Breaking Out Of The Box w/Coco Jones

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Speaker 1: Coming up on Keep It Positive, sweetie. Speaking of performances, you just did the Usher tribute at thet Awards this year. Phenomenal the way you crawl up on that stage. I said, only a tall girl could do that because I'd have been like so gracefully, thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's so sweet because literally in my mind I felt like I was like, no, you look it was good. That is hilarious, thank you. That is so funny. Yeah, I love that. I think that was such a really dope opportunity to show all the R and B girls in different ways that we all shine and uplift Usher, who was of course iconic.

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Speaker 3: I really loved that that concept in general.

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Speaker 2: But yes, girl, So when I was walking down, like you know, I'm trying to get sex with me, I'm trying to give that, but like it's a literal ramp.

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Speaker 3: So I had these.

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Speaker 2: Heels on and I was like, I felt like shrack up.

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Speaker 1: But I was really trying to give safe show. I'm Christoph Nate Hazel, and this is keep it Pasa is sweetie, a safe face to heal, laugh, grow and love. Today's show is brought to you by be Et and I'm discussing sisterhood and much more. With the Grammy Award winning and one of the stars of bel Air, Coco Jones and only twenty six years old, Coco Jones has mastered so much in the entertainment industry, with top charting hits like I See You and Here We Go, along with the wildly popular role of Hillary Banks on bel Air, Coco scenes to only be scratching the surface. I am so excited she's here to chat about her personal life, fessional evolution and work life balance and her love life well at least, I hope so co Cold. Thank you so much for being here. I am a huge fan of all your work. I love you on bel Air, I love your music. And then you were like a childhood actor as well. How has that evolution been, going from being a childhood actor to now like being a grown woman doing your thing.

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Speaker 2: I think you have a lot more perspective on the business side of things. You know, as a child, it's just like a dream and uh, you don't really notice any of the entertainment business side of it.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's the good and the bad of it.

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Speaker 2: Cause I do like the challenge of growing as a businesswoman while also growing as an actress, but sometimes it could take.

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Speaker 3: The passion away.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like pros and cons.

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Speaker 1: That's good. So when you were a kid who was like handling everything, it was your your parents on everything.

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Speaker 3: It was my mom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your mom. Are you more hands on now as an adults?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean I learned a lot from my mom because she's had multiple comes, the means that she's run and she's my business manager currently. She just taught me a lot about being a businesswoman and fact checking things and holding people accountable to their word and you know, being your biggest advocate.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, she taught me a lot, but it was her.

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Speaker 1: I love that you literally still your mom's face, like y'all look.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my, no for real.

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Speaker 2: She says that when I was a baby, she would show me pictures of her as a baby and she'd be like that's mommy and I was like, no, that's me, and she'd be like, no, it's mommy, and I'd be like it's us.

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Speaker 1: That is funny. Though. When I saw you all during Grammy Week this year, I was like, wow, I was like spitting image. Literally, she could not deny you no.

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Speaker 3: Literally, the tweets were like the father was not in the room. So funny.

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Speaker 1: As your growing up and evolving in this industry, you've become a role model, but you're still so young. What does that feel like? Do you feel like I'm not there yet or do you feel like, Okay, I can take on this.

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Speaker 3: Role as a role model. I mean, humbly, I feel like I don't really know nothing. I just got here too.

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Speaker 2: But I think that even like, I'm an older sister, so I look at my younger siblings and to them, I've learned more than them in some areas, even when I feel like I still have so much more to go. You know, somebody's looking at it as Wow, I'm learning from you, you know. So I don't really I don't know. I guess it is just is what it is. And I want to, you know, continue to inspire young black girls. And if they're watching me and they're looking up to me, I want to be you know, worth that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of sisterhood, I'm a sister on Tyler Period's Sisters, but also a big sister in real life, and you as well, you portray a big sister on TV. How has that been? I love you? And Ashley's relationship I love and I also love how they at a young age, she's going through trying to figure out her sexuality and she likes me and no women or boys or girls. And I love how you're so supportive of her. How has it been playing big sister and then being on such an iconic show as Belair because I grew up to we both grew up to watching First Prince and now you're on the spin off. How does it feel? And playing their role as a big sister?

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Speaker 2: Playing a big sister is so fun because that's me very much.

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Speaker 3: Is so authentic to me.

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Speaker 2: And Akira, who plays Ashley in real life, she is such like this little Bambi, you know, just looking at me. And someone who plays Lista looking at all of us cast who plays on viv like just looking up to us. And I see myself in her because I was always the youngest wherever I was at, where I was always working, So I was always.

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Speaker 3: The youngest, like how do I what do I do? Like you know?

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Speaker 2: And so to me, I feel that natural, like protective instinct with her that I have with my own sister feels very authentic. And I think playing such an iconic role on such an iconic show that's such a black classic. Is it's an honor? Yeah, you know, to be a to represent Hillary the way she is. She's educated, driven, she's dark skinned, and she has choice that she says no, she makes mistakes, she asks for help, Like all of those things are such a well rounded perspective on what a black girl can be. And I just know that that representation for me when I was a kid changed the course of my life.

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Speaker 3: So it just feels like an honor to be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: I love that same not being in the industry and having sisters circles, Have you been able to find your own sister circle within the industry because we get we get flag for not being you know what I'm saying, girls.

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Speaker 3: Girls, Yeah, that's real. Yeah, that's real. Shady, Yeah, very shady.

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Speaker 1: That's your experience being because there are some good girls.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: It's hard wherever you are because you know, people have been through their own journeys and I kind of feel like, especially with girls, it's like, are you gonna hurt me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't hurt your first girl.

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Speaker 2: Don't even don't even try, right, you know, I know you you know, and then it's like you gotta everybody's gotta slowly let their guard down from me.

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Speaker 3: It takes a long flye for meat for trip.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's been decades and I'm still like questionable. But that's me though, That's that's my you know, like that's the I'm the product of literally being in this industry. And so for me, the trust is like it's like, oh, hard to get. But because I started so young, I one had friends who didn't care about all of that at all. They didn't know what that even meant. And like going to La Girl where even on the map, you know, and I met girls like I met my best friend through a TV show that we both were guest starring on and we've been best friends since. We've been friends for like I don't know, ten ten years. But I think for me, I I'm grateful that my family too, was like a big source of support because for a lot of the time, like I said, I was still like kind of holding my breath on people, expecting them to disappoint me because you know, my experiences.

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Speaker 3: But like through therapy, through therapy, I feeled.

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Speaker 2: From that and I have found my circle. A couple I mean, honestly, half my circle is my siblings.

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Speaker 3: I ain't gonna hold you.

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Speaker 2: I loves my zogs, but I also have some girls that, like, I really really feel get me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's beautiful. You did start this industry at a very young age. What were some of the pressures. I know you said you were the one always looking up to the older girls because you were the youngest. What are some of the pressures that you dealt with, and then even some of those things that kind of broke your trust where you had to be more guarded, just.

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Speaker 2: This pressure to be marketable. I didn't even know what that meant, but I knew the girls that were getting the opportunities, and they didn't look like me, So.

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Speaker 3: How do I change?

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Speaker 2: Like what can I change to look like them so I can do what they're doing. You know, I'm grateful that I had and have my mom who always told me you're beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they're thinking. I don't know what they don't know.

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Speaker 2: We know, just because it's so much to mess with your head at that time, and I felt like to the way I sang was too much. That's what I had been told sometimes, like just do it like in the demo, like just do it like that, but like my natural instincts were to be doing this and do that, and I felt like I had to be in some sort of box for a really long time just so I could to be employed.

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Speaker 3: And as a kid, I didn't even really know.

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Speaker 2: I was just like okay, but you know, as you get older, you don't have an identity. You don't even know what you like because you just have been studying what works. So I did have to break out of that. And then there was the other part of your question, what did you say?

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Speaker 1: What were some of the experiences that happened that made you guard yourself.

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Speaker 2: I literally cannot with the amount of times that like people told me, oh my gosh, you are perfect for this, we are doing this for you and you are a star and d and I would literally never hear from them again, Like it would just go the complete opposite way, and it just makes you feel like everybody's lying, just like it's a waste of your time even get excited.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, it'd.

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Speaker 2: Be like like if every Christmas you are expecting gifts and then there's no gifts by the but a certain amount of Christmas, I'm not even gonna feel nothing more, you know, not even looking forward to it. So yeah, it took a while for me to like to really I still I still be looking at words like you're gonna have to show me something. But the people that are meant to be in my life, they do what they say, and it's just a good for me. It's a good way to like be able to tell, you know, because people could be chatting, but when you gotta walk with you talk exactly, I'll show you who people really are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you talk about being put in a box. At what point were you like, I'm breaking out of this box. I'm gonna be fully me and I'm gonna do this thing.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question.

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Speaker 2: So when I moved to La, I was seventeen and I just started to live. You know, I had been super focused on work, so I didn't do anything.

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Speaker 3: I didn't rebel at all. I wanted to be higher, yes, so I wasn't trying to I was trying to be no boys, no things. We are the jobs.

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Speaker 2: So I got to live and make mistakes and I got to like find myself. I met these girls like I like this one guy and he had all female friends, and I was like, oh, and I love the friends. Though I love the girls. I was like dropping you these girls literally and so we would have so much fun. We'd go to parties, girls take jello shots, and I just got to live. I got to like talk the way I want to talk, and like learn like lingo, what's cute, like what like new artists and like what they talk about. And I just felt like, wait a minute, this is who I am. So how do I make this translate on music? Why do I feel like I have to, like, you know, perform to write. If I really want to write what I If I'm really an artist, then it all needs to correlate. So that means I got to talk on these records where I talk with these girls like.

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Speaker 3: The way I really am so yeah around like eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I love that it and it translates because we have a big age. We have the age. Yeah, but the things that you talk about, I'm like, girl, me too, for real.

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Speaker 2: I really feel like we're all like humans living the same experience in different ways. That's why with my music, I try to like really bear my soul because I'm like somebody gonna feel.

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Speaker 1: This, Oh honey, Well if nobody. I know, look away, everybody feel it, but I feel it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I listened, like I love here we go. I see you just want to grab me for that. How was that? I don't even know it was.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know better.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like, y'all get serious, please, what are we talking about? This is just it's just hard to like really process it that really happens, you know, because I also feel like in my own head, I'm like, I haven't even put out at I have way.

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Speaker 3: More work to do. I didn't earn this. But I'll be like, not too much on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually been decades. Hello, Yeah, you have been working towards this for a very long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's still crazy, still crazy. It's at my mama's house. I'm like, girl, I can't look at that.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe this.

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Speaker 1: It's also in the middle of all this, it's so much happening. Do you ever find yourself having a hard time balancing your work life and your personal life?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes it is hard to feel like you want to say no, but you're like, but what if that what if that event was the one where I met the girl who made me introduce me to the Yeah, whatever, whatever, whatever you know, and then it's like, but I'm tired, So yes, sometimes it is hard, but I feel like that's where I'm like, am I operating out of fear or faith? Because if I truly believe that I'm gonna be good, then I can go to sleep today. I can say no to that opportunity and trust that there will be something else on the back end. So there's not really balanced. But you got to listen to yourself because if you're burnt out, you're not gonna be giving your job what you need to give.

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Speaker 1: That's real. Tasha Cobbs said something that was so profound in me. She said that rest is trust trust, Okay, because no A I was like, okay.

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Speaker 3: I'm an imperiod to sleep.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because there's so much power and know and I'm forty two, So I'm I'm forty two. You are great, thank you, thank you. But I was such a people pleaser and yes, yes, like you, Okay, this is the one event. If I don't go to this, I missed something. And it's so funny. This is like a joke. But Bad Boys for the latest Bad Boys came out and Jacob, the guy who played on Will's son Fine but Alicia peas. But I got invited to this event during BTR word weekend and I ended up getting like this migrant. I was like, I just I'm so tired, I can't go walk up. The next morning, Jacob was there. I said I should have got but I was so I was little fight for my life. But it's moments like that where I was like I had to listen to my body. But then you wake up and you're like, no, for real, girl.

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Speaker 2: I'll be the one to I won't even look it up. I don't even want to know how it went. I don't want to know who was there because I cannot.

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Speaker 3: I cannot. But that is so real. Rest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that for self care when when you do have time. What are the things that Coco Jones likes to do to take care of herself?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I love to get all my favorite foods and get one of my favorite movies and just stay in the bed and eat, just stay, eat, chills, sleep, wake up, eat again.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's one of my.

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Speaker 1: Favorite did unless it was go get food from the door.

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Speaker 3: Period.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I really don't get up unless that uber Man is there and he been not asked for that cold. I'm like, sorry, oh, come on, make a snack.

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to see you. You're not trying to see me a little crazy, I'll.

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Speaker 1: Put it in the chat like okay, no for real, Yeah, I'll take the code as you.

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Speaker 2: Actually, it's like literally, I love doing that. I love journaling me too. I feel like that is such a good way to like empty your brain. I'm like, whatever's heavy, I might get a massage.

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Speaker 3: Girl.

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Speaker 2: If I can rest to my brain, I will get them some Yeah, because I love a good message.

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Speaker 1: Because it's like the ninety minutes to have on you get it. That's somewhere I lively put my phone down. Yes, don't answer.

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Speaker 3: Anything, yes for real for real. And last thing I love is I love going on walks. Really, I really do.

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Speaker 2: If the weather is nice and like it's somewhere nice, so you might have to drive somewhere so you can walk somewhere. Yeah, but once it's like a nice area, I could just walk forever and think.

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Speaker 3: I just love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love they need you need that time. So you said you like to eat your favorite foods. I'm curious, what are your favorite foods, and your favorite movie.

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Speaker 2: Girl Ramen Crab legs, Ooh, I'm a fish. Okay, I mean they're chaotic on their own chaos. That's that buffet. He's feeling in the bag, he's feeling me in the back. But to see them all in a ray, I'm like, this could bring me. That is literally hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I love it in your favorite movie.

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Speaker 3: My favorite movie.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is a little bears, not too much of me out, but I do love Cloudie with a Chance of Meet Boss.

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Speaker 3: Just let me explain.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because my inner child therapizing myself. My inner child, she had to work so hard now. But really, I love cartoons. I think they're so cute and like the little jokes they be doing, Like you know, the jokes for the adults that are watching, because the kids are.

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Speaker 4: Watchings, don't watching, but the kids should be watching, but I'm watching.

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Speaker 1: I love how they do that now, where like adults can enjoy, the kids have no idea what they're laughing.

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Speaker 2: No, for real, the kids have no idea. But I'm like, I ate this for everybody.

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Speaker 3: It's so cute. It's so cute.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen it inside out? Yes, yeah, I'm like, this is kind of deep because in the.

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Speaker 1: Club, No, seriously, it is. It even quoted that movie in a recent interviewed Wow.

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Speaker 3: Like sir, but yeah, I love it. What's your favorite movie?

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Speaker 1: I'm curious The Devilware is Proud of.

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Speaker 2: World.

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Speaker 1: I can watch that movie any day if I'm sad, I can watch it and quote it work where. I love that movie.

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Speaker 3: My God a part too. Hello, you want to be in that? I do it? Come on buck her please, that's iconic.

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Speaker 1: It's such a I love Meryl Street like mys It's just a beautiful movie. Yeah, fire, yes, And you love cartoons. Is there any like cartoon that you would love to play like you look, it's given Disney Princess, like.

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Speaker 3: I felt that.

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Speaker 2: I felt that on the horizon. I mean, of course I would play a.

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Speaker 3: Disney Princess.

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Speaker 2: To be able to show my future daughter that one day and be likest iconic.

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Speaker 3: I would love.

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Speaker 2: To do like a like a Pixar like those Timeless for real or.

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Speaker 3: Something like like like Shrek or something. Please.

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Speaker 2: I want to be like I want to put on my funny goofy boys and be like a literal like Rabbit or like something random and.

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Speaker 3: Cute, but like have an attitude. Oh my god, Oh my god, that.

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Speaker 1: So bad happened. I can already see that. I love it. So you're grown, you're running your businesses m. I love talking about financial literacy. And you said your mom taught you a lot of things. What are some things that you can give young women who are also like growing up and we have so many arentspreneurs now at a very young age. What is something are some tips that you could give them to say, hey, these things need to watch out for financially.

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Speaker 3: Watch out for.

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Speaker 2: I mean, everybody knows the ends versus the outs of what you're of, what you're making versus what you're spending. I don't wanna say anything like to obvious, but I do think one of the biggest things that I knew is I would hold onto money so tight cause I would be so scared that I've already I don't want to lose this, Yes, literally, And my mom was like, if your hands are tight, nothing can go out, but nothing can go in there either, you know. Yeah, So having that type of mindset, I do also believe that giving away increases your storehouse. Come on, come on, but I do I see that in my own life, like I'll be the I'll give things away now that I'm like, it'll come back to me. And it does like different ways, in different ways. And lastly, invest in yourself. I really do feel like there there's a noticeable increase in my brand and in me when I invest in hair, makeup, glam acting, classes of fitness, instructor food better food, Like I see the payoff, you know, instead of cutting corners somewhere or instead of sometimes being in my mind like I'll buy that later when I deserve that later, you know, like investing in yourself, investing in your happiness, investing in like you know, filling up your cup gold places, don't just wait to travel like you know what I'm saying, Like that all increases.

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Speaker 3: Who you are, which increases your brand, you know, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No it does. Speaking of brands, what are some things that Coco wants to get into outside of what we've already seen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I feel like I think to myself, like what stuff do I really like or what do I really feel like I need? And I think one and I always be like looking for is pants that are long enough because you are tall? Honey, Yes, I am a giraffe, and I'm like, Okay, not too much on it.

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Speaker 3: Don't y'all.

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Speaker 2: Don't even make them. Don't make them, don't make them. I see that for myself.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: And I love chaps the girl I hate when my lift of chaps, I really do.

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Speaker 1: That's the first thing I tell many bares.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Chappy, No, for real, I can't. I can't. When I'm staring at my your.

00:21:24
Speaker 2: Are you parched?

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Speaker 3: I can't. I can't. I don't like to.

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Speaker 4: I like to feel it so I can see myself doing something like that? Is yourself in this area?

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is so. I'm the artists where I love music. So I would love to talk to you about your creative process. You said you speak from your real life experiences, and we feel it. We can feel you can I feel like I think me and Big West are talking about this about how people can write songs for you and then artist gets in the booth and they have a hard time singing it because they can't really relate to it, but we feel it. So what is your creative process when you're starting to create music or is there like a thought and you just cause someone like, hey, we got to get in the booth so we can do this well.

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Speaker 2: I like to have like a concept in mind, but I'm very very hands on.

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Speaker 3: Dare I say picky?

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Speaker 2: I don't really live for that, but I'm trying to be specific because I feel like eventually I want them to be like, oh, that's a Coco song. Oh like if you hear that, that's Coco. But that comes with me being involved in every part of it. So I mean, we girl. Sometimes I start from the beat. I'm like, from scratch, there's no there's no silence, and like we just go with what tempo? What are you even feeling? Tempo wise? I want to be like here, okay, cool. So then it's like, all right, where are we starting to write with a piano? We're starting to write with a guitar? Do I have an idea and we're writing to that. We're building around this idea. So my process is kind of all over the place, but the overall theme is nothing and gets added if I don't feel.

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Speaker 3: If it doesn't feel right to me, you know, because I.

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Speaker 2: Gotta sell it, yep, and I want it to be so authentically me that it doesn't compare to anybody else's products.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't know you're doing it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, yo, do it that you are chack. At least take a long fame obsession. Just me eight eight how was I'll be sick?

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Speaker 1: Listen. I love the live performances. Yeah, it's that studio process that is drainy, girl.

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Speaker 2: And then you'd be like, by the end, you didn't heard so many times You're like, is this even good?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: What the hell? Yes?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: But seriously, I'm such a like weirdo. After after I make music, I like cannot like I don't. I don't know, girl, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Like my family will be like, we don't hear anything you make. I'm like, oh my god, I can't. I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just feel so uncomfortable, Like I'll send it to my manager and I'll be like, don't say anything, don't say anything, but how do you what do you think? Like, give me all your constructive criticism, but does anything girl?

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Speaker 3: I cannot. I cannot.

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Speaker 1: A lot of actors are like that they can't watch their work like ye, but for me, it's like watching film so I can see yeah. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I should have taken longer beat there. I should have did something different there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel that too.

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Speaker 2: I like to study my own performances that I like to watch those like okay, okay, you could have done it better than spacing was off there. I'll watch my acting too, if I'm not searching for it, but if it comes around, like socials will be like, let me see.

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Speaker 3: How she did? She ate?

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Speaker 2: She ate it?

00:24:28
Speaker 3: Literally just a crumb. I like that for her.

00:24:33
Speaker 1: I love you, I love her. It's a crumb. I love that. Speaking of performances, you just did the Usher tribute at the met Awards this year. Phenomenal. The way you crawl up on that stage. I said, only a tall girl could do that because I'd have been like so gracefully, thank you.

00:24:53
Speaker 2: That's so sweet because literally in my mind I felt like I was like, no, you look it was good. That is hilarious, thank you. That is so funny. Yeah, I love that. I think that was such a really dope opportunity to show all the R and B girls in different ways that we all shine and uplift Usher, who was of course iconic. I really loved that that concept in general. But yes, girl, so when I was walking down, like you know, I'm trying to get sex and me, I'm trying to give that, but like it's a literal ramp. So I had these heels on and I was like, I felt like Shrek up, but I.

00:25:33
Speaker 3: Was really trying to give sex.

00:25:35
Speaker 2: So and so literally when I watched, nobody.

00:25:40
Speaker 1: Knows what's going on in my head but I can't.

00:25:42
Speaker 3: I'm just literally like because I know what's going on. Oh my god. It was so hilarious. But thank you. It was so much for thinking it was grateful.

00:25:51
Speaker 1: It was so good because I was like, I would have looked crazy girl stage no.

00:25:57
Speaker 3: Literally, so my mom was also.

00:25:59
Speaker 2: My mom was also watching it intensely and she she's like me, so we know all the things, like she taught me a lot about performing. My mom was like, okay, she knows she's a girl. She did not she did not cut anything dry. She would tell me exactly boring. Didn't believe you do it better?

00:26:17
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

00:26:17
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that like that, yes, so girl, she was watching it and she was like, was that a slant coming down? Because she looked at all the details just like me, Because I'll be like, what did you think?

00:26:29
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, she gonna give it give me the real I was a girl.

00:26:32
Speaker 2: Yes, and she was like, how did you do that? Like they'll never know, they'll never know, but.

00:26:39
Speaker 3: It was amazing.

00:26:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the performer in you. We definitely the show must go on.

00:26:46
Speaker 2: As I climbed down Mount Everest towards the Usher, that.

00:26:52
Speaker 1: Was I love Usher. He's also from Tennessee.

00:26:55
Speaker 3: Is he thought he was from Atlanta?

00:26:57
Speaker 1: No? He was born in what Yeah? Chat down?

00:27:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, I did not know that. I had no idea.

00:27:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I got.

00:27:05
Speaker 3: A great period.

00:27:06
Speaker 1: When is your birthday?

00:27:07
Speaker 3: January fourth?

00:27:07
Speaker 1: Okay? Because he's a leader too, so if you were leave ibout to say, oh no, that would be crazy. When it was October eighteenth.

00:27:15
Speaker 3: Yes, I love that.

00:27:18
Speaker 1: Yes, that's awesome. That's I thought that was so dope, especially with all the women doing it.

00:27:22
Speaker 3: That was no, thank you so much.

00:27:24
Speaker 1: Yes, you're welcome to Yeah. You talked about therapy, and I know in this industry it can have such a strain on our mental At what point are can you pinpoint some things that you were like, you know, I need to talk to somebody because you've been doing this for a very long time and it's also a lot of pressure from a childhood. After being famous all these years and we've seen it happen, you've maintained and done so well for yourself. You Yeah, no serious, I'm proud of you for that. When was the point where You're like, I need to talk to somebody.

00:27:57
Speaker 2: Well, I was in this situation ship and I just hated it there.

00:28:04
Speaker 3: But I was like, you know what, maybe this is just how life is. You don't get what you want, you know. It was just like kind of bitter.

00:28:13
Speaker 2: And I remember that the guy was talking to me about this therapist that he was seeing, and I was like, who you letting tell you about yourself? I was like, I want to talk to her, and so I talked to her, and I just felt so.

00:28:31
Speaker 3: Challenged, Like my thoughts, the thoughts.

00:28:33
Speaker 2: That I had about myself for years, like the baggage that I carried for years, the things that I've done my whole life. I felt challenged to question where that came from, where that was rooted in?

00:28:45
Speaker 3: Is that even my truth? You know?

00:28:47
Speaker 2: And I just felt like it made me. It just expanded my mind so much that I was like, oh my god, this is crucial, This is crucial. And now literally all my family has their own like therapy because they saw the growth in me. Yeah, because you just really never know what you're holding on to, what stories you've told yourself so much that.

00:29:07
Speaker 3: They are literally they're your world.

00:29:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know and you believe them. Yes, yeah, that is so true. Our mind is so powerful. Yes, there are things that we can literally forget that happened until you start talking to someone. Yes, you're like, wait, what I lived through that? Yes, it happened, and I've been holding on to this girl.

00:29:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really crazy. But yeah, I'm a huge advocate of therapy.

00:29:27
Speaker 2: I just feel like, before you go and get your your eyelash extensions and your nails, girl, is you are you well?

00:29:33
Speaker 1: Are you? Yeah?

00:29:34
Speaker 3: Before you look sickening? Are you healthy? True?

00:29:38
Speaker 1: That is so true. That's good you talk about we've all been in situationships. How is it dating as Coco Jones? Like you are this big figure now, Like I know for me, like I find it hard to like I always want to keep everything private and oky and like protect that and like we're not hiding. But if you see it, you see it's but I'm not gonna put it after How is that for you?

00:29:59
Speaker 3: In this time, I agree with that.

00:30:01
Speaker 2: I think, honestly the same core elements that all my girls go through. I have girls that are in the industry, I have girls who are are not, And everybody wants to be fully understood and feel safe in their decisions. Like it's the it's the uncertainty for me, you know, I can't do that in my job and in my career and in my relationship.

00:30:20
Speaker 3: I need it to be certain.

00:30:22
Speaker 2: So I think the only difference is I have a different world of people around me. So maybe it's somebody that I also know.

00:30:32
Speaker 3: Maybe it's somebody.

00:30:32
Speaker 2: Who has a brand, you know, But really it's just about finding somebody who you can be off with.

00:30:38
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to be on. I want to take these lasses like this make up, put my scarf on in my body and be just the same. Exactly.

00:30:51
Speaker 3: No, it's real, It's definitely real.

00:30:53
Speaker 2: But I look at I've told my girls, I'm like, y'all not outside enough. Because I also I also feel like if you want a relationship, if you want those things, you gotta work on yourself, and you gotta work for red.

00:31:03
Speaker 3: Hell, get outside the mail man, get out your house.

00:31:06
Speaker 1: They sit fun of me because I would not leave the house and who can meet your door? Dash eat Hello? I was like, well, I do long you go to the door for him?

00:31:13
Speaker 3: So no, I'm serious, I'm serious.

00:31:17
Speaker 2: I do feel like a lot of it is like God will help you, but you also need to help yourself.

00:31:23
Speaker 3: You know. It's I don't really agree with like.

00:31:25
Speaker 2: The it'll all happen when I don't know, it's real, it's real life.

00:31:31
Speaker 3: It is.

00:31:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. That's good because yeah, I wasn't leaving the house and my friends like, you need to put yourself in positions and in places to meet the type of man you want exact, because then you have to look at like, well I keep meeting all these type of guys. But where are you going?

00:31:45
Speaker 3: Girl? You at the club exactly? Not saying good comes up the club?

00:31:49
Speaker 1: Well, one thing I did. I met somebody in the club.

00:31:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, something good comes to the club, I said, while don't.

00:32:00
Speaker 1: Stop going to this So funny because that was the both of our initial thoughts were like yeah, like they don't how to take yeah, And his mom was like he said, he said his mom to tell him like whatever you meet in the club, leave it there.

00:32:13
Speaker 3: Oh my good.

00:32:14
Speaker 1: I was like my next one. I woke and I was like, oh, he doesn't think because of where he met me that that's how I am. And he like he said, he said, I thought the same thing he said, But then I talked to you one time and I was like, no, she's different, and then you got to know me, and he was like, Okay, yeah, she's she's real.

00:32:30
Speaker 3: I was.

00:32:30
Speaker 1: I it was during the Olympics. I was out having fun. Like if you're not in the club during the Olympics, like, what.

00:32:34
Speaker 3: Are you doing? It's literally trying to celebrate. That is so cool. I love that.

00:32:39
Speaker 1: So that's the one that one.

00:32:40
Speaker 3: There are exceptions.

00:32:42
Speaker 1: I actually had another friend who met her husband in the club.

00:32:44
Speaker 3: Girl, you don't have everybody going to the club going to the club.

00:32:46
Speaker 1: Love the club, that's what.

00:32:49
Speaker 3: Facts.

00:32:52
Speaker 1: But put yourself like in spaces where you want to be. For sure, absolutely, I love it, Coco, Is there anything you have coming up that we need to know on the horizon?

00:33:03
Speaker 3: Well, my debut album will be out at the top of the year. I'm going to go on tour this summer.

00:33:06
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm coming to see you on tour. I cannot wait.

00:33:10
Speaker 3: I love to put on a good show.

00:33:11
Speaker 1: I love you do put on a good show. I can't wait. I'm yes such Oh my gosh, just enjoying the light.

00:33:18
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you too, can be enjoying talking to you.

00:33:22
Speaker 1: Coco Jones, everybody. My conversation with Coco was so much fun, and one of the things that she said that really stuck with me was being authentically her. She said that when she was doing music, a lot of times her voice did not match what she was singing, but she was really going through those things. When those two came together and she was authentically Coco, that's when it all came together. So that was my main takeaway. Thank you all so much for spending time with me today. Coco Jones came through with all the love, laughs, positivity. It was so needed. You guys can follow me on all platforms at Love Christo Renee, and you can also follow our show at Keep It Positive. Sweetie. If you'll running right into our positive Outcomes listener letter, you can send us an email at Keepitpositive Sweetye at gmail dot com. In the meantime in between time you know what to do. Keep it Positive, Sweetie. I'll see you guys next time.