Ep:61 Bigfoot and Demons in Strange California II

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at Bigfoot Crossroads. I'd like to welcome Chris back to the show. Chris
was last on episode fifty two, talked about his possible Bigfoot experience, Slash
experiences, and some paranormal stuff. Chris has had a very active life whenever
it comes to paranormal stuff, and a lot of people wanted to hear more
about it. They left comments saying that they wanted to hear Chris talking about
some more of the paranormal stuff and go a little bit farther in depth with
some of the things that he's been involved with. Chris, welcome back to
the show. Man. How are you? Thank you man. I'm doing
well. Nice to be back. I enjoyed our first talk and I'm sure
we're going to have have a good talk today as well. For sure,
for sure. So you're pretty much whenever it comes to Bigfoot, you're a
flesh and blood guy. Correct, yes, with an asterisk, All right,
gotta keep that. Don't want to shut the door, but so open,
mind, flush and blood guy, how about that? Yeah, yeah,
I get that. But I wanted to get your opinion on some stuff
and it's a subject that's come up recently in my own personal conversations with different
people, and I thought that you might be one of the perfect people to
talk to about this due to your parentorormal experiences and some of the other stuff
that you've encountered. So whenever it comes to bigfoot, you hear all kinds
of stories. I've talked to all different kinds of people who have had,
you know, ran the gambit of experiences with Bigfoot, flesh and blood,
and paranormal claims. So I've kind of compiled a list here that I want
to go over. Okay, you know, because whenever it comes to paranormal
claims, you hear a lot of stuff. You know, cloaking and mind
speak and you know orbs, and you know, certain Native American beliefs said
they could put you in sort of a hypnotic state. People have heard them
it's not really paranormal. People have heard them speaking some sort of language that
they can't recognize. People have talked about One of the more recent things in
the world of bigfoot is finding what they call glyphs. You you have the
classic larger tree formations and limb structures that people have been talking about forever,
but now you also have people saying that they're finding basically symbols and stuff made
out of small sticks laying on the ground that looks sort of like higher glyphics
or some sort of language using symbols. It's pretty interesting stuff. But yeah,
let me just go through this list and then we'll talk about it.
You've got shape shifting. Some people have said that bigfoot has the ability to
turn into a tree or look like a tree or I recently ran across a
guy who was talking about he saw a bigfoot that froze in his tracks,
and that if you didn't realize it was a bigfoot, if you just saw
it like driving down the road, it would have just looked like a burnt
tree stump or something. But he didn't actually say that he saw it turn
into a tree. He just said that it was so still and blended in
so well that it would have given the appearance of a tree. You know,
obviously people have seen them eating stuff. There's stories of them kidnapping humans.
There's rumors of Bigfoot actually mating and producing offspring with humans. I believe
the Albert Osman story of fame. You know, they kidnapped Albert Osman and
he thought that possibly they wanted him to join their clan or mate with the
young female juvenile or something. We've got, you know, stories of them
using mind speak and telepathy. We've got. Obviously, they're rational and intelligent
creatures. We've seen evidence of that. They've got free will. They can
be both good or evil. Sometimes you run across these very docile, very
passive creatures. But then you have other stories that are just horror stories where
they're just these raging beasts out to murder us. While they're so intelligent,
they don't seem to use fire or anything like that. Their knowledge seems somewhat
limited in certain aspects. A lot of people gift them, leave offerings to
them. They're known to imitate animals, and even at times, people have
claimed to hear them calling their own names or sounding like someone they know,
impersonating all different kinds of sounds. We know they're found all over the world.
People have claimed that they can cloak or disappear at will. They've been
associated with orbs and strange lights in the sky and things of that nature.
They're mimicking sometimes goes to the extent of it sounds almost like animals talking to
one another. People have had dreams about them and said that they communicated with
them in their dreams, and some people even have gone a bit crazy researching
this subject. There's you know, I'm not going to mention any names,
but there there was a very prominent researcher from Ohio who had a very terrifying
encounter with these creatures, a physical encounter, was able to escape with his
life because of his research partner being there at the time, I think.
But after that he was completely different. He would see all sorts of things
and his pictures and had a completely different outlook on everything. It just changed
him entirely, his whole mental approach to the subject. Now, I say,
all these things and all these things have been attributed to Bigfoot, but
these are not attributes a bigfoot, Chris, these are actually attributes of demons.
Correct kind of weird man, kind of weird. I've personally known two
different people involved in Bigfoot that I've had, you know, these relationships with
through Bigfoot research who were going down one path and then suddenly did a one
eighty I mean instantly called me up and said, Matt, these things are
demons. I'm not having anything to do with them ever. Again. They're
ruining my life. They are evil, they are demonic. We are not
meant to mess with these things. Yeah, now you're somebody who's had experience
with demons and evil entities. I mean, what do you think, man?
Do you think the similarities are just coincidence? Do you think there's a
chance that maybe Bigfoot is some sort of demon or maybe demons are imitating Bigfoot
and appearing as Bigfoot creatures and they're actually two separate things. Yeah, that's
a that's an interesting concept, you know, that they could be two different
things. And if you'd asked me this, you know, several years ago,
I would have shut you down halfway through your list and said, come
on, they're just oversized monkeys. They're animals, they're you know, just
another species of creature. But it's like anything else. Man, It's the
same thing. We touched on a little bit on the UFO incidents to abduction
incidents, and to me, it's pretty interesting in a lot of these UFO
abductions where people say, you know, in Jesus name, you have to
leave me alone, and all of a sudden, the thing stops. Well,
the same thing with the same thing to me with Bigfoot. If you
look at it, see this subject, when you look at it from a
different angle, it's either going to make sense or it's not going to make
sense. You know, if I looked at it from an angle of you
know, oh, they're just you know, they're from the fairy world,
that would make any sense because they're big, giant creatures. But when you
think of the attributes of demons and what they can do, you can it's
a parallel path with big flip sightings and for the I mean, there's just
too much evidence out there for me. That's why I said I'm a flesh
and blood believer with an asterisk, because I'm just not sure what that attribute
is. But I've just heard too many people talk about um. And I
mentioned the last time we spoke about the photo that I got from the researcher
where one of them looks solid, the two in front of them looked like
they were just dissolving. How do you explain, you know, a track
way in the snow where you have, you know, a quarter mile of
tracks and all of a sudden just stops and there's it's a complete open area
where they couldn't be you know, jump or you know, to jump,
you know, to to hide their prints or anything in an open snowfield.
I mean, there's only one there's only two conclusions. Either they're going up
somehow or they're disappearing somehow. There's no other explanation for it. Um,
the same thing, what the like he said, the mind speak, demons
can do that, do demterializing, they can do that, They can take
on other forms, they can. I mean everything that you said lines up
with attributes of demons, and these are these This is just based on several
incidents of me seeing what these things can do, and um, you'd be
amazed at what these things can do quickly. And what I mean by that
is you know a lot of people, I'm sure have the same thing I
had in my house where you look at something and you turn around just for
two sieurns, you look back and it's gone, and then when you find
it, it's say in the other side of the room and it's perfectly coiled
up or stacked up or in such a way that would take time, right,
if that makes sense. Yeah, and it happens in a micro second
there. I don't think these things are limited by time or space or anything
else. Just because of what I've seen and real quick I can tell you
about the One of the reasons I say that is my office at one of
my jobs. Everywhere I've worked, I've had these incidents, and there was
something that was broken and missing. In my office. There was a little
piece of string with this a fish house from one of those little fisherman guys.
I can the little mini bamboo that you know people have on their desks.
And a friend of mine walked by, who was really getting bothered by
these things, and I called him over to my office. I stood up,
I called him over. When I came back, the string and the
little fish were gone. And so I'm looking around on the ground, I'm
looking everywhere, and I literally was away from my desk for no more than
three seconds, and all of a sudden, the guy looks across in the
corner of my office and he says, there's a thing you're looking for,
a white string with a little fish hunt. And I said, yeah,
where is it, And he goes, you better come on my side,
and and then he pointed, and in the corner of my office under a
rock because one of my hobbies is paleontology and I always have, you know,
weird rocks and stuff in my office or whatever I had. And when
I looked, you could see in the undercut of this rock was this stringing
this little fish thing on there from this little statue thing. But it was
perfectly coiled up and it was set. There was such precision, and that
just blew me away, because how do you do that in two seconds?
Yeah, So I don't I don't think these things are limited by what you
and I think of as time and space, because things happen in a in
a micro second that are impossible. And I saw this time and time again.
So you know, when someone says, oh, they just you know,
vanished or whatever that really could be. Now, that's not to say
that. Some people, I think, because their own failings are maybe their
own shortcomings and research kind of fill in the gaps of their own thing by
saying, oh, well, you know, it vaporized because I couldn't find
any evidence of it, or just simply disappeared. Some of that I take
with a grain of salt, only because I think they're at least when they're
in solid form, if you want to describe it that way. I think
they're masters of deception and using their environment. Like you mentioned the tree stumps,
there was a very famous video of a forest forester that was filming a
bunch of clear cuts, I want to say. It was in Oregon or
Washington, and he was surveying from a helicopter and suddenly you could look at
the film ten times and it looks like you're just looking at a bunch of
stumps, And as soon as the helicopter gets over the top of the section,
one of the stumps stands up and runs for the tree line. And
there's no way you could ever think that that was anything but a stunt.
So a lot of it, I think is sometimes people will fill in the
blanks with stuffs that may not be correct. That's but however, what's saying
that. I'm not just guarding any of that because I think it's a possibility,
and I really, I really think your last comment of maybe there are
flesh and blood, you know, bigfoot out there that we you know that
we traditionally think are you know, a species of animal, maybe partially human,
I don't know, but a species of animal. And maybe there's a
whole other side of these things that imitate or mimic those because and for some
reason, I mean, I've seen demons mimic other things before. Why not
Bigfoot? And you know why not you know people that are out in the
forest, And it's like, you know, what's I'm not a I don't
know a lot about Dogman, but the it intrigues me, and I wonder
sometimes, you know what it is a dog Man? Is it a spinoff?
Is it a you know, could it be like you said, some
type of an imitation of a of a Bigfoot creature like that? I mean,
who knows, right? I just recently had a vic kind of on
the show host of you Know, Dogman Encounters Radio Okay, one of the
most knowledgeable people on the subject. For sure, he's I'm pretty sure he's
talked to more Dogman witnesses than anybody on the planet. And a lot of
this stuff about dog Man is parallel with the stuff involving Bigfoot, especially whenever
it comes to the paranormal things. And so I've started really kind of questioning
Are we just dealing with cryptids or is there something else out there imitating cryptids
or doing things that we're just attributing to the cryptids. It's hard to say,
but there's certainly no rule saying that we're only dealing with one specific thing,
or that it's you know, black and white and not fifty different shades
of gray. No pun intended for those perverts out there, but I just
thought it was interesting. You know that this list of demonic attributes, how
similar it is. Whenever you start reading them, it sounds like you're talking
about bigfoot claims. Yeah, well, I know the researcher that you and
I had briefly touched on last time we spoke that was sending me, you
know, photos and information on his research. Almost always, if he went
to someone's house, like if the if the if the case involved a home
or ranch property where there are people dwelling there, I would say at least
eighty to ninety percent of time it was accompanied by paranormal events in the home
culture guys, activity, lights, um, different weird objects appearing just similar
to the stuff I had in that in that first house that we discussed last
time. A lot of things that were very similar, but they parallel them.
And I've heard a lot of you know, how do you how do
you justify or come to terms with you know, people have gotten plenty of
orbs on film out in the you know, in the woods when they're doing
Bigfoot research. It's pitch black, there's no roads, there's no it's not
a highway, it's not a road. And you watch you know, orbs
floating around, which usually accompanies and some type of contact or citing. I
mean, I think if you're I think, if you're truly investigating a subject
and you're letting you don't have a preconceived idea. You have to let the
evidence lead you to the conclusion. And so when you start looking at the
evidence, and of course, mind you, I say this, assuming the
evidence that you're you're dealing with is true and correct and trustworthy. You know,
with that caveat, it's hard to it's hard to deny, as much
as I want to say it's just an animal, it's hard to deny all
these claims when you put them together, the photos I've seen, the incidence
I've heard of from I know, you know, you're one of the many
guys I know Matt that a real Bigfoot enthusiasts. I know several, and
they all have stories of weirdness that goes on when they're you know, researching
Bigfoot. Yeah, for sure. I think a lot of the paranormal is
connected. And I hate to sound like a and Ponier that I see a
demon under every rock. But like I said, facts are facts, and
when I you know, I don't follow UFO stuff so much anymore really,
But I've heard dozens of abductees say that they've stopped these things by invoking the
name of Jesus. So if these aren't demonic, why would they care about
the name of Jesus. It doesn't make sense to me if it has no
effect on them. It's like saying, hey, puppy dog, leave you
know, now, leave me alone. The word puppy dog isn't going to
really affect them, So why would the word Jesus affect them? If they
were not demonic, why would they care? So you have to ask yourself
if you're if you're really, you know, trying to get to the bottom
of this. As an enthusiast, I think you really have to ask yourself
these questions and then come to kind of a logical conclusion that the facts are
kind of fun I look at like kind of like a funnel, right,
you know, You've got all these acts coming in for a bunch of different
places, and eventually what comes out the end of the funnel, you know,
has to be what the evidence tells you. And so you know more
and more. I think a lot, if not all, paranormal stuff on
the planet is interconnected. I think that a lot of it is demonic,
and I think a lot of it is you know, like I said,
this could be a whole other you know, several hour conversation probably, but
there's a lot of these things you're just taking away from people's willingness, knowledge
or ability to focus on God or what they should be in this life.
If that makes sense. It's like, you know, if you look at
it like you said, it makes some people will change their entire life when
they have a paranormal encounter of some kind. It really does, you know.
You hear folks that have bigfoot encounters have been hunters their entire life or
fishermen, and they're so afraid now they won't dare go back in the woods.
I mean, that's that's to me that's pretty telling because if there's something
you love and something takes that away from you, for sure they believe they
saw that. They're not making it up if they're willing or life and not
go back in the woods. So I think if you look at it,
not just the incident, but more of the big picture, I'm as the
years go by, I'm falling more and more into everything I see seems to
be demonically controlled. And you know, people can come to their own conclusion.
Why they think that is my personal you know, just this is just
me talking. You know. My personal opinion is I think it's to just
get people off their games so they're ungodly. Let's just say, well,
let's talk about some of the firsthand experience as you've had whenever it comes to
demons and evil entities. Okay, So in my first house, the one
thing that kind of made me figure out that this was demonic was a lot
of the things were involved around the number three. And I know this sounds
funny to people, but I didn't understand that until one time I was listening
to a paranormal researcher and they said, yeah, it always happens. The
number three is very prevalent because what these demons do is mocked like the Holy
Trinity, and so that kind of made sense. I had a lot of
weirdness of, you know, the number three. There's another factor that I
think might be interesting is I've had a few incidents of what I think or
demon either oppressed or actually possessed people encounters. And the part that's strange to
me is all of them and they're completely removed by years and geography, and
none of these folks remotely know or of each other. But all three of
them that I could think of off top of my head, I've all said
the same thing. They look at me and they say they always speak about
themselves in the plural. We know who you are, we know what you
are, we know you by name, and you're different inside. So with
those facts, I'll tell you a couple of quick stories about these encounters.
The first one, and probably the most most disturbing one to me personally,
is I was at my friend's house and it's the guy that I told you
about, Matt, that has gotten the scratches. I'd set you the photo
and all that. Yeah, well yeah, well it's his sister and all,
it's his wife's sister. He told me for a long time, she's
been into a cult stuff. She's not a believer or not a Christian,
she's into a cult. So I've always had an okay relationship with her,
you know, I try to be friendly with everybody. And so we're at
their house one time and we're just having a barbecue and we're in the kitchen
and she's telling me about her new job that she got in a public library.
So we're having a normal conversation back and forth, and she's teld me
like what her day is like, you know, at the library, and
all of a sudden, much like a horror film, she tips her head
to the side, like you know, almost ninety degrees and says her voice
changes to that of a male. Her eyes and face to me looked male.
And she said, oh, we know who and what you are,
and we see you're different on the inside. And she's got her head tip
to the side, and I swear, I think I'm talking to a man
with a broken neck, is the way it looked, if that makes sense,
like you see in like a movie. Yeah, I said, what
did you say to me? And she said, we see that you're different
on the inside. We know who you are and before so I'll be honest
with you. I was kind of shocked and it kind of took my breath
away a little bit. And before I could start rebuking whatever this was,
her head snapped back to the straight position and her sentence continued, Oh,
and then after lunch, you know, I got to go over here and
do this job. And this job. When I'm looking at her like what
I had just happened, it was like a switch flipped on. She was
this weird creature for fifteen seconds or whatever, and then she flipped back to
normal. And I'm not gonna lie to this day, it gives me goosebumps
talking about it was super weird. And since then I've talked to her a
few times, and I told my wife she's not welcome in our home if
she ever wants to come over. She's got something inside of her. And
that was like a super weird thing. And then, uh so at might
work, Um, I was working for a manufacturer, and I'm a manufacturing
person by by nature, by work, and I had this this one young
man that was he's about thirty, and he was one of my crew leaders,
and he was always a good worker, and all of a sudden,
his performance just started really going downhill, and he was just acting strange and
having these encounter you know, violent encounters with co workers whatnot. So we're
in our we're in my office one day and all of a sudden, he
says, well, you know what this is, right? And I look
at him and he had blue He's a kid, was kind of reddish hair
and like really bright blue eyes, right, and when he started talking to
me, I am not kidding, his eyes were the pupils of his eyes
were as black as coal. And he started taking his arm like from his
chest out from his chest out like he was doing like with his hand.
He kept going back and forth, and I'm like, what's this guy doing?
And he goes, well, you know why you and I aren't getting
along, right? And I said, well, I thought we were getting
His name was Sean, so I thought we are getting along show, and
he goes, no, those are the demons telling me. And then he
looked and same thing. Man, His head went to side. I don't
know what this is about. I've seen it movies. I don't know what
it is. His head kind of tips the side. He goes, well,
we know who you are. We all know you by name. And
that kind of freaked me on a little bit because I've had these things before
called me out by name, you know, using my name. So I
said, well, do you see that? Do you see the demons now?
Are they're here in the room with us? He goes, oh,
no, we're not that stupid. We wouldn't come in front of you like
that. They're at my house, but we know who you are. And
then all of a sudden, his head snapped back and he started telling about
where he was going on vacation, and his eyes weren't black any longer.
And you know, the third one that's much more recent, was I'd sent
Matt a picture of this guy. There's a I do a homeless outreach,
and there's a guy that lives down the river with a bunch of people and
he's kind of their ring leader. And the first time I met him,
he was wise and off to one of the volunteers, and I walked up
to him and introduced myself and he started backing away from me like he'd seen
a ghost, and he just he started acting really weird, and he starts
calling me sir, being really polite, and then I said, oh,
you must be I don't want to use his name, but you must be
so and to that I've heard of. And he looked at me kind of
funny, and he goes, oh, yeah, we know who you are.
And I just thought it. Think it's funny map that they keep telling
that. I keep hearing this, we know who you are. And after
that encounter, I was with an older volunteer and we're now we're down in
like a dry riverbed at this time, so there's just bushes all around us,
you know, super thick bushes. As we walked down this dry riverbed,
and all of a sudden, we started hearing this weird screaming coming out
of the bushes. And the old guy says, Hey, should we go
see who that is? And I said, no, you know, we
best leave that alone because I could tell it wasn't human. It was coming
from an area where there's nobody. So we started walking down this path and
all of a sudden we heard of all things, children laughing and playing,
and so the older guy was confused. He goes, do you hear that?
Because I thought I was the only one hearing, because most time other
people around me aren't hearing. He goes, do you hear that? I
said yeah, and he goes, that's weird. And then all of a
sudden, it went from one side of the river, dry river, to
the other. So now the older guy was really confused and he's like,
do you hear it on that side now behind you? And I said yeah.
He goes, how can that be possible? And I kind of shrugged
my shoulders. I said, I'm not sure, but we need to keep
moving and he said. I asked him, I said, how long have
you been doing this? He said like seven years? I said, have
you ever seen kids down here? He goes never? And I go,
what do you make of this? And he's like, I don't know,
but that was definitely kids laughing and playing. And I've had other instances that
are always surrounds this guy, this you know, demonic guy. There's also
like entities that most people will will know them that will listen to this show.
They'll call them shadow people or shadow creatures. And in the riverbed with
that guy again, the same guy was in the camp. And we were
never supposed to go by ourselves for safety reasons, but I'm fairly well equipped
to protect myself and I figure, you know, I just pray for protection,
and I'm pretty brave to go just about anywhere. So I was by
myself, and I had prayed on my way down and walking down under this
underpass in the butchers with these people, and I said, God, I
just want to have a good interaction here and share the word of God with
these folks and bring them some resources. Give me a hundred angels to surround
me, so I have no problem walking down here. So I walked down
and I had a really good encounter with them, and while I was down
there, someone who had walked out of the actual river bed, and I'd
given all my resources to this guy in this group. They were my last
stop, so I said, hey, I'll go see him and he'll give
you, you know, some water and food and whatnot. So everything was
great. I felt fine. I didn't feel anything weird. So I turned
around to leave and I was about twenty five thirty feet away from them,
and I saw something out of the corner of my dark walking out from the
river bed. So my assumption at the time was, Oh, this has
just got to be another homeless person wanting some food and water. I'll direct
them over here. Because I left all the extra over there. And when
I turned to look to address the person, it wasn't a person at all.
It was about a probably a six foot five guy, like when I
say a guy in a black cloak. You could see that it had a
collar and a like a draping like someone was wearing like a cloak. The
head on it was kind of almost rounded diamond shape, almost like I always
say, like a bishop on a chessboard. And this thing went up to
me. And when I looked at it, and it's funny that I,
you know, I recognized detail, but it was leaning forward at the waist
like someone trying to pick a fight, you know what I mean, Matt,
Like you're kind of like, yeah, like that that tough guy position,
intamidating exactly. And I looked at it and I just laughed at it,
and I said, oh, pretty funny. And I actually put my
hand in front of me, my finger and made a circular motion if that
makes sense, you know, parallel to the ground. And they said,
oh, can you see my hundred angels around me right now? And when
I said that, it recoiled like it went way back, and I said,
I said, be gone before I stick them on you and it recoiled,
it turned into like black smoke, and the wind just blew it away.
And I've seen the same I don't know who or what this is,
but I've seen it several times. And I don't know if it's the thing
that's you know, tries to mess with me since I was, you know,
four years old. But I've seen it outside my home because I think
I told you last time. When I came here, I kind of asked
God for six angels for you know, one on each side, top and
bottom. And I've seen the same entity. It was all my neighbor's roof
while I was out mowing my yard one day and I don't have a very
big yard, and it was like middle of the day and I'm mowing it
and I noticed something on Cornmaine and I look in the sixth stent on my
neighbor's roof, the same entity, and he's looked the same thing looking down
at me. And I stopped the mower and I looked up at him and
I said, that's pretty funny. You can't come on my property, right
And same thing. It did, the exact same thing. Man. It
turned to smoke and blew away in the wind, and and the you know,
the more I you know, maybe you know later, and the later
we can get it into some of my helping some other people. You know
what I've done and how that's gone. But anytime I helped somebody, I
always know that there's going to be an attack coming, always without fail.
And there's one thing I think you guys would find interesting talking to you about
demonic stuff that happened to me about ten years ago, so right before I
moved up to where I'm currently living, and on two successive days whatever you
want to call these things, demons, dark forces, but on two successive
mornings, they tried to kill me. And is wild as that sounds,
I'll let you know what happened. So at my other job in the Los
Angeles area, I used to bicycle commute to work quite a lot, and
it was about a ten mile trip to heavy traffic. So the only reason
I say that is I'm very well versed in how to ride a bicycle in
traffic because I did it for many, many years just for exercise, no
other reason, just for exercise. So the current place I was working was
only about three miles from the house, and so I had a you know,
my mountain bike, and I told my wife and hey, you know,
I'm gonna start riding to work, you know a little bit of exercise.
And it's only three miles. Why would I drive, you know,
so the very first day, and at the time, I was helping a
person from New Jersey. And if if Matt wants to we'll get into that
story. But so I'm riding to work and I'm gonna stop light and there's
you know, heavy traffic. There's two like three lanes going in each direction.
I'm in a major intersection. So I'm stopped along the curb and I'm
waiting. So the light turns green and me and the car you know,
take off together, you know, the car in the lane. I'm along
the curb right, and then all of a sudden, the car next to
me stops in the middle of the intersections. So just instinctively, I grabbed
the brakes and I stopped. Well it's a good thing I did, because
a car had come to the red light, you know, five seconds after
it turned red. And you'd think, okay, that was just a you
know, a bad driver or whatever. But here's the thing. The car
looked like it was made of lego bricks. And I know that sounds crazy,
but I'm a car guy and I can tell you, oh, that's
a BMW, that's an Audi, that's a you know, Nissan, that's
a Ford. I'm not a mechanic, but I'm good at recognizing car makes
and models. And it looked kind of like a little wedge shaped car.
It was gray, and all the windows were blacked out. When I say
blacked out, I mean opaque, like even a windshield. And when it
went by, I noticed it didn't look like any car I'd ever seen.
And it missed my front tire and you're not gonna it's I'm not kidding.
It was probably two feet away taking me up. And it was so close,
man, that when I looked up at all the cars that were stopped
at the intersect, you know, to go the other direction, you know,
the opposite direction I'm going, I looked up and all of them their
mouth was opened, their eyes were really big, like, holy, you
know what, you almost got run over? And so that's what was weird
to me. As the like I said, the windows were blacked out,
and the car was like choppy, if that makes sense. Almost I get
put together with bricks. So I rode to work. I rode home.
So the very next day I said, well, I'm not ride now.
I was freaked out. So I drove my truck in. I had a
time I was driving a Toyot Tacoma, and I drove it to work and
I had my briefcase. I was running a little three D printing company at
the time, and I had my briefcase in the back seat. And so
I get out of the car. There was a four door, you know,
pick up. So I get out of the car and I go to
open the you know. I opened the back door to get my bag out,
and all of a sudden, some catches my eye and just dumb,
as crazy as it's gonna sound, I looked down and there's shadow snakes right,
it just looks like it looks like like an in you know when Indiana
Jones fell on the pit. Just a bunch of snakes slithering around your feet,
yep, in shadow for him. And I looked down. I'm like,
holy, you know what. And I jumped back to get away from
the snakes. Well, when I jumped back to get away from the snakes,
I heard an engineer in my right ear. I'll never forget this,
man. I took my left hand and I grabbed the grab bar that was
inside the truck, and I pulled my entire body like back into the truck.
And I looked back and there was a truck. It was six inches
from my butt. This is no exaggeration. And when I turned around that
I'm not kidding. It was a frigging truck that looked like I had been
built with legos. There was a guy. There was a guy behind the
wheel. This time I could see through the glass. There was a guy
behind the wheel that looked like a mannequin. And it was physical because it
came so close to me. It slammed the curb, you know, like
two feet in front of my truck and left tire marks, so I know
it was a physical you know, vehicle bounced off the curb, went back
out in the lane and just drifted around the corner. And I was so
scared. At the time, I was still smoking cigarettes. And I'll never
figure because I lit a cigarette, I could barely hold it. And I
called my wife up and I'll never forget what I said when she answered the
phone. I said, they're trying to kill me two successive days, and
you couldn't. You didn't recognize a type of truck or you know, the
make or model or anything. It didn't look like anything. It looked like
a truck made of legos. I swear as I stand here, there's no
other way to explain it. I don't know what this was, but it
came so close to me it I'm, like I said, six inches like,
had I not pulled myself back in when I saw as I saw was
read at first, I just saw a color, so I thought it's got
to be a vehicle, so I put like I said, I grabbed that
grab handle with my left arm and pulled myself back in. If I hadn't
have done that, it still came within six inches. So the thing that
really scared me, and the thing that really kind of upset me, was
if that thing would have taken me out, people would just thought I got
hit by a hit and run driver. They would have never known how or
why I died, And that really that angered me, to be honest with
you, But that was two successive days. I'll never forget this that I
felt like I was being, you know, targeted by these things, and
it was because I was helping someone get out of a big mess in New
Jersey. What do you think that I know this is really weird to be
hung up on this part, but you know the appearance of being put together
with lego bricks, I mean, what do you think that's about? What
do you think that is just like just the way that it looks manifested or
yeah, I think it was just maybe hey, they needed a vehicle to
run me down with and instead of I'm surprised they didn't just like take possession
of someone driving a big drug and run me over. You know, that
would have been easier. But I don't know what it is about why it
looked like that. But if it's just I don't know if anybody has any
any clue that listens to this episode. You know, it's been probably eleven
or twelve years since this happened, you know, and I still don't have
a I think I know why it happened because I was helping someone. But
like, like you said, why would it look like that? Why would't
they just possess a guy in a big truck to just do a right turn
and plow me over and kill me. And let me say this having known
you for so long, again, without giving away any information, I can
certainly back you up on saying that you know your cars. I would dare
say any car that you looked at, you would be able to tell me
what it was for sure. Yeah, I'm pretty confident. And that's the
thing. It didn't look like any kind of truck, you know, And
I'm a truck guy, so okay, maybe I might miss a little car.
And like the little car that almost got me, and almost the closest
resemblance is if you ever remember the Toyota MR two's, Remember those little white
shaped cars. Yeah, it looked like an MR two that was made of
lego bricks basically, and it was silver gray and the windows were literally opaque
black, so weird. No human being could have seen out of the windshield.
There's tent, doesn't They don't make tint like that. It didn't look
tinted. It looked like someone did. It was a spray cant. And
like I said that, that one was probably even more scarier because I watched
that didn't go within a couple feet in my front wheel, Like, had
I not grabbed the brakes here again, had I not do grabbed the brakes
just because that car next to me did it. I wouldn't be talking to
you right now, you know. They would just thought it was a driver
that ran a red and got me, and no one would have ever known
the paranormal aspect of, oh, this dude just got murdered on purpose.
And that's what really bugged me. That it angered me because you know,
even to this day that I feel I have a lot of control over this
stuff, it still doesn't mean I don't get angry. I mean, you
can get attacked in dreams. I mean, how many folks out there that
are going to listen to this episode in the comments, you know, talk
about some of the horrible dreams you've had. And you know, demons and
Satan in general, they know they'll customize, they'll customize, picking on you,
knowing what is near and dear to you and what's not. And you
know I won't I don't want to get into this next Sunday, but I'll
tell you that just the pretext, but I won't go into detail. But
my father's been passed away now for ten eleven years now, and I've had
dreams where whoever you want to say, Satan or demons whatever. They've used
my father in dreams against me in a demonic way as all I'll say.
So, you know, don't be surprised if you know you're doing the right
thing and you start getting these attacks. I mean, I won't get into
you know, I won't start preaching and put everybody to sleep. But you
know, scripture says that you know you will you know it sound at matter
if it's when you will get you know, affected negatively by these things when
you're doing the right thing. And I really, I really believe that's the
motivation because it never fails. Anytime I'm helping someone. I know, if
I don't really a protection over myself, I'm going to get it. With
that being said, let's talk about the situation that was going on at the
time of those incidents where you're helping the person in New Jersey. Yeah,
so the person in question is someone that you know, Matt, so you'll
be able to you know, vounce through some of these things. Here a
nice person at least talk to you online for many years. And she's the
one that I that we didn't touch upon the details, but when she called
me up, she's the one who said, you know, my seventeen year
old that won't go to church ever, as white as a ghost. He's
rocking back and forth in the clutching a Bible and he's scared to death.
Can you please talk to him? So this is another one of those situations
where and before I can go down this road, I want to give a
little bit of a disclaimer that I'm not into you know, crystal balls,
tarot cards, psychic genius, mediumship, any of this stuff. Everything I
do is from a Christian, you know, christ believing base. So anything
that I see or envision, I've always attributed that to something, you know,
a spiritual gift that God has allowed me to do some good to some
people. Because the only times I've ever used this skill, if you will,
is to help someone. So I just want to lay that out there
before I get into it, because I don't want to mislead people into thinking,
hey, let's go buy a weegie board and have some fun. No,
don't do that. That's a whole other conversation. Do not do that
anyway. I will certainly support that statement. Do not play with the board,
do not do not. Ever, it's not a game. So anyway,
so this lady called me up and we hadn't spoken in a few years.
It was off and on, you know, we spoke just to keep
in touch, but I contour in a few years. And so she told
me that her son had this friend and ever since the friend, she had
a lot of She didn't know if it was in the form of witchcraft or
Satanism or something, but this kid had a lot of power. And the
first time they realized that he was had the power is there's three kids,
like three kids involved. So it was her son a friend versus you know
in this guy, I think I want to say his name was Michael,
So I'm gonna call him Michael for the story. But so this Michael guy
told that her son and the kids one time, well you don't think I'm
legit, And I'm like, no, maybe you're not or something. So
he looked at the friend and said, how does your sides feel right now?
I feel like someone just pierced you with a blade like they did Jesus.
And all of a sudden, the kids just started grabbing a side and
like flopping around on the ground. And then she looked at her son and
said, oh, how's that nose bleed? And he goes, what are
you talking about? My nose is a bleeding. Before you got the words
out, his nose started gudging blood. So I'm not sure where this kid
was getting his power from, but it seemed that he had, you know,
some power. And so she said, well, you talked to my
son on the phone. So when she put him on the phone, I
started getting the way this works, like like Matt had told you guys the
story last time about how I was able to tell him about some paranormal activity
in his house that I couldn't have possibly known. I've never been to Matt's
house, but I was able to pick out detail and I get a vision.
It's almost like a movie screen. And I don't try to do it.
It just as I'm talking to people, it's happening. So I'm getting
a lot of, you know, information as this kid's talking to me.
And I said, so, I said, well, first and foremost,
stop smoking weed and getting drunk. And the kid goes, how do you
know I'm doing that? And I said, well, I just know.
So if you're under the influence of any kind of alcohol or drugs of any
kind, prescription or whatever, it opens yourself up to demonic influences, and
that's advice I give anybody. So I told him that. He started becoming
amazed because I knew these things. And then I said, I was just
start repeating when I was singing in my head, and I said, oh,
tell your female friend, do not go with this guy down to the
lake. That will end poorly. And the kid was freaking out. He's
like, how did you know? You know, he just asked my you
know, like a buddy, female buddy, you know, if she wanted
to go to lake. All stuff. So all these things start piling up,
and then I got a a vision of this kid of a baseball diamond
up the hill from her house. And this kid was he'd be in the
bushes watching them whenever they came and went. So I said, do you
happened to have a baseball field up the hill from you? And he said
yeah, And I said, well that's where he's watching you come and go.
Do you think find it weird that he knows when you right when you
come home he calls you, or when you're leaving or whatever. He goes,
Yeah, it is weird. So I told him that's how he was
doing it. So I started giving him skills as to how to fight back
with this kid, and most of them are just easy of being in the
word of you know, being more in the word of God, and you
know, just praying to God for protection before you go out, and just
stop hanging out with this kid altogether. So he was able to do that.
And then I told him it was in the fall, and I told
him, don't go out for Halloween. He said, why not, I
go, just don't, So he didn't heed my advice. He went out
for Halloween. He called me a couple of days after Halloween and said,
man, were you ever right about Halloweens? What do you mean? He
says, Well, my friends and I went to this party. I go.
He goes, even though you told me I shouldn't go out, I
did. We went to a party, and he goes, suddenly I started
feeling really weird about a half an hour after I got there, so I
told my friends let's go. So we all left, and he said,
about, you know, half an hour after we left, some guy came
in and shot a couple of people at the party. So he goes,
you know, thank goodness, we weren't there, you know, thank thank
you for the advice and he kind of started believing it. But so while
this was happening, the lady that meant I know was going on vacation and
she raised fries like German shepherd dogs, and all of a sudden, some
weird stuff started happening to her, and I said, have you seen a
like a shadow person in your house just watching you? She goes, yeah,
how'd you know? And I said, well, it's from this kid
again. So I gave her some skills. And then this part of the
story is pretty sad because she said when she came back from vacation, her
dog like died the same day she came back or whatever. And I don't
know why the vet didn't do an autops here. She wasn't sure how the
dog died. But in talking to her, like I said, I started
seeing these pictures and I saw I saw something in a pile of gravel in
her backyard. I've never been to her house, so I said, I'm
just going to call her Barbara, for the sake of this story. And
I said, hey, Barbara, do you have a a pile of gravel
in your backyard? She said, well, yeah, it's a matter of
fact, I do. And I said, I hate to say this because
I know what you're gonna find, but you need to dig. You need
to dig under that right in the center. You need to dig under it.
So she digs down a few seconds and then all of a sudden she
comes back to phone and she's crying, and I said, what do you
find? She goes a block or rap poison wrapped in bacon and I said,
yeah, you know, someone poisoned your dog. It wasn't dog didn't
die natural cause someone poisoned it. So then on top of all this,
I said, do you back up to like a national forest or a bunch
of trees? She said, yeah, it's a matter of fact. I
and they said, well you have a blue tarp covernant like a big section,
and she's like laugh. At this point, she goes, how in
the heck are you seeing all this stuff? I go, just I hate
to say this, but you gotta pull that tarp up. And she pulled
the tarp up and there was a pentagram burned into the ground with candles,
like you know, burnt candles, where it looked as if someone had done
some kind of you know, ritual or something. So I said, you
need to call the police now at this point, so she called the police.
You know, they didn't have any evidence to convict this kid, but
I know it was him, so she called the police. She put up
I suggested to her, she put up some game cams around her backyard to
make sure the kid didn't come back, and through some different channels, you
know, the kid ended up going away. But that was a pretty like
a pretty gnarly, you know case. Just because she's a friend. I
felt sorry as a parent, and I'm a dog lover, so you know,
this whole case was really kind of a rough one for me. Yeah,
but that was going on right before the h the two day in a
row incident there, and I think it was because I was trying to help
that kid. I had another incidence where a bunch of activity ramped up after
one of the secretaries I had my job had moved to Boise, Idaho,
and she called me one day because she she saw a lot of paranormal stuff
at work and that was around me, and she said, you know,
sometimes you could think of stuff and figure it out. And I'm like yeah,
and she said, well, my next star neighbor's daughter who's like seven
years old, got attacked and someone chased the guy away. But you know,
can you figure out as guy could come back. Was he trying to
kill her? Was he trying to you know, molest her, you know,
could you try and figure it out? And so this one was so
intense. You know, we're we're talking now, we're not speaking on the
phone, we're typing, we're emailing each other. So all of a sudden,
I start thinking about and I've seen this whole scenario, and so I
start typing and I said, he was trying to kill her, He is
coming back. And then I saw a little girl walking down a canal and
I saw this guy coming behind her, and I said, and I'm literally
typing in red now and blocklare saying, OMG, please tell the girl stay
out of the canal. And the secretary she said, she said, oh
my goodness. You know there's a canal that runs right buyernhouse, and we've
told her a couple of times not to use it as a shortcut because some
of the kids in the neighborhood us as a shortcut. I said, well,
tell her not to because this guy's cut this guy that's just in and
out of your her. This canal. So I'm telling her, I'm like
an emergency, like deaf con I'm smashing the keys. I'm like, please
tell her mother, now, tell her not to you know. And then
I said, I can even tell you what the guy looks like. She
goes, really, and I go, yeah, he's a guy in his
thirties. He's got red hair, he has a red goteine. He wears
eyeglasses. I said, tell the police that's who they're looking for. And
please warn the mother, Like, as soon as you get done with me,
here, go next door wherever she lives, and tell her keep her
kid out of canal. So not much time passes, four days, maybe
five days, and now she calls me up. She sends me an email
and says call me. So I call her and she says, you're not
gonna believe what happened. And I said what happened? She goes, they
caught the guy and I said really, and I go, they caught him
in the canal, right, She goes, yep, the police. The
mother told the police what you said, So they staked out the canal and
caught him going up to the little girl's house trying. They waited till you
wound their proper and then they nabbed them. She goes, you're not gonna
believe this. She goes, you'd better be sitting down because I'm gonna email
you. They put the dude's photo in the newspaper. She says, you'd
better be sitting down because you ain't gonna believe it. When I send it
to I said, okay, she said it to me, Matt, guess
what red hair, goatee, glasses the exact dude. I'd see. Wow.
Yeah, So her, her neighbor actually sent me a letter, you
know, saying, oh, thank you so much, you saved my daughter's
life. And I corrected her and I said, well, thank you for
the compliment, but no, God saved your child's life. I was just
happy to be there to help. But that was a pretty wild story that
I'm still in contact with my old secretary from time to time and still bring
it up every once in a while. And uh so, you know,
I try to use those things, you know, for the benefit of others,
you know, I try. I try to help people, as when
I was going through all that stuff, you know, for you know,
forty five years or so, I was a victim and so The reason I
try to tell people my story and I tell them how they can, you
know, kind of defend themselves against this stuff is because I wish someone would
have helped me, because I was like the man without a country. Churches
were disinterested they you know, like I said the previous thing, I called
a lot of churches, and I didn't get any help, you know,
from the churches or whatever. And even to this day, I'm still seeing
stuff almost on a weekly basis. I was out last a week ago.
Saturday. I go out on Saturday doing almost work, and there's a homeless
center and it's got a real dark cloud over it. It's got a real
weird energy. And anytime I go into premises, I pray before and after
just to make sure. And there's it's surrounded by these big trees. And
the other day I was done with the ministry. I'd packed my truck up,
you know, because I'm doing it on the streets. I'd packed my
truck up, and I was talking one of the guys that helps me volunteer,
and I'm talking to him and something catches me up in the tree and
I see a creature that could only come out of like a comic book or
something. It's huge, and I'm watching it like stair step down this tree,
like it's jumping from limb to limb. The trees I'm talking to a
huge tree is I could probably a fifty foot elm tree or something. And
this thing's jumping from branch to branch and it hits the ground and looks at
me, and I'm like, holy, you know what. Now, had
it taken a step toward me, I would have stepped around the guy I
was talking to to get between him and whatever this thing is. But when
it hit the ground, and then I think they they're so kind of surprised.
I can see them a lot of times. And when we locked eyes
and it and it dissipated. But it was one of the most task looking
creatures that I've ever seen. It looked like it looked like something out of
a comic book. So, you know, people think this stuff is fake
or they think that, you know, the Devil's like the guy in the
little uh you know, a little guy with horns and a tail and the
pitchfork and a smile on his face. That's not it. I mean,
these these creatures are real, and uh, it doesn't you know, kind
of loop around back to you know, if some time I got it came
to a conclusion that, you know, because people describe Bigfoot as monsters and
very ugly and protests sometimes that there again, that falls into what these demons
look like. They're horrible things I see. I saw one thing one time
that, as funny as it sounds, that looked like a green version of
the cartoon Tasmanian Devil that was able to Yeah, it was able to open
its mouth about six feet and it had teeth that were a foot long.
I know that sounds wild, and I know it sounds like, oh wow,
that guy's crazy, but I'm just telling you what I saw. And
then came up behind the guy I was talking to you, and I literally
stepped in front of the thing and it dead stopped and looked down at me.
And then I couldn't say anything because the guy who was standing there.
You know, I didn't want to seem too crazy, but in my mind
I was like, not today, You'd have to get out of here,
you know, in the name of Jesus, you got to leave. And
it took off. But this stuff is real, you know. I hope
that people get anything out of this. It's just know that these things are
real. They're all around us at all times, and you don't have to
be affected by them or be tormented by them, because just saying leave in
the name of Jesus the simplest way I can tell you that works. They
one hundred percent of time they have to leave. I wanted to ask you
about something well. I wanted you to share another story that you had told
me years ago. We didn't get to it on the last episode that you're
on, so I was hoping that we could squeeze it into this one.
Okay, if you could talk about the thing you saw. I think you
were jogging or walking or something and I was following you. Oh yeah,
Oh my goodness. You know, my story's better than beat Man. I've
forgotten about. Oh my goodness. Yeah, this this one's going to be
really weld to people. But so, I used to be a long distance
runner, and I used to run about forty miles a week, and on
the weekends, I had a ten mile course that would take me from my
house to the beach, a mile back in the beach, and then back
up the same way. It was a little loop that I made up that
was exactly ten miles. So that was my Saturday run. So I go
on my Saturday run. I'm feeling great to sunshine in. You know a
lot of people think weird stephanely hemmed at midnight or whatever it is at nighttime
or it has to be dark. That's all nonsense. By the way,
and the real hours that you have to watch it are between two and four.
I would say three, being like the real time of the night's three
if you're going to pick a time for something going sideways. But anyway,
sun is shining. It's a summer man. I'm feeling good and I'm within
oh about a mile and a half of the house. So I'm kind of
in my cool down, you know, jogging mode, and I'm running fairly
slow, to be honest with you. And so there's a cemetery and there's
a train track that goes behind the cemetery, and you have to cross that
that train track, and there's no there's like sidewalk on one side of the
street. I know because he didn't no sidewalk on the other. So I
was on the no sidewalk side side and I was cutting over. I went
over the railroad tracks. I was cutting over to get back on the sidewalk
so I could run on the sidewalk. And as I cut over parallel to
the tracks, these tracks had big deep ditches on either side, is you
know train tracks do sometimes. And there was this guy in the bottom of
the train tracks and he saw I saw him as odd right off the bat
because he was wearing blue jeans and a T shirt, but he had no
shoes on. And as he was coming up this ditch, he was talking
gibberish like he was going his best way. I could, you know,
describe it. And if you if you guys, have ever seen someone who
has had polio or they kind of they dragged their back leg and then their
hips do like a rotation. Yeah, and then then they take a step
and their hips fall away and they drag and then they do kind of a
hip rotation with every step. So this guy was doing that. And the
reason I equate desks at the time, I was working with a guy who
had had polio. So that's how I equated to Oh that guys probably had
folio. And the one thing I noticed about him, and this was I'm
gonna say, now we're going back about thirty five years because I know my
son was not yet born yet, and oh no, I take that back.
He was born, So it would have been about thirty years ago roughly,
And it was right when people started talking about the disease AIDS, right
right, it was fairly new. So when I looked at this dude,
the one thing, I mean, we made eye contact. I got within
you know, maybe ten feet of him, and he had this big,
like kind of not looking thing on his forehead, like a i'm gonna call
it, like a boil, like you know, like a round protrusion of
skin or something. So my immediate thought was, oh, I didn't know
anything about AIDS, and so, you know, pardon my ignorance when I
tell the store. But I looked down him, I'm like, oh,
maybe he's got that weird AIDS thing. Because it was new, nobody knew
what it was about. I just knew it was like dangerous and you could
catch it from someone. So I thought, oh, man, this poor
guy, maybe he's got that disease. So I didn't think too much of
it, and I kept jogging. Well, all of a sudden, I
hear the gibberish again and I look behind me, and the guy's on the
sidewalk now, and he's still fairly weighs behind me, but now he's dragging
his leg still a little bit, but he's not doing the hip rotation like
he was. And I thought, man, that's odd. Ho the heck
does that change? You know that quick? That's really weird? So I
just kept jogging, and then all of a sudden, I hear the gibberish
again, like you see all I mean, I look behind him now this
time the dude's not dragging his is um leg at all, and he's almost
jogging. And when I look at him, he's all the skin who he
was a Caucasian looking like you know, you know what an average Caucasian white
guy would look like. But now I look at him and his skin is
is like a couple of shades of red. Like, what the heck?
Now? And how far behind you is he? Because like you're jogging at
the time, is he like keeping up with you or gaining on you?
Now? Well, at first he wasn't, but now he is. He's
like, now he's at this point, he's probably still twenty feet behind me.
However, he's now moving at my pace. So I'm just thinking,
how in the heck, can this guy be you know, changing how he
walks? And and when I look at him, his skin is red.
And I noticed that now he's got a few of these bubble things on his
arms that he didn't have before, and he wasn't red something. What the
heck? So now I'm not gonna I'm not too proud to say I'm a
little scared though. Yeah, so I pick up I picked up my pace
a little bit. Now, I pick up my pace now. The last
time I turn around, look he's gibberish at me. He's running at a
perfect gate like I am. He has no more impediment. And the last
time I turned around looked at him, Matt, he was within ten feet
of me, going full speed. And those little boil ball things are all
over his face, neck and his arms, so it's so prevalent it almost
looks like lizard like, like a lizard pattern. And this guy is now
going like it's almost like his speech was keeping up with like his pace,
if that makes sense. You know, he's running faster now is gibbers scotting
faster? So we got to this building that was our gas company building of
the town I was in. Now this gas company building had to be an
under yard long brick building. So I'm about halfway in that brick building and
he's probably a third way, like, he's probably twenty yards behind me now,
And all of a sudden, Matt, I start thinking to myself,
you know, I don't run from anyone, right And the only reason I'm
saying that because I hadn't yet figured out how to defeat these things spiritually.
But you know, I was playing ice hockey and I was kind I kind
of grew up fighting a lot and doing a lot of you know, martial
arts and stuff, and it wasn't like me to run from trouble. So
suddenly I got angry and I said, screw this, man, I'm just
going to turn around and take a swing. You know, I'm not running.
And all of a sudden, I turned around. I literally bawled up,
turned around, thinking, you know, about if the guy's still running,
he's gonna get to me in about three seconds at this pace. And
I turned around met and the dude's gone, and I'm like, how do
you vanish? I know he was like a physical manifestation, because you know,
I heard his feet slap in the ground. I heard the gibberish.
I came to two conclusions. The only possibility and if you saw the street.
I know it's maybe hard for the listeners, but it was a wide
open like there's no he couldn't have ducked down an alley because, like I
said, we're in the middle of this yard brick building. So in my
assessment, was one or two things happened. Either he vanished completely, or
he went up and was on the roof, you know what I mean,
Like he sprang up, And as crazy as it sounds, that's about the
only two options I could see. So I was so angry now and so
like confused and angry. When I got home, I remember walking in and
I remember my wife at the time say, oh, how was your run?
And I said, don't ask, and I went I was playing softball
at the time. I went to my bat bag and I pulled out one
of my looking ut softball bats, and I grabbed my car keys and I
said, I'll be back. It's just where are you going? And I
go, ah, you don't want to know. So I went back,
thinking, Okay, if I see this thing again, I'm going after it
with a ball bat. I parked over by the railroad, trashed by the
cemetery there where I'd seen him by the gas company there. I walked around
for about twenty minutes with that ball bat looking around. I saw nothing.
I even called the local police department and asked him have you had any reports
of a strange guy harassing anybody in this area? And they said, oh,
no, do you want to make a report? And I go,
no, thanks, now, am I going to make a report about that?
But that was one of the weirdest things. I don't know what the
heck that thing was, but to me, it seemed like something that appeared
human, or was able to appear human, that transformed into something else.
And like I said, the balls were so prevalent all over his arms and
face and neck. It made him look like a red reptile. It's so
weird. I mean, yeah, I couldn't make this up if I was
on you know, No, I remember the first time you told me,
Yeah, you know, I'm sure the story is the exact same, because
I remember it like it was yesterday. That was one of the weirdest things
I'd ever seen. That. And I saw a stickman one time that was
kind of weird too, But it was a hole on a stick man a
stickman. So I'm in my second house and I had a motor home at
the time, and I was in inside my motor home getting ready for a
trip like the next week or something, and I was cleaning the interior or
doing something, and I noticed something out of the corner. I walked down
the sidewalk the windshield of said RV. So I thought, well, when
it gets to the door. You know how RV doors, you know,
have the little screen door open. I had the door opened because it was
a hot day, and I thought, oh, you know, I'll see
whoever this is when they walked by the door, and I'll say, Hi,
maybe it's a neighbor, you know. It's what my thought was.
So I was just looking forward for no other reason, just to if it
was a neighbor, say hey, neighbor. So I just saw it out
of the corner of my eye. So I didn't know really who or what
it was. So it never like made it to the door, you know.
So that tells me, oh, well, whoever it was must have
stopped in my driveway. So I go to the door and I leaned out
and I look and I promised this is what I saw. I saw a
frigging stick man. It was a circle, you know, a torso two
arms and two legs, but just like black lines. And I looked at
like, what in the you know, a what am I seeing here?
What the heck? Well here again? I think this thing was surprised I
could see it, and I'm not kidding, Matt. I watched this thing
jump from the ground to the top of my roof and one bound it looked
back at me and then ran over the arch, you know, the arch
of the roof like. It ran towards the backyard, and I just freaked
out. I jumped out of that RV and ran to the backyard. I
had my side gate open. I ran to the backyard as fast as I
could run, and of course there was nothing there. I don't know where
it went, but yeah, stickman. I mean, did it look like
it was made out of flesh? No, it was just black lines,
just black lines. How big was it? I would say it wasn't quite
like adult like kids like maybe four foot like. It didn't look like a
human adult size, but it looked like, you know, a kid or
a teenager size probably, But yeah, a stick man. I've never seen
anything like that since. But these things come in all shapes and sizes.
I mean, I looked at a another. I mean, if there is
a next show, we can do an hour on just my workplaces. But
one of my workplaces one of the weirder things I worked for. One of
my jobs, I was working as a superbrising for a bakery and we had
bakery racks that, when they weren't used, were stacked in the back of
this building so a human being couldn't walk through them. That makes sense.
All the racks are stacked there unders of them. And I was talking to
a guy one time, and usually, if excuse me, usually, if
you know that area wasn't in use, you know that it would be dark.
So it was kind of dark. It was very lowly lit, and
I was talking to a guy, and all of a sudden, something caught
my eye in the midst of all these racks, and it looked like have
you ever seen those people that put on those body suits where you just see
the outline of their head and their body and there's no definition obviously, Yeah,
So it looked like someone in a white one of those but no arms,
just a torso in the head. And it looked like it was covered
in a white fur. And I'm looking at this thing, going what and
the heck is this? And as I make eye contact with it, it
goes back into the ground. But it goes like a snake like. It
goes like in an s like it. I don't know what the term is
for that, like it kind of wiggles in an S shape back down onto
the ground. Hold on a second, Yeah, So what you just described
to me sounds an awfully lot like what's referred to as the Fresno Nightcrawler.
Have you heard of that. I've heard the term is that the like the
rake light thing. It's or difference. So it started out as a viral
video on the Internet. I believe the video was a hoax. I don't
know that for a fact. I think it was possible to create the video,
but it was one or two things on video and it was in the
middle of a park in the middle of Fresno, California, at nighttime.
This guy supposedly recorded and they're just, I mean, just what you described.
They look like a person with no arms, but they're just solid white
and two legs walking upright, and they had a crazy gait. Their walk
was really crazy, and other people supposedly have seen them, and it's it's
a pretty popular cryptid, especially with the younger folks who are just really into
cryptids and all the obscure ones. It's definitely one of the more obscure ones.
But I've never heard you talk about it. And just like I mean,
I'm familiar obviously with your old job site and everything. It's not like
a retail bakery. It's a commercial bakery. It's a huge facility. It's
done, let's be clear about that. Yeah, we put out millions.
It's literally millions of loaves a week of bread. But it's interesting that it's
in California. And what you're describing sounds like the Fresno Nightcrawler. I'm about
one and a half to two hours from Fresno from where I'm right now.
Wow, so I'm not all that far. But that was one of the
more stranger things I had seen. There's another thing where I'd had a dream
about a black panther and the black panther had either like blue or green eyes.
But in the dream, oh, this is one of the ones.
I woke my poor wife up fighting it off. But in a dream.
I was with someone, and I don't know who the person was. It
probably it rolled into the story, but we walked into a room and then
this there was. I turned around and there was this black panther. There
were these you know, just glowing blue green, you know, pretty eyes,
and all of a sudden in the dream, I looked at and I
said, I know who you who and what you are, and the thing
changed march from a panther to a man, and it was like a good
looking, handsome guy, probably in the thirties, with black hair, almost
Middle East during it looked like very well dressed. And I said, I
know who and what you are, and I'm not afraid of you. And
at the time I had this cross that I used to wear on a necklace,
and in the dream, I was taking the cross, like tightening the
necklace and I putting it in his face, almost saying I'm not afraid of
you. You know, be gone. And I was like fighting this thing
in the dream, and then I woke up and so I thought, wow,
that was really weird, and I had looked it up, and I
think there's and maybe some of the maybe the people listening to the show can
help but I think there was a demon of some kind that said it.
It came as a panther, so about it couldn't have been within two weeks.
I'm at the bakery, and at the bakery it's very noisy, so
everybody is wearing ear plugs and hard hats and you know, because you're in
an industrial environment. So I was trying to get this guy's attention. One
of my crew leaders was walking. I was trying to get his attention.
So I'm kind of yelling at him to get his attention. And so I'm
watching him and he goes by this He walks by this ibam that's, you
know, just part of this industrial building that goes from floor to ceiling,
you know, thirty feet up. You know how when you say you walk
by a tree in the woods and you scare an animal and they, you
know, fly out of the tree, or a squirrel will run up the
bark or you know whatever. And I was yelling at this guy, and
right when he passed this beam. I'm not making this up, a panther
was running up the side of the beam, stopped, look right at me
with those green eyes, and went all the way up like you know,
to the ceiling and just vanished. Now, if someone can explain that to
me, I'd love to have an explanation. I have no idea what that
means, but I know that was what I had seen in my dream just
a few days prior. I don't have an explanation. No, I don't
either. There's a lot of things I've seen that I don't have any explanation
for. Yeah, like a whole other show we can talk about House number
two and some of my jobs. Yeah, there's some of the wildest stories,
like the bakery for some reason was super haunted, and so I'll just
share one that I think you guys will find interesting. And it's funny.
Now, hahaks. You know, wasn't happening to me. But we were
having all these instance where people were threatening to quit if I made them go
to certain areas of the bakery because people were getting plush pulled, things were
flying around. So one day, our baker is divided into production, which
is making the dough and turning it into bread and packaging, which after all
the bread is baked, it has to go in a bag and it gets
those little you know, the little clips that go on a bread. Well,
these clips come in these big roles. They are about three feet diameter
because they get loaded into like a machine that you know, attaches them to
the bread. After they're it's in the package and twisted, you know.
So one day we're I'm walked along and all of a sudden, one of
those things between me and one of the ladies working, just flies off this
rack and just flies right by my face like a frisbee. And I'm talking
this things like four feet diameter and probably weighs, you know, a good
three or four pounds. Maybe it just comes whizzing by. And the lady
looks at me like, what the hell, you know? And uh,
A lot of workers that these factories are Hispanic, and they're super very superstitious,
and they're very in tune, I think sometimes with paranormal stuff. So
I looked her and I just kind of shrugged my shoulders and I went and
picked it up, and I put it back on the rack. Well like
two minutes later, I walk about ten feet and then all of a sudden,
the lights and that half of the building start going on and off.
Now picture a whole factory in half of the building is now going you know,
on off, on, off, on, off, and it did
it like five times, to the point where these ladies are screaming and crying.
Chris, please make it stop, Chrys help us. And I'm like,
you know, what could I possibly do? You know, but we
had a lot of crazy stuff happened there. Like I said, I'll save
the good ones for next time. But for whatever reason, wherever I go,
you know, if you hang around with me long enough, you're probably
gonna see her here or experience something. After our last episode, not too
long after that, you called me something interesting had happened, and then it
kind of snowballed into a little bit more than that. Could you tell that
story about the homeless woman you prayed with? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I don't mind telling me telling you her name. Her name
is Kim. And this is totally bizarre, and this is a good fitting
way to kind of So for some reason, I've been doing this homeless ministry
for the better part of a year now, and I've got I've started my
own and I'm doing I'm very proud of and thankful for that I get to
do it. And so a few weeks back, some of the people in
this homeless center, some of them have vehicles. They're just homeless. So
these two ladies their roommates, and they're in this little car. It's kind
of like a little smart car type thing. And I hadn't I hadn't talked
to them before, and they pulled up where I was and they said,
hey, can we talk to you for a moment. I said sure,
So I went over to their car, and right away they wanted to talk
about spiritual warfare, and both of them said they were having problems, and
so, you know, I gave them a few chips and my suggestion on
what to do, and they said, okay, thank you, we appreciate
it, and they pulled into the shelter. So a few minutes later,
one of the ladies, the lady there was a passenger, comes out and
before she even gets to me, she just starts crying. And I said,
what's going on? And she said, well, I didn't want to
say some in front of my friend, but I'm really having problems. She's
like, you know, I tried to think of myself as a person to
God, but you know, these demons just keep trying to drag me into
doing these different things, and you know, I just can't seem to get
a handle on this, and I said, you know, can we pray
about this right now? And she said okay. So I put my hand
on her shoulder and I started praying for it. And I was explaining to
her, look, if you're a person of God, what's inside of you
is greater than what's in the world, which is translation is God is way
more powerful than Satan. And if you have God inside you, you have
nothing to fear with Satan or a demon. So I was telling her this,
and I was kind of getting into it where I thought the Holy Spirit
was kind of so I was kind of kind of preaching a little bit.
And for some reason, I have my eyes closed, my head down,
so we are praying. All of a sudden, for some reason, I
opened my eyes and I looked over this lady's hands and they were glowing.
And so I'm looking around now, like, okay, what's making this light
going this lady's hands, And there's no there's nothing we're in like bright sunlight,
so there's nothing making the making her hands glow. And I'm up my
hands and my hands are okay. And I look at her face and her
face is okay. Just her hands so I say, well, this must
be something happening. So I keep praying foreign and I close my eyes again,
I pray some more foreign. Then when I opened my eyes at the
end of the prayer, her hands were back to normal. And so I
didn't tell her at first, but I was really fired up after the prayer
and she's crying and everything. I said, look, you're gonna have the
best week you've ever had. I said, you're gonna go share this with
your friends. All these temptations because she's under a temptation to she's trying to
stop using whatever it is that she's using. So I said, you're gonna
go have the best week ever, and this is wine. So I talked
to her again, she went away. So a few days later, I
have a friend and I'm pretty sure Matt would know him if I told him
his name, but I won't tell him his name. But he's also a
he's a paranormal research guy as well, and he as also a very strong
Christian. So I hadn't talked to this guy in a while, and so
I was talking to him and he said, yeah, I've been having a
lot of really big revelations from God. And he's been telling me a lot
of things and showing me a lot of things. I go, really,
and he goes, yeah, So he literally and I'm pretty sure I copied
sent this to Matt to show him, but he typed out, God showed
me a vision of a guy praying with someone on the streets. Their hands
started glowing gold. The person then went back and told their friends and family
about it, and then some something. It was exacting and I about fainted
when I read this, and I texted him, I said, you got
to call me because that actually happened like three days ago. So he called
me. We ended up spending like an hour and a half on the phone,
and he told me that this is exactly what God had showed him in
a vision. This lady now that I'm speaking of, I saw her on
Saturday. She's showing me her thirty days sober chip and said she hasn't used
since we prayed. So a pretty amazing story of, you know, God's
triumph over over this kind of evil stuff, and the fact that I think
a lot of this stuff was connected, like what Matt and I were talking
about at the start of the show, because I think a lot of this
paranormal stuff is connected, and I think a lot of the good things in
life that people are doing are also connected somehow, some way, and all
these things fell into place, and you could call a coincidence if you want.
I don't believe in coincidence. I believe that there's divine appointments, is
what I call them. And I could go on and on about how I
have a whiteboard that i'll put a Bible verse. I saw him every week,
and I share it with the people. It's a good icebreaker. Hey,
would you like to check out I saw him in the week. Every
single time someone someone or another will look at that and it will bring some
kind of an emotional response. This isn't because I'm, you know, some
kind of great you know, evangelist or anything. But I think it's I
really do think it's God's divine appointments that in the world we're living in today.
I think that we're going to see our world get darker in some ways
in the way our world is getting and I think it's also going to show
brighter for those people who are willing to want to be in the light versus
the dark. And I'm pretty sure because every single week that I go out.
Someone talks to me about spiritual warfare, it doesn't fail. I never
bring it up. For some reason. They look at me and they say,
well, it seems like you know about this. Can you help me.
There's another lady real quick, she almost got kicked out of the shelter
because she was burning sage in her room. And I said, why you
burning sage in your room? She said, well, I was trying to
get rid of the evil spirits. I said, you're inviting him in by
burning sage. Don't do it. So those of you that think that's helping
clear out spirits in your house whatever, I'm sorry to say, you've been
misinformed. It's actually does the opposite. So please don't do that. And
I'm sure there'll be people that disagree with me. I was just thinking the
comments are going to blow up, for sure. I have a lot of
friends are Native American and that's I know that that's where that comes from.
And I respect. Look, I respect everybody wanting to do I'm not disrespecting
anybody, and but I know there'll be people of disagreement to me, and
that's okay. But just from my experience, I find that when people have
done that it's made their situation worse. So I that was just last week.
I've got to check in what they're I'll probably see here tomorrow or Saturday,
but next time, next time we get together, I can let you
know how she's doing. But she's having some really horrible issues. And you
know, it's a combination of the way the world's going. There's obviously some
drug addiction going on there and mental illness mixed in, but there's also a
very high probability that allow these folks are also having some spiritual issues. And
that's just what based on my lifetime of experience with this stuff, that's just
what I see. And so you know, I try to give people the
best advice I could give them. And so, like I said, no
disrespect from folks that want to do this age, but from my point of
view, I think it makes things worse in all the situations I've seen people
do it well. I mean, anytime you're talking about matters of faith and
belief, you know, especially obviously this episode had a lot of talk of
God and you know, Christian beliefs for lack of a better term, And
it's not meant to offend anyone or tell somebody necessarily that you know, if
you don't believe this, you know, you can't take anything away from it.
Obviously, we're sharing information, we're sharing events and experiences, and if
somebody can gain something from that in a positive way, that's fantastic. If
not enjoy the entertainment, at least I can say from my own personal standpoint,
after the incident happened with the lady that you were praying with whose hands
started glowing, you called me and you asked me if it was something I
had ever heard of of people glowing, And I mean, it hit me
like a ton of bricks. Man. I got emotional. I started tearing
up. I mean, you know, in my own personal life, I'm
dealing with a lot of health issues, I'm going through a lot of stuff,
and I had a personal experience involving that very thing whenever I was very
young. That was one of the first spiritual events that happened in my life.
So it hit close to home. And there, I mean, nobody,
nobody, I I you know, I would challenge anybody to find someone
in my life that knew about that. So there was absolutely, of course,
no way that you could have known about it, and just the fact
that you randomly called me and asked me if I knew anything about it.
I mean, I think that happened for a reason. I also think all
this stuff is connected. I agree with you one. I think different stories
are put out there for sason. You know, you feel compelled to tell
a story, and then someone out there listening happens to hear it who needs
it. At the time, I was contacted by a listener after our last
show. I hadn't told you this. I don't want to give away too
much information, you know, I don't have their permission to, you know,
say who they are or where they live or anything. But this individual
contact to me. They were listening to your episode and they said, I
couldn't believe what I was hearing. I had an incident at my home where
a crow was in my house. Yeah, suddenly, no way it could
have gotten in. There's no there's no openings. It wasn't in there before.
The house is completely silled. This individual's house, it was a very
small home. You know, it's like the dead of winter. I think
they said, you know, there was like snow on the girl round and
everything, and then there's just no way for this bird to get in.
They heard a commotion and they walked in the room and there it was,
and they were eventually able to get it out, but they just couldn't believe
that they were hearing you share the same exact experience, you know on the
show. Yeah, And I you know, like I said, I think,
I think there's a vast connection that maybe even as humans we just can't
wrap our head around. And maybe someday we will know. But I think
positive stuff, like I'll just call it, the things of light are connected,
like the glowing hands and my friend having the vision and being connected to
you personally, that's an absolute connection. To me. That's not a random
event. It's a divine appointment. The same thing on the dark stuff.
I think someday we're gonna find that UFOs, cryptids, demons, they're all
connected. And I think a lot of it, like I really think a
lot of it is just to take us take this off our game, because
if you have a say, a bigfoot encounter that's really personal to you and
it affects you deeply, you may spend the rest of your waking hours of
your life. Man, We've we've heard this from friends of ours, have
done this. They pretty much that's the only thing they think of now.
They eat sleep and whatever does Bigfoot or eat sleep, ufo or each sleep,
ghost hunt fill in the blanks. And to me, if you're doing
that, you're not spending enough time in the world, like worrying about God
and having a relationship with God and maybe being in the Word, or you
know, having a relationship with folks at church if you go to church or
whatever. You know, it's a twenty four hour day. How much time
do we give to God or good things in our life, or even your
family and your friends and your job, and you know, the list goes
on and on. And I really think that the dark stuff, if I
had to like wrap it up in a box, so I think a lot
of those dark things are those weird paranormal events are meant to disrupt, to
mess with your faith, to disrupt you and get you off your game.
And I think all those good things that happened are things are meant to try
and bring you back to a focus of let's worry about light and not dark.
As much stuff that goes out of my life. I was that guy
man for many many years. I was obsessed with it because I was.
I was being tormented, and then when I feared out how to battle back,
I became obsessed with helping people through it, which isn't necessarily a bad
thing, but it took up a lot of my time and energy. Now
this is just me talking. I let kind of taking my hand off the
wheel, letting God steer the ship. And as there's opportunity for me to
help someone, or an opportunity like it to come on your show and possibly
help someone that's having a hard time, that's awesome. I'll do it.
It's not it's not my uh. I don't obsess about it anymore. It
just becomes a part of my life, not my life, if that makes
sense. And to that point, if I mean, I'm more than willing
man. If any of your listeners want to contact you and they're having a
you know, an ongoing problem that they feel they can really use hope on,
I'm absolutely volunteering to help out anybody that that needs help. If you
want to contact Matt and you know, he could pass on your information to
me, and if there's something I can do to help, I'm glad to
do it because I wish I would have had someone helping me for those forty
five or so years where I felt like I was just a constant victim of
all this stuff. Chris, thank you again for coming on and sharing your
experiences and your wisdom whenever it pertains to these matters. Sir, Yeah,
thank you for having me. I really enjoyed it, and I always look
forward to reading the comments. You know, and and hopefully there's there was
something both entertaining and helpful that came out of today, and I look forward
to doing a part three someday if you'd like, that would be amazing.
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