Ep. 306: Which Full-Size Truck Is BEST? Ford vs GM vs Toyota vs Ram!

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to an epic kfl talking trucks podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is more exciting than usual because in this podcast, we're actually in person with all four half-ton trucks from Toyota, Ford, Ram, and GMC.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, this is the best selling segment.
[SPEAKER_01]: have done full-size trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is part of our 126 TFL trucks truck of the year competition.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what we want to do in this podcast is actually show you every truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: This represents all of them, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And also,
[SPEAKER_01]: Pick our favorite, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just based on the utility and some of the features.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is going to be tough to do because these trucks are similar in some ways, but also very different in how they're optioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: So some of them are very premium.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are a little bit more basic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in today's podcast, especially if you're watching it in video form, we're going to walk through all the features on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll do our best to describe everything for those who are listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's start off with the GMCCR and the way that we're going to do things is we're going to walk around the exterior, talk about utility.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we'll go into the interior, talk a little bit about technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll do that for each truck starting with the Sierra.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the end, we'll try to pick our favorite.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like you said, it's going to be difficult to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, we're doing a lot more testing with these trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So part of TFL trucks, truck of the year, is a gauntlet world toughest towing test.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, Denver, 100 MPG loop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Field economy is important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Heck yeah, and also performance testing, I call it, I'm using air quotes, performance testing, which is also a drag race.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quarter mile, which is arguably less important to a lot of people, but it is fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is coming very soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So starting next week, if you're listening to this kind of in real time, when this episode launches, in real time, in about what six to seven days from now,
[SPEAKER_01]: followed by drag racing and then we'll announce the truck of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's with these exact four trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first truck that we're looking at is a GMCC era, the particular one that they sent us, because basically you did the heavy lifting to talk to all the manufacturers and get them to send us trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they can only send us, picking from what they have and what they have available.
[SPEAKER_00]: The GMCCR they sent us is top of the food chain in their lineup.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is the Denali ultimate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Denali name is not new, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been around for over two decades.
[SPEAKER_01]: Long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the ultimate was kind of a package a couple years back, but now it's kind of almost its own trim and it's really taking kind of their luxury
[SPEAKER_01]: pick up truck game to the next level and what this truck is equipped with is a 6.2 litre V8, but they have a wide range of engine options for their GM trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do, including the 3 litre Duramax, which is an awesome option.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's pop the hood really quick, you do the same thing on every truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll go ahead and look under the hood now, as most people who have been following the news know, there are recalls out there on 6.2s.
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, every manufacturer too, yeah, actually it's not the only engine that we're talking about today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That has a recall out for it, but when they're functioning, the way that they're supposed to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of a powerhouse of an engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little old school that's naturally aspirated, but 420 horsepower, 460 pound feet of torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: It still feels great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this GMCCR 1500 also kind of represents
[SPEAKER_01]: This Chevy Silverado 1500.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're very very close to related specifically on their mechanicals But they're a little bit more separate than they ever have been in terms of style and in terms of features and also pricing We'll go over about pricing as well specific to each truck but dude Before this week of testing I was thinking this engine is a little bit old because it's been around for like five or six or more years in this current iteration
[SPEAKER_01]: But after driving it for a couple of days, it sounds great, it feels good, I mean, this, this power train is nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it performs pretty well.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to spoil too much of the testing that we did.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you might think that this may be stronger than most on MPG, fun fact it actually didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did not.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was not the worst of the truck sound field economy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little surprisingly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Part of that might be because not only does this have a 10-speed most of these trucks have a 10-speed, but the rear-end ratio on this is a 323.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the most
[SPEAKER_00]: fuel economy-minded axle ratio of any of these trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly precisely, and obviously as we move along from ram and then the four-ton Toyota Tundra, we'll talk about those specific differences, but just really quickly, the engine line up in the GM 1500.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it all starts with a 2.7-liter turbo max is what they call it, which is a
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it moves up also there is also a 5-3 V8 still with a 10-speed and there is like you said the 3-liter Dermax which is kind of their efficiency game and also that engine the 3-liter Dermax won the half-ton diesel battle because it's the only diesel available now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly so that makes it a unique option and for the majority of the testing that we did in this truck of the year competition I actually think that the 3-liter Dermax
[SPEAKER_00]: would have done really well, not to say again that this six-two performed poorly, but I think in a lot of our testing, the 3-liter Dermax actually would have done better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could have been the King of MPG.
[SPEAKER_01]: pretty much because we do it on the highway as a highway test and it also could have done really well on the towing test.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not maybe the quickest track of them all.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but but it's very efficient and very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and very torquey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's keep moving around and talk about a little bit more of a style and also payload and towing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say my personal feeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the best looking truck of the four from really from the outside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like the look of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about the chrome recovery hooks tow hooks?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I like the fact that this GMCCR actually gives you some recovery points on the front end because not all of these do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this truck is an interesting combination of some chrome, some bright work.
[SPEAKER_00]: The grill, however, is blacked out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really dark.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dark, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of contrast, which I kind of like.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some chrome on the mirrors around the windows, on the side steps.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they mixed it up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not everything is blacked out and not everything is chrome.
[SPEAKER_00]: It gives it a modern look because it's not all chrome.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I would kind of an analogy I might use.
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of a lean bodybuilder wearing a tuxedo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could see the muscle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like, if you put on a tuxedo right now, I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a little bit muscular, but also very, very, like, quite well dressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is definitely a well dressed truck through and through.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks really sharp.
[SPEAKER_00]: The color of this particular truck is kind of a steely blue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a really nice color.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the only truck here that isn't gray or whiteish.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: it stands out a little bit because of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an in your face color at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then this truck being in Denali, ultimate and being a little more on the luxurious ad has a 22 inch wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is a little bigger than maybe we'd spec if we were picking out a truck, but it makes sense for this trend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, by the way, when I really asked manufacturers to submit trucks for some of our testing, I kind of asked kind of from middle of the road,
[SPEAKER_01]: sort of more technology and towing-minded trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But of course, like you said, I mean, there's limitations on what pickup trucks are available.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I was packing out a truck like this year, I'll probably choose like a 20 or maybe 18 inch wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, get more tire, more tire under it, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense having a bigger wheel on this trim.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it is that ultra luxury spec.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is definitely the highest end truck and the most expensive of any of the four here, which we'll talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the rear, we've got, of course, a multi-pro tailgate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's nothing particularly new.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one does have the kicker speaker system built into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Inside of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is basically fully loaded with every feature in every option.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know if you were tailgating I'm sure it would be fun to have the speakers back here it does make me wonder about tailgates get beat up a lot yeah i would imagine that this is a pretty expensive piece to replace you know once again think about the tuxedo okay i'm thinking like like you're going to a gala and you want to you know
[SPEAKER_01]: tailgates with a little bit of music.
[SPEAKER_00]: You take a truck to a lot of gallows Andre.
[SPEAKER_00]: No way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not recently, anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Andre, you've got your ladder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how many podcasts do you know that actually use props like ladders?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: not that many yeah so this ladder is here because we're filming something else and we need it a high vantage point for that but I figured this would be an excellent kind of a size comparison right because this bed is a this is a short bed I'm using ear quotes again because
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a short bed and then there's a longer bed option on all of these trucks, but this is 5-foot 8-inch Which is actually a little bit more than some other trucks So I'm gonna see I want to see if this ladder fits in the other trucks as well because it Basically just fits in this bed something I love in the bed of the GMC and this is true of some Chevy products as well is all of the tie downs
[SPEAKER_00]: not only several on the side, so there's three in the front corner of each, just at the bed, three in the rear corner of each side of the bed, but there's also two towards the center of the bed right up against the bulkhead.
[SPEAKER_00]: which is really nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I figured you would point to side because you and Alex often carry motorcycles.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is great, especially these cutouts in the front of the bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and those center tie downs especially because if you're putting two motorcycles in the bed of a truck a lot of the time, you'll have to run a strap through maybe the wheel or the suspension of the other bike to get to the tie downs that are all the way on the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Having those tie downs in the center is really convenient for that specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then more tight-ounds are better, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this bed, the interior of this bed is lined not in steel, like many other GM 1500s, but because it's a little bit a fancier truck, this is kind of a carbon composite bed, which, actually, you know what, I thought it might be slippery, because it's kind of cold right now, but it's not slippery at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not a bad material for the most part.
[SPEAKER_00]: One complaint or critique maybe I have heard from a couple of people is trying to put a tonal cover or a top or on the truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the bed rail is not, oh, can you show that with your fingers here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the bed rail is not typical, so you can't, but we're easily get a clamp.
[SPEAKER_00]: Underneath it.
[SPEAKER_00]: On here, I have to make some companies have figured out solutions for still putting some of those accessories on here, but this will maybe limit
[SPEAKER_00]: be a mount that you can shop for.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's worth consideration.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So absolutely thank you for putting that out because I kind of forgot that element of this particular bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish they would correct it, you know, in the future sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it doesn't seem necessary for them to have this angle on that, that keeps you from easily putting clamps on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: something else impressive about this truck though is even though it is top-end, it's very luxurious, it's got all the features, still got 1,500 pounds of payload.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just under that, what, like, 14.994 something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so I was surprised when I thought it because I thought,
[SPEAKER_01]: After you load up the formal drive system and all the V8 engine and the leather will show you that in a second That the payload with software and go down to like a thousand pounds, but it didn't which is which is pretty cool We don't pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should talk about touring capacity just really quick
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, can you help me with this ladder showing the move it to the ram?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, most of the trucks that are here sit right around 11,000 pounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, going.
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously it's going to depend on how you configure each truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Has wheels this ladder?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well fancy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's see about the fitment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, later.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little later, but what's the towing figure on the GMC?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it depends on the trim, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, I think, why you and I still have jobs is because you cannot assume that 11,000 or 13,000 pound number applies to every trim level, just, you just can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you, when you select the Denali Ultimate, and I think it's actually limited
[SPEAKER_01]: So the tire profile and the wheel profile of this truck is rated at about 9,000 or 9,200 pounds of towing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so of the four that we're talking about, this is the lowest towing rating because, like I mentioned, most of the other trucks are sitting right around 11.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's mostly because of this trim, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because GM is actually if you selected the high
[SPEAKER_01]: towing package with towing mirrors and a different axle ratio, that would be about 13,000, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could select this truck in a different configuration.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that would make it significantly more towing capable, at least as far as how they rated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to go ahead and jump into the inside?
[SPEAKER_00]: We should.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this is going to be quite nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's arguably...
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: is the way that this interior is laid out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because not every truck and even not every car company gets luxury totally, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This truck does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before I jump in this seat, it's worth checking out the material, the textures, the piping, the stitching.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've even got a little bit of a topographical map built into the leather.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a badge at the top of the seat that says ultimate.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's two tones, so it's not only this beautiful,
[SPEAKER_01]: Baseball glove dark brown leather, but on the backs of the seats, it's black, so there's some contrast there as well These seats are really pretty So this is the only truck In the class that does not have a full-panoramic sunroof option and I think it's partially because This T1 generation of the pickup truck for GM came out But right before what is it 2019 to 2020 time frame?
[SPEAKER_01]: which was before the other trucks were redesigned, a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I don't know if that was fashionable back then, but this has a regular center.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would argue that's one of the things that makes it feel maybe a little less luxurious, maybe not quite as modern.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like your start-stop button though, which is huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got at least kind of a metallic appearance to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've still got physical switches for the climate controls, which I like, that shows that they didn't cheap out on that same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your headlights switch on this truck is actually a physical dial rather than being built in in the screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So regular switches for formal drive and drive modes and also headlamps.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're used to that from before, this truck has it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then the layout of the interior is all pretty good for the most part.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a relatively old school console mounted shifter, which we like.
[SPEAKER_00]: The trailer-break controller is in kind of an interesting spot, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not hard to find, but it's ergonomically maybe a little bit awkward, because it's right in front of the center console.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think since you're resting your arm kind of here anyways on the center console, you could actually get used to this because your hand is kind of resting in the area anyways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think it's a huge problem, or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a little different.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to make one comment about
[SPEAKER_01]: CarPlay and kind of the connectivity technology.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've noticed I've driven all these trucks recently this week and there is two places buying my
[SPEAKER_01]: house where the wireless connectivity with the car play drops out interest and they're very repeatable it drops out at the same places every single time and it happens in the Ford and the GM Ford worse than GM and I was thinking I'm losing my mind like what is going on and why is it dropping out and I found out that there is a fire station and
[SPEAKER_01]: in both locations where it drops out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm wondering if some of these systems are reacting to some of the communication equipment in the fire stations, and that's why they drop out, which is kind of weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting that the tech is not infallible.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this truck does something on the tech front that none of the others do,
[SPEAKER_00]: which is supercrews that works with a trailer hooked up and that is impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I would still, so you can kind of see the I monitor here on the center steering column right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a light on the steering wheel with kind of communicates to the driver when the system is engaged.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you get a little green bar when it's active.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also like a blue bar when it's active, but it wants you to take over, and then there's also red light that flashes or stays on when it just says, you gotta take over now, so there's all those elements, I just drove here on i25 this morning, there's some construction there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the systems, even though this is one of the best, I agree with you, is how it performs.
[SPEAKER_01]: It still didn't do such a great job in the construction areas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, they're definitely not perfect, but even if you're the kind of person that is wary of technology like that, it's worth
[SPEAKER_00]: If you get the opportunity testing it out in a vehicle like this because like you said supercruis especially is very refined and very capable enough so that even when we have a trailer linked up
[SPEAKER_00]: For the most part, I'm not worried about engaging it with a trailer hooked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be fine with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going through a construction zone, I would say that's a potential thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the super cruise has existed for what five or six or seven years, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've improved it over time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so I'm expecting it to get better and better every single year.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it seems like it's plateaued, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these technologies currently, at least currently,
[SPEAKER_01]: have plateaued and I want them to continue to get better and I know they're working on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it plateaued at a relatively high level so it still doesn't feel like it's behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I want to do one thing because I kind of want to sit behind myself here, do you want to stay here?
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to show the space and also talk about the power options a way to plug in, for example, to charge?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our devices.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well Andre's move and I'll mention to the screens on this truck are high resolution.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're nice They're pretty easy to navigate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've done a good job with the technology on that front in this truck So in general is pretty good, but they didn't integrate too much stuff into the screens now Andre has the back seat Roomy, it's nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sitting behind myself comfortably You look the seat bottoms even in the front and the back are a little bit hard for my
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty, I think we have a walkie-talkies in Santa Claus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, I got to turn that off.
[SPEAKER_01]: The seed bottoms are a little bit hard, especially for a truck, the oven and the one over there, what is it's in them, like $86,000 range, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, $87,400, so it's not fully auctioned truck, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: This seats are a little stiff and that's something that we've talked about with GM trucks for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: The materials in this one are really good, but it's not the most plush seat.
[SPEAKER_00]: But even in the back seat, I'm noticing on your door card, not only is the leather really good, but there's wood back there, there's some fantastic textured wood on the dash.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's got that topographical map design as well, so materials are awesome, but the seat comfort, I agree, it could be a little bit more plush.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, finally, before we move on to the RAM, line up of 1500 power selections as far as charging.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back here, we have USB Type-A and USB-C chargers, ports, but no 120 volt outlets in the back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't there a one in the console?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so inside the console, you'll find a traditional style plug like what you would find in your home.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a USB-A and a USB-C.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, further forward, there's another USB-A in another USB-C up by the shifter, so there are decent number of places you can plug in.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's see how it compares, right, to some of the other trucks, because if I was back here and if I was watching movie on my iPad or my laptop, I would want to have, I don't want to bother you up there to plug myself in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, to block something back here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, let's jump into, or actually go outside to the ramp.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give it a look.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, first thing's first, from the exterior of this ramp, is,
[SPEAKER_00]: not the most in your face, it's gray, it's got kind of a cool looking polish wheel, but it's got body color, bumper, and grille, and a 20 inch wheel, and this is a big horn.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a stark trim level difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and of course it's going to be a price, a big price difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we were doing a luxury truck comparison, we actually Nathan and I did this about the year and a half ago in Michigan, and
[SPEAKER_01]: This would probably be like a limit it or a limited long horn with a high-out but hurricane.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would have air suspension and it would have panoramic roofs and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not that.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a big horn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so it's much lower on the totem pole as far as turns go during pop the hood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's take a look at the engines.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is one of the newer power trains in the mix and available in any of these trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: The three liter hurricane, so it's a twin turbo straight six.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one, like you said, is a standard output.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the high output that you can get.
[SPEAKER_00]: So 420 horsepower, 469 pound feet of torque, a little bit more than the GMC.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And eight speed automatic.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned the transmissions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, all the other trucks have 10 speeds.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you and I went to Germany to a ZF technology day.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked to some of their engineers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And ZF transmissions are some of the best in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been making them for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We asked why, eight and why not, 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they said they considered doing 10 speeds, because it's possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they could do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they decided that eight seemed like the Goldilocks zone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's also like a cost consideration and also complexity, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think ZF engineers weighed all those options and so at least that would be their reasoning as to why they claimed they chose to go with eight speeds instead of ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you would have to, that's the why we do real-world truck testing, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we can, this podcast is just kind of to introduce the trucks, talk about some of the features.
[SPEAKER_01]: But really, where this will matter is about efficiency, towing, and also acceleration, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this engine, on some of those fronts, because we've tested it quite a bit at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both in standard output and high output form, even the standard output.
[SPEAKER_00]: This engine has a lot of power and a lot of torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very smooth and very quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't necessarily have a lot of personality, but it works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually yesterday we were idling these trucks waiting for something in the parking lot, and I was sitting in the driver's seat, and I actually forgot the engine was running.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's that quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no vibration at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you could feel that V8, you know, still sitting there and working, this engine is super smooth.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just butter.
[SPEAKER_00]: By far the smoothest engine of any of the trucks that we're looking at right now, this might be what do you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this the smoothest engine that you can get in any half ton?
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that diesel we talked about, it's also a straight sex, but you can hear it a little bit more, that three liter diesel in the diesel.
[SPEAKER_00]: No more course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this...
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can argue you want more sound in a truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we've argued that before.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as far as smoothness, I think this is it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this hurricane is an impressive engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: This ram has the most aggressive acceleration of any of the trucks here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a 392.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, partially because it's a towing package, which is off, you could see it here with tow mirrors, which are humongous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's also good and bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, sorry about, we hit a couple of bugs in the way here, sorry, I really apologize.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the people listening to the podcast won't mind it all?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they won't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this mirror is amazing if you're looking behind you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in front of you, this post is a little bit large, so sometimes it takes away some of the forward visibility when you're sitting in the truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true, I do have to wonder if the actual post that mounts the mirror to the side of the door needs to be this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, partially why I think, I mean, I wasn't part of the engineering team that designed this because of the camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not just because of the camera, but also, so there's no vibration.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what happens?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like on a washboard road.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Things start to isolate, and everything starts to vibrate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they kind of have to do this probably because
[SPEAKER_01]: to make it stable and make it very strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the only truck of the four that came to us optioned with a towing specific mirror.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this mirror is awesome when we're hooked up to a trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't tow with these trucks any box trailers, but if we had this would have made a world of difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even if they were arrested in the mirror right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a huge surface.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if the rest of these trucks were
[SPEAKER_00]: This is still one of the better.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of our preferred eye-wing mirrors.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would agree, because the controls of this mirror is really easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can show quickly show you.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've redesigned it in 2025.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of the functions are on the same switch, rather than separating those functions on different switches.
[SPEAKER_01]: very easy mirror and one of the best as far as for towing purposes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also want to mention the engine options like we mentioned the high output hurricane with 540 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is done.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's also the broad back of the hemie.
[SPEAKER_00]: True, so you can get up 5-7 hemie with the torque system.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they brought that back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Coming up soon is going to be a range extended EV version, which is going to be really interesting to test because that's not something at the moment that exists in any of these other trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is basically a five and a half footer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes also referred to as a five seven, so a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Make sure that ladder is all the way in.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is noticeably tighter on our ladder than the GMC.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not closing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the GMC closed with a little bit of room to spare.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ram's short bed doesn't quite fit your little giant ladder.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is called by the way, this is not sponsored.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know this is sponsored by you guys are patreon supporters and listeners and viewers this podcast is sponsored by you guys not by a little behind not a little giant but you know what i think gm is unique in this perspective
[SPEAKER_01]: because their wheelbase on their crewcabs is a couple of inches longer than the rest of the trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is also a nice force, the ability to put a link trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's other perks to that longer wheelbase.
[SPEAKER_00]: This ram is a little bit more basic like we said.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this one doesn't have a bed liner.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a painted steel bed and look at the difference in tie-downs.
[SPEAKER_00]: This truck just has one
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and this bed is not bed-lined, not that, you know, we're not gonna take away from it because the price is lower, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is the least expensive of any of the trucks that we're looking at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it also doesn't have, this model has plugs instead of lights, but the tie-down point is valid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because without the rails that you could add along the side of the bed, the tie-down options are not many.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even with the rails, I still think GM does the best job of giving you lots of tie-down points from the factory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly, especially in the bed, which is so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, this tailgate is not fancy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ram does offer a barn-style option, which splits about 40-60.
[SPEAKER_01]: on their tailgate and also they don't have a sometimes they have an optional step that kind of comes down here
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could put your foot up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one is not equipped with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can easily jump into the bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's something that you can pretty inexpensively add onto the truck if you want to have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Should we check that out?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, wait, I'm just checking on the payload.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure, 1757.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this truck has the highest payload of all four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: the way you see them here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a pretty good number and then what's the tolerating?
[SPEAKER_01]: The tolerating is just over like 11,000 pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have our notes inside the truck as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to see the hitch, by the way, this is also a quick look.
[SPEAKER_01]: For a basic truck, this has a camera connection inside the bumper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so if you have a newer trailer that has a camera system integrated into it, you can plug it into the ram and check that out on your screen, which is nice, especially if you're carrying around horses or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could be checking on how they're doing as you're going on the road.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you were helping hooker trailers to these trucks?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember which was the easiest chain?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like do you remember which you struggled with,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know it's a good question when we were working on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were working pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ram, it's a little bit heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to give it to the ram because it's also got this funky shape that makes it a little bit more challenging at times to get hooks in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The upside is that you've got two holes, so you could put your chains through one and put
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the emergency break.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come and look at the GMC, really?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're another.
[SPEAKER_00]: The GMC might have a beat because look at how accessible.
[SPEAKER_00]: These points are on each side of the hitch.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to reach way underneath the truck to get to those.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you've even got some more openings a little further back that you can also use here advantage.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a lot of options on the GMC there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know we'll see for then Toyota really soon, but I think those are kind of also a little bit more hidden.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to move the ladder before we move a little more forward?
[SPEAKER_00]: The sounds of moving ladder is one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is very thrilling of the podcast for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, you won't get this in many other podcasts.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is very unique.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we've got to check out the interior on the ram, keeping in mind once again that of all the trucks, this one is the most affordable.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this interior is not gonna have all of the options that you can get in the ram.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not gonna have all the same options that the other trucks we're looking at today have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, but it's still a truck that gives you quite a few features.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got all the essential things that we need.
[SPEAKER_00]: The screen configuration on the ram is a little bit more vertical, so it's kind of tall and narrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually really like you connect as a program.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that these screens are very easy to navigate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, we still have physical controls for our climate on the sides of the screen here, which is nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And trailer brake controller, very accessible, very visible, it's mounted on a dash where you kind of expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the drive selector is not everybody's favorite.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a knob.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's different solutions, obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's a center console, like the GMC, we saw that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can have a knob or you can have a column shift.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this may not be my favorite because it's also next to
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, for example, a volume knob, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, maybe you go to turn the volume down and then just slam around the fork.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done that before.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I haven't either.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it could be possible for somebody to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Realistically, that drive selector is really not the end of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not my favorite of all the drive selectors here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That one would be my least favorite of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not a make or break kind of thing for me in particular.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like we were saying, this is a big horn, but it does have a couple of optional packages, and we do have wireless charging.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do have USB-A and C, and also an auxiliary port.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then we've got our bigger outlet at the bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little hidden.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know if you could see it, yes, it's down here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll check out the back and see that in a second as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in that way, it's pretty similar to the GMC because the GMC had the same number of USBs and also had a wire in the charger in the console.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Overall, I mean, these seats are, like you said, are cloth.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not fancy leather or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, there's not a lot of collar options, although there's a little bit of silver and a little bit of different materials on the dashboard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a few textures and...
[SPEAKER_00]: and badges and things.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not completely blank, but it is a pretty dark interior.
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely does not strike you as a luxury interior.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although your steering wheels not bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually it's wrapped.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now every ram comes with an adaptive cruise control feature.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a button right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But only the fancier ram trucks, 1500s, are coming with that hands-free system.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I like
[SPEAKER_01]: about the RAM system, it's GM's, hence reasons are maybe a little bit more superior, as far as towing and also kind of how it positions itself in the highway.
[SPEAKER_01]: What RAM does, they have capacitive touch in the steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't have to go like this to remind the truck you're still here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could just put your hands on it and then the truck knows you're engaged with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is a nice way of going about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as well, because this is not a luxury model truck, we've got no sun roof at all in this particular model.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me get in the back seat while you open the price sheet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this ram comes in at about 64,400, so it's by far the cheapest of the trucks that's here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more than $20,000 MSRP less than the GC we were just looking at, so it's a significant difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, don't let that get in the way, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you can option any of these trucks to be within $1,000 of each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen around 1500 limited long-horn, well almost at 90 grand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well in TRX's, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Ari chose, you know, go up into that price range too.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a little bit more space here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you look funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a ton of space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could cross my legs, I could go cross country, and look, there's a plug here, a regular wall outlet, even back here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I appreciate this a little bit more than what I saw on the GMC.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even as nice as the materials in the GMC were and as good as it looks,
[SPEAKER_00]: in some ways this more basic truck is even more comfortable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say so, so it has a little bit more power options and the seed bottom, you know, maybe not the the cushiest of them all, but
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not bad, I mean, I could go very on a very long trip back here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also would do have speakers up here, as well, in the ceiling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so points to the RAM for a basic interior, it's very functional, which we appreciate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like we said, I think we mentioned already, just over 11,000 pounds of towing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, actually, if you look at maximum towing, GM,
[SPEAKER_01]: has a beat because GM can be at over 13,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although, case, I would never recommend telling 13,000 pounds with one of these trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and it's something that we avoid especially because we live up in the mountains.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a lot of steep grades and these trucks when you start getting around 10,000 pounds, they begin to struggle a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm with you right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we were pulling a trailer
[SPEAKER_00]: where we live, especially I would prefer to be in an HD.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially a diesel, heavy-duty pickup.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the exhaust brake, it sounds great, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no, there's no replacing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's jump into the other, let's go through the Ford.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we'll start as for usual on the exterior.
[SPEAKER_00]: This Ford is kind of a light gray, and it's a little bit of an old school.
[SPEAKER_00]: way that it's specced because we've got chrome wheels and chrome bumpers here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the only truck that we're looking at today that's got chrome bumpers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah well the GM had a tiny chrome insert but indeed I would say this is a little bit more old fashioned styling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah this is not bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a dad truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well I'm a dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well what do you think of this truck?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a chrome guy though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is some black on it around the grill and around the headlights.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's blacked out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really like the amber running lights and turn signals on the F-150s these days.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not a bad looking truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is an XLT, so this is, you know, it starts at XL, so an XLT is kind of the next step up on the trim walk, very similar to Big Horn, so that trim for trim, but what Ford has done in recent years, and I've been noticing it as we're looking at configurators, right, is they've been adding in more optional packages and features into their XLTs, making them actually
[SPEAKER_00]: really pricey and luxurious as well yeah and they've been adding to the destination price like we've talked about in the past as well yes this is a hybrid this is a power boost hybrid let's look at the engine let's pop the hood like we've done yeah it's one of the highlights of this truck because it being a hybrid it's got an impressive 430 horsepower and 570 pound feet of torque yes
[SPEAKER_00]: which when we're pulling trailers once again through the mountains and steep grades, that 570 pound-feet of torque you feel it.
[SPEAKER_01]: exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the engine bay may not be the most neat or the most beautiful engine bay, but I don't know if that matters.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of high voltage cables, wires, tubes, hoses, and things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't want to be the person to have to work on this because there's a lot going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a three and a half liter.
[SPEAKER_01]: This particular one is from a
[SPEAKER_01]: production or dealerships yet, there might be already being produced, but they're not available quite yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the power ratings we're talking about, we're talking about 2025.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's a substantial amount of power driving this truck around.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to get out in front of traffic, you'll 100% can with very little effort.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost electric and it's power delivery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bunch is you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's impressive, and this truck has a 373 axle ratio, so it's the second most aggressive of the trucks that are here, which also helps it as far as acceleration is concerned.
[SPEAKER_01]: And before we move on, as far as some of the other features mentioning the other engines available, so there's a 27 EcoBoost V6.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's basically now the base engine in this lineup.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then there's also the coyote at the 5-liter.
[SPEAKER_01]: The coyote.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which actually we own.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a tremor 5-liter.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's right behind us in the bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably in the bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it's pretty interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then this,
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah power boost and then also we have to mention of course the high output engine and the supercharged V8 which is a raptor engine certainly different
[SPEAKER_01]: use case, but those engines are still available.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is especially in the Raptor R is arguably the most impressive of any of the engines that you can get in any half-tun truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you keep it stock, we were at Seema recently and we saw one that had a three-liter wipple on it and they were saying over 900 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was Fort Performance folks we're saying this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that would be like a through the dealership installation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is nuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can work through your dealership to get a supercharger on that so you can go pretty crazy with these power trains You know, one has they roll out of the factory This power boost is one of the most impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there's many ways in which it's impressive Because because it's a hybrid it also delivers a lot of Oh, it's not locking no, I got a slamming there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's aluminum.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you gotta give it a little bit more
[SPEAKER_01]: Power delivery, power export, because it's a hybrid, you have, Ian, you could show it here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have up to 7.2 Jigawatts, no kilowatts, sir.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm showing that I am a dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's seven point to kilowatt export.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the biggest upsides of this truck also the lightning is that you can run as much as a welder on it, which we've done in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've actually welded using a power boost, so that is a really nice feature to have leveraging the electric side of that hybrid power train to be able to make the truck better at doing work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, tie downs, still not as good as a GM truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's four old school tie downs, and then we've got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is kind of a forward way of doing it, because right now it's a tie down, but you could also put a cleat on here and have some more options.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of technically two tie downs in each corner of different styles.
[SPEAKER_00]: But still, yeah, not as much as the GM.
[SPEAKER_00]: Should we see if your ladder fits?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, can we close this tailgate?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, what do you think, a tiny bit closer than Ram?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely closer.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not closing, but we don't want to force it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to break Andre's ladder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or this beautiful truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, let's take this out because I want to show something.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a step actually, below this bumper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me grab this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to close the tailgate?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can close tailgate now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were talking about the step that's built into the tailgate, but now it's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is this step as well, which I'm now realizing I haven't actually practiced deploying.
[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of takes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Maffert?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like spring loaded, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, this was interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen a use of this type of step, because originally this came out when they introduced a new tailgate, which splits in the middle.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, they do have another version, which kind of does like 20, 40, 20.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I said it correctly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it opens this way, like a barn door, and then you could step in, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But this tail bumper step I think could be useful if you have like a trailer back here and maybe Like if you had a boat behind here, maybe you can get into the trailer sure or maybe you can jump in the bed There's got to be a situation where it would be useful Yeah, you got to kick it take some effort
[SPEAKER_00]: Payload on the Ford is also right around 1500.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little less than the Chevy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the Chevy, or the GMC, rather it was 1494 this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: 1430.
[SPEAKER_01]: 1430.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is a little bit lower than I expected, because this is an old aluminum body and bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: but this is also a hybrid which adds weight to the overall system right yeah and then telling figure on this is also right around 11,000 yeah I think the way it's configured is about 10-8 so 10,800 and then with a special towing package with the tomear
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about 11, 200 or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so right in line with a lot of the other trucks that are here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you could see those hookup points for the hitch and the chains is a little bit hidden underneath.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're a little further.
[SPEAKER_00]: of a reach.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not my favorite, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also the attitude of this truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've said this before, you've heard me say this, is that on laden, the rear end is higher than the front.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's actually helpful when you put the full payload on this truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're hooked up to a heavy trailer as we have with this and with some of the others here,
[SPEAKER_00]: It levels out so it doesn't look like the back end of the truck is completely dumped and the other nice thing about that is that your hitch receiver isn't quite as close to the ground so you're less likely to scrape your hitch especially if you have a drop hitch that hangs down a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: The GMC was the same way.
[SPEAKER_00]: with really heavy trailers, the ram, and the tundra squatted more.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's a difference between the Ford GM are using leaves in the back?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Leaf springs, and then the ram, and the tundra are using coils.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of people are always traditional truck people hating coils.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people should hate coils as pensions, but there is that sag, you know, they sag a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now this truck is not the only one here that is this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say, because this I'll mention it now, since it won't be in the Ike video, when I was bringing the trailer that we were hiking with back here to the ranch, which was pretty heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were right around 10,000 pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Plus, the tongue weight was just over like a thousand pounds, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we had a lot of tongue weight.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this truck was sitting much lower than it is right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: in the back, like we said it, it looked kind of level, but the headlights were pointing right up into the sky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have a way to level them out, so I had people flashing their high beams at me, understandably, because these are bright LED headlights.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you were not using high beams?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I wasn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was using low beams, but because the back end of the truck was so much lower than where it sits normally, the headlights were shooting
[SPEAKER_01]: Really nothing I could do about it nothing but I think there may be some other options I think most of these trucks have different headlamp options So you potentially could configure this Ford with an out of adjustable Yeah, which would be nice being able to level out those headlights because it was it was not great I didn't really want to you kind of felt bad I mean you were blinding some other people while you're you know trying to be a good citizen I could see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was shining right in everyone's eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go check out the back
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and also inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, we'll start with the front.
[SPEAKER_00]: Check out.
[SPEAKER_00]: The interior on the Ford, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is a little bit fancier than the ram.
[SPEAKER_00]: This truck?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but it's also kind of gray on gray, on gray.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't look that exciting, but it is a slightly nicer spec.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still cloth seats.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would say it's not quite as basic.
[SPEAKER_00]: This truck is also a little more expensive.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's 69, 600.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's about 5,000 more than that range.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still quite a bit less expensive than how the GMC is spec'd as we see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I agree for, in a lot of ways, this interior is and super fancy, the color scheme and some of the materials, but there's a few things it has going for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got the massive sunroof that stretches all the way into the back seat.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of a nice feature to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also got banging olives in audio.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a little bit more premium stereo rather than kind of a basic set up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and a pretty nice stereo system at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You tested it out yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have, or the day before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Planned some reggae and all kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bases good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it sounds decent, especially for a truck stereo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the sitting position I like these seats, you know quite a lot, I will check out the back in a second, wrapped steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what I was saying when oh there's also the STX, there's the XL STX XLT, and of course Lariat and others for trim levels, of Ford.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've kind of in my mind moved the XLT more into a luxurious space, even though these
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it has blue crews.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it has blue crews.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got heated seats.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got auto climate, wireless charging.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, yeah, wireless charging still big, big screen in the center.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got the pro trailer back up assist.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ram also has a similar head at similar option, but maybe not quite as many features because this truck can also automatically hitch up a trailer or you can get wind up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your hitch underneath the tongue of the trailer that you're
[SPEAKER_00]: The trailer brake controller is exactly where you would expect it to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Easy to get to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the shifter on this truck is column.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a column out of shifter, and I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to love it in this truck, but I've spent some time with this particular one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure that this is true.
[SPEAKER_00]: of every F-150, but in this truck a couple times I've been moving the column shifter up to park and it stops at reverse and doesn't want to go beyond.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not every time, but every now and then it stops there, doesn't want to go in a park.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you kind of have to like jiggle it a little tiny bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a little frustrating.
[SPEAKER_00]: This truck's got a very locker though.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a selectable too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: which is cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not even an off road trim, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ford has done this for a while where they offer locking differential on the variety of different trim levels and price ranges.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to make a comment about the shifter before we move on.
[SPEAKER_01]: The GMC console mounted shifter also has kind of a digital feeling to it because it's
[SPEAKER_01]: It is kind of digital, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's not like a true mechanical connection between the shifter and actually what's happening within the transmission.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a computer interpreting your selections and what you want to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also these trucks are, let me see if I can demonstrate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I put it in drive and I opened it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a feature that puts it in park when I open my door because it wants to prevent the truck from rolling away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think you and I agree, we are as humans, we are aware of what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't agree on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to computer try to use its intelligence to override our intelligence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because our intelligence is far superior.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, say so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like where your head's at.
[SPEAKER_00]: something else that's nice to use on the floor is we've got a pretty substantial 120 outlet here up front this truck also has a wireless charger also has the USB A and a USB C exactly so we've got a few good options I want to compliment this truck on the position of this plug because I don't have to you know dig down in the console or open the console it's very easy to locate and plug in
[SPEAKER_00]: if there's anything additional.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other USB-Cs in there too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Console, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's actually, it's going to be hard to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's two USB-Cs in the console.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've got three USB-Cs, one USB-A, and then this big 120 up on the front of the dash.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got some in the back as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can check it out, but before we go, I go in the back, see, this also has this cool feature, which I think I put my laptop here, I don't think it was me, so we were waiting, we were doing our towing test, and we had a little bit of time, and I actually did some emails here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We was really easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is a really useful feature.
[SPEAKER_01]: I put my laptop in the center.
[SPEAKER_01]: This set of console opens up into a table.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really found this really truly useful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that is kind of a neat little feature and an inventive way to use the space.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let me check out the back seat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's really quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Andre, to get back there, because really Andre is the ideal test of a back seat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're about six with three?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, almost there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to still grow, but it's not working.
[SPEAKER_01]: So back here, I do have an option for a wall outlet, 120 volt USB-C's, and even a 12-volt dude!
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's all kinds of hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very similar space and I think seat as in the rim, so I feel about the same and I feel pretty good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how does it feel on headroom?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit lower, I think it's because of the panoramic sunroof.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I would speck out the truck, I think the panoramic roof would not be on my list.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, if I wanted a convertible car, I would get a convertible car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does make it feel very premium on the interior, having all that glass above you, and it makes it feel very modern.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it costs you money and it's not strictly necessary.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's also, as weight, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're very, if you want to, you know, maybe use a little bit more payload, this is what a hundred or two hundred pounds of mechanism and glass and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's also a very high up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you center of gravity starts to grow a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we love low center of gravity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, for carving those canyon roads when you're hooked up to a trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Andre does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Andre, Andre can corner with a trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've done it before.
[SPEAKER_00]: At times we've had to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go check out the Tundra, and then we have to pick our favorite, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the Tundra is once again, it's gray.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have a lot of color.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's typical in the world, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you look at configurators, if you look at dealership lots, color seems to be going away, which is sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a lot of gray and white and black and silver trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of right in line with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a whole lot of chrome on this truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit on the badges.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I would describe the grill as kind of a black chrome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, a little bit black, but also humongous.
[SPEAKER_01]: This grill, this grill, the mouth that's opening here is huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the front bumper also sits a little bit on the low side, most of these trucks because they're not off road trims.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have kind of a lip.
[SPEAKER_00]: a chin and air dam at bottom of the bumper.
[SPEAKER_01]: And most of these except GMC have active arrow between the chin spoiler, actually extends at speed, which is a pretty fancy like Formula One type.
[SPEAKER_01]: feature.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's maybe simplified a little bit on on these.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not quite the DRS enabled, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the, yeah, the Tundra has a distinct front end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe not my favorite.
[SPEAKER_01]: You picked a GMC front end, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for your favorite.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I stand by that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some, some trims of the F-150, like our tremor, I really like orange accents.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you and I are kind of not chrome guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the dad's back on this one in particular, I don't like quite as much as the GMC, but I maybe like our company own tremor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Looks wise even more than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think if we painted this bumper, I would pick it over the GMC maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, it's borderline.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the GMC is a good looking truck, but the right spec on an F-150 might be my number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to point out this RAM 1500.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have is not equipped with front top points.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, you could kind of see it here.
[SPEAKER_01]: it would be in this space.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not equipped.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think really if you're buying any four by four pickup, yeah, I think include the front top points.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you're not off-roading consistently, it's still good to have because it's possible for these trucks to get stuck in a recovery point is nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe for other people to get stuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want to help somebody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're a famously, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: infamously, did not put front top points on the tundra.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the GM and the Ford have them, the ram as it spec doesn't, in the Toyota doesn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this is, by the way, platinum trim level.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, they have many, of course, SRSR5, TRD off-road, this is the platinum trim level, and maybe this is not my favorite trim level.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorites in the fancier tundra is their colon.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, 1794, a cowboy addition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw 1794 on my way to the range.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, and it looked pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about the interior later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at the power choices.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at the end on the real quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like the F-150, this particular Tundra is also a hybrid.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the I-4's Max.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's got the most power and torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: of the four, 437 horsepower, 583 pound feet of torque.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: This engine is also quite busy with different things, but it's dressed up a little bit with this plastic cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it looks a little bit more attractive, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's still some of the high voltage cables, things like that going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: This also has a 10-speed, and this is a 331 axle ratio.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a little bit on the less aggressive side.
[SPEAKER_00]: And look at this, it has a dipstick still.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is not a guarantee in this day and age.
[SPEAKER_01]: The ram, the hurricane, got rid of the dipstick and there was a big controversy about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: At first I was a kid with it, but then also checking the oil, you can see the color of it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You could smell it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't have a dipstick, you really can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess you can open the filler and start smelling your engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the way facing there, this tundra has the lowest opening hood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were joking that they figure, since tundra is our so solid historically, you won't have to open this hood and do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, the non-hybrid versions of this V6 have been recalled.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is another one of those engines that have been widely being replaced?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're actually replacing those engines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not just fixing something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: but the hybrid is not part of that recall.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have to be very precise when we talk about this structure, which is true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they also have the non hybrid versions, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So standard 3.4 liter twin turbo is available.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also I believe on the work spec, the SR tenders, they have a slightly lower power rating.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have several different tune.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and coming along side of the truck payload.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to check that really quick tons this is This one 90 yeah, it's a little disappointing a little disappointing so it's it's the least amount of payload of any other trucks out here and also surprisingly
[SPEAKER_01]: It's lower than that GMC, which is also fully loaded.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so when we were testing this truck on the hike, we were at or a little above payload.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, it retracted its step for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So automatically the step that's below the corner, the bumper popped out when Andre lowered the tailgate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to move my ladder again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's see how the ladder does.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, this is also a composite bed inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a similar in that way to the GMM.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_00]: This doesn't look very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think it's going to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: So wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So GMC is the only one that was able to close the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what do I do now?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we got to do it by hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not even close.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not closing.
[SPEAKER_01]: like a N8, 8 foot bed version for certain configurations, the other thing that's, it's kind of hard to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: The walls of the bed are a little bit narrower at the bottom than the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's kind of tapered.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's tapered side.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's done because these are molds that are stamping these beds out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of the manufacturing of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how much power do you
[SPEAKER_00]: saying 400 watts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, is nowhere near what the Ford can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it would have been cool if they leverage this hybrid system a little bit more, like the Ford did.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the latest Tacoma hybrids have 2.4 kilowatt systems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is getting there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But still, I mean, Ford has 7.2.
[SPEAKER_01]: So 10.2 is a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is an option, you have to pay for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But still, it's available.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as tie downs go in the tundrauts, kind of similar to the Ford and how the ram can be.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's four tie downs, one in each corner, plus these rails where you can move.
[SPEAKER_00]: These little cleats back and forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, still not my favorite tie downs setup.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let me move to, so we can show the hit really quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is able to pull about 11,000 as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, most of them are right in line with each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: To close the tailgate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can press on the side of the taillight, although I think, since we were moving it manually, it's not very happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's reset it.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's reset it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little painful in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so I wonder will it bring the step in on its own?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I think this has like a five-second delay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, does it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's find out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it would be kind of like, oh, yeah, automatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is riveting television, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now the thing actually this is pretty accessible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those points for the head side of the hitch are very easy to reach.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not bad at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what's not my favorite?
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these components are plastic on the bumpers Yeah, and on the tundra.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the other, can you knock on that?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's on the other word.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our metal, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is good and bad in this, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: bumper, it might dent, but it will be more expensive to replace.
[SPEAKER_00]: But paint on a composite bumper is also pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So inside of the GM bumper, there is also the radar sometimes in some sensors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to kind of tell exactly, I mean, that it's plastic on top.
[SPEAKER_01]: But on a tundra,
[SPEAKER_01]: When you hit something, it's kind of, it's a plastic so it's easily breakable, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which we've actually, we've experienced, yeah, we've experienced that before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now, should we check out the interior on this temperature?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this one, once again, is a platinum, so it's far from a base model.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the second priceiest truck that we're looking at here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one's around 76,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have a little sheet, a cheat sheet here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we can see the exact number.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want a little cheat sheet.
[SPEAKER_00]: 76, 278, so 76, 300.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is one of the fancier tundras you could buy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it being a platinum, it's got some more features, nicer materials, although once again, this interior is mostly very dark, there's not tons of color.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit of blue stitching.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, blue stitching here as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But not my gels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think as far as overall impact GMC Sierra Denali had the impact, you know, immediate, I know it's more expensive, but it had that going very clearly a luxury interior in that this one, none.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they do a great job with their 1794 editions, you know, if you wanted to buy a tundra with a fancier interior, you could do that still.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree, this does once again have like the Ford a very big glass sunroof that goes all the way into the back row.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, yes, still looks kind of nice large screen a lot of hard switches and buttons which we like He didn't ventilate its seat you could this will help you straighten out the trailer when you're backing up So it does have some towing technology as well break controllers here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a little hidden for the driver behind the steering wheel Like you feel looking it from from my perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the driver seat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to look over or I have to feel for it So maybe not the most ideal place
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then this one kind of like the GMC has a more old school console managed shifter.
[SPEAKER_00]: That one feels more mechanical now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this actually feels like it's doing something and moving some mechanical levers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's not bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and yeah, I mean, we're not digging into the technology of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although I will say, it's not my favorite as far as like the trip meter.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the towing trailer set up it's maybe not the most intuitive technology screen layout of all the manufacturers about the cost if i if i want to really configure the trailers i think GM and Ford do it best
[SPEAKER_01]: And then RAM is very, very close, and then Toyota as far as let's look at some storage options here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, decent size console with coin slots still.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's high school.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't carried the coin.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for power, this one is not quite as extensive.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a USB-A and a USB-C in the console.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there like a hundred twenty volt do you see anything not we have a we have a cup holders here and there is a wireless charge yes But not a whole lot else Yeah, we'll check out in the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me get in the back seat and by the way, um Toyota is not offering
[SPEAKER_01]: like a hands-free drive system in their trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think some of the Lexus vehicles, you know, they're starting to roll out some of these technologies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But on their truck side, on their pickup truck side, the hands-free system is not available yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a little more basic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me get in the back seat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to check it out really quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say another thing,
[SPEAKER_01]: The underneath the rear seat in the Tundra hybrid is basically a battery.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're using that space for part of the hybrid system, so storage.
[SPEAKER_01]: But even in the Ford, it has some storage in the hybrid underneath the seat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of my am noticing about you jump back seat.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got the peasant blockers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's not what I usually call him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a technical plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shades.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm called a shade on the side, which is, I think this is the only pickup track that has a side shade.
[SPEAKER_00]: A peasant blocker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just say it's for children when they're sleeping in the back seat.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could block out the sun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, sometimes children don't want to be bothered by a peasant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: My headroom,
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, you scared me, but I own an older generation tons of which has a rear lowered glass and you just lowered the rear glass and it's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that is one of the coolest things about this cab.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can really open it up because the entire rear glass slides down into the bulkhead, kind of an expensive thing to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've used this a lot, backing up to a boat launch ramp.
[SPEAKER_00]: and you can just get all kinds of air flow through this cab.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: My headroom is a tiny bit more limited.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little bit of a car out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's a little bit more limited than some other truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's scalloped, but if you lean forward too quickly, you might give yourself a concussion.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not a concussion, but it's a list of scalping.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that sounds much better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's a 400 watt outlet here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you, Toyota.
[SPEAKER_01]: to the ventilated rear seats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think RAM also offers heating and ventilation on the rear seats and cup holders are very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe not the humongous, the biggest back seat of the mall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Humongous, I like humongous.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the most humongous, otherwise described as humongous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, once again, these trucks are all spent differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: So some of the features that one has and another doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other might be able to option with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my biggest thing is I wish on this interior, this being a little bit more premium and being over $76,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the interior had some more color, that would make it feel more premium.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe not just color because some people are shy about using different colors but more textures more contrast I think that's what we mean but I mean I do like the blue because that signifies hybrid sure yeah for them and I kind of like that theme but pretty subtle but more contrast yeah so all right dude let's get outside and let's we need to try to pick our favorite based on I know it's gonna be tough
[SPEAKER_00]: We've done a lot of testing with these trucks and once again we don't want to go into too much detail on all that because there's got to be a reason for people to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: the video where we actually summarise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and pick the truck of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're not picking truck of the year right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're picking a truck that could be our favorite best-based on the features we just saw and based on some of the specs we just looked at.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am kind of between these two trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: My decision is between the F-150 and the RAM.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the GMC a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: But personally speaking, for me, it's just too fancy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would not, I appreciate the Denali ultimate, but I'm not gonna run out and buy one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: I am a very fancy guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, just based on the interior, the colors,
[SPEAKER_00]: and not just the materials on the interior.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the materials in the design a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you picked the styling of this truck too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I like the styling on the GMC.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the screen layouts, the whole interior layout.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, not just the materials and the colors and everything that you pay a bunch of money for, but the whole way that the dash on this truck is laid out.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of things I like about a GMC could it be I like V8 could it be the sound
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, although that being said, if I was picking out one of these trucks, I would probably go for the three-leaded urmacks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, that's a hot take.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love the fact that there's a diesel option on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to go with the GMC.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I see, I got you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to hear a lot of these engines, we have the video, we have the drag race coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this does have a Burble, which sounds good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, a deep voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see why you would pick a Dermax, what are you going for?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like I said, I like the hurricane power delivery and a lot of the features including efficiency on some of the versions of the hurricane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm going to pick the F-150 hybrid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because it's got a power on board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I mean, it's got a pretty good payload.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned, you know, David and I, there is a, there's a gate way back in the field that we had to weld on and we used the F-150 hybrid to weld on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not a welder.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact is, sometimes we buy trucks for the features that are available.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you had a power boost, you could become a welder.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could learn, I can go to school, I can buy, you know, a welder, I could plug it in, I could start welding.
[SPEAKER_01]: But more than that, I like the efficiency that this suffers, I like the power that it offers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like a lot of the features inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean it's true what people say?
[SPEAKER_01]: What about you?
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: The Ford fanboy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as a Toyota Tundra owner, what people say about you?
[SPEAKER_01]: They might, I mean, they might say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but like you, we try to experience a lot of trucks, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You've owned a Dodge Ram.
[SPEAKER_01]: Try and succeed at least through work.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to drive a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a owner of a Dodge Ram.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a owner of a Tundra.
[SPEAKER_01]: Over there, some of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also owned a Chevy, actually a couple of different Chevy's.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think as far as the power train, choice, efficiency and power, and comfort.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I get it, but to let my ladder doesn't fit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your ladder does not fit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does fit in the GMC and the GMC's got good tie-downs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: We still, we have to...
[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_00]: When we pick an official truck of the year, we're going to have to use more stats from the tests that we're doing and I think we're going to have to come to a consensus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if we are disagreeing, yeah, it's not going to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you come back in a couple of weeks and see us pick truck of the year, it might be a different answer because that one is not just going to be going with our hearts.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's our brains.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of brain power.
[SPEAKER_00]: With numbers, brain power.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a cool sciencey stuff that everyone's into, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we've got to look at the efficiency numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to look at how they perform, you know, the breaking, the acceleration on the mountain.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to look at their performance, speed,
[SPEAKER_01]: that's going to be different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's worth tuning into because we smoke the brakes on a couple of these trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: We put them really to the test.
[SPEAKER_00]: No fire, nothing trucks fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you saw smoke.
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw smoke.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did, we hit the top speed of each one of these trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: We put them through their paces.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of fun testing that you're going to be able to check out in those videos coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check out alltfl.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know this podcast was a little bit longer than a normal podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is what's epic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was one of our more epic episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Epic is of TFL.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big word.
[SPEAKER_01]: The epicest.
[SPEAKER_01]: The epicest.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got four whole trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had the humongous test and epicest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we have we done a podcast with the three HDs?
[SPEAKER_01]: all three H.D.s together, that would be nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay tuned too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay tuned.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Heavy-duty trucks could be updated next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a rumor of a new drum axe.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a rumor about, you know, super-duty updates.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we could, that's coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: That could be coming soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next year is going to be a big year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining us.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you soon.