to be a player. It's another thing too to be a head coach and to be a manager, a leader, to know the game, you know, from a different perspective. And I think in what I do, I trust my instinct and my perspective of my point of view in fashion that is uniquely mine, and that provides the permission for me to be in my space. And I watched him manage the game in a way that only he uniquely could and also feeding myself from the same source that gives you that conviction and that instinct. And so yeah, man, I just I watched, you know, because as he said, like he was either you know, a coach in the big leagues or in the minor leagues. And I watched him move within circles where what people valued would be you know, what you're driving, what you got, what you got on or whatnot. And you know, we were always struggling to check a check family. He was going to the ballpark with the same blue blazer on every day. But there was something about him that everybody wanted, and it was it was something you know, when the wives are having problems, they would talk to my mom. And there was something that my parents had that although we didn't have what you know, the players had or maybe the you know, everyone else had monetarily, we had something else as a family. And so I've always known, you know, what value really is, what cool really is, you know what I mean, what it's like to be respected and different from you know, what it's like to someone to think that you're.

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Speaker 2: Cool, impressive, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: And I wanted to be you know what my dad was and so you know you kind of asked about on the field, but it was just all walks of life, you know, just having an integrist example, and it's you know, people ask, oh, you must have your dad was in baseball, you must have had a good start. I'm like, no, I came from.

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Speaker 7: Love and and an understanding of who I am.

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Speaker 3: That's what it allows me to do well in my field.

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Speaker 7: The clarity and like who I am and what I'm called to do, and that comes from the home that I grew up in.

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Speaker 3: And so that's the privilege that I come from.

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Speaker 2: Can buy it. This fashion game is it's crazy right now. Everybody's creating.

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Speaker 5: Everybody wants to be in the fashion game, but your son is one of the top guys. How do you How do you feel watching your son be a leader in the space.

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Speaker 4: That's exciting for me. Uh, to see him be his own It's what we trying to preach it home. You know, answer, you be, You be the answer, don't you know, don't don't don't worry. Don't worry about somebody taking something from you or you having to go to someone else. You run the thing. You're capable of doing that. You got everything you need to do to do that. And uh, it's it's really crazy what he's doing, you know, the little one.

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Speaker 6: I know, you know what I'm saying, dude, I know you know crazy man, you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, dang, look at this boy. What what's going on there? These gonna work? Oh no, that ain't working, man, Yeah they work they bottom So anyway, anyway, anyway, I think the most the thing that I'm most proud of, to be honest with you, is that he's recognized in culture. That ways heavy for me. That's big for me. I've been applauded by But what they say about you at home.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, not only recognized, but moves it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, influencing it, influencing it. So that comes out of all the things that we struggle with, or our family struggle with on the way up. But keeping the principles in place, trusting the principles, and that that was the That was the key thing for our family, was trusting the principles that we learn through those daily devotions and things like that. You know, it was challenging because that in itself sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Could take you where you.

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Speaker 3: Don't want to go.

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Speaker 4: That doctrines that might not be you know what I'm saying. So you have to find what the principle of the thing is, where it's unwavering, and stay with that regardless of what you say about it, and what you say about it, what's the truth. And for him to come through and and you know, go to that stream of fashion and to do as well as he's doing, extremely proud, extremely proud, and you know, he he you know what I tell him, Hey man, just remain humble.

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Speaker 5: I said this earlier, SA, that's just saying I said, nobody wants you to be better than the more than your father.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: You're right. You cheer your kids on, you play, you play the game. When your kids playing the game, you know.

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Speaker 6: I hate that boy, get the ball.

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Speaker 3: You don't do whatever?

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Speaker 4: You know, what are you doing? What are you thinking? I watched him, I watch him with his son.

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Speaker 3: I said, you need to relax, man, what are you doing?

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Speaker 6: How are you gonna make a shot but you'll ride?

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Speaker 4: You need to relax. Tell the little jermy, come on, man, let me. I got him, Jerry, I said, I got it. He like keep playing and he can't playing.

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Speaker 2: He can't playing.

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Speaker 6: There as good as Jered telling him what to do and watch what you want to show.

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Speaker 3: We got to go to break show.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's uh, it's it's it's it's rewarding.

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Speaker 3: It's rewarding.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, the biggest thing, one of the biggest things, honest for me, was when he went to the Malcolm Ings thing and they honored him there. He was guy read And I'm like, okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 3: That that feels good to me, to me as a.

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Speaker 2: Father, Jay, what's your definition of culture?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I haven't never really been asked. I think culture is what is what moves people.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, the common music that we listen to, but what what we wear, what we share, we talk about, how we talk, you know, it's that commonality amongst us. You know what is that? And I think you know, to me, that's culture. It's a it's a it's an unspoken share experience, you know. And to your point, being blessed to be in a position to have some type of impact or influence on that on the thing that influenced and shaped you is you know, it's it's it's a very humbling experience or a very humbling place to beg in, you know, to be able to just got back from home, coming to fam you and like I remember being there and you know, having all these aspirations and not fitting in, and you know, to be able to go back and a place where you were trying to find yourself and to be celebrated and and your people just being proud of you, you know, and seeing seeing your pieces out there. And then I got, you know, some of my frat brothers telling me how they shop or their kids, and they so proud of me, and you know they know me as Jerry Manuel, you know what I mean, Like that's you know it was Jerry Manuel Junior.

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Speaker 5: This whole time, I was making all the ship cool, like you come back, you go back to home, came like, you know what, I was really the cool kid this whole time, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean I like to say that, but not. I was still trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Man. I was mentally though, oh yeah, you had all this stuff in your mind already.

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Speaker 2: You know what actually came out? Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, because I knew I didn't know how to express it, but I knew what cool was, and you know what I mean, And to me, it was always had to do with number one, who you were as a man, what you believed, and what you stood for, in addition to how dignified are you presenting yourself? How sophisticated are you presenting yourself with ease?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I watched him be the coolest dude with the same blue blazer every every road trip.

00:26:49
Speaker 2: We've seen him.

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Speaker 4: We already knew it here.

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Speaker 1: It ain't what's on what's in you? Yeah, and then if it's on you to look out, if it's you.

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Speaker 3: You can't tell the smoking like a true light skin guilty.

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Speaker 2: We deal with.

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Speaker 5: Guilty past the present. What baseball players do you think have the most swag?

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Speaker 3: The old school of the shields, the line of the shields, I watched the line of the shields was the first one with the high tops. I watched him, the first one to play socks up like Jackie. I mean watching him used to come and hit, hitting the cages in the backyard like I mean, the guy his swag was just crazy. I don't know if you remember. He was winning, winning the for like a slam dunk contest.

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Speaker 1: To get athlete like my hal and all them crazy.

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Speaker 3: The line of the Shiels is by all time we swag.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the guy that had the most swag was Ricky Henderson.

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Speaker 2: You need to do it. First base.

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Speaker 4: When he hit one and yeah and then pimple round man with the big old lav.

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Speaker 2: That was my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Up he did with his gloves and he had the lime green gloves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was out there.

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Speaker 3: He was out there enjoying the game.

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Speaker 1: And speak to yourself in third person. Y third person is crazy.

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Speaker 5: He had he had a he had a nice little hop after his home run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he started that. He started that, Yeah he started Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That.

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Speaker 2: No, that's that's considered real swag right there. Yeah, sir, that's the greatest lead off here, no question. Yes, about the game, no question.

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Speaker 4: That's the greatest, greatest one.

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Speaker 5: Who when you do you know that you were going to be in the major league when the fashion bug hit?

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Speaker 2: When did you know you worked when the fashion bug hit? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Man, I've been working retail part time, man, helping myself through like Grado, you know when got my MBA and my part time was, you know, working at Diesel. But I had just you know, I had a knack for like understanding what people wanted. I think, you know, when I started the brand, there were a lot of dudes around me that have brands, and again, like I narcissistically kind of felt like, man, I got a little bit more swagyan these cats, I should I could figure this out. And then yeah, man, first collection hit, some pieces got to Yay. He picked up my white T shirt and he was just like, man, I can and at that time, yay was yay from a fashion He's like, man, like, I could see all the thought that went into this white tea. I was like, I knew I had it. It was just a white team I was like, I knew this is what people wanted, you know what I mean. And it was it was in that moment where I knew, I knew I had the conviction and the vision for what I wanted to say because someone that I had looked up to, you know, saw what I saw what I saw and but yeah, I just you know, and that was my first collection, and to have somebody that I kind of looked up to so much at the time see that, you know, I kind of I knew, I knew it was gonna be what was gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Like anybody else, did you battle any self doubt? Oh?

00:30:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still have self doubt. Yeah, Like self doubt is something we you know, we struggle with, especially as kind of you know, black men, when you're when you're told your whole life that you not something you know and not not at home but by by the world, and so yeah, you know, deal with that a lot. And maybe maybe that's why the brand didn't start till after I was thirty, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I kind of feel like ohe sometimes like how he started rapping late, right, he just kind of came in with a different, different game than some of the younger guys, right, And I just feel like I just had enough life behind me and enough understanding and conviction of who I am. You know, never never desire to be a part of a fashion click or world or society that I knew innately didn't really want me. So I never even had that you know, that that that it's to be validated in that way, you know, which is kind of why we you know, we did our first fashion show at the Hollywood Bowl in La I felt like, why does our perspective always have to live against a backdrop that's not ours to be luxury? Like what we do here that influences the world, it's just as luxury here. So yeah, I mean I think a lot of that just comes from again always knowing whose I am, you know, my purpose, who I serve, and who I am within this world. I was never I was never unclear about that because of kind of how I was raised. I think for your for your seventies, that's what I told you, I said, man, you gave me anything. Man, it was like I've always known who I am. I think that's been my greatest asset.

00:32:06
Speaker 1: I Mean, people don't understand how important that is because there's people that struggle with that identity, their hohold, like who am I? That don't know and understand? But at an early age, knowing that is very important makes everything a lot clearer, not easier, but it makes it clear.

00:32:20
Speaker 5: Especially today with so many people looking to the outside world of validation.

00:32:25
Speaker 2: You know it's right there, know who it's right in the mirror.

00:32:29
Speaker 5: Fear Guard being one of the most influent, influential, and recognizable brands of this era.

00:32:34
Speaker 2: Where do you get your inspiration from today? We're being so successful already.

00:32:37
Speaker 3: I can't look at influence er sales or numbers as like success. I just I'm really chasing purpose, And I think my perspective is the same from what I started. But each year, the ten thousand hours of my craft is getting better, and so what I'm saying is is becoming more clear. But I'm not really saying something new. I'm just being able to articulate it through clothing much more clear than I did last collection. And so I feel like the intention and what I'm communicating this like effortless elegance is That's what I'm always gonna say, you know, That's that's my nice combination like that, and so like that's how I move.

00:33:19
Speaker 1: So that's why I wear your ship so much effort, Pops, When did you start, obviously, this is the vision of dream. It started coming to fruition in what twenty eleven is when things started? When did you start wearing the stuff and feeling comfortable in it?

00:33:37
Speaker 4: I've always worn I'm supporting it, Okay, So anything he put out, I have a baddy look on me. Yeah, that's my son. Yeah, So I'm not don't I don't hesitate.

00:33:53
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's a big I mean, you're seventy here in your seventy one, so to be able to have like that shit is flying, you know what I mean. So to be able to be in something that we move around in this and then that's kind of again something that something like almost age appropriate, you know what I mean.

00:34:08
Speaker 2: But it's still fly.

00:34:09
Speaker 4: So it's very comfortable. I've noticed that my generation ain't quite there.

00:34:15
Speaker 2: Yet because you're the same.

00:34:19
Speaker 1: You're to say that we still think we got you know, my dad.

00:34:26
Speaker 3: Like that ship.

00:34:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they ain't quite there yet because I can tell when I go places or have something that he is on and they want.

00:34:35
Speaker 3: It but they scared.

00:34:37
Speaker 4: You know, come on, you can do it's.

00:34:40
Speaker 2: Good for you look as cool.

00:34:42
Speaker 4: That's not always say but but yeah, so for me it's it's all. It's good because it's comfortable. And always, even when I was young, I always felt that if I could take my tennis shoes anywhere, I'm good the game.

00:34:57
Speaker 3: Breakout, I can play if I can do it.

00:35:00
Speaker 4: You know, just but I can still look yeah, look good. So yeah, I h every chance, I get everything. Every time I put it on, I think I'm represent him.

00:35:11
Speaker 3: So that's that's what I wear.

00:35:12
Speaker 1: But you saw the void that that not many brands have been able to do. I think obviously Jordan's able to deal with shoes. But we always used to talk about in the league, like we want to be able to wear something in the game and then be fly enough to go to the you know, and you talked about that earlier way.

00:35:24
Speaker 2: It brought me back, like.

00:35:25
Speaker 1: I want to be able to go to a game and then go after and not like, look I came from the game.

00:35:30
Speaker 2: You feel that void.

00:35:31
Speaker 1: And obviously you're still in the midst of your greatness and I'm sure there's much more to come, But do you ever kind of sit back and be like, yeah, we're definitely on the right track with this, and this is, this is, this is I'm needed.

00:35:43
Speaker 3: Oh man, I've never said I'm needed. Man, I feel like, but you are, I'm chosen. I feel like I'm I'm an idiot, you know. But I never feel as if I'm needed. I feel like God to take somebody else if I'm not going to step up, you know, I feel like, you know, you're not You're not answering the call, like and so I'm humbled by it, you know what I mean. I'm humbled that he chose me to answer the caller, to or get a call, and I just I chose to answer it. And I think I'm humbled by that. But I never I never ever think it's me. Never think it's me. I've never I've always known it's him. Know where my ideas come from. You can't tell me it's me. I know I know where you know.

00:36:30
Speaker 4: And I got to dance and it's right, you know, I know he know that it ain't him dance telling him that. But but but the key thing to that, to that question, is that it sometimes it feels good to the ego, but when you feed it too much.

00:36:49
Speaker 3: It could be very dangerous.

00:36:51
Speaker 4: And that's what I try to We try to put things in place to where it ain't about you. They don't get too big on me. Now, come on, let's go, let's get back to I feed on solid grounds, on truth, on principle. We just to enjoy and enjoy the benefits of what's going on. But let's be careful, you know, be careful because it's easy to get to.

00:37:17
Speaker 3: It's easy.

00:37:18
Speaker 4: And then you walk out there and where are you at?

00:37:20
Speaker 2: What happened?

00:37:21
Speaker 4: Who am I with that type of thing? But very proud of what he's doing and what he represents. You know, that's that that that's that's key he represents and that's that's that's needed.

00:37:37
Speaker 2: The right way.

00:37:39
Speaker 1: One of the hardest things, and towards the end of my professional career was feeling like I was missing out on so much of my kids. First, with the twins, I was always.

00:37:51
Speaker 2: On the road.

00:37:51
Speaker 1: Obviously, your job had you on the road a lot. Your job now kind of has you travel in the world. How do you balance fatherhood and in family time with the demands of both of your guys' careers.

00:38:04
Speaker 3: I mean, the good thing about his career is we always had him in the off season. So we always had Dad at home from November until spring training, and so we had like our good like four months with Pops like full time. And when he was home, he was home with fashion. Man, I don't have that off season, you know. And so it's it's constant. And so to answer your question, I struggle heavily. You know, my son's eighth grade, it'll be a freshman next year. Daughters are twin daughters are you know, going into uh seventh grade next year and they're playing sports.

00:38:46
Speaker 2: It's in the water out here, yeah.

00:38:48
Speaker 3: And it's just like, man, I feel like I'm missing a lot. And sometimes I'm like, man, if I obsessed over my kids the way I obsessed over his pair of sweat fants, you know how different you know what things be. And so now I'm at that place where I'm like, man, I got I'm spending so much time obsessing over shapes and like photo shoots and campaigns and you know, everything that we're doing, and it's just like, man, like what if I put just a little bit more of this at home?

00:39:24
Speaker 2: You know?

00:39:25
Speaker 3: And so to answer your question, Man's it weighs on me. Man, it's heavy, you know, because you're believe you're doing what you're called to do. But there's nothing more important than being a steward over your family, right, and so finding that balance is you know, it's tough. I'm trying to figure it out.

00:39:44
Speaker 2: What about you, pops.

00:39:45
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they said they had that four months with you, but obviously there's eight months a year where you're moving around.

00:39:50
Speaker 3: I had a good wife. I have a good wife year.

00:39:54
Speaker 1: Congratulations. I need to sit down with you. I can't figure that. I'm over to at the plate.

00:40:03
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's all right, that's yeah. So that's right, that's right. You can play for the Yankees, you can play for.

00:40:12
Speaker 3: The Yankees anywhere.

00:40:20
Speaker 4: Yeah. That for me in my time, I had to I had someone that believed in my dream and allowed me to pursue it all those years and at the same time take care of my children. So when those four months came, I mean it was big for me. I'm a pop up.

00:40:43
Speaker 3: I'm him.

00:40:44
Speaker 4: I gotta say I'm the best pop up in the world.

00:40:49
Speaker 3: I'm him.

00:40:50
Speaker 4: And so I like kids and to have grandchildren and my kids. I told my wife when we got married, I wanted seven. I actually I wanted.

00:41:01
Speaker 2: Oh boy, she said.

00:41:03
Speaker 3: She looked at me and said, why you ever, sister.

00:41:08
Speaker 4: You know, you know, we know you know how they do it. But anyway, anyway, she was really the thing that helped me get.

00:41:16
Speaker 3: Through through that stretch of life, which was which was really really, really really tough.

00:41:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:41:23
Speaker 3: I mean I'm talking.

00:41:25
Speaker 1: And I think that's a lot of things that people don't talk about, Like we don't talk like, obviously, man, you're the best, one of the best designser man, you're in the major. Look like, Okay, that's great, but that's not who It's a part of who we are.

00:41:35
Speaker 2: Obviously.

00:41:36
Speaker 1: Family is the most important. That's why a lot of people like I played you know for fifteen years, but walked away with two years left on my deal because I just felt like, man, I'm missing too many first, you know what I mean. And at the end it became like a job because we were traveling so much. You know, I'd won a championship, and I'm like, I need to be I want to be able to take my kids to school. I want to be able to make their lunch. I want to be able to coach them. I want to be able to just fucking hang out with them, you know what I mean. And that's why I initially stepped away from the g I stepped away from the game period, was because I felt like I was missing too much time with my kids. So it's it's always an interesting it's funny your study. You're still trying to figure it out.

00:42:09
Speaker 2: It's hard.

00:42:11
Speaker 4: This is a good time for you because your kids gonna appreciate that. They gonna appreciate that now you sacrifice. You could have kept going and going and playing and playing, but you you said, I'm doing.

00:42:24
Speaker 2: This for you. I can't give you this, but I can do this for you.

00:42:28
Speaker 4: Appreciate that.

00:42:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I told me, I mean, I can't wait to be in your side. If I'm blessed to be able to get to see you, know your age and have my kids say something like that, because I did. I left the game. Yeah, I left the game to be their coach, to be their chaperone, to be their teacher, to be that you know, that mentor to them. So it was it was important to me to do that best baseball jersey of all time.

00:42:50
Speaker 2: In your guys' opinion.

00:42:52
Speaker 3: I gotta go with the Expos just because I grew up and you know, you were with the Exposed the longest right at Expos, man.

00:43:01
Speaker 1: The light blue one.

00:43:03
Speaker 3: I probably go to Home Whites.

00:43:04
Speaker 1: The homes with the red, white and blue.

00:43:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the red, white and blue hat. I just you know, something about the Expos was just super cold to me.

00:43:13
Speaker 1: You know, growing up twenty eighteen, you launched Fear God Essentials. Walk me through the process of having a luxury brand but also making the essential side of it essential essential?

00:43:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you know I was approach with approach, with an opportunity to kind of created a fusion. In the first year, it was it was fog. It was fog, and it felt dishonest. It felt like a water down version of like what Fear of God was. And I never wanted to put anything in the market that was dishonest, and so changed the name to Essentials and really just wanted to create these perfect basics that you could wear with Fear of God, you know kind of yeah, look, Fear of God and Essentials kind of you.

00:43:57
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, like together, you know what I mean?

00:44:00
Speaker 3: And how how can you you know, not be full luxury? Right because I never dressed full luxury and so that also in itself was dishonest. You know, there's always something that's maybe like a Nike hoodie or a Champion sweatshirt with you know, you know, some expensive genes or something you know, always playing. And so it also was honest to my aesthetic. You know, how I dress. The reality of that is a little bit of this, a little bit of that. And how can I do all of that in and of myself without having to go outside and and it be another brand or be something else. How was that? You know, one honest proposition from you know, athletics. You got the whole thing. Athletics. You're a god to essentials, right like the sneakers you know what.

00:44:46
Speaker 1: I mean, snakers all episode. Besides, you wear pops.

00:44:51
Speaker 2: I might have to come up.

00:44:54
Speaker 3: When I was younger.

00:44:58
Speaker 1: Jy react to this tweet you made in July of twenty twenty one. If you have essentials on Amazon, you did not buy essential.

00:45:08
Speaker 3: I mean that's just what it is. You know, if you bought it on Amazon, that's not essential.

00:45:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, how have you?

00:45:16
Speaker 1: Obviously this is a copycat world. It's a form of imitation and flattery, but at the same time it's taken away from your business.

00:45:22
Speaker 2: Impost syndrome.

00:45:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel I feel like you know that, Like it's like that other side of me, right, like that arrogance that I have to battle, right because if you bought it on Amazon, the reality is and that's all you could afford. Like, I'm humbled by that, you know what I mean. I'm humble by the fact that there's a lot of knockoffs. It means we're doing something right, right, And you know, me and my wife, you know, we talked about my mom, but you know, at first, when the knockoffs started happening, she just said, well, do you not have any more ideas? I was like, of course I got ideas, Like all right, then.

00:46:00
Speaker 1: Are you what do you what are you worried about?

00:46:03
Speaker 2: You know?

00:46:04
Speaker 3: And that just gave me even more confidence of the well that I'm pulling from. It's like, you could be a variation of a little bit of but you not this, you know, And even though this may be really hard to tell from what you're doing that looks like this, the people I'm speaking to know, you know.

00:46:23
Speaker 5: It's still that taking my ship now, It's still that in you right yeah, okay, yeah, okay, okay, they gotta stay there.

00:46:30
Speaker 2: Jay, they gotta stay there.

00:46:31
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That's that, that's the that's the arrogance, that's the that's the competitive that's the growing up playing baseball, growing up playing sports. Side that I also have that, you know. I think I watched Ryan Cooler talk about, you know, the fact that he played football. That's his advantage over everybody. He knows he's gonna go harder, you know what I mean. And for me, I'm dealing in fashion and you know, nothing against anyone, but I know how hard I'm gonna go.

00:46:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

00:47:01
Speaker 3: And so that that fight, you know he could he could, you know, at least you know, I couldn't play, But I have some fight.

00:47:09
Speaker 2: That's half right there.

00:47:13
Speaker 1: Kobe talked about that though. I mean to have that athlete mentality, the dedication, the work ethic, all that stuff, and be able to apply that to what you know, business, and you were able to mean, like we talked about, the principles you learned from sports, you can apply to life and be just as successful, if not more successful, in life.

00:47:30
Speaker 2: We're in an age of collaborations.

00:47:32
Speaker 5: What goes through the process of you're picking up picking out who you're gonna collabor with.

00:47:35
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's changed now. I done been through a lot of tough collabse I think now, Man, I'm more and more trying to again be complete in and of myself, you know. And there's some brands that we're you know, collabing collabing with, whether it's like you know, eyeglasses that come out next year or some some uh some bags and backpacks and things. And these are best in class companies that allow me to extend my perspective through through through a through a product or a category that I've yet to to master right in they and I bring a perspective to them and I help, you know, and they allow me to play in the area that I've yet to really be able to play in. And so for now I'm looking for, you know, collaborations that can just help extend, you know, the the language and the honesty of who we are. And that's why I like, you know, Baseball, the NBA, you know, NFL that's coming out. These are natural parts of my life, you know what I mean. And so I'm looking to, you know, extend the honesty of what fear of God is through a know, an honest.

00:48:56
Speaker 1: Partner legacy obviously is something that your dad's started, uh in sports, and you've ck up and taking it to fashion. What do you want the Lorenzo name to represent?

00:49:07
Speaker 3: Man, It's it's funny, like, you know, Lorenzo is his dad's first name. He's Jerry Manuel. I'm Jerry Lorenzo Manuel. My son is Jerry Lorenzo Manuel the third. I never had an intention to have a Lorenzo legacy. I was in I was in Hollywood throwing parties, and he was managed in the White Sox, you know, probably led the league and getting thrown out of games, but never cursed at an umpire. You know, it's had like a different level of integrity to the Manual name.

00:49:41
Speaker 1: You really got to saying something to get kicked out and not be cussing. So you gotta be really saying something.

00:49:49
Speaker 3: What were you saying?

00:49:52
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:49:52
Speaker 1: What you talking about their mamas? And that's what I'm saying. Yeah, well, well well well let me tell you, oh, man, I didn't want to go here. We ain't got to if you don't want to.

00:50:08
Speaker 2: But yet to not get kicked out.

00:50:11
Speaker 3: And let the league and getting tossed, well, a lot of my.

00:50:18
Speaker 4: Leaving was due to h yeah, me going off, but I had sensed a level of disrespect.

00:50:27
Speaker 2: That's where that's where you come from, first and foremost.

00:50:30
Speaker 4: You come from. Where you come from.

00:50:32
Speaker 2: You can disagree, yeah, but I respect.

00:50:36
Speaker 4: So and being minority, not well known, but I'm in the same office, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so give that to me. And when you don't, that blows that. That's where I blow off. And I don't have to curse that you. You think I'm cursing that you, But I'm on a whole different level.

00:50:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's that's a different level of the game.

00:51:03
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:51:04
Speaker 1: I didn't want to I don't even know if I want to master that.

00:51:07
Speaker 2: That's sary.

00:51:08
Speaker 1: Like I said, I enjoy getting my I can cuss no out referees. I don't get fined twenty five hundred. I used to get fined twenty five hundred for it. So now when I cuss reps out, it's just right.

00:51:16
Speaker 3: It's free.

00:51:17
Speaker 4: And I was arguing to call too.

00:51:19
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but but the spirit of like how you talking to me?

00:51:23
Speaker 3: Yeah?

00:51:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on now, yeah now.

00:51:26
Speaker 3: You now you know, you know it was it was unfortunate, But I say that to say the manual name, how to how to set the bar, set a bar. And so when I was throwing parties in Hollywood with Hennessy bottles in my hand, I knew I couldn't use my last name.

00:51:50
Speaker 1: Because of what it came.

00:51:51
Speaker 3: That's because of what it meant. I knew it meant. I couldn't have somebody looking up Jerry Manuel and it's me and the club turned and he's you know, you know what I mean. So I mean, he'll tell you. I mean, that's that's that's honest. So I would like the legacy to be manual. And it's funny. I went back to fam you know, uh, graduated in two thousand, saw some of my frat brothers and some of my baseball players, and they was all just, you know, Jerry Manuel. You know what I'm saying, Like they knew me when it was Jerry Manuel. You know, it wasn't with how the world sees and something about that. Man just felt, Man, your brothers know me for me, you know. And so at some point, man, I hope this legacy becomes comes back to Manuel, comes back to you know, Lorenzo Manuel, his father and mom's parents, and you know, it's our family legacy. It's you know, it's Manuel.

00:52:56
Speaker 2: Have you guys ever done an interview together?

00:52:58
Speaker 3: This is our first time.

00:53:02
Speaker 1: Because the way you guys sit and look at each other when the other one is speaking, it's so dope.

00:53:08
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

00:53:10
Speaker 1: Anything you're working on that we could you could talk about that we should be on the lookout for.

00:53:13
Speaker 3: Well, we just launched Women's in Paris and that that will release and in January I was, I was exciting, and then you know, we just spoke a little bit on the NFL that's coming towards the end of the year, you know, through Essentials, and we have a lot of other collaborations coming next year. I don't think I can speak on them just yet. But you know, like I said, man, it's it's fashion. It's always something coming. Man, it's all set today shooting, you know.

00:53:40
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna put you on the spot right here. We need to be the first podcast. But let me tell you.

00:53:48
Speaker 8: This is why that got us here, man, This is why this is why we winning, bro, because I was thinking, it's the whole show, my brother.

00:54:01
Speaker 1: We need to talk, man, we need to We need to be the first all the Smoke sponsored by in collaboration with Really Easy. Come on, man, were already freshest. It makes sense and we whip as if needed. So it's just it is what it is.

00:54:21
Speaker 3: But I love it.

00:54:23
Speaker 2: Quick hitters.

00:54:24
Speaker 1: First thing to come to mind. Let us know, Pops. I'll start with you. Greatest MLB baseball player of all.

00:54:29
Speaker 4: Time, Willie May.

00:54:32
Speaker 2: You're going with his guy son? Who you got?

00:54:35
Speaker 3: I'm going Barry Yeah, nice, I'm going Barry Bonds. That's cool.

00:54:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, best trash talker in Major League Baseball history, I say, Dave Parker. Dave, he was a big boy too. Dave Parker was a big boy.

00:54:51
Speaker 4: He's turned brown. I'll be wearing my third crown.

00:55:01
Speaker 1: Talk back there was more like players ship. It was like yeah, it wasn't really like it was like, yeah, it was on some stuff like that. Yes, he said, when the leaves turned round, I'll be winning another batting crowd crowns, childhood crush.

00:55:16
Speaker 3: Oh man, what's her name from?

00:55:19
Speaker 4: Uh?

00:55:20
Speaker 3: Purple rain Vanity? Oh my god, that's the coldest, the coldest of all time. Her and Lisa Bonnay Cosby show.

00:55:38
Speaker 2: Okay, Pops, toughest toughest picture you ever faced.

00:55:42
Speaker 3: He faced a lot. All of them are tough.

00:55:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right right.

00:55:51
Speaker 2: The people to be your old people.

00:55:54
Speaker 4: Your name one that you hit.

00:56:01
Speaker 1: Bob Gibson, my solns be talking so much other people with my son, I'll smack the ship.

00:56:09
Speaker 4: Right.

00:56:10
Speaker 1: One album this for both, the one album you guys can listen to on repeat together or no, just you Your at Aliens is.

00:56:17
Speaker 4: My favorite Aliens anything by Curtis Mayfield.

00:56:20
Speaker 1: Curtis Mayfield, Yes, yes, you guys can rank these individually or together. M J Kobe Bron.

00:56:28
Speaker 3: It's how you said it, m J. Kobe Bron's I mean, and I got you know, maybe maybe somebody else the number.

00:56:33
Speaker 2: Three, But who you got three?

00:56:34
Speaker 3: I gotta go Curry Steph and then and then and then I go magic and then I go Bron.

00:56:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, that what about you?

00:56:46
Speaker 2: I leave it like it is, that's right, that's right. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

00:56:50
Speaker 3: Don't fix I could go back and get Oscar.

00:56:53
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you know, but hey, timple double King, I don't know if Oscar wanting problems with them three.

00:56:59
Speaker 4: Though, right, right, you're right, you're right.

00:57:05
Speaker 5: If you can see one guests on our show, who would it be, but but you have to help us get your answer on the show.

00:57:10
Speaker 3: I'd like to see Obama.

00:57:12
Speaker 2: Oh that's.

00:57:14
Speaker 1: So, that'll that'll come true, Pops.

00:57:16
Speaker 5: Somebody from your era, you know that, somebody from baseball that you would like to see, you know, kind of kind of blend in with the younger generation that's still you know, with valid and sports right now, especially baseball side.

00:57:27
Speaker 4: Well, you know what would be interesting for this show would be to listen to Bob Kendricks the Negro League Museum.

00:57:37
Speaker 2: Okay, Bob Kendricks, yes, yes, write that down.

00:57:40
Speaker 4: His storytelling and what if you've ever been to Kansas City and go to the Negro League Museum.

00:57:46
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

00:57:48
Speaker 4: It's it's amazing for him to speak on that helps us, Yes, move forward.

00:57:55
Speaker 2: We got a chance to play what feel that played at oh Rickfield? Rickfield? Yeah? We got playing Rickfield?

00:58:02
Speaker 4: Oh he did?

00:58:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, we played I Want MVP. He won VP. Yeah you know you know softball Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, that game.

00:58:12
Speaker 4: That was in Birmingham. In Birmingham was.

00:58:15
Speaker 1: With uh we want in the game though, yeah, because they played the game there after us.

00:58:20
Speaker 4: We also game I meant Lewis.

00:58:24
Speaker 2: Reggie jack Jackson.

00:58:25
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, they.

00:58:27
Speaker 2: Got to let it out, let it all out.

00:58:29
Speaker 3: It is rick Wood, rick Wood, rick Wood, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:34
Speaker 4: We'll play there. Our youth group will go there and play in front of scouts.

00:58:38
Speaker 3: Forty four.

00:58:39
Speaker 4: We have a thing called forty four which in reference to Hank Aaron and we play a game at the end of our seminars that we have and we played in Rickwood forty four Black Kids, twenty two on each team, prospects, prospects.

00:58:57
Speaker 1: We're jumping into the MLB space starting next season heavily. So if there's anything we could do to help get information out, help help be a part of anything you guys have gone in the growth of obviously just getting back in the game, please please let us know.

00:59:10
Speaker 4: I will will, I think I think we start with if you can start with with Bob Kendricks, that would.

00:59:15
Speaker 3: That would be huge.

00:59:16
Speaker 2: Coch that would be huge.

00:59:17
Speaker 4: And then you know, the players you've had on here have been been outstanding. I mean c C is legendary, those those of us.

00:59:30
Speaker 2: We got one coming and dropping you.

00:59:31
Speaker 1: To yeah really.

00:59:37
Speaker 3: Good luck he's coming and.

00:59:47
Speaker 5: Yeah coming, oh man, deal we got one coming from all right?

00:59:53
Speaker 1: Sure, what happened when he just kind of yeah, but he's coming back. He's almost our color now again.

00:59:59
Speaker 4: So even have the steroid guys not being in the Hall of Fame, I think they should be in there. I mean, what Barry Bones there was, he ain't in the Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame, all the fame. Yeah, the best player of that of all time. And it doesn't mean that those that are in there weren't doing.

01:00:16
Speaker 5: Nothing and that like everybody, just come on, everybody didn't do it, but majority of everybody.

01:00:23
Speaker 1: Second, guys didn't get actually caught.

01:00:26
Speaker 2: That's it, that's right.

01:00:27
Speaker 3: But also it was the last guy on the roster that shouldn't have made the big league team that also was juicing, you know what I mean, people that didn't even have an impact.

01:00:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

01:00:38
Speaker 1: It was so I don't want to say his name, but there was a lefty that played for the Orioles and all of a sudden, one season he had fifty two home runs and yeah, okay, buddy.

01:00:50
Speaker 4: Yeah that's think I think. So that's my opinion. Yeah, that's my opinion.

01:00:55
Speaker 2: Man. That's a wrap.

01:00:56
Speaker 3: Man.

01:00:56
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for your time. We finally got this continued success and and everything you guys do. We're huge fans. We're here for the support and man again, thank you guys for your Jerry Manuel Junior and Senior. You catch this on the draft keys never getting all this productions, all the smoke productions.

01:01:14
Speaker 3: You two.

01:01:15
Speaker 2: See you guys next week.

01:01:16
Speaker 5: M mm hmmm, mm hmmm