Pumpkins, Squash, and Gourds | Fall Favorites Explained

<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from Studio A. Here at proven winners Color Choice Shrubs.
<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy, Hervella me,
<v Speaker 1>Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, pumpkins, squash,
<v Speaker 1>and gourds are members of the enormously diverse cucurbit family,
<v Speaker 1>and they've been providing mankind with food and utilitarian objects
<v Speaker 1>since well before recorded history and today Stacy, as Bonnie
<v Speaker 1>Raitt would sing, Let's give him pumpkin to talk about.
<v Speaker 1>This is a fun topic, especially this time of the year,
<v Speaker 1>and names differ throughout the world, but in the United States,
<v Speaker 1>any round orange squash used for pies or jack O'Lanterns
<v Speaker 1>is likely to be called a pumpkin. But is the
<v Speaker 1>term pumpkin really botanically correct or are they actually squash?
<v Speaker 1>And of course squash are divided into two categories, tender
<v Speaker 1>and hard skinned or winter squash. So what I thought
<v Speaker 1>I'd do, Stacy, is I thought I would ask Ai
<v Speaker 1>that question didn't help me at all. What they had
<v Speaker 1>to say on the subject was this, A pumpkin is
<v Speaker 1>botanically a type of squash which is in the same
<v Speaker 1>family as gords. While squash are generally grown for eating
<v Speaker 1>and gords for decoration, the term pumpkin often refers to
<v Speaker 1>ornamental but edible winter squash varieties. So a pumpkin is
<v Speaker 1>a squash, which is a type of gourd. But not
<v Speaker 1>all gords are pumpkins, and not all squash are pumpkins.
<v Speaker 2>What all pumpkins are squash but not all squash or pumpkins?
<v Speaker 1>I'm confused.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, no, well that was not a great answer. May
<v Speaker 2>I may not be as smart as it. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it was okay, it was okay. I think, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I think back in the day, the definition would for
<v Speaker 2>the average American been pretty clear. Pumpkins are the round
<v Speaker 2>of orange things, and then gords are those things, those weird,
<v Speaker 2>clubby wardy looking things. But you know, thanks to certain
<v Speaker 2>people like Martha Stewart popularizing the enormous diversity in the pumpkin,
<v Speaker 2>squash and gourd tribe of the Kerkuba tasti or cucic
<v Speaker 2>circubit family, the lines are a lot blurrier because there
<v Speaker 2>are certainly squashes that have many of those same categories
<v Speaker 2>as a gourd, but are not only edible but actually delicious.
<v Speaker 2>And they're now being sold only for decorative purposes, and
<v Speaker 2>people are missing out on a great opportunity to eat
<v Speaker 2>a really tasty thing.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, let's lay this pumpkin to roast here. Okay, So
<v Speaker 1>for me, I immediately go to butternut squash. I love
<v Speaker 1>butternut squash. I love butternut soup. I love playing with
<v Speaker 1>the immersion blender in the pot because that's just fun
<v Speaker 1>for me, it's therapeutic. But boy, oh boy, is that
<v Speaker 1>delicious to me? Butternut squash is fall in a bowl.
<v Speaker 2>It's yes, it's a classic choice. I would say. You know,
<v Speaker 2>I'm honestly not a huge fan of winter squash for
<v Speaker 2>the most part. For the most part, there's some exceptions.
<v Speaker 2>I do like some of the more dense, flavorful varieties,
<v Speaker 2>and I also don't like recipes that play up the
<v Speaker 2>sweetness too much, and most of the recipes make them
<v Speaker 2>sweeter than they need to be. So like I'm thinking
<v Speaker 2>more of like the sage and brown butter squash type
<v Speaker 2>of thing. But you know, the thing about butternut squash
<v Speaker 2>can't carve. It can't make a jack lantern out of
<v Speaker 2>a butternut squash, because it's all solid, you won't have
<v Speaker 2>anything hollow in there to put the light in.
<v Speaker 1>So throughout the ages, squash, gourds, pumpkins used for food,
<v Speaker 1>used for utilitarian reasons, bulls and ornamentation, fastening, eating kind
<v Speaker 1>of thing, and of course, well I personally believe squash
<v Speaker 1>makes a smashing good dinner. But I did find in England, Stacey,
<v Speaker 1>to try to reduce food waste, there are a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people who get out the knitting needles and make pumpkins,
<v Speaker 1>handmade pumpkins. I've got a link from the BBC that
<v Speaker 1>will share on our website. I thought that that was
<v Speaker 1>really that's fun.
<v Speaker 2>I'll make one for you know, Halloween is still some
<v Speaker 2>about a month away, so we'll have time to have
<v Speaker 2>a hand knit pumpkin in the studio.
<v Speaker 1>I love it.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, there's something to be said about reducing
<v Speaker 2>food waste because, like I've said, a lot of these
<v Speaker 2>really popular and expensive, you know, decorative items that are
<v Speaker 2>sold in stores. Now, you know, the white ones and
<v Speaker 2>the green ones and the silvery kind of grayish ones
<v Speaker 2>are all edible, but you definitely do not want to
<v Speaker 2>be eating any gords. Those are toxic. Gords can be
<v Speaker 2>very toxic. They have a strong bitter flavor. But if
<v Speaker 2>you are wondering, I was thinking of, like, how can
<v Speaker 2>we help our listeners understand if the beautiful squash type
<v Speaker 2>thing that they purchased is edible or not. Here's my advice.
<v Speaker 2>Go to a good, reputable seed company like Johnny's Selected Seeds.
<v Speaker 2>That's one of my favorites, Pine Tree Garden Seeds. I
<v Speaker 2>order from them a lot and look at their selection
<v Speaker 2>of pumpkins that they carry, and if it is listed
<v Speaker 2>is edible, then you will know that that is edible.
<v Speaker 2>Because again, you know, there's these really like crazy wordy
<v Speaker 2>pumpkins that are choice foods in Europe, but in America,
<v Speaker 2>since they're merchandised with plants that are less you know,
<v Speaker 2>with pumpkins and squashes that are looking less edible, we
<v Speaker 2>tend to just throw them away. Another cool thing that's
<v Speaker 2>happened in recent years is farmers and zoos and so
<v Speaker 2>forth asking for the pumpkins at the end of the
<v Speaker 2>season for their animals. So we've even done a little
<v Speaker 2>bit to reduce food waste while also keeping a lot
<v Speaker 2>of those autumn vibes alive.
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Yeah, the last thing you want to
<v Speaker 1>do is get caught off off off gourd. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know you don't have to worry too
<v Speaker 2>too much about eating a toxic gourd, because, as with
<v Speaker 2>many toxic plants, it will taste perfectly ghastly exactly, and
<v Speaker 2>you will not continue to eat it unless you are
<v Speaker 2>some kind of masochist. But yeah, I mean, you obviously
<v Speaker 2>are going to want anything to be cooked. And I
<v Speaker 2>think when you cut them open, if you can kind
<v Speaker 2>of up, skirts are often really hard to cut. You know,
<v Speaker 2>you can't get into them at all. If you can
<v Speaker 2>cut it open, good chance it's a pumpkin. And if
<v Speaker 2>it's not like all gross and piffy inside, also a
<v Speaker 2>good chance it's an edible pumpkin.
<v Speaker 1>And you're right, Stacey. So many different types of pumpkins
<v Speaker 1>today for decoration purposes, not just for food purposes. I
<v Speaker 1>took a look everything from wardy goblin pumpkins to cream
<v Speaker 1>cheese and ghost white pumpkins. Atlantic Giant of course, Big
<v Speaker 1>Max Howden Field is the industry standard for decades, Sugar
<v Speaker 1>Connecticut Field, sweetye Pie, baby Bear Harvest mood. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it goes on and on and on, and they're fun
<v Speaker 1>to decorate with. But to grow them in your own yard,
<v Speaker 1>of course, you're gonna be dealing with things like squash,
<v Speaker 1>vine borer, cucumber beetle aphids, cutworms, stink bugs, downy mildew,
<v Speaker 1>powdery mildew, and another issue that you're gonna have to
<v Speaker 1>wrestle with space, lots and lots of space. It requires
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them.
<v Speaker 2>That's the main reason I haven't grown them, because you know,
<v Speaker 2>every year when I get those seed catalogs and I'm
<v Speaker 2>looking at the I'm like, ooh, that is cool. I
<v Speaker 2>want one of those. And then I'm like, I just
<v Speaker 2>don't have their mon If they weren't deer, if they
<v Speaker 2>were deer resistant, I would be in a lot better shape.
<v Speaker 2>But since they're not, and I have to grow them
<v Speaker 2>in my already somewhat limited vegetable garden, I don't. The
<v Speaker 2>other thing is, not only are these huge, huge plants,
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of them. The bigger the fruit that
<v Speaker 2>they produce, the fewer fruits they're going to produce. So
<v Speaker 2>then you are devoting you a good ten to fifteen
<v Speaker 2>square feet of your yard to getting you know, maybe
<v Speaker 2>three bumpkins.
<v Speaker 1>I have the solution for you, and I was hoping
<v Speaker 1>to get one of these, but they're pretty expensive. Now
<v Speaker 1>you'll see people growing cu curbets on trellises and arbors,
<v Speaker 1>but you need something that's really got some gravitas because
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a lot of weight. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>they're aggressive, and I've seen people using everything from burr
<v Speaker 1>lap to underwear to create a little hammock to hold
<v Speaker 1>these gourds aloft as they grow them. But my solution
<v Speaker 1>is a moongate. A moongate, and I want a moongate
<v Speaker 1>for my landscape in the worst way. They're really expensive,
<v Speaker 1>but it's an architectural element in traditional Chinese gardens. Its
<v Speaker 1>circular shape basically a double circle that is really solid
<v Speaker 1>and able to hold these up. So I'm hoping that
<v Speaker 1>I can get myself a moongate.
<v Speaker 2>That sounds lovely, So we'll talk about more.
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about this more during segment four. Let me
<v Speaker 1>end this segment with a limb a rick because this
<v Speaker 1>past year we all learned during the drought that pumpkins
<v Speaker 1>are basically ninety to ninety two percent water. They are water,
<v Speaker 1>so is squash. So I'm giving you a dry pumpkin
<v Speaker 1>limbo rick because it's been so dry around here lately
<v Speaker 1>with my garden, I've had interventions, but lack of water
<v Speaker 1>has caused considerable tensions. While the vines did sprawl, the
<v Speaker 1>pumpkins are small. Despite my good intent, I was counting
<v Speaker 1>on a sizeable batch pumpkins from the vines. Two detach.
<v Speaker 1>It's all kind of scary. I'll fix it and be
<v Speaker 1>wary by applying a pumpkin patch. Aw that's cute, as
<v Speaker 1>they say in the Pumpkin Business. Roll with it. Baby
<v Speaker 1>plants on trial is next. Let's see how Stacey ties
<v Speaker 1>this in here on the Gardening Simplified.
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<v Speaker 2>orange shirt. For today's Pumpkin and squash and gord theme.
<v Speaker 2>Adiroann has got a green shirt on, kind of like
<v Speaker 2>those nice green ones and you've got your black to
<v Speaker 2>give us the whole Halloween kind of vibe here. But
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously it's way too late to talk about
<v Speaker 2>growing gords or pumpkins or squash for this year. But
<v Speaker 2>I think it's good for people to think about, you know,
<v Speaker 2>as they buy them and decorate with them and enjoy
<v Speaker 2>them in their homes. You know, it's kind of like
<v Speaker 2>we get detached from where these plants come from. And
<v Speaker 2>I would also say that if you love a certain
<v Speaker 2>squash or gord or pumpkin that you have purchased and
<v Speaker 2>the end of the season starts approaching, why not save
<v Speaker 2>the seeds. You know, you can almost certainly be able
<v Speaker 2>to save the seeds and grow them yourself the following
<v Speaker 2>year if you have the space, because as we just said,
<v Speaker 2>they are definitely not one for those of us with
<v Speaker 2>limited space, because they will take up quite a lot
<v Speaker 2>of them where you can grow them onnitrellis or a
<v Speaker 2>moon gate like you said, but you know, they definitely
<v Speaker 2>need a lot of space and a lot of patients
<v Speaker 2>because also are a long season.
<v Speaker 1>And part of the reason there are so many colorful
<v Speaker 1>gords out there is they're easy to cross pollinate, and
<v Speaker 1>so I think that's why through the years so many
<v Speaker 1>different types of gords have developed in gourds that we
<v Speaker 1>can enjoy in our landscapes.
<v Speaker 2>It's fun to grow, Yeah, it's fun to grow, and
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, if you have one that you love and
<v Speaker 2>you really want to make sure you get your money
<v Speaker 2>out of it, because a lot of those gourds are
<v Speaker 2>not cheap. Dig on in there, save those seeds, dry
<v Speaker 2>them out, and plant them in the garden next year,
<v Speaker 2>and then you can just keep doing it. It preserves
<v Speaker 2>your investment. But of course that is not today's Plants
<v Speaker 2>on Trial, and there is in fact no plants in
<v Speaker 2>the kerkubit Tasy family that encompasses the squashes and gourds
<v Speaker 2>and cucumbers and all of that kind of stuff. That
<v Speaker 2>there's no woody plants in that family. And so of
<v Speaker 2>course there is no woody plants. So we don't have
<v Speaker 2>any kerkubatasi here and the proven Winter's color choice line.
<v Speaker 2>But what we do have is autumn vibe plants. And
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking as I was preparing for today's show,
<v Speaker 2>you know, this is a vibe autumn, not an actual autumn.
<v Speaker 2>Because we had like a little bit of cool weather
<v Speaker 2>that made you go, oh yeah, this is Fall's common,
<v Speaker 2>this is great. And now it's like summer is here.
<v Speaker 2>It's not letting up. Even the nights are super warm
<v Speaker 2>and humid, so it feels like we're back in August
<v Speaker 2>instead of heading into October. So if you want fall vibes,
<v Speaker 2>you got to make them yourself. There's just no other
<v Speaker 2>way around it. This year you're probably be wearing shorts
<v Speaker 2>instead of a sweater, but you have to make your
<v Speaker 2>own fall vibes. So the plant today's plant on trial
<v Speaker 2>is a fall vibes plant, not an actual pumpkin or
<v Speaker 2>anything like that. Now, you know, it's interesting. I feel like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've talked about it in previous years, that
<v Speaker 2>fall is kind of like a second spring where everything
<v Speaker 2>kind of gets this fresh lease on life. Colors get brighter,
<v Speaker 2>things flower like roses, and you know what I have
<v Speaker 2>to say, overall, I'm not seeing that as much as
<v Speaker 2>I have in previous years. Yeah, because I think between
<v Speaker 2>how dry we've been and how warm and sunny it
<v Speaker 2>has remained, I'm not really getting that like really great refreshment.
<v Speaker 2>Except for a couple of things in my yard that
<v Speaker 2>are looking great. I will have to say my Almino
<v Speaker 2>is doing amazingly well. That seems to have brighter colors,
<v Speaker 2>more fragrance, lots of flowers on there. My autumn joy
<v Speaker 2>seed not a plant I particularly love, but I had
<v Speaker 2>some small ones that I planted and they are looking
<v Speaker 2>absolutely beautiful right now. And Carryopteriss sure Carryoptress really comes
<v Speaker 2>into its own right now. We have beyond Midnight Carryoptress,
<v Speaker 2>which is a great plant, and then beautiful blue flowers
<v Speaker 2>to go with the orange. I have New England Asters
<v Speaker 2>just starting to bloom. I actually just started blooming within
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of days. That is a late bloomer.
<v Speaker 1>Nice, it is a late bloomer, but beautiful, beautiful, Love it.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think astors get the press they should,
<v Speaker 1>But it's because mums suck all the oxygen out of
<v Speaker 1>the room.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, I think that the New England Asters, a
<v Speaker 2>symphotrichomes definitely deserve at least as much attention as the mums,
<v Speaker 2>if not for their amazing color, because they're just this
<v Speaker 2>beautiful kind of purply blue color. I have to say
<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of plants in my garden, hundreds
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not sure there's really anything that attracts a
<v Speaker 2>bigger diversity of pollinators in my garden except for the
<v Speaker 2>New England Asters, and that's just getting started. But none
<v Speaker 2>of those are the plants on trial. No, No, today's
<v Speaker 2>plan on trial again. It's about the vibes. It is
<v Speaker 2>kodiac spiced durvilla.
<v Speaker 1>Now I love this and I'm looking forward to hearing
<v Speaker 1>about this because in my landscape, I've had people stop
<v Speaker 1>by and in the last week or two each has
<v Speaker 1>pointed out the Kodiak orange dear villa and how beautiful
<v Speaker 1>it's getting. And it is. It's gorgeous in fault. But
<v Speaker 1>Kodiak spiced.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, this one is going to be new in garden
<v Speaker 2>centers in this coming spring in twenty twenty six. But
<v Speaker 2>of course we do have a pretty robust line of
<v Speaker 2>kodiak or villa's already a Kodiak orange. Like you said,
<v Speaker 2>we got Kodiak red and Deurvillas are a plant, a shrub.
<v Speaker 2>They're native to North America. There you can find them
<v Speaker 2>throughout Michigan and most of the eastern half of the
<v Speaker 2>United States. And you know, to me, they are just
<v Speaker 2>one of those plants that's just a little workhorse, right.
<v Speaker 2>They don't attract a ton of attention. You're not like, whoa,
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, what is that. But they're always doing
<v Speaker 2>what they're supposed to do without really any fussing. You know.
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting. My son in law stopped by the other
<v Speaker 1>day and he's sitting on the deck and he pointed
<v Speaker 1>at them, and he said, I never noticed those before,
<v Speaker 1>but those are gorgeous.
<v Speaker 2>Because they're getting fall color right now.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's just there's such a workhorse in
<v Speaker 1>the landscape, but when you get into fall, people take
<v Speaker 1>notice definitely.
<v Speaker 2>And so Kodiak spice earns its name because it's got
<v Speaker 2>all of those spicy vibes that we get right now,
<v Speaker 2>the pumpkin spice, the pumpkin pie. So it has kind
<v Speaker 2>of that warm orange, dark orange, cozy kind of color,
<v Speaker 2>particularly in the new growth. As the new growth starts
<v Speaker 2>to mature through the growing season, it turns kind of
<v Speaker 2>a really nice chartruse, but it continues to get those
<v Speaker 2>warm tones in the new growth. And then of course, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>all of the darvilla have great fall color, whether they
<v Speaker 2>actually change color or it's just a matter of them
<v Speaker 2>kind of keeping the color that they have, but changing
<v Speaker 2>sort of the vibrancy of it. It just gets a
<v Speaker 2>lot brighter.
<v Speaker 1>It's like butternut squash soup for the eyes.
<v Speaker 2>That's a very good way to put it. Feels I
<v Speaker 2>like that it's a little too long for a plant name,
<v Speaker 2>but it is a good one. So they do get flowers.
<v Speaker 2>They're going to be flowering, you know, mostly in July
<v Speaker 2>and August. They get small yellow flowers that native bumblebees
<v Speaker 2>just absolutely love. So that's a good thing because those
<v Speaker 2>are our native bees, not the honey bees, and it's
<v Speaker 2>our native bees that really need our help and support.
<v Speaker 2>So this is a great choice. And it's just kind
<v Speaker 2>of like a nice rounded, three to four foot tall
<v Speaker 2>and wide orange, warm spice kind of plant. So whether
<v Speaker 2>you want to put something like a low hedge, if
<v Speaker 2>you're just looking for a foundation planting, if you're looking
<v Speaker 2>for something to add to a perennial or flower garden,
<v Speaker 2>this plant can do it. It can be trimmed. You
<v Speaker 2>cannot trim it. There's really like kind of no wrong answers.
<v Speaker 2>I feel like when it comes to durvilla.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I started growing them in my landscape a few
<v Speaker 1>years ago. Because I was told how great they are,
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, well, we'll see they've lived up
<v Speaker 1>to their billing.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you're I'm read. I'm glad to hear that
<v Speaker 2>now they are. They have a good heartiness range, hardy
<v Speaker 2>down to USDA Zone three, heat tolerant through about USDA
<v Speaker 2>Zone eight, So that definitely covers a lot of our
<v Speaker 2>listenership out there. As for deer resistance, I would give
<v Speaker 2>them a B minus. I think about a B minus,
<v Speaker 2>which is to say they're not going to cause major damage.
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to leave you with sad nubs. But
<v Speaker 2>I have found that they do like to eat, especially
<v Speaker 2>the tips the new growth in spring, especially like very
<v Speaker 2>early in the season when food is really scarce and
<v Speaker 2>they're really really hungry. I usually find that by the
<v Speaker 2>time summer rolls around, they're not really eating enough to
<v Speaker 2>interfere with a flowering at all. So it's something that
<v Speaker 2>they'll eat, but they won't severely damage. And a lot
<v Speaker 2>of times when you're looking for deer resistant plants, it's
<v Speaker 2>that Okay, it might be damaged, but is it going
<v Speaker 2>to be severely damaged? Is it actually going to cause
<v Speaker 2>a hole or a liability in my lane landscape because
<v Speaker 2>the deer ate it so badly. So kind of medium,
<v Speaker 2>not the most resistant, but definitely not one that's their
<v Speaker 2>favorite where they're really going to cause a ton of damage.
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, good flowering.
<v Speaker 1>And in the garden center, Stacey, when I talk to folks,
<v Speaker 1>I tell them, if you want a plant that's a
<v Speaker 1>native plant that really attracts pollinators, because that's been my experience.
<v Speaker 1>You know, you mentioned that, but I just want to
<v Speaker 1>support that and say the pollinators are all over that
<v Speaker 1>plant in summer when it's blooming.
<v Speaker 2>They are, Yeah, they really really like it. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>the flowers are just kind of a nice little bonus there.
<v Speaker 2>The foliage under Villa two is really clean, and I
<v Speaker 2>don't just mean that it is disease resistant. It is,
<v Speaker 2>but there's something about the very tidy way that the
<v Speaker 2>leaves are born on the stems that's just appealing. So
<v Speaker 2>this isn't one of those plants where your neighbors are
<v Speaker 2>going to be, you know, running over to ask you,
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, what is that? Except for possibly in
<v Speaker 2>the thall for those autumn vibes. But it's just a
<v Speaker 2>good workhorse plant for any kind of basic landscaping that
<v Speaker 2>you need to do, and I feel like so often
<v Speaker 2>people are turning to other basics, you know, like barberry
<v Speaker 2>or burning bush or something like that, where in many,
<v Speaker 2>many cases, Durvilla is going to be a much more
<v Speaker 2>environmentally friendly and a more visually interesting choice. So if
<v Speaker 2>you're thinking about doing some landscaping or adding some new
<v Speaker 2>plants and you want some great vibes all season, but
<v Speaker 2>especially in the fall, consider Kodiak Spiced Durvilla. It will
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<v Speaker 2>to write us and we will do what we can
<v Speaker 2>to help you. And you know, I feel like gardening
<v Speaker 2>questions kind of have like two like they have like
<v Speaker 2>three seasons. Right Spring, Oh my gosh, everything like what happened?
<v Speaker 2>Is should this be leaving out yet? What's going on? Summer?
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, everything's dying? It has leaf spot, you know,
<v Speaker 2>freaking out about that. Come fall. It's you know, more
<v Speaker 2>like what should I do going into winter.
<v Speaker 1>It's a good way of looking at it. I like that,
<v Speaker 1>you know. For me spring, I've learned with people who
<v Speaker 1>put a plant in the ground if it survives winter,
<v Speaker 1>it's almost going like going to a fast food restaurant
<v Speaker 1>and placing an order for some fries and you get
<v Speaker 1>that bonus onion ring in the package. Right, it's coming up,
<v Speaker 1>It's coming back. So yeah, yeah, right, those three different seasons.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, It's just that's how my mind was.
<v Speaker 2>You're hungry.
<v Speaker 1>I I am hungry.
<v Speaker 2>Uh And you know, Chance Surf, you have a gardening question.
<v Speaker 2>Other people have the same question, and that is why
<v Speaker 2>I picked Paul's question here for us to answer, because
<v Speaker 2>Paul's question gets at a question that a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people are about to be asking themselves.
<v Speaker 1>Stacey, I'm going to guess it's the number one question
<v Speaker 1>you've been asked through the years.
<v Speaker 2>Is it one or another? Permutations of this question? Absolutely so,
<v Speaker 2>Paul says, here are pictures of our hydrangs with no
<v Speaker 2>flowers this year. As you can imagine, they are big
<v Speaker 2>leaf hydranges hydrange of macrophylla. His question then, is when
<v Speaker 2>do we trim them and how much? I have read
<v Speaker 2>one third to one half in spring. But I need
<v Speaker 2>the pros to help me. Now, as you here we go,
<v Speaker 2>and as you have heard me say, if you've been
<v Speaker 2>listening to this show for any length of time. When
<v Speaker 2>it comes to pruning, and especially when it comes to
<v Speaker 2>pruning hydranges, when in doubt, don't do not prune. And
<v Speaker 2>so Paul and I've written him back personally to make
<v Speaker 2>sure he does not prune these plants. Like I said,
<v Speaker 2>they are big leaf hydrangeas. This is the kind with
<v Speaker 2>a shiny, leathery leaves, and they should have the big, nice, round, pink,
<v Speaker 2>purple or blue flowers. Right now, if you have that
<v Speaker 2>type of hydrangea, whether or not it bloomed in your
<v Speaker 2>yard this past summer, right this very minute, it is
<v Speaker 2>making its flower buds for summer of twenty twenty six.
<v Speaker 2>So that means that if you were to trim it
<v Speaker 2>or cut it back or anything like that, you will
<v Speaker 2>be removing the flower buds it has busily been making
<v Speaker 2>for next year. So the answer is, if you have
<v Speaker 2>big leaf hydrangeas, do not prune them. Don't prune them
<v Speaker 2>by half, don't prune them by a third, put the
<v Speaker 2>pruners down and walk away. And it's hard for people.
<v Speaker 1>Hard because whether it's late fall or it's spring, you
<v Speaker 1>just have these sticks. Yeah, And if people feel the
<v Speaker 1>need to do something.
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's just it. And you know, Paul said that, hey,
<v Speaker 2>these hydrangeas didn't flower, well, there's a couple of flowers
<v Speaker 2>on some of them, and I think that that kind
<v Speaker 2>of makes people feel like they are compelled to do
<v Speaker 2>something to intervene. They think that pruning is going to
<v Speaker 2>fix the problem, when pruning is actually exacerbating the problem.
<v Speaker 1>But one of the problems here is that with panicle
<v Speaker 1>hydranges a pruning actually helps, in my opinion, makes the
<v Speaker 1>plant more beautiful, helps it bloom. So at the end
<v Speaker 1>of the day, stacy, doesn't it come down to making
<v Speaker 1>sure to determine whether it's a panicle or a big leaf.
<v Speaker 2>Hydrange Absolutely, So therein lies the confusion because people say, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>how do I prune my hydrange is without realizing there
<v Speaker 2>are these six different types of hydrangs in our gardens.
<v Speaker 2>So it's not a question that you can answer with
<v Speaker 2>one question. You have to have a follow up question,
<v Speaker 2>and that is what type of hydrangea do you have?
<v Speaker 2>So that's why when in doubt, don't If you do
<v Speaker 2>know which type of hydrange you have, then you'll know
<v Speaker 2>that yes, panicle and smooth hydrangees can and should be
<v Speaker 2>pruned usually after their dormant in fall or in late
<v Speaker 2>winter early spring. But again when in doubt, don't do anything,
<v Speaker 2>because even those plants are not going to be negatively
<v Speaker 2>affected from no pruning, whereas the types of hydranges that
<v Speaker 2>bloom on old wood and shouldn't be pruned will very
<v Speaker 2>much be negatively affected if you prune them. So you
<v Speaker 2>can always send us a picture. Take a picture to
<v Speaker 2>your local garden center. Look online, we've got our hydranges
<v Speaker 2>Demystified intro info sheet that will help you with that. So, Paul,
<v Speaker 2>no pruning, let your plants be and hopefully that will
<v Speaker 2>put you in a better shape for next year.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you nailed at Stacey, and you've done a lot
<v Speaker 1>of work on helping demystify hydranges for people. And I'm
<v Speaker 1>telling you, boots on the ground in the garden center,
<v Speaker 1>I'll run into this with customers and I'll say to them,
<v Speaker 1>what kind of hydrange do you have? And I get
<v Speaker 1>the glassy eyed.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wait, there's types. Just solve I out.
<v Speaker 1>I just had hydrange true rights to us. I'm struggling
<v Speaker 1>in my Zone six South Niagara garden would get reblooming
<v Speaker 1>evergreen azaleas to thrive. Is they're my wife's favorite flower.
<v Speaker 1>I must win the battle over this problem. After losing
<v Speaker 1>all their leaves during our tough winter, they hardly flowered
<v Speaker 1>in spring, have not rebloomed at all. Some of them
<v Speaker 1>are also suffering with yellow leaves. Is this a nutritional deficiency?
<v Speaker 1>Drew says, What am I doing?
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, Drew, there are a lot of people
<v Speaker 2>in USDA Zone six and colder who would dearly love
<v Speaker 2>to be able to grow reblooming evergreen azaleas. Yes, and
<v Speaker 2>I have to tell you, you know, Drew did include photos,
<v Speaker 2>and yes, the plants are very chlorotic. But I have
<v Speaker 2>to say I'm pretty impressed that you were even able
<v Speaker 2>to get them as large as you have, because, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the simple fact is, well, there's two simple facts here,
<v Speaker 2>by and large evergreen reblooming azaleas. The genetics that go
<v Speaker 2>into that plant to make them reblooming, they're just not
<v Speaker 2>very cold tolerant. And believe me, breeders are working hard
<v Speaker 2>on introducing more and more cold tolerance into these reblooming azaleas,
<v Speaker 2>but it is a very long process because now they
<v Speaker 2>have to kind of try to bring in cold you know,
<v Speaker 2>hardier genetics to counteract the tenderness. Most reblooming azaleas are
<v Speaker 2>not considered hardy and only to USDA Zone seven. Only
<v Speaker 2>recently are there newer ones that are hardy to zone six. Now,
<v Speaker 2>stack on top of that the issue that not all
<v Speaker 2>USDA's on six areas are the same. Now, certainly you
<v Speaker 2>know you can have if you are in a kind
<v Speaker 2>of coastal area like we are here in West Michigan,
<v Speaker 2>you can do pretty okay, it's a milder Zone six.
<v Speaker 2>But there are certainly inland zone six, like in say Kentucky, Missouri,
<v Speaker 2>those kind of areas where you have the worst of
<v Speaker 2>all worlds. You have really really hot summers and cold
<v Speaker 2>not snowy winters. So it's very hard to say, okay,
<v Speaker 2>this is heat, this is cold tolerant to zone six
<v Speaker 2>and kind of address those huge differences within USDA Zone six.
<v Speaker 2>So I will tell you my experience here with reblooming
<v Speaker 2>evergreen azaleas in USDA Zone six B. They survive winter,
<v Speaker 2>but you wish they hadn't because they come out looking
<v Speaker 2>so crummy, especially if you have like those prolonged periods
<v Speaker 2>of very cold weather, what snow melting on them, they
<v Speaker 2>will survive. And the reason that your plant is not
<v Speaker 2>flowering in spring is because the winter setback is so
<v Speaker 2>severe it kills all of those spring buds because those
<v Speaker 2>spring buds are on old wood, so those flower buds
<v Speaker 2>would need to make it all the way through winter
<v Speaker 2>intact in order to be able to bloom in spring.
<v Speaker 2>So that kind of takes out your spring bloom. In
<v Speaker 2>most cases, now you'd be thinking, Okay, well it can rebloom.
<v Speaker 2>That's one of the reasons I'm growing this, except that
<v Speaker 2>that winter setback was so severe that they don't even
<v Speaker 2>have a chance to get on the vegetative growth that
<v Speaker 2>they need from that winter setback to be able to
<v Speaker 2>get to the stage where they're setting flower buds for
<v Speaker 2>a rebloom. So in that case, Drew, it's not so
<v Speaker 2>much that you're doing anything wrong. It's just that this
<v Speaker 2>is a tough plant to grow in your conditions. If
<v Speaker 2>you have a protected area kind of like up near
<v Speaker 2>your house or in a little corner a microclimate, try
<v Speaker 2>to take advantage of that. But I would say to
<v Speaker 2>have reasonable expectations about what these plants can actually do
<v Speaker 2>in your landscape, and you don't have to disappoint your wife,
<v Speaker 2>because there are still lots of wonderful, hearty azaleas that
<v Speaker 2>can grow perfectly well in your climate. They're not reblooming,
<v Speaker 2>but they'll still give you, you know, a lot of that
<v Speaker 2>good azalea life absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>Like you always say, Stacey, send your questions and conundrums,
<v Speaker 1>and Drew has a conundrum.
<v Speaker 2>And yes, right, and he does. Drew, you do have
<v Speaker 2>some iron induced chlorrosis on your plants or that's probably
<v Speaker 2>pH induced. So a lot of everybody knows that rhododendrons
<v Speaker 2>and azaleas need acidic soil. If they don't have acidic soil,
<v Speaker 2>certain nutrients that they need are tied up, and one
<v Speaker 2>of those is iron. So it's typically a good idea
<v Speaker 2>if you are growing them in less than ideal pH
<v Speaker 2>like anything kind of i'd say above like six so
<v Speaker 2>neutral to even slightly acidic is usually not enough for them.
<v Speaker 2>You're going to need to apply some sort of iron wrench.
<v Speaker 2>And that's going to be true whether you're trying to
<v Speaker 2>grow the evergreen reblooming ones or any other type of azalea.
<v Speaker 2>So it's fine, you just kind of have to deal
<v Speaker 2>with your pH. But mulch organic matter and moisture will help,
<v Speaker 2>but I'd say a lot of rhododendron and azalea growers
<v Speaker 2>they keep the iron close at hand because they use
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it.
<v Speaker 1>Check the pH I agree, and let me mention that, again,
<v Speaker 1>coming from the garden center industry, I believe the Espoma
<v Speaker 1>Holy Tone is fab for azalea's and rhododendron.
<v Speaker 2>That's true, Yeah, definitely. I don't usually recommend it unless
<v Speaker 2>you know your soil needs acidifying, but i'd say that
<v Speaker 2>based on the condition of your azalea's, yours does. So
<v Speaker 2>that's an easy way. Although I don't think that's available
<v Speaker 2>in Canada, and I know Drew is in Canada, but
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you have something similar, so just check at
<v Speaker 2>your local garden center. All right, So, thank y'all so
<v Speaker 2>much for your questions. We're going to take a little break.
<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we're picking up that conversation on squashes, pumpkins,
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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified show. Let the Gourd
<v Speaker 1>Times rule. I got to give you a quick joke here, Stacy.
<v Speaker 1>See if this one works. What are jack o lanterns
<v Speaker 1>afraid of the dark things that go pumpkin the night?
<v Speaker 2>Oh?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's cute. Thank you. Now, I wish I wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>have used that. Throw that one away. Okay, So this
<v Speaker 1>is interesting. Illinois is far and away America's pumpkin growing king.
<v Speaker 1>By the numbers. They produce four hundred and eighty five
<v Speaker 1>point one million pounds of pumpkins in twenty twenty four,
<v Speaker 1>according to USDA data. So that's amazing. And much of
<v Speaker 1>the state's output is used for the canned stuff that
<v Speaker 1>you might buy for making pumpkin pie or bread.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I hear that's actually a Hubbard squash, not a pumpkin. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so I know that blows a lot of people's mind
<v Speaker 2>because in their head they're having a pumpkin pie and
<v Speaker 2>it's that cute little pumpkin that's on your front porch
<v Speaker 2>that became a pie. No, it's a Hubbard squash, which
<v Speaker 2>is an absolutely glorious squash giant, so big, but not
<v Speaker 2>what you have in your mind. So I would highly
<v Speaker 2>resturmend that. But it's okay. What matters, does it taste good?
<v Speaker 1>So Illinois number one, Indiana comes in number two, Pennsylvania, California,
<v Speaker 1>and then where we live, Michigan. So the climate, the
<v Speaker 1>soil conditions, they kind of call it the Orange Belt,
<v Speaker 1>makes it ideal for growing pumpkins. What I thought was
<v Speaker 1>really interesting is this summer in August, we had a
<v Speaker 1>gully washer rainstorm, and especially in Wisconsin across the lake,
<v Speaker 1>they had flooding in the Milwaukee area, and they were
<v Speaker 1>saying that in some of the pumpkin fields people who
<v Speaker 1>grow pumpkins, the pumpkins were actually floated.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it had rained so hard. And I was reading
<v Speaker 1>about a farmer there his son had recommended that in
<v Speaker 1>the past that he grow rye grass, tall rye grass,
<v Speaker 1>and he says it makes a straw mat for the
<v Speaker 1>pumpkins to grow them, and he feels it helped save
<v Speaker 1>their pumpkins this year. So I thought that that was
<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting. Of course, storing pumpkins, pumpkins and winter squash
<v Speaker 1>store best long term in a cool, dark airy location
<v Speaker 1>about fifty to sixty degrees, but you want a relatively
<v Speaker 1>coolish area. Reason I bring that up, Stacy, is that
<v Speaker 1>soon we'll be packing away our summer flowering bulbs, digging
<v Speaker 1>up our cannas, our allocations other plants. And a key
<v Speaker 1>is dry and cool. You do not want to put
<v Speaker 1>things into storage wet. You want it dry and cool
<v Speaker 1>when we're storing all things horticultural so to speak.
<v Speaker 2>And you know the squash, So if you're growing it
<v Speaker 2>yourself and you harvest it for storage, you should definitely
<v Speaker 2>out in the sun to harden that to make sure
<v Speaker 2>that shell gets nice and tough for you know, for storage.
<v Speaker 2>You can't just like harvest it and need some time
<v Speaker 2>to develop outside of the plant when it's no longer
<v Speaker 2>getting that water, get that hard shell. And that's what
<v Speaker 2>makes it so easy to keep long term.
<v Speaker 1>Agree winter squash. I also along the lines of this show,
<v Speaker 1>thought I would look up Guinness Book of World Records
<v Speaker 1>Minnesota horticulture teacher Travis Genger I believe is his name,
<v Speaker 1>two seven and forty nine pound pumpkin Wow, which beat
<v Speaker 1>the previous record by forty seven pounds. Now this was
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago, but What I found interesting
<v Speaker 1>about this and why I bring it up, is he
<v Speaker 1>said that his pumpkin's gigantic size. It got to that
<v Speaker 1>point because of the extra care and twelve watering a day.
<v Speaker 1>He named the pumpkin Michael Jordan, actually Michael Gordon. But
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing, care and feeding. To get to that
<v Speaker 1>point and to get that record pumpkin, he spent fifteen
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars on the pumpkins care and feeding, oh my god,
<v Speaker 1>according to the website, to get to that point. So
<v Speaker 1>for you, while I'm gonna grow a world record giant pumpkin,
<v Speaker 1>better think about what it takes to get to that point.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you don't have to grow a world
<v Speaker 2>record breaking pumpkins to still grow a really fun and
<v Speaker 2>cool pumpkin. But I'm glad that you brought up the
<v Speaker 2>giant pumpkins because of course, you know, the world Pumpkin
<v Speaker 2>way off is October fourth, so that's coming soon. And
<v Speaker 2>every year they seem to break the barrier. They get
<v Speaker 2>bigger and bigger. Took a long time to break the
<v Speaker 2>one ton barrier, but now that they do, it happens regularly.
<v Speaker 2>But to grow any kind of large pumpkin, it's not
<v Speaker 2>a matter of taking any old pumpkin and pumping it
<v Speaker 2>full of water and fertilizer. You can only grow a
<v Speaker 2>giant pumpkin from a giant pumpkin seed, not that the
<v Speaker 2>seed is giant, it is a seed for a giant pumpkin.
<v Speaker 2>So if you're into that, make sure that you're picking
<v Speaker 2>something that can actually do what you want it to do.
<v Speaker 2>And you know know that you are if you really
<v Speaker 2>want it to get it as big as possible, you're
<v Speaker 2>definitely in for a lot of work and TLC. But
<v Speaker 2>it can be so fun. And you know when when
<v Speaker 2>like the pumpkin that you just mentioned, you know that
<v Speaker 2>guy will probably if he wins any kind of contest,
<v Speaker 2>he'll make up his money in prize money, but he
<v Speaker 2>will also make up his money in selling the seeds,
<v Speaker 2>because you know, typically a single giant pumpkin seed over
<v Speaker 2>the one ton mark can easily go for one hundred
<v Speaker 2>dollars or more for a single seed. So Adrianna is
<v Speaker 2>making some notes here retirement plan. So definitely you don't
<v Speaker 2>need to go to that level, because you know, any
<v Speaker 2>standard seed company will sell some really large pumpkins. But
<v Speaker 2>it's all about what you're starting out with, you bet.
<v Speaker 1>Now. Of course, anybody who's grown Q kurbets in their yard,
<v Speaker 1>whether it's cucumbers, pumpkins, squash, gords, whatever it may be.
<v Speaker 1>I have found through the years folks who ask me
<v Speaker 1>questions they struggle a little bit with the male and
<v Speaker 1>female flowers and pollination and whether or not they should
<v Speaker 1>use a brush or a Q tip and help the
<v Speaker 1>process along. Don't worry if your winter squash only has
<v Speaker 1>male or female flowers early in the season. That's usually
<v Speaker 1>the case, and it's pretty common for young plants. And
<v Speaker 1>what I have found through the years they see is
<v Speaker 1>that as the plants grow and develop and they start
<v Speaker 1>to take off, the ratio will even out as the
<v Speaker 1>plant matures. But you know, I had a customer, a
<v Speaker 1>lady who called and and said that she got only
<v Speaker 1>female plants, and she was insisted she only got female plants,
<v Speaker 1>and someone at the garden center told her she had
<v Speaker 1>to come in and buy some males. And she thought
<v Speaker 1>that was ridiculous. Now I said, yes, it is really.
<v Speaker 1>So My point is there's a little bit of hand
<v Speaker 1>holding early on in the sea.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you do need to be patient, and of course
<v Speaker 2>if you are a giant pumpkin grower, you can't afford
<v Speaker 2>to be patient because you need to get those things
<v Speaker 2>going as soon as possible. But for most of us
<v Speaker 2>who are just growing you know, squashes and gourds and
<v Speaker 2>pumpkins to enjoy at home. Yeah, a single plant will
<v Speaker 2>produce separate male and female flowers. You can tell the
<v Speaker 2>difference because the female flowers will have the little pre
<v Speaker 2>formed fruit at the base of the flower, so it
<v Speaker 2>needs to get pollinated from the adjoining male flower. And
<v Speaker 2>those plants, those flowers both need to be present at
<v Speaker 2>the same time. They can be on different plants. That
<v Speaker 2>works just fine, but you do need both. And yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I find with at least with zucchini, which is the
<v Speaker 2>main circubit that I've ever grown, I find that I
<v Speaker 2>get a lot of male flow for the first couple,
<v Speaker 2>you know, weeks, and it takes a while for the
<v Speaker 2>female flowers to start appearing.
<v Speaker 1>But for some people that patience is difficult. So then
<v Speaker 1>get out there with a Q tip. It's fun, of course,
<v Speaker 1>many many different types and that's the point. Here's so
<v Speaker 1>many different types of pumpkins, but so many different types
<v Speaker 1>of gourds and squash and curcubita.
<v Speaker 2>Pepo or people curcubita people.
<v Speaker 1>I've heard it pronounced both ways. Yeah, it's a fun
<v Speaker 1>one people, But that's your that. Those are your highly colorful,
<v Speaker 1>ornamental type gords that we would always sell in the
<v Speaker 1>garden center and are always fun for decorating. And then
<v Speaker 1>if you want to really get into this, of course
<v Speaker 1>you could get into the hard shell gords, the lufa gords. Right,
<v Speaker 1>all of this, and again I have found stacy in
<v Speaker 1>many cases. What it comes down to is getting the
<v Speaker 1>right seed in spring.
<v Speaker 2>Definitely know what you want to grow and she's that,
<v Speaker 2>and of course giving it enough space. And even if
<v Speaker 2>you're not trying to grow a record breaking pumpkin or gored,
<v Speaker 2>these are plants that are very hungry and thirsty.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.
<v Speaker 2>You cannot pretty much fertilize them enough. You know, weekly
<v Speaker 2>is probably fine for most of us, but they're really
<v Speaker 2>going to need a lot of resources to be able
<v Speaker 2>to produce. And the bigger the plant, the bigger the
<v Speaker 2>fruit that it produces, the more it's going to need.
<v Speaker 2>I've typically found that those with smaller fruits are going
<v Speaker 2>to be a little bit less demanding, or at least
<v Speaker 2>you just get something because you know, sure those little
<v Speaker 2>pumpkins might be this big, but at least you're getting them.
<v Speaker 1>The bigger the pumpkin, the harder they fall, right, that's
<v Speaker 1>how it works. And yeah, you're right, lots of sunlight
<v Speaker 1>watering over the top can become a problem. So consider
<v Speaker 1>all of those things if you're thinking of growing gourds
<v Speaker 1>or pumpkins in your garden next year. But if you
<v Speaker 1>have the space or you've got a great harbor, Stacey,
<v Speaker 1>I encourage people to do it.
<v Speaker 2>It's so fun, and especially if you have kids or grandkids,
<v Speaker 2>they're just going to go bananas to see that, so
<v Speaker 2>it's worth it if you have a space. I don't.
<v Speaker 2>I wish I did.
<v Speaker 1>All right, So that's it from the boardroom, all yours.
<v Speaker 2>I'm the chairman of the Gord and.
<v Speaker 1>Chairman of the Bard, so take it away.
<v Speaker 2>Well okay, So and our.
<v Speaker 1>Viewers and listeners, Adriana are going to be upset if
<v Speaker 1>you edit this out, so I think you're gonna have
<v Speaker 1>to leave it in.
<v Speaker 2>You're really getting the all right anyway, Thank you Rick
<v Speaker 2>for all of that. That was amazing. Thank you Adriana,
<v Speaker 2>and thanks so much to all of you for listening
<v Speaker 2>and watching. We truly appreciate it, and if you have
<v Speaker 2>a wonderful week ahead,