Paradise Tea and Clayton’s Updates! | Golden Hour

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thanks for joining us. We're so excited to be back today. How are you doing, Susan.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to be back and chat with everybody, and boy, do we have somebody special today. But make sure you guys are still checking out our latest episode. We've been having a ton of fun answer and the questions, chatting with our Bachelor Nation fans and giving out the dish and our advice.

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Speaker 1: We're never short of that, okay, But today the Goldens have arrived in Paradise. We got to talk about it. Wow, what did you think?

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Speaker 3: So exciting coming in? So good to see everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you riding in on that boat. Yes, it was great, but oh my god, we got to talk about what happened.

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Speaker 2: I mean, everybody looked fabulous coming in there. Can I just say everybody looked their best and the surprised look on all the youngers.

00:01:06
Speaker 1: I think they were surprised.

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Speaker 3: It was a great moment. It was a great moment. Can we go right to the bat, Kathy? Seriously? What the hell?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me just say, Susan, you know cockroad, just mosquitoes, flies, snakes. I'm good with that. You put a bat anywhere near me in the little room, I know, I mean, and there it was. It just oh, I was, I was. I was so scared. Thank you, Parisa.

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Speaker 3: You were fucking like it was coming. There it did, it was coming.

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Speaker 2: After a min and god bless Jackie stayed in there and he's walking around in circles. I'm like, jack really, you think you're gonna catch it? Open the door and then somebody fuck it was Paris.

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Speaker 1: She was, yeah, okay, but we got to talk about the drama. Susie.

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Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god, like I was crying. I mean, he loves her.

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Speaker 1: He loves her, It's so clear to I mean, I don't know. They didn't tell me, but it appears from watching that he loves her. And the shock on her face. I just and she didn't want it. I mean, no, I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure it was a great idea to put those two together so close after their breakup, but you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I wasn't there yet.

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching it with the rest of you guys, right, you know, the Goldens hadn't arrived when all that mess was going on. But I've got to talk about Jeremy and Bailey. I mean, listen, when, first of all, did you catch the lie? Like Jeremy, I'm sorry, buddy, I'm throwing the bus.

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Speaker 2: Her eyes, boy, she's looking right through him, like yeah, right, But.

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Speaker 1: He says she goes the night before, or according to her on the show, she says she committed to him. I love you, We're together. This is after he's had his date with Susie. The next day, twenty four hours later, Sure, I loved out with you, Andrew. I don't blame Jeremy for being pissed off. I don't. And what does a grown man do when he's pissed off?

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Speaker 3: Calls the next one? Is that not typical?

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Speaker 1: Oh? It typical? But I mean he said I gave the rose to I wish I'd given it to Susie. No, he was just mad, and in my opinion, rightfully. So Bailey's committed to him. And within twenty four hours, Sure, Andrew, I'd love to go on a date. And as they say in upstate New York, not for nothing. She looked like she had a great time with him, almost more fun than she was having with Jeremy. With Andrew, she was having a great time with him.

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Speaker 3: What about Jonathan, Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And Jill my heart Wait, who's your heart for Jill or Jonathan?

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Speaker 2: Well, Jonathan had given Alex the rose, yeah, the second one right, yeah, but when she was sharing with him, like let's be friends.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but Jill what. I felt sorry for Jill. He said to Jill something like you're giving me pause. I would think, hey, maybe he does feel something for me, and then he's like, yeah, your friend zone, your friend zone. I felt sorry for Jill. That poor girl could not catch a good day.

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Speaker 3: And Ali Joe just got there and she's so darn pretty. No, we had her on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I just love her, love her off. She goes like, come for a minute, and there you're gone.

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Speaker 1: It's Susie gone, Lexi gone. What about Lexi with Justin Oh my god. I mean I felt sorry for her too. She knew, like you could just see it. She was so careful to not want to get hurt and bam she gets it as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we know her, right, we love her. I mean, she's doing great. We had her on the podcast. We've also talked to her. When I saw her in the way she was looking and talking about people. It almost felt like, where's really you? Just open up and be authentic, be you that she was faking anything, nothing like that. She just like, yeah, she wasn't comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she's more reserved. Okay, I just have to ask a general I know we don't have a lot of time to go over this, but I have to say, as a Golden, as a Golden who was on the show, and as a golden who is your friend, and just as an English major, what the hell is with the word vibing? I mean, if I had a nickel for every time they said vibing last night, the vibe I'm vibing, Well, we're vibing, vibing, vibing, Like, what the hell? It's a noun, it's an adjective, it's a verb. I mean, Susan, what does it mean? What is it?

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Speaker 3: Vibe? You're like connecting, Yes, you're connecting, but that's like hooking up.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean the vibe the vibe here is really hot. We're vibing. I mean I sat there going.

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Speaker 3: The vibe here is really hot and steamy, like the golden snow. I know what it means. I'm just saying, yeah, Okay, I know what the word means.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying it's it's like using the word like vibe has taken over the word on.

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Speaker 3: That's a new word.

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Speaker 2: Now we cannot end this today before we get into our episode without the secret?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to share? Okay, Susan, do you think you were going to stand up? I really didn't. I'm waiting. I'm waiting, I'm waiting.

00:06:37
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just going to tell you this was Kathy's biggest coup she's ever made in life.

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Speaker 2: When we started that whole no how innocent and pure, got married out of high school.

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Speaker 3: We know she needs some experience.

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Speaker 1: That's when we heard that.

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Speaker 3: When America heard this, susand what you.

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Speaker 1: See the faces on the young people, Oh my god, Kathy and Jesse's face. Now, do you want the truth? The truth is I want? When Jesse said it was going to be a great prize, I thought, I want to win this prize. So what did I do? I thought, Okay, I've got to make up a secret that the young ones will vote for and what a young ones want to talk about and think about sex. So Kathy was very careful in her word choice. I didn't say husband because then they would know it was a golden I didn't say child because you know there's no sex involved in that. So I said I slept with someone when my partner was in the other room. The partner was my husband, Darryl. The other person was my two years at the time two year old son, Douglas, who was throwing his guts up and my husband, I said, go go sleep in another room. I got this, I'll take care of it. So I was sleeping with a child who was projectile vomiting and my husband was sleeping the other room.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have to make a public statement, Kathy, because the world thinks just when I played never have you ever? And I kissed the girl when I was eighteen, here it was have you had sex with a woman? Not paying attention? I ate my ice cream? It was like I needed a public announcement.

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Speaker 1: Were you shocked? Were you shocked when you heard it? Because you know me, oh?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? So I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

00:08:18
Speaker 4: But I'm I.

00:08:20
Speaker 2: Can't wait to the next one. And watching April hook up with Jack was so fun.

00:08:24
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can I just tell you before we get into the episode, I have to tell you I missed that. I don't know where I was, Oh, you know, probably creating my story. I don't know where I was. But when I ever saw that last night hooking up with Jack, do you not think my fingers dialed her rapidly on the phone. Oh yes they did.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: This is great.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait to the next one.

00:08:48
Speaker 2: And we better get back to the episode before we devote this.

00:08:52
Speaker 3: Whole podcast on us.

00:08:54
Speaker 1: All right, let's go. Please welcome the formal Clayton eckered. Hi, Clayton, Welcome to Golden Hour. And before we get started, can I please have your curly hair and your gorgeous set of dimples?

00:09:09
Speaker 3: Please, Hike, Clayton, how are you?

00:09:12
Speaker 5: I am doing great, artie, and you know what, I'm looking forward to this. I heard that you guys were ready well conversation that I need to to prep for it.

00:09:21
Speaker 1: So, I mean you are easy on the eyes, Clayton, you are easy.

00:09:25
Speaker 2: On tell I just want to dance with you, babe, That's all I watched the time.

00:09:29
Speaker 3: Yes, we're going to make it first.

00:09:31
Speaker 4: I heard that you guys are both the lives of the parties.

00:09:33
Speaker 1: Yes, and while Susan stands in with you, Clayton, I'm going to be doing the deep knee bends with you to see how my knees are feeling.

00:09:39
Speaker 4: So yeah, you might beat me. Honestly, my knees are pretty shot.

00:09:45
Speaker 1: From I know. I watched the whole thing about you injecting your knees. Are you doing better?

00:09:51
Speaker 4: You know?

00:09:52
Speaker 5: I feel like it maybe isn't working as well as I thought. So Unfortunately, we're about thirty degree k ne ben be on that point, it's it's the danger zone.

00:10:02
Speaker 1: Do we want to know? Do we want to ask? What's new? Like what happens if that that's Are we looking at knee replacement because Susan and I have really cute nursing caps and we're available.

00:10:12
Speaker 4: Okay, you guys a little bit of a discount.

00:10:15
Speaker 3: Well, I'll have you up and walking.

00:10:17
Speaker 4: Trust me, my knees won't be fixed. About everything else, that's right.

00:10:22
Speaker 1: You'll be up to show.

00:10:24
Speaker 4: Break my heart. I bet to be a heartbreaker. You wouldn't. You wouldn't say my heart.

00:10:31
Speaker 1: She's taking she's in love.

00:10:35
Speaker 3: But just tell me one thing about you right now? What's new with you? What's besides the knee besides.

00:10:42
Speaker 5: Honestly, I mean, I'm just I'm I'm just in a really great place right now.

00:10:46
Speaker 4: You know, I think I love that.

00:10:48
Speaker 5: Mentally, I've I've really come into really just finding what works for me and and I've been happy. And my parents are just bought a house out here in Found Fountain Hills, Arizona.

00:10:59
Speaker 4: Nice. I have my whole family out in Arizona now, so that's exciting.

00:11:02
Speaker 1: Where are you from originally, though you're not from Arizona?

00:11:05
Speaker 4: Are you Missouri so much?

00:11:06
Speaker 1: I thought?

00:11:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, my two brothers came out here a couple of years before me.

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Speaker 4: And then my parents.

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Speaker 5: You know, my mom's she she just well she she was retired as of like a year ago. My dad just retired, so they wanted to be closer to.

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Speaker 1: Us, which is yeah. So all right, So before we get into the fun stuff, we the elephant in the room, if you don't mind us asking. We heard that your false paternity case has closed and we which were thrilled for you. But how did it feel or how is it felt going through something so personal and having to go through it so publicly. Again, only if you're comfortable.

00:11:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and absolutely I appreciate you asking.

00:11:46
Speaker 5: I you know, I think at this point, I've gotten so used to just not having privacy.

00:11:50
Speaker 4: But it's not like in a bad way.

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Speaker 5: I just I think for me, I'm like, look, if I'm just me and I'm as authentic as I can be, you know, maybe sometimes I'm too honest for my own good, but I feel like as long as I can just be real, then ultimately it all work out. So I didn't plan, obviously for people to know more about my uh you know, the intimate aspects of my life.

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Speaker 4: But that's just the way that it is.

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Speaker 2: Do you get affected at all by the comments that people put on social media?

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Speaker 5: I did it first when I first came off like the Bachelor. Yeah, of course I was a big time people pleaser. But I've really worked on that aspect of me and I just really don't care about the majority of people's opinions now, so good for you.

00:12:32
Speaker 4: I have self love and self confidence.

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Speaker 5: So no, so now when I see them, I I mean, maybe again, well do they maybe?

00:12:38
Speaker 4: Will? They will? They annoy me slightly, but like why lose sleep over them?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: Do I think about them more than a couple of seconds.

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: So, but you did it one time? Is that what you're telling me.

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Speaker 4: All ye, I was eaten alive by the comments, you know at first.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so tell me how have you moved forward from being the bad guy? Like how do you do it? Because I will tell you some people from Golden have not have really struggled being seen as bad people, and you know it affects us, all right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you have to.

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Speaker 5: I mean, at least what worked for me is to be introspective, so to go with them and figure out exactly who I was, because for a while, again I was just trying to pease everybody that I was around, being a people pleaser.

00:13:23
Speaker 4: I like that version of me.

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Speaker 5: So what I did was I started to go internal and say, Okay, who am I and who do I want to be? You know, and I'm not really being the person that I actually want to be. The real version of me has been suppressed. So in the last couple of years, I've been able to like really tap into like my creativity and just the parts of me that I was always fearful of judgment from others. Once you figure out who you are and and you stand by it and you're confident, I mean, it doesn't really matter what everyone else thinks at that point, so I found like, yeah, once I found love in myself, I was like, look, I don't care then what you think about me, because this version of me I love, and then the right people love that.

00:13:57
Speaker 1: Not only handsome.

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Speaker 3: Is that the dance?

00:14:01
Speaker 1: He said, the guy's hands and he can dance and he's prophetic. It's amazing.

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Speaker 5: Oh thank you. Yeah, no, I just the dancing. Yes, was a big part of like my rebirth. That was actually the word that I chose for twenty twenty four. Every year I like to choose a word to focus on, but that was the word that I chose for last year. I'm like, look, I want to be reborn into the real version of me, the version of me that I really enjoy being, not you know, the facade that I'm trying to you know, hold for everyone to go, oh, that's the that's the bachelor, right.

00:14:29
Speaker 4: I pushed a lot of that pressure on me.

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Speaker 5: I was like, the bachelor, you know, the most sought after man in America, the you know, he's the sweetheart, he's he can do no wrong. That's what I placed on my shoulders. And that's just I mean, you can't have.

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Speaker 3: To be real. You have to be real true to yourself right.

00:14:43
Speaker 4: Now, I am and people, yeah, I know too much about me, but I'm like, well that is what it is.

00:14:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, you have a real smile on your face now, and that's that's genuine.

00:14:52
Speaker 5: So you're bringing out too because you got I can just tell balls of energy like we and when you guys are to gather, I can't.

00:14:59
Speaker 1: Image how, oh my god, we start a party.

00:15:02
Speaker 4: That's awesome.

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Speaker 5: So you guys, I mean obviously I would assume, I mean, you're doing the podcast, but you guys are now going on a cruise, like you guys have formed a pretty solidified relationship, which is awesome.

00:15:11
Speaker 3: How about you whoever you're still friends with?

00:15:13
Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I would say my closest friends Brandon Jones. So you know from the when I was on The Bachelorette, you know Michelle's season. Yeah, he but I liked a lot of those guys from that season, you know, like there's there's Rodney, Nate, you know, I've I've hung out with a few of them. Of course, some of them have now serious girlfriends and they're in that stage of their lives. So you don't hear from this module and also, I mean I I not just to put that on them. I also am one of those individuals that you may not hear from me for a few months and then I come out of the woodworks. That's just the way that I operate. You know, my friends, Clinton's just doing a thing for a few months, He'll be back.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that when I was reading up on you, Clayton, because you know, I like to know who I'm dancing with, dancing with, get it. So you're you do a lot of and now hearing you talk doesn't surprise me. You do a lot of talk about mental health for men, and you give talk. Can you talk a little bit about that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think that at least the way you know, when I was raised, the environment that I was raised within, and I think not even just within the state of Missouri, but I think nationally at the time. You know, if you were watching movies pop culture had you know men, they were alpha males or this is what they portrayed as an alpha male, you know, or they were a football player, elite athlete, a soldier, a warrior with that you know, rambo type, you know, like the type of all them that just you know, they just like didn't wouldn't shed a tear, and if he did, it was in the mainlyest possible way, but just took care of business and and it was as tough as they come, right. That was the That was how men were shown growing up. And I played football, which was a very violent sport, so again there was no time for emotion. If you have issues with you know, people, go beat them up or or go hit them hard on the football field.

00:16:56
Speaker 4: It was always physical.

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Speaker 5: So there was there was a part of me I never tapped into, which was the emotional side, and a lot of men that I am aware of that around my age didn't tap into it either. Back in the day, you know. And I say that now, I'm like, back in the day, I'm.

00:17:10
Speaker 1: Like, i mean, how old do you wait? How old are you? How two? Back in the day when color TV was you know, come on.

00:17:20
Speaker 4: What can I say that?

00:17:21
Speaker 2: But it's so true because our parents taught, especially the boys, to suppress the emotion and you know, as well as either to be healthy, you have to express the emotion if you will, at least to yourself.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was that was, you know, big for me to understand. It also was very freeing. But the interesting part was actually got harder before it got easier, because when you have no baseline for emotional intelligence and you start building upon it, and I mean I had something. It wasn't like a complete idiot, but I certainly haven't proved a lot. But the hard part was also you start realizing all these different emotions and what they feel like, and so then also actually becomes harder than easier because now, yes, how I feel this emotion. Now I feel this emotion. Okay, now like why I can understand why this happened, and so like it actually brings up a lot and it becomes very overwhelming. So it's important to obviously be talking to people, to have a therapist, which I went to. But then over time it starts to like settle down and then you feel like you have you know, more control. But it's it's interesting though the dynamic, like I felt like I was pushing away people, which rightfully so I was like, hey, I'm really struggling with my mental health. So my dating life kind of took a nose dive because I think, you know again like some women you know, are like, look, I don't want to like have a project.

00:18:34
Speaker 4: I want a guy.

00:18:34
Speaker 2: That's emotionally available, you know, not but also vulnerable.

00:18:40
Speaker 1: We want them vulnerable, emotionally available, you know, we want them to be able to knock buildings over in a single. You know. We want it all.

00:18:49
Speaker 4: We want it all, Clay, and I want it all too. So you know it's.

00:19:00
Speaker 1: So, wait, are you dating?

00:19:03
Speaker 4: Not now? Not really at the moment now?

00:19:06
Speaker 3: By choice?

00:19:07
Speaker 4: By choice?

00:19:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just not interested or if the right one comes along, you wouldn't turn your head.

00:19:13
Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, that's I have really high expectations, and I hope that, you know, I can uphold that for wherever I meet that goes, oh, hey, like this guy is you know, all that in a bag of chips.

00:19:22
Speaker 3: That's what I got to ship together.

00:19:24
Speaker 4: That's what I'm hoping for.

00:19:25
Speaker 5: And I think like im, But I also don't feel I'm not I'm not all the way there yet, which we never are weever.

00:19:30
Speaker 1: If you the minute you so, the minute you stop and say I'm complete, I'm finished, you're going to be six feet underground. So you know, if you're not work in progress, you're not growing.

00:19:40
Speaker 5: No, it's correct, yeah, exactly, And I know that I'm not looking for like a perfect person like myself, as I'm not expecting my like like Okay, Clayton and Clayton, I'm going to wait for like this perfect moment. No, I know that I'll always be a work in progress, but I just feel like there's a few more things still that I'm trying to just really lock in and just make sure that I'm like, okay, if it really stay with where I'm at, I've got I've got a lot of great.

00:20:02
Speaker 4: Things, you know, churning around me. So I'm just like waiting for.

00:20:06
Speaker 1: Tell us, what are these great things? I want to What do you mean there's that's smart you You can't say it. You can't say that not expect us to ask.

00:20:15
Speaker 5: I know, I know, but I'll just say that I have some some very fun things swirling around that that people will.

00:20:23
Speaker 1: Be to do with dancing, something to do with dancing.

00:20:26
Speaker 4: I don't want to get to too specific.

00:20:28
Speaker 5: I'm honestly I hate to be that guy you like, Oh great, Clayon's like saying I have a secret, but I can't tell you.

00:20:32
Speaker 1: Wait a second, are you going on? Are you going to dance with the stars? We want to break it on this podcast.

00:20:38
Speaker 5: If you are that one, I can tell you with full certainty not I've not heard a single.

00:20:43
Speaker 1: Would you do with them?

00:20:44
Speaker 4: Of course I would.

00:20:45
Speaker 3: I love to dance too.

00:20:48
Speaker 4: And you're going to pay me to dance to.

00:20:50
Speaker 5: What's your favorite what's your free like if you want to throw some money my way?

00:20:55
Speaker 1: What's your best step clayon? What's your best move? What's your what's your favorite dance?

00:21:01
Speaker 5: I you know, it's either like the it's called the my favorite one was called the Smeeze. It's like it's like a jump style. I don't it's kind of hard to explain, but it's that or the doggy. You might you probably you guys have heard the doggie.

00:21:14
Speaker 4: I'm not.

00:21:15
Speaker 3: I watch you.

00:21:16
Speaker 2: I'm telling you don't see my comments my heart.

00:21:19
Speaker 1: No, I follow your stuff, but I just want you to I'm working on the box step. I've got for half the waltz down. You know, I'm looking at the chot chob. I don't know the dog What are you talking about?

00:21:29
Speaker 4: No? I mean look, I think, I mean, I mean, how can you not have fun? We were dancing? I mean, even when you're practicing, you know, obviously the field it's just so fun, like it's gets you going.

00:21:36
Speaker 2: And to me, it doesn't even matter what I do. I'm just out there. I feel the beat. I just dance and if you.

00:21:42
Speaker 3: Don't like it, they'll watch.

00:21:43
Speaker 1: I don't care that season to motto, No I know.

00:21:47
Speaker 5: And that's why I'm saying, Susan, I've heard I'm like that you're you're pretty lively when you go out to these events, you know, the dance floor.

00:21:53
Speaker 2: That I'm one that tell me something you're excited about.

00:21:59
Speaker 4: You know. I think I've just been excited about everything.

00:22:02
Speaker 5: Yeah, real life, right, I mean, and I know it's just kind of a cliche answer, but I but it's something that I probably wasn't able to say, you know, for most of my life. So I think, like, right now, I'm just in a really awesome spot and you know, excited to see like what comes you know.

00:22:15
Speaker 4: Next, let me next.

00:22:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like there's there's just a lot of you know, I feel like I have all this, you know, these good vibes that that I'm just carrying with me right now, and as long as I stay positive, it seems like everything around me falls into place.

00:22:27
Speaker 1: So that is that is beautiful. But let me say, Clinton, I think that what you're saying is so important A lot of life is your attitude towards it, and you have such a positive attitude that your life can't help but go great because you have that positive attitude.

00:22:44
Speaker 2: And do you feel like being on the show and going through everything that you went through has brought you to where you are today? Like with if you weren't ever on Bachelor a Bachelorette, do you think anything would be different than how you feel about yourself right now?

00:22:59
Speaker 5: That was saying, Yeah, I really do believe that the show is a major catalyst self love, which is which is crazy, you know, even crazy for me to say, because like depended on what point in you know, my life after the show that you asked me how I felt about it. I, you know, really hated my experience for probably a year and a half after the show, where I was like, man, I wish I could just go back and redo it over it. Yeah, But then I found, you know, like I hit that point they found the silver lining. I started to be able to forgive myself and just like give myself grace and and then started to build back up.

00:23:34
Speaker 4: Like I realized at the end of the show.

00:23:36
Speaker 5: Again, I didn't anticipate being a polarizing individual, but I was, so I ultimately had to go, Okay, why am I polarizing?

00:23:43
Speaker 4: What upset people?

00:23:44
Speaker 5: And I found some places in my life areas of improvement Once I worked on those things, I really I'm like, wait, I'm actually liking what I'm becoming.

00:23:52
Speaker 1: I think you're you think like this, Yeah, I mean what you're saying, at least what I'm hearing is that if you hadn't been the bad, you wouldn't have had the opportunities for growth that you've had to bring you to the point where you are today. Yeah.

00:24:05
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we have.

00:24:06
Speaker 1: The curly hair and the beautiful teeth.

00:24:09
Speaker 3: Smile.

00:24:12
Speaker 5: The Bachelor gave me the the white teeth. They hit a couple of teeth fighting treats.

00:24:18
Speaker 3: They talked for that.

00:24:20
Speaker 5: The curly hair, I just I always had curlier, I just didn't put product in it.

00:24:23
Speaker 4: So yeah, so I started like switching things up, Dane.

00:24:29
Speaker 1: You know what's gonna happen. We're going to start getting DM Susan not for us. They're going to say, hey, can you hook us up with Clayton. We're gonna we're on it.

00:24:37
Speaker 3: It sounds to me like you're really really maturing.

00:24:40
Speaker 2: Okay, you've hit that spot where your confidence is back, and it's about you tell me what you think about aging. How do you feel about that? Because you know that's inevitable. It does happen to all of us.

00:24:54
Speaker 4: My best years are ahead of me.

00:24:55
Speaker 3: That's the way I love his attitude.

00:24:58
Speaker 4: I mean, how do you'll feel?

00:24:59
Speaker 5: I mean again, like you guys have your live life and like look at you with what you're doing right now.

00:25:03
Speaker 4: I mean, it just gets gets better and better, doesn't it.

00:25:05
Speaker 3: It keeps getting better. It's I mean the possibility.

00:25:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Susan and I are are poster children, poster adults, poster seniors whatever. For life is never over. Uh, you know, get on enjoy, enjoy who you are.

00:25:22
Speaker 5: You know you guys, you know what you guys really are. I mean you're, like you said, a poster child. For like, it's never too late to try something, right. That's that's let me not you guys to a tea. I mean that is exactly what you all show people go oh reality television, You guys are way past that prime point.

00:25:35
Speaker 4: No, you're like, screw that. I'm gonna go do it because like, get this an opportunity.

00:25:39
Speaker 5: I'm jumping on it and now I think, I mean, I guarantee you if you guys, I'm sure you've inspired people. I'm sure you get d ms from people saying like you, you know, inspired me to.

00:25:47
Speaker 4: To try a new hobby. Right.

00:25:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, not going on reality television because that you know, it's bold to throw yourself out there. But I mean, you guys have to be truly inspiring multiple people, which is awesome.

00:25:57
Speaker 2: And the best message to Kathy and I both have coming off that show was telling women it's not over at sixty you still have, Like we've both cliver at seventy season, the last chapter the longest chapter, but the best chapter because we've done all the work, We've raised kids, grandkids and so on, and we're true to ourselves at this point and anything anything as possible. I'm all about the universe putting positive and I attract more positive sharing that.

00:26:29
Speaker 1: Do you think though, that Clayton from where you are, Like when I was your age, I looked at my parents and I thought they were old. I think aging, not just Susan and I, but I think aging, the definition of aging is really changed.

00:26:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well I think nowadays I mean again from back when my parents were at my age. I mean there's been all these you know, lifestyle improvements and new wellness routines that you're able to turn back the clock, so you know, again like from what my parents back then. I mean, I always looked at my parents as I don't even know if I ever attributed an age to them. They were when I was young, they were just my parents, you know, and then I just felt like they stayed the same age for so many years of my life until I put a couple of gray hairs on their head after the whole show myself.

00:27:16
Speaker 3: Did they handle everything?

00:27:18
Speaker 5: I mean, my mom is, you know, it tore her to shreds. I mean, she's she's she's i mean just very emotional in the best possible way. But she gets really attached, you know, especially which is awesome to me and my brothers. Like my mom loves us to death. Unfortunately whenever like somebody says something poor about us, yeah, her more than it hurts us. So that was hard for her, you know. And but she's, you know, as long as I'm happy, and she sees that, then she's now happy again, right, So she's she's seeing me, you know progress, and she's like, Okay, he's in a good spot, so she's fine.

00:27:51
Speaker 4: My dad, my dad was just like he'll figure what the hell.

00:27:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad was like whatever man doing and he at first like didn't think it was He acted like it was wasn't all that.

00:28:01
Speaker 1: Was he the guy that need to work on his EQ.

00:28:04
Speaker 5: Well you know, he's he surprisingly has a higher Q than what I gave him credit for. He he just doesn't express it like he He internally can can vocal or he can vocalize a very intellectual you know, or discussion around emotions, but he doesn't. He never he never speaks up unless like you bring it up to him. So I found that I'm like, oh, he doesn't talk about it, but he actually has quite a bit of intelligence in that realm.

00:28:28
Speaker 4: He just decides not to have to say anything about it.

00:28:31
Speaker 3: So yeah, I wish I was more like that.

00:28:37
Speaker 1: I was just going to say, wait, you're supposed to be asked for your opinion? Wait what?

00:28:42
Speaker 4: Well?

00:28:42
Speaker 5: I know, yeah right, I'm like, maybe that's why they put us on these shows, because you're like, person won't stop.

00:28:47
Speaker 1: Pathy opinion Susann opinion, Now Clayton opinion. Oh no, it's all coming your way.

00:28:54
Speaker 5: You have a lot in common, as I find out, like a lot of people that come go on reality television, you have a lot of commonalities, right, Yeah, your risk takers.

00:29:01
Speaker 4: You're just that's when you try it.

00:29:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're willing to give it a shot, and you also likely have some type of very unique personality trade.

00:29:09
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what sells on TV.

00:29:10
Speaker 5: I mean if you have a bunch of people that sit in a room and they're all just proper and they're all.

00:29:14
Speaker 4: Right, we'll just wait and see. No, like they want to ring right, like entertaining TV cells.

00:29:19
Speaker 5: And that's why it's extremes, whether it's like a bunch of happiness or whether it's anger. So I realized them, like with a TV show again, things seem to be more dramatic than what they are. They might be dramatic at that moment, but then afterwards you're like, look, I can't be that mad at this person. Yeah, there's points in the past I'm mad at some of the contestants and they blew that out of a portion.

00:29:36
Speaker 4: But I'm like, no, they're just doing it because it's TV, right, They're doing their.

00:29:39
Speaker 1: Job, right, their job.

00:29:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the first time on we don't know anything, we're just being there.

00:29:44
Speaker 4: We are, Yeah, no, but I had I had an experience with them there.

00:29:47
Speaker 5: I won't say her name, but there was someone that I ended up like going out on a boat with with a bunch of other people from the show.

00:29:52
Speaker 4: And this was like before the women tell all for my season.

00:29:55
Speaker 5: So I'm like talking to her and everything's going great and we're you know, we're being friendly. And there was like a week later we got to the Women's tell all, or it was a couple of weeks later, and she.

00:30:04
Speaker 4: Goes at me like full fledged, like you met, you met, were messing up, Like you could have been so much better than what you were. And then afterwards, like she comes out to me and she's like, so, how have you been? And I was like, what the hell was that?

00:30:15
Speaker 3: Really mean?

00:30:17
Speaker 4: That's just TV. She's like, it's not a big deal, and I'm like, what.

00:30:20
Speaker 1: I mean, let me just say claik. When I said zip it, I meant it.

00:30:25
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:30:25
Speaker 1: It got me into so much trouble, I mean so much was like really zip it?

00:30:30
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. I know. I know. People will take something and make a mountain out of molehill.

00:30:34
Speaker 1: But you're right. But you know what, I didn't zip it and I have a podcast, so does it worked for me?

00:30:48
Speaker 2: I do have a personal question though, do you have a type like a woman?

00:30:53
Speaker 3: Do you think you have?

00:30:54
Speaker 1: It's about sixty eight years old, dark brown hair, spring back and sayings, and I can dance.

00:31:03
Speaker 4: That's what's gonna come down too. Who can Who can dance a little? Who's actually not even? Who can dance better?

00:31:08
Speaker 1: Just have a Oh wait, wait did you hear that, Susan? You lose who brings more energy? I have the most energy. You totally got you dance.

00:31:20
Speaker 4: Practicing. All I need is the efforts.

00:31:23
Speaker 1: Oh Clayton, I'm telling you this is I've been looking for him here he is right in my screen.

00:31:27
Speaker 4: Right.

00:31:27
Speaker 1: Well A, we're gonna move on. We're gonna move on to our fan questions.

00:31:32
Speaker 3: I need to give some advice, so.

00:31:34
Speaker 1: We give some advice. All right, go ahead, Susan, give the go ahead.

00:31:38
Speaker 3: Okay, this is from anonymous.

00:31:41
Speaker 2: My husband and I have been married for twelve years with three young children, ages eight to thirteen.

00:31:48
Speaker 3: We are forty five years old.

00:31:50
Speaker 2: He constantly has a podcast playing in one ear through an AirPod. He does it at home in the car. It really bothers me because it makes I am not present in the moment. I've mentioned it over and over again, and he always has an excuse. For example, he says, no one was around, so I'm listening to it. He says that being I'm on my phone, so he's like, I can listen since you're on your phone. He doesn't initiate conversation ever, it's usually me, help, this is affecting our marriage, and I don't know what to do or say to him that I have already I think she meant have I haven't already.

00:32:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait before.

00:32:33
Speaker 1: Before you answer, Clayton, as long as he's listening to Golden Hour, we.

00:32:38
Speaker 4: Say, is it you guys that are the one that's putting yea, I give her.

00:32:44
Speaker 2: The other earpieces they check this out off.

00:32:49
Speaker 4: What's turning it up?

00:32:50
Speaker 1: That's what I like it.

00:32:53
Speaker 4: Say that.

00:32:54
Speaker 5: I was not anticipating that kind of question either. Okay, look, I mean communication is key, so I feel that, you know, she's obviously stated to him that you know, it's something that she would like for him to do less of. But I it's it's not really getting across, So she's gonna have to be a bit more stern in my opinion, like you're gonna have to really state this is bothering me, it's really upsetting me. It's you know, it's it's it's it's separating us to some degree or you know, and I feel like we're not able to connect as deeply as we should be able to. And you know, if this continues, maybe I kind of lead into like an outcome based like if this continues, this is what I can see happening. I don't want that, so raising the stakes. You know, men are at the end of the day. It's like, here's what like directness, like this is what can happen if this doesn't work out this way, and then like showing and raising the stakes, making it severe enough to say, like this is bothering me, right, it.

00:33:47
Speaker 4: Sounds like real.

00:33:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think she's brought it up, but she has like it's not serious enough for him to change his behavior, so she needs to increase the pain is not really the right word, but yeah.

00:33:57
Speaker 1: But but did you notice that that she writes that he says she's always on her phone. So I'm wondering if there's a little bit of that too, where he's like, why not, just you know, I've given up. I'm just gonna listen to a podcast because she's always on her phone, and even if that's not true, perception is truth, right.

00:34:17
Speaker 2: But also, like you just said, Clayton, communication is the key. You get to sit it down, talk about it. This doesn't work for me when you can't tell him he can't listen to it at all. But when we're together and we're driving in the car, we want to have a conversation. The deal is, I'll put my phone on silent, you take the thing out of your ear, and we are a couple and we'll talk about whatever we need to talk about.

00:34:41
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, boundaries absolutely listen to you, Clayton.

00:34:46
Speaker 1: That was a joint effort set in appropriate bound But you don't.

00:34:51
Speaker 3: Want to jump out and give him an ultimatum, you.

00:34:54
Speaker 4: Know, I make it seem that way.

00:34:56
Speaker 5: I think, like though, if it's not registering at some point, then you have to mistakes per se.

00:35:00
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm serious, Yeah, like.

00:35:03
Speaker 5: This is serious. I need you to realize this. But also, I mean, I think you know, you guys brought up a good point. She may also be doing behavior that he that he meant like, so I don't like the whole. Like when you bring up something that bothers you, someone goes, well, this bothers me that you do this. It's like, hey, no, no, no, no, Like I'm bringing up what bothers me? If it bothers you, that tip for tats up is dangerous?

00:35:25
Speaker 4: What makes up?

00:35:28
Speaker 1: We're I'm I'm going to hang out all all the dirty laundry. Wait, but I have a question. You guys are overthinking this. If it were me and my husband, it just takes damn I your pods and hide.

00:35:43
Speaker 3: That's going to cause a ruckus.

00:35:45
Speaker 5: To you know, listen, you know how guys get when the second they misplaced their keys, they start running around that where are damn headphones?

00:35:53
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:35:56
Speaker 1: See these?

00:35:57
Speaker 3: You gotta please me first before you get these. Yeah, make it interesting.

00:36:02
Speaker 1: Jesus said she should try it.

00:36:04
Speaker 4: Exactly to say she should try it. We gave her a few options so she can.

00:36:07
Speaker 3: Take Yes, So Anonymous, I hope we have helped you.

00:36:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, let us know, let us know. It's still hard. Okay, Clayton. We we've gotten to know you a little bit better and we want to open the floor up to you. Do you have any questions for us. You must want to know something. Yeah, and I'm not busy next Friday.

00:36:24
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, perfect, I'll be out.

00:36:27
Speaker 1: No, I'm not that damn it. I'm in Austin, Texas.

00:36:32
Speaker 4: Oh, that's an awesome spot.

00:36:33
Speaker 5: Actually is going to Austin if it wasn't if my brothers that live in Scotts still Austin was an not a spot that I was.

00:36:38
Speaker 3: I love Scotts Stale too, though.

00:36:40
Speaker 5: I mean, I can't be it can't be either. I do actually want to know. It's probably been asked, maybe, but what do you what? What was the most surprising aspect of going on reality TV for the both of you?

00:36:55
Speaker 3: The most surprising.

00:36:58
Speaker 4: Like the thing that's okay, it's a two part question. What surprised you the most? And what is like? What was your biggest lesson that you learned from it? Wow?

00:37:09
Speaker 1: Well it's easy for me. I don't know. I thought I didn't think an answer.

00:37:13
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Susan, I don't think I learned any lessons, okay?

00:37:18
Speaker 3: And why?

00:37:19
Speaker 4: And why? Is that?

00:37:20
Speaker 5: Because you feel that you were already so prepped from like just previous.

00:37:24
Speaker 2: I was unapologetically authentically me okay, and people like that I mean, I made friends, and that was the best thing to come out of the show. That I made good, good friends, and I looked at people and watched and learned how people react to different things. So it was a learning experience. But to bring something out of it, I don't know that I could answer that one.

00:37:49
Speaker 4: Can you?

00:37:49
Speaker 3: Kathy?

00:37:50
Speaker 5: For me?

00:37:52
Speaker 1: Susan and I are both who we are, and I think that's people that will like it or don't. We can somewhat be polarizing to our audiences because they either love us or don't. And I'm okay with that. I think for me, I've always been a pretty confident person, and I think being on Golden I realized that I really am okay with myself. You know, my my husband had passed away and so I had gone through a lot of trauma over that.

00:38:22
Speaker 3: But but going to know that going in that you were okay.

00:38:26
Speaker 1: With yourself, Well, I've said many times Golden, I am so grateful for being on the show because it really helped heal me. It brought me back to who I was, and I didn't realize I guess that's what I'm trying to say. I didn't realize how far I had strayed from uh because because of what I went through. So going on that show and feeling alive, feeling alive and I'm okay and I'm a good person and life is for the living, I think it just underscored the importance of life for me. And I don't know if that's really what you're looking for, but I just I'm just just I am a joyful person and I think i'd lost some of that after my husband died. So I will always be grateful to the Golden to the Bachelor franchise for for giving me happiness bringing me back to life. All Right, well, listen, this has been.

00:39:22
Speaker 2: I don't want to end this up. I'm having a good time.

00:39:27
Speaker 1: It was you. You are every bit Susan. I've been dying to have you on the podcast. You did not disappoint. You are amazing, amazing, And you're in l A. You're not in Arizona, right and that's your home base. Yes, you're in Scottsdale or where we're coming out.

00:39:49
Speaker 4: Let me just say, you're going to try to not have fun here, so the three of us and Scott still, that's just gonna be. They're gonna have to shut the city down, send me your number.

00:39:58
Speaker 3: I'll text you when we're on our way.

00:40:01
Speaker 1: Let me just say, Clayton. The other thing is Susan. I can't believe this may be the first podcast that she hasn't said, so let me say it for her. Should you find miss right, Susan would be delighted to officiate your wedding, for she's that capability. Yes she does.

00:40:18
Speaker 3: And you didn't watch our show, Clayton, really.

00:40:21
Speaker 4: Listen, I I Clayton. I hardly even watched my own season. I had to. I had to watch enough of it.

00:40:27
Speaker 1: She Susan married Gary and Teresa and I got to do the color commentary with Jesse Palmer.

00:40:33
Speaker 3: Best event of my life so much.

00:40:37
Speaker 4: You have to hang out with Jesse because that's my That's like my big I love him.

00:40:40
Speaker 1: Can I tell you I love that guy? He's uh my son just real quickly. My son turned forty uh this year, and for two years my son has been asking me to have Jesse sign an autograph for him. And so my son played college lacrosse, so I had this lacrossball and he's got you're not old enough, but he has Craig Bigio second basement for the Houston Astros and Clyde Drexler who played for the Houston Rockets and now he has Jesse Palmer's signature on that and crossball. So that guy, yeah, that guy is golden in my book.

00:41:14
Speaker 2: You absolutely are the best. Thank you so much for joining us today. We had some fun with him, and ladies and gentlemen out there listening. You have to look at this man. He's so beautiful. Okay, Susan, get over inside and out. Yeah, your taking you're taking weekly occurrence.

00:41:31
Speaker 4: Let's make us a week.

00:41:32
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Listen. If you enjoyed this episode with Clayton, you need to check out our episodes because we have them coming out every week. Lots of new guests coming up you won't want to miss.

00:41:44
Speaker 2: And make sure to submit those questions because just like Clayton did, we gave some advice somebody else, we will tell what we think you know how to do it. Go to Bachelor Nation dot com, slash Golden Hour, or dm us on Instagram at Bachelor Happy Hour.

00:42:00
Speaker 1: Listen to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour on the iHeart Radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Until next time, have a great week.

00:42:09
Speaker 3: Yeah,