Episode 263

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Sword and scale contains adult
themes and violence and is not

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intended for all audiences.
Listener discretion is advised.

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So what happened to your mom
there? She fell off the

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building. How did she fall? I
didn't go into the room. I could

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just get dark screen.

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Hello and welcome this.

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It's sword and scale a show that
reveals that the worst monsters

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r in case you're wondering what
the hell that was about. Well,

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you should be on our social
media because if you're not,

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you're missing out on all the
fun.

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Some idiot named James. I don't
know what the hell his last name

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is. But apparently a renowned
expert on podcasting came by to

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drop off his words of advice,
you know, to make my podcast

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better.

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You know, he, he came over to
tell me that the long pauses in

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between words that I exhibit
sometimes when I'm formulating a

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thought that that means that I'm
a narcissist because apparently

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he saw some video online
somewhere that told him all the

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signs to look for and, and a
narcissist and he was hurt by

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one. So he's got to go around
telling everyone that they're a

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narcissist now.

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So James, thanks for that and
thanks for all the sales of the

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mug we made with your tweet on
it. If you want to find that you

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just go to store dot Sword and
scale.com and look for the

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narcissist ceramic mug. It's it
's got my picture on it. You'll

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love it.

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And I think that I'm right about
the fact that most of you come

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here for, for the sass for, for,
for the, for the smart ass

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remarks that I make, right. Any
idiot can read you true crime

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stories. Any moron can pretend
to have chemistry with some

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other moron while they talk
about someone's last day on

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earth.

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But you don't come here for
that. You come here for the

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narcissism. You come here for
the person at a, they're not

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here for you, James. They're not
here for the soy filled husk of

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a man telling them what's
appropriate to say and not to

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say online. They're here for my
meltdown, James.

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We play a lot of 911 calls here
on the show and naturally,

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nearly every call has something
to do with murder. Now, we all

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know that not every 911 call is
being placed because someone is

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being killed or has been killed.
More often than not.

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The calls coming into dispatch
are for things like health

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emergencies, car accidents,
maybe a suspicious person

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prowling around the neighborhood
or even sometimes things like

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brush fires and structural
accidents, any event that

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requires the immediate
responsive police fire or EMS

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warrants a 911 call early in the
morning of August 21st, 2017, a

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call such as this came into the
Farmington Hills dispatch team

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reporting the discovery of a
body outside a home on the west

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side of the city.

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This wasn't just any home
though. It was a nearly two acre

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estate built right alongside the
Farmington Hills golf club.

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These people had money and lots
of it.

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I'm already on my own.

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I am 911. What is the exact
address of the emergency? Howard

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Farmington? And the number, the
number, we need an ambulance.

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What's going on there? I don't
know. We were open each story.

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How old is your?

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And she's so concrete? Ok. All
right.

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The caller was 14 year old Aya
Alton's Holway who had just

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discovered her mother lying
unresponsive on the ground

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outside the family's sprawling
10,000 square foot mansion.

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And I said like, I don't know,
is she breathing? I'm gonna tell

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if she's breathing.

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Put your fingers on your pp you
can hold on one second while I

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get him on the way. Ok. Hold on.
Ok, I'm not gonna wake up here.

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Hold on.

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No.

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We're not gonna get Oh my God.

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Yeah, I'm gonna tell you
something.

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Yeah. Yes.

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How long this hair?

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Ok. I have them on the way. I
can. Are you able to check and

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see if your mom is breathing?

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We don't know how, hello?

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Are you there? Yeah, we, we
don't know how, no, don't do

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that. This thing is on the way
she at her back, what.

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It appeared to Aya as though her
mom had fallen from the window

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on the second floor directly
above where her body now lay

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motionless. The window was
positioned at a considerable

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height. Both the 1st and 2nd
floors of the house boasted high

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ceilings.

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So this wasn't your typical
residential second story window

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height. She fell a significant
distance, landing on concrete to

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make matters worse. It remained
unclear how long she'd been

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lying there.

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And I think they call her at
least 615 because that's when I

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called her on her. Ok. All
right. I want you. You're not

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sure if she's breathing at this
point.

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No, Nada Haran was the 35 year
old mother now lying unconscious

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on the concrete. She lived in
the home with her three

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children. Among them, her
daughter, Aya, who made the 911

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call. But at this point, Aya's
16 year old brother Mohammed had

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also come down to investigate
the situation.

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Additionally, there was Nada's
youngest daughter who was nine

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years old and still sleeping in
the house. It had been nearly

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two years since Nada and her ex
Basso Attaway had separated

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Basso no longer lived with the
rest of the family.

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Our parents are divorced and, my
brothers, I know a lot of people

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be living with him. Me and my
sister, we only have education.

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Right?

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Ok. And she said she fell over
two stories. Yeah, more or less.

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So our house is quite, pretty
big to three stories. Ok. You

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not including the basement? Ok.
This was an accidental fall.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Ok. I
want you to get down next to

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her.

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Yeah.

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Ok. Are you next to your mom?
Ok. Do you see her chest rising

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and falling? No you don't. Ok.

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The 911 operator asked Aya if
she knew how to give CPR but for

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some reason Aya handed the phone
off to her brother 16 year old

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Mohammed, the operator then
instructed him on how to

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resuscitate his mother and he
started the chest compressions

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counting back to the operator.

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Ok.

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Yeah.

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Ok. 23456 1011 12341234. Pick up
the pace 1234123412341234

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1234123412341234123412.

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Please bear with you next to
you. Ok, keep doing it.

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I am here.

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Are you going to get the fleet?
The fire department? We're gonna

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go. Ok, so what happened to your
mom there? Looks like you go off

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the building how did she call?

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I didn't go into the room. I, I
couldn't, do you know what she

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was doing? She was on the floor.
She was the, ok.

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Is she, is she always up this
early in the morning? Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah, because we have
school today. You at school

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today? Yeah. Ok. Where do you go
to school? It's enough to walk

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out of these? Well, ok. Ok. And
what's your name?

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My name is Mohammad Al. I'm ok.
And what's your last name?

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Mohammad A LC A NTA W I. Ok. Ok.
All right. I'm gonna let you go.

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Ok. Do you have the fire
department there with you now?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ok. All right.
You did a really good job. Ok.

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Ok. All right. Are you ok now or
you want me to stay with you?

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Yeah, we're here. We're good.
Ok. All right, I'll let you go

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then. Ok. All right. Bye bye.

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Where's she at?

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123412.

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Yeah, go out to the driveway,
direct the fire department in.

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All right guys. Who else is home
guys?

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Ok. Go inside. I'll be with you
guys in a minute. All right.

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Yes. Ok. Who else is home? Your
little sister? Is she sleeping

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or is she w she's sleeping? I'll
go, let's do this. Come on here.

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How old are you guys? 1416. Who
is the lady that's, injured out

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back to you guys? That's your
mom. Ok. What's your mom's name?

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When's the last time you guys
saw your mom, what time?

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87 or 886? Ok. And when did you
guys find her this morning? I

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called her, twice at six because
she gonna lose stuff and, that's

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her phone, she didn't answer. So
I called her again at 630

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because we were supposed to be
at, two by 640 she didn't

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answer. So I went up with I
thought it was on the up with

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her in her.

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I almost there's no thought out.
I guess that guest room, I was

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on YouTube where she does her
makeup and I thought she was in

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there. I checked too because I
was still here and it was so and

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I saw her when there was a chip
and whatever was and there was

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like painting stuff that she
remember pain like half in the

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morning because she wakes up
early.

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So I want to work out a little
bit. I thought about like just

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in case maybe I know it's
possible. But she was out there

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and then I saw my brother and so
this was around 630 this

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morning, you think?

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Ok, by the time the children
discovered their mother's body,

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it was too late. Officials took
Nada from the scene for an

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autopsy. Later on, they located
the three children. They were at

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Nada's estranged husband Basilan
and Tai's home. They wanted to

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speak with all three kids again
about the timeline and the

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details of what had happened.

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Even more importantly, the Alton
Tawi Mansion boasted 13

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different cameras and police
needed passwords to get access

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to the main security system. So
they could check to see if Nada

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plummet to death was caught on
video. That way they could, you

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know, confirm that it truly was
an accident. I called up.

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The company called tell us
electronics who installed the

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system.

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There is obviously there's
cameras all over the house. If

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the lights are going, that means
it's probably connected to the

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camera system which rewrites on
top of each other. Ok. So if it

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's recording, then it only
record for so long, you have a

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one terabyte hard drive in there
and basically it'll just always

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record.

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So depending on how, what
quality you have, how much it's

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recording, which cameras are on
or whatever, depends on how

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quickly it cycles through. Ok?
So what we wanna do is just take

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a look at that and just make
sure there's nothing suspicious

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on it. So, you know, obviously
this is people are calling, ok,

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you guys are going through a
divorce.

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So what we wanna do is we want
to just take that, take a look

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at it, either either have our
guys take a look at it or some

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computer people so that they can
pull the information off of it

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and just make sure there's
nothing on it that's suspicious

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or anything like that.

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But I mean, if we don't go with
the people, you know, he said,

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she said, I know. And this is
more, let's, let's make sure

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there's nothing on and then just
move on with everything. Ok. No

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problems with that. I mean, I
don't know, I don't think I have

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a problem but like I said, the
whole thing is talking to me and

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the whole, you know, the
situation is bizarre.

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Absolutely. It is. We don't deal
with this every day either. You

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know, it's not something that
normally happens and you can see

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how, you know, if you remove
yourself out of the situation,

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you know, and make, and it's not
personal, you can see how it

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would be.

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Oh, man, something must have
happened, right? You understand

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that this is the FLIRDVR
recording system. Does that

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sound? Does it sound right? You
don't remember? I didn't go to

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check this. Ok. You never had to
record, I, I don't know how to

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do it. No log password or
anything. Actually, they're all

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over the house.

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I don't know if you walk around
outside, you can see that

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they're little, they're about
that. They're black. So, like,

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you know, there's one I think
right over here outside your

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garage, it's just kind of like
main points of entry, like on

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the outside or something like
that. I mean, you pull up the

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drive like when you plug your
fire, you look left, you'll see

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like a little camera that just
kind of points down.

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Basil. Antani, not as estranged
husband seemed not to know much

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about the security system. He
didn't know how many cameras

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there were. He didn't even seem
to remember what they looked

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like he did, however, seem very
reluctant to trust the

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intentions of police.

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It seemed to him like they were
already going down a path of

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pointing fingers and you didn't
like that later on, police

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showed up at Basil's house where
the children were staying,

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hoping to bring them back to the
station for formal interviews.

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But that didn't go too great.
The reason we're.

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Coming back is we wanted to talk
to you guys at the station and

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try to lock everything down. Ok,
timelines and that kind of

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stuff. Is that all right with
you, speak to your daughter and

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you and your son in your other
room?

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Yeah, two daughters, you know,
kind of all at the station where

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we can maybe have a chance to
like lock it all down and, and

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support it. Yeah. Yeah, that's
just, it's kind of a standard

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procedure. That's what we do.

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Law enforcement requested that
Basso and his three children be

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interviewed at the police
station as is standard

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procedure. You heard the cops
say that quite a few times for

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the girls who were still in
school, it was suggested that

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they be picked up by the school
liaison officer and brought

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straight to the station. Basil
was obviously wary of this idea.

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School liaison officers, the,
the school, the guys were plain

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clothes or whatever they can go,
they can give, they can give her

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a ride to the station because
like I said, we, we, we may not

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be there that long at the
station. We just, I mean, I

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don't know.

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We're just, this is a, this is
standard procedure and we're

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trying to, we have to,
obviously, it's kind of weird

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what happened. We're just trying
to find out exactly what the

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kids might have said. She might
have said she wasn't feeling

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well earlier in the night.

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If there was, you know, she got
into an argument with somebody

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or scared or something, we don't
want to scare the kids. We don't

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want to, if, if you feel more
comfortable doing it here, we

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can talk here.

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Sure. I understand. We're going
to wait and see what the boss

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has to say about that.

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We just want to make this as
easy and comfortable as

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possible. We're not trying to,
you know, intrude and make

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people feel uncomfortable. We
don't want to, I know you have

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to understand from our too. It's
not every day somebody goes out

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the window.

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Right. Reluctantly, the
detectives decided to interview

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Basil's son Mohammed. He was
upstairs in his room. The

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evidence from the audio suggests
that he had been living

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primarily with his father, even
before this tragic accident

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occurred, the girls were staying
with him temporarily as basel

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only had visitation rights with
his daughters before proceeding.

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Though the detectives requested
that the loud music be turned

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off as they waited for Aya and
her younger sister to come back

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home. The police sat down with
Mohammed and asked him some

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basic questions about the
previous night. Like they said,

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it's not every day that someone
just goes out a window. Normally

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they either jump or are pushed
the Farmington Hills.

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Police were pretty certain that
one of these two scenarios was

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the truth. They just needed to
figure out which one on August

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21st, 2017, 14 year old Aya
Altan Tawi discovered her

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mother, Nada's lifeless body
sprawled across the pavement

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right outside of their opulent
Farmington Hills mansion.

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She called 911 and eventually
handed the phone to her 16 year

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old brother Mohammed who rushed
outside to see what Aya was

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screaming about the two accepted
CPR instruction from the 911

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operator and waited for the
police to arrive the next day.

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Police drove over to Basant Tal
's house. The children were to

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stay with their father while the
case was in progress.

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The girls were still in school
while police knocked on boss's

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door. They would eventually be
brought home by the school

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liaison officer while they
waited. Police questioned

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Mohammed hoping to get some
information about the family

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dynamic people who may have
wanted to hurt his mother and

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most importantly, the homes
extensive security system. I'm

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sorry, what's your name again?

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We're sorry about your loss. I'm
sure it's tough.

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Like I said, we're just kinda
trying to go through things here

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to find out what transpired. If
anything your mom might have

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said or the way she was acting
or anything like that, that

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might have led you guys to
believe that, you know, she was

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upset about something or
anything. So you just kind of

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walk us through like you have
school yesterday. No, not, you

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have school yesterday?

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Ok. What question when you, I
guess that yesterday, the day

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before it was Sunday. So not
that either. Ok. So did, did you

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went on start like su Sunday
evening? What was going on

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Sunday evening? I mean, not
really anything. We all stay in

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our rooms for the most part,
like what messages on their

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computers. I'm on my computer. I
mean, we ate lunch.

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She's just walking around the
house. I think she came back

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with my sister from getting
school supplies and then I

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didn't really talk to her much.
She was talking to my sister and

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then, like I said, I was paying
attention on my phone eating.

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That's about it. What was she
doing the whole time? And she

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seemed upset. What kind of mood
was she in? She seemed fine, I'd

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say.

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I mean, she, like I said, she
came back with school supplies

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and went straight to her room.
So, and then she slept like a

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few hours later your mom did.
So, what time does she normally

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go to bed? Normally, I stay
around 10, maybe that late 9,

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3930 to 10. Do you recall what
time she went to bed last night?

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Around late seven, maybe early
eight?

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I think, you know why she would
go to bed three hours earlier or

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no. Like I said, we didn't
really talk much yesterday. So

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how are things between, you
know, your mom and your sister's

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young girls always arguing about
something or fighting about

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something or are you getting in
trouble for anything lately? You

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know, is your mom mad at anybody
about anything?

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It's just a normal, like, you
know, teenage stuff par, yeah,

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parents have done it like a
couple of days ago. Like my

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sister, her room was pretty
dirty. So, you know, my mom told

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her to clean her room. It's
about about it. You have a

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beautiful house here? Did your
mom clean it or did you ever

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clean it, lady? Well, we all
clean basically what we do.

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So, like if I make a mess I have
to clean it. All right. How's,

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your sister's relationship with
your mom? Like, pretty good. The

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same thing, like I say, like, if
they don't do something, right?

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You know, they get in trouble
for it, not clean the room, you

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know? Clean your room and stuff
like that. No big arguments or

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anything with your sister
lately. Not that I know of.

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By all accounts, Nada was a hard
working loving and doting

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mother. She woke the kids up for
school every day, cooked,

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cleaned and did all the normal
full time parenting duties while

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also juggling her career as a
fitness instructor. Now, where

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does your.

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Work, athletic club? Ok. Does
she work every day or is it by

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appointment? Only?

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I'm not really familiar with it
myself. She hasn't really told

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me about it much, but from what
I heard from my sister, it's

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like she has clients and they
schedule it with her. That's how

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her schedule kind of work. Did
people ever come here to work

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out? No. Ok. It's just so it's
at the gym now. It's at the gym.

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The people who took Nada's
classes absolutely adored her

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after hearing of her tragic
passing the Jim's Facebook page

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flooded with comments like this.
NATO was such an inspiring

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woman. She truly made so many
people's lives happier. She

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would always greet you with a
smile and knew everyone who

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attended her class by first
name.

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She was so passionate and I am
so, so glad I knew her Franklin

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was a place she was certainly
appreciated. I do not doubt that

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she was an amazing mother too.
We spoke with Nada's oldest

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daughter, Aya and she filled in
the gaps for us on the true.

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Altan Tawi family dynamic.

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My mom, she grew up in Dubai.
She lived there until about like

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12th grade I want to say and
then moved to Syria where she

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originally was from. My dad was
born and raised in Syria. My dad

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is 11 years older than my mom
was. So she was 18 when they got

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engaged or married.

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And then pretty soon after they
moved to the US, they went to

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Pennsylvania first so that my
dad could finish up his studies

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with med school and all of that.
But yeah, we, they primarily

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just moved to America for job
opportunities as most people

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typically do.

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Aya's father, Bassel was a
physician in Michigan getting

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his initial med schooling in
Syria back in 1993 a little less

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than 25 years after the school
was founded, he then finished up

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his fellowship and residency in
America. Soon after Basso and

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Nada began building their
family. They started off living

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very traditionally with Basil,
going out to work and not

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staying at home to take care of
the children.

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My mom was incredible person.
Everyone loved her. She was like

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the definition of, you know,
when you hear people saying

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that, oh, this person, like when
they walk into the room, it's

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like a light walk and whatever
that saying is. I don't know.

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But she was the definition of
that pretty much. She was a huge

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people pleaser huge extrovert.
So anything she could do to make

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other people happy she would do
it.

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She was always there for
everyone and I think that was

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kind of her way of forgetting
about her own troubles that were

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happening at home is by focusing
on how she can make other people

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's lives better. But she was
very, very, very much into the

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gym. I mean, I, I, she, she
started going to the gym before

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I could even remember. Like, I
can't tell you when she started

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going.

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But, I got into the gym because
of her, she ended up actually

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teaching at a gym that she would
work at, which was really great.

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And I don't know, I mean, you
know, when she was still alive,

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I was going through my like, pre
teen, teen years of being, you

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know, a dumb teenager
essentially and just like

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wanting my own space and, and
thinking that parents are lame

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and I don't want to be seen with
my parents.

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Though the family as they often
do seem to be pretty normal,

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happy, successful even on the
outside dungeons had been

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brewing for quite a while. I
remembers that she first noticed

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problems in her parents'
marriage becoming evident all

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the way back in 2011.

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Honestly, we, didn't really see
too much of it, you know, the

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fighting and all of that. My
parents definitely tried to keep

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it just between them while, you
know, my siblings and I were

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still kids. But as we got older
and as the fighting became more

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tumultuous, more just happened
more often. It was, it got a

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little bit harder to hide.

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I want to say the time that I
start to notice things was

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actually when we were in
Lebanon. Me, my mother, my

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brother and my sister were there
for a little family, family

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reunion from my mom's side. So
my dad was staying in America

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because he had work. And I
remember we were walking down

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like a pier and my dad or my mom
got a call from my dad.

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And so me and my brother, we
hung back with my mom. While our

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family walked ahead of us and
she answered the phone and I

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remember he, it took my mom a
few minutes to like get him to

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calm down and, you know, figure
out what was going on. But

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basically what had happened is
he had invested a ton of money.

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If I remember correctly, it was
a quarter of a million into

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stocks and he lost it all.

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And my mom was telling him
apparently it was a conversation

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that they had had before and he
had brought it up to her and she

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told him, you know, don't do it.
You don't know what you're doing

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with money. You don't know how
to invest anything if you want

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to do it, that's fine.

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But hire someone who actually
knows what they're doing,

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obviously didn't listen to her.
So, from what I remember kind of

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started there, or at least that
's when I start to pick up on

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it. I want to say that money was
a huge stressor in their

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relationship just because my dad
wasn't smart with finances.

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So he didn't really know how to
manage it correctly and

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especially, you know, given that
our family was well off, he just

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didn't know how to manage it
and, you know, make sure that we

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weren't spending money f
frivolously. I think that was

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the first time that I noticed
it. But then with my mom, it

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kind of started to pick up when
she expressed wanting to get a

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job and start working, go back
to school, that sort of thing.

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When they initially began the
separation and divorce process

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in March of 2016. Things changed
drastically for the Alton Tai

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family since Basil had moved out
Nada trimmed her budget by

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canceling luxuries like the maid
service and she landed the

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fitness instructor position so
that she could bring in some

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income of her own.

445
00:31:10,689 --> 00:31:14,030
After all, she and Basil had
been separated for nearly two

446
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,160
years with no divorce
finalization. Everything was all

447
00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:21,619
up in the air legally, even if
they considered themselves

448
00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:25,819
already divorced in the eyes of
Islam, their chosen religion.

449
00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:32,140
So my parents weren't legally
divorced, but in terms of

450
00:31:32,150 --> 00:31:35,359
religion in our religion, they
were divorced by then, that was

451
00:31:35,369 --> 00:31:37,699
like the very first step that
they took was getting divorced

452
00:31:37,709 --> 00:31:41,560
religiously, getting divorced
through the American system

453
00:31:41,569 --> 00:31:44,030
obviously is a much longer
process because you have to

454
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:47,079
figure out kids and you have to
figure out finances and houses

455
00:31:47,089 --> 00:31:48,680
and cars and whatever, all of
that.

456
00:31:48,869 --> 00:31:50,959
But in terms of the religion,
they were already divorced.

457
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:55,130
Nada, very quickly began the
process of starting a new life

458
00:31:55,140 --> 00:31:55,939
without Basil.

459
00:31:56,709 --> 00:31:59,939
Our, our way of bonding was
going to the gym or shopping.

460
00:31:59,949 --> 00:32:04,900
That was it. And for the last
couple of months we purchased a

461
00:32:04,910 --> 00:32:08,609
new house and was completely
remodeling it. So anytime she

462
00:32:08,619 --> 00:32:10,670
would be going over to the house
and I wasn't asked, I'd be like,

463
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,780
oh, I wanna come. So we were
doing that a lot, figuring out

464
00:32:14,790 --> 00:32:17,250
how I wanted to decorate my
room, that sort of thing.

465
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:20,859
Now, are you guys staying here
or do you, are you, they're

466
00:32:20,869 --> 00:32:23,229
planning on selling the house,
do you know, or I think, yeah,

467
00:32:23,239 --> 00:32:26,150
they're selling the house, this
house, they are gonna sell this

468
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:26,569
house.

469
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:28,989
Did your mom have any place that
she was moving to or have been

470
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,880
looking around or anything that
you, she's not, not really that

471
00:32:33,890 --> 00:32:37,130
I, she told me about yesterday.
I heard my sister talking about

472
00:32:37,260 --> 00:32:40,930
that. They got in your house so
she got in your house. So, oh,

473
00:32:40,939 --> 00:32:43,229
you did? Yeah, that's what my
sister said. So do you know

474
00:32:43,239 --> 00:32:44,030
where that is?

475
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,819
No. Mohammed told police that he
heard his sister talking about

476
00:32:48,829 --> 00:32:52,569
the new house with their mother
and that's all he knew about the

477
00:32:52,579 --> 00:32:57,250
situation while it was true that
his mother and sister didn't

478
00:32:57,260 --> 00:33:01,400
willingly tell him anything
about the new house. It was not

479
00:33:01,410 --> 00:33:04,040
true that he found out by
listening in on their

480
00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:04,910
conversation.

481
00:33:05,410 --> 00:33:09,260
No, he, I I'm pretty sure he
found out on his own because he

482
00:33:09,270 --> 00:33:13,869
was like snooping. So he, he
would go into her room and go

483
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,750
through papers and whatever he
would take her phone, he

484
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,989
essentially, he was trying to
act like he was the parent.

485
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,829
He would go through her phone,
go through all her belongings,

486
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:23,130
ask her where she's going when
she's coming back, who she's

487
00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:26,520
gonna see that sort of thing. So
he, I'm pretty sure he did find

488
00:33:26,530 --> 00:33:27,290
out on his own.

489
00:33:28,050 --> 00:33:31,270
Mohammed didn't have much
information about the new house,

490
00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:35,359
but chances were, it would be
smaller and quite a bit less

491
00:33:35,369 --> 00:33:39,959
opulent than their current
abode. These kids had it made

492
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,569
and you know, it'd be painful
for any kid to give up the

493
00:33:43,579 --> 00:33:45,079
amenities they were used to.

494
00:33:45,969 --> 00:33:49,290
It's a lot easier going from
rags to riches than riches to

495
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:55,390
rags. That's for sure. The Alton
Tawi House had everything from

496
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,339
the custom fireplaces, high
ceilings and chandeliers to the

497
00:33:59,709 --> 00:34:00,500
features.

498
00:34:00,510 --> 00:34:05,040
Every teen dreams of their own
massive bedroom with private

499
00:34:05,050 --> 00:34:09,800
bathrooms, high end computers,
walk in closets, a movie theater

500
00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:12,899
in the basement with a whole
separate kitchen and living area

501
00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:19,120
and a home gym and even a sauna,
needless to say the house was

502
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:22,360
massive enough and had enough
features to entertain the kids

503
00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:22,939
for days.

504
00:34:22,949 --> 00:34:26,688
On end, they could go several
days without seeing each other

505
00:34:26,698 --> 00:34:31,169
in person. Like over the
weekend, for example, the night

506
00:34:31,179 --> 00:34:34,209
before his mother's death,
Mohammed knew his sister. Aya

507
00:34:34,219 --> 00:34:38,850
was in her room only by her
shuffling noises and the light

508
00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:41,760
that emerged through the cracks
around her bedroom door.

509
00:34:42,189 --> 00:34:46,370
What are your sisters doing? Or
do you know my younger sister,

510
00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:49,870
she's going to sleep and then my
other sister, she's on her

511
00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:52,790
computer and not on the
computer. So you guys normally

512
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,100
see each other the whole
evening. Ok. You're in your room

513
00:34:56,110 --> 00:35:00,320
the whole time. Well, no, I went
to pray to the mos who got on my

514
00:35:00,330 --> 00:35:03,969
bike. I came back around. So I
left around 830 I came back

515
00:35:03,979 --> 00:35:06,600
around 915 at 830.

516
00:35:06,689 --> 00:35:10,320
Mohammed said he left the house
on his bike to visit the mosque

517
00:35:10,330 --> 00:35:14,530
and pray. The Altan Tawi were
devote followers of Islam when

518
00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:17,760
they lived back in Syria and
they continued their practices

519
00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:21,560
after settling in Michigan and
starting a family, they

520
00:35:21,570 --> 00:35:24,679
instilled the same values in
their children, raising them up

521
00:35:24,689 --> 00:35:26,459
to be good Muslim kids.

522
00:35:27,209 --> 00:35:31,000
Mohammed himself seemed pretty
devout for a 16 year old

523
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:34,649
choosing to ride his bike to the
mosque multiple times a day to

524
00:35:34,659 --> 00:35:38,489
pray instead of getting into
trouble with drugs, alcohol and

525
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:39,270
girls.

526
00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:45,300
So knowledgeable about your
religion and stuff. Is that

527
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:49,459
something you do every day or is
it every day? Ok. So you ride

528
00:35:49,469 --> 00:35:53,939
your bike to the, you left the
house at 830 then what time do

529
00:35:53,949 --> 00:35:58,610
you get back? 915? All right.
And you didn't go with your

530
00:35:58,620 --> 00:36:02,770
friend yesterday? Now, the women
not have to go and pray, you

531
00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:06,139
know, they don't, I mean, it's
just, I, I don't know.

532
00:36:06,889 --> 00:36:10,199
What nationality are you? What
nationality are you? I, I was

533
00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:12,620
born here but, like, my
ethnicity is Syria. So the girls

534
00:36:12,629 --> 00:36:15,600
don't have to go to pray five
times a day. Oh, yeah, they at

535
00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:18,739
home. Ok. So that's an option.
You can do, you can sometimes

536
00:36:18,750 --> 00:36:19,459
pray at home. Ok.

537
00:36:20,179 --> 00:36:23,659
So we definitely, I mean, women
could go to the mosque for sure.

538
00:36:23,739 --> 00:36:28,469
It just wasn't, I mean, with men
it's for the five daily prayers,

539
00:36:28,479 --> 00:36:31,550
it's mandatory to go to the
mosque. If you can for a woman

540
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,560
it's, if you want to, you can
go, if you don't want to, you

541
00:36:33,570 --> 00:36:36,310
can do it at home. It doesn't
really matter for the most part.

542
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,909
Yeah. Everything that I learned
about my religion did come from

543
00:36:38,919 --> 00:36:40,260
primarily my father.

544
00:36:40,689 --> 00:36:45,760
There was a little bit that I
learned from my private schools

545
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:50,679
but it wasn't stuff that, like,
hadn't already been told to me

546
00:36:50,689 --> 00:36:55,010
by my father. I mean, you know,
for, for me growing up, my

547
00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:57,639
parents were definitely very,
very religious. That's, it was

548
00:36:57,649 --> 00:36:59,949
something that they, my father
more so was something that they

549
00:36:59,959 --> 00:37:04,219
just pushed upon us. And, you
know, it was fine with me.

550
00:37:04,229 --> 00:37:07,300
I, the thing that I struggled
with is that if I didn't

551
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:10,050
understand something about the
religion, I'd want to ask why

552
00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:13,739
and I'd want to understand
before I, you know, just did

553
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:17,699
things blindly. That's just how
I've always been. And whenever I

554
00:37:17,709 --> 00:37:20,300
would ask my dad questions, he
would just say, well, that's

555
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:22,399
what it says. So you just have
to do it. And that wasn't really

556
00:37:22,409 --> 00:37:23,879
satisfactory enough for me.

557
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,280
How is a pair last, I'd say
maybe like 20 minutes max, like

558
00:37:29,290 --> 00:37:31,050
10 minutes for the prayer and
then you have 10 minutes to talk

559
00:37:31,060 --> 00:37:35,159
with people, talk with friends
and then they, like, close the

560
00:37:35,169 --> 00:37:38,850
doors. No, no, the doors open
all day. Ok. Yeah. Were you

561
00:37:38,860 --> 00:37:41,389
there with three friends
yesterday? Yes. No, I didn't go

562
00:37:41,399 --> 00:37:43,449
with them but I saw a couple of
people. Yeah. Ok.

563
00:37:45,149 --> 00:37:48,770
You're saying your mom went to
bed before you left and when you

564
00:37:48,780 --> 00:37:52,500
got back she was not up, you
just assumed she was asleep or

565
00:37:52,510 --> 00:37:52,879
whatever.

566
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:57,270
Here's where this interview gets
really good.

567
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,149
So you don't know if your mom
have any problems with anybody

568
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:01,330
or anything like that or?

569
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,080
All right. So, last night you
went to bed about, yeah, about

570
00:38:07,090 --> 00:38:11,580
1130. Sunday. Night. Sunday
night. Yeah. Now, would, you

571
00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:15,300
know, if somebody came over to
the house last night? I mean, if

572
00:38:15,310 --> 00:38:19,399
somebody came in the house or
anything, would, you know? Iii,

573
00:38:19,409 --> 00:38:23,090
I should, yeah, most likely I
should probably be able to pay

574
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:25,600
attention. I would there be like
a door chime or anything like

575
00:38:25,610 --> 00:38:26,250
that? Yeah.

576
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:30,889
Mohammed made it clear to police
that he didn't hear anyone come

577
00:38:30,899 --> 00:38:35,000
into the house after he came in
for the night because of their

578
00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:38,800
security system, he was sure he
would have heard something.

579
00:38:39,669 --> 00:38:43,489
The four of them went to sleep
for the night and early the next

580
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:46,889
morning just after Mohammed got
out of the shower is when he

581
00:38:46,899 --> 00:38:51,250
told police, he heard his sister
scream from the patio down below

582
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,409
police then had to determine
whether any of the kids knew how

583
00:38:56,419 --> 00:38:59,679
the security system worked,
whether any of the 13 cameras

584
00:38:59,689 --> 00:39:04,060
had a central control panel and
if any of the cameras recorded

585
00:39:04,070 --> 00:39:06,560
footage rather than just
displaying it live.

586
00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:11,469
Now, I noticed that, you know,
there's a security system here.

587
00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:16,159
Do you know how that works? No,
no, I wasn't even aware that we

588
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,590
had more cameras in the back of
the house.

589
00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:22,290
You were aware there were
cameras all around the outside

590
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:24,850
of the house. No, no, I, I knew
that there was like some like in

591
00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:27,750
the garage door or stuff like
that, but I didn't know any

592
00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:32,419
specifics about it. Do you know
the code? To it. You don't allow

593
00:39:32,439 --> 00:39:36,229
to access it or anything like
that. No one has. Really. And

594
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,030
we're just kind of there.

595
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,909
No one used anything since we
moved here. So do you know where

596
00:39:40,919 --> 00:39:45,000
he's kept the code, the, like
the hard drive and everything

597
00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:48,570
for the, you don't know where
that's kept? No, I thought it

598
00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:51,540
was in like the wi fi room, but
apparently not because this

599
00:39:51,550 --> 00:39:54,790
morning, you guys want to
confirm some stuff like that.

600
00:39:56,550 --> 00:40:03,709
So well we did, we took it and
it's worth it. So everything's

601
00:40:03,830 --> 00:40:07,350
on video as to what transpired.

602
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,570
So we're trying to find out if
you have anything that you want

603
00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:18,129
to say about that or I don't
really know. Oh, you not really.

604
00:40:18,139 --> 00:40:29,000
I mean this no. Ok. Well, we're
100% sure that this wasn't

605
00:40:29,010 --> 00:40:29,580
accidental.

606
00:40:32,330 --> 00:40:38,580
You see what I'm saying? Ok, so
trying to figure out is what

607
00:40:38,590 --> 00:40:44,739
happened and why it happened
just watching the video. Nobody

608
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:45,590
leaves the house.

609
00:40:47,110 --> 00:40:51,879
Yeah. So there's your mother,
you, your sister and your little

610
00:40:51,889 --> 00:40:52,300
sister.

611
00:40:54,209 --> 00:40:57,270
That's what we're trying to
figure out as to what happened

612
00:40:58,050 --> 00:41:01,330
if it was an accident. If there
was an argument, if it was

613
00:41:01,510 --> 00:41:06,100
something that was, you know,
spontaneous, something

614
00:41:06,110 --> 00:41:10,080
accidental, that's what we need
to know because we want to, we

615
00:41:10,090 --> 00:41:12,159
want to get a resolution to
this. I know you do too.

616
00:41:12,389 --> 00:41:15,100
The accidents happen all the
time. You know, somebody could

617
00:41:15,110 --> 00:41:17,010
be helping somebody with
something holding the ladder or

618
00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:18,610
something like that. And
something happens, that's why we

619
00:41:18,620 --> 00:41:22,139
wouldn't even know what, what
happened. And that's why we're

620
00:41:22,149 --> 00:41:26,050
looking to you because you're
the oldest and we've watched the

621
00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:26,520
video.

622
00:41:27,469 --> 00:41:30,409
Police went into this interview
having already watched the

623
00:41:30,419 --> 00:41:34,260
recorded footage from the
security cameras. They already

624
00:41:34,270 --> 00:41:39,179
knew the cameras, not only saved
the recorded footage, but they

625
00:41:39,189 --> 00:41:40,810
caught crucial parts of the
event.

626
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:45,229
In question, Mohammed didn't
even know his family had that

627
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,030
many cameras surrounding the
house, let alone what they

628
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,669
recorded at night. Mohammed's
father Basil was nearby for this

629
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:57,050
interview and when he saw it
going a certain direction, he

630
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:59,189
quickly stepped in on his son's
behalf.

631
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,270
That he lying just now.

632
00:42:07,969 --> 00:42:15,189
He, he, he, he, he is the same.
So I don't want to see anything

633
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,949
in the front except I have, you
know, an attorney he's under,

634
00:42:19,304 --> 00:42:22,385
you know, that we know that that
's why we asked you if you could

635
00:42:22,395 --> 00:42:24,945
speak to you and you said, no,
I, I need an attorney now. I

636
00:42:24,955 --> 00:42:26,165
don't want to go any further.

637
00:42:26,175 --> 00:42:28,225
I have to tell an attorney
because when I came back, it

638
00:42:28,235 --> 00:42:30,524
blew up my mind, my daughter
asked me what's going on, dad,

639
00:42:30,665 --> 00:42:33,395
why are they gonna let us go
back to the house? So this is

640
00:42:33,405 --> 00:42:37,199
actually now a second you know,
you know, investigating a child

641
00:42:37,209 --> 00:42:39,719
here, there was, there was more
than what was originally told to

642
00:42:39,729 --> 00:42:40,219
us.

643
00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:42,699
So, I mean, you're more than
Welcome to. I mean, your son can

644
00:42:42,709 --> 00:42:45,520
tell you what he told us. There
was more that occurred that

645
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:50,419
night. He my daughter, I am
shocked but kind that night. He

646
00:42:50,429 --> 00:42:54,185
he, he never like my son never
lie. My kids never lie, they

647
00:42:54,195 --> 00:42:54,725
never lie.

648
00:42:56,294 --> 00:42:58,455
He didn't lie.

649
00:42:58,465 --> 00:43:01,455
He just didn't tell us
everything that happened. So,

650
00:43:01,465 --> 00:43:10,489
so, so if his mom is dead man
talking about please, sir, I

651
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:13,649
don't want my kids to talk to
any of you anymore. All right.

652
00:43:14,770 --> 00:43:15,139
Ok.

653
00:43:15,419 --> 00:43:19,679
I, I mean, I, I want to know
everything as you want to know,

654
00:43:19,689 --> 00:43:23,250
but I mean the way it is like
this, I I see there is something

655
00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:25,669
is putting so much burden
outside and we are not, we

656
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:28,060
didn't eat since the morning and
now I come back with my

657
00:43:28,070 --> 00:43:30,399
daughter, she tell me that why
they are not at me like we have

658
00:43:30,409 --> 00:43:32,500
to get permission to get to come
back to the house.

659
00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:35,939
So she's scared and I'm scared
and he's scared and confused.

660
00:43:35,949 --> 00:43:40,290
And so that we, we had the
timelines that didn't quite

661
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:43,899
match up with what was set on
the scene and what you are

662
00:43:43,909 --> 00:43:46,739
talking with a child. We're not
talking about.

663
00:43:48,219 --> 00:43:52,270
Your son is not confused and he
's not a child. He's a, he's a

664
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,179
16 year old, he's just not a
child. Ok? When you say a child,

665
00:43:56,189 --> 00:43:57,510
it makes him seems like this. He
's your.

666
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,060
Child evidence at the crime
scene did not point to an

667
00:44:02,070 --> 00:44:07,389
accidental fall. There was not a
drop of blood on the concrete or

668
00:44:07,459 --> 00:44:11,540
on Noda's body when she was
found and she landed face up.

669
00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:16,310
What Law enforcement saw on the
video footage made them turn

670
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,899
their attention directly toward
Muhammad.

671
00:44:19,909 --> 00:44:23,590
At first Muhammad tried to
insinuate that if his mother was

672
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,860
murdered, his 14 year old
sister, Aya may have had

673
00:44:27,870 --> 00:44:31,830
something to do with it because
she was allegedly awake before

674
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:37,489
Muhammad was. The police quickly
explained why that theory didn't

675
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:38,419
quite check out.

676
00:44:38,919 --> 00:44:43,320
That was the first day of our
second week of school and we had

677
00:44:43,330 --> 00:44:48,110
to go be at like this location
where a bus took us to school by

678
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:53,699
630. And so I had been waking up
by like six at the latest to get

679
00:44:53,709 --> 00:44:56,739
up and get ready for school. And
I'm the type of person who said

680
00:44:56,864 --> 00:45:00,274
like 20 alarms each within like
two minute intervals of each

681
00:45:00,284 --> 00:45:00,554
other.

682
00:45:00,564 --> 00:45:04,004
So I'll, I'll hear one of them
at some point like I'll wake up.

683
00:45:04,304 --> 00:45:07,625
But my brother had been waking
up at like 6 36 33 which is when

684
00:45:07,635 --> 00:45:11,314
we had to be there. So we were
running late because of him. But

685
00:45:11,764 --> 00:45:17,114
that day, I didn't wake up until
like 615, 620. I want to say,

686
00:45:17,125 --> 00:45:20,334
which was already weird. And
when I woke up, my brother was

687
00:45:20,344 --> 00:45:21,995
already awake, which was even
weirder.

688
00:45:22,629 --> 00:45:25,360
I mean, that's the time if we're
gonna, if we're gonna be honest

689
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:28,110
about it. We gotta be honest
about it now because once this

690
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,929
gets the ball gets rolling, it's
up to prosecutors and stuff like

691
00:45:30,939 --> 00:45:34,020
that to explain something as an
accident or not. Now is the time

692
00:45:34,030 --> 00:45:34,699
we need to do it.

693
00:45:35,889 --> 00:45:41,580
We know that somebody was in the
room and we're about 99.9% sure.

694
00:45:41,590 --> 00:45:44,919
It's a male that was in the room
from the picture from the video,

695
00:45:45,189 --> 00:45:48,100
but we have to slow it down and
get a snapshot of it. And that's

696
00:45:48,110 --> 00:45:51,310
what MSP is doing right now. We
got it shipped off to the state

697
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,709
lab and they're gonna blow it up
and it's gonna show who was

698
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,169
there.

699
00:45:55,209 --> 00:45:58,080
The security camera footage.
That's when I was like, oh yeah,

700
00:45:58,090 --> 00:45:58,969
he, he did it.

701
00:45:59,770 --> 00:46:02,219
The footage which by the way you
can watch if you're a plus

702
00:46:02,229 --> 00:46:07,229
member clearly shows shadows
cast onto the ground from the

703
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,939
window above a large looming
figure can be seen moving around

704
00:46:12,949 --> 00:46:16,270
before a smaller figure is
seemingly thrust from the window

705
00:46:16,750 --> 00:46:18,909
and falls to the ground below.

706
00:46:19,919 --> 00:46:23,879
Given that Mohammed was the only
male in the home that night. It

707
00:46:23,889 --> 00:46:27,659
was damning enough evidence to
make an arrest. We begin with

708
00:46:27,669 --> 00:46:31,020
breaking news, a murder in a
Farmington Hills mansion, the

709
00:46:31,050 --> 00:46:32,709
victim, a 35 year old woman.

710
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,889
And we're told there was plenty
of family trouble there. Seven

711
00:46:35,899 --> 00:46:38,229
investigator Jim Kirchner live
on Howard Road where this

712
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,939
happened early Monday morning.
And Jim, we understand it took

713
00:46:40,949 --> 00:46:44,790
police a while to figure this
one out. Yeah, this has been

714
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,439
going on since Monday morning.

715
00:46:46,449 --> 00:46:49,120
But let me tell you just as
we're coming on the air, I just

716
00:46:49,129 --> 00:46:51,419
got off the phone with
Farmington Hills. Chief needs

717
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:57,379
who tells me a 16 year old son
of this victim is now in custody

718
00:46:57,389 --> 00:47:01,209
is now the murder suspect being
held a children's village here

719
00:47:01,219 --> 00:47:02,159
in Oakland County.

720
00:47:02,169 --> 00:47:05,439
That's the juvenile lock up. The
chief says they got a call in

721
00:47:05,449 --> 00:47:09,439
the 911 at 6 a.m. Monday morning
at this mansion, the a woman had

722
00:47:09,449 --> 00:47:12,639
fallen from a second story
window, but then they determined

723
00:47:12,649 --> 00:47:14,169
this was no accident.

724
00:47:14,379 --> 00:47:17,870
The autopsy is done on this
victim but they're not releasing

725
00:47:17,879 --> 00:47:20,870
the cause of death and that
could be because there are other

726
00:47:20,879 --> 00:47:24,030
injuries in addition to what
would have been sustained from

727
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,139
the fall from a second story
window. I asked the chief if the

728
00:47:27,149 --> 00:47:31,409
16 year old is cooperating, is
the answering police questions?

729
00:47:31,419 --> 00:47:36,149
The chief would not answer that.
Mohammed was arrested, arraigned

730
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:40,330
and swiftly charged with second
degree murder all in the same

731
00:47:40,340 --> 00:47:44,739
week for the time being, he was
to be held at children's village

732
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:45,820
without bond.

733
00:47:46,219 --> 00:47:50,780
Despite his lawyer's plea to the
judge that Muhammad was a star

734
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:54,939
student with no criminal record.
The prosecutor's office had a

735
00:47:54,949 --> 00:47:59,719
different perspective. Mohammed
had murdered his own mother

736
00:48:00,129 --> 00:48:05,500
while his young sisters were in
the home with him he was violent

737
00:48:06,110 --> 00:48:10,250
and dangerous and should be kept
off the streets.

738
00:48:11,350 --> 00:48:15,469
Here's the kicker though,
investigators agreed that

739
00:48:15,479 --> 00:48:20,899
Mohammed couldn't have done this
on his own, especially given

740
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:50,780
what not as autopsy results,
which show 16 year old Mohammed

741
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:54,219
Tantawi had been arrested and
charged with the second degree

742
00:48:54,229 --> 00:48:57,760
murder of his mother, 35 year
old Nada Haran.

743
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,709
And by the time November 2017
rolled around about three months

744
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,129
after Nada's death, the medical
examiner released some damning

745
00:49:08,139 --> 00:49:10,409
information about the autopsy
results.

746
00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:13,149
It was early on in their
investigation that police say

747
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:16,000
they realized that the death of
the 35 year old Farmington

748
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:19,860
Hills. Mother of three was no
accident. Prosecutors say 16

749
00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:23,489
year old Mohammed Al Tawi
murdered his mother. And today a

750
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,370
forensic pathologist from the
medical examiner's office

751
00:49:26,379 --> 00:49:30,570
testified that not his primary
cause of death was asphyxiation

752
00:49:30,580 --> 00:49:31,629
from smothering.

753
00:49:32,419 --> 00:49:40,129
You heard it right? Nada. A £135
grown woman was dead before she

754
00:49:40,139 --> 00:49:42,409
went out the window. In your
opinion.

755
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,350
Doctor, this happened before or
after the body falling out of

756
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,169
the window. My observation
indicates that it happened

757
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:49,919
before.

758
00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:55,959
The positioning of her body was
not what we extract from someone

759
00:49:55,969 --> 00:49:57,500
falling out of the window.

760
00:49:58,489 --> 00:50:03,020
Not only had Nada fallen face up
onto the pavement, her feet

761
00:50:03,330 --> 00:50:07,300
faced the house. The medical
examiner determined that Nada

762
00:50:07,310 --> 00:50:12,090
had likely been smothered with a
damp towel or cloth prior to

763
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:14,060
being tossed from the second
story.

764
00:50:14,909 --> 00:50:18,239
The only reason Muhammad had
thrown his mother's body out the

765
00:50:18,250 --> 00:50:23,570
window was to stage the scene
and make it appear like an

766
00:50:23,580 --> 00:50:29,030
accident. And why on earth would
a devoutly religious 16 year old

767
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,820
suddenly decide to murder his
own mother? Further evidence in

768
00:50:33,830 --> 00:50:37,989
Aya's own firsthand testimony
explain that also.

769
00:50:38,389 --> 00:50:44,449
The first domestic violence
incident that happened, that was

770
00:50:44,459 --> 00:50:48,040
like the one of the major ones,
if not the most major. We

771
00:50:48,050 --> 00:50:50,610
actually didn't end up calling
the police and that wasn't

772
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:54,350
allowed to be talked about in
like any of the core stuff we

773
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,229
came back from London. My
parents were arguing. My dad had

774
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,350
my mom's phone in her, in his
hand and they were on the phone

775
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,899
with my mom's dad.

776
00:51:03,909 --> 00:51:07,159
So my grandfather and they were
sitting up on top of the stairs,

777
00:51:07,169 --> 00:51:09,800
she was trying to get the phone
back from him. He wasn't giving

778
00:51:09,810 --> 00:51:13,570
it to her. So he ended up
pushing her down the stairs and

779
00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:16,879
she like, twisted her ankle
really badly. I had like a, a

780
00:51:16,889 --> 00:51:20,489
panic attack. My first panic
attack ever as far as I remember

781
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:21,449
it was that night.

782
00:51:21,810 --> 00:51:25,909
So that was the London incident
and then about a month later was

783
00:51:25,919 --> 00:51:28,989
the first recorded incident of
domestic violence where the

784
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,229
police were called. And I was
the one that called the police.

785
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:35,395
The second one was kind of along
the same lines, you know, he had

786
00:51:35,405 --> 00:51:37,425
her phone, they were on the
phone with her dad, he wouldn't

787
00:51:37,435 --> 00:51:41,824
give it back to her. He ran into
their bedroom to hide and my mom

788
00:51:41,834 --> 00:51:43,304
was trying to push the door
open.

789
00:51:43,385 --> 00:51:46,665
She had her hand, like, between
the door and he, like, saw her

790
00:51:46,675 --> 00:51:49,435
hand. But then he, like, slammed
the door anyways and he closed

791
00:51:49,445 --> 00:51:53,820
it on her hands. So her thumb
got injured somehow. The third

792
00:51:53,830 --> 00:51:56,360
one was just that when the
police came and took him away.

793
00:51:56,370 --> 00:51:58,739
The first time, the time that I
called, he wasn't supposed to

794
00:51:58,750 --> 00:52:00,409
come back. But he did anyways.

795
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:03,860
So then my mom called the police
and then my dad was like running

796
00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:06,209
through the house with my
brother and they were, my

797
00:52:06,219 --> 00:52:08,199
brother was like talking to him
in Arabic and he's like go hide

798
00:52:08,209 --> 00:52:10,000
here like they won't find you
here. And then I'd be like, oh

799
00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:12,320
they're hiding over here and
they would be like yelling at

800
00:52:12,330 --> 00:52:15,239
me. It was really funny. But
yeah, so then he got taken away

801
00:52:15,250 --> 00:52:17,000
that time and wasn't allowed to
come back.

802
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:22,250
After Basil was ordered to leave
the home. Nada filed for

803
00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:27,409
divorce. In a separate case,
Bosso battled on his own. He

804
00:52:27,419 --> 00:52:31,340
faced charges related to
Medicare fraud and two counts of

805
00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:34,459
health care fraud which resulted
in him having to spend one day

806
00:52:34,469 --> 00:52:38,899
in jail and pay out hundreds of
thousands of dollars in

807
00:52:38,909 --> 00:52:39,830
restitution.

808
00:52:40,270 --> 00:52:43,770
Yeah. So with that, that was
also something big in the

809
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:47,060
family. I remember we were
driving in Detroit one day. I

810
00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:48,780
don't remember exactly for a
while, but it was my entire

811
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:52,820
family, both of my siblings and
both my parents and we were

812
00:52:52,830 --> 00:52:56,800
passing by like the Blue Cross
Blue Shield Building and my dad

813
00:52:56,810 --> 00:53:00,699
goes, you know, pray that these
people leave me alone.

814
00:53:01,229 --> 00:53:03,989
This was all in Arabic but that
they like get off my back,

815
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,649
whatever. And to me, I didn't
really know too much about it at

816
00:53:07,659 --> 00:53:11,510
that point. But my sort of train
of thought with everything in

817
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,219
that case was, you know,
obviously this is a very, very

818
00:53:14,229 --> 00:53:15,169
big corporation.

819
00:53:15,179 --> 00:53:18,850
They make a ton of money. You're
one person, you know, you run

820
00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:22,600
your own clinic if you haven't
been doing something so

821
00:53:22,610 --> 00:53:25,350
blatantly wrong, why would they
be coming after you in the first

822
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,189
place? So even though I didn't
know details about it, I thought

823
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:31,580
that he was guilty of whatever
they were accusing him of.

824
00:53:31,810 --> 00:53:36,409
And so when my dad said to, you
know, pray that they get off his

825
00:53:36,419 --> 00:53:40,590
back, my parents and my brother,
like we literally praying out

826
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,489
loud and I didn't say anything.
I kept my mouth shut. So my

827
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:45,310
brother turns to me and he's
like, why aren't you saying it?

828
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,459
And I was like, I'm saying it in
my head and he's like, no, you

829
00:53:47,469 --> 00:53:49,429
have to say it out loud for it
to count. And I was like, no, I

830
00:53:49,439 --> 00:53:51,360
can, you know, say it
subconsciously and it'll be

831
00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:53,370
fine. He was like, no, you have
to say it out loud. So I know

832
00:53:53,379 --> 00:53:54,139
you're actually saying.

833
00:53:54,149 --> 00:53:57,770
It according to cell phone
evidence, Nada was involved in a

834
00:53:57,780 --> 00:54:01,580
text conversation where she
stated that she had information

835
00:54:01,590 --> 00:54:05,780
on Bossl that could land them in
prison for further financial

836
00:54:05,790 --> 00:54:11,189
crimes. Could that have added
another even more pressing

837
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:14,129
element to the motive of Nada's
murder.

838
00:54:14,459 --> 00:54:17,070
His medical license was
suspended by the state of

839
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,860
Michigan. In February state
officials citing negligence,

840
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:25,040
incompetence, lack of good moral
character, a criminal conviction

841
00:54:25,070 --> 00:54:28,979
and unethical business
practices. Police say he is not

842
00:54:28,989 --> 00:54:30,169
involved in the murder.

843
00:54:30,780 --> 00:54:33,810
This is the thing that really
bothered me, I think especially

844
00:54:33,820 --> 00:54:36,050
like within the divorce cases
that his license was suspended.

845
00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:40,070
I believe it was for about six
months, maybe a year. But once

846
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,239
the term ended, he always had
the option to go back and apply

847
00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:45,489
for it to be reinstated.

848
00:54:45,540 --> 00:54:48,419
It was never like a it's done.
You can never get it back type

849
00:54:48,429 --> 00:54:52,080
of thing. He just chose to never
go and get it reinstated because

850
00:54:52,090 --> 00:54:55,639
he used that as a strategy in
the divorce case to be like I

851
00:54:55,649 --> 00:54:57,379
shouldn't have to pay child
custody. I shouldn't have to pay

852
00:54:57,389 --> 00:54:58,820
any bills because I don't have a
job.

853
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,729
In the throes of these very
adult problems. Muhammad chose a

854
00:55:03,739 --> 00:55:09,189
side. He was angry at his mother
for divorcing his father and

855
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,020
blamed both his sister and
mother for trying to ruin his

856
00:55:12,030 --> 00:55:16,110
father's life. He thought that
his mother was trying to take

857
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,860
all of his father's money and he
thought Aya was trying to ruin

858
00:55:19,870 --> 00:55:24,439
his reputation by doing things
like, oh, I don't know, calling

859
00:55:24,449 --> 00:55:27,229
the police when Basil became
violent.

860
00:55:27,469 --> 00:55:31,669
So when the police came and took
my father away both times, my

861
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:34,939
brother immediately just started
to turn on me and my mother even

862
00:55:34,949 --> 00:55:37,469
more because they were like they
were both saying, you know this,

863
00:55:37,479 --> 00:55:40,120
what are you doing to him? Like
this is my brother and my

864
00:55:40,129 --> 00:55:40,590
father.

865
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:43,330
We're saying, what are you doing
to my dad? Like this is

866
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,860
ridiculous. Like he's done
everything for you. They're

867
00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:51,100
gonna take him to jail this and
that. And so my my brother felt

868
00:55:51,110 --> 00:55:53,199
really bad for my dad and like
he, when the police came and

869
00:55:53,209 --> 00:55:55,219
took him like he was bawling his
eyes out.

870
00:55:55,810 --> 00:55:59,429
According to Aya Muhammad had a
strained relationship with his

871
00:55:59,439 --> 00:56:03,709
mother and sisters even before
the separation. But once Nada

872
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,280
filed for divorce, things got
much worse.

873
00:56:07,439 --> 00:56:10,989
So when he, when my dad wasn't
allowed to come back, he

874
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,790
literally did say that, ok, now
that dad's gone, like I'm the

875
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,689
only man in the house. I'm the
one who's in charge now, like

876
00:56:15,699 --> 00:56:20,669
what I say goes and that
translated into everything. So

877
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:23,810
what we ate, what we dressed
where we did where we he would

878
00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:25,149
just try to control everything.

879
00:56:25,689 --> 00:56:28,949
And when my mom growing up, we
never were really like,

880
00:56:29,209 --> 00:56:32,520
disciplined by my mom or like
grounded things like that. Like,

881
00:56:32,530 --> 00:56:36,780
we never had our phones taken
away. So when my brother was

882
00:56:36,790 --> 00:56:39,469
contacting my dad and like
sending him pictures of what my

883
00:56:39,479 --> 00:56:41,620
mom was doing, like things like
that just being like his little

884
00:56:41,629 --> 00:56:44,889
spy, essentially my dad was
allowed to have contact with any

885
00:56:44,899 --> 00:56:45,449
of us.

886
00:56:45,699 --> 00:56:49,060
Unless it was through like a
third party supervised person,

887
00:56:49,070 --> 00:56:51,780
he could request that and then
they would set it up, he never

888
00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:54,550
requested it. He would just
sneak my brother out. My brother

889
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,149
would sneak out of the house,
they would see each other like

890
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:58,860
that, but he never requested to
see my sister and I and I never

891
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:59,659
requested to see him.

892
00:56:59,669 --> 00:57:03,030
So it was fine. But yeah, so my
mom, you know, tried to take his

893
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,310
phone away to discipline him and
be like, you're not supposed to

894
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,409
be texting your dad, like you
can't be sneaking out of the

895
00:57:08,419 --> 00:57:11,689
house, things like that. And at
that point, my brother started

896
00:57:11,699 --> 00:57:14,949
getting really into working out
and like building muscle and

897
00:57:14,959 --> 00:57:18,689
like taking these protein shakes
and powders and whatever it was.

898
00:57:18,699 --> 00:57:23,090
So he was a lot stronger than my
mom at that point. So her trying

899
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:25,850
to take his phone from him and
like discipline him would result

900
00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:29,739
in a physical altercation. And
so at, at one point, she, you

901
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:31,510
know, she knew that it wasn't
gonna work out. And so she just

902
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:31,949
stopped.

903
00:57:31,959 --> 00:57:35,669
She kind of just let him do his
own thing and he just, he

904
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:38,590
started to get like a, he was
very, very, very short tempered.

905
00:57:38,850 --> 00:57:45,709
He was very, very assertive,
very violent and he was just

906
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:48,199
always like a ticking time bomb.
You never knew what was gonna

907
00:57:48,209 --> 00:57:50,479
set him off. You never knew when
he was going to be set off. But

908
00:57:50,489 --> 00:57:52,350
at any moment he could just blow
up at you.

909
00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:56,449
Mohammed was very easily
influenced and manipulated by

910
00:57:56,459 --> 00:58:00,540
his father. The only person he
cared to try to earn approval

911
00:58:00,550 --> 00:58:04,580
from during the early morning
hours the day, his mother's body

912
00:58:04,590 --> 00:58:08,500
was found. Mohammed had numerous
phone calls back and forth with

913
00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:08,639
Basil.

914
00:58:09,879 --> 00:58:13,459
This all occurred. Well, before
Muhammad told police that he was

915
00:58:13,469 --> 00:58:18,669
awake, even more telling was his
mother's contact name and his

916
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:26,580
phone. Mohammed had her listed
under B for bitch. Yeah, that's

917
00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:29,459
the Muslim way right there. You
just call your mom a bitch.

918
00:58:31,969 --> 00:58:36,219
When Muhammad finally went to
trial in 2022 his charges by

919
00:58:36,229 --> 00:58:40,179
this point had escalated to
first degree murder and he was

920
00:58:40,189 --> 00:58:45,929
being charged as an adult. His
defense attorney's main argument

921
00:58:45,939 --> 00:58:51,429
was that Mohammed could not have
pulled this off on his own. The

922
00:58:51,439 --> 00:58:55,379
attorney stated that it was
quote inconceivable that

923
00:58:55,389 --> 00:58:56,669
Mohammed killed Nada.

924
00:58:57,770 --> 00:59:01,030
The scene was set up so
professionally to look like an

925
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,179
accident both before and after
the killing took place, it just

926
00:59:06,189 --> 00:59:11,379
couldn't have been done by a 16
year old though he may not have

927
00:59:11,389 --> 00:59:14,989
had physical help inside the
home while he set up the

928
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,179
cleaning supplies and the ladder
events which were also backed up

929
00:59:19,189 --> 00:59:24,229
by the security camera footage.
He may have had instruction from

930
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:25,110
his own father.

931
00:59:26,020 --> 00:59:30,169
Why was he on the phone with his
dad in those early morning hours

932
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,590
including times right before and
right after Nada was thrown out

933
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,679
the window. Here's another
damning piece of circumstantial

934
00:59:39,689 --> 00:59:44,100
evidence. Both Basso and Nada
were scheduled to give

935
00:59:44,110 --> 00:59:49,270
depositions for their divorce
just two days after Nada was

936
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:54,139
murdered. You might be wondering
why on earth was Basil not

937
00:59:54,149 --> 00:59:57,479
charged with anything related to
this crime.

938
00:59:57,899 --> 01:00:01,070
But it's not enough to convict
him. I mean, it's all

939
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:06,219
circumstantial I think so. They,
I mean, they're, they wanted to

940
01:00:06,229 --> 01:00:09,489
get my dad more than anything I
think. I mean, I wanted that

941
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:12,120
too. I was like, if you can get
my dad and let my brother go

942
01:00:12,129 --> 01:00:15,629
free and that's the only way
like do it. My dad is the actual

943
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:18,050
culprit of everything. He's the
one who manipulated my brother

944
01:00:18,139 --> 01:00:20,840
and that's not say that I don't
blame my brother because I do.

945
01:00:20,850 --> 01:00:23,520
I mean, regardless of how much
he was manipulated or

946
01:00:23,530 --> 01:00:26,310
brainwashed or whatever term you
want to use, he was still at the

947
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,679
end of the day, he was 16 years
old, even if he was eight years

948
01:00:29,689 --> 01:00:32,370
old, like you know that killing
someone much less your own

949
01:00:32,379 --> 01:00:35,070
mother is very, very wrong like
that. You know, what is right

950
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:35,620
and what's wrong.

951
01:00:35,629 --> 01:00:42,580
So, yeah, he's definitely at
fault but he's also not the

952
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,649
person that's been behind
everything, you know, like,

953
01:00:45,659 --> 01:00:47,939
yeah, he took away my mother's
life and that's huge. That's

954
01:00:47,979 --> 01:00:50,260
definitely he needs to pay for
that. But at the same time, like

955
01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:53,209
my dad put my mother through
years and years and years of

956
01:00:53,219 --> 01:00:56,520
hell, and he got my brother to
kill her if he had the ability

957
01:00:56,530 --> 01:00:57,280
to kill my mother.

958
01:00:57,290 --> 01:01:00,120
I've absolutely 100% without a
doubt believe that he would have

959
01:01:00,129 --> 01:01:02,709
done it. But because he couldn't
do it, he had my brother do it.

960
01:01:03,129 --> 01:01:07,350
So yeah, throughout the entire
case, they have been trying to

961
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,270
find anything to use to get to
my dad. But they're my dad is

962
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,300
stupid but he's, he's smart in
picking a scapegoat and making

963
01:01:15,310 --> 01:01:18,689
sure that he doesn't fall for
his own actions. So he was able

964
01:01:18,699 --> 01:01:19,320
to get away with it.

965
01:01:20,270 --> 01:01:22,939
And while his son was in prison
for crimes, he may have

966
01:01:22,949 --> 01:01:27,889
orchestrated himself. Basil went
about the community begging and

967
01:01:27,899 --> 01:01:32,659
pleading for sympathy and you
guessed it, money.

968
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:36,919
The whole not being good with
finances thing didn't stop with

969
01:01:36,929 --> 01:01:39,939
my mom. It continued on with
him. So when, when all the money

970
01:01:39,949 --> 01:01:44,159
was split up, he while my dad,
while my brother was sitting in

971
01:01:44,169 --> 01:01:47,389
jail, ok? Refusing to say a
single bad word about my, my

972
01:01:47,399 --> 01:01:51,969
father, my father went on during
like winter break in like

973
01:01:51,979 --> 01:01:56,179
December, went to Las Vegas and
gambled away a quarter of a

974
01:01:56,189 --> 01:01:57,399
million dollars in one night.

975
01:01:57,810 --> 01:02:00,010
I mean, when, when everything
was still happening, this was

976
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:02,209
when I was like 1617, still
having to do mandatory

977
01:02:02,219 --> 01:02:05,939
visitations with him. And people
in our community still had like

978
01:02:05,949 --> 01:02:08,360
a good perspective of him and
sympathized with him.

979
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:12,840
He went around collecting money
from the community saying that

980
01:02:12,850 --> 01:02:15,969
it was to help pay for legal
fees for my, for my brother and

981
01:02:15,979 --> 01:02:18,550
people were giving him money,
guess what he goes and does with

982
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,489
the money, buys a brand new
sports car. So then at that

983
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:23,320
point, people were like, what
the hell is wrong with you? Like

984
01:02:23,330 --> 01:02:25,919
we're going to stop giving you
money. It's like he's, he's not

985
01:02:25,929 --> 01:02:26,909
a smart person.

986
01:02:27,699 --> 01:02:30,939
The same community that was
silent during Nada's domestic

987
01:02:30,949 --> 01:02:35,610
violence experience initially
stood up to both defend Mohammed

988
01:02:35,620 --> 01:02:42,179
and Basil funny how that happens
in some communities. It took an

989
01:02:42,189 --> 01:02:47,939
act so blatantly ungrateful and
greedy to finally turn his own

990
01:02:47,949 --> 01:02:54,129
community against him. All the
while Bassel made the same

991
01:02:54,139 --> 01:02:59,870
claims over and over his son,
Mohammed was innocent.

992
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,229
My son never lie. My kids never
lie.

993
01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:09,570
Apparently to basle his son
would never lie. But I guess we

994
01:03:09,580 --> 01:03:13,600
should disregard what his
daughters had to say, right? Is

995
01:03:13,610 --> 01:03:16,760
that how that works? After all,
it kind of contradicts the whole

996
01:03:16,770 --> 01:03:18,620
idea that Muhammad is innocent.

997
01:03:19,090 --> 01:03:25,060
You know, I haven't been able to
be like this happened to me and

998
01:03:25,070 --> 01:03:27,629
my family, but I, I wasn't
allowed to know anything about

999
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:30,040
what was being said. I was
allowed to know anything about

1000
01:03:30,050 --> 01:03:33,120
the trial until it was over. And
so it was just everyone giving

1001
01:03:33,129 --> 01:03:35,719
me their opinions on it and like
I said, that's fine. But you

1002
01:03:35,729 --> 01:03:37,679
can't sit here and tell me that
what I went through is

1003
01:03:37,689 --> 01:03:38,379
incorrect.

1004
01:03:38,389 --> 01:03:42,449
Like I, I lived through it. You
didn't, you know. And so I

1005
01:03:42,459 --> 01:03:45,600
wouldn't just re emphasizing, I
wouldn't, I wouldn't be doing

1006
01:03:45,610 --> 01:03:48,830
this if there was no reason to
be doing this. You know, I

1007
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,949
don't, I don't wake up one day
and decide, hey, let me go ruin

1008
01:03:51,959 --> 01:03:54,419
my brother and my father's life.
Like, no, they did that to

1009
01:03:54,429 --> 01:03:54,959
themselves.

1010
01:03:54,969 --> 01:03:58,169
It's the consequences of their
own actions may maybe they

1011
01:03:58,179 --> 01:04:00,620
didn't expect to be caught or
they didn't expect to have

1012
01:04:00,629 --> 01:04:04,179
repercussions. But like wake up,
you're, you're an adult there.

1013
01:04:04,189 --> 01:04:07,020
This is what happens when you do
things like this. You get in

1014
01:04:07,030 --> 01:04:11,989
trouble for it. So I don't know.
I mean, I've, I've made my peace

1015
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:12,550
with everything.

1016
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,479
I've put it all behind me. I've
moved on. This is to me just

1017
01:04:16,489 --> 01:04:19,020
another step in my healing
journey is, you know, actually

1018
01:04:19,030 --> 01:04:23,620
being able to give my voice and
tell people everything that I

1019
01:04:23,629 --> 01:04:25,830
went through and my mother has
gone through as opposed to just

1020
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,750
having everyone be like, oh,
this is what you went through

1021
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:28,989
and this isn't what you went
through.

1022
01:04:29,739 --> 01:04:34,300
Basil himself is someone who
seems to be preoccupied with

1023
01:04:34,310 --> 01:04:39,110
getting money either legally or
illegally and spending it

1024
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:44,020
frivolously. He used Islam as a
way to control people around him

1025
01:04:44,030 --> 01:04:48,949
and keep them under his thumb.
He was very quote unquote old

1026
01:04:48,959 --> 01:04:54,429
school or extreme in the belief
system. He taught his family.

1027
01:04:54,729 --> 01:04:59,889
My dad in the trial and like
everything, every aspect of his

1028
01:04:59,899 --> 01:05:03,659
life was very, very religious,
very, very cultural. If our

1029
01:05:03,669 --> 01:05:06,270
religion or our culture said
something that contradicted,

1030
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,610
like American Law, you listen to
the religion, you ignore the

1031
01:05:09,620 --> 01:05:12,570
American Law. Like that's to the
extent that he was out with it.

1032
01:05:12,889 --> 01:05:16,419
And so, you know, a lot of
things that were, were said

1033
01:05:16,429 --> 01:05:20,919
online is that we were forced to
like, dress a certain way or we

1034
01:05:20,929 --> 01:05:23,040
couldn't work because of the
religion and none of that is

1035
01:05:23,050 --> 01:05:26,919
true. I mean, my dad had an
issue with the way that I

1036
01:05:26,929 --> 01:05:30,679
dressed and it wasn't even like
breaking religious guidelines at

1037
01:05:30,689 --> 01:05:34,379
that point at all. But that,
that was just more of a cultural

1038
01:05:34,389 --> 01:05:35,810
thing. Same with working.

1039
01:05:35,820 --> 01:05:38,530
There's nothing in our religion
at all that says that woman

1040
01:05:38,540 --> 01:05:42,929
can't work. But I think for him,
he just used that as a tactic to

1041
01:05:42,939 --> 01:05:46,719
maintain control over us. And
so, and he was just very, very

1042
01:05:46,729 --> 01:05:49,060
old school in his thinking. I
mean, I remember when I brought

1043
01:05:49,070 --> 01:05:51,510
up telling him that I was going
to go to college one day and I

1044
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:52,879
was still in middle school at
this point.

1045
01:05:52,979 --> 01:05:56,110
He responded that no, you know,
we'll, we'll discuss it when you

1046
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,719
get to that point. And I said,
ok, like, yeah, for sure. But

1047
01:05:58,750 --> 01:06:00,520
just so, you know, like I am
going to go to college, I'm

1048
01:06:00,530 --> 01:06:03,659
going to become a lawyer and he
's like, no, you know, your,

1049
01:06:03,669 --> 01:06:05,929
your job as a woman is just to
stay home and take care of the

1050
01:06:05,939 --> 01:06:06,540
kids.

1051
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,290
And once again, like nothing
about the religion says that if

1052
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:13,560
anything, our religion
emphasizes women having

1053
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,520
financial and like just
independence in their life in

1054
01:06:16,530 --> 01:06:18,500
general, not having to be
relying on anyone and so

1055
01:06:18,510 --> 01:06:22,120
whatever you do to get to that
point. Great. My dad was just,

1056
01:06:22,129 --> 01:06:25,149
you know, women have to stay
home, men are in control and

1057
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:25,919
that's about it.

1058
01:06:26,379 --> 01:06:29,399
Anything that kind of, I guess
like in the media was portrayed

1059
01:06:29,409 --> 01:06:32,209
as us becoming more
Americanized. Anything that kind

1060
01:06:32,219 --> 01:06:36,639
of made it seem that that was
the case he was very much

1061
01:06:36,649 --> 01:06:40,090
against. And it was kind of
ironic to me when I first saw

1062
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:43,290
the very first time I read a
headline that said that he had

1063
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:44,889
issues with us becoming
Americanized.

1064
01:06:44,899 --> 01:06:47,969
I just kind of laughed to myself
because I was like, if you had

1065
01:06:47,979 --> 01:06:50,129
issues with us becoming
Americanized, why would you move

1066
01:06:50,139 --> 01:06:54,050
to America to start your family,
you know, like just what are you

1067
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:56,939
expecting? Especially given that
he was born and where both of

1068
01:06:56,949 --> 01:06:59,199
them were born and raised in
Syria, that's where they grew

1069
01:06:59,209 --> 01:06:59,719
up.

1070
01:06:59,729 --> 01:07:03,159
You should know that when you
moved to America and you give

1071
01:07:03,169 --> 01:07:05,290
birth to your kids in America
and that's where they're being

1072
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:08,409
raised. They're going to adapt
things that are, that they see

1073
01:07:08,419 --> 01:07:10,110
around them and their culture
and the environment. So

1074
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,280
obviously, it's going to be, our
upbringing is going to be

1075
01:07:12,290 --> 01:07:14,590
extremely different. If you were
going to have such an issue with

1076
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,699
it, you shouldn't have moved to
America in the first place.

1077
01:07:16,709 --> 01:07:22,409
That's kind of on you. So I, I'm
not religious. I do practice

1078
01:07:22,419 --> 01:07:25,750
some aspects of it, but it
definitely just doesn't have

1079
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,560
anything to do with my father. I
think it's just for me

1080
01:07:28,570 --> 01:07:33,030
relearning the actual religion
itself as opposed to what my

1081
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,590
father has taught me, which is a
very twisted version of it.

1082
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,419
So, the same grandiose and
manipulative attitudes followed

1083
01:07:41,429 --> 01:07:47,760
both Basil and Mohammad into the
courtroom. In early 2022 a jury

1084
01:07:47,770 --> 01:07:51,120
deliberated for just a few hours
before finding Mohammed guilty

1085
01:07:51,129 --> 01:07:56,360
of his crimes. When sentencing
rolled around Mohammed 21 years

1086
01:07:56,370 --> 01:08:00,399
old by this time, decided to
fire his legal team and

1087
01:08:00,409 --> 01:08:04,790
represent himself during his
sentencing hearing, both

1088
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,989
Mohammed and his father caused
numerous disturbances.

1089
01:08:08,729 --> 01:08:13,219
Mohammed himself wasted hours of
time raising objections to words

1090
01:08:13,229 --> 01:08:17,189
and phrases that were used in
his pre sentencing investigation

1091
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,409
report. Some of his objections
related to the portrayal of his

1092
01:08:21,418 --> 01:08:26,469
family's Syrian culture and
their faith in Islam, claiming

1093
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,458
Law enforcement was prejudiced
and bigoted.

1094
01:08:31,338 --> 01:08:34,669
How many times have we heard
this shit before? He brought up

1095
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,560
his father's domestic violence
history and explained why he

1096
01:08:38,569 --> 01:08:43,080
thought it was all unfair and
untrue. And he even tried to

1097
01:08:43,089 --> 01:08:47,040
challenge a report that
referenced a time police were

1098
01:08:47,049 --> 01:08:51,240
called to the house because
Muhammad was quote playing with

1099
01:08:51,250 --> 01:08:52,000
knives.

1100
01:08:52,839 --> 01:08:57,879
He thought that was irrelevant.
I guess you'd think with nearly

1101
01:08:57,890 --> 01:09:01,310
five years to think about what
he'd done. Muhammad would have

1102
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:07,298
found some crumbs of virtue left
inside of him somewhere rattling

1103
01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:13,089
around something to bring forth
and finally take accountability

1104
01:09:13,270 --> 01:09:14,370
for what he had done.

1105
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:20,250
But I guess for some people that
's asking for far, far too much.

1106
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,060
Well, this past March, a jury
needed just three hours to find

1107
01:09:24,270 --> 01:09:28,260
Tantawi guilty of first degree
premeditated murder. He says he

1108
01:09:28,260 --> 01:09:31,549
's innocent. Pamela Osborne has
been following. Today's hearing.

1109
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,370
This did not go smoothly. Pam.

1110
01:09:33,379 --> 01:09:36,279
It did not. There were several
outbursts in that courtroom

1111
01:09:36,290 --> 01:09:38,839
today. It took the judge four
more hours to even get to the

1112
01:09:38,850 --> 01:09:41,390
sentencing part. Here's a look
at some of what played out in

1113
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:47,059
court five years ago. I got
arrested for, as I said, the

1114
01:09:47,068 --> 01:09:54,500
worst crime imaginable, oh man.
And, and for her to die at 35

1115
01:09:54,509 --> 01:09:58,950
years old. A terrible death by
any means, MD O CS requested

1116
01:09:58,979 --> 01:10:02,100
sentence for 40 to 80 years. I
don't care.

1117
01:10:02,830 --> 01:10:04,979
I don't know. But honestly, I
don't know what you would want

1118
01:10:04,990 --> 01:10:08,009
to see from it because it was
just four hours of him rambling.

1119
01:10:08,020 --> 01:10:11,220
Like until we actually got the
sentencing part, it was

1120
01:10:11,229 --> 01:10:14,839
literally four hours of him
rambling. It was ridiculous. I

1121
01:10:14,850 --> 01:10:15,729
was falling asleep.

1122
01:10:15,740 --> 01:10:19,250
I was playing games on my phone
like I was, I didn't want to be

1123
01:10:19,259 --> 01:10:22,299
there. I was like I thought I
was showing up to say my piece

1124
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:25,859
here his his sentencing and then
leave. I didn't expect to be

1125
01:10:25,870 --> 01:10:30,810
here for the entire day. So
yeah, no, it was, it was a mess.

1126
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,930
Mohammed maintained his
innocence throughout the hearing

1127
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:39,660
exclaiming that someday his
conviction would be overturned.

1128
01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:45,470
A lot of arrogance there. I
guess that's pretty obvious when

1129
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,569
it came time for victim impact
statements.

1130
01:10:49,069 --> 01:10:54,250
Basil Walton Tawi took the stand
speaking not about the true

1131
01:10:54,259 --> 01:11:00,779
victim in this crime but about
his oh, so innocent son. He was

1132
01:11:00,790 --> 01:11:03,970
a loving and he's still a
loving, caring, supportive,

1133
01:11:03,979 --> 01:11:08,729
human being that he's been
convicted wrongly convicted.

1134
01:11:08,859 --> 01:11:11,189
Also that in me and.

1135
01:11:14,549 --> 01:11:19,979
You are not. I said he not. I,
but if he's talking about you,

1136
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:25,390
sir, he's referring to you as a
victim. You are not. His mother

1137
01:11:25,399 --> 01:11:29,919
wasn't taken away, she wasn't
killed, he murdered her,

1138
01:11:30,109 --> 01:11:31,160
murdered her.

1139
01:11:32,020 --> 01:11:36,140
And the evidence backed it up.
The jury took no time at all to

1140
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:40,490
convict and this judge did not
have a good impression of

1141
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:45,020
Mohammed or his father. Not
after that massive waste of time

1142
01:11:45,029 --> 01:11:50,899
in the courtroom. As a result,
she handed down a sentence of 35

1143
01:11:50,910 --> 01:11:52,729
to 60 years in prison.

1144
01:11:53,109 --> 01:11:57,120
I really liked her. I thought
she was really fair. I talked to

1145
01:11:57,129 --> 01:12:01,069
the prosecutors about, you know,
why she gave him somewhat of a

1146
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,439
lighter sentence. It wasn't a
light sentence by any means, but

1147
01:12:03,450 --> 01:12:08,160
it wasn't the maximum and she
was being really strategic

1148
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,500
because everyone knows that my
brother is going to appeal the

1149
01:12:11,509 --> 01:12:14,870
case. And I was also asking why
she let him ramble on for like

1150
01:12:14,879 --> 01:12:15,839
five hours.

1151
01:12:16,220 --> 01:12:20,779
But yeah, it was all part of
strategy, I guess and she knew

1152
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:23,569
that he was going to appeal. So
she didn't want to give him any

1153
01:12:23,580 --> 01:12:27,560
basis that he could appeal the
case on and have the verdict to

1154
01:12:27,569 --> 01:12:30,100
be overturned or have a sentence
be shortened. So by letting him

1155
01:12:30,109 --> 01:12:32,189
rainbow, by letting him say
anything and everything he wants

1156
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,700
to say, he can't go back later
and be like, oh, well, the judge

1157
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:35,580
wouldn't let me speak.

1158
01:12:35,674 --> 01:12:38,854
She wasn't letting me represent
myself. And then with the

1159
01:12:38,865 --> 01:12:41,535
sentencing that nobody can be
like, oh, well, you gave him the

1160
01:12:41,544 --> 01:12:43,555
maximum sentence and for
whatever reason that wasn't

1161
01:12:43,564 --> 01:12:48,134
fair, she gave him a fair
sentencing, very fair trial. So

1162
01:12:48,145 --> 01:12:50,975
he has no leg to stand on in
terms of the appeal.

1163
01:12:51,740 --> 01:12:55,120
If all of his future parole
hearings result in denials.

1164
01:12:55,129 --> 01:13:00,879
Muhammad may end up spending the
entire next 60 years in prison.

1165
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:06,859
Chances are though some parole
officer will let him out poor

1166
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:11,220
kid, right? Give him another
chance. I mean, all he did was

1167
01:13:11,229 --> 01:13:12,299
murder his own mother.

1168
01:13:13,419 --> 01:13:18,799
As for Aya, she moved on to
bigger and better things and is

1169
01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:22,750
still planning to go to Law
school because all of this

1170
01:13:22,759 --> 01:13:27,209
happened when Aya was just 14,
she and her sister were put into

1171
01:13:27,220 --> 01:13:32,520
foster care. At some point. I
aged out of the system, her

1172
01:13:32,529 --> 01:13:36,479
little sister was placed back in
the care of their father where

1173
01:13:36,490 --> 01:13:37,830
she remains today.

1174
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:42,100
Yeah, I don't get to talk to her
at all. For the fir until I was

1175
01:13:42,109 --> 01:13:46,870
17 around that age, I had to do
court mandated supervised visits

1176
01:13:46,879 --> 01:13:50,290
with my father. And so he would
sometimes bring my little sister

1177
01:13:50,859 --> 01:13:55,509
and yeah, there was like no
safety risk. But, you know, you

1178
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,040
can tell that she wasn't being
cared for. I mean, hygiene with

1179
01:13:58,049 --> 01:13:59,060
her was non existent.

1180
01:13:59,069 --> 01:14:02,020
She was, she had gained a lot of
weight in the summer. She'd be

1181
01:14:02,029 --> 01:14:05,930
wearing like winter rain boots,
things like that she wasn't

1182
01:14:05,939 --> 01:14:08,350
being taken care of. But do I
think he was being abusive to

1183
01:14:08,359 --> 01:14:12,060
her now? But so yeah, so he
would bring her every now and

1184
01:14:12,069 --> 01:14:16,544
then, but he would be
brainwashing her as well. To

1185
01:14:16,555 --> 01:14:19,504
hate me. So when he would get up
to go to the bathroom or

1186
01:14:19,515 --> 01:14:20,064
something.

1187
01:14:20,075 --> 01:14:22,615
She would turn to me and be,
like my dad said, that you're a

1188
01:14:22,625 --> 01:14:25,604
liar and that I have to hate
you. So I hate you like things

1189
01:14:25,615 --> 01:14:29,205
like that. And I'd sit there and
be like, ok, so, yeah, basically

1190
01:14:29,214 --> 01:14:33,035
I haven't, I haven't talked to
her since I was like, 17 last I

1191
01:14:33,044 --> 01:14:35,785
heard which was at the
sentencing. He was living with

1192
01:14:35,794 --> 01:14:39,075
my little sister in his friend's
house. So like he's not living a

1193
01:14:39,084 --> 01:14:39,705
good life.

1194
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:45,279
He may not be living a good life
right now. But Bassel still has

1195
01:14:45,290 --> 01:14:51,209
just a suspended medical license
as far as we know he could renew

1196
01:14:51,220 --> 01:14:57,569
it at any time and resume his
career as a physician. Think

1197
01:14:57,580 --> 01:15:02,520
about that next time you go in
for a checkup. Let's hope that

1198
01:15:02,529 --> 01:15:06,580
his reputation precedes him
though, in all of his future

1199
01:15:06,589 --> 01:15:07,459
endeavors.

1200
01:15:07,890 --> 01:15:11,910
This entire time. I, I have
always heard, well, he's your

1201
01:15:11,919 --> 01:15:13,910
brother. He's your dad. Like
they love you. They would never

1202
01:15:13,919 --> 01:15:16,020
do this to you. Like, why are
you doing this to them once

1203
01:15:16,029 --> 01:15:18,379
again? Why would I do this to
them if it wasn't true? You

1204
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:19,799
know, like they're, they're my
family.

1205
01:15:20,069 --> 01:15:24,149
I wouldn't make up lies to this
extent about anyone, much less

1206
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,990
my own brother and my father if
it wasn't true. You know, like

1207
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,910
I'm not, I'm not a child. My
brother is spending his life in

1208
01:15:29,919 --> 01:15:33,250
jail. I haven't had contact with
my dad in years. That's not by

1209
01:15:33,259 --> 01:15:37,399
choice. It's because that is
what's best for me considering

1210
01:15:37,410 --> 01:15:38,709
what they've put me through.

1211
01:15:39,020 --> 01:15:43,459
So it just, I mean, everyone
obviously is entitled to their

1212
01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:47,859
own opinions, but no one has the
right to sit here and tell me

1213
01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:49,629
that. Well, you, you don't know
what you're talking about or

1214
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,330
you're making things up or your
feelings are invalid because you

1215
01:15:52,339 --> 01:15:55,609
didn't live with my family. I
grew up when I was raised by

1216
01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:55,890
them.

1217
01:15:55,899 --> 01:15:58,859
Like this is, this is my family.
Unless you have lived with them,

1218
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,339
you don't know what actually
went on behind closed doors. You

1219
01:16:01,350 --> 01:16:03,819
only saw what we wanted you to
see and that's about it. So you

1220
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:07,080
have your opinion. Yeah, you can
voice it but it's completely

1221
01:16:07,089 --> 01:16:10,009
invalid if you're telling me
that I'm wrong about what I went

1222
01:16:10,020 --> 01:16:10,350
through.

1223
01:16:10,740 --> 01:16:17,060
You know, Aya's entire family of
five have been ripped to shreds.

1224
01:16:17,870 --> 01:16:22,470
Mohammed and his father both
seem to have blamed Nada for the

1225
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:28,140
initial dissolution of their
family unit. But how then I ask,

1226
01:16:28,930 --> 01:16:33,509
could they possibly have thought
and their stupid little brains

1227
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:37,600
that murdering her would solve
the problem.

1228
01:16:38,410 --> 01:16:44,549
How fucking idiotic Mohammed Al
Tantawi may have been a minor

1229
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:50,660
when he killed his own mother,
but he knew exactly what he was

1230
01:16:50,669 --> 01:16:58,060
doing. It's just that getting
caught wasn't part of the plan.

1231
01:17:22,850 --> 01:17:26,229
Depending on when you hear this.
You may or may not already know

1232
01:17:26,540 --> 01:17:31,040
episode two of swords scale
television drops may 1st it's

1233
01:17:31,049 --> 01:17:33,589
really a fucked up story. Stay
safe.

1234
01:17:57,279 --> 01:18:01,299
Hey, Mike Mark. We here from
Clarkston, Michigan. I've been

1235
01:18:01,310 --> 01:18:05,700
with you since season one. But
unfortunately, I only became a

1236
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:12,100
member in 2023. Anyway, I wanted
to tell you how much I love the

1237
01:18:12,109 --> 01:18:15,959
show. It's, it's a must listen
and I look forward to new

1238
01:18:15,970 --> 01:18:18,629
episodes. I just wanted to tell
you, you know, some people have

1239
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,939
a destiny have, have a, have a
job that they are good at, but

1240
01:18:21,950 --> 01:18:24,500
they don't know it at the time.

1241
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:30,100
And your management and, and,
and production skills on sword

1242
01:18:30,129 --> 01:18:34,939
and scale is the job you are
destined for. There is no other

1243
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:38,540
podcast that comes close to you.
I listen to a lot of them and

1244
01:18:38,549 --> 01:18:43,720
they're garbage. You guys are
top notch the best and I want to

1245
01:18:43,729 --> 01:18:46,879
thank you for that. I look
forward to many more years of

1246
01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:51,310
enjoyment and I hope you stay
safe and I just love what you

1247
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:53,629
guys do. Take care of my
friends. Bye bye.