2025 NFL Draft Day 2 Recap!

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where sometimes it's about the players who didn't get picked. I'm Greg Rosenthal here on night two of the NFL Draft. Rounds two and three are in the books, and I am thrilled to be joined for the first time this week by our friend Nick Shook. Welcome from Cleveland, who is in the mix tonight with quarterbacks, but not the one we would have expected.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got in the mix throughout the night. Obviously there's a big attention on them because of quarterback, but a shocker of sorts near the back end of the third round that I'm sure we're going to get into that. I'm also sure nobody saw coming. Right.

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Speaker 3: You want to lead the show with Dylan Gabriel, go do it.

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Speaker 1: You just wrote a post Nick is on NFL dot com right now like pounded out posts, And yes, it was kind of the appropriate code to a night that I think will be remembered because Shador Sanders didn't get drafted, and we'll get into some of the reasons why. And I don't want the whole show to be about should or we'll go through the other teams and all the interesting picks throughout the night kind of give you some highlights and winners, some losers, all of that. But I don't think it we're making too big of a deal of it to talk about one of the most well known players in college football over the last few years, that was on a lot of big boards, in the top twenty five, a contensus first round pick at quarterback, who falls this far. It's not just because his last name at Sanders. It's because of an entire ecosystem that not only maybe evaluated him in a way that was unfair to him and was wrong, but an entire league that just says, like, we don't even want you as our backup. We would rather have Jalen Milroe and Dylan Gabriel and Shoulder Serranders will wind up on a team on Saturday. But just kind of your thoughts watching the whole night.

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Speaker 2: Transpire like that, it was definitely pretty shocking. You know, it was not entirely surprising that he didn't go last night, but I thought at some point, perhaps even at thirty three at the Browns and the Clock, that he would be in play. I know a lot of the TV talk was centered around the fact that he didn't go in the first round, that he would be one of the top people to pay attention to going into Day two or Night two of the draft. And now that we're at the end of Night two and he's still available, well, now we kind of have to pick up the pieces and figure out why. We really won't know why at least for a while. At some point we'll find out. But yes, definitely a shock as we get to day three tomorrow and he's still not taken.

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Speaker 3: Like multiple things can be true.

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Speaker 1: He's not as physically talented or exciting in some ways as a Jalen Milroe or even a Tyler Shuck, and you can see why individual teams preferred Shuck. You can see that Kellen Moore would see Shuck as his kind of quarterback. He also is a guy that I think teams probably look at and it's not about his personality, it's about being worried about can we handle it? And they're almost, as Patrick Claiban would say on Blue Sky Tonight, afraid to compete, like they would rather take a guy like Dylan Gabriel who's a clear backup and they don't have to deal with any questions that come with Shoudar Sanders, and ultimately picks like that do.

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Speaker 3: Happen in NFL drafts.

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Speaker 1: It's not always players as famous as Shouldar Sanders. But it's also weak sauce to me. You know, Dylan Gabriel should not be going in.

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Speaker 3: Front of him.

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Speaker 2: Now, I agree, and I understand that there are questions about certain abilities or maybe he's just not all that special. And it's not a great quarterback class to begin with, and that's probably part of why we saw him elevated in last year's class. He's not in those top four or five guys that end up going anyway in the discussion, But you're absolutely right in the fact that teams are choosing to go with peace or quiet and not a bunch of attention paid, especially now that we're in the backup quarterback range, because I think they made a good point tonight on NFL Network as well, which is that at this point you're drafting him to be your backup, do you want the attention that's going to come with that? And you know, not to turn it back to Cleveland, But when I was with them with the Browns, that was when Odell was on the roster, and that was when if Odell wasn't healthy to play, it was all about Odell all the time, and it was a constant buzz, and it wasn't necessarily the most positive buzz, so I could understand why some teams wouldn't want that to affect them, unless you're a really stable franchise that knows you have a defined starter. But yeah, I agree, it's kind of weak sauce you don't want to compete so well. We won't know for a while exactly why so many teams have now passed on him, but eventually we will find out.

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Speaker 1: There really were fewer teams I think, that were in the quarterback market this draft that than usual, And it really was a week quarterback draft. And I watched Shadir Sanders his tape and it's not special tape. It doesn't look like the type of guy who would normally get taken early.

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Speaker 3: But let's go to Tyler Shuck.

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Speaker 1: When a guy like Tyler Shuck gets taken fortieth overall, it does remind you that this is a premium position that gets pushed up drafts. Tyler Schuck goes to the Saints at forty. He is older than Brock Perdy. My favorite thing I learned tonight in the entire draft is that Juwan Johnson and him were once teammates at Oregon. Juwan Johnson is a tight end on the Saints who's enter in his sixth NFL season and his third NFL contract. This is a guy in Shuck that had a ton of different injuries. He is talented, he can throw the ball, he can move, he's athletic. Jordan Rodrieg pointed out on this show that he's Kellen Morris type of guy.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it was to me privately. I don't think I'm giving it away.

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Speaker 1: It was just her, you know, connecting dots of the type of guy who's gonna basically do exactly what the play is called and and go from there. I just look at Shuck and I see a guy with injury history that absolutely crumbles when pressure is around him in the pocket. And yeah, you can say Shirr Sanders, for instance, holds the ball too long like that dude is not afraid. That is maybe the number one thing I'm looking for in a quarterback pocket presence. Every NFL quarterback can handle, you know, throwing the ball when they're protected. Well, the difference in the NFL is can you handle it when some pressure is around you? Do you have the pocket presence, you have the movement. Do you have special skills to create plays? Sanders maybe isn't doing that as much, but Shuck did not have that at all. So I don't think this pick is going to be great for them, and I think Tyler Shuck might be their Week one starting quarterback. It is crazy to me that I think they just took a bridge quarterback as their number forty over all bick because I kind of think them taking Shuck told me they don't expect Derek Carr back. I might be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Derek Carr traded this offseason. It would have to be after June first.

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Speaker 2: If that happens, well, yeah, because there are some terns about his availability. Right, But Greg, I'm old enough to remember, and I've been in this game long enough now to remember when Tyler Schuck was lighting up at the Elite eleven and when he was going to Oregon and everyone was like, this is such a good get for the Ducks. This is so I remember when I'm listening to back when there was a PAC twelve network, Yogi Roth talking about Tyler Shuck. Probably it was a massive get for the Ducks back then. That was a long time ago. And yet the first person I think of and that this is gonna be the common comp is going to be, well, the Browns once spend a first round pick on Brandon Weed, and so it can't be that bad. Well, it can be that bad if you have no other options. But then again, we're also in a world in which you can spend the fortieth overall pick on a quarterback be bad, and then spend the top pick or a top five or top ten pick on a Kyler Murray the next year or a payer of that caliber.

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Speaker 1: That is what I was saying when I think like they might have just drafted a bridge quarterback fortieth overall because if it just doesn't go well with this year, and there's not allow a reason to believe the Saints team is going to go particularly well, they'll be back in the quarterback market a year from now and you'll have like a reasonably priced back up.

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Speaker 3: It's not that crazy.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth because I always say take a quarterback every year until you find one, So they're giving him a shot. I think he's more talented than Brandon Whedon. You know who he kind of reminds me of, is another quarterback that went in the second round who actually had a lot of physical gifts, certainly better college production than Tyler Schuck, can make all the throws, but doesn't really play well under pressure.

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Speaker 3: A guy by the name of a Car, how about that.

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Speaker 1: Coming out of Fresno State, Carr was a better prospect, but he was a second round pick for a reason, and I think that was it. And he was a guy that I've never like loved watching because he doesn't play that great under pressure. And yeah, this Car thing to point it out, He's got a shoulder injury that could need surgery or it might not. It seems like there's something going on between the Saints and Derek Carr. Reportedly he asked for a raise earlier this offseason that they didn't give to him. He sounded like, you kind of wanted to go elsewhere. They would take a huge cap hit if they trade him anywhere before June first. But if you told me this adventure ends with Derek Carr being a backup somewhere Cleveland, I don't know. Cleveland has too many quarterbacks now, Like in August, after someone gets hurt.

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Speaker 3: That kind of is how I see that ending.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think Tyler Shuck is like the second most likely you know rookie to be starting like week one. If I was going like which rookie is starting earliest, Himmer, Jackson, Dart, I would go s Tyler Shuck just a guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because of the situation with car that makes sense. Although I will say I don't think the Browns have too many quarterbacks. I think that they remain in play beyond the drive even after Dylan Gabriel. You have we got Joe, Joe Flacco, and Dylan Gabriel. And in the last week and a half, when I was spending all this time with the you know, assorted family members, all I got was a million questions about Joe Flacco. Well, I'm glad to see they got Joe Flacco back, and I had to disappoint all of them in one fell swoop and saying what you got in twenty twenty three is not going to happen again. One of those guys, not Dylan Gabriel. Less it's an abject disaster which they don't expect is going to be expendable if a better option becomes available that that that situation is not set right now. So now don't be any picket.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget Kenny. Kenny Pickett is there as well.

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Speaker 1: And yes, Dylan Gabriel shout out to the to the short kings out there, like I'm rooting for him. Just an undersized guy who kind of profiled as a potential long term backup. People thought he might go to Miami because maybe a similar stide to a tongue by Loa and it's the fancy is good with quarterback, so they might have found it while we're on Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: It's just okay.

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Speaker 1: They tick the very first pick, Tonight Schwessinger, the linebacker out of UCLA. Then they come back and they take quinch On Judkins, the running back out of Ohio State, who was hilariously in the bathroom. We believe he wasn't in the room when they called him and so his mom had to pick up the phone. You thought it was going to be Travon Henderson, it ended up being his teammate Judkins, the bruiser whos kind of like the Nick Chubb replacement. And then they take tight end Harold Fannon Junior, who was a really unique player so a lot of offensive talent. Chwessinger was a guy who I thought might even go in the first round, and off ball linebacker.

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Speaker 3: As a Browns fan, what do you think about the Browns Draft?

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Speaker 2: I think it was a It was an interesting there's there's takes and angles on each of these. So let's start with Judkins because I just have to explain myself real quick, some mixed signals of sorts in the back channels that go on during the draft here in which, yeah, I thought it was going to be Travon Henderson and it wasn't. But when I think about the two running back they're two different that worked really well in tandem, in part because Judkins, at least when you watch him on tape and then you watch him at the combine, I think he's an incredible route runner and he's going to be a threat in that area. And he's the type of back that they're going to need to get some stability in the backfield because they've just been cycling through guys since Nick Chubb got hurt in twenty twenty three, and they need some sort of stability there. Don't be surprised if they find a way to bring Nick Chubb back, and it's sort of a weird three man backfield with him and Jerome Ford now Judkins. But I like that pick a lot. And then we go back to Schweshnder right. Okay, So at thirty three that's where I thought it was going to be Henderson. It ends up being him. And what it signaled to me was two things. One, this is a regime that does not draft linebackers often. The last linebacker of note that I can remember that they drafted in the first two or three rounds was Jeremiah Usu Koramoa, who also suffered an injury last year that has many people concerned whether he's going to play again. The Browns have remained KOI on the matter throughout the offseason. They have not given any details. They've kept it all very close to the vest, and I think it suggests one of two things. Either we're going for death or we're going for options, because we don't know if Jok is going to be able to play again. Now. The assistant general manager, Glenn Cook quickly came out right after the pick and said not doesn't have anything to do with Jok. We just liked him. We liked him and how he fits in our defense, I don't believe you. I think that's because you're concerned that jok is never going to play again or won't play against the same year and that.

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Speaker 1: J Okay, you know what, they can fit together. I think schwesteners like a maybe a little more traditional. I would say, not as versatile, because no one's as versatile. So it's a position also that takes you a couple of years to really get up to speed at the NFL level, and someone that people were really excited about, so you take them. It's a pick for the future, like all these picks should be. But yeah, I'm interested. Judkins maybe the biggest Fantasy football winner of the entire night because there's a clear path to a whole lot of carries in Cleveland, all right.

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Speaker 2: Touches just touches in general, because I think he's going to be a pass catcher as well. And oh and I'm fan and as well. Isaiah likely was my comp when I'm sitting there watching in Indie. I saw that pop up a lot tonight. I love this guy as an athlete. I'm also a Matt guy, and he stays in the state of Ohio. The Browns went with two of the three guys they drafted, and I played college ball at Ohio and Fannon played football at Mt. McKinley High School, which, by the way, they play their games right next to the Hall of Fame. So they went with the local ties. They're gonna meet their fans happy.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Fan And if you go back on NFL Daily and go back to the first time we talked about prospects this entire offseason with with Nate Tyson, he pointed out fan and as just one of the totally bizarre unicorns in this draft. And it's such a good tight end draft. I'm looking forward to how these guys all fit in. He's one of them.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the first comments we got tonight, if you're listening to this on audio, we love you. We did decide to go live on YouTube late on a Friday night in Cleveland. One of the first comments was from Brad Keo saying Seahawks having a sneaky great draft, and.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree with that.

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Speaker 1: They took team athlete, and they finished their night by taking Jalen Milroe out of Alabama, And I was thinking, how in another world where Shadur Sanders doesn't exist. The conversation of like, when is Milroe gonna go? We've been through these drafts enough to know that would have been the conversation instead of Shud because you've got to attach the broadcast to a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Everyone knows at some point.

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Speaker 1: And it's not a shot that Milroe went, you know, late third, but I think people thought he might go in the second round. But once you get into the second round, yeah, you're thinking about him as a developmental player, and he ends up going to Seattle.

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Speaker 3: But that's not the only athlete they took.

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Speaker 1: They moved up to take Nick him Unworri, the safety who was in the top twenty of DJ's big board. Just a crazy good athlete, and now he lands with Mike McDonald who's a perfect coach for him to get something out of him. They actually gave up the second round pick that they got in the DK Metcalf trade to move up and take Wori, so that was a big statement there.

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Speaker 3: And then they.

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Speaker 1: Also get Elijah Arroyo, a pass catching tight end at number fifty overall, so he's a great pass catching athlete. Em and Wory is an insane athlete. Grey Zabel their first round pick, who can play multiple positions on offensive line, insane athlete.

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Speaker 3: And then my favorite guy maybe the entire draft.

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Speaker 1: We did our guys on forties in free agents, nick and the two I picked were Jalen Milroe and Kyle.

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Speaker 3: Williams, who ended up on my Patriots.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to them, and I love Milroe ending up here. I thought it was interesting. Ian Rappaport said, expect him to have a role right away, and that's what I love to hear because to me, I look at Jalen Milroe and I think you start his career out he's playing quarterback, but you also work on some Taysom Hill like packages and he could be really exciting and a lot for the defense to handle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the long term is to figure out if he can develop as a passer, because there was one college game in particular in this past year at Alabama where they went on the road at Oklahoma and got kind of destroyed. They got dominated, at least in terms of score because Oklahoma just said throw the ball, we dare you. We're just not going to let you run. So I think when he starts, he'll be a runner. But eventually, if you can develop him as a passer. He could be your long term successor. I just found it kind of funny that they traded away Gino Smith to sign Sam Darnold to then draft Jalen Milroe. Like it was like an ideological shits back to the line of scrimmage guy and then they go and get Miller. They're like, well, we love athletes, so we just want to have both, you know. So it'll be a fun little wrinkle for them to start. I would definitely expect to see him on the field in some sort of running package, Taysom Hill, goal line situations, something like that, shortyard situations, a little bit of misdirection, that sort of thing will be fun. And I'm glad that they had the courage to not only draft him, but to jump up in front of the Browns who could have used Emon Warri and they take him before the Browns have an opportunity to take him. Very smart on their part.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you think that you think that, I think.

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Speaker 2: It was down here, it was down to that, or it was down to one of the running backs and Judkins end up being the guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When they made that trade up, I was like, They're going to go get Emon Warri because I thought it was down to two guys for the Browns at that point. Smart move out of the Seahawks front office.

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Speaker 1: I love that these picks at the top of the second round like a so much thought goes into everything overnight and then then you make that trades and they were just like a million trades tonight. So that's where Milroe goes. And I love this Seahawks draft. And yes, it would be my platonic ideal of a quarterback controversy for Darnold to kind of struggle this year a little bit and in comes mill Roe. Chaos saves, saves the day's chaos. It's probably not going to happen, all right. Those were the quarterbacks, the notable ones that end up going. You know, Will Howard from Ohio State still hasn't been taken. And there was some some buzz that you know, teams other than John Gruden actually liked him a lot.

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Speaker 3: So he's another guy to the team now.

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Speaker 1: I mean John grew in and I think he said on his video that it was his number one quarterback in the entire draft. I actually did hear some buzz that that coaching tree liked him, but they didn't like him enough to take him in the first three rounds. Let's just talk about some other interesting drafts. Let's go Texans. They take Jaden Higgins out of Iowa State in the second round, and then they take Jalen Noel, the slot receiver, big slot out of Iowa State, wide receiver in the third round. And before the draft, kind of the comp for Jaden Higgins was, man if everything worked out, body type and kind of pre draft profile, kind of like Nico Collins Jalen Noel pre draft profile, man if everything kind of worked out, big slot, kind of straight, like you're going to have to have a very specific role for him, but maybe Christian Kirk. And there they are, joining the actual Christian Kirk, the actual Nico Collins, and giving c J. Stroud some weapons. They went huge on offense. Then I also taking the tackle Arante Ersery in the second round as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was interesting that they were just like piling up receivers because they've kind of cycled through some guys over the last couple of years ago the digs you've got, you know, Tank Dell getting hurt each of the last two years. So good on Nick Cassario for having again the courage to just be like, screw it, Let's just keep adding receivers to this room and see how deep we can get and see which one's work and which ones don't. Who can give us a long term plan at the position because you have the quarterback so you can afford to spend on weapons for him and just try him out and see who fits and who doesn't. Overall, solid pick picks for them. I liked most of their draft to this point. Now, granted we're only through three rounds, but got to give him a tip of the captain, Nick Caserio. I thought he had a good night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think they probably wanted to come out of this draft with more offensive linemen. And ERSII was a guy who, as Jeremiah said on the broadcast, was divisive and he he's pretty kind in the way he talks about things on the on the broadcast, and to me, that was a guy where some teams just thought he couldn't play football and other teams were going to draft him in the second round, that he was extremely raw and will have to be coached up. And when they traded out of the first round right after who was it Donovan Jackson got taken right in front of them. I thought that was, like, man, all the offensive linemen got taken before we could get one, and so they ended up getting some exciting weapons tonight. But Higgins is a really intriguing player, and so's Jalen Noel. I'm more excited to watch the Texans than I was yesterday, And to me, that's a success for day two of the draft. Let's tuck Cowboys Donovan Ezeraku, one of my guys some value there in the second round, the pass rusher from Boston College. And then Revel the cornerback who you know, some people might thought might go in the second round, maybe even the first round.

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Speaker 3: He falls through the third round.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys actually had a draft to me, other than that, you had the Tyler Booker pick, which people do not expect. But the day too, they made picks where if the Eagles had made him or the Ravens had made them, everyone would have been like, oh, wow, that's Howie Be and Howie again that that's that's the Ravens doing what they do. They took really premium talent at positions they absolutely need that fell further than expected, and I thought they got better today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought the Ezraraka pick was interesting because he was still available. I thought the Falcons probably could have waited for somebody like that before they traded back in the first round to take, you know, two guys on the first night of the draft. So Cowboys getting good value there. I love the Booker pick yesterday. You knew that was one of my guys going into it. So and it's interesting in this draft that you know, we talked about the secondary, and we talked more about safeties than corners. It's not a great cornerback draft, but a lot of the corners that end up going later are either guys that fell because of past injury concerns or some worry in one area or another. Like another team that running get two later, they took a corner out of Florida State that was like, oh, well, you know, he didn't run a good forty, but the tape looks really good. So not like a perfect complete valualuation or picture on most of these guys, and yet there's still value there. So I think the Cowboys, for where they were picking throughout the draft, didn't make any drastic moves, but picked according to need and guys available and did a very good job of balancing the two and these are two examples of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Shavon Revel Junior. I was trying to make I was just making sure I didn't. I always want to call him Sharon for some reason. But Shavon Revel Junior out of East Carolina. And yeah, the Cowboys have multiple picks. By the way, one of our people in the chap point out in the fifth, sixth, and then three picks in the seventh. Maybe they're a shad Or team. I think they would. I think they fit the type of team that would make sense. Obviously there's the Jerry Jones and Dion Sanders connection, but I think at this point he makes sense on a team that has a secure starting quarterback and doesn't mind a little bit of noise or feels like they can handle that, so that the Cowboys fit there. I thought the Raiders had an interesting night just because they kept trading down over and over and over again. And it just reminded me when we had John spy Tech, their new GM on and he was just saying how precious those draft picks were to him, and so you know, it hurt them a little bit to draft Gino Smith. I mean to trade the pick away for Gino Smith, And they ended up picking up a ton of picks and then just trying to fill needs by taking a bunch of guys later in the draft. So they trade down and down and down and pick up a couple of picks in this class and in next year's class, and they end up with Jack Besh the wide receiver out of TCU, Darien Porter, the cornerback out of Iowa State, Caleb Rodgers, a guard out of Texas Tech, Charles Grant kind of a boomer Bus tackle out of William and Mary. And my point here is like they just feel like they have a ton of moves, And I thought they came into the day with a plan to try to really get a lot of players when they didn't have a lot of picks coming into the day, and they wound up doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a successful way of trading down, acquiring more capital, and spending it accordingly. Now, there's no guarantee that, you know, some of these late round, late third round picks end up panning out, but the idea is it's kind of throwing Spagheti at the wall and seeing with sticks, especially with these two compensatory picks that they did use on Rogers and Grant. I'm just really happy that they got a receiver because they had like the smallest receiving corps in the NFL last year, and every time I looked at their roster in the last couple of months, I was just like, God, please add another receiver for Gino Smith outside of Jacoby Myers. So I'm glad that they picked up one there, and they are now an intriguing team to watch on Day three just because they still have what eight more six more picks. Mental math is hard in order to kind of wrap up this class Bithics for his class, so very interesting to watch.

00:24:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Raiders are doing a good job. You can see the difference. Ian by the way, reported that the Titans and the Raiders traded out right after Jayden Higgins got taken, so he is saying his information, if he's putting that out there, was that they were Jaden Higgins teams potentially both the Titans and the Raiders, which would make sense in terms of their needed and it is interesting. I think you look back at the wide receiver class in Higgins's size and potential downfield ability. I think he ended up being a little more highly thought of by NFL teams and kind of being as strong what would he be wide receiver five in this class, like a strong guy that was not going to end up lasting too long. So I have good news for the Patriots, awesome draft by them. But I have bad news that I'm going to start with, and that's that the Jets are a well run organization now like they have they I mean, they just feel like they have adults with a vision running their team right now, being allowed to do what they want to do. I love the armand Membu pick. I liked it better than Will Campbell. I love the Mason Taylor pick, the tight end out of LSU in the second round. And then you mentioned Azariah Thomas, the Florida State cornerback, who to me is a perfect Aaron Glenn type of cornerback. I just feel like the Jets are doing a really good job and I can just see the types of guys that they want, and man, I think we just have a good feeling about what the Jets are doing.

00:26:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, only three picks spent through three rounds, but all three value picks that I think are proper for what they needed. Like, first pick comes off the board last night and I'm in the slack. Good job Jets. Second pick comes off the board tonight, Mason Taylor, Good job Jets as array of Thomas, Good job Jets. And that's what I'm talking about, where he didn't run the fast forty, but he's sudden on tape. You know, he sudden in terms of closing speeds pecsue when he drives down the ball, bigger corner can get physical. They need that type of presence in that secondary, and they really needed a tight end. All those mock drafts coming into Tyler Warren's going to go to them for sure in the first round, doesn't happen. Colston Lovelin's going to go to them in the first round, doesn't happen. They end up getting another really good, really polished tight end who I think is just scratching the surface in Mason Taylor, and immediately fill that need. They also now have bookend tackles, having spent two first round picks on tackles in the last two years. This is how you build a good football team. And this is a football team that has been too attracted by the shiny diamond in the corner that ends up being fools gold looking at you, Aaron Rodgers. And now they've kind of reset themselves under new leadership and they're doing the right things so far.

00:27:08
Speaker 1: So I just think they underside board. They understood the board that I don't know if they liked Elijah Royo or not. Obviously you have to accept that maybe we're not going to get Mason Taylor or the tight end we want. Maybe they like Terrence Ferguson, who's a tight end that the Rams ended up taking in the second round that I think the league was a little higher on than some of the consensus boards out there in the Rams. By the way, while we're on it, you know, said to Rich eisen Less, Sneed said, or was it to Dan and Jeremiah that yeah, they really thought the player that they wanted at twenty six was probably going to be there at forty six, and then they took Terrence Ferguson. I think they just love themselves some Terrence Ferguson. But my point about the Jets is like they understood the tackle market was totally desolate after the first round. I think that the Texans might have reached a little bit for ursery, and then it got really grim and people just kept, you know, taking tackles, even though like the drop off is believed to be really big, whereas the drop off to Mason Taylor, I don't think is as big. I think he's gonna play a lot. I think Azareah Thomas is going to play a lot in the NFL. All right, we've wasted enough time. Let's just mention that I had a chance on the podcast with Daniel Jeremiah to pick my two favorite players going into the draft, and I just like watching Jalen Milroe play. I'm not sure what kind of career he has, but I wanted to plant my flag on Kyle Williams, Washington state wide receiver. I just did not understand why he was not viewed as a top five receiver in this class. His ability to just explode at in terms of his speed, but his movement ability to throttle down and up, that to me is like the type of guy a little like Jordan Addison. I was like, to me, he's like a guy that gets taken in the first round. Normally he ends up falling all the way to the top of the third round. They also took ye boy Traveon Henderson, the running back out of Ohio State, at the top of the second round, like positional value. I wasn't sure, but I do get the idea of let's just build and get premiere weapons around Drake May and they just thought he was better than any wide receiver that was available there. And then you look that they got the value Kyle Williams in the third round. I think that ended up being perfect for them because I think the drop off at running back was bigger. And then you add a really athletic tackle in Jared Wilson from Georgia who just is incredibly high upside, and we'll see if that works out. But he's kind of the high upside pick where I wasn't thrilled with the Will Campbell pick. Well, here's a high upside guy late in your third round. So I am excited that they are going all offense. Good job by it.

00:29:41
Speaker 2: At the Patriots, I was really hoping you had mentioned Wilson because, as I've told you many times before, and I will reinforce right now, there are a few guys at every combine. Sometimes there are more than others that just move differently and you can just see it from the stands and you can tell that that guy's going to be good at the next level. And the guy this year for me, among maybe all all the linemen, was Jared Wilson the center. To see them get him in the third round was massive because we knew the offensive line issues they've dealt with. You got to protect your quarterback, You got to have kind of a nerve center for your offensive line. The guy who's calling out all the blocking and everything and identifying the mic. That's your center. That's Jared Wilson. That is my favorite pick out of all of them for them, because, like you said, you know, positional value at that point. With Henderson, I'm not so certain certain unless you're trying to build a two headed.

00:30:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a Buckeye guy. What do you think about him? What do you think?

00:30:29
Speaker 2: I mean? I think he's he's a he has a you know, I think about he's got a little bit of Nick chubbing him in the top gear, the top gear in the breakaway speed is definitely there.

00:30:37
Speaker 1: He's a home run hitter. Yes hit, Sorry I cut you off like he never was the guy. So I guess he fits with Ramandre.

00:30:46
Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't the guy because he got hurt a lot at Ohio State, but when he was healthy, he was able to break off the big runs due it twice.

00:30:51
Speaker 1: Maybe the reason they had to bring in Quinchin john Gins because they're because college is like the NFL now, and you just bring in players from other teams missed in terms of dunkins. He couldn't handle the load, so that worries me a little. He has a unique still set and that he's a home run hitter. I don't think like he has a natural what I like, which is the natural feel of like making people miss in small areas.

00:31:14
Speaker 3: Does he have that sort of vision. I don't know.

00:31:17
Speaker 1: But he's an incredible pass protector. Maurice Jones Drew talked about it that Eric b Enemy was sending him texts late at night of just like, watch this guy in pass pro.

00:31:26
Speaker 3: So he's going to be a great guy.

00:31:28
Speaker 2: And it's coming from MJD who had one of the greatest pass pro highlights in the history of running backs in the NFL.

00:31:33
Speaker 1: Right, and so he and he's good on third downs. He's a good receiver too, So that's a great skill set to have. You have two different three down backs and him and reminded comple. It's also, though, what happens when you keep replacing decision makers? And I know in theory Elliot Wolf is still there. I mean he is still there. He's a voice that's in the room. But by all accounts, according to the reporters there, Greg Badard, for instance, of the Boston Sports Journal, that team is run by Mike Rabel, and that team is run by I think it's Cowden. And you know the two guys that Mike Rabel brought in, who are his guys and they're making decisions. So Romandre gets a huge contract lats June. I don't think Mike Rabel would have necessarily given him that contract. There's no point in getting off that contract.

00:32:13
Speaker 3: Now.

00:32:13
Speaker 1: He's a useful player, and I'm excited they went and they tried to help out my boy. I think Kyle Williams is going to be a lot better than Jalen Polk. Ryan in the chat says, I also love the Patriots draft. Greg can hate on Campbell all he wants. The draft has been great. Oh yeah, the Patriots are gonna win draft grades this year, you know. And I love that I hope it all works out. I don't put a lot into draft grades, but I do I like the thought process behind it going all offense. You know another year where they won a lot of draft grades. I believe it was twenty nineteen, the year after they won that Super Bowl ended up being like one of.

00:32:48
Speaker 3: The worst drafts of all time.

00:32:50
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Steelers tonight, and this is a bigger trend. George Pickens still on the team. This is true of a lot of the veterans out there. If they're going to be traded, it's going to be on Day three, or it's going to be after the draft, because no one's been traded. Patrick Ramsey is still on I mean the Jalen Ramsey is still on the Dolphins. Shout out to Patrick Ramsey, Classic two Lane, two thousand and two. Dyer Alexander He's still on the Packers. Kirk Cousins is still on the Falcons, and Dallas Goddard still on the Eagles. But while Pickens is still there, and I'm not sure because we saw a report that they're kind of open for business on him, it really sounds like after they passed on Shudar Sanders, a number of time, a couple of times tonight that they are confident it's going to be Aaron Rodgers. This is what Art Rooney said on Steelers Nation Radio. We're getting the same signals that we've been getting recently. He does not want he does want to come here, So I do think we may get word soon. He also said, by the way, if we took a QB, it would not be someone we would want to play right away.

00:33:57
Speaker 3: It would be a developmental.

00:33:59
Speaker 1: QB at this point, right But he said that in the middle of the second round. But yeah, you sort of gave that away. That's the owner of the team, And maybe that means Rogers was waiting to make sure the draft didn't get funky, that they didn't take like shitter in the first round.

00:34:14
Speaker 3: He didnt want to deal with that. Who knows. They sound confident he's joining the team.

00:34:18
Speaker 2: I mean, as you've waited long enough, you better be. You've kind of backed yourself into a corner where your entire stock, your entire wagon has hitched to Aaron Rodgers forty one year old horse. But I mean, okay, all right, that solves one of the issues. And they don't have a lot of picks to work with. They've made two picks so far, and I like both of their picks. Derek Carmon when they drafted him, I was like, oh sweet, Now Kim Hayward can actually, like seriously entertain retiring in the near future if he wants to, instead of just being the guy who's like, yeah, I'll continue playing because I'm still good and you don't have any other options here. And then Caleb Johnson the running back. They add a bruiser of a back that kind of fits their mold. They let Naujy go and then they replace him with him, so that's fine. But this is all quarterback driven, of course. And after passing on quarterbacks, you know, twice and not moving up to get one, you're right. It is Aaron Rodgers, and I hope it goes better for them than he did for the Jets. That's all.

00:35:10
Speaker 1: It can't go much worse, but I'm not overly optimistic.

00:35:13
Speaker 3: We'll see.

00:35:15
Speaker 1: Caleb Johnson is such a predictable Steelers pick that they just look like the best straight line, downhill running back from the Big ten that was available at eighty three. He's a bit of a home run hitter, maybe not my flavor. Again, maybe I have a certain type where he's not making you miss in a small area, but.

00:35:35
Speaker 3: In a perfect world he would be.

00:35:37
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not Naja Harris either in terms of like breaking tackles, but he certainly could be more of a home run hitter and a guy you use to pick up yards and in short yardage. Let's just throw out some other picks that just like stuck out to us as we wrap this thing up, and I got a bunch and we'll just go back and forth. Like Will Johnson, the Michigan cornerback ends up falling to the Cardinals in the middle of the second round. Apparently it was medical concerns his knee and maybe not great tape in his last year at Michigan, but really sounds like it was more like his knee that. I love that though, in terms of if you're going to take a risk on an injured guy middle of the second round, for a guy who could have been CB one in this class.

00:36:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do it later. You do it when the risk is less, when the potential for blowing a high value pick is less, and you hope that he can get healthy and get back to who he was before and then suddenly you look like a genius. It's as simple as that. So he was one of the best Michigan corners in recent years, like Mikey Sanders still ends up with Washington last year and I think Will Johnson was a better corner than him. So good for them. We'll see if it pay, if it pans out. You know, it's all health driven and it makes a ton of sense. That's that's I mean, this is why we do the combine in Indie because the hospitals are all right there and the medicals are the most important thing that they can get. Obviously that cost some concern, but you know, at that point in the second round, you take that risk.

00:36:52
Speaker 1: You know, what the draft is partly about for me after going through like the content cycle for so many years, is I can see what we're going to be talking about now for the next four months because we don't have regular season football for a while here, and the thing like, no, it's good, we.

00:37:11
Speaker 3: Could all use a little bit of a breather.

00:37:13
Speaker 1: But the Cardinals defense is something that I'm going to talk too much about, and I don't want to get off that take because my first instinct is right the amount of people that are extremely talented that they have added to this defense, which is already schemed up great is awesome. I mean, you add Josh Sweat, you add Kalayis Campbell, you bring back some injured players in terms of bj Ojala, you have Baron Browning, and then you've got to add what to me was the most talented defensive tackle in this class in Walter Nolan in the first round, and then one of the most talented cornerbacks in the class. And Will Johnson is just like, this is a go time season for the Cardinals. I'm excited and I have a feeling that I won't be the only one with that.

00:37:58
Speaker 2: Yea. That is, we'll have to say goodbye to the best nickname ever coined on NFL Daily, which is the search bar, because you're not gonna need to look up.

00:38:07
Speaker 3: Not a long history. We're not to one year on.

00:38:11
Speaker 2: You talk about that in the history of NFL Daily was just give it its praise.

00:38:14
Speaker 3: I agree.

00:38:15
Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlinson, by the way, I was like, I'm know, I'm forgetting one kind of interesting free agent they added. Dalvin Tomlinson is an Arizona Cardo. Luther Burden is a Carolina Panther, you know, going into this season, thought maybe was the top wide receiver prospect along with t mac tep McMillan, and he ends up with the Chicago Bears.

00:38:37
Speaker 3: I misspoke there.

00:38:39
Speaker 1: I was thinking how he was part of the Bryce Young trade, and so the Bears end up adding another weapon. I didn't necessarily see them taking a wide receiver so high, but they wind up taking Luther Burden to add to Colston lovel and their tight end that they took in.

00:38:54
Speaker 3: The first round.

00:38:55
Speaker 2: This is a classic case of two things. One a team building on big time moves that maybe he didn't quite produce as much as they wanted to, you know, with the you know, having DJ Moore on the roster, adding Roma Dunese, you get Kayla Williams. But it's also a new regime coming in and putting their mark on the personnel and on the weapons and trying to improve the situation around a quarterback whose franchise depends on his you know, growth in his production. So Luther Burden was a player who was held back by the fact that they didn't have great quarterback play in Miszoo. And like he's he's a heck of an athlete and the heck of a player. And he was a guy that was maybe gonna be a first round picked and end up being a first round pick. So it's good value for them. I'm just so excited to see what this passing game looks like with Ben Johnson as their coach now, because their twelve personnel is going to be crazy. You had burden to that receiving corps. You have another option there. You can do a number of different things. The only thing that they missed out on so far is they didn't ad a running back yet because I thought at one point I thought maybe they'd be in line for Henderson, and then the Patriots took him before the Bears came off to pick. So perhaps that's something that they attack in Day three. But I still like their makeup. I still like that that's why you roll with the punches. I heard that they Yeah, there was some talk that.

00:40:00
Speaker 1: Travon Henderson would it was going to be in the mix for them in the first round, or that if the board felt funny, they would actually trade back and take Henderson. And yeah, the Bears fans are so optimistic.

00:40:10
Speaker 3: I laugh. I've seen it a.

00:40:11
Speaker 1: Lot in the chat a lot of Bear down dynasty incoming, that they had the best draft of any team and every year, and you could see it with you could see it with even the presenters that were you know, former Bears, you know, getting the Packers crowd all round up. Every year, Bears fans are convinced that their team is awesome and that anyone that ever even doubts it, even just a little bit are traders and insane and stupid, despite the fact that they've had like a ton of like futility, like generally it's just been futility, and but it never diminishes the optimism or total confidence. And I gotta admit, I gotta admit Bears fans, I'm kind of with you on it this year though, I'm kind of yeah, yeah, I'm usually now, I'm with you this year.

00:41:01
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel better about them now that I have in previous years. My favorite thing though, in the Bears cycle, and I've watched this a lot in Cleveland, is extreme optimism followed by disappointing results, followed by a signing blame to one scapegoat. And I have to give a tip of the cap real quick to one of the Bears fans in the chat mode designs things because he's a friend of the Gridiron Pod. He's also a friend of mine twitch streams. So thanks for coming in here, Mo, and good luck. I wish you the best. But I do know that it's optimism season right now. Remind yourself of that.

00:41:27
Speaker 1: Well, it's just the total it's just the blind confidence that I don't get that that the past precedent, you know, wouldn't affect you at all. By the way, they had a couple other picks in round two. The Ozzie Trapilo was a tackle from Boston College, went a little earlier than expected. I look, Ben Johnson's going to have a conviction on offensive lineman and the Lions have certainly had a good history of that. So we'll see Samar Turner defensive tackle from Texas A and m so two guys that they had a vision for. It probably went a little earlier than expected, but that they see their players, we'll see how those end up working out. I like the forty nine ers pick of Alfred Collins was just kind of there was a lot of run stopping defensive tackles that was a big time a need for them, and I just thought they got a good player there in the second round. The Bucks are at a point where I just love all their picks. Benjamin Morrison, the Notre Dame cornerback who's coming off a hip injury but has a lot of talent. His father played with Todd Bowles a lot, a lot of times. These connections, you know, are what makes it happen. So the Bucks I think, get another great value. And then I thought it was interesting that the Broncos ended up, you know, not taking a running back in the first class in the first round, and then they end up getting RJ.

00:42:43
Speaker 3: Harvey in round two.

00:42:45
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that, because if we're looking at big fantasy winners, r J. Harvey has a clear path to a lot of touches, Like I like for fantasy, he might be a more valuable player than let's say Trevon Henderson who got taken by the Patriots higher up.

00:43:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they, I mean, this is a backfeld that was relying heavily on Julia McLaughlin last year and Audric Estimate in sure artist situations and all love for Aldrick Estimate, but he's kind of a plotting bigger back. So getting a guy like like r J. Harvey, who I think, you know, can be a bit of a home run hitter at times. I just think about this sizzle real that they put the UCF put out of him, just like taking off down the sideline, and I'm like, man, I would love to see that, you know, in the orange crush uniforms for the Broncos this coming season. But suddenly they're really deep in that back. If you look at that depth chart, they got a number of different options there. I agree that I thought that they were going to go running back earlier. I thought Henderson was definitely gonna be an option for them. I remember all the Broncos media assembled around his podium in Indianapolis and thinking, Okay, this is this makes a lot of sense. They don't end up going there, but it all kind of plays out and makes more sense when they get him. I think they've handled the draft largely well. They got you know, Jday Baron, who's the best corner in this draft, and they end up getting Harvey in the second round, so no reaches and filling needs. And it's just so nice when you can do that, when you know that your quarterback situation is solid and we don't have to talk about that with that team.

00:44:03
Speaker 1: Harvey is such a unique runner. If you haven't had a chance to watch him, I recommend doing so. He's so patient to the point of like is he ever gonna go? And then and then he goes. But he's so He's like a small darren Sprolls type. Great on receiving, you could see why Sean Payton would like him, but just a very unique player. I think people are gonna enjoy watching, even if he's not going to be a guy that like totally carries the load. While I'm thinking about the Lions, they had just such a Lions draft, taking Tyler Williams, the massive defensive tackle from Ohio State, in the first round, and then taking Georgia guard Tap Rattledge in the second round that Georgia guards actually went ahead of Jared Wilson, their center, surprisingly and then doing what they've done in recent drafts, which is just finding the guy that they loved and they didn't care what the value is and just giving up a ton of picks for him. Nick like they gave up three third round picks to draft Isaac Tesla, that the wide receiver from Arkansas who just tested out of the Gym like one of the best testing numbers ever at wide receiver at Arkansas and has like a sweet mullet. But they gave up their one hundred and second pick to move up thirty spots and then two future third round picks. So it's just crazy, like you can't get a player, you can't get a team nick to like give up a third round pick for jay r Alexander or like a halfway or even a veteran on a better contract, like, oh no, we would never give up a fourth or fifth round pick for a decent better And then you get into the draft and like, we'll give up three third round picks for Isaac Tesla and he might turn out to be great. My point is just anyone that's available at pick seventy, you don't you don't know if they're gotta be great. So giving up three third round picks is it's a little wild. They're feeling themselves.

00:45:46
Speaker 2: There's the financial component to it, though, because you don't give up that pick for a guy on a bigger contract, right. They also gave up a compensatory pick that they got from losing Aaron Glenn to the Jets, So it makes more sense because they realize, all right, that's back into the third round. The future picks the ones that are probably read Lions fans the wrong way. But Greg, with all that said, they have my favorite class so far. They've only made three yis, but all three of them are guys that I love, and I'm gonna go back to Indy. I'm gonna go back to watching guys in the field. Another guy that was one of my favorites Tate Ratledge. You love him for a sweet hair, you love him for a style. He's kind of like a Kenny Powers of guards in the NFL now and he was in college and you love how he positioned his body. Even though he's not the biggest guard, He's a guy that is really good at angling himself to win blocks. But Tyler Quinns, I think is gonna be a better pro than he was in college, and he was already prett damn good at Ohio State. Love Ratledge, and I loved Isaac as well. I think that that's another player who really jumped off the field for me and Andy. You go back and watch his tape. I'm all on board with Brad Holmes and what he's done so far. One of my favorite classes, if not my favorite despite only being three picks so.

00:46:44
Speaker 3: Far, well, it's very Detroit Lions. It's just risky.

00:46:47
Speaker 1: They gave up I think it was multiple third round picks last year to move up in the fourth round to take a guard.

00:46:54
Speaker 3: Are you familiar? Could you name that guard?

00:46:56
Speaker 1: I'll give you like, actually we're not allowed to do that, but can you name that guard? Much of an impact as a rookie. It was more of a developmental guy. We'll see. It's Giovanni Manu, Giovanni Manu, so we'll see. Maybe Givan Manu will work out in the long run. But like they pick guys that they love and they absolutely go for him.

00:47:14
Speaker 3: Just a couple other picks.

00:47:16
Speaker 1: I liked the big cornerback Trey Amos going to the Commanders. We're going to break down all the team's drafts next week, going through each and every team will also do a winners and Losers show that's going to go up on Monday morning.

00:47:29
Speaker 3: So this is just supposed to be a quick hitter.

00:47:31
Speaker 1: The Colts taking another Ohio State guy J two j T two mal loa like that pick. The Panthers are kind of team traits, like taking big swings on high ceiling guys taking the defenders Nick Scorton and Princely Uma and Malayan hadn't said that name out loud like, but some potentially high upside pass rushers, So that that was interesting. And then I thought it was interesting Mike Green, who a lot of people had mocked in the twenty or so, ends up going all the way to fifty nine. The Marshall pass rusher goes to the Ravens at fifty nine. Two sexual assault allegations, one before college, one at college. That's why he ended up at Marshall. And it's interesting the NFL almost seemed to take those allegations more seriously than the people doing the mock drafts and the consensus sports because everyone seemed to think it wasn't gonna end up costing him. But some reports that he didn't handle some questions throughout the process well, So for a second I thought we were getting progress from the NFL, and maybe him falling this far was like a little bit of progress. But I found it interesting that the Ravens of all teams took him because John Harbaugh was the guy saying we have a no tolerance policy on domestic violence. When he was talking about Deshaun Watson and now we have Mike Green and we have Justin Tucker on.

00:48:56
Speaker 3: Their roster, so we'll see how that works out. But certainly a talented player.

00:49:00
Speaker 2: I definitely raised an eyebrow. It's always kind of a tough one because you think about position and value of player, But are you willing to deal with I guess the baggage or whatever else that you might describe that as, like any of the concerns that definitely made me scratch my head. But I would like to go back to JTT real quick, because yes, I'll tell you what this is the guy who early on in his career at Ohio State looked like he was going to fall in the mold of the Bosa brothers when it came to edge rushing talents and then never really took the next step as he was there as part of that defense which ended up being very good last season. But I wonder if maybe all he needed is somebody like Louis n Rumo to unleash him at the NFL level. I thought that the way that people have created a lot of the players on that side of the ball for Ohio State have been interesting. To me, like the projections for Jack Sawyer have been all over the place and he's still out there now, which not surprising to me. But JTT going at forty fifth overall almost felt a little early. And then in other times I thought a couple years ago, I would have thought that was too late. So I'm very intrigued to see how his career pans out with Indianapolis under lou.

00:50:03
Speaker 1: I talked to a few people that loved him, that thought he was going to be a better NFL player, that like he wasn't gonna go in the first round, but that you can see him playing a very specific role in playing a lot of years and being in the you know, being a guy you need those guys need you need seven eight guys in your front and that he can have an absolute game record type force player that.

00:50:28
Speaker 3: That's going to last a while in the NFL. And the Colts take them.

00:50:31
Speaker 1: They love athletic freaks, they love guys, they love taking lineman as well. Look, yeah, it's funny you mentioned Jack Sawyer. Like in another draft, Jack Sawyer falling this far would be a topic during Day three. But I have a feeling it's going to be all al Sadr Sanders all the time until he goes off the board, and I don't know. Damien Harris, a former Patriot, had some comments. I think it was for CBS about that that teams are almost trying to teach uh should hear and the Sanders a little bit of a lesson like a family that kind of shook up college football and is almost symbolic of the changes in college football. And I think multiple things can be true. I think it's not like all the teams started talking and agreed to not take them. But I think there can be an aspect of that, an aspect of fear and not wanting to deal with the media side of it all, and certainly an aspect of that. His talent was never really beyond like a second round level anyways, and there really aren't that many teams looking for quarterbacks right now, and so it's all those things combined. But I think there is something to it that they probably turn off some teams, and it's probably it's probably unfair that Shoulder is kind of getting getting lumped in with that.

00:51:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I totally agree with that. But the one thing to kind of tie a bowe on all of it, since we started with it and we'll rap with it. Is I keep thinking back to when we left Indy and neither him nor cam Ward worked out, and yet for some reason, by the end of that week, there was a clear gap between the two, like a pretty wide gap. And despite not being on the field. Usually it happens on the field, and it didn't. Yeah, and it made me think, what happened in those meeting rooms, what happened with those intern Again. I think we will find out at some point, but it won't be for a while, and until then we're gonna have to, unfortunately, watch him continue to, you know, deal with this what is now an excruciating slide, and he will eventually be on a team and he'll have his opportunity to make his career in the NFL. But of course the spotlight is extremely bright because of his family name, and it's unfortunate for a kid who just wants to live out his NFL dream for sure, But we'll watch it play out.

00:52:43
Speaker 1: My theory too, is that's the week where all the reporters start talking to the NFL teams more at night and realize what they actually think. And I didn't get a chance to really break down their tape, you know, until after the combine and it's like, yeah, cam Ward to me looks exactly like I would want a top ten pick to look like. I keep using the Cutler comp reminds me a little bit a little bit of farm to me if he was in last year's draft, Like if Michael Pennox and JJ McCarthy were in this class, I think I would take cam Ward number one overall over those two personally, Like that's the level of prospect where Shoulder Sanders was like eh, like Andy Dalton was Swag was my cop and Andy Dalton doesn't get taken in the first round, and then maybe the reason it's not happening in rounds two and three is everything else we're talking about. We will have plenty to talk about on Sunday night show. Actually we'll be putting it up Monday morning. That's going to be winners and losers. Was great to have you back in the chair, Nick, appreciate you.

00:53:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great to be here, and I just want to extend much thanks to you for the messages you closed the mock Draft show with that was really special to me and my family. And you know about the regarding the passing of my dad, and you know, this was always our thing, you know, as kids. I used to spend Saturday and Sunday watching it with him. And as the chaos of the Brown supposedly in line to take Travon Henderson and then taking Judkins, all I wanted to do was call my dad. And obviously I can't do that now. But the support of people like he was made this so much easier to bear. So thank you so much for that.

00:54:17
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.

00:54:18
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned that because I do think the draft, because it's not like a game or whatever, there is something about like, you know, my son Walker did a bunch of mock drafts and he was more excited for this draft than any other. He was actually over at a friend's house, but he wanted me to text the dad that was over there every time the Texans were up, and he's going absolutely nuts, and then he's back over here like and it's just a fun thing.

00:54:44
Speaker 3: To share, obviously, football draft everything.

00:54:46
Speaker 1: So yeah, good man, Greg Shook, and appreciate you, buddy. We will be back, As I was saying on Monday morning, we'll be doing winners and losers.

00:54:57
Speaker 3: We're going to.

00:54:58
Speaker 1: Wrap this whole thing up in a nice I appreciate everyone that was in the YouTube chat live. You can obviously check us out on video each and every time, but man, we will be in your ears all next week. We are just getting going the twenty twenty five draft. Look when I'm this far back in on the Patriots Drake by Kyle Williams.

00:55:18
Speaker 3: Football is back