BIGFOOT IN THE OZARKS | RANDY HARRINGTON (BIGFOOT IN THE CAMPGROUND)

<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, and welcome to Sasquatch Theory. In this interview,
<v Speaker 1>we have Randy Harrington from the Kansas, Missouri area, and
<v Speaker 1>he is here to talk about his bigfoot encounters, his experiences,
<v Speaker 1>and the research that he's done out in the field
<v Speaker 1>throughout the years. Randy was very kind to me and
<v Speaker 1>we hit it off great talking about bigfoot activity and
<v Speaker 1>different methods used to capture evidence. Randy is willing to
<v Speaker 1>get out in the field and stay for days at
<v Speaker 1>a time in order to obtain any evidence that he
<v Speaker 1>can find. It was really cool to see his ill
<v Speaker 1>Tel thermal drone in action, and you are able to
<v Speaker 1>pick up heat signatures from a really far distance. I've
<v Speaker 1>wanted to get the same thermal drone for a while now,
<v Speaker 1>but they are certainly a pricey piece of equipment. During
<v Speaker 1>our investigation of the area, we could hear something on
<v Speaker 1>the parabolic microphone coming up the ridge. We could also
<v Speaker 1>hear some branch breaking when we were cooking food, and
<v Speaker 1>some possible wood knocking during the night. It's really hard
<v Speaker 1>to determine if it was truly bigfoot out activity, but
<v Speaker 1>we were keeping our eyes peeled and our ears open.
<v Speaker 1>In this video, Randy will share his bigfoot encounters and
<v Speaker 1>experiences with us on the channel, and he discusses his
<v Speaker 1>tactics out in the field when looking for the hairy people.
<v Speaker 1>If you guys enjoy Sasquatch Theory, please like the video
<v Speaker 1>and subscribe to the channel. And if you have a
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot encounter that you would like to talk about with me,
<v Speaker 1>please contact me at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com.
<v Speaker 1>You can now find my interviews on Spotify, Apple Podcast, iHeartRadio,
<v Speaker 1>and many other platforms if you guys are interested in
<v Speaker 1>listening to bigfoot encounters on the go. All right, guys,
<v Speaker 1>let's dive into Randy Harrington's bigfoot encounters here on Sasquatch Theory.
<v Speaker 2>You and I'm Miguel. We were talking earlier, and you
<v Speaker 2>know I mentioned something that happened in two thousand and
<v Speaker 2>three by Mount magazine in Arkansas, and I specifically was there.
<v Speaker 2>After years of doing online searches and reading of reports
<v Speaker 2>and listening to people at that point, that was my
<v Speaker 2>first foray into the subject with boots on the ground.
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to say, could I go out in the
<v Speaker 2>woods and just look around if I was paying attention,
<v Speaker 2>is there anything that I could find that maybe question anything.
<v Speaker 2>And indeed I did have something happen, as I mentioned
<v Speaker 2>to you about that pile of feathers and the smell,
<v Speaker 2>but that wasn't a significant happening, but it was just
<v Speaker 2>enough for me to say, maybe they are out maybe
<v Speaker 2>they are out here in the woods. And so that
<v Speaker 2>was the very beginning two thousand and three, and I
<v Speaker 2>went down after that in two thousand and four to
<v Speaker 2>I think the very first ho Nubby Bigfoot Festival conference,
<v Speaker 2>and it was the first one, and I thought to myself, Wow,
<v Speaker 2>they're having an event where bigfoot people will meet up,
<v Speaker 2>and I thought to myself, I need to go down
<v Speaker 2>there and meet somebody that can help me, because I'm
<v Speaker 2>very interested. At this point, I was very interested in
<v Speaker 2>it and basically was just trying to do some camping,
<v Speaker 2>not knowing very much about anything other than what i'd read.
<v Speaker 2>So I went down to that event in two thousand
<v Speaker 2>and four and I had missed it. I had gotten
<v Speaker 2>there in the evening and everybody was just about gone
<v Speaker 2>on the last day, and so I was like, man,
<v Speaker 2>I'm very disappointed. I didn't know what to do. So
<v Speaker 2>at the time I had a four wheeler, and I
<v Speaker 2>was buying as cheap equipment that I could afford. And
<v Speaker 2>my very first piece of equipment was one of those
<v Speaker 2>five hundred dollars binocular night vision that you can drop
<v Speaker 2>down over your eyes. You know, it has the head harness.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm driving my four wheeler around on logging roads
<v Speaker 2>with no headlights, looking around with these goggles, you know,
<v Speaker 2>night goggles on. It was kind of funny, but I'm
<v Speaker 2>toodling along on this logging road. I'd come up out
<v Speaker 2>of some bottoms and all of a sudden, I see
<v Speaker 2>a vehicle with a tar ball pulled over it and
<v Speaker 2>pulled around it, and somebody sitting there in a chair,
<v Speaker 2>and so I flip my things up, I turned my
<v Speaker 2>lights on, and because I don't want them to think
<v Speaker 2>I'm up to no good creeping around in the dark.
<v Speaker 2>So I had toodled along up there, and since it
<v Speaker 2>was the same evening at the last day of the
<v Speaker 2>first conference, I just asked him straight up. I said,
<v Speaker 2>I said you hear any I said, I said, you're
<v Speaker 2>hearing anything interesting? And the guy looked at me, and
<v Speaker 2>he looked at his wife and he was like, what
<v Speaker 2>the hell. Yeah, yeah, we heard some knocks over here
<v Speaker 2>and you know, something back up over here. And so
<v Speaker 2>that was the first person that I ever met that
<v Speaker 2>accepted me, you know, but the way I asked him,
<v Speaker 2>he pretty much had to tell me because I just
<v Speaker 2>assumed he was a bigfoot person. Who else would be
<v Speaker 2>sitting out there in the dark, you know, at the
<v Speaker 2>same weekend of a bigfoot conference in this locale. So
<v Speaker 2>his name was Keith, and we became friends. We started
<v Speaker 2>joining up all the time. He lived in Saint Paul
<v Speaker 2>or Paul's Valley, Paul's Valley, Oklahoma, which was three hours
<v Speaker 2>to the west, and so we just became friends and
<v Speaker 2>we started meeting down there, and then there would be
<v Speaker 2>times where I'd come down and swing pick him up
<v Speaker 2>and we both go to the Kaimichi's well. Come to
<v Speaker 2>find out, his interest started because of activity that he
<v Speaker 2>had had in the Chickasaw National Park south of Sulfur,
<v Speaker 2>which was one town away from where he lived. And
<v Speaker 2>I would ask him, why in the world would you
<v Speaker 2>even come out here if you've got bigfoots at that park,
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, well, they're wilder here. It's just different.
<v Speaker 2>It's different here than at the park. And so needless
<v Speaker 2>to say. It culminated in two thousand and five, he
<v Speaker 2>and I got what we call the Ridgewalker video on
<v Speaker 2>a ridge there in Oklahoma. And after that, I went
<v Speaker 2>to the Chickasaw Park for the first time. The next
<v Speaker 2>February in two thousand and six, I actually took him
<v Speaker 2>home one night and he told me what campsite to
<v Speaker 2>go to. I went to that campsite had the most
<v Speaker 2>incredible encounter that I've ever had since since Shane walked
<v Speaker 2>up on that little one at the four hundred, but
<v Speaker 2>before that, it was that was like the Grand Puba
<v Speaker 2>of all encounters from what I was able to see
<v Speaker 2>and encounter that night. And I've told that story a
<v Speaker 2>million times. I mean, you can find it anywhere on
<v Speaker 2>you know, podcasts and stuff. I mean, it's a long, long,
<v Speaker 2>long drawn out story. I mean, do you really really
<v Speaker 2>want me to go into the everything about it, because
<v Speaker 2>it's it's really fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I personally do. I think that'd be
<v Speaker 1>cool if you want to.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but you you've heard it though, haven't you.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm going to interject things about this story that
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know at the time of things were happening
<v Speaker 2>that I knew that I found out afterwards, So I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna lay that out first. There was a gentleman that
<v Speaker 2>lived in Sulfur named Charles Hallmark. He has passed away
<v Speaker 2>a long time ago from cancer, but I spoke to
<v Speaker 2>him on the phone after my encounter there and found
<v Speaker 2>these things out. He had a sighting in that park
<v Speaker 2>and he started becoming obsessed with it and started trying
<v Speaker 2>to figure them out, and he would go down there
<v Speaker 2>and do things well. He was setting up a baiting
<v Speaker 2>system in the off season where he would go in
<v Speaker 2>and put baits in the trash cans there. At the time,
<v Speaker 2>the trash cans were just the three foot tall metal
<v Speaker 2>with the and there would be a chain attached to
<v Speaker 2>a cinder block that they would have cinder blocks sitting
<v Speaker 2>on top of the very generic trash can system for
<v Speaker 2>a park system of trash cans. But it was in
<v Speaker 2>these trash cans that he would bait them. And he
<v Speaker 2>told me on the phone all of the things that
<v Speaker 2>he had done, and he says, I found out, you know,
<v Speaker 2>there were certain foods that they would like, certain foods
<v Speaker 2>that he didn't like. And he said that he was
<v Speaker 2>trying to get their fingerprints and the way, he said,
<v Speaker 2>fig newtons are one of the foods that they ended
<v Speaker 2>up finding out that they liked a lot, he said,
<v Speaker 2>So he would put fig newtons in the bottom of
<v Speaker 2>a cup, put a bag of microwave popcorn sitting right
<v Speaker 2>on top of the cup, and when they would remove
<v Speaker 2>the bag, they'd get butter on their fingers. And you
<v Speaker 2>take the cup and leave fingerprints on the cups. So
<v Speaker 2>he had this poster board with all these huge fingerprints
<v Speaker 2>all over it and that he was, you know, documenting,
<v Speaker 2>and he was telling me about he said, he said,
<v Speaker 2>there were times I'd buy bags of food when I
<v Speaker 2>was trying to figure out what foods they liked, and
<v Speaker 2>I would buy like some McDonald's stuff, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>put candy bars and some other stuff. And he said,
<v Speaker 2>and this is you got to understand. This is back
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and six when I'm having this conversation
<v Speaker 2>with him, after I had my own encounter there. So
<v Speaker 2>he's telling me things that we know now as a
<v Speaker 2>community is a fact that these things how these things are.
<v Speaker 2>And he said that he would roll up a bag
<v Speaker 2>have several different types of food in the bottom of
<v Speaker 2>these trash cans have it all set up, and when
<v Speaker 2>he'd come back the next day to check it out,
<v Speaker 2>the trash can would look all the same. He said.
<v Speaker 2>I would take the cinderblock off, take the lid off,
<v Speaker 2>looking the bag would be rolled up. It's like nothing
<v Speaker 2>was there. And I would say to myself, God, they
<v Speaker 2>didn't they didn't hit this one. And then I'd reach
<v Speaker 2>down to grab a bag and it would feel light.
<v Speaker 2>He said, I'll unroll it and come to find out
<v Speaker 2>they only took one item out of it and rolled
<v Speaker 2>it all back up and put it all back in place.
<v Speaker 2>When he said that, I think it just brushed over me.
<v Speaker 2>That information brushed over me. But now I've seen these
<v Speaker 2>things happen where they are. They are very select. They
<v Speaker 2>don't want you to know that they've been there. Even
<v Speaker 2>at a camp table, just the only one thing will
<v Speaker 2>be moved. But our audio will show that they've dug
<v Speaker 2>through every box, but only one. You'd only see one
<v Speaker 2>item moved. That to be species wide is incredible. That
<v Speaker 2>they are so stealthy that their curiosity wants them to
<v Speaker 2>come look through our stuff, but they're smart enough to
<v Speaker 2>know to leave everything in its place, so to only
<v Speaker 2>take one item and roll everything put it back the
<v Speaker 2>way it was. This culminates later during my encounter, So
<v Speaker 2>now let's forward to my encounter. He quit doing these experiments.
<v Speaker 2>It was two years later that I'm at the park.
<v Speaker 2>I'm there in February. It's the off season, no camp host,
<v Speaker 2>no other campers. I was the only one there, and
<v Speaker 2>I was told to go to a campsite thirty, which
<v Speaker 2>is worse. My friend Keith and his wife had all
<v Speaker 2>kinds of encounters. He'd seen them that he's seen. A
<v Speaker 2>little one he described. It was about three foot tall,
<v Speaker 2>he said, He said, I think it took a liking
<v Speaker 2>to my wife. His wife had red hair, and she
<v Speaker 2>was extremely a loud woman, very loud woman. So I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it was the red hair or if
<v Speaker 2>it was the fact that she was a very loud
<v Speaker 2>spoken woman and very very She could tell she ruled
<v Speaker 2>the roost over Keith. So could it be a combination
<v Speaker 2>of her demeanor of being a very aggressive woman, or
<v Speaker 2>the red hair, or the both. But needless to say,
<v Speaker 2>he said that it seemed like that little one in
<v Speaker 2>the park took a liking to her and would always
<v Speaker 2>come around when they were there, he said, to the
<v Speaker 2>point where one time she got in their car to
<v Speaker 2>take off to go to town to get something. And
<v Speaker 2>he saw the little one take off running through the
<v Speaker 2>brush and jumped the little roads that they have there
<v Speaker 2>in the park. And he said, and he described the
<v Speaker 2>way the little one jumped the road. It had its
<v Speaker 2>knees pulled up all the way to its chest while
<v Speaker 2>it was in the air. Wow. Interesting description. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if I can ever you can ever verify that
<v Speaker 2>unless somebody else says they see the same thing. But
<v Speaker 2>this all comes out later when I'm there and I
<v Speaker 2>have my encounter because it involves about a five and
<v Speaker 2>a half foot tall juvenile with a large male. So
<v Speaker 2>he's telling me stories of a little one that seems
<v Speaker 2>to run the park. Certainly that little one has a parent.
<v Speaker 2>So the night that I have my encounter there, it
<v Speaker 2>involves all of these components where something's going through the
<v Speaker 2>trash can that Hallmark hat set up, and it's just fascinating.
<v Speaker 2>So I get there through the park and a pull
<v Speaker 2>around and it's the road's going through this. There's about
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty five campsites and they're all separated
<v Speaker 2>with gravel pathways. They're all along Rock Creek. There's spring
<v Speaker 2>fed creeks, sulfur creeks through this whole park system. It's
<v Speaker 2>a pretty big park system, but Rock the Rock Creek
<v Speaker 2>area primarily sits along Rock Creek, and the campsite thirty
<v Speaker 2>is very close proximity to Rock Creek. And I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>tell you, when I pulled in there, it was dusk,
<v Speaker 2>it was right before dark, and I set up my campsite.
<v Speaker 2>There was no camp host. I was the only person there,
<v Speaker 2>so I knew I was alone, so I left my campsite.
<v Speaker 2>I had my tents set up and some other stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And the park is a one way drive, so you
<v Speaker 2>can only go in one way and then pulled into
<v Speaker 2>your park, so you have to be parked it. You
<v Speaker 2>can't turn around and face the other way, so cause
<v Speaker 2>then it's just all set up for a one way system.
<v Speaker 2>So when I parked into my campsite, the tent is
<v Speaker 2>on one side. You have big rocks where they set
<v Speaker 2>big rocks up so that you can't pull off into
<v Speaker 2>the camp area. There's only a certain area that you
<v Speaker 2>can park at. So it's really extreme in the positioning
<v Speaker 2>of my truck. Believe me. I wish I'd had my
<v Speaker 2>truck in a different position, But so I set my
<v Speaker 2>tent and everything up, and I went into town to
<v Speaker 2>grab me something to eat. When I came back, I
<v Speaker 2>stopped up at the front of the park where the
<v Speaker 2>camp host is because my plan was to make my
<v Speaker 2>campsite appear abandoned. Because there was a report, and you
<v Speaker 2>could read these reports back then from the Sheriff's department.
<v Speaker 2>They would put them in the paper. People would call
<v Speaker 2>in reports, and that's how the bigfooters in that area
<v Speaker 2>were researching the park because of campers that would report
<v Speaker 2>to the Sheriff's department and it would be in the newspaper.
<v Speaker 2>So there was a lady who said that she got
<v Speaker 2>knocked over by something harry when she came out of
<v Speaker 2>the bathroom. That was in the sheriff's report in the newspaper.
<v Speaker 2>Someone else said that they came back into their camp
<v Speaker 2>and there was there was somebody in their camp that
<v Speaker 2>ran ran away from their camp covered in hair, you know,
<v Speaker 2>when they'd come back to camp at eleven o'clock one night.
<v Speaker 2>So I took those reports and I thought to myself, okay,
<v Speaker 2>because of what my friend Keith said, they're in the park,
<v Speaker 2>they've got to be in the park. And because they
<v Speaker 2>were in this ones camp where they came back at
<v Speaker 2>ten eleven o'clock at night and saw it running out
<v Speaker 2>of their camp, I said, that means it came into
<v Speaker 2>their camp when it thought the camp was empty. So
<v Speaker 2>that that's the one sighting that I based my whole
<v Speaker 2>thing there on. I wanted them to think my campsite
<v Speaker 2>was empty even when I was there. So at the
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the camp site, I taped blankets up on
<v Speaker 2>the inside of my cab. It was a it was
<v Speaker 2>a crew cab diesel truck with ladder racks on the back,
<v Speaker 2>and I had blankets taped up all to my windows,
<v Speaker 2>and I had them to where I could separate them
<v Speaker 2>over the steering wheel, and I could separate them right
<v Speaker 2>here at the corner where I was at. But there
<v Speaker 2>was stuff stacked in my seat. I still had camping
<v Speaker 2>supplies and tupperware containers all, so it wasn't like my
<v Speaker 2>truck was empty and I was the only one. There
<v Speaker 2>was an ice chest beside me, so the cab was
<v Speaker 2>still full of stuff. But I was sitting in the
<v Speaker 2>driver's seat and I had my windows all taped up.
<v Speaker 2>So I drive back to my camp site and it's
<v Speaker 2>starting to get dark, and I get to my campsite
<v Speaker 2>and all I can see is out of the opening
<v Speaker 2>that I had over my steering wheel. My plan was
<v Speaker 2>that if I had an encounter that night that I
<v Speaker 2>would film. I would just hit my headlights and film
<v Speaker 2>through my windshield. That's why I made sure that my
<v Speaker 2>blankets could open right over the steering wheel. My plan
<v Speaker 2>was to never give away that I was in the cab,
<v Speaker 2>and if I could ever catch one in the front
<v Speaker 2>of my truck, I was just gonna start recording, so
<v Speaker 2>that it's recording as I'm looking through the glass, open
<v Speaker 2>it up, and then turn on my headlights. That was
<v Speaker 2>my plan to catch one. So here's what happened. I
<v Speaker 2>get into camp, my truck is all closed up, I
<v Speaker 2>have a jar to pee in. I don't even want
<v Speaker 2>to open my doors for nothing. I want the moment
<v Speaker 2>I stopped my truck. I never wanted to give away
<v Speaker 2>that I was there. It was dead camp. So I'm
<v Speaker 2>setting in and I had a parabolic mic, the same
<v Speaker 2>ones that you saw over here on my logs. I
<v Speaker 2>had one setting on top of my truck. With a magnet,
<v Speaker 2>and I had the headset inside my truck with the
<v Speaker 2>door closed on the court, so I can just sit
<v Speaker 2>there and listen with my headset. So I'm listening to
<v Speaker 2>everything that's going on. You hear windblow, you hear nighttime sounds.
<v Speaker 2>We're not too far from the town of Sulfur. I
<v Speaker 2>could hear vehicles. You could hear vehicles that red lights
<v Speaker 2>and maybe a teenager hit squealing its tires or something
<v Speaker 2>like that. So that's how close this park is to
<v Speaker 2>a town. So I'm sitting there in the truck. It's
<v Speaker 2>dark now, and so it must be a couple hours later,
<v Speaker 2>ten o'clock, eleven o'clock. And you get used to the
<v Speaker 2>cadence of the nighttime sounds, whether it's just like this,
<v Speaker 2>it has its own ambiance where it's got its own melody,
<v Speaker 2>and then the moment you hear something that's off your
<v Speaker 2>jar awake, like footsteps, and that's what I heard. I'm
<v Speaker 2>just sitting there. I'm starting to lull because it's the
<v Speaker 2>night is pleasant. Then all of a sudden, I hear
<v Speaker 2>through leaves and I'm like, okay, okay, I hear something,
<v Speaker 2>and so so I'm paying attention I'm listening, I hear
<v Speaker 2>walking crunching through leaves as it's walking, and then the
<v Speaker 2>moment I hear something that it took me a second
<v Speaker 2>to figure out what it was. I heard a stick
<v Speaker 2>being drug through gravel, and I realized I did not
<v Speaker 2>know what the park looked like at that time, because
<v Speaker 2>I'd never walked through the park. I'd only pulled in there,
<v Speaker 2>set my camp, went and got something to eat, so
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really know the layout of the park. I'm
<v Speaker 2>only telling you what i've heard. It sounded like a
<v Speaker 2>stick being drug through gravel, but then it would go
<v Speaker 2>back into walking in leaves, So if he's still dragging
<v Speaker 2>the stick, I wouldn't know because you wouldn't hear it
<v Speaker 2>because it's not dragging through gravel anymore. He might still
<v Speaker 2>be dragging it through the leaves, but I'm hearing footsteps
<v Speaker 2>in the leaves, and then occasionally I would hear the
<v Speaker 2>stick being drug through gravel. What I realize now is
<v Speaker 2>every camp site is connected with gravel pathways that goes
<v Speaker 2>to the bathrooms and stuff. So there's gravel pathways throughout
<v Speaker 2>this whole park. And then I hear my first trash
<v Speaker 2>candle lid being opened and put back on, so something
<v Speaker 2>was looking in the trash cans. It was a chilly,
<v Speaker 2>chilly night, probably in the early forties, low forties, maybe
<v Speaker 2>even the high thirties. It was very chilly. It was
<v Speaker 2>in February, so it was chili. And it's the office.
<v Speaker 2>It's the off season. Nobody camps. There's nobody camping there
<v Speaker 2>so much so that there's no camp host or anything.
<v Speaker 2>So here's my reasoning at the time, if it's a
<v Speaker 2>homeless person in the park trying to catch a meal,
<v Speaker 2>they should know that there's no trash. There's no trash
<v Speaker 2>being accumulated in those parks in the off season. There's
<v Speaker 2>nobody camping. So whatever I'm hearing is going from trash
<v Speaker 2>can and then I hear it walking dragging a stick,
<v Speaker 2>and then I hear it go ping, And it took
<v Speaker 2>me a second. I'm like, what is that? Hear footsteps, stick,
<v Speaker 2>dragon ping, and I'm like, something's hitting the metal lantern
<v Speaker 2>posts as it's going through the park. And then I'll
<v Speaker 2>hear another trash can lid pop open. So something is
<v Speaker 2>stomatically going from trash can to trash can, meandering through
<v Speaker 2>these pathways dragging a stick, whenever it would see a
<v Speaker 2>metal lantern post ding hit it with a stick like
<v Speaker 2>you would expect a kid to behave. Because I indeed
<v Speaker 2>here shortly will tell you I see a five and
<v Speaker 2>a half footer. He was probably the one going through
<v Speaker 2>the park because he's acting like a kid. What I
<v Speaker 2>didn't know until it happened, there was a second one
<v Speaker 2>that was there also that I didn't know until the
<v Speaker 2>moment he stepped out. So I'm hearing this process where
<v Speaker 2>it's going through the park ding punk, drag a stick,
<v Speaker 2>look in the trash can, put the lid back on
<v Speaker 2>and put the put the cinder block back on it,
<v Speaker 2>put everything back together. It's just going through the park looking.
<v Speaker 2>What I didn't know is it's looking for the baits
<v Speaker 2>that Charles Hallmark had been setting up. They were occasionally
<v Speaker 2>coming back checking to see if his baiting system was
<v Speaker 2>still going on. It wasn't because he got cancer and
<v Speaker 2>ended up dying, but I was a beneficiary of his
<v Speaker 2>baiting sete. They were there specifically to see if he
<v Speaker 2>was putting stuff in the trash cans again, and I
<v Speaker 2>just happened to be the only person they're camping. So
<v Speaker 2>the moment that it sees my campsite. I know it
<v Speaker 2>because all of a sudden it stopped. It had been
<v Speaker 2>moving constantly for a long time at that point, forty
<v Speaker 2>five minutes, fifty minutes through the whole park, and then
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden it stops. And I'm listening and
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking to myself, Oh my god, it sees me.
<v Speaker 2>It has to see my truck. It has to see
<v Speaker 2>my campsite. And then I hear it and stop and stop.
<v Speaker 2>It was moving and stopping, and I'm thinking to myself,
<v Speaker 2>he's going from tree to tree. At this point, he's
<v Speaker 2>moving to the next tree. And that's what it sounded like.
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't seen anything yet, it was only I was
<v Speaker 2>only putting a pattern of what I was hearing, the
<v Speaker 2>best pattern that I could with what I was hearing.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, he's moving from tree to tree. At this point,
<v Speaker 2>I know he's close. He must be close because he
<v Speaker 2>has to see my camp This behavior means he's looking
<v Speaker 2>at my campsite and he's stalking my campsite. So I'm
<v Speaker 2>breaking my covers and I'm looking out. I'm trying to
<v Speaker 2>see if I can see any movement. There was a
<v Speaker 2>full moon that night, so it was very bright. So
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking through my covers and I'm looking in my
<v Speaker 2>side mirror. Now it was a Diesel crew cab truck
<v Speaker 2>forward f two fifty. The side mirrors are huge, So
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking in the side mirror down the driver's side
<v Speaker 2>of my truck to a patch of woods behind my truck,
<v Speaker 2>and I see a shadowy movement back there, and so
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at it where I saw that shadow moving,
<v Speaker 2>and then I see this here on the side of
<v Speaker 2>a tree. I see two hands go and then duck
<v Speaker 2>back behind the tree. And at that moment it looked human.
<v Speaker 2>It had a human form. So I'm like, he's right
<v Speaker 2>behind he's right behind my truck. That's where he's at.
<v Speaker 2>And I knew where he was, and I could see
<v Speaker 2>the tree that he had duck back behind, and so
<v Speaker 2>so at that point it still could have been a person,
<v Speaker 2>because that's just that's all I saw. It was a
<v Speaker 2>human form. And then duck back behind the tree, and
<v Speaker 2>then it hit a tree with that stick. Up to
<v Speaker 2>that point, a tree was never hit, only the metal
<v Speaker 2>lantern posts were hit and the stick was being drug.
<v Speaker 2>Here's the first time that it actually hit a wood structure.
<v Speaker 2>Wood on wood, and then I heard slashing coming across
<v Speaker 2>the creek and he was joined by a second one.
<v Speaker 2>Now I need to interject in there before I go
<v Speaker 2>on to what happens after this, because it was brought
<v Speaker 2>to my attention when the little one was going through
<v Speaker 2>the park and hitting metal lantern posts. Clearly he was
<v Speaker 2>doing that so that the big one that was on
<v Speaker 2>the other side of the creek in the thick stuff,
<v Speaker 2>knew where he was in the park. Because when he
<v Speaker 2>hit the tree, it was almost immediate splashing, slashing coming
<v Speaker 2>across the creek, and the big one was right there.
<v Speaker 2>So that means he had been following along the backside
<v Speaker 2>of that creek with the sounds that the little one
<v Speaker 2>was making going through the park, so that the big
<v Speaker 2>one would know where he was. That's the only thing
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're letting each other know where they're at.
<v Speaker 2>And he never hit a tree until he needed the
<v Speaker 2>big one to come across, so that means they had
<v Speaker 2>communications before that. You need me, buddy, hit a tree.
<v Speaker 2>Don't hit a tree unless you need me. But if
<v Speaker 2>you hit a tree, I'm coming. Because that's what happened.
<v Speaker 2>He'd never hit a tree before. And you'd think the
<v Speaker 2>laxadasically going through the park and using that stick for everything,
<v Speaker 2>dragging it and hitting the blantern posts, you'd think he
<v Speaker 2>would hit a tree too, but he never did. But
<v Speaker 2>when he did hit the tree, slashing came across the
<v Speaker 2>creek and he was joined by a second one. Now
<v Speaker 2>at that point, I'm only speculating that it's the little
<v Speaker 2>one in the park. I still don't know, because I'd
<v Speaker 2>never got a size reference of this single one that
<v Speaker 2>looked out around the tree. All I know is at
<v Speaker 2>that point I heard slashing coming across the creek, and
<v Speaker 2>the creek was right behind another campsite going down away
<v Speaker 2>from where he was at. But I still know to
<v Speaker 2>be looking at that spot. So I'm looking at that spot,
<v Speaker 2>and then I hear these owl calls, and I've got
<v Speaker 2>those recorded, you know one of my one of my
<v Speaker 2>YouTube videos. Well, actually i've got this whole thing recorded.
<v Speaker 2>But anyways, it started, it did an OL call. And
<v Speaker 2>I was never really sold on these things mimicking other
<v Speaker 2>animals or other things. Yet I'm still accumulating information. So
<v Speaker 2>to have all of these things happen in one sighting
<v Speaker 2>where they clearly are communicating intelligently about what I'm gonna do.
<v Speaker 2>If I need your help. This is what you do.
<v Speaker 2>I need to know where you're at in the park,
<v Speaker 2>so you be hitting those lantern posts. And all of
<v Speaker 2>these things were taking place. And then all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>when they were both back there behind that cluster of trees,
<v Speaker 2>I hear woo and it was loud, and I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>never heard an owl yet that whole night that I'm there,
<v Speaker 2>haven't heard an owl at all. And then all of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, I hear a loud one, and I know
<v Speaker 2>it's him. Seven seconds later, woo. Seven seconds later. There
<v Speaker 2>were seventeen owl calls in a row within three minutes,
<v Speaker 2>and they seemed to got louder each time, and we
<v Speaker 2>had at the time, we had someone put it on
<v Speaker 2>a spectrogram, and indeed they were getting louder each time.
<v Speaker 2>So either that owl was just doing it louder each time,
<v Speaker 2>or it was moving closer each time. None of that
<v Speaker 2>made any sense. What does make sense. It was a
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot testing the campsite, and he was getting louder each
<v Speaker 2>time to see if he could get somebody to stir
<v Speaker 2>in the campsite. That's what made sense, And it was
<v Speaker 2>backed up on the spectagram, showing that it got louder
<v Speaker 2>each time. On the seventeenth time, woo, that was the
<v Speaker 2>last one. But what happened after that is they both
<v Speaker 2>broke out of the woodline and come up to the
<v Speaker 2>back of my truck, and I saw both of them.
<v Speaker 2>The big one was walking like this, leaned over with
<v Speaker 2>his arms swinging his arms, his hands were about to
<v Speaker 2>foot off the ground swinging, and the little one was
<v Speaker 2>on his flank, and they actually bumped into each other
<v Speaker 2>as they were both trying to get to the back
<v Speaker 2>corner of my truck. Imagine this being the back corner
<v Speaker 2>of the bed of my truck and you setting in
<v Speaker 2>about where the cab is. They moved to this part
<v Speaker 2>of the truck. The little one moved in behind the
<v Speaker 2>tailgate and ducked down. The big one was standing right
<v Speaker 2>here at the corner of my truck, and I had
<v Speaker 2>a full view of his whole of his whole body
<v Speaker 2>in my side mirror. He grabbed the ladder rack, the
<v Speaker 2>post on the back of my ladder rack, and I
<v Speaker 2>saw his thumb pointing up when he grabbed it. I
<v Speaker 2>saw the hair on his shoulders, his shoulders looked like
<v Speaker 2>bowling balls. I saw the moonlight coming through the hair
<v Speaker 2>on his shoulders, almost like the hair was frothed up,
<v Speaker 2>you know, fluffed up like hackles, so I could see
<v Speaker 2>light coming through the hair on his shoulders. His other
<v Speaker 2>hand grasped the crossbeam on the back of my ladder racks,
<v Speaker 2>and he was looking over the ladder racks. At my campsite,
<v Speaker 2>I had a table with food on it sitting over there.
<v Speaker 2>They never once stepped out from behind the truck. He
<v Speaker 2>positioned himself in a position that placed the truck between
<v Speaker 2>him and what he would be perceived to be the
<v Speaker 2>most imminent danger is somebody coming out of that tent.
<v Speaker 2>He put the truck between him and the tent. Fantastic, fantastic,
<v Speaker 2>and it looked like he was about to break down
<v Speaker 2>the driver's side of my truck, and I immediately went
<v Speaker 2>into panic mode because I thought he was coming down
<v Speaker 2>and my doors weren't locked. Stupid, yes, but I really
<v Speaker 2>didn't think that I would be having an encounter. I
<v Speaker 2>was hoping to have an encounter, but I didn't I
<v Speaker 2>certainly know any of this was going to happen to
<v Speaker 2>this extent, and one of the thoughts in my head
<v Speaker 2>was I just saw him have a thumb and a
<v Speaker 2>hand that grasped the ladder axe just like I would.
<v Speaker 2>And he's coming down to my side of the truck
<v Speaker 2>where I'm just hunkered down behind the driver's door, and
<v Speaker 2>he's got hands. So that's one of the multitude of
<v Speaker 2>many thoughts going through my head at the same simultaneously
<v Speaker 2>in the panic mode of and I didn't want him
<v Speaker 2>to know I was in the truck. I mean, I
<v Speaker 2>did not want him to know I was in the truck.
<v Speaker 2>My heart was racing. I kind of rolled in behind
<v Speaker 2>my A post as I thought he was coming down,
<v Speaker 2>So I thought he was coming down the truck, and
<v Speaker 2>I was in the panic mode. I rolled in behind
<v Speaker 2>my A post and and I could look down and
<v Speaker 2>my chest was going boo boom boo, boom boom boom,
<v Speaker 2>And I actually pulled my back off the seat because
<v Speaker 2>I thought, if he's touching my truck, he can feel
<v Speaker 2>my heart beat. And I didn't want him to know
<v Speaker 2>I was in there, so I'm like, he can't. I
<v Speaker 2>guarantee you, if if, if you could have looked at
<v Speaker 2>the hood of my truck with me in there, with
<v Speaker 2>the way my heart was beating. You could have you
<v Speaker 2>could see the vibration of my heart beating, because I
<v Speaker 2>was you know, that's what I was thinking. Anyway, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, man, I so I pulled my
<v Speaker 2>back off the truck and I was like, oh God, please, don't, please,
<v Speaker 2>don't come, don't come up here. And so while that
<v Speaker 2>was happening imediately, almost immediately with those thought processes going,
<v Speaker 2>the ass end of my truck squatted down, and so
<v Speaker 2>for for that moment, I knew where he was. I
<v Speaker 2>thought he was in the bed of my truck. I
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, he's in the bed of
<v Speaker 2>my truck. My truck was brand new at the time,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm still trying to process everything that's happening. I
<v Speaker 2>hear stuff going on in the back of my truck.
<v Speaker 2>I hear stuff being moved around in the back of
<v Speaker 2>my truck, and I'm thinking he's in the bed of
<v Speaker 2>my truck. Because the ass end of my truck just
<v Speaker 2>squatted like a toad. I was like, he's in my truck.
<v Speaker 2>He's got to be in my truck. And so I'm thinking,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>and I put my hand on my key in the ignition,
<v Speaker 2>and I I said, if I see a crinkle on
<v Speaker 2>the top of my cab, I said, there's no way
<v Speaker 2>this cab is not going to collapse with him on
<v Speaker 2>the top of He was huge, So I was prepared
<v Speaker 2>to start my engine up with a bigfoot in the
<v Speaker 2>bed of my truck if it looked like he was
<v Speaker 2>going to climb under the cab of my truck. But
<v Speaker 2>here's what happened. I immediately heard him rummaging through stuff
<v Speaker 2>in the back of my truck. I heard stuff being
<v Speaker 2>scooted around, so I knew where he was, so I
<v Speaker 2>could have relaxed just at least a moment, at least,
<v Speaker 2>not that he wasn't climbing on the cab of my truck.
<v Speaker 2>So stuff is being looked at in the back of
<v Speaker 2>my truck. And then I have two green propane tanks.
<v Speaker 2>Hold back. I'm going to grab these propane tanks. I
<v Speaker 2>had two propane tanks in the back corner of my
<v Speaker 2>truck with all of these other camping supplies, and I
<v Speaker 2>had a generator. While they're shuffling stuff, scooting stuff around,
<v Speaker 2>looking at stuff in the back of my truck. Now,
<v Speaker 2>remember the little one had moved in behind my tailgate,
<v Speaker 2>so I'm assuming that the little one had stood up.
<v Speaker 2>At this point, I was all curled up behind my apost.
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't looking at nothing, but I hear it stuff
<v Speaker 2>being shuffled around and moved around in the back of
<v Speaker 2>my truck. And then I hear and all activity stopped,
<v Speaker 2>and I heard something was playing with those two tanks
<v Speaker 2>and the sound that they were making. So Nita's to say,
<v Speaker 2>I listened for a little while longer. I heard stuff
<v Speaker 2>moved around. I'm waiting for something to happen. Nothing significant happens,
<v Speaker 2>and then it just kind of peters out and stops.
<v Speaker 2>Whatever was on the truck. It gets off. I don't
<v Speaker 2>feel the pressure on the truck anymore. And then I
<v Speaker 2>hear what I think is that stick hitting another lantern post. Dang,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like like i'd heard before. So I'm like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>they're leaving, they're going going somewhere. They're walking, and it's
<v Speaker 2>back to hitting the lantern post with a stick. What
<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize is that metal that I was hearing
<v Speaker 2>was the two tanks being tapped. He had stole them.
<v Speaker 2>The little one had stole the tanks took them with them,
<v Speaker 2>so the so the second batch of the metal that
<v Speaker 2>I was hearing was the two tanks being and these
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of plastic on them. The tanks back
<v Speaker 2>then were all metal, so so I was so they
<v Speaker 2>took the two little green propane tanks were tapping on
<v Speaker 2>them as they were leaving the area. So the next
<v Speaker 2>day when I get out, I sat there till daylight
<v Speaker 2>waiting for him to come back. Because they had never
<v Speaker 2>come to the front of the truck. I still my
<v Speaker 2>plan was to still, you know, film catch one on camera,
<v Speaker 2>so I thought, maybe they'll come back, and and something
<v Speaker 2>did come back, but I couldn't be sure that it
<v Speaker 2>wasn't rack Coons went to the table and this time
<v Speaker 2>messed with the table so but I couldn't see it
<v Speaker 2>was on the other side of the truck. And I
<v Speaker 2>still wasn't going to shake my truck in case it
<v Speaker 2>was a bigfoot, and I still wanted to come to
<v Speaker 2>the front of my truck, so I still remained quiet
<v Speaker 2>and hoping that my plan would still come to fruition,
<v Speaker 2>and that is I needed one to come to the
<v Speaker 2>front of my truck so I could film through my windshield.
<v Speaker 2>So I stuck to my guns and waited, hoping that
<v Speaker 2>that would happen anyway. So whatever came to the table
<v Speaker 2>ended up leaving, and I don't know what it was.
<v Speaker 2>I thought it may be a second set of bigfoots
<v Speaker 2>that made involved the smaller one. I don't know. Didn't
<v Speaker 2>see anything, so I can't say for sure. But the
<v Speaker 2>next day, in my investigation, and I was trying to
<v Speaker 2>find fingerprints on my truck on the ladder racks, I
<v Speaker 2>was trying to find hairs. There were two smudge marks
<v Speaker 2>on the extreme outsides of my bumper, dirty smudge marks,
<v Speaker 2>and I assumed that it was the big That's where
<v Speaker 2>the big one stepped up onto my bumper when it
<v Speaker 2>squatted down, And the rummaging around in the back of
<v Speaker 2>my truck when I thought he was in the bed
<v Speaker 2>of my truck was clearly him leaning over the ladder
<v Speaker 2>racks messing with stuff. So I don't know if it
<v Speaker 2>was him or the little one that took the tanks,
<v Speaker 2>the little tanks. I just know that that's where the
<v Speaker 2>little one had duck down. So for the if that
<v Speaker 2>little one stood up and the tanks were right there,
<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm just assuming the little one took the tanks,
<v Speaker 2>and he was the one probably hitting the posts coming
<v Speaker 2>into my campsite, so he would be the one most
<v Speaker 2>inquisitive about the sounds they were making. Possibly, So that's
<v Speaker 2>just all speculation. But I did see them. I saw them.
<v Speaker 2>I watched them. His lat muscles went from his armpit
<v Speaker 2>all the way down to his hip. When he turned
<v Speaker 2>and grabbing my ladder rack post, I could see his
<v Speaker 2>lat muscles, you know, Like I said, I saw the
<v Speaker 2>moonlight come through the hair on his shoulders, but the
<v Speaker 2>back muscles. He looked like a bodybuilder. He was lean,
<v Speaker 2>and the ladder racks came to hear on him. He
<v Speaker 2>was looking over the ladder racks at the tent and
<v Speaker 2>they came to as clavical. So I had something I
<v Speaker 2>could measure for his height, So I measured it was
<v Speaker 2>seven foot even the latter ACKs at the top were
<v Speaker 2>seven foot, and he was neck and head taller than that.
<v Speaker 2>That makes him eight and a half foot tall.
<v Speaker 1>Easy. Yeah, that's incredible. And it could be like what
<v Speaker 1>we spoke about earlier, like how they'll try to divert
<v Speaker 1>your attention elsewhere. Maybe something else was going on while
<v Speaker 1>one was clinking the pro paane tanks.
<v Speaker 2>It's hardest saying, well, I don't think they had a
<v Speaker 2>clue that I was in the cab of the truck.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they had a clue, or the big
<v Speaker 2>one would have certainly never stood there for me to
<v Speaker 2>get to see his whole body.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point too.
<v Speaker 2>So every activity that I had there I think we
<v Speaker 2>can attribute as what they would do if they think
<v Speaker 2>they're alone. It was very stealthy.
<v Speaker 1>So this is what they do when they think no
<v Speaker 1>one's around. They come out in the open and they're
<v Speaker 1>pretty confident and.
<v Speaker 2>Still placed the truck with beween him in case somebody
<v Speaker 2>comes out of.
<v Speaker 1>The ten Like you see people show evidence like where
<v Speaker 1>you'll see like this big handprint like on the side
<v Speaker 1>of like a house or like on a window, and
<v Speaker 1>it's like they've obviously been in the yard. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's incredible. Yeah, they do when they think no one's around.
<v Speaker 2>But my entire encounter I laid out where I show
<v Speaker 2>where it happened in the park. I've got pictures from
<v Speaker 2>in the park where I think it's the big male
<v Speaker 2>and the juvenile. I got pictures while I was in
<v Speaker 2>the campsite close up on a camera where it's but anyways,
<v Speaker 2>it's washed out white. But I lay it all out there.
<v Speaker 2>I show the pictures, I play the audio of the
<v Speaker 2>owls of them. It was the recording of them doing
<v Speaker 2>the alcohols. And I'm you know, I'm like you tech heavy.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what it's going to call for us,
<v Speaker 2>being tech heavy and let equipment that gets better and
<v Speaker 2>better and better over time do the work for us.
<v Speaker 2>But we still have to be where they're I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you can't take that off the table. You're not going
<v Speaker 2>to get any big foot stuf if you're not putting
<v Speaker 2>yourself out where the bigfoots are. Do everything you can
<v Speaker 2>to get the better checked until we get this thing solved.
<v Speaker 1>I go with what I know and experience in the past.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people say, oh, they're never going to
<v Speaker 1>show themselves if you have a camera, They're never going
<v Speaker 1>to show themselves. If you have a rifle and you're
<v Speaker 1>out there hunting. But that's when I've had the experiences.
<v Speaker 1>I'd be out there rifle hunting or bow hunting, or
<v Speaker 1>one night they showed up around my house and it
<v Speaker 1>was nighttime and I had a spotlight and you can
<v Speaker 1>just see a bunch of eyes bobbing up and down.
<v Speaker 1>I thought, that's dear, that's dear for sure, because the
<v Speaker 1>spotlight went penetrated into the woods across the yard and
<v Speaker 1>one of the sets of eyes went up to about
<v Speaker 1>I kid you, not like twelve thirteen feet. It rose
<v Speaker 1>like an elevator. And then another one came from the
<v Speaker 1>opposite direction. I heard it for a few minutes until
<v Speaker 1>he crossed this clearing and it was a big gray
<v Speaker 1>white one. But whenever I had that spotlight out, I
<v Speaker 1>had my camera out the whole time, but the camera
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know how to run the camera on manual
<v Speaker 1>to where you set like the ISO the shutter speed,
<v Speaker 1>so it was on auto and it just looked pitch
<v Speaker 1>black even with the spotlight. But I even flipped it
<v Speaker 1>on night vision, like they didn't care that I had
<v Speaker 1>a camera, Like they did what they I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>They were up to something. They didn't care what I
<v Speaker 1>was doing. They probably knew I was there, but I
<v Speaker 1>don't know.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's weird, I mean, and there's nothing you
<v Speaker 2>can do about it. I can hardly take what anybody says,
<v Speaker 2>because that's their experience, and a lot of times and
<v Speaker 2>experience is skewered. It's skewered with how you took in
<v Speaker 2>your information, your emotions, what medications you're on, your your
<v Speaker 2>emotional quote quotient. You know how I'm telling you, there
<v Speaker 2>are so many things that's going to influence the fear
<v Speaker 2>that you're under when things happen, in your excitement level,
<v Speaker 2>and how you interpret things, you know, And that's kind
<v Speaker 2>of why I gravitated towards Shane. I mean, he's like
<v Speaker 2>me when it comes to you know, all of the
<v Speaker 2>training that he's done with the you know, the martial
<v Speaker 2>arts and the MMA and all that kind of stuff.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you go in, you initially would go in
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of fear of who your opponent is.
<v Speaker 2>Am I going to get hurt? You had to learn
<v Speaker 2>to control that. And there's a lot of self discipline.
<v Speaker 2>If you are not a self disciplined person, you're going
<v Speaker 2>to struggle in this arena. And that's why I told
<v Speaker 2>you I was glad to see you working on some
<v Speaker 2>self disciplined things that that because you hone your skills
<v Speaker 2>and yourself disciplining yourself in certain areas, then calming yourself
<v Speaker 2>down when shit gets dicey out here is almost easy
<v Speaker 2>if you've gone through you know, quitting smoking and stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And it can go both ways, like if
<v Speaker 1>you win in the arena, you can let it get
<v Speaker 1>to your head where you don't train enough anymore because
<v Speaker 1>you think you're the big dog on the block and
<v Speaker 1>then get hurt later on. But you also have to
<v Speaker 1>deal with losing and being okay with losing, like how
<v Speaker 1>am I going to come back and come out on
<v Speaker 1>top next time and avoid this from happening. And it's
<v Speaker 1>the same way out here, like when you miss stuff
<v Speaker 1>and you do have the gear, like how do I
<v Speaker 1>how can I fin that? Can I fix that? What
<v Speaker 1>kind of gear can I get together? I had the recorders,
<v Speaker 1>but why didn't I have it ready? Or it happens
<v Speaker 1>and you're in shock and you don't even think about
<v Speaker 1>grabbing your camera or anything. You're just so tuned in
<v Speaker 1>your brain's trying to figure out what the heck is that.
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes it takes like weeks or even months after
<v Speaker 1>it happened to be like that was a freaking bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>and you start hearing other people talk about the same thing,
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, that's probably what that was. You don't
<v Speaker 1>always think about it.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've made changes to my thermal camera. Like
<v Speaker 2>there were times when wanting to go through the brush,
<v Speaker 2>I would have my thermal camera on top of a
<v Speaker 2>walking stick, very difficult and pitch dark with nothing but
<v Speaker 2>branches and briers and thickets to try to get that
<v Speaker 2>thing through things that just catching on everything. So now
<v Speaker 2>I've made it to where I can just pop the
<v Speaker 2>camera out, drop the whole walking stick, and go through
<v Speaker 2>some tight spaces with me just hand holding the little camera.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, so if you're not making changes to
<v Speaker 2>help you get what you want, then don't be surprised
<v Speaker 2>if you're not moving forward.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you could have all the year that you need,
<v Speaker 1>but if you don't have everything fine tuned, all the
<v Speaker 1>settings got, you're not gonna capture what you want. Because
<v Speaker 1>I've also had my auditor recorders where they're turned all
<v Speaker 1>the way up and just everything just sounds too supert. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it sucks. Everything's got to be right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, get yourself out where they're at, learn your equipment,
<v Speaker 2>and constantly make adjustments. One of these days we're gonna
<v Speaker 2>get lucky, you know, because we're because we're doing that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, And eventually, if you do this long enough,
<v Speaker 1>the stars will align. But you've got to be prepared
<v Speaker 1>when it happens. But for those who don't know who
<v Speaker 1>Shane is, he's got a video on Amazon, I believe
<v Speaker 1>or some other outlets about a property called the four hundred,
<v Speaker 1>and he's found a lot of evidence out there. You've
<v Speaker 1>joined up with them, and you guys have come across
<v Speaker 1>a lot of neat and interesting things along the way.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I mean, it's a very very
<v Speaker 2>unique situation. I can't be for sure it's the same
<v Speaker 2>as it is now out because things change. Uh, family
<v Speaker 2>dynamics of the bigfoots change. Uh. You know, we've already
<v Speaker 2>lived through the first set of juvenile siblings that we
<v Speaker 2>had wonderful activity with, I mean, and and now that
<v Speaker 2>they've moved on, grown up and moved on and been
<v Speaker 2>replaced by younger ones, we've got, you know, got different
<v Speaker 2>evidence out there. But it's not the same that it's
<v Speaker 2>not the same demeanor, it's not the same. They don't
<v Speaker 2>seem to be as coming in as close as the
<v Speaker 2>first two juveniles did, even though it's the same mother,
<v Speaker 2>same father.
<v Speaker 1>Uh maybe they're curiosity the levels different because they've learned
<v Speaker 1>from the previous ones.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who knows, who knows? Who knows? I mean, the
<v Speaker 2>footprints are still being found, you know. Shane just had
<v Speaker 2>a green marble left at the baiting station, you know.
<v Speaker 2>So so there's still stuff going on, just not not
<v Speaker 2>not what we were used to. So you know, maybe
<v Speaker 2>it'll change. I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>You guys have found a lot of tracks out there,
<v Speaker 1>oh yeh.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Shane's found a lot of tracks.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And one time, you know, it was while I was
<v Speaker 2>out there. It had rained the night before, the day before,
<v Speaker 2>and then Shane was out there looking and he come
<v Speaker 2>running into camp. You got any hydro cow And I
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, I got a whole box up in
<v Speaker 2>my vehicle. I gotta go get it with HER's some tracks.
<v Speaker 2>There's some new tracks. So there was a nice trackway
<v Speaker 2>that was found the night that we were there. The
<v Speaker 2>next morning they were found. So so yeah, most of
<v Speaker 2>the time Shane will go down there on his weekends
<v Speaker 2>and stuff and check things out and come across things
<v Speaker 2>to try to establish what patterns are there. But it
<v Speaker 2>is what it is. I've been lucky with a lot
<v Speaker 2>of a lot of foot foot tracks.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's cool, and you guys casted those.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Shane's got probably probably one hundred one hundred of
<v Speaker 2>them casting over four years, where you see the same
<v Speaker 2>tracks getting bigger and bigger and changing as they got
<v Speaker 2>to twelve inches from starting at seven or eight inches.
<v Speaker 2>So they look very human when they're the smaller ones,
<v Speaker 2>which is why they're hard to find, because you're going
<v Speaker 2>to assume they're human. And then as they start to
<v Speaker 2>get around eleven twelve, they start changed to the more flat,
<v Speaker 2>big robust for the body weight type changes that make
<v Speaker 2>some physical changes in the foot.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm assuming they're found by like a lake
<v Speaker 1>or a pond.
<v Speaker 2>Or in some mudflats, a creek, a spring fed creek
<v Speaker 2>that you had some exposed mud flats in the hot
<v Speaker 2>summer months as water retreats, and it's in those mud flats.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because most of Missouri is.
<v Speaker 2>Hard, Yeah, a lot of rock. So that that's why
<v Speaker 2>this place was so lucky.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Okay, have you encountered them again after that incident.
<v Speaker 2>After the park? Well, I mean when when I caught
<v Speaker 2>a juvenile at Bennett Springs in twenty thirteen and I
<v Speaker 2>witnessed a behavior that paid off for us later at
<v Speaker 2>the four hundred when I saw all the same behavior
<v Speaker 2>of a little heat signature out in the field, and
<v Speaker 2>I watched it and it did the same thing that
<v Speaker 2>happened when I saw that juvenile at Bennett Springs, and
<v Speaker 2>I told Shane, I said, that's one right out there.
<v Speaker 2>I said, it's doing the same thing that one did
<v Speaker 2>in two thought. And so Shane starts going out there,
<v Speaker 2>and it was a juvenile and that's that's when he
<v Speaker 2>walked out on the juvenile got about eight foot away,
<v Speaker 2>shine to light in its face. So that was all
<v Speaker 2>culminated because of if because of the behavior that I
<v Speaker 2>had captured in twenty thirteen, I recognized that as behavior
<v Speaker 2>of it just a little heat signature out there in
<v Speaker 2>the field, you know, to watch it long enough to
<v Speaker 2>see what it does, and then and correlate it to
<v Speaker 2>the other behavior and say that's a bigfoot because of
<v Speaker 2>what it's doing and how it's doing it. And for
<v Speaker 2>him to go out there and shine to light in
<v Speaker 2>its face when he got there confirmed all of that
<v Speaker 2>that happened before that. To put the patterns together works.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the little things that you pick up on
<v Speaker 1>and learn.
<v Speaker 2>So that, I mean, that's what we'll do tonight. You
<v Speaker 2>and I go walking around. I mean I'm looking for
<v Speaker 2>any little heat signature, and a lot of times we
<v Speaker 2>got a star and let my camera watch them while
<v Speaker 2>we and if they move a particular way, we're gonna
<v Speaker 2>throw the headsets on and you're gonna go in there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, absolutely, I'll be like little to your left,
<v Speaker 2>little to your right, all right, he's right there behind
<v Speaker 2>that brush. Turn your light on.
<v Speaker 1>Cool. Yeah, I'm game, and I'll film you, Okay, whatever
<v Speaker 1>you want to do. Man, what's the goals for this
<v Speaker 1>evening and for this trip with the coming days? We're
<v Speaker 1>gonna throw up the hotel. Is that what it's called. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the hotel thermal drone. And you have the audio recorders
<v Speaker 1>and logs, we're gonna deploy those.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I gotta keep one for camp. I need to
<v Speaker 2>hear what's happening around my tent at night. So that's
<v Speaker 2>the one with the cord. But the other two we
<v Speaker 2>can set out in strategic locations. But yeah, yeah, if
<v Speaker 2>we find a good spot, say like down by a
<v Speaker 2>creek or something, and be like, hey, this is a
<v Speaker 2>good spot, we'll just leave it there. And then pick
<v Speaker 2>them up tomorrow or whatever. Basically just to see what
<v Speaker 2>kind of traffic's moving through. You know, if something's coming
<v Speaker 2>through to get to our campsite or something like that,
<v Speaker 2>then it'll be monitored more than once. It'll be monitored
<v Speaker 2>coming up the creek or down the creek and coming
<v Speaker 2>across this way, and then my recorder here will pick
<v Speaker 2>up when it gets here if it gets here and
<v Speaker 2>does something, so maybe we'll find an egress an entrance
<v Speaker 2>and an egress location using other recorders. Who knows, it's
<v Speaker 2>just just a hit and miss cat and mouse kind
<v Speaker 2>of thing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so about you. But like when you when we
<v Speaker 1>were doing that interview, do you hear the little things
<v Speaker 1>behind you, like a little just little yeah, little little things.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying yeah, I mean yeah, it's until I
<v Speaker 2>get my log out and I can really hear what's
<v Speaker 2>going on further out of our hearing range. That's where
<v Speaker 2>I need to be hearing. Uh. Yeah, I mean it's
<v Speaker 2>just I can't. I can't differentiate between just about anything
<v Speaker 2>falling out of a tree until I can get further
<v Speaker 2>away and then hear it much louder, because the pair
<v Speaker 2>of louder it.
<v Speaker 1>All seems to be happening behind you though.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's significant that I said that from being
<v Speaker 2>when I was in the hammock, I was like, what's
<v Speaker 2>going on down there?
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? So, what do you think these creatures are? Beings, creatures,
<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to call him?
<v Speaker 2>I think the only logical answer is that there's some
<v Speaker 2>kind of intelligent human, hominid, human, hamid, hybrid and whatever.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the science doesn't matter to me what science says,
<v Speaker 2>or even somebody trying to be scientific. They think like
<v Speaker 2>a human, they plan like a human, They know their
<v Speaker 2>actions have consequences if they get it wrong. All of
<v Speaker 2>that says human to me. And given what they look like.
<v Speaker 2>When I first saw that big one, it looked like
<v Speaker 2>a gorilla. He walked like a gorilla, he was stooped
<v Speaker 2>over like a gorilla, I'm thinking it's a gorilla. Didn't
<v Speaker 2>take me long after that to realize that they are
<v Speaker 2>far from guerrillas. You know, we better start thinking about
<v Speaker 2>what's between the ears and not just what the body
<v Speaker 2>looks like. Yeah, they're super intelligent communicate well, with all
<v Speaker 2>the communications that I even described with my encounter, just
<v Speaker 2>the that means they've had they had to sit down
<v Speaker 2>and have a discussion about what to do, what it
<v Speaker 2>means when I need you to do it. It's just
<v Speaker 2>you can't do that without language. So that's that's on
<v Speaker 2>the table. There's certainly language, the mimicry, the nonverbal communications,
<v Speaker 2>the incredible repertoire of nonverbal communications, you know, you know,
<v Speaker 2>of course, I talked to somebody who said that she
<v Speaker 2>was watching one a female eating some fruits off of
<v Speaker 2>a tree, and she said she had two little twins.
<v Speaker 2>She said they had to have been twins because they
<v Speaker 2>were the same size. It looked like maybe three or
<v Speaker 2>four year old human children, but covered in hair, and
<v Speaker 2>they were. She said they were kind of frolicking around
<v Speaker 2>the tree while the female was eating fruit, kicking off
<v Speaker 2>the tree, jumping up and kicking off the tree, and
<v Speaker 2>kind of tussling with each other, just like you would
<v Speaker 2>expect kids to be doing. And she said they started
<v Speaker 2>to wander quite a distance away, and she said that
<v Speaker 2>female never stopped eating with the one hand, but took
<v Speaker 2>her other hand and slapped her thigh, and immediately each
<v Speaker 2>one of moran back, and each one grabbed some of
<v Speaker 2>the hairs on her leg, on each leg. That suggests
<v Speaker 2>to me that they discipline their young, that they discipline
<v Speaker 2>them in a way where there is no question. You
<v Speaker 2>get over here. When I say get over here, they
<v Speaker 2>probably got in their butt swatted. They probably got in
<v Speaker 2>the back of their headcuffed till they learned when I
<v Speaker 2>do that, that means you get over here, and there's
<v Speaker 2>no questions asked. And we found that at the four
<v Speaker 2>hundred with the sticks being dug, where the holes are
<v Speaker 2>being dug by that one with the six centch tracks,
<v Speaker 2>every one of the holes had a stick left in
<v Speaker 2>the hole with dirt still on the stick. What is
<v Speaker 2>going on there? I said, something has to be happening
<v Speaker 2>in mid stroke for them to leave immediately. That means
<v Speaker 2>that little one is entertaining himself digging holes while mom
<v Speaker 2>is doing something getting fruits off the pop all trees,
<v Speaker 2>looking for crowdeds. And every time she says she may
<v Speaker 2>not even say it's time to go. She may just
<v Speaker 2>start walking away, and he's been disciplined enough to just
<v Speaker 2>leave the stick and go with her. That's what every
<v Speaker 2>one of them holes would suggest that the hole is
<v Speaker 2>left mid play. And the only way that's working is
<v Speaker 2>because there's a discipline, discipline involved and there's no questions asked.
<v Speaker 2>You would think that you would find the stick carried
<v Speaker 2>away and dropped somewhere else, but it's always left in
<v Speaker 2>the hole, like it's in the midstroke got to go
<v Speaker 2>And well, why are you so afraid that you got
<v Speaker 2>to leave the stick there every time? Well, I think
<v Speaker 2>they're disciplined.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a good point about the discipline because
<v Speaker 1>if you listen to the Sierra Sounds, they're bickering back
<v Speaker 1>and forth with the little one and mom like someone's
<v Speaker 1>in trouble by the bigger one, and Ron moorehead talks
<v Speaker 1>about how he was cooking up a big pot. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>the little ones are coming in and the older male
<v Speaker 1>is going to discipline them, and then you hear the
<v Speaker 1>female probably trying and protect the little ones from getting
<v Speaker 1>smacked upside the head. But I mean, it's hard to
<v Speaker 1>say what really happened.
<v Speaker 2>But did you hear the audio that we got at
<v Speaker 2>the four hundred, No, it's got that that that argument
<v Speaker 2>that you're talking about then shows the little one and
<v Speaker 2>the mom argued.
<v Speaker 1>We got that really like the chattering the uh you
<v Speaker 1>want to hear it?
<v Speaker 2>You got to hear it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, Well that's cool.
<v Speaker 2>And it was it was it was at a time
<v Speaker 2>we found the six inch tracks, so we know there's
<v Speaker 2>a little one there and it sounds just like the
<v Speaker 2>Sierra sounds. So we're thinking that that little one was
<v Speaker 2>being chastised by mom somehow and they were kind of bickering. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but uh, just you can see his head and shoulders
<v Speaker 2>sitting on the ground.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, that looks up right if you want
<v Speaker 1>just hold it up to the camera if you want
<v Speaker 1>to show that. I can sider here.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not that great. It's like it's not that great.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where we are not.
<v Speaker 2>Like this audio. So I find this audio.
<v Speaker 1>M hm, yeah, that's very interesting.
<v Speaker 2>You can hear a little chirping in there too, like
<v Speaker 2>it's the little one, like mom is scolding it, and
<v Speaker 2>you hear you're hearing some chirps. That's exactly what you'd
<v Speaker 2>hear on the seer of sounds.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you hear like the bigger one at first,
<v Speaker 1>and it's the.
<v Speaker 2>One going like boy getting no more last nerve.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's kind of what I was thinking too.
<v Speaker 1>And then you got like that bickering back and forth
<v Speaker 1>where it's scolding the.
<v Speaker 2>Little one possibly and that's the day that the female
<v Speaker 2>producer was using the restroom and saw the little one
<v Speaker 2>running down the creek. So the little one was getting caught.
<v Speaker 2>Mom was probably over that shit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Whenever I seen that juvenile, he scraried
<v Speaker 1>on all fours, hid behind a note treo, and like
<v Speaker 1>in slow motion, I just saw like a jet black
<v Speaker 1>arm and I was like, oh man, I've seen that before.
<v Speaker 1>Whatever it is, it's gone now. I missed whatever it was.
<v Speaker 1>And I was just staring at the tree that it
<v Speaker 1>hid behind. And then he just stepped out, but he
<v Speaker 1>was looking away from me. I was just sitting there
<v Speaker 1>watching him the whole time, and he turned towards me,
<v Speaker 1>and when he saw me, his eyes shot open like
<v Speaker 1>he just saw Dean.
<v Speaker 2>He looked.
<v Speaker 1>He shot down like that like a fish like that
<v Speaker 1>spooks in the water. Like he was gone that fast,
<v Speaker 1>and you didn't hear like like it run off. Like
<v Speaker 1>when he hid behind that tree, he was gone. It
<v Speaker 1>was like a Houdini move. So I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>he kept the tree in between me and like scrayed
<v Speaker 1>away like a spider silently, or what the heck happened?
<v Speaker 1>Fact Yeah, but yeah, he was just shocked. I can't believe.
<v Speaker 2>Let's just get our own damn story tonight. Yeah, let's
<v Speaker 2>get something good. So absolutely so we'll have a good
<v Speaker 2>story to do.
<v Speaker 1>Let's get to work. I want to set up the
<v Speaker 1>audio recorders and make sure we're ready to go. All right, Randy,
<v Speaker 1>thank you very much for sharing your encounters, your experiences,
<v Speaker 1>and the tactics that you use out in the field.
<v Speaker 1>I often wonder with people that live out in forested areas,
<v Speaker 1>whenever they go to bed at night, if the sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>come out to their yards, look into the trash cans,
<v Speaker 1>peek through the windows, and rummage around. I think it's possible,
<v Speaker 1>and they know when we're asleep. I hear a lot
<v Speaker 1>of encounter stories where people fall asleep in their tents
<v Speaker 1>and that's when these things come out. Randy's encounter story
<v Speaker 1>was pretty interesting, and it sounds like the sasquatch had
<v Speaker 1>no idea that he was in the tent. But from
<v Speaker 1>my experience, they normally know if you're around. Maybe it
<v Speaker 1>thought that Randy was asleep, and that could be possibly
<v Speaker 1>what happened. Randy has a typical researcher's mentality whenever it
<v Speaker 1>comes to these creatures, and he believes it's some type
<v Speaker 1>of unknown hominid or primate species. As you guys know,
<v Speaker 1>I do believe there's a paranormal aspect behind it, but
<v Speaker 1>nonetheless I do believe they are flesh and blood. I
<v Speaker 1>appreciate everyone for tuning in today and following the channel
<v Speaker 1>until the next one. Be safe, everyone, and take care.