Kojima's Physint is 5-6 Years Away

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<v Speaker 1>Kojima reveals his next espionage game, Phisiant is fifth five
<v Speaker 1>to six years away. I was gonna say fifty six
<v Speaker 1>years away. It might as well be. Yeah. This is
<v Speaker 1>from Jordan Midler over at Vgcdeo. Kojima has said that
<v Speaker 1>one of his next games, Visit, won't be released for
<v Speaker 1>five or six years. Kochuma recently spoke to French magazine
<v Speaker 1>lay Film fross Hall, during which he was asked about
<v Speaker 1>the adaptation of the Death Stranding film, which is currently
<v Speaker 1>in production at A twenty four, and if he'd like
<v Speaker 1>to work on more films in the future. When asked
<v Speaker 1>if he'd like to direct a film, Coachman replied, oh, yes,
<v Speaker 1>I received many offers after leaving Konami. Coachman went on
<v Speaker 1>to explain that he has multiple video game projects in
<v Speaker 1>development and that he may consider making a film once
<v Speaker 1>Death Stranding two and Phisiant are complete besides Death Stranding
<v Speaker 1>two and this is a quote. Now there is Phisiant
<v Speaker 1>in development that will take me another five or six years.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe after that I could finally decide to tackle a film.
<v Speaker 1>I grew up with cinema directing would be a kind
<v Speaker 1>of homage to it. Besides, I'm getting older and I
<v Speaker 1>would prefer to do it while still young. All Right,
<v Speaker 1>So he wants to make a movie in the meantime
<v Speaker 1>five to six years for Phisiint, which was originally announced
<v Speaker 1>in January twenty twenty four during a PlayStation state of play.
<v Speaker 1>I was like struggling to remember exactly what this was
<v Speaker 1>jan But this is like him promising in many ways
<v Speaker 1>to like, I'm going to make a metal gear again,
<v Speaker 1>and it's not going to be called that. It's going
<v Speaker 1>to be something new and I'm going to own it.
<v Speaker 1>But basically, I'm making one of those games again five
<v Speaker 1>to six years. Does that sound right to you? Sure?
<v Speaker 2>Grub, knowing the scale and all the oddities that Kojima
<v Speaker 2>likes to throw into his games, five to six years, sure,
<v Speaker 2>let's just let's just round up. Let's go ten.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, I mean I'll say, at least recently, his
<v Speaker 1>work at Coachman Productions outside of Konami has been you know,
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't. It hasn't taken the most time to get
<v Speaker 1>these games out. They've all come kind of come out
<v Speaker 1>in about that many years, four to six years, and
<v Speaker 1>that includes Death Stranding one and now Death's Stranding two
<v Speaker 1>is which is a follow up. I guess when did
<v Speaker 1>the last win? Did the first one come out? Was
<v Speaker 1>it like gosh to twenty eighteen? Maybe it's maybe it's
<v Speaker 1>longer than I'm thinking, But either way, I still think
<v Speaker 1>that he hasn't These games are not getting delayed over
<v Speaker 1>and over again twenty nineteen, Thank you, Chad. Okay, so, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>six years, right, I believe five to six years is possible.
<v Speaker 1>But also then I think after that he's probably not
<v Speaker 1>going to be like, Okay, I'm going to have time
<v Speaker 1>to direct a movie. It probably is right back into
<v Speaker 1>yet another game, although he says he doesn't want to
<v Speaker 1>make Death Stranding three necessarily, we'll see what. I guess,
<v Speaker 1>what do you want from Kojuma?
<v Speaker 2>I The problem is, I think I've spent a lot
<v Speaker 2>of my time doubting Kojima, and I think at this
<v Speaker 2>point I'm going to let him cook, but I'm going
<v Speaker 2>to let him cook at a distance, because I think
<v Speaker 2>the more attention you give Kojima, the more distracted he
<v Speaker 2>gets with his other extracurriculars.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I do.
<v Speaker 2>Want to see him work on a movie, because you know,
<v Speaker 2>look at his whole repertoire of games right there. He's
<v Speaker 2>heavily influenced by cinema in you know, really liking something
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't automatically mean that these skills translate over. But
<v Speaker 2>Kujima does have an eye for editing. He could definitely
<v Speaker 2>edit some of his scenes down. But I'd be really
<v Speaker 2>interested to see him give it a stab in a
<v Speaker 2>more substantial way than he has with like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>any of his scenes in games.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of almost wish that, you know how,
<v Speaker 1>in the celebrity book or celebrity celebrity author space, there's
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like co authorship now where it's like
<v Speaker 1>James Patterson and and he'll get like another celebrity in
<v Speaker 1>there who's like co Like Obama is going to help
<v Speaker 1>me write a spy thriller that takes place in the
<v Speaker 1>White House. I kind of wish movie directing had the
<v Speaker 1>same kind of thing. Even though like that, like the
<v Speaker 1>co authorship in books is super cynical in a lot
<v Speaker 1>of ways, But I in a way that I kind
<v Speaker 1>of like, it's like so hey, Like I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>it feels like wrestling to me in a lot of ways.
<v Speaker 1>I kind of wish Kojima could just like partner up
<v Speaker 1>with another director and Koachima can just do the bullshit
<v Speaker 1>he wants and then someone else can make sure it
<v Speaker 1>all works together. I would I would love to see
<v Speaker 1>like something like that, like a pro am situation. Although
<v Speaker 1>his his quote here of I like to like, what
<v Speaker 1>does he say here? Someone in chats just said it
<v Speaker 1>in a good way. I think of my movie as
<v Speaker 1>an homage to cinema. Sounds like a line from on
<v Speaker 1>Cinema at the Cinema, from Tim and from Tim Hideker.
<v Speaker 1>It's like it really does sound like something you would
<v Speaker 1>say if you wanted to sound eerodite about film or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, that's Kochama.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean like he's he's always tweeting. He's always
<v Speaker 2>posting about, you know, sitting down in the cinema watching
<v Speaker 2>the newest thing. But I'm curious, like, I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>I want to watch him watch a movie, right.
<v Speaker 1>I want him to do the thing like Shi lah
<v Speaker 1>Boof did where he's like watched all his own movies
<v Speaker 1>and just had a camera pointed at his face. I
<v Speaker 1>want to Kacha should sell an only fans that's just
<v Speaker 1>watch me watch movies.
<v Speaker 2>I'll do it. I'll sign up.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you got my money for sure. You know. Excuse me.
<v Speaker 1>Death stranding, desk stranding too. I'm like more interested in
<v Speaker 1>those at this point than I have been at any
<v Speaker 1>other point for dest stranding games where it's like this
<v Speaker 1>for any one really came around with the director's cut
<v Speaker 1>by all accounts, and now and now two is it
<v Speaker 1>feels like everyone's saying it just gets going, it just
<v Speaker 1>gets into the fun. I'm like, I'm kind of in
<v Speaker 1>the mood for this weird project that that coach must
<v Speaker 1>spend so much time on. I'm not necessarily excited for
<v Speaker 1>him to like go back and be like, now I'm
<v Speaker 1>gonna do my independent metal gear. I almost wish that
<v Speaker 1>that was not something distracting him on the horizon. Obviously
<v Speaker 1>he's got that there's an O D game oh that
<v Speaker 1>he's working with Xbox on as well, which comes out
<v Speaker 1>between these two things. I suppose, but I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I kind of wish that he would was like stretching
<v Speaker 1>out into places that are completely unfamiliar to him.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this goes. This ties into an issue that I've
<v Speaker 2>had as of late with games Grub, where guys, we
<v Speaker 2>don't need to announce something, We don't need to announce
<v Speaker 2>a project before the work is even started. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>I completely recognize that some of these announcements are tied
<v Speaker 2>into draw talent into a studio, for sure. Oh sure, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but there's got to be a better way than announcing
<v Speaker 2>a game eight years too early, or like announcing a
<v Speaker 2>studio getting opened way too early. And you know, because
<v Speaker 2>because then you're definitely dealing with an uphill battle of
<v Speaker 2>people not only comparing you to the previous games that
<v Speaker 2>you've released, but now like there's an unrealistic expectation of
<v Speaker 2>whatever this next project is, and it does harm the studio,
<v Speaker 2>It harms the old tour when something goes astray.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, h for sure, And I think, like you said,
<v Speaker 1>we see all the reasons why something like that does happen,
<v Speaker 1>and trying to you know, attract talent or to say
<v Speaker 1>the thing that Sony needs him to say, in order
<v Speaker 1>to make the you know, exclusivity deal, you know, to
<v Speaker 1>lubricate that that those gears so that deal can get done,
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. But yeah, it still leaves us
<v Speaker 1>in a situation where it's like, all right, I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>tell us more about it when you have something interesting
<v Speaker 1>in the show, and in the meantime our skepticism might grow. Yeah, uh,
<v Speaker 1>all right, let's move along here. A report has explained that,
<v Speaker 1>and this is a quote, the vibes have never been
<v Speaker 1>worse at Marathon developer Bungie. This is from Alex Hopley
<v Speaker 1>at Game Reactor. A new report has peeled back the
<v Speaker 1>curtain on the current situation at Marathon and original Halo
<v Speaker 1>developer Bungie, showing the studio is very concerned about the
<v Speaker 1>game's launch and morale is at a low point for
<v Speaker 1>many working there. This comes from Paul Tassi at Forbes
<v Speaker 1>and follows Bungie admitting to the use of stolen art
<v Speaker 1>in Marathon. I think we talked about that on Friday.
<v Speaker 1>This is apparently the fourth time Bungie has been found
<v Speaker 1>guilty of such action in five years. Jesus Christ, I
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize it was that many times. Which doesn't exactly
<v Speaker 1>help fan sentiment. According to the Forbes report, the vibe
<v Speaker 1>has never been worse at Bungee with morale in freefall.
<v Speaker 1>There apparently have been some changes made to the marketing plan,
<v Speaker 1>but there remains a lot of anxiety about the game's
<v Speaker 1>upcoming September launch. Everyone has the same concerns about what
<v Speaker 1>happens to Bungie as a studio of Marathon bombs. This
<v Speaker 1>is a quote now, which is something they absolutely cannot afford.
<v Speaker 1>Reads the report, it appears there are real fears that
<v Speaker 1>Sony might have another concord on its hands. But we'll
<v Speaker 1>have to see if Sony stops or pushes Marathon back
<v Speaker 1>to try to prevent that from happening. Currently, Marathon is
<v Speaker 1>scheduled to release on the twenty third of September. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean jan going back to my own reporting about
<v Speaker 1>the situation over at Bungee and kind of like echoing
<v Speaker 1>that they cannot afford for Marathon to miss. When a
<v Speaker 1>lot of those layoffs happened and they shifted a destiny
<v Speaker 1>to from having these regular big content drops to more frequent,
<v Speaker 1>smaller drops that overall was going to provide less content,
<v Speaker 1>but they were going to try to, you know, make
<v Speaker 1>it more efficiently and package it in a way that
<v Speaker 1>it still felt like you were getting quite a bit.
<v Speaker 1>Because they want Destiny to to continue to succeed and grow,
<v Speaker 1>they need that. But what they really need is for
<v Speaker 1>Marathon to hit and in the end, actually, unfortunately because
<v Speaker 1>this sounds very difficult, jan what they really need is
<v Speaker 1>for both of those things to kind of perform at
<v Speaker 1>their top, like most possible performance level, so that Destiny
<v Speaker 1>too is hitting on all cylinders and it's making them
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money. And then Marathon comes out and
<v Speaker 1>is a huge hit at launch, and it just feels
<v Speaker 1>like everyone involved thinks like both those things are off
<v Speaker 1>the table or or will be very hard to achieve.
<v Speaker 1>And then what is the future of Bungee at that point? Well,
<v Speaker 1>I mean the way it was related to me is
<v Speaker 1>there isn't much of a future if these things do
<v Speaker 1>not take off. So that's of course it's got to
<v Speaker 1>be like really scary, and I I don't know, like
<v Speaker 1>Marathon does not seem like some disaster, but like we
<v Speaker 1>know that that's it doesn't have to be a disaster
<v Speaker 1>for people to decide I'm just not gonna play this thing.
<v Speaker 2>Right, one hundred percent grub. You know, we were just
<v Speaker 2>talking about unrealistic expectations, and I think the expectations between
<v Speaker 2>Marathon and expectations with Bungee are just so high at
<v Speaker 2>this point, and I I hate to be a doom
<v Speaker 2>sayer and just like watching the car crash happen, because
<v Speaker 2>I'd love for Marathon to succeed. You know, the art
<v Speaker 2>has really struck out to me. Unfortunately, some of that
<v Speaker 2>art may be plagiarized from other folks, which is a
<v Speaker 2>very big disappointment. Shocking to hear that this is the
<v Speaker 2>fourth time in like the last couple of years. You
<v Speaker 2>think at this point someone would be watching from the
<v Speaker 2>top and kind of you know, putting the hammer down
<v Speaker 2>on that. This just feels like a lose lose situation,
<v Speaker 2>and I really hate for Bungee to be in this spot,
<v Speaker 2>especially when like, you know, the Destiny two freaks are
<v Speaker 2>like you know there. It feels like they get hyped
<v Speaker 2>every time there's some type of news and then I
<v Speaker 2>just get sad because.
<v Speaker 1>There's still streaking out there. Yeah, but it's definitely muted,
<v Speaker 1>Like I think they're like not ready to like be
<v Speaker 1>shouting about Destiny too. Anymore, and it's like, Okay, if
<v Speaker 1>you're not willing to do that, then hows this thing?
<v Speaker 1>Like is anyone going to feel as excited about it?
<v Speaker 1>Probably not. I mean, jan I'm trying to like put
<v Speaker 1>my finger to the wind with Marathon, And it does
<v Speaker 1>feel a lot like Concord right now, doesn't it? Like,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, who knows if it actually goes the same
<v Speaker 1>exact way, but in this moment, it feels like the
<v Speaker 1>game like had the test of a public test that
<v Speaker 1>people could try the game, and then when that went away,
<v Speaker 1>people were just like, I don't even care about talking
<v Speaker 1>about it. It's not like I hate it. It's not
<v Speaker 1>that I love it.
<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, I just don't.
<v Speaker 1>It's not even worth wasting my time on. It just
<v Speaker 1>feels like this vacuum of excitement for it. And that
<v Speaker 1>was that's very similar to I think what happened with Concord.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think they can change the narrative between now
<v Speaker 1>in September?
<v Speaker 2>I think it's possible to change the narrative between now
<v Speaker 2>and release, especially with you know, folks not studios, not
<v Speaker 2>having to worry about GTA six looming in the background
<v Speaker 2>for the rest of twenty twenty five at least I
<v Speaker 2>think at this point though, Bungeee and Sony are their
<v Speaker 2>own biggest eyes obstacles, especially with how Concord was handled. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know that there are other shooters that
<v Speaker 2>are kind of in the similar space having more positive hype.
<v Speaker 1>Art creators bring up Arc Raiders, right, and like yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and then so I made a joke. It's like, well,
<v Speaker 1>we got art Raiders over here and over at Bungeie
<v Speaker 1>there's some art Raiders.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Bravo twelve podcast points to you geever, whoever came
<v Speaker 2>up with that. But you know, folks are pointing out
<v Speaker 2>something major in that, is it possible for Bungies leadership
<v Speaker 2>to be solid enough between now and September, especially when
<v Speaker 2>like internally the vibes at the studio are kind of
<v Speaker 2>butt right how to use.
<v Speaker 1>Like rescue it while also just trying to fix morale
<v Speaker 1>in the first Like you kind of need things to
<v Speaker 1>be feeling good for people to infuse that energy into
<v Speaker 1>the game. And you know, games do come together in
<v Speaker 1>the last minute a lot of times. So, but it
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like it's that. It doesn't seem like this
<v Speaker 1>is a game where people are waiting for it to
<v Speaker 1>come together in the last minute. People just seem like
<v Speaker 1>wholesale unimpressed by the entire idea of Marathon. And I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's fixable.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that alpha or that test came and went grub
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear a lot of hype or any buzz
<v Speaker 2>at all. The only thing I heard from it is
<v Speaker 2>that it feels like a weird or more robotic Apex Legends.
<v Speaker 2>And that's not a bad comparison to have, you know,
<v Speaker 2>for sure Apex Legends, that that that's a game that's
<v Speaker 2>always felt great has definitely lost its audience. But for
<v Speaker 2>the type of game that Bunge and Sony are trying
<v Speaker 2>to put out, I just don't know if I don't
<v Speaker 2>even know if there's an audience there to hook in.
<v Speaker 1>And we're like, Chane, we've had this long conversation about this,
<v Speaker 1>and have we mentioned the price, Like this is going
<v Speaker 1>to be a premium price game. It's going to be
<v Speaker 1>probably forty dollars. I think of whatever one's assuming the
<v Speaker 1>you know, or as we say on the streets, the
<v Speaker 1>concord price. Like ooh, there's just so many hills to
<v Speaker 1>climb before you can get to the point where like
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be probably still because they haven't
<v Speaker 1>gone back on this yet, a forty dollars game, and
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it is an extraction shooter, and I've
<v Speaker 1>had fans of that genre tell me that that's genre
<v Speaker 1>tends to work much better if there is an upfront price.
<v Speaker 1>You kind of don't want the economy to be thrown
<v Speaker 1>off by people spending a lot of money because it's
<v Speaker 1>free to play game. Sure, okay, sure, but our creators
<v Speaker 1>is going to be free. It seems like so Yeahersons
<v Speaker 1>are just bad on every front.
<v Speaker 2>Comparisons are bad on every front. And you know, I
<v Speaker 2>feel like Sony has really put themselves into the spot
<v Speaker 2>with really trying to hammer live service games and canceling
<v Speaker 2>several other projects in favor of pursuing this strategy, and
<v Speaker 2>it just has not paid off in a substantial way.
<v Speaker 2>If anything, I think it's definitely hurt, you know, the
<v Speaker 2>image of Sony overall, because now people are drawing upon
<v Speaker 2>Concord as an example of a failed launch. People have
<v Speaker 2>completely forgotten about Redfall. Yeah, and now like in recent memory,
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be conquered, and I would hate for
<v Speaker 2>it to also be Marathon in the next couple months,
<v Speaker 2>Like even Square had like not a runaway hit, but
<v Speaker 2>a decent hit with Outriders, And yeah, I was able
<v Speaker 2>to players for sure, I was able to retain a
<v Speaker 2>lot of people. Folks are saying Arc Raiders is playing
<v Speaker 2>for forty dollars.
<v Speaker 1>It is okay, all right, there we go, all right them.
<v Speaker 2>But even if I'm presented those two options of Arc
<v Speaker 2>Raiders at forty Marathon at forty, and there's a lot
<v Speaker 2>more positive buzz between behind Arc Raiders, I think I would,
<v Speaker 2>of course my wagon to that horse.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yeah, I just think one thing Marathon does seem
<v Speaker 1>to have in its favors. It will it's not going
<v Speaker 1>to be locked to the PlayStation. They are going to
<v Speaker 1>launch it everywhere and it's bungeee and it will have
<v Speaker 1>bungee quality shooting, and that goes a long way. Like
<v Speaker 1>the Pepsi test, a Pepsi challenge of like when you
<v Speaker 1>first start playing this game, is it going to feel good?
<v Speaker 1>I bet it passes that pretty well, and that could
<v Speaker 1>lend it to some good reviews and maybe that kind
<v Speaker 1>of like one thing leads into another there and it
<v Speaker 1>maybe begins to build momentum coming out of the gate.
<v Speaker 1>But in this moment then, like I believe morale is
<v Speaker 1>low at Bungie, because when I just glance over at
<v Speaker 1>this game, it hurts my morale as someone who was
<v Speaker 1>probably never going to play this thing in the first place,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, god, man, that's a bummer. Game. Seemed like
<v Speaker 1>a challenging thing, ye to have to make and make
<v Speaker 1>your business, So yeah, just kind of sympathize with everyone
<v Speaker 1>over there. In a lot of ways.
<v Speaker 2>It just seems odd to try and pursue such a
<v Speaker 2>niche genre of games. Yeah, especially when you know audiences
<v Speaker 2>behind Battle Royales are not necessarily declining, but they're kind
<v Speaker 2>of like they've plified.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, Yeah, they calcified into like there's certain games
<v Speaker 1>that they're playing for sure. You know, there's always trend chasing,
<v Speaker 1>and the reason is because it's like you think that
<v Speaker 1>if we make the more mainstream version of this trend,
<v Speaker 1>we could reap a lot of rewards. And I get that,
<v Speaker 1>But some trends are Battle Royale and some trends are
<v Speaker 1>auto chess, where it's like, yeah, everyone made an auto chess,
<v Speaker 1>but that really very quickly that got like calcified into
<v Speaker 1>everyone's just gonna play what is it? Yeah, team fight
<v Speaker 1>tactics over on riot stuff, and then everything else is
<v Speaker 1>gonna like and there was fifty of those things. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so you know, and that one. That's a genre that's
<v Speaker 1>a little bit easier to make something pretty quickly because
<v Speaker 1>you don't need a ton of assets or whatever. So
<v Speaker 1>when you're going to an extraction shooer, you have to
<v Speaker 1>build this whole world and you need all this art
<v Speaker 1>to the point where you're stealing it. It's a whole
<v Speaker 1>other challenge that that.
<v Speaker 2>Is also leaving a very poor taste in my mouth, because, like,
<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed how Marathon has been presented every time
<v Speaker 2>we've seen it in a major showcase. Now knowing that
<v Speaker 2>some if not a bunch of the art may be plagiarized,
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of stinky.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yeah, exactly. It's like the one thing I had
<v Speaker 1>to go in for it is now tainted. All right,
<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break when we come back. Plenty
<v Speaker 1>of more news to talk about right after this. All right,
<v Speaker 1>we are back. We have plenty to talk about here
<v Speaker 1>on a Game mess Mornings with Me Jeff Grubb, that's
<v Speaker 1>Janet Shoa let's get into it with no, the next
<v Speaker 1>gen Xbox does not run on ARM. Here's what you
<v Speaker 1>need to know. That is a headline from Jess Cordon
<v Speaker 1>over at Windows Central. Really people were thinking that maybe, hey,
<v Speaker 1>there's evidence here that the next Xbox actually is switching
<v Speaker 1>to an ARM chip from Qualcom a Snapdragon. Jess Cordon
<v Speaker 1>kind of like provide some light on this situation to
<v Speaker 1>kind of clear things up. The next gen Xbox console
<v Speaker 1>offering is shrouded in mystery, but as we head closer
<v Speaker 1>to the inevitable, big revealed details are beginning to leak out. Recently,
<v Speaker 1>I exclusively shared that Xbox is working on Project Kennon
<v Speaker 1>in partnership with Asis, which is to serve as a
<v Speaker 1>test bet of sorts for its Xbox PC initiative. Microsoft
<v Speaker 1>wants the Xbox experience on Windows eleven to be as
<v Speaker 1>user friendly as possible to help support a range of
<v Speaker 1>devices that might be more accessible to users who aren't
<v Speaker 1>used to or simply don't want the complexity that that
<v Speaker 1>often comes with PC gaming. To that end, there has
<v Speaker 1>been some speculation about what the next gen Xbox hardware
<v Speaker 1>might look like. From his previous reporting, Jess corden says
<v Speaker 1>Xbox next gen hardware is targeting around twenty twenty seven,
<v Speaker 1>although it's still not clear if that's the launch or
<v Speaker 1>the reveal, although it's probably the launch from what I understand,
<v Speaker 1>there will be a true Xbox handheld made by Microsoft,
<v Speaker 1>complete with the docking station emulating the Nintendo switch. That
<v Speaker 1>seems like new information as well, where it's like they're
<v Speaker 1>maybe going the full switch route for a device eventually,
<v Speaker 1>while Kennon is this first tiptoe into the idea of
<v Speaker 1>let's have an interface that makes sense on a PC
<v Speaker 1>for people who just want a quote unquote Xbox anyway.
<v Speaker 1>Yesterday there was a potential new development shared by Throat
<v Speaker 1>dot com, which, with hints from Qualcomm's website, a job
<v Speaker 1>listing on the snap Dragon chip maker seems to on
<v Speaker 1>their website seems to suggest the firm is working on
<v Speaker 1>next gen Xbox hardware with snap Dragon solutions. Throat speculated
<v Speaker 1>that this could indicate that the next gen Xbox hardware
<v Speaker 1>might have a snap Dragon chip snap Dragon chipset, which
<v Speaker 1>would be a pretty big step for Microsoft gaming platform.
<v Speaker 1>Some of the job description details read as follows support
<v Speaker 1>and selling activities for next generation of service in Xbox
<v Speaker 1>products built on snap Dragon solutions. That's the part that
<v Speaker 1>really got people wondering, Oh, is this going to be
<v Speaker 1>in an Xbox over at for just coordinates is Our
<v Speaker 1>source is confirmed to me this morning that the next
<v Speaker 1>Xbox systems, however, are not based on Qualcom chips. There
<v Speaker 1>might be some third party designed for Xbox Armed offerings
<v Speaker 1>like the Logitech g Cloud, but the main planned from Microsoft,
<v Speaker 1>at least for now, is for the next gen Xbox
<v Speaker 1>systems to have as much compatibility with the with the
<v Speaker 1>current library as possible. The overheads required to emulate games
<v Speaker 1>built for Microsoft's AMD based systems are beyond what a
<v Speaker 1>snap Dragon lineup is currently capable of, and that was
<v Speaker 1>like my first reaction here is I could see them
<v Speaker 1>going with an ARM based chip chip like, because that's
<v Speaker 1>definitely the way the winds are blowing. But it's not.
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't be a Snapdragon Snapdragon. While you know they're
<v Speaker 1>very powerful, sure they're not there yet. This would have
<v Speaker 1>to be something really beefy and really customized, and it
<v Speaker 1>just seems unlikely Microsoft maybe designing their own ship in
<v Speaker 1>partnership with ARM the way Apple does. That's something I
<v Speaker 1>thought maybe could happen, but it's definitely if they are
<v Speaker 1>prioritizing compatibility jan they are not going to go in
<v Speaker 1>the route of ARM. Yet it does still seem like
<v Speaker 1>something that is on the timeline here. Eventually they are
<v Speaker 1>going to go in that direction, but by twenty twenty
<v Speaker 1>seven that's probably too aggressive to go with an ARM
<v Speaker 1>based solution. And that's probably the right answer, right if
<v Speaker 1>you're still you know, Xbox, and while everything is an Xbox,
<v Speaker 1>the one thing you probably still can't do is make
<v Speaker 1>a new Xbox system that doesn't have full compatibility with
<v Speaker 1>people's libraries that they've spent years building up.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, a lot of this goes over my head, Grub,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be honest.
<v Speaker 1>That's okay. Right now you need to know is it's
<v Speaker 1>going to be an Xbox the way an Xbox Series
<v Speaker 1>X is it has a computer chip in there instead
<v Speaker 1>of a phone chip. That's you know, that's the big
<v Speaker 1>difference between ARM and X eighty six Oki Doki.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Microsoft is in a very interesting space, and I
<v Speaker 2>think I think the thing that they've been wanting to
<v Speaker 2>push is that everything is an Xbox because they want
<v Speaker 2>you to play their games, and I don't know. I
<v Speaker 2>guess as of right now, Microsoft seems like in more
<v Speaker 2>okay space than PlayStation is at least, and I don't
<v Speaker 2>like long term for long term right because they are
<v Speaker 2>acknowledge acknowledging the extensive library that people have, like you mentioned,
<v Speaker 2>and they want people to play those games versus sometimes
<v Speaker 2>Sony can be a little bit kg and weird about
<v Speaker 2>recognizing every era prior to this one.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. It's like the benefits here of Sticky with X
<v Speaker 1>eighty six right now is that you know you are
<v Speaker 1>You've turned into a company that makes video games. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>you were once a company that made you consoles and
<v Speaker 1>had an ecosystem, but right now your business really is
<v Speaker 1>does seem to be a company that makes video games,
<v Speaker 1>And so you can't abandon Xbox being what it is
<v Speaker 1>for that smaller audience of people that are going to
<v Speaker 1>continue to buy Xboxes, which is not going to be massive.
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem like, but those are your most dedicated players,
<v Speaker 1>Like they're not the ones you test this on. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>you do have some other devices, the handhelds, I could
<v Speaker 1>see this happening, but they are going to need a
<v Speaker 1>concerted effort of backward compatibility, and like a translation layer
<v Speaker 1>similar to what happens on steam Deck, but for X
<v Speaker 1>eighty six games going over to ARM, which is not
<v Speaker 1>something that even steam Deck is doing. It's taking things
<v Speaker 1>from Windows to Linux. That's a little bit easier, even
<v Speaker 1>though that was a challenge for a while. So prioritizing
<v Speaker 1>compatibility makes sense in the meantime, you know they're handheld
<v Speaker 1>is probably also That means it's probably at least the
<v Speaker 1>first one's probably going to have to be X eighty six,
<v Speaker 1>although I wonder if there's a point here where they
<v Speaker 1>again working with third parties and partners to say, maybe
<v Speaker 1>one of these things could be the ARM based version
<v Speaker 1>that's supposed to have much better battery and doesn't have
<v Speaker 1>a fan and it doesn't run every game, but we're
<v Speaker 1>going to like work on support over time. They have
<v Speaker 1>Windows for ARM already. It's just you know, the translation there,
<v Speaker 1>the the you know, the getting everything to work has
<v Speaker 1>not been great. It's getting better, but yeah, I think
<v Speaker 1>I think this is probably a point where they like
<v Speaker 1>just stick to the core chips for their primary consoles,
<v Speaker 1>maybe the handheld, and then in the future maybe they
<v Speaker 1>have a slow transition over to this other hardware. I
<v Speaker 1>could see that could going that way.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if they wanted to experiment and do that handheld.
<v Speaker 2>For as much as people are saying that it may
<v Speaker 2>be too little, too late, I this website loves handheld scrub.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, Yeah, I think that there's gonna be because
<v Speaker 1>the Steam's only sold, like Steam Deck's only sold like
<v Speaker 1>six million or in that range, maybe only like four
<v Speaker 1>or five million of the six million handhelds that have
<v Speaker 1>been sold since the Steam Deck came out. I think
<v Speaker 1>that's how it is. That space is just going to
<v Speaker 1>keep growing every year. More and more people are gonna
<v Speaker 1>come to PC handhelds and really just handhelds in general,
<v Speaker 1>and Xbox will probably have something. PlayStation's clearly clearly going
<v Speaker 1>to have something as well. Before we move on from this,
<v Speaker 1>does that idea of an Xbox handheld with a dock
<v Speaker 1>that works a lot like a switch sound enticing to you?
<v Speaker 2>I guess so. I'm I'm one of those people though
<v Speaker 2>grub that has never really put their switch into the dock.
<v Speaker 2>I prime play it handheld. The only time I throw
<v Speaker 2>it in the doc is like when we need to
<v Speaker 2>capture switch footage. Yeah, and that's about it. Otherwise, Like
<v Speaker 2>I'm just primarily playing that handheld. I do understand the
<v Speaker 2>utility though, if for Xbox wanting to kind of take
<v Speaker 2>over the whole living room experience, right of, Like, all right,
<v Speaker 2>you can take it off, basically promising the same promises
<v Speaker 2>of the switch.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Yeah, I got to say. I do not understand people.
<v Speaker 1>There's someone a chat here saying they only play DOCT. Sorry,
<v Speaker 1>I just don't understand your life. I can't. I know
<v Speaker 1>Vinnie Caravella has only ever played the switch doc. He says,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what is what is happening in your world?
<v Speaker 1>That that's possible, but hey, good for you, even if
<v Speaker 1>it's not my life. Teach their own, all right. Nintendo
<v Speaker 1>confirms switch To will include much requested accessibility feature. This
<v Speaker 1>is from Jordan Midler at VGC. The Nintendo switch To
<v Speaker 1>will support text the speech. This feature, which has been
<v Speaker 1>shown off in a new gameplay clip of the Nintendo
<v Speaker 1>switch to S game chat feature, shows players typing messages
<v Speaker 1>into the system, which are then read by the system
<v Speaker 1>itself the game. The system also has live captioning, so
<v Speaker 1>when people are talking, it can put a like block
<v Speaker 1>over on the right side of the screen that will
<v Speaker 1>say what people are saying in text so you can
<v Speaker 1>sort of read the captions. It's like, okay, you know,
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo is forcing us into game chat a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>We kind of were asking them to do something along
<v Speaker 1>these lines, but at this point, everyone else has Discord support,
<v Speaker 1>so it's like, of course Nintendo's not gonna have that.
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna have their own thing. But at least it
<v Speaker 1>seems fully featured in a lot of ways. In some ways,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like surprised that it has live captioning. I guess
<v Speaker 1>is what I'll say, Jan, what do you think.
<v Speaker 2>I think that is going to wear out that battery
<v Speaker 2>really quick.
<v Speaker 1>I think game chat in general is like, yeah, it
<v Speaker 1>just seems like such a what's the word like in
<v Speaker 1>your face? An over the top solution for a handheld
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, do we really need to make everything
<v Speaker 1>about the video chat and all these other like bells
<v Speaker 1>and whistles that are happening with communication. I just need
<v Speaker 1>to talk to my team when I'm playing a game.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Honestly, there there are moments where, you know how
<v Speaker 2>some games will have like the Discord overlay and I'll
<v Speaker 2>you know, flash, who's talking yeah Discord that Uh. Sometimes
<v Speaker 2>I find that to be too intrusive. Yeah, and now
<v Speaker 2>having to see everyone's faces pop up and grub. I'm
<v Speaker 2>not gonna lie. I'm gonna be very self conscious playing
<v Speaker 2>my switch to and playing through game chat because like
<v Speaker 2>it is the most unflattering angle that I Yeah, right.
<v Speaker 1>There, let me put your right in my double chin. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and take a look at that thing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you're right. I don't know. I'm I'm glad to have
<v Speaker 1>it because my kids are totally going to use this
<v Speaker 1>when they're playing with their cousins. It's way more handy
<v Speaker 1>than what we do, which is a you know, a
<v Speaker 1>phone in one hand and a switch in the other,
<v Speaker 1>and sure, whatever that works. But this is this will
<v Speaker 1>be cool for that. I'm guessing that my hope is
<v Speaker 1>just that game chat does not like cause any headaches
<v Speaker 1>when we're not using it or when we need it.
<v Speaker 1>It is like there is the most minimal version of
<v Speaker 1>it that we can engage, and I guess I'm sure
<v Speaker 1>that that's possible. Though it's Nintendo. So now that I've
<v Speaker 1>said the sentence, I'm sure, I'm no longer sure because
<v Speaker 1>it's Nintendo.
<v Speaker 2>I know that like us us here and like a
<v Speaker 2>good chunk of the community or kind of like poop
<v Speaker 2>pooing on game chat. A lot of folks have been
<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, we have discord blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 2>But I do think the utility of kids getting together
<v Speaker 2>is going to be something that we're all overlooking. And
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, you know, creating that ease of access of
<v Speaker 2>kids being able to like pop open game chat just
<v Speaker 2>press of a button and chat with friends, I think
<v Speaker 2>that is something we may be overlooking. I think Fortnite
<v Speaker 2>is coming to the Switch too, yeah, oh.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. I mean it'll be backward compatible, but I
<v Speaker 1>think they're already playing, you know, switch to version very early.
<v Speaker 2>This is going to be huge for the kids. Uh
<v Speaker 2>just you know, firing open uh uh a Fortnight on
<v Speaker 2>the go.
<v Speaker 1>I mean Minecraft. I think Minecraft is like one of
<v Speaker 1>the one of the bigger platforms. Minecraft I think is
<v Speaker 1>the switch Yeah uh and I you know, I just
<v Speaker 1>subscribe to realms for my kids. So it's like we're
<v Speaker 1>going to be We're going to be spending a lot
<v Speaker 1>of time in this thing.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, like the gimmicks, they love playing Goat Simulator.
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps they want to play Goat Simulator with some friends
<v Speaker 2>and just like.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, the whole time. Yeah, yeah, So I mean
<v Speaker 1>the whole the whole idea, the whole way that kids
<v Speaker 1>play games is just like they just want to mess around,
<v Speaker 1>and then they want to mess around while their friends
<v Speaker 1>get to see them doing stupid stuff in the game,
<v Speaker 1>and then they just laugh and laugh, laugh their heads off.
<v Speaker 1>So I think, yeah, I think game trait is actually
<v Speaker 1>going to be That's I think that's the reason that
<v Speaker 1>Tendo's making such a big deal about it because they
<v Speaker 1>know that the you know, younger audience is absolutely going
<v Speaker 1>to go crazy for because it really is going to work,
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that it's sort of built in is
<v Speaker 1>going to feel pretty special compared to the way like
<v Speaker 1>you know, Discord works on the console, where I think
<v Speaker 1>you still have to like bring your phone in there
<v Speaker 1>to activate some stuff and it's just a little cumbersome. Here,
<v Speaker 1>it'll be easy and for families, so it'll get the
<v Speaker 1>benefit of that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think the reason why some of us
<v Speaker 2>may be pooh poohing on it is because the way
<v Speaker 2>that Nintendo has presented it and using like a bunch
<v Speaker 2>of pretty adults in their twenties and thirties just like,
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, would you do when in reality it's will
<v Speaker 2>be a bunch of kids just goofing off and playing around.
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like that utility ultimately is going to
<v Speaker 2>be better served with younger audiences.
<v Speaker 1>Younger audiences and Paul Rudd' that's the that's.
<v Speaker 2>The audience, of course, the Eternal Vampire Paul Rudd.
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo explains why Mario Kart World is the perfect launch title.
<v Speaker 1>This is from my Nintendo News and Versus published an
<v Speaker 1>interview with Nintendo's Senior vice president of Product Development, Nate Bildorff,
<v Speaker 1>and asked him why the company opted to launch the
<v Speaker 1>system with the surefire hit Mario Kart World. Nate explained
<v Speaker 1>that Mario Kart is one of the most broadly accessible games,
<v Speaker 1>therefore making it the perfect game to launch a brand
<v Speaker 1>new system. With the fact that Mario Kart Mario Kardie
<v Speaker 1>Delex Stormain's the best selling Nintendo Switch game of all
<v Speaker 1>time by a fair margin, probably went some way and
<v Speaker 1>influencing the decision to jan sure, Yeah, okay, yeah, all that,
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. My question to you is Mario Kart World
<v Speaker 1>for that first month is that enough? Is it enough
<v Speaker 1>to justify the switch too?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, for me, personally, No, just because I like
<v Speaker 2>playing Mario Kart enough. I just don't think it's gonna
<v Speaker 2>capture my whole time with a switch too. And that's
<v Speaker 2>why I chose not to join in on the pre
<v Speaker 2>order the madness but palooza and madness, h huh. But
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of people it will be and you know,
<v Speaker 2>the I don't want to say copium, but for the
<v Speaker 2>folks that picked up the switch to and like they're
<v Speaker 2>looking for something to if that's their only option, they're
<v Speaker 2>going to play the crap out of Mario Kart World Tour.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's I mean, I am excited about World. I
<v Speaker 1>am ready. I think I Am going to have a
<v Speaker 1>very good time with it. But part of that is
<v Speaker 1>definitely like what I'm like talking myself into it. A
<v Speaker 1>little bit. I believe what I'm what I'm talking myself into,
<v Speaker 1>but it is a little bit of like, that's what
<v Speaker 1>I have there as an option, and I just want
<v Speaker 1>to switch to and I want to be excited for it.
<v Speaker 1>So that gets a big part of it for me.
<v Speaker 1>But for that general audience, for the normies out there,
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be more than enough. And then
<v Speaker 1>that first month is going to fly By Donkey Kong
<v Speaker 1>will be here before we even know it. And at
<v Speaker 1>that point, for me, it's like, well, now there's no
<v Speaker 1>question Donkey Kong and Mario Kart this of course, of
<v Speaker 1>course I'm going to need to have this system, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I think most normal people beyond that, it's gonna be
<v Speaker 1>like wow, maybe when it has like five games that
<v Speaker 1>I really really want, that's when I'll jump on board.
<v Speaker 1>And I totally get that, and I think it's it
<v Speaker 1>won't take that long for the system to get there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but Mario, like, if you could only have one game
<v Speaker 1>to launch the system with, it is Mario Kart, right.
<v Speaker 1>There is no other replacement.
<v Speaker 2>For that, and especially with how there seems to be
<v Speaker 2>a lot of hidden secrets and different things to do
<v Speaker 2>in Mario Kart World that Nintendo's yet to reveal. They
<v Speaker 2>primarily only talked about like racing and costumes and just
<v Speaker 2>how like the flow of racing works. They haven't really
<v Speaker 2>delved into how open that world may be, and I'm
<v Speaker 2>curious to see what people will will discover with that.
<v Speaker 2>And also Grub, I think the thing that Nintendo needs
<v Speaker 2>to hammer home as a sticking point is the upgraded
<v Speaker 2>versions of some of these Switch one games, right, you can, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>for folks that may be skipped out on Breath of
<v Speaker 2>the Wild or Tiers of the Kingdom because they were
<v Speaker 2>kind of worried about how it performed on the Switch one.
<v Speaker 2>Here you go, here are two gigantic games to lose
<v Speaker 2>hours in.
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right, Like, I bet that it is
<v Speaker 1>one of the things Nintendo's looking at right because Breath
<v Speaker 1>of the Wild it's like near forty million copies sold
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. It's thirty five to forty million,
<v Speaker 1>and Tiers of the Kingdom went to twenty million pretty
<v Speaker 1>much instantly, but it has like sold relatively slowly since then.
<v Speaker 1>Basically it's selling at about the same rate as Breath of
<v Speaker 1>the Wild is now as well. They're both selling about
<v Speaker 1>the same amount per month, so it's just not going
<v Speaker 1>to catch up to that. I wonder if like that
<v Speaker 1>fifteen million to the fifteen to twenty million that bought
<v Speaker 1>Breath of the Wild that didn't buy Tiers of the
<v Speaker 1>Kingdom were like either saying to themselves, I'm sure many
<v Speaker 1>of them just dropped off and are like, I play
<v Speaker 1>Breath the Wild, I don't need to know there. Zelda game.
<v Speaker 1>But I wonder if there's a huge portion of that audience.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, I was kind of thinking to get
<v Speaker 1>the next Zelda on the Switch too, which I know
<v Speaker 1>is coming pretty soon, so I'm gonna wait. I wonder
<v Speaker 1>if there's a lot of people who just decided to
<v Speaker 1>wait until they had to switch to to play this
<v Speaker 1>thing on.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that is realistic expectation, grub. I think,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we saw folks feeling similarly with the Final
<v Speaker 2>Fantasy seven remakes, and I don't think it's out of
<v Speaker 2>the realm possibility to think the same thing or a
<v Speaker 2>similar thing about Tears of the Kingdom. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>maybe if folks were kind of not pleased with how
<v Speaker 2>Breath of the Wild ran in certain aspects of the game.
<v Speaker 2>And we had had rumors about the switch to for
<v Speaker 2>years now, so I understand that hesitation to explore Tears
<v Speaker 2>of the Kingdom in favor of waiting for whatever an
<v Speaker 2>upgrade would be.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, before we move on from Nintendo stuff. So someone
<v Speaker 1>asking about variable refresh rate. We talked about that last week.
<v Speaker 1>I think since then, Nintendo actually came out and apologized
<v Speaker 1>for saying that it would work in doc mode. A
<v Speaker 1>doc mode. It works in handheld mode. The handheld screen
<v Speaker 1>has VRR, but it seems like there's some issue with
<v Speaker 1>the DOC ands one of the components that it uses
<v Speaker 1>that seems to be causing a problem with VRR working
<v Speaker 1>in doc mode. Nintendo was asked if it would happening
<v Speaker 1>at some point in the future, and they did not
<v Speaker 1>provide like any sort of answer to that. They're just like,
<v Speaker 1>we can't say anything in this moment. They didn't say no,
<v Speaker 1>they didn't say yes. And I wonder if it'll be
<v Speaker 1>possible if it is some issue with the hardware, maybe
<v Speaker 1>that's something they put into a revision at some point.
<v Speaker 1>I could probably see them doing that all right. Injustice
<v Speaker 1>three could be in development, according to a multi Versus
<v Speaker 1>Data Minor. This is from Jordan Miller at VGC. The
<v Speaker 1>development of a third game in the Injustice series is
<v Speaker 1>being teased by a multi Versus Data Minor. An account
<v Speaker 1>that had a history of posting information about MultiVersus content
<v Speaker 1>before it was officially revealed, has teased that a new
<v Speaker 1>game in the Injustice franchise is in development. Multi Versus
<v Speaker 1>Injustice both games from Warner Brothers. Let's see here, Multiverses
<v Speaker 1>shutting down is an injustice, then doing it all again
<v Speaker 1>is another injustice. Reads the post on Twitter from Multiverse Susie,
<v Speaker 1>Multiverse Susie, and then they finished up with leaving me
<v Speaker 1>without any Leaks is yet again another injustice. And then
<v Speaker 1>they replied to that tweet with the number three, So
<v Speaker 1>trying to be pretty overt there. Do you think the
<v Speaker 1>implication here is that the multi versus team, which is,
<v Speaker 1>are they still even a team? I can't. I'm trying
<v Speaker 1>to remember. Did they shut down, like maybe they might
<v Speaker 1>be helping out with Injustice three here or something like that,
<v Speaker 1>because now the round probably is ready to move on
<v Speaker 1>to something else after that last Mortal Kombat game. Seems
<v Speaker 1>like they will wound that down, and that means to
<v Speaker 1>me the next logical thing is now, it's let's bounce
<v Speaker 1>back to two Injustice after doing two Mortal Kombat games
<v Speaker 1>in a row, so they are probably working on it.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that there's something some multi versus action
<v Speaker 1>happening here where that team is helping out.
<v Speaker 2>Folks are saying that that studio may may have closed down, so.
<v Speaker 1>I yeah, I think I remember that now, Yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>think that's that sounds right.
<v Speaker 2>I would hope that there are a good chunk of
<v Speaker 2>that talent maybe have been moved over to another realm
<v Speaker 2>or in some other support capacity, just so those folks
<v Speaker 2>are staying employed. Yeah, maybe that's what happened to Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you know, some of the Multiverse team. Only that crew
<v Speaker 2>knows how Lebron James moves in a video game world,
<v Speaker 2>you know that's right.
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, in mysterious ways.
<v Speaker 2>In very mysterious ways. The chalk throwing, it's not it is.
<v Speaker 2>It is a blessing. Uh, and I could see that
<v Speaker 2>being a fatality of sorts. It's a it's a no
<v Speaker 2>brainer for Injustice uh to be on on the way.
<v Speaker 2>Another realm has kind of been in the moral combat
<v Speaker 2>minds for what seems like forever now, and especially with
<v Speaker 2>this big push that DC is making for any and
<v Speaker 2>everything DC.
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like that Super My movies prime to do
<v Speaker 1>very well. Uh, so like there could be a lot
<v Speaker 1>of momentum, but in Justice three is probably years away still.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like if things go accordingly with with
<v Speaker 2>how DC wants their DC universe or their movies to perform.
<v Speaker 2>An Injustice game would tie into that fantastically. I am
<v Speaker 2>very hesitant about DC movies, and that's not just because
<v Speaker 2>I am more of a Marvel person. I do love
<v Speaker 2>me some Batman. It just feels like, of course, the
<v Speaker 2>overall situation at WB is kind of a mess.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's more precarious.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what app to watch for HBO anymore, grub.
<v Speaker 1>Don't even worry about it. If you just stand still
<v Speaker 1>long enough, it'll be back to being being just called
<v Speaker 1>HBO again and that's it. Okay, Yeah, okay, just give
<v Speaker 1>it a couple more years, and Justice three is something
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure was always going to happen eventually. It seems
<v Speaker 1>like it probably is happening right now. When we get it,
<v Speaker 1>probably probably two to three years off still, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>probably closer to three actually.
<v Speaker 2>I mean Nether Realm has a fantastic engine that they're
<v Speaker 2>working with, and like the last moral of Combat was great.
<v Speaker 2>I would love to see how that gets adapted for
<v Speaker 2>Injustice and whether or not. I mean this, this current
<v Speaker 2>regime of DC grub is interesting because it feels like
<v Speaker 2>if you went to James Gun and was like, yo,
<v Speaker 2>can Superman do fatalities and he'll be like, fuck, yeah, dog,
<v Speaker 2>let's go.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, I think you're right. Bringing a little James
<v Speaker 1>Gunn just seasoning onto some of these video games I
<v Speaker 1>think could go a long way. I'm still a big
<v Speaker 1>fan of that guy. All right, last headline I have here, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>let's go with this one. Square Enix wanted to shut
<v Speaker 1>down Final Fantasy eleven last year, but fan interest was
<v Speaker 1>too high. This is from Ben Lyons, a game reactor. Basically, like,
<v Speaker 1>that's an MMO that's been running since two thousand and two.
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy in some regions, that's how long it's been running, though.
<v Speaker 1>They they're constantly looking at and assessing it here. But
<v Speaker 1>they went on to say that when they did even
<v Speaker 1>consider it, they were looking around and in some ways
<v Speaker 1>there are more people playing now than have been in
<v Speaker 1>quite some time. Like it kind of is growing in
<v Speaker 1>popularity again. And that's just what happens with some of
<v Speaker 1>these MMOs, right, They just entered this period of eternal stasis,
<v Speaker 1>and that seems to be where Final Fantasy eleven is.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I h a friend of the site, John Carson.
<v Speaker 2>I saw him skating the other day about getting back
<v Speaker 2>at the World of Warcraft and like Dog, that's crazy,
<v Speaker 2>but hell yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, that's I mean World of Warcraft and that
<v Speaker 1>one's like it's crazy, but that's like way more normal
<v Speaker 1>than some of these other ones where it's like, people,
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go back to to uh, I can't remember
<v Speaker 1>ever EverQuest, EverQuest. Yes, thank you, I'm gonna go back
<v Speaker 1>to EverQuest. I'm all right, yeah, you do you man,
<v Speaker 1>I can't stop you. No.
<v Speaker 2>It just seems like weird for Square to kind of
<v Speaker 2>be wanting to get rid of an existing audience that
<v Speaker 2>is very loyal to them.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. But I think once they like realized that part
<v Speaker 1>of it, they're like, you know what, it's completely worth
<v Speaker 1>the money we're spending because we're actually still probably making
<v Speaker 1>money on this thing.
<v Speaker 2>And I think they have a this is a good
<v Speaker 2>problem that a lot of studios wish they had, where
<v Speaker 2>a game since two thousand and two is still passively
<v Speaker 2>making them money.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly.
<v Speaker 2>Like I was interested in checking out Final Fantasy eleven
<v Speaker 2>maybe a year or two ago instead of Final Fantasy
<v Speaker 2>fourteen just to piss off the internet.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and then everyone's like, don't do that, You're crazy,
<v Speaker 1>And that makes me want to do it more.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and grew up like the MMO world. I know,
<v Speaker 2>it is a very different space than how it was
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago. There's still people playing RuneScape,
<v Speaker 2>They're still right, yes, yeah, there's still people in the
<v Speaker 2>like waves. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's like new waves of people like playing those
<v Speaker 1>all the time. They're like trying, like, hey, I want
<v Speaker 1>to go back to that, and those games are waiting
<v Speaker 1>for them and like have sort of made themselves the
<v Speaker 1>best possible situations, replace themselves in the best possible situation
<v Speaker 1>to bring back people who want to come back. They're like,
<v Speaker 1>here's ring Escape classic in plays just like you remember.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, uh okay, before we get into the poll
<v Speaker 1>question I did, there was a story I was gonna
<v Speaker 1>do kind of just skip it. Let's just do the
<v Speaker 1>small details becase I'm gonna do the poll question based
<v Speaker 1>on it. Some eighty dollars games are a steal, according
<v Speaker 1>to a former PlayStation executive. Mostly I just wanted to ask, hey,
<v Speaker 1>is this anyone like, does anyone paid eighty dollars for
<v Speaker 1>a game? It felt good about it, I guess really
<v Speaker 1>there haven't has there even been a single eighty dollars
<v Speaker 1>game yet, excuse me, other than Mario Kart, probably not
<v Speaker 1>for most things, but I think man losing my voice,
<v Speaker 1>I think for the most part, like I see where
<v Speaker 1>he's where he's coming at with this. This is shoe
<v Speaker 1>Hey Yoshida, who was formerly a PlayStation for a very
<v Speaker 1>long time. Where it's like when we like just compare
<v Speaker 1>things side by side, eighty dollars for a game, or
<v Speaker 1>you know, one hundred dollars to take the family to
<v Speaker 1>a movie for a couple hours, I get like the
<v Speaker 1>reasoning that these executives come up with. I think we're
<v Speaker 1>at a point where people are just done with comparisons,
<v Speaker 1>and and really the only comparison that they care about
<v Speaker 1>it is like you're asking for eighty for a new
<v Speaker 1>far Cry game that feels exactly like, if not worse
<v Speaker 1>than the other far Cry game that I actually ended
<v Speaker 1>up paying thirty dollars for because I got it on sale.
<v Speaker 1>And so when people get these games that are sort
<v Speaker 1>of run through the mill of like we're just gonna
<v Speaker 1>put it in the factory, here's the formula we're gonna
<v Speaker 1>make it, eighty dollars makes those games seem even more
<v Speaker 1>starkly like, oh I can notice all the problems and
<v Speaker 1>all the things I hate about them. I think it
<v Speaker 1>brings that stuff out more. So, it's like a dangerous
<v Speaker 1>thing that these companies are playing with. Even if a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't spend the eighty dollars on it,
<v Speaker 1>they know the companies asking for eighty dollars, and they
<v Speaker 1>just get in their heads like this thing is not
<v Speaker 1>worth that price. It makes them more susceptible to criticism.
<v Speaker 2>I think, what do you think, Yeah, I wouldn't. I
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't bring up this comparison game because you're you're just
<v Speaker 2>putting the rake right in front of you and stepping
<v Speaker 2>on it, yeah, and then jumping on it where folks
<v Speaker 2>are already you know, pinching pennies wherever they can. But
<v Speaker 2>then the other part of that is like time rub
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I've spent this much time earning eighty dollars.
<v Speaker 2>Will this eighty dollars like benefit me in the long
<v Speaker 2>run if I spend on a game, or I buy food,
<v Speaker 2>or or perhaps like you said, like visit the movies,
<v Speaker 2>where you know, movies are ultimately a more passive experience
<v Speaker 2>where you can just like and more general experience where
<v Speaker 2>you could just chat with friends or whatever, listen to podcasts,
<v Speaker 2>and I think with especially with the world where we're
<v Speaker 2>kind of in now with content creators and streamers, there
<v Speaker 2>are folks that will choose to not play a game
<v Speaker 2>or not pay eighty dollars and in favor of watching
<v Speaker 2>someone else play it instead.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's like a big part of this
<v Speaker 1>is just these companies have used every other method to
<v Speaker 1>squeeze as much money from us as possible. So we've
<v Speaker 1>had years of early early part of us like online
<v Speaker 1>passes and ten dollars, like you know, passes of like
<v Speaker 1>stuff you can only get if you buy the game new,
<v Speaker 1>so if you buy it used, you got to give
<v Speaker 1>us another ten dollars so you can un lock all
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. And then micro transactions in every game and
<v Speaker 1>those taking the forms of you know, unlocks card packs
<v Speaker 1>that might have stuff in there, you know that you
<v Speaker 1>can only get randomly, and that stuff being used to
<v Speaker 1>take advantage of us and get as much money out
<v Speaker 1>out of us as possible. Now battle passes, so we
<v Speaker 1>spend as much time in these games as possible, which
<v Speaker 1>increases the amount of money people tend us to spend.
<v Speaker 1>All of these like knobs that they turn on our
<v Speaker 1>brains to get us to spend as much money on
<v Speaker 1>their games as possible, and then on top of that,
<v Speaker 1>the games are getting more expensive, so it's just an
<v Speaker 1>assault from all sides to the point where you cannot
<v Speaker 1>put the eighty dollars in a vacuum and then just
<v Speaker 1>compare it to going to the movies or anything else.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, no, we know what you're really doing here.
<v Speaker 1>And so I think people are just kind of at
<v Speaker 1>their limit with that stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And with how easy it is, with you know, these
<v Speaker 2>handheld PCs being more and more of a thing, with
<v Speaker 2>general audiences, gaming laptops being more of a thing, games
<v Speaker 2>being put out everywhere. When I hear eighty dollars for
<v Speaker 2>one game, I can't help but do the mental math
<v Speaker 2>of like, well, I couldn't I could spend that time
<v Speaker 2>playing Fortnite or Minecraft for free, or I could pick
<v Speaker 2>up like two to three amazing indie games that will
<v Speaker 2>occupy the same amount of time that that one eighty
<v Speaker 2>dollars game would, because like I'm thinking of Blueprints at
<v Speaker 2>thirty dollars or however it is, I'm like, that is
<v Speaker 2>a game you could get lost in for a good
<v Speaker 2>chunk of time, and I have and I did, and
<v Speaker 2>I think about something like skin Deep, which is a
<v Speaker 2>completely new experience for someone like me playing an im
<v Speaker 2>sim and I'm like fascinated by all the moving parts
<v Speaker 2>in there versus whatever eighty dollars game, which feels like
<v Speaker 2>a triple A blockbuster that it can kind of just
<v Speaker 2>be intimidating and exhausting to engage with.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you're right, like all that like is already
<v Speaker 1>working against some of these bigger games. Eighty dollars price
<v Speaker 1>just really emphasizes all of those things in a lot
<v Speaker 1>of ways.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as guy and YouTube Chad is like Expedition thirty
<v Speaker 2>three for fifty dollars does feel like robbery.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>Expedition thirty three is still on the top of my
<v Speaker 2>list for game of the year so far, and for
<v Speaker 2>that to be fifty bucks, like that is a steal
<v Speaker 2>for what you're getting with that, yep.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's a lot of sensitivity around like what
<v Speaker 1>like talking about what that game means for other games.
<v Speaker 1>I get that, but it also feels clearly like something
<v Speaker 1>we just can't ignore. It really does indicate some other
<v Speaker 1>stuff happening in video games all right, pull question. Let's
<v Speaker 1>get to that. This is from Friday. Are you interested
<v Speaker 1>in playing big third party ports on switch to, like
<v Speaker 1>say Cyberpunk? Twenty nine percent of people said yes they are.
<v Speaker 1>Fifty four percent of people said no they aren't, so almost,
<v Speaker 1>you know, doubleding a number of people said no versus yes,
<v Speaker 1>and then seventeen percent said I'm not interested in the
<v Speaker 1>switch to it all, So just discount them. You know,
<v Speaker 1>most people buying a switch are going to buy it
<v Speaker 1>for Nintendo games, right, And then I think there is
<v Speaker 1>going like, I think twenty nine percent of you know,
<v Speaker 1>or you know, let's say that's fifty percent or I'm sorry,
<v Speaker 1>thirty three point three percent of the people who are
<v Speaker 1>saying yes or no, and you discounting the people aren't
<v Speaker 1>going to get a switch to. That's like a number
<v Speaker 1>I think third party developers can work with. Oh, but
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a It's also not something where it's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>expect every EA game to come to the switch to.
<v Speaker 1>That's that's probably still not on the table. But I
<v Speaker 1>think the ones that hit will hit hard and will
<v Speaker 1>find this audience of people who like like playing games
<v Speaker 1>on their switch. Now the switch to I.
<v Speaker 2>Think if I wasn't in this field, Grub, I think
<v Speaker 2>the switch To would be like the perfect console to
<v Speaker 2>pick up if I've kind of been ignoring this current
<v Speaker 2>gen because those third party games that are eventually going
<v Speaker 2>to get poured it over, I can finally check them out.
<v Speaker 2>Like I could play a Cyberpunk, I could play any
<v Speaker 2>of the like a Dragon series coming out, the Yaquiza
<v Speaker 2>series as well well. And on top of that, you
<v Speaker 2>have all the first party titles. Heck, if you've been
<v Speaker 2>curious about like the final Fantasy seven remake games, they're
<v Speaker 2>slowly going to come out to the switch To.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Final Fantasy seven Integrade will be on the
<v Speaker 1>switch To by the end of the year. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>all right, a new polk question here in a second,
<v Speaker 1>before we get to that, Jan, why don't we tell
<v Speaker 1>people we have happening on Giant Bomb for the rest
<v Speaker 1>of the week.
<v Speaker 2>It looks like a pretty standard week game this mornings
<v Speaker 2>from Wednesday to Friday, the Giant BombCast popping off tomorrow.
<v Speaker 2>We'll have a dump truck with a very special guest.
<v Speaker 2>Someone's birthdays coming up, so we're gonna go ahead and
<v Speaker 2>celebrate that upf as well. We got some plans to
<v Speaker 2>do some quick looks in the can. Dan is very
<v Speaker 2>interested in skin Deep. I kind of wanna do a
<v Speaker 2>quick look for Dropducci Ducky, whatever the heck the game
<v Speaker 2>is called.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, both, Yeah, and we're slowly like picking up pace
<v Speaker 1>on stuff that we're working on. We're gonna introduce some
<v Speaker 1>fun new stuff here pretty soon, but we are still
<v Speaker 1>taking care of a lot of stuff in the background,
<v Speaker 1>just getting everything's set up and planning for Summer Game Fest.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, don't expect too much right away. But you know,
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, there was definitely talks of maybe
<v Speaker 1>doing a demo derby this week. We'll see if we
<v Speaker 1>can make time for that, So look out for something
<v Speaker 1>like that. And then in the meantime, I think, you know,
<v Speaker 1>stuff like Monday Mornings missed with Mitch. That's something like
<v Speaker 1>once we get back from Summer Game Fest, we'll kick
<v Speaker 1>that stuff off in earnest here really really soon.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, once the new Pokemon game comes out later this year,
<v Speaker 2>or like that specific VGC Pokemon game comes out that
<v Speaker 2>they announced in that direct hover long ago that was
<v Speaker 2>I do intend to dust off the Pokemon Monday Night
<v Speaker 2>Combat Jim. Yeah, and you know, my favorite part about
<v Speaker 2>that show is that I rarely stream that on a Monday.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the best part. That's what everyone wants, all right,
<v Speaker 1>new pole question, do you think a game can be
<v Speaker 1>worth eighty dollars? Yes or no? We'll get the results
<v Speaker 1>of that. We'll talk about it here on giant Bomb
<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday, because tomorrow, as Jan said, we'll have the
<v Speaker 1>bomb Cast. All right, let's see here. Anything else we
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