#240 - Hit Songs That Were Not Sung by the Lead Singer + Jaren from The Cadillac Three on What It Means to Be A Music Producer

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode to forty. Eddie, stay with me for the first part and we'll talk to Jarrend from Cadillac three in a little bit. Catac three has a newish record out, but I'm a big fan of that guy, so we'll talk to him coming up. But first, Eddie, how are you today? I'm good man, how are you pretty good? Uh? Promote your podcast before we get started. Yes, The Sore Losers. It's a It's me Raimundo and Lunchbox from the show. Um, you know, and we're just guys. We do a lot of guy talk. We also talk about sports, but right now it's really hard to talk about sports because there just ain't any sports, So we tell little stories of our lives and what we're doing in quarantine and all that. And I think Ray is one of the funniest guys in the world. So it's just there's a lot of humor in it. Uh, The Sore Losers. That's Eddie's payment for coming on as a special correspondent here. Yes, thank you, I'll bill you. But also, Eddie is a massive music nerd like I am. I think we probably could have done this podcast together, you know, because we both to such music nerds, but um, what I wanted to talk about today? Do you know the topic today? I do. Mike d told me it's ten big hits that were not sung by the lead singer, which is super interesting. Now you may have heard me talk about the Oasis one already, is that right? Yeah? Well, I've heard you guys play clips, so I'm like, I cannot wait to hear this. I don't know the story though, Okay, so this is Don't Look Back at Anger Oasis, which, by the way, what's the story Morning Glory was for that time I was fifteen slash sixteen year old kid. This album to me is one of the biggest records that came out for my teenage years. I didn't become an Oasis super fan for a lifetime because they didn't put anything else. I really like, maybe a song on a later record, but this was This was it though for me. I loved it, you know, top fifteen album of life. I remember in high school Alison Wheelock, hottest girl in high school she was. She came up to me because she knows I'm a big music fan. She came up to me and she's like, have you heard like the new Oasis album? And I was like, yes, so now forever in my mind, hot girl in high school and I we bonded over Oasis and what's the story Morning Glory. That's funny because my I remember Aubrey Mitchell coming of him and she had this record at her house and I knew all the songs and I was like, oh, yeah, we can because I wasn't cool and she was like the super cool, popular, pretty good but it was like almost one of the She would talk to me about church and about music and that was all I had. Otherwise why would you talk to me? But so this record comes out, uh Don't Look Back at Anger as a song that I just played here. If you play that again, Mike, Sorry, we talked over them. So it was sung by Noel Gallagher, who's not the lead singer. Liam is the lead singer of Oasis, but this was the first single where Noel sang instead of Liam. He went to Liam and he had two songs. He said, Ilam, I got two songs for you yet, and you can pick which one you want me to sing, and he presented him wonder Wall and Don't Look Back at Anger, and of course Liam chose wonder Wall, but that is Noel singing don't Look Back at Anger and here's one. But this song again, it was like the ultimate teenage song, and we thought we were just like struggling with live the all the sadness out of this song. What was your favorite out of these two bones? Well, I think there, I think they're different. And by the way, when I did Top fifteen albums, I don't even telling me fifteen favorite albums, I mean top fifteen impression albums. Sure, sure made a big impression. Yes, that like when I think back at certain eras of my life. Um ah, I think wonder Wall hit me hard and scoot me up as to make me a fan of the band because it was a bigger radio song. But if I had to pick now with a lifetime to live with them, and which one I listened to most, probably don't Look Back in Anger. Yeah, same for me because wonder Wall was a hit. Yeah, I mean that was the one that we listened to all the time on the radio. But I remember I saw them at Austin City Limits Music Festival and they played Don't Look Back at Anger, and I was like, wow, I completely missed on how good this song is. And I still probably listened to that song now more than wonder Wall. Well, there's always Champagne Supernova. You can't forget about Champagne Supernova on that record because it was wonder Wall. Champagne Supernova was a big hit for them. Don't Look Back at Anger was a hit for them, but not not how freaking wonder Wall just launched and created a whole era of white kids with acoustic guitars at parties. The New three songs, but that was the one they played over and over again. So okay, that was one song. That's pretty fun, right. The lead singer don't even sing that song. But the thing about always was those two guys look so similar anyway, those two brothers, they sound the same and you know, right, so it's a fun fact, but they don't really sound a whole lot different. Okay. The next one up is the Eagles song is take It to the Limit. What do you know? Okay, So I think is it the Basis that sings it? Yeah. The only way I know this is because when we went to go see him at the show, I'm like, hey, look at that guy I don't know who, I don't know his name, and he singing. Did he win? A contest. Was he call or ten to be able to do this? It's amazing both. Do you remember he broke his foot or something and he was sitting down with his foot up the whole show. I don't. I knew this from the documentary when I really saw it, because it was like he was singing it and they were talking about are they all sang? But he's sang the least. This is the bassist because he's saying, Hi, do take it? Sung by the original bassist Randy Meisner. Randy's performance of the song was popular with the audiences, but disputes over his reluctance to perform it would also directly lead to his departure from the band. Now, if I'm not mistaken, he came back. They all came back. Uh, if they're alive, they came back. Yeah, even Joe Walsh. Yeah. So, but the Eagles, they didn't really have a lead, lead, lead singer, and that person changed. Maybe that's what you know. The leadsing are kind of changed with the Eagles a little bit. But I mean, I think the only one that would be Glenn Fry because he was the front man. And you know, when Don Henley started singing. He was singing from the drums, wasn't the lead singer, but kind of had a voice that you couldn't say no to. So he started getting more and more songs, so that the leadsing are kind of transitioned in that band more than they started with the going we have multiple lead singers, right? And who was the guy that you that you read his book or something? I think he wrote, Um, well, first of all, California, Joe Walsh and I presented the c M as together. Right, I'm not talking about him though. How many how many Eagles can you name? Okay, Joe Wash Glenn Fry? Uh? You know what? What what is Glenn Fry like to you? What is he to you? He is the lead the lead guy is because at this point after all the and again that they weren't our band, right, they're little older than us. But to me, Don Henley is the lead singer of the Eagles. Yeah to me, he's the drummer. Yeah that too, but um, okay, go ahead, who else Don Henley? And I think the guy that I was thinking of was Don Felder. That's it? Yeah, good, good for you. There's been a bunch of them so there's been Let me look at this whole thing here. There's a lot of people have been in the freaking Eagles, but they're not the main ones, right, Vince Gill, he's listed. Yeah, Timothy B. Schmidt too is listed, and I think he's sang on some of them as well, did it, Mike? We look up and see if if I'm reading his name is Timothy B. Schmidt, But it seems like I've seen him singing songs too, he has any singles? Because I feel like the Eagles could have could have been put in this category a bunch. Did they ever put um Jackson Brown in that list? In the list that I have now? No, But I just googled other members of the Eagles. What songs did he sing? Mike, I'm not coming up who we're onto the next one? Anyways? Let me have to find any move on Blue Oyster Cold ninety six Don't Fear the Reaper? Nice? That's the cow bell song. Yeah, like their biggest song, basically yes, sung by guitarists Buck Dharma, who was not the lead singer. Released as an edited single, the song was Blue Oyster Colt's highest chart success release, reaching number twelve. That to be fair. All five members of Blue Oyster Colts sing, and Eric Bloom was the most frequent lead singer, but and Buck did sing on tracks, but he wasn't the lead singer. But their biggest song wasn't lead singer. I would always get so annoyed because I like the Google Dolls. You can judge me if you want love nineties early two thousands, still like them, like Johnny Resis, but they left the Bassis always thing like two or three songs for the record, always sound like Mike if you can find a Google Dolls with that Bassis singing. And then I went and watched him again a couple of years ago in Nashville, and the Basis got up and sanging a couple of songs, and I was always like, but it would get up another he would like he had long hair. I don't know if he has long here anymore, but he was like head bang while he's saying he just felt like Google Dolls stuff. I feel like it was an agreement they made way early in the band, or like listen, Chuck, we'll give you two songs every record. Just play the bass force man, you're the best. Mike will come back to the Google Dolls. Whenever you find that his name is Robbie though, Oh yeah, Robbie, listen, man, we know you're you're a terror with the bass. But me and I want to I want to sing. Yeah, But Robbie, listen, you're not as good as Johnny. He looks good, he sounds good. But I just got it in me. But Robbie, I think that is it. Okay, here, Eddie, this is the basis of the Google Dolls. Oh come on, yeah, let me leave me hear some more of that. He's not bad, He's just not the Google Dolls. No, that's the thing. Man leads. These lead singers voices, they are the sound of the band. So when you bring in Jimmy or whatever, like everyone's like, who is this? I always get I've probably seen them ten times in concert. That's a lot, and I wo'd always get. So I'll be like, all right, here we go. Well, Billy, the basis, he's gotta take us nine minutes. So I didn't know that you were that big of a Google Dolls fan. I wouldn't say they're one of my favorite bands of all time, but I would go and I love Dizzy up to girl a boy named Goo. Those were records that I knew every song too. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not embarrassed though. I would have Johnny Resnick on our show if you came to town, like you would play Yeah, here comes the Sun from the Beatles. Have you known this one comes? And you know sings this? Yeah, George, he wrote it. I'm telling you, I played this game with my kids. This is what we do all the time. We're like, all right, which Beatles singing this one? Really? And they're getting yeah, and they're getting pretty good at it. They can start to hear the tones like their voice. I think the two that they just get mixed up a lot, or just obviously Paul and John, because sometimes sometimes they sound similar. George Harrison wrote the song in nineteen nine at the country house of his friend Eric Clapton. It became one of the beatles best known songs. George Harrison's recognition of the songwriter had previously been reserved for his bandmates John Lennon and Paul McCartney. Only so, just like Jimmy from Google Dolls, I think I feel like Ringo two had some side of backdoor deal that was like, hey, you gotta let me sing on albums too well, because they lend me and not saying us song I will try not to get You know that's a ring Go right and Yellow Submarine. Oh yeah, that's right. It's like the peculiar songs they put the peculiar voice on, right. That's interesting. Yeah, oh we got we got a mash up here. Oh come on, DJ Distro knows where we've been. Yeah, it's like any of the talk songs they gave to Ringo. It's like the songs that William Shatner does now and the Shatner type songs they just gave Slam poetry is what he does. Another one Africa from Toto Here he Goes, sung by the keyboardist David Page. It was the band's only number one song. The initial idea and lyrics for the song came from David Page. He was playing around with a new keyboard, the C S A D and found a brassy sound that became the opening riff. He completed the melody and the lyrics for the chorus and about ten minutes and then sang on the recording. The leader, the lead singer, Bobby Kimball, only sing backup. I have a friend that saw him in concert, and he said, this was kind of weird when they played this song because the keyboard played and singing, the other guy, the lead singer, was on a little stage aside from the rest of the band, and it was the only time where you just kind of stood over there oddly and didn't really do much. They're like, all right, Jimmy, take it away. The Cars eight just what I needed. It was from their debut album. The song, which it's demo is what got put on the radio. It's sung by bass player Benjamin Or and not by Rick Okay Rick Okay sick as I think I say his name right. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy because I don't hear the difference between their voices, because I feel like this song sounds like every other car song. What's the most streamed car song? Like anybody think the most streamed car song is? I would think it's um done done, Ut, I don't tend your him in here wasting all my time toime. Oh that's just what I needed, isn't it? Um So just what I needed? Yeah? What is it? It's dr Oh? Yeah? Which one is that one who's going to drive you home? And this has got to be from movies more so than back in the day, right, like movies and TV shows. What's number two on the list? Just what I needed? What's three? And my best friends girl? My best friends girl? Oh yeah right there? Doesn't that sound like the same dude that sings just what I needed? I gotta tell you I never listened or cared that much. I mean, I like the song what's number four? Number four is? You might think hit that one. Let's see. Oh yeah, I'm sorry this one isn't bigger at three. At least it's a good one. They all have the same style. That's funny to me this I see. That's a good fact that there. That Benny is his name ben the dude that's saying just what I needed? Benjamin or Benny Eddie's pready nicknamed Betty my man Fanny got crazy. Oh no, that's a good one. That. Wow, they have any other hits? Good Time's role as the next one? Come on, that's a good times role. God, that's a jam too. Are they in the Rocking Hall of Fame? Aren't they up for it? Are an they one of the ones that's been snubbed? At this point when you have this many massive hits, Yeah, that's a jam. They made it. Huh, so they must have another hit at least right if they got in you're thinking one more, I'm thinking any one more? You need six? What else you got? Let's see moving in stereo, see that one? H hit? The next one? Let's go, oh Starren Arron down? Oh yeah, I know this one. Okay, we got the six, but we got the six. What's what's the next one? Magic? Mhm? I think I'm gonna know this one? Do you believe in? Man? Too much of these get high sounds at the beginning, like, let's get to this the other one? Magic? Magic? They got seven? Crap? What else? We're going to the whole cars segment? Here? What else do the cars have? And they have next step? Shake it up up? Come on? Wow? Who knew? Guys? You call me a music idiot if you want, there are before my time. But I'm usually pretty going on a classic rock. I didn't know they had this many massive songs. No not no, it's all night. I mean I know them all alight anymore. And the last one is bye bye love, bye bye love. Yeah close, oh yeah, I know that one. You do, let me hear you do know this one? I think. Yeah, well I learned a little bit tonight that I'm a much bigger cars fan than I thought I was. Okay, more of these artists bands who lead singer didn't sing the biggest songs. Beth from Kiss. Yeah, I know the song from Role Models, the movie Role Models. I never saw it. All kids songs. Yeah, it's funny because Paul Rudd isn't it and it's a good movie. But they sing all Kiss songs through it. There's a part where he sings this. This is talking about the drummer Peter Chris, who is the lead singer of Kiss. Gene right, Gene Simmons? Is he not Ace Freely? Okay? I guess Jean Simmons is the guy we know, but A free is the lead singer? Who was Paul Stanley? Another one? Another one that's them? Right? No way, Paul Stanley is the lead singer. H really is a guitar player? Okay? What Gen Simmons the basis bassistow who knows? They all dress? Um The highest charting single in the US, which number seven Peter Chris sings. The song was written by Chris and guitarist Stan Pinridge. The song was written before Chris had joined the band while they were members of the band Chelsea. During the recording sessions for the song, Chris was the only Kiss member in the studio, making it the only Kiss song that features no instrumental performances by any member of the band. I'm probably let this song go and happen. Yeah, I know, lucky him. What do you always say though? Right place, right time? I don't know, do you ever say that? Heart? Here's These Dreams sung by guitarist Nancy Wilson. It was actually one of the two songs they were offered by outside songwriters. The other one was We Built This City, which became a hit for Starship. But sisters and Wilson and Nancy Wilson had a straightforward division of labor. Nancy played guitar and handled all the lead vocals. But when they had gone a few years that hit, they were offered two songs Bernie tober one of the songs one of Elton John's the guy Elton John writes with all the time. They picked These Dreams and had Nancy sang it, sing it what she did with a cold, and it was their first number one song. She wasn't the real singer all the time. I didn't know that, um and I didn't know that either. I do know Nancy. Nancy, She's she's the blonde one, Um Tall Blonde one, and she's married to the director the director that did UM almost famous Jerry McGuire's excuse me, Mike, you know the movie that movie People? Who is the director at it? Is Barry to him? Yeah, Cameron Crow, that's him. Cameron Crow does all that. He does all the music movies, singles and the one where the guy holds up the radio say anything. He did all those. Let's do Grand Funk Railroad. We're an American band. It is sang by the drummer Don Brewer. It was the first number one song. It was sung by Don Brewer, and then his voice actually lent them into be a top forty band. Like because of this, it kind of crossed him over because he was a little more palatable apparently. And I'll give you one more happy from the Rolling Stones. He can Can you name all the Rolling Stones members? Yeah? I think so. But that's Keith interesting that by the way. Wow, I didn't even know he could. He can barely talk, he can sing. I don't know that he's singing that great? There? How many named Keith obviously, Mick Jagger, Um, Keith Jagger, Mick Richard, Oh, Charlie. You know there's a Charlie. Oh is he the is he the drummer? Charlie Watts? Yeah, dang bones, good one. Who else do you know from the Rolling Stone? Ronnie Wood? Oh? Yeah, men, those guys are old and still rocking it? Huh Ronnie would, Keith Richards, Mick Jagger? Who else is that? Is that? All of them there? I could think there was just four? So good old Charlie. I guess we can go back and look at some other people. Brian Jones, was he in he died? Past member he died, Yeah, he died. Well those are all lead singers that no, no singers that sang lead that weren't the lead singer other group. So there you go. I will say this to Maddie and Tay. You have a new record out this week. If you're looking for new music. Usually we come on Fridays and do the new music. Not a ton out as far as new stuff we're gonna talk about, but Maddie and Tay have a new record. Other music news, Jake Owen announced that made for You as his next single, which that's my favorite Jack Owen song. That's when I mean. It was over a year ago. Jake and I were together at a charity event and he's like, I never played this song before anybody anymore, but it did bit a bit and he started playing a song. You know, you just hear people play songs, and he starts playing this song and I was like, dude, that's my favorite song you've ever done. He's like, thanks, man, he didn't write it. It was like, you know, I didn't write it. I went found it, but the first time I heard it, I loved it, and I was like, that's cool. I always feel weird though, when I tell people my favorite song they ever done is the song they didn't write. I didn't have Brad Paisley once I was like, man, my favorite song you've ever done is Whiskey Lullaby. That's my jam. And it's like, it was like, that's the one I didn't write. Yeah, but so what you picked it? You're saying it the songwriter got money? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So and then keep more annouced he's putting out a record in May, so all that's going on Mike, anything I missed, that's it. Anything you'd like to say. Oh, I do want to mention too that I've been listening a little bit of John Prime because he just died and I didn't I'll be honest, I had no idea what John Pride saying really or what I knew none of his music. I knew he had done Angels from Montgomery, but that's yeah, but that's about it. And man, I've been kind of the last couple of days just been going down and listen to his songs, and I think I'm just a fan, like a really big fan of his music, especially as old music. It's real singer, songwrighty um folk music, kind of like Bob Dylan with a really good with a much better voice. Well, think about John Prime was he never had hits, right, not real hit hits. So when he died, I saw a lot of John Prime poser's out there being like that big John Prian fan. And because he's so cool, and I didn't do a huge tribute to him on the radio show Alreadio Show because that he wasn't really a country guy. He wrote a bunch of all that. Chris Kostofferson was a big champion of John Prine. A lot of those guys championed and played his songs right because he was the underground folk singer. That was the cool scene. But you've never seen postos come out of the woodwork until John, and it was And I know these people like you never listen that John Prian in your life, but yeah, Angel for Montgomery is awesome. Bonnie, she searched for a hit, she had a following, a great voice, couldn't get a hit. Yeah, And there's a cool version of him doing it from back in the day obviously when he's sang it, but that this was kind of the song that launched her into the mainstream to make Bonnie Raid a big success. And I'm not a John Prine super fan, but I do know John Prin and know a story a bit. But yeah, yeah, I saw so many people being like, I'm just devastated. I'm like, name three songs before you, chick, and I hope you do now and become a fan now. Um, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of where I am. Man. I just didn't know anything that you should open and honest about it, Eddie, You're gonna give you a treat nice job. Thank you man, seriously, But but I am a fan now. It sucks that he had to die for me to be a fan, but I am a fan now. I like it a lot. Yeah, I mean I saw Joe Diffy had two maybe three songs hit the top one hundred country chart again after Joe died in that in that interesting how people just want to listen to that music now that they know that they they're gone. Well, it just reminds you when you say they die, You're like, oh, man, there's a part of my life that I spent with that person. I like to go re experience that again now because it's reminding me of it. But yeah, I did it with Kenny Rodgers too, same thing. Okay, we're gonna take a little break and come back with jarn from the Cadillac three. I think you're gonna like this interview. I like Jarring anyway, this interview turned out great. There's a part of this interview coming up, Eddie where he talks about Porto Wagner cussing Adam. Oh really yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's that's awesome. That's coming up. General. What's happening dude? Ally, Bobby, how are you doing Bob. It's kind of a weird question to ask what's happening, because I think we all know exactly what's happening with everybody at this point. Yeah, it's it's it's a weird time, bro. You know. I find myself because I'm still doing my radio show every day that I look forward now to that block where I know that I'm going to be working worry. It wasn't that I didn't look forward to it before, but now it's like I'm looking I look forward to that piece of structure. What are you doing to kind of keep your schedule structured to it? Man? Um, I know exactly what you're saying there too. I feel like when I'm we're doing all these writing sessions now, like via zoom, you know, the intern, the internet or whatever, and it's like face timing. I'm sure you guys are doing meetings within stuff too, but I look forward to it so much because I'm not just sitting there wondering what's wrong with the world and if it's gonna get fixed, and so I'm basically just being creative and writing and you know, trying to trying to write the next Cadillac three record and write some hits for other people. Man, So what does zoom writing session? Like? It's weird, dude, the first I say the first like two, we're tough, and then you kind of get used to it and actually, like, I'm really enjoying it now because I've got I got it down and I've got all the you know, there's like fifteen screens in my little studio room and everything's running it once, so it's kind of like flying a little play. So it's it adds a couple of extra challenges in that, and songwriters can get stuck in a rut, you know, and so this is kind of cool. It adds a little dynamic to it. First time I'll talked to you relationship put the record out. I know, I did a little promotional piece for you guys as you're putting it out, and I've listened to the record, but I mean, congratulations, I'm putting out of the full project. Man, thanks buddy. It's you know what, I don't take that lightly because it's hard for artists to get records out these days, you know, like full records. Man. Yeah, so what was the difference in maybe doing this record Whenever I would assume you have a little more freedom this time to do what you want because you know who you are a little bit more. What was the difference in this record in the last one. I think the last one we were kind of trying a little too hard. In this one we were a little bit more like you're saying, you know, like maybe more confident and uh, you know, it's just like anything like working out. If you work out, your muscles get bigger. You know, if you're doing this stuff a little longer, your your production skills get better, your songwriting gets better. And I think this one we kind of stuck to a vibe that, you know, kind of it was a little bit more cohesive than the other records that we've done. And you produced this record too, Am I right about that? Yeah? So you're producing skills again. I'm just going from memory here. Didn't you produce some of Kelly Bannon stuff too? Yeah? Man, I did Kelly's record, I just did Drake White's New Thing, and um, a bunch of a bunch of cool stuff. Man, I've been lucky. So what what's what is it for you? Then? Because you're writing songs for other folks, you're producing records now. Obviously the Catallact three, Like, where is this going to end up for you in five years? In your mind? I hope, hope of my beach house. Man, I ain't gonna lie to you, brother, I'm trying. I've got as many irons on the fire right now, just so I can get out of here. So what is as a producer? Because I think most folks and I wouldn't have known until I went to a comedy record, But what is it as a producer? Like what do you do? Let's let's take you out of Cadillac three right now, take you out a songwriting, but you're just gearing the producer. Let's say Drake White comes up to love Drake, love his sound. He says, hey, man, I want to do this project. Like what are your roles as a producer? Whenever that happens, well usually man, it's like when when somebody calls a producer or like at least Mike, from what I've gotten from this, they usually like what I do on my my stuff at least you know what I mean? Like the most calls I get there usually somebody pairing this up because um or you know, like Drake, he likes the way to Cadillac stuff sounds or or you know, they hear these these crappy demos that I do to pitch too artists for a country, so you know, like for to to record, and they love the way those things sound, and so I I guess you kind of just getting put in those places. And you know, I'm a huge Break White fan, huge Kelly Bannon fan, So it was like getting to getting to do that. You know, as soon as somebody calls and say, hey, can you make me sound raw and dirty but still kind of accessible, I'm like, hell, yeah, that's what I try to do. You know. So you go into the studio and you're the guy that basically tells, hey, we need more guitar, more drums, But what what if we added another xylophone? I'm just making crap up here, but what if we added a xylophone? Like it's you're a creative like macro vision, right, well, you try to be. I mean, like the way I usually do it is we have the artists come in and they sing live in the room with me and the engineer, and then we have a guitar player, drum drummer, and a bass player and then I'm also playing guitar in there, and usually I get the meat and the potatoes in the studio and then I get out of the studio and take it home or to the bus, and I do everything else, all the background vocals, all the programming, all the overdubs, and it's just lives in my head for about three weeks. And that's how I that's that way. You don't have to you cut out a lot of the cook in the kitchen, you know what I mean? Where did this music education come from? As far as like early Jarren, I'm growing up in Nashville, man, you know, I was born here, and I think that you know, it's you know, my dad was in it growing up and just being around it constantly and then watching things, you know, growing up in Nashville and country music was Garth Brooks and Clint Black and you know, Faith Hill and all these mega huge You saw how big a country star could be. You know, Garth is wearing a damn headset flying around the room, um, and you realize that, oh, this is kind of rock and roll, you know what I mean. So I think that I just kind of from you know, six seven years old on, I was kind of just really intrigued and excited about music, and it was it turns out it was the only thing I was really good at. So wait, so what did your dad do in the business. He plays, he's a drummer. He was the drummer at the Grand ol Opry for shoot thirty years. He still plays there occasionally. And uh yeah, so I kind of got to go to the Grand ol Operry every weekend. That was my kind of babysitter when I was a kid. Oh that's cool. Do you have any stories about seeing anybody super cool and like now they'd be called old school at the operat where he had a moment with them. Oh, man, I've got there's so many Bobby like Um. I remember Porter Wagner. I've stumbled into his dressing room. I was probably eleven or twelve, and he had this huge bodyguard named Tony I think was his name, and he's kind of Maffi like Sopranos asked, But he's a you know, a Nashville guy. So um, he was very intimidating, and so Porter came in there and yelled at me and told me to get the get the f out of his out of his dressing room, and my dad went up to Porter and the antony and said, if you ever talked to my kid like that again? You're asked wagner Man. Yeah, that's a great one. Wow, Wow, I had no idea. That's cool. I do want to talk about the record here, um and play a few songs from it. I'm gonna play a clip of Cracking cole Ones with the boys. Here you go with the Bulls. I'm gonna do the generic thing here I go. Hey, just tell me about the song, and what do you think about when you you think when you hear the song back? Well, it's it's hilarious because you know, it's it's just a you know, we've never done a beat like that, either the Gary Glitter to KAKA We're going to Kick Hell out of You, And so Nila and I had that track and I don't know if you've let to usually do you're usually pretty good about this, but there's seven co writers on that song. So like anybody that yelled out a word in the room, you're you're on the track. It's the how it went. It's it's our band, it's our whole band and our whole crew on the road. Yeah, it's like if you look at that and didn't know. You're like, wow, this is so stupid. It took seven people to write this moronic song, you know, so, but I like it. It's fun. It's a fun to play live. And you know, we wrote that thing just because I want to be in hockey arenas. You know, that's the best. I wanted to go to a Predators game and hear that song. That does feel like you know when you mentioned Gary Glitter, of those are are listening and don't know who that is. Um, by the way, not the best, dude, but a song that don't don't uh Donna, Donna like that's Gary Glitter And so people missed that reference. How about this one hard out here for a country boy and play a little bit? All right, give me that one, dude. Um. I wrote it with Jeremy Stober and Neil on the bus and we were out on the road with Travis Trip and Charlie Daniels and so Travis was I played him some of the record on the bus one night we were I mean, we were getting after you know, we were drinking pretty good and it's probably about three in the morning and they're trying to bus drivers are trying to get everybody off the bus to leave, and he's like, noh, play me another, play another, And that one came on the next day and sound check I heard him playing it, and so I said, man, you want to sing on it? He goes yeah, because on the road, know how it is, there's nothing but time. So I was like, he's like, well, what do you want to do it? I go what you doing right now? He goes nothing until he came over the bus and sang it in the back lounge. And then Jansen called me during that little session. He said what are you doing? I said, man, I'm according to right now. You ain't gonna believe this for the new Cadillac record. And he goes, well, what's the song? I go, cracking Colin, Sorry, I go part I here for a country boy. He goes, well, to me, I want to sing on it. You know, you know, you know how crazy he is. He probably had fifteen Mountain dues by that time in the day. Um, and so he I surned the track and he sent it back the next day and put harmonica on and everything. I just like it was one of those things that like easily came together and it was so fun. Man. We tried to line that one up to get all you guys up in the studio for that one. We couldn't quite get all the schedules to work. But that was the one when when I first heard the record and heard that one, I called, uh, Tom Lord, who's my man? And I was like, Hey, let's get Jared and Jansen and Tray and I don't think Travis is able to get down. But that's a jam. Like, that's it. That's a good one. Thanks man. Hey, Bobby, Travis, don't leave the house for lesson quarter million dollars. You know, I've heard stories about people on to hire Travis and it's like, how much like you need to tell me before I even get out of Yeah, so we weren't able to make that happen for promotional Uh, Catalect three, So so sorry about that. It's all good man. Um. You know, I was reading this article about you guys whenever the intro of the album came out, and it was from Rolling Stone and said why the Catalect three or Nashville's most uncompromising band? Fifteen years together and without a country radiohead. The trio refused to chase trends on the new album now, as complimentary as that is, because for a long time what I was doing, and because I would get on country radio and just be like, hey, I have other influence, Like I grew up in Arkansas and I love country music, but I listen nineties hip hop. I was an alternative guy, and they would say, oh, the bad boy. But eventually I didn't want to be the I wanted my style to be so good that everyone else would do it right. And so whenever someone writes a headline like this a little bit, are you like, I appreciate that, but we're trying to break through so hard that we want people to follow us. We want to be the style. Does that ever pop in your head? Yeah, I mean, you know, I think that's kind of what they were trying to say there. But you know how press can be. And um, that whole that whole interviewed um thing or that whole piece is us hanging out with a writer who is super sweep, very talented, writer, very cool person, um throwing axes at that battle acts place in East Nashville, and and literally like, so you're writing this whole thing about the history of a band, this new record all this stuff and spending an hour with them, you know, and do playing a redneck sport. I don't think that, you know, when when those conversations did happen a little bit in that thing, I think, I think, I, you know, I hear when I hear something like that. At this point in our careers, I'm just happy they didn't say, you know, this record sucked, ask you know, or like or you know. These guys are trying to be something they're not. At least they're saying things in a positive way. Um. I do know what you're saying, though, And I think that, Um, the reason the band that we are and what we're kind of morphing into and the more confident we get and the bigger that we're getting more successful, um worldwide is I think that's giving us the thing where it is working, whether it's with radio or not, you know, or or whatever. I think that our mentality is if we keep doing our whole thing, I think radio, at some point we'll won't really have a choice because it'll be you know, kind of like look at Eric Church, the way that happened. He got to a point so big he's selling so many damn tickets that it didn't like. They could not play it because people were calling in and asking for it, and that's when you win, um and he did that by following his own vibe the whole time. So I mean, we're trying to do that at least. I don't know if I've answered your question or not, but if I were writing the story a different story, I would go the band that a lot of other artists and bands have stolen their sound from, but that they just haven't popped with a song on radio listen. There's a lot of derivatives of Cadillac three out there, and I know you We're not gonna I'm not gonna say anybody specifically, but I think you probably think this too, Like your style has been taken by a lot to people and they've ran with it and they've done well with it. And that's what I think. Do you feel that way? I feel like, yeah, there's a lot of a lot of want to be clones out there. I think that the way we do it is, you know, obviously a different thing, but it's hard to to accurately clone. I think the way they're winning is they're they're they're doing the thing that we kind of refused to do. And that's that's you know, it'd be really easy for me to you know, record meanwhile back at Mama's or some ship like that, or beaching, you know, um, but it just it doesn't feel real. And that's why, you know, I'm kind of like to face, you know, I want to have that, that's that that creative outlet writing songs for other people. And then I also want to kick ass and and and and another thing about those clones that you were talking about that are winning, I guarantee most of them can't can't sail out their hometown, you know. So it's like that's that's a lot of a lot of the difference too. Well, And before a blog picks up with Jared saying beaching or meanwhile back at Mama's, he wrote those songs, You wrote those songs. You're not just bashing those songs. Well, you're saying you could have taken one of those songs that you wrote for someone else. And because you know what's gonna happen if someone will hear this and go up Jaren's trash and Jake Owen and Tim mcgrawl. No, no, not at all, Jaren wrote those songs, So I just want to put that out there. I trashed Tim mcgrawl and Jake of their faces. I just got off the phone with Jake. Uh some of the songs Jaren wrote. I mean, let me read some of these. I guess seven number ones as a songwriter. You got Beaching Jake Oen American country love song from Jake. Meanwhile back at Mom is Tim mcgrawl, Southern Girl, Tim mcgrawl, Keith Urban, You're Gonna Fly, Raise Them Up Urban, and Church Billy Currington, don't it now? Of those songs, Jared, did you think about taking any of them to catalect three? Um? No? Um? Raise Them Up was one of those when people asked me that I look back on and say, you know, maybe that would have been one that you know, but I'm a huge, huge Keith Urban fan. You know, he's one of my idols and got to be friends with him now, and it's like, I don't I know that I'm well, I don't know, but I don't think that Cadillac could have gotten that to where it was. And songs are like babies, man, you wanted to go out in the world and do great things, and so that's that's the catch train. Two of that stuff, I think, um, but the rest of those, no, we didn't even think about them. I see you have a coloring book where it's just pictures of sneakers, and I know you're like me, your shoe guy, because I sometimes I'll see flex and I'll be like, all right, this is because you got you got a little songwriter money, because I know how much you shoes cost. You may not put them up there, but I know, like I see it. Uh, what's the I'm not gonna this shoe. What's your favorite pair of shoes recent pair of shoes? Because um man, it's tough. I kind of stopped. I've stopped recently because of this. I can't wear them out anywhere. Man. I haven't left my house in a month, you know. So it's like I can't just post them on Instagram. Hey look what I got. But I really like the um I have the Original Force, the Jordan's I love those. Those are probably my first, like when I got my first couple of checks, you know what I mean, those are the things you go. I mean you might be like this too. I'm sure you are. Like once you make a little bit of money and I grew up pretty broke as a kid in East Nashville, and you know you didn't have these things, and so you go and you buy all the things you want. You buy that in six before you buy that, those Jordans, you buy those Airmax ninety seven, you know what I mean. And it's just so fun. And then you realize, wait, these are these are such this is such a weird thing to buy it because you can only wear It's like a car, you can only drive one at a time. You can only wear one pair of times. So then you just have shoes everywhere and and no more money. I got a pair of I ordered a pair of shoes out a month ago before we started locking in our houses, and I got a pair of the new Airmax Hunter orange and camouflage. They just came out, you know, a few weeks and I opened them up and I hadn't ordered any shoes since I've been a quarantine. And my girlfriend goes, oh, that's cool. You got a new pair of shoes where you gonna wear them to the kitchen or the bedroom. You might go out on the deck, give them some give them some vitamin D there. So okay, a body should check out country fuzz. Um. It's their fourth album. It came out back in February. But um, that doesn't mean the music is is any worse now that we're here in April. Um. But if you if, and if you're you're just now hearing us talk about the cat like three, check them out. I'm big fan of Jaren as a songwriter, even Kelly stuff. When you were producing it, like you know, listening to it, it was just a new rawer sound for her. I can't wait to hear the Drake stuff. I'm just a fan of you. Man. Well, I appreciate it. Man. Hey, um, we're dropping something a little special next week, so keep a lookout as a new single. And it's not on the record either because we just we were bored here and so we recorded stuff. I've recorded all at my house and then kind of did the rest via zoom and all that stuff. It's it's gonna be pretty cool, man, You're gonna dig it. How do you record via zoom? Well, I send them the track and then um it's you got a link up and all this. I mean it's it's it's recording in the iPhones and singing it in real time and then me taking the track like it's it's a real pain in the asked, but it sounds cool and it sounds different. I think so an anything that we've done, and that's kind of that's fun. You know. Well, I'm looking forward to it. Hey man, good luck, good talk to you and hope everybody. To the folks that haven't really invested any time in listening to you guys, I encourage it and do to Hopefully I'll see out and about in human life soon. Thanks Bobby, stay safe. But alr Jensva all right, Yeah,