Becoming a Bawse with Kimberly Blackwell

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome to this episode of Keep It Positive, Sweetie. And today we are talking about being a boss, okay, and I have none other than the biggest boss lady herself, Kimberly Blackwell. Oh my goodness. First of all, Kimberly, thank you so much for come to sit on the council me today.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you called me and I was like, cis will you do my podcast? I'm like, are you kidding me? Like it was an honor to be asked. I'm extremely proud of you.

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Speaker 1: You know it. I say it all the time.

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Speaker 2: You give me all the time, and I'm just so excited for all that's happening. And you know, I like being a sideline spectator and watching your big life.

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Speaker 3: I'm just proud of you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thank you so much. I remember when I first met you, DeAndre trist and a brother of ours, ye shout out to you. What's up stylists just amazing. I met him on Good Morning America because he styles Robin Roberts when I was sould Tyler, and that's how we got cool. And then you you came in town and he's like, come have brunch with us and that's the first time we met, and we ran into each other a few times after that, and then Soul Train Awards around twenty twenty one, we ran each other. That's when we reconnected and the swap numbers.

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Speaker 2: But let me tell you something. What's interesting too, is that I'm really big on energy. So for me at lunch that day, I was kind of curious, Yeah, because we vibed. And I'm very selective in where and how I kind of you know, everybody will say, oh, Kim, you know everybody, and I do know a lot of people, but there aren't a lot of people that I will take the time to nurture something meaningful. And for me, when I saw you again, I was like, okay, and we were able to spend some time together.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have some great clients.

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Speaker 2: You were worthy of an opportunity, and so we did some business together. And from that I was just we went to eat, yeah, and we yacked and yacked and that.

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Speaker 1: I said, do you want me to I said, did you want to bring I know who you had in town? You're like, no, just me and you. Yeah. I was like, I get one. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You treat me like I'm talent.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm like, I am that person where I am very humble. I know from where my best blessings flow. And I, you know, stick and move very quietly and selectively, and a lot of folks you will see me show up places by myself. I don't need an entourage, lit a lot of great friends. But and I've also learned trick of the trade. What's that you get better things without a plus one, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Free game, free game.

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Speaker 2: You don't always need a plus one. And I will say that AM a lot of opportunities.

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Speaker 1: I've been very fortunate.

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Speaker 2: But I knew that evening when we had dinner, that it would manifest into something that I cherish now as a sisterhood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just appreciate you, like every time I call you. You just first of all, the energy, like you said, the energy is top tier everything you do. I mean, can y'all just look at the woman.

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Speaker 2: Like, no, first of all, don't even so they were keeping it real. I was like, so, what's the vibe tomorrow? She was like, gir I haven't even gotten that far, so you know, I didn't know what to wear. No, I'm coming to your beautiful home, right. But then you walked outside, and I was like, oh, that's what we're doing today, because you know, you got your own game.

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Speaker 1: You said the bar up you need.

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Speaker 2: So you know a fun fact and I told you so, I am a hyper private person. We'll talk about that, but I did. I said, I'm gonna give a little this my girl. I'm gonna give a little bit to her audience. But fun fact, I've always enjoyed expressing myself through style. And so a lot of folks their first job may have been McDonald's. Mine was retailed. So I was working at TJ Max. I was wearing in that you know, uh, the gap.

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Speaker 1: And so my.

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Speaker 2: Freshman year of college, we had a magazine called the Happenings my freshman year, who was the best dress?

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Speaker 1: You?

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Speaker 2: I already know it. So being therein been doing like what coming off from renaissance?

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Speaker 1: Clearly we're still on the renaissance. Yes we are. Oh my gosh, I knew like and I literally went, okay, what would Kim believe?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Kim came chielder day, Kim came chill with Kim still, Kim came shield today again. I just you know, I feel like a lot of times you show up in a way in which you express your energy. I knew here I wanted to be very authentic. I knew I wanted to be very comfortable. I'm actually a little bit afraid because I'm like, if she gets me in an opera, you know I needed to be prepared.

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Speaker 1: But I'm ready for you. Thank you, thank you so much. When I think about being a boss, the first song that comes to mind is Independent by Destiny's Child. Oh my women, Independent, So your hands.

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Speaker 2: Up at come on, soft flex, come on, because girl, I can't sing.

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Speaker 1: I was up screaming last night watching Beyonce. So my notes a little off right now. But no, I want to tell give them a little background of who you are, because a lot of people may not I mean even me, like still like it's still like a mystery about you. Always I was like, it's just something about and I love that you keep that mystique because that's what keeps people curious, and you can just fly into the radar, not people not knowing you. In the room was moving the room saying.

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Speaker 3: One of the top questions is now what does she do?

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Speaker 1: Literally?

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Speaker 2: I mean literally, there is a lot by way of how I spend my time as a business leader. You know, I own and operate a business. I sait as an LP as an investor, I'm a serial investor across various funds. I'm a corporate director and a publicly traded company. I wear a lot of hats and also in a lot of cases serve in a function of crises management and mitigation.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of the stuff that you all see that you don't see me.

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Speaker 1: We don't. I might be there. Yeah, recently the gathering spot that was a big public in the gathering spot is so huge in our community, and you were very vital.

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Speaker 3: You know why.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of lessons in that, and let's talk about that, because I think that for me, what happened was I was traveling, so I I didn't know how things had hit the public airwaves and I had come home from New York and a friend had sent a DM and it had some stuff around it, and I was like, you know, I knew both CEOs, but I didn't like what I was seeing by way of the media and as black business leaders, and these are scale businesses.

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Speaker 3: These are not mom and pops.

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Speaker 2: It really hurt me at my core that that was the narrative and that one. You know, we were at odds publicly and that too. You know, it was a merger and acquisition deal. I do a lot of things around M and A and there are complications to that, and so for me it was like you know, both CEOs. I called Ryan Wilson first, and you know, it was not to be involved. It was actually to check on T. K. Peterson to make sure that he was okay. And because of the friendship that we have, he shared some things. At the end, I am folks will tell you I'm a vault. I value you know, confidence in folks being able to share things privately. And I said, well, you know what, I actually think that this is something that could be resolved. I said, and if you're comfortable, because I didn't want to break confidence, I'd ask you to allow me to do what I do. And so he said, you know, if you think you know it's worth your.

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Speaker 1: Time, I'm open to it.

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Speaker 3: I call Ryan Glover. He called me right back.

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Speaker 2: And what I want to say about Ryan Glover is that his baby is like my baby, Haley.

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Speaker 1: She goes to Syracuse. I love her to death.

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Speaker 2: But he and I did not know one another will but you know, he felt comfortable. And you know, one of the things I would say to folks is that you know, I stand strongly on my reputation. Yes, and what I hope it is is that I'm not missy. To your point on privacy, I try to keep my name out of a lot of things. But as a business person, I'm shrew. But I'm also very compassionate as a leader. And he immediately gave that opportunity and we huddled up and for about nine or ten days. They were very long days, but very meaningful days, and there weren't a lot of people around.

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Speaker 1: T. K.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Wilson, Ryan Glover and myself. Wow, and we were able to resolve it. And the bigger messages, you know, Forbes had headlines million dollar miss and all these different things, is that a lot of things can be resolved through communication. And they wanted what was best for everyone, and I told them, guys, the gathering spot, as you mentioned, you know here in Atlanta, LA, you know across the country, it is powerful in what they've built by way of community, and so it meant that much to me. And always I tell folks, I like to use my superpowers for a greater good. If I could be a bridge to see that happen because there are a lot of people who look like us black folks. Sorry that I felt like could have stepped in to help this out sooner.

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Speaker 1: And we have to understand that.

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Speaker 2: When we are putting in positions of influence, it should be to impact always positive. Because I also believe that when God gives you superpowers, they should be used for a greater good. But he also sees if you have something you're not using it the right way and abusing it quickly as he gives to you, he would take it away. So again it worked out, and you know, just a lesson in how we owe it to our ancestors and we owe it to our next and future leaders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to get.

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Speaker 3: In the way.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love that you stepped and you put your Olivia Pup white hat on a little and fixed it. It's hand and it is handled. Okay, I love it. I love it. So. You were born in Cincinnati, Ohio, in a household with both parents, played basketball and volleyball growing up, and you talked about how your mother would call you and your siblings geniuses. Let's talk about the impact of receiving words of affirmation that actually built the confidence and strong sense of self worth and self belief at a very young age. Yeah, I know it's so important.

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Speaker 2: It is very important, and I feel very blessed and fortunate my parents. Last week's celebrated fifty five years of marriage. They met in the fourth grade, They went to prom together, they went to college together. You know, that doesn't mean that they have not probably had, you know, their own ebb and flow.

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Speaker 3: What I do tell people.

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Speaker 2: Is that if it was really bad, we never saw it right, We didn't know, you know. And so to that point, I've been very blessed and fortunate to witness everlasting love. They are one another's best friend. They travel the world together. My dad writes love letters. My mother calls him her boyfriend. And to your question, at a very early age, my mother was a school teacher.

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Speaker 3: She retired as the superintendent.

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Speaker 2: But we would come home from school and see kids in our dining room and I'm like, who these kids? But she was a hands on teacher who believe fundamentally in making deposits into others and so not knowing their circumstances at home, our home became their home, and so we were still at a very age the power of giving back, and I subscribed to the belief to whom much is given, much as required, and.

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Speaker 1: She does to this day.

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Speaker 2: She calls us genius, you know, and so those words of affirmation her being an educator. I started school at a very young age. I was started at three, I was advanced a grade girl. I pledged as a teenager. You know, can you tell what pledged facts? But that said, there was never a time that you know, we were not like where we didn't feel that we could be anything that we wanted to be. And we had the support of my father and my mother. My father lived, I mean, he we grew up watching him as mayor.

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Speaker 1: But what I.

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Speaker 2: Also saw was that he put his family first. So all of my games, as you mentioned, being an athlete, were on his schedule, so he would come no matter what he was doing, running the city, running the state. My father has always made time and we have never doubted God first his family right there as well.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's so good and it's so important because I know, like, especially the things that your mother was doing for those children. Yeah, a lot of them weren't getting that at home. Yeah, And education goes past the hours village. Yeah, it keeps going once you get to do the homework. That's what you really really get all the lessons you need.

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Speaker 2: And then it's like today, you don't know the kids are going home. You know they don't have food, don't you know they're going home and they're being raised because mom and her dad has to work two or three jobs, and you know, big bro is like holding it down.

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Speaker 3: And so I think we.

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Speaker 2: Have duty to make sure that we are looking out for those. I don't even want to say the least of these because sometimes it's not just the least of these.

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Speaker 1: We have duty to look out. Period. I love that. That's good. That a duty to look out period period. I love that. What did you learn about partnership, whether personal or professional by watching and witnessing your parents and being a part of sports teams? I know I was an athlete growing up. Dad has carried me through my just that discipline. There is something about like being in an organized sport or something organized in school that just carries like you push through. Like I got constructive criticism very early on. Yes I was able to take take it because our chileing coach, we were like the competition chillers. So yes, it was hard. I didn't She didn't care if your bone was sticking out. You keep going, keep going.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's like, you know, for me to have played sports competitively, I think as you mentioned life lessons, teamwork, camaraderie, role playing, Yeah, sacrife VI, commitment, discipline. You know, I am very big on We also had the house going back to my parents, that was like everybody came over to the Black Whales after school. So we had the basement. Everybody was in the basement, you know. And I just really think when I look at partnership, particularly in a household, I saw.

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Speaker 3: That marriage really isn't fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 1: Talk about it.

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Speaker 2: There are shifts a lot of times, and most times it may be seventy thirty, eighty twenty. But you know, do you have a partner that understands the shifts and do you have a partner that can celebrate you at all times? See, my mother knew that my father's profile was his profile, But my father knew that he had a baddy too, and he could celebrate her and lift her and know that when it was her season. And so you really want to look at where and how you find a partner or a mate that is secure, because you know, when you're blessed and fortunate, it could be challenging, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: You know it is.

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Speaker 2: And I am of the belief that I am very humble. I promise you I am. You are, you know, because for me, it's just that is who I am at my core, right, And so it's always funny.

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Speaker 3: People are like, you're so personable, I would not be right.

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Speaker 2: So that's how I was raised. But what I would say to you too is that it takes a.

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Speaker 3: Special guy to understand my world.

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Speaker 2: And not my Instagram world, my real life. Hey, because I am to your early point, I'm gonna give you what I want to give you on social platform. That's what I choose to give you. But the privacy as currency, the anonymity, there's power in that.

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Speaker 3: I like that people don't know.

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Speaker 1: What I do. I know that's right.

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Speaker 3: Those who need to know no.

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Speaker 2: And so what I will also tell you too is that when you're dating and looking for that maid or partner, what I also have learned is that.

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Speaker 3: It takes a secure man to deal with me.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about secure and what I'm not willing to do is to dial back my blessings to accommodate any insecurities because they don't go away. And so you know when you think you are making all of these like you know they're there now.

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Speaker 3: They may have like little spikes here and there. But what I try.

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Speaker 1: To, you know, say not just for me?

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Speaker 3: And again they're you in that space. You know, it's.

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Speaker 2: That we really want the things that don't cost, the thing.

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Speaker 1: That money cannot buy. That is so true.

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Speaker 3: Can I get a listening there?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just saying and so, and I don't you know, for me, I date and I have very good men around me, so you know, in case any of them watching them because you know you've got a million followers. But where I am right now, and going back to what you asked and what I've witnessed, yeah, I know what it takes to be sustainable.

00:20:07
Speaker 1: Mm.

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Speaker 2: Because you're gonna have a great partner yea. And it can be a great season of dating. But when you hit a bump, what's up?

00:20:17
Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: What you're doing? And for for.

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Speaker 2: What I know, in where women are today, young women who are very aspirational.

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Speaker 3: You can have both. I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it, but it does take a special kind of mate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I went through years of my life where I was like, well, maybe love is just not in the cars for me. Maybe that's the second of the things. Yeah. No, I mean I'm experiencing now, be like if I was like for a while, I was like maybe I'm like I used to jog like I'm gonna be like, oh for just give me a statement like I'm gonna be good, you know. And and I don't even know the particulars of their relationship, but you know what, we.

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Speaker 2: Know what works for them. It works, you know what I mean? And so whatever works for whomever you.

00:21:07
Speaker 1: Know, you like it. I love it period, exactly. Know over we love it.

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Speaker 3: Over, we love it, and we love to see it Haystap.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, seriously. And I was like, God, maybe a part of me And I don't know if you ever had this feeling or a season in your life where you're like, God, like, if you have everything in the world, everything is like I don't have anybody to share it with. I had seasons like that where I was like dang. Then I was like, well, maybe that's not in the cards for me. Maybe that's the sacrifice of having at all or not else.

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Speaker 2: I honestly believe you could have it all. I seen, I've seen. You know, my parents have it all, you know what I mean. So, but I do believe that my parents also met remember fourth grade, and so for them, they grew together. Yes, And so when you have folks who are at different faces and or stages, you know, for me, like you know, everybody's like, man, you're gonna have to day white. You're gonna have to he gonna have to know. And m I just firmly believe that what God has for me, it is for me, and he will be mine and only mine.

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Speaker 1: I know that's right to speak it.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: That's so good man, It's definitely.

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Speaker 2: But but I like how you just said, because see I didn't know if we were like you know.

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Speaker 3: I like how you said, you know I found it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and it's still early. You know what I'm saying. We're getting to know each other. We hit those you hit a bumby like what yeah, you know, like we hear those and it's you like you have to stand back and communicate, you know what I'm saying, learn each other and just realize.

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Speaker 2: But you know what's funny, Like I've seen you on dating cycles, you have, you have, you know, and this is different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is different. Yeah, and take your time. I am you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of times we want to rush thing.

00:23:13
Speaker 2: You know, I'm probably more patient than most.

00:23:20
Speaker 3: But it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. I believe it for both of us.

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Speaker 2: I've already claimed my victory. I know this, But you know what, in fairness, there are some things that I.

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Speaker 3: Have to work on.

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Speaker 1: I've learned that even in this relationship, there are things I.

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Speaker 3: Have to work on. Yeah, and that's okay, that's.

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Speaker 1: Wrong, it is. Yeah, well I love it speaking of things you have to work on mental For me, therapy has helped me realize because I was kind of oblivious to things that I needed to work on until I started doing therapy. Things to my manager Donor who introduced you to my therapist, doctor DeLanda Zimmerman and that episode, Oh you did.

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Speaker 3: I support my friends?

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Speaker 1: Okay no, but like I list, I was like, oh my gosh, like Chrystal, you ain't you know what I'm saying? Like, cause we I can. I can say this. Sometimes I look and like I got it all together, and then you meet somebody you're like, wait a minute, You're putting two different lives together and you're like, oh, I still got things I need to work. God, you know. So that's I love that you can do that self inventory yeah and be like, there's still Kimberly needs work.

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Speaker 3: Extremely self aware.

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Speaker 2: Now, my friend might say differently. At times, I'm extremely self aware and I know my areas of opportunity, and for me, it's just the consistent behavioral changes.

00:24:50
Speaker 1: That I sometimes need to be Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, there.

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Speaker 2: You gotta you know you're you're thinking for two Yeah, absolutely know. And I am extremely considerate. And what most people will say is that I have a giving heart, almost to the point where I'm too giving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm now you're on my street street Yeah, give, give, give and be like And I had to have a conversation with TALR about this about and I can shows with you because you probably feel the same way. Have you ever found yourself like you give, give, give, and you feel like you're not getting it back, and you're like, hey, you start to kind of get frustrated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's shift gears out of uh dating relationships and go to friendships. Yeah, I have gone through some things where when.

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Speaker 3: I tell you I am a.

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Speaker 1: Girls girl, you are what you.

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Speaker 3: Are and I will give beyond measure.

00:25:54
Speaker 2: But what I realized too, and this is not anything against you know, any particular friend. It's just that I realized that I needed to stop expecting me from other people because the things in which and how I would operate as a friend may not be the way they would operate.

00:26:16
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean they're a bad person.

00:26:18
Speaker 2: It just means that I needed to manage and shift my expectations.

00:26:22
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, that's what Tyler told me. He was like, take money out of it, take what you do out of it. And Denore said the same thing a lot of times, with whoever you're sowing into may not sow back into you. And Tyler's made a great comment. He said, you know, Chrystal, he said, I used to look around me like I'm doing all this for these people and like I'm not getting anything in return. And God told them how they can't do it to the level you do it. They'll never be able to do what you do for them. And he said, you just got to look at their heart, how you feel when you're around them and do you feel loved? So truth?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, that is so true, and I realized that, like, you know, different friends have different gifts yep, you know. And for me, I love a good time. I love to laugh, you know, So I pay attention to energy. I make the shifts as needed. Who am I laughing with the most? And when I'm having a hard time, who's recognizing my hard time? And are they sometimes giving me a hard time in my hard time?

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Speaker 3: Kimberly, Yeah, that part.

00:27:32
Speaker 2: So you know where and how I look at my peace now, how I'm giving the heisman in separation is intentional, but it's not to be received in anything of malice. It's just where I am and how I'm looking at things and what I need for me.

00:27:58
Speaker 1: I love it. That's so good. That's such a good point. But let's I want to double back to like dating you and I both, I'm I'm a very hyper masculine or not hypermasculine.

00:28:08
Speaker 3: Let me go back, No, you hardly hyper masculine.

00:28:12
Speaker 1: No?

00:28:16
Speaker 2: Well no, okay, so keep on. You're gonna say it the way you want to say it.

00:28:20
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm hyper independent. I'm not hyper independent, but because of my independence. It does create this like you I'm saying, like like you kind of got it, like I'm you know what I'm saying, is this facade that comes up with this persona where you're like I'm, I'm and does that interfere with like, well, you know what?

00:28:40
Speaker 2: So here's what I'll say. I realized that I own and operate a business. I realized that I sit in borerooms and I go in and I am asked to lead by governance and solving. I know that that requires a position to sometimes be stern and direct. But I realized too that that's what I do. That's not always who I need to show up and who I am.

00:29:11
Speaker 3: Especially in a relationship.

00:29:14
Speaker 2: Men need to feel needed. They do that, you know, And so you know, what is it and how is it? In my soft girl era right that I show up as a woman and understanding.

00:29:27
Speaker 3: I subscribe to the word. I know what it means to be submissive.

00:29:31
Speaker 2: I have no pride, I tell hey, I have no pride with you, baby, No none. So I can allow myself to be vulnerable in a relationship that I find is worthy and meaningful.

00:29:46
Speaker 1: For me to show up that way.

00:29:48
Speaker 2: When you start breaking down Like I used to date this guy and he used to say cool cool ask him, you know, because that was the energy that I gave him initially, but he broke me. Now, okay, So but you want, you know, I want a man to be a man.

00:30:12
Speaker 3: I'm not a man.

00:30:15
Speaker 2: And in all that I have to do as a leader, as a manager, as a provider, sometimes I just want to hook what. Sometimes I want you to say, you know what, pack your bag, let's go what you know? So you want someone to recognize what you may need, but you also have to be deliberate and intentional about what they may need. And I tend to over index in that because I.

00:30:50
Speaker 3: Realize God is so good to me.

00:30:54
Speaker 2: I'm talking about so good, and I know that there may be some disparities in the things that actually don't mean a lot to me. But I recognize that and how men and or whomever may need to process that with their partner, because I don't want anyone to feel inadequate.

00:31:21
Speaker 3: No, you know, But what I do want you to figure out is what are you giving me that no one else is?

00:31:28
Speaker 1: Yes? Ooh that's good, you know?

00:31:31
Speaker 3: And why and where is it in?

00:31:33
Speaker 2: Why is it that I run to you when I'm having a bad day, that I run to you because I can depend on you to bring a smile to my face or an inside joke.

00:31:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that, you know. Yeah, that's so true. That so good. We often talk about faith. You don't hide your faith none at all. And I love that we're going to church together. Yes we had, Yes, yes we have.

00:32:02
Speaker 2: I mean again, I'm unapologetic in my faith because when God has been as good as he is and.

00:32:13
Speaker 3: Will be for me, I will not hide it.

00:32:18
Speaker 2: I also know that in my darkest hours in time, it's been me and Him.

00:32:30
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it.

00:32:32
Speaker 3: And so to.

00:32:35
Speaker 2: Know what He has done I'm talking about you know, folks, these kids, you know, they go on Instagram and they see X y Z. They want the instant and immediate gratification. You know, I drove a Honda with a hangar that held my bumper up. What six hundred square foot apartment is where I started my business.

00:33:00
Speaker 3: Gilded multimillion dollar enterprize.

00:33:03
Speaker 2: I write seven figure checks to go into investments.

00:33:08
Speaker 3: But for the.

00:33:11
Speaker 2: Grace and mercy of God. Wow, And so for me I am. I know from where my blessings flow. And if you have a problem with me talking about how good he is, then we probably not gonna talk a lot. Hello, because we talk all the time because we can say and it's not a brag or boast, it's a praise.

00:33:31
Speaker 1: It is a praise.

00:33:31
Speaker 2: Oh you know, because like I said, you know, for some folks, favorite ain't fair, and it ain't.

00:33:38
Speaker 1: That's touching it because it ain't God an't good. Favorite is not fair. I definitely wantn't touch on that because I know.

00:33:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you did, because that's a huge part. You know, if you come to my page. You know, folks come to my page they want to see, oh you know, she got the pieces right, and sometimes I do. But but that's not why I want you to come to my page.

00:34:02
Speaker 3: I promise you.

00:34:03
Speaker 2: I don't have I figured out that that may be what lures people to my page.

00:34:08
Speaker 1: Yeah I know that.

00:34:09
Speaker 3: So I give a piece or two.

00:34:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well, I really.

00:34:12
Speaker 3: Want you on my page is for that social Sunday sermon.

00:34:16
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you're gonna give it to it.

00:34:17
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it, and I'm gonna give it along with the word because if I can have and touch one person on Sunday, who may be struggling, who may need a word, who may not know him, but can see what He has done for me, Because if he can do it for me, he can.

00:34:38
Speaker 1: Do it for you. Oh my goodness, what I tell everybody around me? If you see what God is doing for me, what makes you think he won't do it for you? Yeah? You know. Sometly times you got people around you where they may be jealous or envious or not even understanding, like why you and not even thinking I'm mixed? You know what I'm saying, Like you have to look around me, like, how do you see again, I'm flipping it. Let's do it. Yeah, let's talk.

00:35:01
Speaker 3: And I'm mad at myself that I waited too long.

00:35:03
Speaker 1: To flip it.

00:35:04
Speaker 2: How do you deal with the fact that you are in a season to where God continues to show you things unimaginable. You have folks in your circle who may not be excelling at the same pace.

00:35:26
Speaker 1: How do you deal with.

00:35:30
Speaker 3: Friends who really want to be good friends but you see.

00:35:36
Speaker 1: Because you know, we do see, we see it.

00:35:40
Speaker 3: How you deal with it?

00:35:41
Speaker 2: Well?

00:35:42
Speaker 1: Actually I just talked about this. I'm going through a purging season where God has revealed a lot of things in my life. Yeah, And I think oftentimes people like us who are givers and we also see the good at everybody, even when they're not so good. We see that a little bit of good, like, no, they a good person, and you just love them and you just want them to see the good in themselves and change. And I literally had to just start setting boundaries and like, you know, yes, this is no longer serving me, and sometimes people don't. They're in their own way, you know, they see that you're going, you're climbing and climbing, and they're still in the same space. And it's been like that with not just friends, family relationships. I've had to like just really take even to everything around me to see who's really here for me. And then you start looking at the people that are entitled, you know what I'm saying, to what you have and the people who have shown jealousy envy, and envy is a really dangerous thing when it comes to friends. It's really dangerous with anybody, anybody in your circle.

00:36:41
Speaker 3: It's very very dangerous.

00:36:43
Speaker 2: And it's let me say this, it's dangerous. But you know what else, it's disappointing. So it's heartbreaking, it hurts it does. I mean it hurts badly.

00:36:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's lonely. It's like once you have to, once you make that steps to be like hey, I can't do this anymore. You go through a phase it's a breakup, you know, and it hurts so bad. It's like God, like why couldn't this person just see it or just be happy? And like because you're here, you know what I'm saying. We all rocking together, we have good time together. But they in the corner like.

00:37:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I said, you know, for me, like you know, I tried and this is what I've learned, and I would challenge you this. Okay, it doesn't have to be a breakup. It does not have to be a breakup. The reveal is just that a reveal, and what you can do is maintain the friendship.

00:37:36
Speaker 3: But it will be different, yeah, you know.

00:37:38
Speaker 1: And then you have to have a conversation with that person, like how do you just moving?

00:37:42
Speaker 3: So you know what, you should have the conversation.

00:37:45
Speaker 2: But I have had it where I have not say, you know, but I actually think you should have the conversation and a real friendship. You should be able to have the conversation.

00:37:59
Speaker 1: Well if you had the conversation a few times.

00:38:02
Speaker 3: Man, you're coming into my Bible study.

00:38:03
Speaker 2: Reverend Cordelia Wallace. Reverend Cordelia Wallace, New York. We do Bible study on every Saturday, and she has a great group of women. Shout out to Simone Smith who put me in the Bible study.

00:38:17
Speaker 1: But what I will tell you is that.

00:38:18
Speaker 2: We talk about that and leadership lessons and learnings, but also in friendships and how they evolve. After a certain number of times, then you have to really maybe counted as this isn't you've tried. Yeah, you know, and you know you just you move differently, Yeah, you move.

00:38:41
Speaker 3: Differently, you do.

00:38:42
Speaker 1: And this is a person I have one situation in particularly where like just love her to death, you know. And it's more so like you just need to like work on yourself and figure out what that is, whether where that unhappiness is stealing from, figure out the trauma is real, its real trauma is real.

00:38:56
Speaker 3: And sometimes we don't know what other have been through this.

00:39:02
Speaker 2: And you could be friends with someone for however many years and you just don't know where and what they're navigating. Still still, you know, I pay attention to you know, a candle loses none of its light by lighting another you know who? And how are people clapping when you get those awards and recognitions?

00:39:25
Speaker 1: David John Gray talked about that he did a whole sermon. He was like, God, watch this. How you clap? Season? I said, Wow?

00:39:31
Speaker 3: And what I try to do is I always try to clap.

00:39:35
Speaker 2: I am the person too where I will bring people's names, Yes, you will into the room. I am always looking at and I do think that that is one of my superpowers because you know, I firmly believe that your network can determine your net worth.

00:39:56
Speaker 1: I'm moving a lot of circles.

00:39:57
Speaker 2: I always challenge people. It is very easy to stay in circles that look like us. Get up and get out. You don't want to go to that lunch or that outing. Go You never know who is in the room. I sit at tables and the men deals with a lot of men, men period, and men that don't look.

00:40:24
Speaker 1: Like you know.

00:40:24
Speaker 2: What's interesting. Some of my biggest advocates are men and men that sometimes do not look like us. Some of my biggest distractors are women that look like us.

00:40:43
Speaker 4: Keep it positive, sweetie, I said, that's the truth, though, you know, but what I realize is that even when I know that I stay true to who I.

00:40:57
Speaker 1: Am, you keep it positive, sweetie.

00:40:58
Speaker 2: What and when you do that, you you get passed into the other side. And what I've learned, and this is a lesson that my mother's taught me, you always take the high road. I'm gonna say that again because a lot of times we in these situations. You always take the high road. It will never fail you. And when you take it, it hasn't failed me. And so even when I know, and when we said that earlier, stop expecting.

00:41:39
Speaker 3: Me from I take the high road.

00:41:42
Speaker 5: Wow, when they go low. And my dear friend Candy when they go low, she's.

00:41:52
Speaker 2: A lower I know, but she's a great person. So I say that she knows I love her. But what I will say to you is that for me, I would rather because everybody had the three sides, every story, and they gonna tell their story.

00:42:10
Speaker 3: I'm not the person who runs and feels the need to tell my side. I'm moving side.

00:42:16
Speaker 1: Yeah you do.

00:42:18
Speaker 2: I know what I know what road, I know what I did, I know how I did it.

00:42:24
Speaker 3: I know circumstances and what and.

00:42:27
Speaker 2: How I tried to always stay as a catalyst, tell your story.

00:42:32
Speaker 1: Yeah it's cool.

00:42:35
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, And I also think too people also you can tell you know the story, but people are paying attention to how you're telling the story, and they also paying attention to how the other person isn't because again you you know.

00:42:59
Speaker 3: You know how to do it.

00:43:01
Speaker 1: That's so good. I love it. What would Jesus do? Keep it moving? Let him talk? I love it so Kim. You are man. Your resume is crazy. You've worked with a lot of Fortune one hundred companies such as Nationwide Chase. Uber actually got to do it activation with Nationwide on my side, Amen, I'll think it for you Nationwide, it is on yours.

00:43:30
Speaker 2: Come on, jingle, come on out.

00:43:34
Speaker 3: Work to make sure they see that.

00:43:40
Speaker 1: Next NeXT's responsive?

00:43:41
Speaker 2: Nation you know, because that's how apfle what what?

00:43:50
Speaker 1: That's why I love it. I love it. I love it. I want to talk about your experience because oftentimes I'm sure you're the only black person or black woman in those rooms. What it is? Is it like gaining respect from your non millenated companies, because I know you probably like anybody yourself.

00:44:07
Speaker 2: You know, what I like to say is that you know I have great partners. I mean great partners. You name some of them, Nationwide, Uber, Amazon, Chase, I mean food Lie. Most of my clients have been tenured clients. I've been doing business with Nationwide.

00:44:25
Speaker 3: For fourteen years.

00:44:27
Speaker 2: I've been doing business with food Line for over When I partner with a corporation, it's not to be here today going tomorrow. What I love about them is that they actually allow me to go in from an agency of record side as a brand partner, but to learn the entire business. I consider myself a business leader. I'm a owner operator, so I understand the sales, marketing, the intersectionality, what it looks like in growth channels.

00:44:55
Speaker 1: I won't do all that, but all of that say.

00:45:01
Speaker 2: What they also understand is that I know consumers. I know what it looks like in the sense of, you know, business transformation. I work with companies that are low market shared that now over index because they go into the African American community, they realize our purchasing power, They.

00:45:20
Speaker 3: Go on into LATINX communities, they look at women, they look at millennials, so.

00:45:25
Speaker 2: And they let us do it in a way that maybe a little bit non traditional. I was talking to an officer at Nationwide literally yesterday and she said, Kim, what you did for us at Black Enterprise. You brought and I took, I took Yandy Smith, I took meanly, I took Rashida and we talked about I mean, these are three women scale businesses, multimillionaires, different channels of business. But that was a different story for a financial service provider. Yeah, but if we don't understand who our consumers are as it relates to protecting what matters most, then we're doing a disservice. And so they can tell their stories in a way that leads to understanding what financial freedoms look like, what generational wealth looks like. So what I love and what I get to do is that, you know, I get to bring a little bit of culture to commerce, to capital, you know, to consumers and where and how companies of corporations, global corporations think differently. And you know, I go in and do a little corporate thug and is a lifestyle, you know, yes, life, I love it. And you know what I say too is important because what I love about what I get to do is.

00:46:56
Speaker 3: You know, boardroom, pool hall.

00:47:00
Speaker 2: I tell folks my name is good on any boulevard and when you understand the power of knowing who you are, who you are and how you work with others and understanding the full diaspora of a community.

00:47:20
Speaker 3: It just really becomes game changing.

00:47:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine.

00:47:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so good.

00:47:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let me say this too, because you asked the question, people want people on their team to win. Yes, you mentioned sports. I'm built to win. You are win playing small. We all went by two, We went by twenty.

00:47:41
Speaker 1: What period literally and we.

00:47:48
Speaker 2: Know sports sports and I'm going to a Reds game.

00:47:54
Speaker 1: Fun fact.

00:47:56
Speaker 2: You know, we've been owners in the Reds since two thousand and six. So you know where I get this whole business investor in seeing that, you know, and what that looks like for folks who look like us to be in Major League Baseball. I want an NBA team, y'all hear that it's coming. I want an NBA team.

00:48:17
Speaker 3: But you know, for me, sports is a part of my outlet, you know, it is.

00:48:24
Speaker 1: We go to the game.

00:48:25
Speaker 2: You know, we have fun and the games aren't experienced they are, you know, and they're shout out Melissa Procter cemo at the Hawks. There's nothing will everybody, Jamie and we love you all. There is nothing like in Atlanta.

00:48:43
Speaker 1: It is nothing like I tell people you're gonna get.

00:48:46
Speaker 2: A swag and a surf. Okay, you're gonna get a little bit of performance. Two chains might be performing. You know Atlanta's finance.

00:48:54
Speaker 1: Listen, it's just the greatest. Food is good, great, we got a good team building. Yeah.

00:49:00
Speaker 3: I've been a season ticket holder now for over ten years.

00:49:03
Speaker 1: Because you Now, I've been going on my second year because of you.

00:49:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, I was so proud of you, because those tickets ain't cheap. I was like, baby, girl is doing it what I'm coming to the floor. I'm coming. I said, move out the way. But I will say this to you too. You never know just what that means, because you would be surprised at how many people come up to me and say it means something to see you, as a black business woman go sit feet on the.

00:49:47
Speaker 3: Wood court side knowing you know that.

00:49:53
Speaker 2: I and I thought about it, like dang, I never thought, you know, I'm just strolling out to my seat. I never thought of But for me, it changed how I looked at a lot of things because folks see what they can be yes, and how they too.

00:50:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did that for me, you did now. I was in the Actually I was in the Atlanta Hawk suitet last night in the beginning of the concert, and one of the guys who helps like keep the score for the team, he sits right in front of me. He's always like a gesture like hello, yeah, And I never knew his name. He was like, oh, he's like he told me, he's like, this is my wife. This is Crystal. He said. You probably don't think I know, but I've watched your shows on BT, like she has two shows on BT. I was like, wow, yeah, and he was like no, she sits right behind me, and it's just like you never know he's gonna sit next to you. Literally, one game, I was sitting next to one of the owners of the Sacramento Kings. Yes, his wife loved my boots. And then I found out who he was and I was like, oh, well, my castmates is from there.

00:50:51
Speaker 3: You better spit more free game. What I will tell you is that those seats have led to very lucrative business opportunities.

00:51:01
Speaker 1: I can imagine. Yeah, that is crazy, Like the people I've met just going to.

00:51:06
Speaker 3: Gain proximity, Yeah, is a real thing.

00:51:09
Speaker 1: To that, I say, thank you because you exposed me to something you know that I didn't even I see people down there, but I knew and we did. We were going to the game.

00:51:17
Speaker 3: You were like, you did it for yourself, and I'm extremely proud.

00:51:27
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

00:51:28
Speaker 3: Can I say something else too? I just thought about this.

00:51:30
Speaker 2: So for your fortieth birthday party last year, you invited me and I was like, I wasn't miss it for the world.

00:51:37
Speaker 1: Thank you, so think about it.

00:51:40
Speaker 2: We hadn't known one another that long. Now we have fast tracked of friendship. Yes, And I say this because you don't have to be friends with someone for fifteen years to click and then know that that will be a special person in your life for years to come.

00:51:58
Speaker 1: Right.

00:52:00
Speaker 3: And I arrived by myself and guess what table? I was at table number one.

00:52:11
Speaker 2: And for me, while I was there to celebrate you, I could have been at table two hundred and one.

00:52:18
Speaker 1: I was there to celebrate.

00:52:19
Speaker 2: You, but seeing and sitting with your parents, seeing how you curated that table with those who minister to you by way of faith. Yes, not to mention, of course she had Tyler Perry at table one. You know it really meant something to me in a way of what and how God has blessed me with you. Wow, seriously, because I was thinking to myself, like she doesn't.

00:52:54
Speaker 3: Have me anywhere in the room.

00:52:55
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people in Atlanta, but I took that as the highest form of compliment. Thank you, because that's what that's that's what it meant for me. I want her at my table.

00:53:07
Speaker 3: You just I don't even know if I've ever expressed that to you.

00:53:10
Speaker 2: You just did not know to how you seeming it yourself and a special You know, there's nothing you couldn't ask me for that I wouldn't do.

00:53:21
Speaker 3: Now that was before the party.

00:53:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you came back and like you made time to come back.

00:53:28
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something going back, whether it's dating or anything else, people like O Kim, you know I didn't want to ask you. You're so busy I am. I'm always busy and gonna be busy. I need to be busy. It beats the alternative hello. But you're never too busy. Word, You're never too busy for the things that matter. And you create the time, you make the shifts you inconvenience yourself in a way that it does not feel like an inconvenience because it's an act of love and I have no I will make I show up for people. And that's what I That's another thing if I had to look at what people what I hope people see is that she shows up.

00:54:15
Speaker 1: Oh, you show up? You do. I've seen you do it for other people too. I try, I try, and I'm like, how does she even have the time to meet?

00:54:23
Speaker 3: But that remember, that's an example of my parents.

00:54:27
Speaker 1: Yes. Wow, it goes back to I love that code switching is so real. Yeah, and you said yeah, but what people admire most about you is how unapologetic you are. You dress, you walk, you speak, you show up at yourself in every single room. I want to know, other than the words of affirmation that she received at home, how did you just gain this whole? Just like the way you even walk into the arena, It's like, who did like you? Do you have this confidence? And what what made you? Like? I don't have to switch it up because you know, I've been been through that. I work on Capitol Hill and I be talking, hey, what's up man, and then get a good morning to help you like you know what?

00:55:14
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a part of my superpower.

00:55:17
Speaker 2: I think that when people connect with you in your purest form of authenticity, I don't have to switch up.

00:55:28
Speaker 1: You know, I know I'm.

00:55:30
Speaker 2: Well educated, I'm dual degree, I've you know, gone to Harvard.

00:55:34
Speaker 3: You know what are you kidding me? Cornell? You know you name it?

00:55:40
Speaker 1: That was.

00:55:41
Speaker 2: Let me just say shout out to the Nora her homework, because as a producer, she had just about everything.

00:55:48
Speaker 3: That might be one little small thing that she missed.

00:55:51
Speaker 2: But I will tell you when I saw where and how we were navigating this discussion, one of the most well.

00:55:59
Speaker 3: Prepared that I have.

00:56:01
Speaker 1: And I knew a lot by way of media a lot.

00:56:06
Speaker 2: So again, but going back to that, and that's that's always just knowing too. You know, when you talk about making those deposits, you always want to make sure that you are continuing to level up.

00:56:18
Speaker 3: I never rest on any Laurels.

00:56:20
Speaker 2: And I say that even by way of my clients, the clients that I've mentioned that I've been with.

00:56:24
Speaker 3: For over a decade.

00:56:26
Speaker 2: I never rest on any somebody always chasing I'm looking, you ain't catching me. And so with that too, I think people do business with people they like. And I also believe in how you show up is with receipts and proof of performance. When you put the points on the board, you know, they don't have to be your bestie. Remember they want to win.

00:56:57
Speaker 3: And the other thing is is that I advise.

00:57:02
Speaker 2: Many C suite leaders and beyond corporate America, many high profile people. They need to feel connected to you. They need to know you are a person of integrity. They need to understand your character. And my character is that, you know, I'm comfortable in my skin. I'm comfortable, you know, one day being in the White House, another day being hanging with you know, my friend Pierre Thomas Akap from QC. You know, I mean I can. I can go and switch, but it's not colde sweeling.

00:57:40
Speaker 3: You know. I may switch exactly, the environment may.

00:57:44
Speaker 2: Change, but I go in consistently. I will tell you, you know, when I'm spending time with people who don't look like me, what I think they like about me is that I show up one hundred percent.

00:57:59
Speaker 3: That's who I am. I love that and we have fun.

00:58:03
Speaker 2: I love immersing myself with smart people, and smart comes. Brilliance comes in many forms, and you don't have to be degreed I am, but you don't have to be for me to learn from you, and I can immerse myself on the boulevard and learn. That's what I want. That's why I spend so much time with young people. You know, you know, you know Rachel Jackson. Yes, so if I'm looking at Rachie, you know, there's a reason people are.

00:58:36
Speaker 3: Like you always guess what it's mutual. She's teaching me things, you know.

00:58:44
Speaker 2: I literally, you know, yesterday got a text from Desie Banks. I love what Desie has done and how he has built a mobile enterprise around content.

00:58:59
Speaker 3: Yes, so what people think.

00:59:02
Speaker 2: They're calling me for because here's my thing. Secure people help other people secure the back.

00:59:12
Speaker 3: So for me, one thing.

00:59:15
Speaker 2: I'm good at, right, But what they don't realize is that they are also teaching me.

00:59:24
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, I love that you spoke on how you work in a performance based industry where they want it's all about the point you board they want to win. Does that create any stress or self doubt or anxiety for you? And if so, like, how do you navigate stress and anxiety?

00:59:41
Speaker 2: And yeah, so here's what I said, going back to how we started our route. And you know I'm a performance athlete, you know, I'm a corporate athlete, you know, So I actually like a little pressure, you know, I do.

00:59:57
Speaker 1: You know, I want you to think.

00:59:59
Speaker 2: That I might not win, uh huh uh huh, because I'm winning, you know. And so for me, just that whole drive. I tell folks, and I heard you tell Donor that she works, you know, as hard as you know. Beyonce does no disrespect Donor, But I think that there are not a lot of people who outwork me.

01:00:23
Speaker 1: I work. And that's what I also like.

01:00:26
Speaker 2: For people to understand, is like, you know what, they can see all that stuff, but you know what, the folks that I work with and partner with as corporate leaders, they will tell you she works.

01:00:37
Speaker 3: So all that little fluff you all see, she works.

01:00:40
Speaker 1: They know.

01:00:41
Speaker 2: I am, you know, mitigating crises at one in the morning, two in the morning, I am doing all sorts of board dexon you know.

01:00:49
Speaker 3: I lead esg on the board that I'm on, you know.

01:00:52
Speaker 2: So for me, I embrace leadership opportunities because I play the win.

01:00:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I love that you carry yourself with a lot of confidence, dignity and a strong sense of self and you have this undeniable don't try me energy about you don't sweet as pie, but don't try please, don't try her. I want to talk about the challenges of being a woman in the business. And if you were a man of all, this would be celebrated, you know what I'm saying. But being a powerful woman like you are alten, it's called challenging. We're called challenging, difficult, and a bit for lack of better words. Have you dealt with any of that? Yeah?

01:01:30
Speaker 3: I mean you know.

01:01:33
Speaker 2: You you show up and you show up confident now remember confident yet humble?

01:01:38
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes right, but confident yes?

01:01:42
Speaker 2: Prepared, over prepared, Oh, you have to be over prepared, collaborative. There are techniques that I use because I'm five to ten. Yeah, I show up and this already the presence. There are certain things I can't control, you know, and so I try to present myself with humility. But I am going to you know, talking to a board member and she's like, Kim, what I love is that you're very direct. And I actually asked, like, you know, directing the way that's off putting. She said, absolutely not, because I'm also coachable, and I think that's what we also have to be, is coachable and realizing that I never want it to be that I don't feel like I'm growing and so you know, I don't know Tyler Perry, but like for me, like I want to talk with a Tyler Perry so I can pick his brain and actually make some deposits. Like I love to be around people who are constantly in elevation mode.

01:02:55
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

01:02:56
Speaker 2: So, whether it's Oprah, whether it's Melody Hobson, you know, whether it's the thunder Ducket, you know, whether it's ros Brewer.

01:03:04
Speaker 3: You know.

01:03:04
Speaker 2: I want the people that I see look to and admire because they've navigated things that I aspire to.

01:03:16
Speaker 1: Noting yes, love, that's so good love, Yes, livesten to Sounder, Yes, oh my gosherful women. Wow you always. You also talked about how your privacy is currency, yes, and which is good like I love.

01:03:33
Speaker 2: Actually though, let me say, my privacy is currency and I am hyper private.

01:03:37
Speaker 3: But you got me a little bit today. You did what you said, she got me.

01:03:43
Speaker 2: I don't talk about my private life, but I do think that there are gems and nuggets.

01:03:52
Speaker 3: In a macro share that we should.

01:03:56
Speaker 2: We have to do better as women. We have to do better as black women and sharing more of the lessons learnings, and some of that, you know, is inclusive of the warts.

01:04:11
Speaker 3: You know. I'm always like, man.

01:04:15
Speaker 2: Somebody needs to tell us all the stuff that nobody said it was cool to tell. And so, you know, as I look at, you know, ways in which I'm trying to navigate content, I want more stories too that actually focus more on the warts, because I've had some, you know, warts, and that's professionally and personally. And I think we have to get comfortable with understanding that. You know, people relate more when you know they see the human side of you, you know, because you know, because everybody sees this side of all the you know, yeah, you know, and I tell folks, you know, you see the glam, you know, but you don't really see the guts. And so you know, a lot of times folks don't see that I'm in my office in Ohio and I'm in there, you know, fourteen sixteen hours a day, if not longer, you know, and I'm there on the weekends, you know, and all of the sacrifice and you know what comes with being an owner operator, you know, all the stuff folks don't necessarily talk about. But you know, I think as we get more comfortable in who we are, we almost owe it to others to kind of take off the mask.

01:05:36
Speaker 1: Yep.

01:05:37
Speaker 3: I started a women's conference in Summit, and.

01:05:42
Speaker 2: It's really geared towards c suite corporate leaders who don't really get an opportunity to kind of just be. And it's called Accelerate Her. And it's a community that we've built not just for the Summit, but how do we as women and women of color and black women use our superpowers collectively? And a lot of times you have all these summits. You have the summits that the corporate leaders go to, you have the summons for the culture. No, what I did, honestly was I just went through my phone and I was like, do what I'm calling all the baddies in business and beyond.

01:06:20
Speaker 3: I got high performers.

01:06:22
Speaker 1: You did? You had a conflict?

01:06:24
Speaker 2: You are on some like global Escape. You know you look on We don't know where you are in the world.

01:06:29
Speaker 1: But I gave you a path. You did.

01:06:32
Speaker 3: You did?

01:06:33
Speaker 1: That's right. I forgot. I had to show up her show one. You did? You did Soft Flex number two? Yes? You? Because what I realized too is that.

01:06:49
Speaker 2: Just as I mentioned how summertimes my distractors are women that look, there are far more women who are trying to do good than a few bad, you know. And so what I wanted to do was to look at how we brought all the good apples together, to look at how we drive policy changes, how we drive changes in business and corporate America, how we get women more contracts, how we get we had lovely Ja Ja Jones to come in and do a book workshop, because guess what, not enough of us are writing books and telling our stories. So I had told her, yes, I have women who have are not authors, come up with something.

01:07:33
Speaker 1: Guess what.

01:07:34
Speaker 3: She did it? She called me. She's like, girl, you're going to change my life. Guess what.

01:07:38
Speaker 2: She now has a book academy so that anybody wow can go and learn from a four times New York Times best selling author.

01:07:48
Speaker 3: Wow, because one day.

01:07:49
Speaker 2: I feel like I have at least three three books in me. I definitely have a podcast, yes, yes, but I.

01:07:56
Speaker 3: Need more time.

01:07:57
Speaker 1: We can't wait for that podcast.

01:08:01
Speaker 2: Subscriber. I'm gonna need you because I already know the name. The name is unapologetically boss.

01:08:06
Speaker 1: I've already said market.

01:08:08
Speaker 2: I love that because you know what, what I feel at my core is that everybody has the potential to be a boss.

01:08:23
Speaker 3: And that does not mean.

01:08:25
Speaker 1: You have to work for yourself.

01:08:27
Speaker 2: You can be a boss inside of someone else's organization, You can be a boss in your community, You can be a boss in the choir. But what is it and how is it that you identify your superpowers to unlock, unload, and unleash and to whatever type of change and impact.

01:08:50
Speaker 3: Because where I am right now, it's not about success. It's about significance.

01:08:58
Speaker 1: That was a word. Not about success, It's about significance. Wow, cam Ooh that's good. That's where I heard over there.

01:09:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cause a lot of times we focus on the success part we do. And for me, going back to core tenants, I told you take the high road in another ferry.

01:09:21
Speaker 3: You know. The other thing is when you do.

01:09:25
Speaker 2: The right things for the right reasons and in the right way, God takes care of the rest.

01:09:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, that's good. You just dropping off. I hope y'all. I hope you got your collection plate. You're catching all these.

01:09:40
Speaker 2: Nuggets, cause honey, and if you take the collection plate and pay it forward.

01:09:46
Speaker 1: Oh that was we better talk about you better get out of my note. Okay, okay, okay, but I was gonna talk about I was gonna get to that. But there's something you I both have in common. We worked in politics. Yeah, I intern when I was a junior in college for Senator Lamar Alexander on Capitol Hill in DC, and then in turn got a job my senior year and I ended up leaving school to finish my last semester online, and I worked for the Senate for two and a half years after school before I moved to Atlanta.

01:10:15
Speaker 3: Toy, I remember when I learned that.

01:10:17
Speaker 2: You told me all this when we were in Baltimore traveling together, and that's when I learned your story.

01:10:21
Speaker 3: And actually that's when I.

01:10:22
Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, she's got it. Oh wow, Yeah, and you I found you worked in the Obama and Trump administrations as a member of the National Women's Business Council. First of all, how did that even come about?

01:10:36
Speaker 3: Like, that's so, it's so crazy.

01:10:39
Speaker 2: So I was appointed National Women's Business Council during the Obama administration twenty eleven. This speaks to another thing that has been fortunate for me in that Donna James was then leading the council.

01:10:54
Speaker 1: I knew Donna.

01:10:56
Speaker 2: Donna was actually the person who told me that I should going to my business full time. I started my agency as a side hustle, and I always tell folks your side hustle can become your main hustle, right, But she was the one who really pushed me. And I was like, man, I'm getting my check every two weeks.

01:11:14
Speaker 1: I'm good.

01:11:15
Speaker 2: She was like, you have something that corporations pay for in the way in which you think differently and are able to bring business impact in the sense of driving it forward. So Donna was appointed first to lead the council and she called me and she said, I.

01:11:36
Speaker 3: Need for you to serve Wow.

01:11:38
Speaker 2: And what I also say is that one people see things in you before you see it in yourself.

01:11:44
Speaker 3: But what I couple that with is that if.

01:11:47
Speaker 2: You are a known performer again, it goes back. People want people on their team designed to win. When I was appointed to the council, it was designed it's the National Women's Business Counsel. Are three kind of stakeholders are the President of the United States Congress and the SBA Small Business Administration. So my focus was our focus was how do we get more women in the sense of access to contracts, Opportunities capital because we are underfunded, yet we are the highest and fastest growing population of business owners. And when we look at organizations and VC currently under attack is the Fearless Fund, you know, And if we didn't have organizations like the Fearless Fund or Collab Capital where I serve as an advisory member that with Jewel, Melanie and that team, they are giving monies to scaled founders and areas around innovation and underrepresented groups. Those programs and funds wouldn't exist if the monies were going to then if you look back at women of color, a fraction of one percent goes to female founders. Remember I'm a female founder. I'm a black female founder. Founded my business out of a one bedroom apartment, crazy, self funded. Nobody gave me any money. I didn't go to mom and dad self funded. Now there are programs designed to help, there are funds designed to help. And so for me to sit on that council, it became away as a catalyst through public policy for me to drive forward that change. And I really and firmly believe that, you know, in order for us to look at how we impact, we have to have women and men who are courageous and convicted who are willing to get in the way to shake it up for others when they can't.

01:13:55
Speaker 3: And so you know, I served on it.

01:13:58
Speaker 2: I was supposed to roll off, but then Carla Harris, who I loved dearly as well, came on and she says, Sis, I need you to stay. And I stayed longer and extend up my term. And because it didn't matter to me who was in the White House, because the women who needed.

01:14:17
Speaker 3: The funds hadn't changed.

01:14:20
Speaker 2: And so we need to make sure and this is how my position on politics took. You know, we need to make sure that we have folks in the room, in both rooms, because if we.

01:14:32
Speaker 3: Don't have folks on the other side.

01:14:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's speaking up? And how we're driving to change one?

01:14:39
Speaker 1: That's so good? Wow, no one gets anywhere along. I want to know, who are some people that have played pivot rolls. You just spoke up a few that have played pivotal rolls to help you get to where you are today.

01:14:52
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mentioned Donna James, I mentioned the way I look at Carla Harris. I serve as a member of the Executive Leadership Council. It is a group of black officers of the Fortune one thousand that rank within two of the chairman of those organizations. At the time when Carla was the board chair, they were not really accepting entrepreneurs. We were not the basis of how that organization was founded. But she said to me, Kim, you know, we need people who think differently. And at the time I never really thought of myself and going into the organization. Had always been an advocate and a partner outside and driving my member companies in the sense of the PMM portfolio because I believed in its mission, and she was a primary advocate in me. You know, getting into that organization that will take a lot of pride around how we change how corporate America does business.

01:15:59
Speaker 3: So Carla Donna, you know.

01:16:02
Speaker 2: I've also had women step up who don't necessarily look like me in the sense of our melanin.

01:16:10
Speaker 3: You know.

01:16:11
Speaker 2: It was a woman Asian Philippine from the Philippines that put me on.

01:16:18
Speaker 3: My first corporate board.

01:16:19
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah.

01:16:21
Speaker 2: And so again I go back to where I met her at Gwyneth Paltrow. She hosts something where founders get together, very small group of us, and we're talking about how we change the ecosystem, what it looks like, and also just really looking at restoration and where and how we build community. Served on a panel afterwards, talked to her. She was a former a CEO of care dot Com. Spent ninety minutes with her and within six months was on my first.

01:16:52
Speaker 3: Corporate board as a publicly traded corporate director.

01:16:55
Speaker 1: Wow.

01:16:56
Speaker 2: I say that because again, I don't take lightly where I am invited into rooms and so mentorship, advocacy, sponsorship, While many do it for me, I'm going to do a multiplier for others. And so when names come up for board opportunities, I bring up names, when names come up for corporate sponsorship, and you know how we look at personal service agreements, I bring you know, names up. Where I am focused now is just as I go back to that significance track.

01:17:40
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm really big now on where that dash.

01:17:46
Speaker 2: And you know what my life I hope represents is I really want to create a lot more black and female, not just millionaires multi millions, right, And I believe in the power of monetizing content. I believe in the power of media. Yes, I believe that a lot of folks sit in positions of talent. I want them to develop the rigor and the muscle around business ownership and what that means to kind of create currency from their talents. You and I were talking the other day and we were talking about this whole writer strike and how you have learned the power of diversifying your streams of income.

01:18:38
Speaker 1: And I was gonna call you and ask you that I was.

01:18:42
Speaker 2: And I was proud again to hear whearing how you're doing it. You know, I tell folks, you know, I've been fortunate to build wealth in investing in real estate, commercial residential, investing in art, developing a collection worth seven plus figures.

01:19:07
Speaker 3: When jay Z talked about art, I was like, what tell them?

01:19:11
Speaker 1: Jay? Right?

01:19:13
Speaker 2: And through business ownership. Business ownership creates wealth. And so when you look at all these different streams and you look at the ways, and just like I said, if I had a book passive.

01:19:29
Speaker 3: Income, how am I making money when I'm sleep?

01:19:36
Speaker 1: Okay?

01:19:37
Speaker 2: And I'm also looking at too, how do I Because I sit in a lot of deal flow.

01:19:43
Speaker 1: They call me deal flow diva.

01:19:45
Speaker 2: Right, I sit in a lot of deal flow. And what I say to folks too is I can help you with the deal.

01:19:54
Speaker 3: But I am very true.

01:19:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I put myself in a deal. I know the value what I do. A lot of people can't afford me.

01:20:02
Speaker 1: Right, Hello, Hello, But it.

01:20:05
Speaker 2: Comes to various forms, you know. Yeah, and so do you want one hundred percent or nothing?

01:20:10
Speaker 1: Right?

01:20:11
Speaker 2: Or do you want eighty percent of something that you know can change your life?

01:20:17
Speaker 1: Exactly? I know that's right. We're gonna close with you giving just a few tips on what you would tell young women who are trying to be business women, just like you, get in these corporate spaces, because some people just don't know, you know, trying to navigate certain things. What are some tips that you may tell them to even navigate those or even if they're battling with like the institute and fear of like how do I go in these rooms and carry myself?

01:20:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you a few nuggets, so one understand what you can afford to do and not to do. On when I knew what I when I could afford to make my side hustle my main hustle. I tell folks learn in corporate America, learning wherever else on their die, develop the relationships that you may change to where they.

01:21:12
Speaker 3: Become a client.

01:21:14
Speaker 2: Learn systems, look at software look at you know where and how you know companies are thinking about innovation.

01:21:24
Speaker 3: Learn AI. We ain't even go there.

01:21:28
Speaker 1: We're not going there because that's why we're on strike. That's part of the reasonhy we're on strike right now. Why they can literally scan our faces, take our voices and just pay us a small fee and create a whole movie and TV show with everything. They don't need it now.

01:21:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, l see see I thought it was like you know, see I got the little macro, the writers strike and you know. But but what I will tell you that they can Yeah, that part of it is. But let me say this, going back to AI, figure out what you can do that AI can't. Yeah, because what I will tell you is that there are forms in business where AI is going to create efficiencies in business.

01:22:12
Speaker 1: Oh.

01:22:12
Speaker 2: Absolutely, You're not gonna need to pay it's just what. It doesn't sound good, it doesn't feel good.

01:22:21
Speaker 3: But that is what it is.

01:22:23
Speaker 1: Wow.

01:22:24
Speaker 2: But what I will tell you to going back to some of the other things, find a tribe, one that understands what it is that you're wanting to do, not necessarily the how, but you you're gonna need cheerleaders. That doesn't mean they have to be in your day to day but it does come in many forms. And when times get hard, you're gonna need someone or some bodies, yes, to help cheer you on. Always invest in continuous learning. I mentioned Hard, Cornell, Northwestern, Dartmouth, all of them.

01:23:04
Speaker 3: I continue to invest in my learning.

01:23:08
Speaker 2: So it may not be the ivys, but go take a webinar, go on YouTube and learn something and they have the ivies now have online courses that you they have that too, and you can go and look up different things and find community because a lot of times too, there's a great information share across community. For those folks who are wanting to go into business for themselves, there are tons of programs that actually where there are dollars that we.

01:23:39
Speaker 3: Are leaving on the table.

01:23:41
Speaker 2: Wow, So go and do the homework as it relates to grant funding and where and how you may be eligible to get support. And then I would say, you know, state of course, whether you're working you know, for yourself or for someone, there will always be hard times, yes, and you have to be so committed to your course, unwavering and if your God fearing, like I am, staying your word, yeah, because there are so many lessons in the word that will guide you and bring clarity to chaos that we face on the day to day, you know, and you know shoot.

01:24:34
Speaker 1: For the stars. Yeah, you know. Hey, y'all you got it straight from Kimberly Blackwell. I mean, I don't know what more to tell you or to give you.

01:24:42
Speaker 3: Okay, it's been fun.

01:24:44
Speaker 1: It's been amazing. Thank you.

01:24:46
Speaker 3: Wow, can we go eat?

01:24:48
Speaker 1: I'm so hungry. You know, I'm not eating all day?

01:24:53
Speaker 3: She hustling.

01:24:54
Speaker 1: I had a half a bagel, like literally all day. I'm starving.

01:24:58
Speaker 2: Wait, let me say something before you sign on. And I've said it throughout. What I love and what I'm seeing is how women and black women are showing up for you now on play about Chris and I. You know, it's a force that you cannot engineer, and what I would say to you is to embrace it and understand that the favor that God has put upon your life is something that I know that you will steward in a way. But just know that you're not doing it just for you. You're not doing it just for your family. You're doing it for the almost million but will be millions. Yeah, that pay attention to how you live because your life. Your life is in the way in what you've seen. Yeah, a soundtrack for so many wow oof.

01:26:20
Speaker 1: Kim Wow. I said what I said. You said what you said, and I received that. I res I mean, wow. Thank you.

01:26:28
Speaker 3: I love you.

01:26:29
Speaker 1: I love you too. Thank you so much. Oh my goodness, I am so full. Uh. We're gonna do my favorite part of the show, which is called Positive Outcomes, where our listeners write into us and we give them advice. Okay, so it's a listener letter and this one says, Hello, Chrystal. I'm a forty nine year old detention sergeant in Polk County, Florida. I've been in law enforcement for nearly twenty years and want to start a new career. My passion is decorating. I have a decorating business, a travel agency, and I make custom crocs all my part time jobs. My dream is to open up my own venue. Since COVID, my business took a huge hit because the venues closed down and now they are too expensive to rent. I have been praying asking God to leave me in the right direction and provide me with the resources I need to open my venue. I'm tired of living in fear of what might not happen and of failure. I'm also tired of working in a career that is no longer fulfilling. How do I get over my fear and pursue my dreams?

01:27:28
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's for me.

01:27:30
Speaker 1: Or both of us both. Yeah. So I'll say I had the experience working on Capitol Hill. I did it for two years, and I got to the point where I literally was at my desk responding to constituents and I'm like, what are you doing? And then, for me in my life, I've noticed when God starts wrestling with me, and I asked myself the question, Christ, what are you doing? It's time to do something. It's time to shift some things around. And I would say that to you, nothing's gonna be easy. I mean, Kim is a prime example. She started off in an apartment. Maybe your venue doesn't have to be as big as a scale that you want to start it on or that you see it. It can get there, but maybe you need to just scale now to something that you can afford and build up from there. That's what I would say. But I also would say, don't just quit your day job. You know you gotta okay bills must be paid exactly, So I would work on that. It has to be a side hustle until it becomes your main hustle.

01:28:27
Speaker 2: Yea, all things are you attention on well? And what I would add is that you know I am big on following my gut, and I do think that there are times when you know you may not wanna admit or embrace. So if you know that you know without a shoutowf of a doubt, that this is what you are supposed to be doing, then you stay the course. For me, I feel that, you know, coming out of college starting my business, you know, in my early twenties from that apartment, I knew that I was in my purpose. If this business aligns to your purpose.

01:29:18
Speaker 3: And you see your product as being something that is.

01:29:25
Speaker 2: Differentiated in the marketplace, and you know that you can now explore other ways crowdfunding, how you go to friends and family to look at ways to raise capital. To your point, I always kept my overhead low so I didn't start hiring a lot of people. Initially, I contracted people. So how do you minimize your expenses so that you can continue to invest more into the business So you can't.

01:30:03
Speaker 1: Make the money and go out and buy the burkin Hello.

01:30:07
Speaker 2: Okay, Well she said, instead, you're gonna have to reinvest into the business, and that's.

01:30:13
Speaker 3: Gonna be a long time coming.

01:30:16
Speaker 2: Before you upgrade that car or you go get those j's. You may be in whatever sneakers you wearing now and it'll be a minute. But what I will tell you is that if the product differentiation is there, if the brand and.

01:30:31
Speaker 3: The consumer demand is there, why your crocs?

01:30:35
Speaker 2: And in this world to which you know, we're seeing it show up in different forms, how do you get creative and resourceful? Have you sent crystals some of your crocs with hurt million followers?

01:30:48
Speaker 1: Like?

01:30:48
Speaker 2: How do you use product placement to bring awareness? And if you were to get that awareness, could you supply to demand. There are a lot of things that sometimes we have to.

01:31:00
Speaker 3: Look at and a straight talk yeah.

01:31:03
Speaker 2: That I sometimes think we're not necessarily ready for. And that's where the hard questions come. But if you're prepared and your gut says this is a part of what you're supposed to be doing, I believe that that passion and purpose.

01:31:22
Speaker 3: Can turn a profit.

01:31:24
Speaker 1: Okay, I love that.

01:31:25
Speaker 3: I love that.

01:31:29
Speaker 1: We do with part what I'm going through and what I'm growing through is so good. And I'll start right now just based on this topic that we're talking about. We're going through the strike right now, and I am going through a season of reinventing the wheel and trying to figure new things out and working on other passions, things that I'm passionate about that are going to other hustle that are going to start at the side hustle, but I see this ended up being the main hustle, you know, so looking into that and really researching and learning something new because I realize now that while acting brings great money and it provides a great life, it also there's a lot of uncertainties in the future of that, and I'll need to tap into something that I know is, hey, I can't do this, you.

01:32:17
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, that's the real But acting will come back for you, and it'll come back times three.

01:32:23
Speaker 3: But to your point, what else?

01:32:26
Speaker 1: What else? Yeah? Yeah, So that's what I'm going through and grooving through right now.

01:32:30
Speaker 2: I think going through for me is just that after COVID, my business changed where we grew into new areas, and so that also meant me finding the right talent and skill set because I'm also trying to work differently.

01:32:50
Speaker 1: I work very hard.

01:32:52
Speaker 2: And the Nora can have all this hard work, right, My working harder is I'm trying to work smarter and I'm also trying to change lives. So right now, what I'm going through to hopefully get to is my dream team. So I am looking for folks who want to work. I'm looking for folks who want to work because I have a My operational excellent standard is high. I am not the easiest person to work for because the reality of it is is that I'm black. The reality of it is is that I'm a woman. So I don't get do overs in my world. And so for me, and again not resting on any laurels and knowing that people are chasing me, what I put out has to be five star, best class, disruptive, impactful, moves the needle where you know corporations can count where and how we've driven sales and help to grow market share.

01:34:02
Speaker 1: Right.

01:34:03
Speaker 2: And so for me, I'm excited about where I'm going to because I have some really cool things in the work. But I want I'm at this point where I want to change other people's lives, but I'm not.

01:34:23
Speaker 3: Going to give it away, you know what I mean. But I want you know, I'm looking at acquisitions.

01:34:29
Speaker 2: Do I go buy up some boutique firms because they've shown themselves to be of great value? Do I find somebody who actually being your own boss is not always, you know, for everyone?

01:34:42
Speaker 3: And what I find sometimes is that are folks who.

01:34:44
Speaker 2: Are out here, They're like, you know what, Yeah, I'm ready to go work for someone, and that's okay. What I think we've glamorized is this whole thing about being your own boss.

01:34:56
Speaker 3: I just want people to be a boss.

01:34:59
Speaker 1: Period, every position that is. I love that. I love that we do something where we call keep it blank, sweetye, where we fill in the blank. Yeah, and this because just to play off and keep it positive, sweetie. So we're gonna say, for me, I'm gonna say for this show, keep it significant, sweetie, because you said something. It's not about the success, it's about the significance that that stuck with me.

01:35:25
Speaker 3: Someone say, wow, she stole my words. Let's see, because keep it significant was a good one day, that was a good one.

01:35:45
Speaker 1: We can we can use the same one.

01:35:46
Speaker 3: Nah.

01:35:52
Speaker 2: I want to say keep it this is not really one word. Keep it in love, sweetie, M because I believe if e, if you at your core, do everything rooted in love.

01:36:11
Speaker 1: I've told you.

01:36:13
Speaker 2: I'm true, I'm direct. But if you know my heart and my intention is always rooted in love. Ooh, the power in how you receive digest everything I do will be taken in its proper contexts.

01:36:33
Speaker 1: That's so good.

01:36:35
Speaker 3: So keep it in love, sweetie, Keep it in love, sweetie.

01:36:39
Speaker 1: Wow, that was amazing. Ladies and gentlemen, the Kimberly Black Well, thank you so much, thank you so much, so much. Oh my goodness, I hope this episode bless you as much as it blessed me. I'm so excited that I got you on the couch a fountain.

01:36:53
Speaker 2: Right, I'm like, you know, this couch is very powerful. Like I feel like I went to therapy today.

01:36:58
Speaker 1: Everybody says that when they sit here.

01:37:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder why I might be onto something. You might be onto something. St rite or strike case.

01:37:17
Speaker 1: Stop that way, say ching l. Don't put us together. Don't put us together, honey, No, but for goods, thank you so much for tuning in. If you want to write into our positive outcomes listener letter right into keep it positive. Sweety at gmail dot com. That is Sweetye with an ie. You can follow Keep it po sweety on all platforms, and you can follow me on all platforms at Love Chris Doorinee and that it's l U V Kim. Let us know where we can find you.

01:37:55
Speaker 2: At Kim Blackwell, p M M. At Kim Blackwell, Paul Mary Mary.

01:38:00
Speaker 1: I love that. All right, we are gonna make sure they tap in. Guys, please follow Kimberly. I'm telling you we're blessed inspired. Every time I go to your page, I'm inspired to make sure you tap into that Sunday because on Sunday she gonna feed yourself.

01:38:12
Speaker 3: Oh we go to church beside Baptist, but we go to church.

01:38:16
Speaker 1: We're gonna be in there. Thank you guys so much for tuning in and in the meantime, you know what to do. Keep it positive, sweetie, See you guys later.