Framber's cross-up crisis, Rockies-Giants brawl, Shohei’s HR missile

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Speaker 1: I feel like it was a good day for this. The Tower of the Backup Catcher. There's not a chapter in there about what we're about to talk about. I hope actually neither of you have gone through. No, no, what we're about to talk about, right.

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Speaker 2: That's what I think we're about to talk about. Yeah, that it would not be a good conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's a good book, by the way, it would not be in the book.

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Speaker 2: But I appreciate the shout out for the book.

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Speaker 1: The Talb of the Backup Catcher.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, David Ross is great in that book. Oh is it a different book?

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Speaker 1: A book?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry? How how I made my money is how the title of that book.

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Speaker 1: Leicester BFF. You didn't have a Lester bff crat.

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Speaker 3: That is why I played for fourteen different organizations, nine different teams, and.

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Speaker 1: No dancing, even though you would have been fantastic. Yep, all right, here we go. I want to have some time for this. It's not charged them ound. It's the Yankees beat the Astros in the opener of the series, but that's not the story. Fran Barvaldez gave up two home runs to left handed hitters, which is very rare for him, but that's not the story. After the Grand Slammy surrendered to Trent Grisham. There was a cross up with his catcher, Saysar. Salas Are ninety three miles an hour to the ribs turned away as if he didn't care that there was a cross up. Afterward, they said it's all good. After chatting in the manager's office, Framber said it wasn't on purpose. We have two catchers on this show. It's the cross up controversy. This seems like he had a hit on his catcher. Remember he gives up that grand slam and it looked like saves our salads. I was trying to stop.

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Speaker 2: Him a j from He told her to step off. You see if you if you, if you run it back. Salazar gives him the old universal step off signal, and Frommer did not step off. He threw the pitch and the volpy Volpe's like, what df was that? He shocked? Yeah, uh you see salas Ar give the wave. Yeah, that's the universal, don't pitch step off. Fromber says, screw it. I'm gonna chuck this sinker. It's gonna go in the croft for boxes for a granny. Trent Grisham's like thank you, and it's almost at thirty homers by the way, and then this one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what happened? How does this happen?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. With PitchCom, I really don't know. I can understand there were pictures I had is I mean, I don't want to underrat a part of this across up his Yeah, there's some very Volpe's faces money, But I don't know. With pitchcomb Craft, you had PitchCom. I never had PitchCom but it could happen. Octavio Dotel couldn't see. So there were times when I put down two and he threw a heater, but that was when you had to give the old fingers. Now you just push a button and it says in your ear and you can hear it. So I don't know how there could possibly be a cross up with the Pitchcolm. I don't know. I mean, we don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I do know it wasn't a cross up. Let's just be honest. Let's not let's not try to let's not try to mince words. Let's not try to go through a translator see what the meeting was. Let's just look at his reaction. The first pitch he threw was just a change up that was up and away, So it was a one zero count. The Yankee fans that were in Houston, which they're not, you know, they're not more Yankee fans in Houston than there are Astro fans. They've probably settled down from at this point. The Grand Slam grisham ran around the base is one of the excuses of one of the people was it was loud. It was loud, it was hard to hear. I never played with the pitch calm, but I tried it out because it was coming into the game and then I quit, so I never got to use it. Yeah, I get it if it's loud. If it's loud like Game seven of the World Series, game seven to two outs like oh I can't hear, no, no, no, no, had settled down. This wasn't the first pitch right afterwards. This was an intentional pitch. Come at me, whoever wants to come at me. I've never seen it. And if you tell me, if you're a baseball player and you think this was not intentional, please talk to me. If you're a fan of Framber Valdez, say it because in my opinion, I don't. I would have a hard time finding a big league baseball player, even a minor league baseball player, that didn't think this was intentional, all based on Salazar's reaction, all based on Framber's reaction after he threw the pitch.

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Speaker 2: All right, So here's my thing. I don't want to Listen, I can't accuse anybody of any thing. Listen, what does it look like? I agree? But do I know that there's only two people that know what pitch he called and what pitch he threw, and that's Salazar and Fromber. I think that here, here's here's what it looks like. He gets. First of all, Salazar tells him to step off. Frommer says, screw this, I'm throwing this pitch anyways. Then it gets whacked out of the park for a home run. Right, so Salesar clearly didn't want to throw that pitch. So then who's Fromber mad at himself for throwing the pitch? Because I always told my pitchers what I put down is not the end all be all. It is a suggestion. I'm giving you my best suggestion. If you don't want it, all you gotta do is go like this, and I'll put down another sign and you throw it and if it gets hit then it's on you. So Salasar clearly didn't want him to throw it, he says, step off. He did not. He threw the pitch whack grand slam. Now he changed up high and away the next pitch. I don't know what was called in the pitch Calm again. Only two people know that answer, Sally and Fromber. He chucked the ball and it hit Salasar, his own guy, not the other team, his own guy in the ribs. Okay, then I know this. Whenever I was crossed up by a picture, the first thing the picture would do is say are you okay? Are you all right? Sorry? Or give you the the My bad, my bad. He didn't do any of that. He turned around and walked away like okay. So not only like whether he did it on purpose or not, that's kind of disrespectful to his catcher, the guy who's back there busting his tail right cratzy, Like whenever a guy crossed you up. First thing what they always say, I'm bad, I'm bad, Oh dude, I'm so sorry, my bad. I'm not bad. I couldn't see right, They're all that's the first reaction from every guy I've ever caught. So I don't know, man, but I know this. It's a bad look for the Astros. And and here's the thing about Salazar. What can sales Aar say? Salasar is a third catcher? You think Frober would have done this to Martine Maldonado? What don you think Dusty had him always catch from Berval does Martin? Because Martina would go out there and get his ass, right Diaz Diaz seems to have taken over that man, Victor. When he's out there, Victor Kartini, he's not doing one of those What does he do it to? He does it to the guy who What can he say? What can sells or say? If he says anything, they're gonna just shove him out of the door. So I don't know if he did it on purpose. He said he didn't, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that looks like this could have been on purpose.

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Speaker 3: I thought to Houston Media or whoever was in the scrum when I watched the scrum for frambur after the game, I thought they did a good job. The only thing that I disagree with what they didn't do, and maybe they didn't it'll come out and what AJ just said was more than two people have PitchCom payin you should have PitchCom I'm assuming it was out two at second base.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure he should.

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Speaker 3: There's five. I think there's five pitchcomps. There's four or five that are out there. Everybody hears what pitch is coming. They should have gone to those guys. But you know, maybe more will come out later. By this is it's a bad look. And I go back to I caught a guy named Juan Perez one time. He threw about ninety four ninety five lefty, and he crossed me up twice in the same game. The second time it was a slider that I went to go down and into a righty to catch, and it was ninety four and it missed a very very sensitive region by half an inch. Drilled me right and I mean missed my chest protector, missed my thigh like rate in the lower region. This guy was almost crying on the mount he felt so bad for crossing me up. That is the reaction that you get. That is the reaction you get when somebody who's out there and not putting their own personal things out there, not pouting because they gave up a home run.

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Speaker 2: They feel bad for the person on their team that they almost hit.

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Speaker 3: And this dude I'm talking about, he would he would pepper dudes on the other team stare him down. He was like a buck sixty. He didn't care, like he didn't care about hitting somebody. But hearing about somebody hitting hitting somebody on your own team, that's not the reaction of somebody that it was too loud.

00:10:11
Speaker 1: Sorry I'm not that's the question. Well, that's the question for Framberg. Hey, it was an accident. How come he didn't apologize, how he didn't care? Great, there's no answer to that. What's the answer to that? Oh, I didn't realize that he got drilled right.

00:10:27
Speaker 2: In the ribs. I mean, Salazar went to go out to the mound. If you watch it, he went to go out to the mound, and then he realized that from ran his back to him and he was just like, I ain't going out there.

00:10:35
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, this was on purpose in his brain.

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Speaker 2: Maybe in his brain. I can't tell you what he was thinking, but I will say this, if this was if there was even a thought of it being on purpose, there needs to be a adults only meeting down in the tunnel with Salazar and Fromber and whoever the heck else needs to go down there. And I A'm saying, you know, Papple Bond and Harper Style and the picture, but there is an adult conversation that needs if you had a grown man conversation like you're trying to hurt me and I'm on your team, Bro, that ain't cool. I'm your teammate. I'm back there catching must of my ass for you. It ain't my fault. I told pictures before they'd be like, I didn't want to throw that pitch. Okay, shake your head, but it ain't my fault. You threw a crappy pitch. That's on you. You threw the crappy pitch.

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Speaker 1: Not me.

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Speaker 2: If he throws down the middle, I can't. It's not my I struck out plenty of times. My fault, But I'm trying to hurt somebody on my team.

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Speaker 1: He cost himself a lot of money just now, I'm serious. He's a free agent after this year. The Astros definitely give out contracts, even to pitchers. They've given them out to starters, they've given them out to relievers. He hasn't gotten one. Maybe they haven't great on money. There are some teams, some owners even out there who will see this on social media and say, not for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm serious about that. Yes, take your word for it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, but he's a good He's one of the best free agent starters available talent.

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Speaker 2: Wow, this isn't the first time where he's kind of lost his mind on the mount.

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Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about. Though, this will cost him money.

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Speaker 2: Crafts guarantee guaranteed.

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Speaker 3: How much nobody ownver Reill tell but this will cost him a certain amount of money. And I know we got to get to Ken, But I to me like the reaction that AJ would have compared to the reaction that I would have as a backup catcher. Who you piss off the number one starter on your team. I know Hunter Brown's the number one starter, but you piss off one of the big guys on the team as a backup catcher. It's a way different reaction organizationally than if AJ does it. I'm just saying it's a so we can react to it two different ways. I'd want to fight the guy. I would want to punch him in the face underneath the underneath, the dugout like it makes it makes my skin boil to think that a teammate would do that to another teammate.

00:12:57
Speaker 1: He chucked the baseball at his teammate, period, chuck to baseball at his teammate. He had a hit on his teammate any game done periods.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I meant by a grown man conversation. We're having a grown.

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Speaker 1: Man conversation under the Yeah, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what. The first thing I would do is when when he turned his back on me and I'm Salazar, I'm rifling that song gun right at his knees. I mean as hard as I could throw. I'm rifling at his ankles, his knees. He could take at the point like what are you doing? Bro Like, and then there'd be a there'd be a like, there'd be a look for me, and and I would be throw whatever you want, I'll catch it. I don't care what you throw. I'd be like, your stuff ain't that good? Throw whatever the hell you want. And then the ending's over, and I'd go to the manager and I'd be like me or him, me or him and Krasty obviously couldn't do that, but I'd be like me or him, get us, get one of us out of the game because this ain't flying.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I hope it comes across at how like fired up it make like it makes me like I feel like I'm even actually kind of holding back, to be honest, because I've never seen.

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Speaker 2: We all are. I've never seen this. I've never seen this, but we all are. We all are because it's it's not something you've ever I've ever seen. I've never seen a guy on a team do something that looks And again, I'm not We're okay. I know we're crap saying. What are you saying? I can't say for certain. It's like an injury. I don't know if it's someone's he never guessed. I can only take a guy for what he said. We can speculate on what it looks like. But I know what it looks like. That's what it looks like. That's bad. If that's if that's what happened, I'm sorry. That's bad.

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Speaker 1: Ten out of ten bad, oh, twelve out of ten bad. Exactly, Yeah, that's why it leads to the show. This was one of the few cases where social media all agreed. Right. Social media doesn't agree on almost anything. Everyone was like, what the heck was that that was intentional? And then there were obviously the extreme of like I saw even cut him. I'm like, they're not cutting it, But are they resigning him? I don't think so.

00:15:04
Speaker 2: The better question is the next time he starts, who's who catches him?

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Speaker 3: Just putting saysar out there, Just say Sary, go go back and play with the wolves.

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Speaker 2: No chance there is. There is not a chance in the.

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Speaker 1: World if it's the iner Diaz. He's like, I'm here longer than you now, I'll be here longer than you watch yourself. GARTENI I think, is.

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Speaker 2: He ain't doing that though, to one of those I'm telling you, Crat, you know this. He ain't doing that. He ain't doing that to Diaz, and he ain't doing that to Quarantine. You know that. And I know that if he wouldn't do it, because he just he wouldn't, And that makes it even worse in my opinion, that makes it even worse.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. Uh, we're just chit chatting. I do want to get to this lies again. No, I'm not White Sox twenty twenty fine, well.

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Speaker 2: White Sox twenty nine. You said Rockies twenty twenty five too.

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Speaker 1: They're they're around, just like I just wanted to say Rockies twenty twenty five. Nothing about their results, just Rockies twenty twenty five, which we are going to talk about the Mariners right now. I do not like the Mariners. They cannot figure out winning on the road. And JP Crawford post game, I watched most of that game yesterday, the Junior Caminara game. He is ridiculous good. And the pitch that he hit coming in as someone base loaded down too and scored one true true. They also left put the fire in the game with the right spire the lefty to face Cameron Arow when they had Matt Brash warming up, and I'm like, Brash, Yes, either strikeout, no smokes, one pass gino and that's your ball game. Anyway, the Mariners lost. They've lost thirteen of nineteen. Cratchy boy cal Riley has fifty one homers, but now his team has to worry about making the playoffs. And the Rangers lost, thankfully for them, but this is real. They cannot figured it out on the road. JP Crawford said this has happened the last three years now, where they get in these ruts and it's spirals in August and September.

00:17:10
Speaker 3: The team that travels way more miles than everybody else is getting tired in August and September. Why don't they mix in some night game getaway days too, just to have that for the travel.

00:17:23
Speaker 1: It's tough.

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Speaker 2: It is a real thing.

00:17:25
Speaker 1: Especially late in the year. These trips seem to be a party.

00:17:28
Speaker 2: You give it every time to go to East. They win one and six and the band trips in the East.

00:17:32
Speaker 1: You want them early. That's what I've been told early in the year. We're throwing a curveball at you this week for our arena club segment. As AJ has opened up a Pokemon slap pack.

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Speaker 2: Did you say it?

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Speaker 2: Flatman?

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Speaker 1: Pokemon. Don't ask me to say what that card is, but we're doing with that card.

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Speaker 2: I already sold it back, baby. I bought it, and then I got more money than I paid for the pack, so I sold us straight back.

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Speaker 1: You bought it for two fifty, sold it for two and you can go get yourself something that you maybe know how to pronounce.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I know what it is. I said it because I saw certain people opening Pokemon and they're making money, and guess what I got. Lucky made money.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Michael Bush is having a great year.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand, but that's what they want to do. I agree that you're going to play Carlos Santana in the postseason against the lefty.

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Speaker 2: I want Michael Bush and lead off for me, like I agree, been raking. He's got like thirty homers.

00:19:02
Speaker 1: They got Turner off of playing any positions but anyway, pushing him forward, and Sabali they picked up to pitch out of the bullpen. Oh in Casey got optioned and they called up another top prospect, Kevin ALCNTRA. But there's some speculation that you know, he'll now stay under that forty five day windows that he's rookie eligible next year.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's almost as if there was people out there that said, when he got called up, where's he going to play? And he's not going to get enough of bats? And he had like twenty bats, twenty four at bats I think in how many days, and he wasn't playing every day.

00:19:36
Speaker 1: But it was also right before that threshold.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but also again he wasn't playing, So why was he called up? Because their outfield is I mean, I know Tucker sat a couple of days, but their outfield's pretty set.

00:19:48
Speaker 1: Played well for a couple of days when Tucker sat. Let's give him a little.

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Speaker 2: Taste, I don't know whatever. Co Cubs go.

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Speaker 1: There, good depth, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Trying, they're trying.

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Speaker 3: You'd better hope this this Tucker thing isn't isn't bad because if he's out, cubs are cooked. They might be cooked anyway making the playoffs and then one and Q, but.

00:20:15
Speaker 2: No organization has ever manipulated service time like the Cubs.

00:20:18
Speaker 1: Chris Bryant.

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Speaker 2: There they were the originators.

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Speaker 1: That changed the game, that led.

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Speaker 2: Rules changed a lot of stuff. Yeah, because they made the rule about rookie of the Year and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: He was what like three years old, best hitter in spring training, ready to go, and they're like his defense, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Defense, but fifty a year before forty homers in the minor leagues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then and then the exact day of the super deadline, they're like, his defense has been fixed, yes, cured up to the show.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Now it wasn't a super too. He became a super too.

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Speaker 1: But no, it wasn't two service time. They kept him a service.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:21:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, worked out for him. He ended up getting plenty of money in his career. Unfortunately, has been completely irrelevant for the last few seasons. My locket yesterday because Nolan McLain is doing what Fernando Valezuela did in his first four starts, the only two starters to be four and oh with a sub one five ora twenty five plus strikeouts over their first four career starts. And this is Cinciira became official in both leagues in nineteen thirteen, Fernando Mania nineteen eighty one, McLean Amania well.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday's offense picked him up because he yeah, well you give up some runs.

00:21:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean first inning a little Rocky didn't have his breaker, changed things up, and then he started cruising again. Ye against the Tigers team that's one of the best in the American League. So you got to give him credit, Kratz. Since they decided to call up Nolan McLain a year earlier than most anticipated, the Mets are playing much better ball.

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Speaker 3: The mess just want to win, and he's clearly solidifying himself as one of those top three starters. I don't care what game, I don't care what game he's starting in the playoffs. For him, he's getting a start and no better announcer to have. I hope people were listening to the Tigers game because Jason Bennetti AJ's boy was taught was said it perfectly. He was like that that is a sinker, but it's like glowing like the pitches he was throwing yesterday.

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Speaker 2: It was. It was incredible.

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Speaker 3: The variance what they call variants, slider to sinker variants, like the difference they both start the same spot. It was gross and Jason Bennetti encapsulated it very well. It was a sinker, but it was glowing.

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Speaker 1: It's the thing with McLean's stuff. You look at it and you're like, this looks different. Yeah, how come we weren't talking about this more? This guy just sneaks up on the scene.

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Speaker 2: You give up two in the first and then settle down nicely.

00:22:58
Speaker 1: That was it, right, Yeah, So Mets pick up the dub. Their offense has been on fire.

00:23:03
Speaker 2: But you know who we don't talk about for the Mets as a Clay Holmes. Nobody talks about Clay Holmes.

00:23:09
Speaker 1: I think he's starting tonight or today right now.

00:23:11
Speaker 2: But I'm saying for playoffs, we're talking Manaya and Singa and this guy and that guy, and Peterson and McLain and and all these guys. We don't even talk about Clay Holmes. He was thrown in the bullpen for a World Series team the last three years. So to me, that's an easy for me, that's an easy shift. When we have Carlos Mendoza on. Obviously he's not gonna say it.

00:23:35
Speaker 1: See you, Rapiel Devers trying to charge the mound, Kyle Freeland talking smack, no, wow, Robby didn't charge first.

00:23:47
Speaker 3: Raffie didn't charge the mound. Matt Chapman and William Domas charged the mound. They were Matt Chaming went after him hard. I was body checked in.

00:23:58
Speaker 2: That was not a whole me back.

00:24:00
Speaker 3: I'm gonna chat till I get you know, the cl Pueague thing where oh now someone's in between.

00:24:06
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna do something.

00:24:07
Speaker 3: By the way, Raffie in August is like a thousand slugging percentage.

00:24:11
Speaker 2: So there's that. But rafi.

00:24:14
Speaker 3: Raffie's like, well, I'm gonna keep running around. Chapman's like no, that ain't happening. William Thomas is like, yeah, this is my chance. I mean they wanted some pieces, and there was some. I hope Freeland was swinging with his right hand. That's all I gotta say. Well, nuke leloosh.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know why Freeling's so mad. I mean, guys hit homers and do this all the time. This is like, this is not a thing anymore. This is not a thing anymore. Remember we always say this, Anything is a go until somebody gets their poor little feelings hurt. And then then oh no, now we're gonna allowed to flip bats and watch home runs. Raffie Devers does this every home run he hits. This isn't the anything different than what Raffie Devers does. And I don't know who on the Rockies could do this, but I guarantee you somewhere along the way the Rockies dude hit a homer, stood there and watched and flipped his bat. I'm and I'm sorry, but this is not get mad at it anymore.

00:25:03
Speaker 1: Not allowed anymore. If you're on the if you're.

00:25:05
Speaker 2: Gonna say, let the kids play and you want this and that, take your time going around the bases, don't get mad. I'm sorry. I know you're frustrated, freeling, but you can't get mad at this. You can't. It's just not a thing anymore.

00:25:16
Speaker 1: You want to hear what each side said to state their case. We can start with Kyle Freelans, because everyone after the game was curious what ticked him off. It didn't seem like it was anything too crazy. Here's Kyle.

00:25:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, found it extremely disrespectful to, you know, show me up like that in the first inning after hitting a home run, standing there watching it, taking your sweet time getting down in first base. Then this league for quite some time, I know he is as well. I just wanted to extremely disrespect going. I felt that I need to let me know about that.

00:25:48
Speaker 1: So then I'm thinking, is he not familiar with Rappie's game because he went from the ALE to NL. But then you get the other side of the equation because the Rockies and the Giants meet up all the time. So Logan Webb post game was very telling on how he was not surprised that this went down.

00:26:10
Speaker 4: Surprised that hasn't happened before with that guy so kind of runs his mouth a lot of times, and.

00:26:20
Speaker 2: I forgot him good. So listen, if you listen, If you run your mouth, you better be able to take it because it's gonna come back at you. Listen to someone that round. I ran my mouth and I got hit fine because only one time I want to charge them mountain and I did it and I and I am happy that I didn't because it was Vincente Padilla and he hit me twice in the same spot, within like half an inch of each other. And I thought about it, but then I realized my right arm was known and if I went out there, I would have been like Rob Mature with no no arm, So I would have probably got my ass kicked. So I did it. But listen, somebody that's been thrown at and I run my mouth. There was a lot of times where I deserve to get hit. Fine, I took it. But then if I hit a home run, because there was times there was dudes that hit me and then I took him deep, then I was gonna watch it. And they knew that's fine. I understood. You strike me out and you fist pump me and I get you. I'm gonna go right back at you. That's fair. But if this is true what they're saying. Again, I'm not saying it's true. But if this logan web said he runs his mouth, then Devor hits his home run, you know what, I can't say anything. Jose Lima, when he was the first one to kind of do the whole shenanigans. I talked to him. He goes, poppy, I strike you out, I'm gonna dance. You hit a home run me, you can pimp it because I understand it goes both ways. And he was right. Listen, I ran my mouth, I got hit. I understood it. But then if I got you, oh, I was gonna get you.

00:27:49
Speaker 1: So you would say this to Kyle Freeland if you were playing against him, Hey, dude, it goes both ways. Not that Kyle Freeland's a big celebrator.

00:27:56
Speaker 2: No, no, no, yeah, but again I don't know, but there's if the Giants are saying he talks a lot and then again, but in today's game, it's different. Rob never sits the home run, stands there and watch it. That's what he does. He's been doing this his whole career. Why are we talking? Next time he comes up smoking? Can we talk?

00:28:15
Speaker 1: But why even smoke him?

00:28:16
Speaker 2: If I don't know?

00:28:18
Speaker 1: Always does and the.

00:28:19
Speaker 2: One is talking due as he's running around the Oh, you're telling him, hey, you know, I don't like that.

00:28:25
Speaker 1: You're saying you want to fight, make a better patch, but also you're basically saying you want to fight. And it's funny.

00:28:30
Speaker 2: They made exactly the best part of this is Raffie Devers had to play third base. After all these dudes got kicked. He played third base. They did Devers play third bag? You aget Devers to play third base, get the whole team kicked out, and Devers has to go play third The Red Sox didn't try that one.

00:28:49
Speaker 3: Freedlan Freedlan felt like he was disrespected. He was like, you hit a home run off me in the first inning and you watch it like Kyle Freeland's giving up twenty home runs before yesterday's game, like And he also said he took his took his time, like do we need a do we need a pitchclock? Do we need a running clock?

00:29:07
Speaker 1: Like?

00:29:07
Speaker 3: What is what is too much time to watch it? What is taking your time running the basis? Like is that the is there a prerequisite? I just I think I think Kyle Freelan was clearly something set the team off. They were prepared to be set off and prepared to be, you know, maybe more chirpy. If he's chirping, then the other team's chirping. And for a domis and and Chapman to both come out there like they did, that is that's rare to see that reaction was not unwarranted because he wasn't even he wasn't even like like if he was physically assaulting Devors, That's what I would expect the reaction to be. Somebody come out and push the guy, you know, someone else come out and body him up and then throw punch at Like No, it was like it escalated quickly, and I think it's because everybody was probably more on edge.

00:30:10
Speaker 1: It's still dog days, even though it's September, it is dog days.

00:30:13
Speaker 2: But again, I don't know. I mean, like Conkretsa, what's the protocol? Do you do you have it? Do you have to put a timer up there for how fast you have to run around the bases?

00:30:21
Speaker 1: Was fine?

00:30:22
Speaker 2: I know, that's what I'm saying. I don't know. I don't know what the disrespect came from. What was the disrespect because he stood there and watched his homer.

00:30:27
Speaker 1: No, to me, it's like a get off my lawn old school mix that I'm unfamiliar with.

00:30:34
Speaker 2: Now it's not it's not a thing anymore. Listen, I was as big in that as as now. I don't care because it's like whatever, do whatever. You want to have fun, go play the game.

00:30:42
Speaker 1: But the kids play right, said even he didn't look at the other he.

00:30:46
Speaker 2: Didn't look at it, He didn't look at free limit say anything. He just stood there and watched his.

00:30:49
Speaker 1: Homer, which is what it was, A nice homer, left on left, nice homer.

00:30:54
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:30:56
Speaker 3: I am definitely more in the old school, and I'm not like let the kids like it's not just run them up, Like, but Devers didn't stand at home plate and like pretend he had a rocket and like.

00:31:09
Speaker 2: Like that would be awesome. Think it is bad and make a rocket launcher and gone.

00:31:17
Speaker 3: If if there's one, that's my second favorite celebration, if it ever happens, And my first favorite one is somebody hits a nuke, takes their bat and snaps it over their leg. It looks at the picture and goes, that's all that one had and then runs the basis that would be bossed.

00:31:33
Speaker 2: So if anybody wants to pull that off, nobody's gonna do that because you just did a homer with a bat. Why would you want to break about you just hit a homer with because it would be the mega flex megaflex. Yeah, there's only a couple of times in my life where I've gone to the plate and I've tried, literally tried to hit a home run and it worked, and it was usually after a dude hit me. Okay, yep, there was usually a there's a I can name about three instances where dudes hit either threatened to hit me, or hit me, and then from that point on it was like, all right, now I'm lucked. Do you fn And I'm trying to take you deep And it happened. You know, there was times where it didn't work out, but the times that it did, they got a long trot around the base.

00:32:14
Speaker 1: It happens, it happens.

00:32:16
Speaker 3: I got thrown at him, back to back pitches. This was in the bushes, back to back pitches. He missed, Umpire came out, warned him.

00:32:23
Speaker 2: Next pitch. I was like, there's no way he's ever even coming close to inside.

00:32:27
Speaker 3: So I was looking for a fastball away and I thought I caught him to right field and I stood in the box, flipped my bat and it hit the wall and I was like, ah, then you have to run really hard to get the second.

00:32:39
Speaker 1: Yes you do, Yes you do. You got to make up for that. Lastly, the Giants have won nine of ten. Some people online are like, they're playing different. I'm like, all right, they're playing meaningless games. But okay, they're different. They're at the same level as they're five games, five games out. I got it. They're playing nicely. But yeah, Giggy, thank you, all right?

00:33:00
Speaker 2: How many games on the world card?

00:33:02
Speaker 1: Five the National League?

00:33:03
Speaker 2: I'm it's over unless the Padres continue to get every guy hurt in completely.

00:33:10
Speaker 1: I still think they don't.

00:33:13
Speaker 2: Lead over two teams. I don't think it's happened.

00:33:15
Speaker 1: No way it's done. But it's a cute finish. It's a cute finish for San Francisco. They'll lose a few spots in the draft. I mean, sorry, the season's over, but they're providing fireworks.

00:33:26
Speaker 2: And by the way, if the Rangers would have won last night, I would have thought I would have said, all right, they've they've they're going to do this.

00:33:36
Speaker 1: Not good. The news on Roman Anthony from Alex Cora, who did his w e I appearance on the radio. It could be four to six weeks for the Roman Era left oblique strain for him. See exited yesterday's game. It's called tightness now it's a strain, lead strain. Yeah, not good, not good. Remember he missed what a couple of games with the ACT and then after the game astraight he was like, no, this is not the this is this is not good.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: You never had one of these. You don't even understand.

00:34:07
Speaker 1: How bad it is, how much, how much it hurts.

00:34:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do anything. You can't breathe, you already breathe. You just like, don't move, don't left, don't sneeze, don't cough. You'd like every every move is oh, and you're afraid you're gonna hurt it again.

00:34:20
Speaker 1: They tell you to do nothing.

00:34:21
Speaker 2: You're literally like no, no quick movements, no, like it's definitely not doing crunches anytime soon.

00:34:31
Speaker 1: Super common in MLB two crats. It's a very common injury.

00:34:36
Speaker 2: It is. It's weird.

00:34:37
Speaker 3: It shows you how like no other sports, you're getting oblique injuries. But the boys are the boys are spinning on it. It's tough to see. It's tough to see, especially when he was like really like he had his feet on the ground. For this team, we just talked about yesterday's face and lefties like he's an everyday guy.

00:34:57
Speaker 2: Tough loss, tough loss with this team. They don't see any other sport because there's no other sport. We're twisting as much in the torque under the torque on your obliques and then it's also he or his left one, so that's stopping right, that's a stop one. I think that where should you do your front one? I remember what I did? Mind I can tell you the pitch I did on I was like, this is different than anything I've ever done in my life.

00:35:21
Speaker 1: It's September third from now.

00:35:24
Speaker 2: Six weeks puts them into the playoffs.

00:35:26
Speaker 1: The playoffs.

00:35:27
Speaker 2: Mid four weeks puts them into the playoffs.

00:35:30
Speaker 1: Six weeks put you into the ALCS.

00:35:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big blow for the Red Sox, probably the division because you know the boys will come to get.

00:35:43
Speaker 1: For That's a joke from yesterday's show. In case you were unaware, there's been an issue lately with people that catch our clips. Some people catch our clips on YouTube and then they get confused by things. Like one guy was saying, how it was rude that I was reading out the Blue Jay schedule and I should just know it and talk about it that way. Every two hour show we read things out. You're catching a five minute.

00:36:11
Speaker 2: Clip cleaning up Scott.

00:36:15
Speaker 1: So dirty.

00:36:16
Speaker 2: How do you not know every team schedule?

00:36:19
Speaker 1: That's when one guy said, don't waste money time, nice and simple, Hot corner show Heyo Tani appreciation a few minutes. Forty six home run was one hundred and twenty miles an hour off the bat and ninety nine miles an hour in on the fastball from Bubba Chandler giving up his first home run in the big leagues. Welcome to the big leagues. I still want Tony. You're right, the.

00:36:50
Speaker 2: Teams they did, don't And by the way, Chandler's two, and oh.

00:36:56
Speaker 1: Yes, Bubba Chandler, why.

00:37:00
Speaker 2: Not start him? Well, Lozinski started and then Chandler.

00:37:04
Speaker 1: Don't get me started on that. But show hey at average exit Vello ninety seven point three on pitches ninety five miles an hour or greater and second best in baseball. His sluging percentage is six seventeen on pitches ninety five miles an hour or greater. That is best in the National League. The dude handles v low. He's a machine. Hards wanted to give me some appreciation, especially in especially in nitre zone down in.

00:37:35
Speaker 2: His bad spot to throw. Yeah, the whole totany is away from what I've seen. You got it. You kind of got to get it up in a way.

00:37:42
Speaker 1: But down in away breakers, right.

00:37:44
Speaker 2: Change it yeah, left on left breakers of course, yeah, don't go down and in Bubba Chandler, he didn't mean to throw it there, right, and it got the positive. But what okay, So Bubba Chandler. We've gone into this. But if he's start, if he's sting.

00:37:56
Speaker 1: You can't get started.

00:37:58
Speaker 2: Why don't we just start him in the game. Why not just start him in the game.

00:38:02
Speaker 1: The Dodgers would do that. They did that with Showe Hey Otani, who was building his way up right now. He is trying to be a five maybe even six inning guy heading into the playoffs, which would be great for Dodgers fans. But what did they do when they were working Otani back?

00:38:16
Speaker 2: They started him.

00:38:17
Speaker 1: Here's an inning, here's two innings, et cetera.

00:38:21
Speaker 2: Not a fair comparison. Why when did it come to Kate Horton? Who because O'tani has to start so we can stay in the game as DH so not a fair comparison. But cratch, what did the What did the Cubs do with Kate Horton? They threw him to the walls except for his first start. We didn't want to pitch against Mett's first inning. They let him start. If he's gonna be a starter, let him start. Not even if he's gonna be I don't care what he's gonna be. Make the transition easy.

00:38:47
Speaker 3: The exact the exact reasoning was to ease him into the big leagues.

00:38:52
Speaker 2: To ease him into major league.

00:38:54
Speaker 3: Baseball, he has done the exact same thing his entire career.

00:39:00
Speaker 2: Start.

00:39:01
Speaker 3: Let him start in the big leagues. That's the easiest way to me. This is somebody who never played, never got a big league debut, making this decision. In my opinion, I don't know if you can remember your debut, AJ, but if they said, hey, you know what you're starting tomorrow, AJ, Congratulations, welcome to the big leagues. You're playing left, there would be a little bit more nerves. I'm just saying, he's warming up in the middle of the game, and I know they're giving him a runway, easy, clean innings. No way, he's sitting down in the bullpen, going this.

00:39:35
Speaker 2: Feels just like the minor leagues. I got this, no problem. No, he's in a.

00:39:40
Speaker 3: Bullpen, Like what if I long toss? What if the ball that I throw goes out into the field. They're not setting him up for success.

00:39:47
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's a loser move by a loser organization right now. It's just simply put.

00:39:55
Speaker 2: As a kid say, as a kid, say they're doing too much. Just don't do too much. Just just let him go.

00:40:04
Speaker 1: One minute left in this segment, sho he Tani another MVP.

00:40:09
Speaker 2: Ye hard to argue with him. In the National League? Who else is there?

00:40:12
Speaker 1: Nobody? For me?

00:40:13
Speaker 2: Is there anybody else?

00:40:14
Speaker 1: I don't think it's close this year.

00:40:16
Speaker 2: There's nobody in that league that's close. Schwarber would be the next closest to me. Schoreber's fun, it's a fun thing to talk about. But he's the close to me. He's the closest.

00:40:26
Speaker 1: I mean, can't you make a case that Trey Turner is having a better season than Shoreber. He's been one of the best defensive shortstops in the game this year. He's the complete package, hits, I guess, scoring runs, set in the table, the whole deal, no crats if you're looking at.

00:40:42
Speaker 3: Could end up Schober could end up with one hundred and twenty RBI. I mean fifty five dingers, you know, fifty eight dangers like he could. He could do some really special things to get votes. Is yeah, is Turner having a better year? Nobody's more valuable than what Schreber's on that team in my opinion.

00:41:14
Speaker 1: Number forty for Junior Camerinara. This is data dish powered by Inside Edge, so Inside Edge says that Junior Camerinara has a hard hit rate of sixty eight percent against pitchers who have thrown at least eighty pitches in a game this season, second best in the American League. Junior hit ball hard.

00:41:33
Speaker 2: No one's even talking about it.

00:41:35
Speaker 1: Nobody is talking.

00:41:37
Speaker 2: Is he rookie? Is he a rookie? No, that stinks. He called it. He got forty six days last year, stupid race.

00:41:45
Speaker 1: Not a rookie. Let's see how many how many games do you think he logged last year.

00:41:51
Speaker 3: I wonder if this translates. I wonder if this translates over the next year. Like it seems like he's not just picking on guys that are throwing softer once they hit their eighty pitches. He's seen these guys. He's still young in the league. Now he goes back and sees him again. Second time he gets to face a guy.

00:42:11
Speaker 2: Be interested.

00:42:12
Speaker 3: Maybe there's an uptick forty plus home runs for next year, a hundred, he's got a month agost.

00:42:19
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:42:20
Speaker 1: His defense has gotten much better over the course of the year too. I mean he is really doing it on base percentage, if you want to look at something, I mean two ninety nine, but he's a slogger forty and one hundred. He's driving in runs. I'll take the two ninety nine three four. Actually I messed up. Last year was two ninety nine three oh four.

00:42:39
Speaker 2: Still yeah, i'll take I'll take forty in one hundred.

00:42:42
Speaker 1: Agreed. So he had one hundred and seventy seven played appearances last year, and technically he got called up in twenty three for seven games thirty six played appearances. But I guess last year, and I think it's forty five days. I want to say not games. So then he probably exhausted it, but not by much last year. Damn raised you could have gotten yourself a pick. But good for them. They called him up, they let him do his thing, and now he gets a full year here this year. And you should hand that man an extension if he wants one. That's the guy he got too expensive too late. It's not too late. They just the way because of the Wander situation. You can't just not sign it. I think that it just has to be post sale. They're not going to do anything until the sale is complete. Then they can for that. If and when it's true to kratsats, what do you have for us today?

00:43:38
Speaker 2: Just really the most random hat I could have picked up. I like it. Guardians, great logo fell short this year? Great logo.

00:43:48
Speaker 1: You don't like it? I feel like it has like an eighties nineties video game.

00:43:52
Speaker 2: I think they did a good job.

00:43:54
Speaker 3: I mean, I really like the Indians logo, but I think they did a good job for what they.

00:43:58
Speaker 1: Had, Yeah, for what they were working with. Do you like the name Guardians?

00:44:04
Speaker 2: Really?

00:44:04
Speaker 1: No? I don't either. I remember when they announced that. I was like, that's what we're going with. You had a chance to do whatever you want.

00:44:09
Speaker 2: They should have done the Steamers or the Spiders.

00:44:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a cute story behind the whole Guardian thing, right, the bridge whatever. But I don't know how many kids are actually looking that up. Non kids don't look up anything anyway.

00:44:26
Speaker 2: When Guardians of the Galaxies.

00:44:27
Speaker 1: Do people even know how to write?

00:44:30
Speaker 3: And they took it from a roller derby team.

00:44:35
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