Jalen Rose & God Shammgod on Fab Five & NIL, Kobe Bryant, Rucker Park & ‘Meal Ticket’ doc

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Speaker 1: The greatest trick that the media played on society is that the fab Fire was some dumb Negroes that went to Michigan. That was.

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Speaker 2: Like the biggest trick and we didn't have like social media.

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Speaker 3: I can say nothing.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm on the Dan's List, and that treated me like I'm some dumb.

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Speaker 3: What up y'all? Joe Crack, the Dawn, Your Boy.

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Speaker 4: Jada Show, Every show, Legendary, every show, Iconic All Star twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: We got our brothers, God Sham Guard, Chilean Rolls.

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Speaker 4: Make some noise for them coming from where we come from. If we love basketball, your one of There's a lot of levels the basketball, but we all know, but being the McDonald's All American.

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Speaker 5: Is probably one of them.

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Speaker 4: That's things you can accomplish of your career as a high school kid.

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Speaker 5: On me playing amongst the grades. We're gonna find out. I'm gonna talk to him about the film. We're gonna have some fun today.

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Speaker 1: Is this a proper We're gonna open this at some point now, we gotta open that ship up.

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Speaker 3: Is a lot to celebrate about.

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Speaker 1: So I just have to say this because this is this is actually crazy. I think I'm the oldest person up here here.

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Speaker 5: I'm older than you.

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Speaker 6: Cray, I tell you one day if you're older than me, definitely using rewind the time that you want to box, you said, Joe, I'm not ready for that.

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Speaker 3: You might as.

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Speaker 6: Well make money off the stuff, get higher in your own supply.

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Speaker 3: I got a different wine ten in CBS Sally's Stop and Shop.

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Speaker 1: No, I gotta I gotta plan, Joe. I got me a couple of stuff that I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 1: I have a plan of working on beauty products and stay tuned. That's why I got love for you. I ain't know I I thought you was missing out. No, but I have to say this. I really have to say this, Like this is like real still, like I love y'all. This ain't no Hollywood like friendship, relationship, kinship like I've been in Miami at three in the morning and he saved my life. Real talk, like I have the Jada Kiss bust for the Hall of Fame and he don't even have it because he gave it to me. These are the only two people that I believe that have a show that I'm on their show, and they've both been on my show.

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Speaker 6: And that's a fact, right. You know, we got jerked by Mellow. I did Mellow show me show that motherfucker won't come.

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Speaker 3: To our ship. Curve.

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Speaker 5: He's curving us.

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Speaker 6: He's curving us in the home of the Turbans.

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Speaker 1: And so to see you guys doing your show, y'all chilling it dog And this is.

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Speaker 3: Their first live show, Give it up on.

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Speaker 1: This is their first live show, Give.

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Speaker 3: It up on.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta say this about you, Like the sham guy move in basketball is the equivalent of like wearing Jordans, like it really is, Like that's.

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Speaker 3: A real thing, and how you develop players.

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Speaker 1: You're an incredible coach and you've always stayed ten toes down, like we love you, brother.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that love y'all.

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Speaker 7: You know, you know, everybody up here family with me, Like Joe knew me when I was young. Me and Kiss practically grew up together with the large children of the corn They's camp and all of us. So me and Kiss been down like since fifteen years old, fourteen years old, knowing each other and hanging out and stuff like that. So just to see, you know, their growth. And then Joe's went from being a terror to everyone to the stuff that he's doing now is amazing. And like Joe, No, like he the first person.

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Speaker 3: I hit up. People don't even know the.

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Speaker 7: First person I told that JB was gonna be good for his knicks. When he asked me, he said, Hey, is Jaalen gonna be good? And I was like, I don't know if the team is gonna be good, but I know Jalen is gonna be steady.

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Speaker 3: And he's gonna be consistent.

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Speaker 7: And my brother Jellen did way more than either one of us could imagine, So you know what I'm saying. Like me and Joe always had a relationship since I was young. You know, Joe always did amazing things for the hood and stood up against people in the hood. So like there's always love. And like I said, kisses my brother and roses, what can you say about him in the fave far you know what I'm saying. So like he got his own thing in Detroit like I had in New York. He was in the streets and went to the NBA and did his thing and changed the whole culture him and his five five brothers.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, brother, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: So I have a Joe and Jada question because these are my actual brothers, Joe, I got to ask you a question, mister crack, when did you get nice?

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Speaker 3: Nice to want You're you're a nice human being now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bless god, You're a thoughtful you're intelligent, you're well dressed, Like, why do believe?

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Speaker 6: I believe I was always a nice guy. I always had a curton heart and everything. It's just we grew up in such a tough environment growing up that you had to be tough because you even with predator or you was pray that refused to be pray. I was bullied a lot when I was a young kid, so I had to go into that. And then when I got in the rap game, it was no fucking difference. I don't want to disrespect hip hop, but it was like you meet somebody like, all right, I want to meet this rapper. This is my man. Two times a mac he get double life, came home on an appield like you Like, there ain't no bahds and masters in hip hop. You just meet the craziest motherfuckers. This guy killed forty six guys. He's my new road manager. So you had no choice but to be tough in the hip hop and so you know, this shit forced me. But I always was looking for a way to be nice and always be myself and at the beginning, I ain't gonna lie to We were staying. If I fuck with Jada kiss, if I fuck with fab, if I fuck with Biggie, if I fuck, we would stand in the club and stare at each other.

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Speaker 3: And just be like nobody here saying nothing like you just looking at me.

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Speaker 6: Be like He'd be like, hey, thank god, now we got we can show our personality and shit like that.

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Speaker 3: So for Jada, my other brother, it's not the chikh Lutes and styles p brothers too.

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Speaker 1: Give me up lots like I love seeing people wearing the shirt now, the hat now, because sometimes it takes time for people to catch up. So I got to ask you, top five d o a that's now doing podcasting and expressing yourself about the industry and current events, Like, what made you decide that this was the opportunity for you to express yourself into space?

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Speaker 3: Great question?

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Speaker 1: Uh, I mean because y'all like top secret, Like the locks are.

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Speaker 3: Like like a secret service. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Family, it's all about growth and in the state of where the world is right now. People on the head, authentic stories from people that lived it or people that been through it, had in fact was supposed to do something. He has a gold that didn't and fan out shout out to.

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Speaker 1: The you gotta be mad as hell the people, and your name is actually cracked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it wasn't crack.

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Speaker 1: You know, I sold cracked, but it wasn't because I sold a crowd, but normally, like he sham God because of his handle, you're a crack, but I'm cracked because the crack of my ass used to show.

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Speaker 3: And the girls that I'm telling you that me too. Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Hold, I stopped cussing like twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: That's some bs, Joe.

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Speaker 1: It's not because you stood up one time and you're cracking your ass.

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Speaker 3: Are showing the class that is knowledge telling you that is not you're telling me, but I saw you. That's not the It's about Spike Lee.

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Speaker 6: I caught Spike Lee on a flight to LA and I talked the hole in his head for six hours because Spike changed my life.

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Speaker 3: Do you got any more flags? Yes? Better re up might have to get TD Jakes on the show.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 1: Do you know that we know why your nickname is cracked? Do you realize that no, the Feds just win. I was telling my bullshit story.

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Speaker 3: I okay.

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Speaker 6: So I convinced Spike Lee, you know, let me try out for this show he has, She's got to have it on Netflix. And and when I went to try out, I made it. And so before I could do it, because you know, Spike Lee missed the pro blackness, the conscious, he brought me in front of his whole staff. He made me explain why my name was Crack. And I was like, you know, I'm in junior high school. I've always been fat, by the way, I always been fat Joey since perf Okay, I've never been skinny in my life. I've been fat Joey one years old, two years old, three years They always been fat Joey. And so you know, I would get up to go write something on the board in junior high and.

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Speaker 1: The girls like Joey Crack. So that's how I got the name Joey Krack. When I explained it, you could see the whole staff. Spike Lee staff was like, ah right, he consulted, yes, sold it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, double and tundra.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, if you want to believe that, fine, congratulations, We love y'all. Jen broy Man got the sharpest line.

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Speaker 6: I gotta go to Turkey to get some ship like you got that fucking hen do that ship? That shit a cut of mother like that? You catch a fucking paper cut, you fuck with that ship. I'm gonna watching that ship on TV. I said, man in there, got the sharpest line I ever seen their fucking world.

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Speaker 5: How many cuts you get a week?

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Speaker 1: So the craziest thing for public assumption is I literally just get a haircut before y'all see.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing special. Like I knew I was gonna be got a haircut today.

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Speaker 1: You cannot get rid of that ball b I won't the second you try.

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Speaker 3: I won't let me tell you something I say all the time. I got a prompt. I have a serious problem. I'm a shoper. Holly, what did I do now? Hight up?

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Speaker 5: I didn't say nothing.

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Speaker 3: I've seen that hand movement.

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Speaker 6: I'm already like, oh abuse, like I see the head go up.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm getting the flag for no.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I like shopping and ship and I got a real big problem and but they told me, Yo, the minnie you don't dress, they gonna say you fell off like a real motherfucker. Yeah, you better keep blowing that bag because YO, let me tell you something you try to see.

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Speaker 1: So, Hey, So I I love y'all show. I watched y'all show each time, so I would love to ask y'all a couple of question you've.

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Speaker 3: Been asking us. I don't know if you know shop no Joe Jalen okay, cool. I got one question. I got one question.

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Speaker 7: I got one question because we all grew up together. So for people that don't know, like Jadakiss play basketball, at least shooters still con shoot. Now, when did you say you was going from playing basketball to rapping? I know when Mason Camp did it because I was with them every day. But when did you go from that let rapping?

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Speaker 4: I got all the wrong letters, the wrong I got letters.

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Speaker 3: This wasn't right. Personal college. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, Juico awful.

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Speaker 8: SID twos, couple D three some, But it wasn't wasn't It wasn't happening like I was all right, But you had to be You got to know when the when to fold them.

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Speaker 5: Kenny Rogers, I was a bit taller, a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I probably never would have winn in the booth, but God didn't bless me with those things, so I just had to figure something else out.

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Speaker 6: Well, just like a ballplayer for y'all. You know, Yon just is right next to the Bronx to say, Inglewood whatever. So I heard about these guys and they were dumb young, and they was like, Yo, there's these guys.

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Speaker 3: They caught the Warlot just like basketball here, but the player.

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Speaker 1: They was like, Yo, these guys call the wall Loots, and I'm like the Walllocks.

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Speaker 3: It was like, yaddy, they did nice.

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Speaker 6: And a couple of times, Joe Body used to hang out at this gas station, so I would ride by and I'd be like and they'd be like, Yeah, that's the that's them, that's the Warlt.

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Speaker 3: And then they just blew the fuck up. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like that when you hear somebody's names. You know what's crazy is when thinking of basketball.

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Speaker 6: Steph on Ballbury, you know, he grew up in the projects in Coney Isllen. I want to know if this happened to you. He said he'd be outside ten years old, ten dribbling in the park and he would see like white men just standing in there watching them, and he's in the middle of the hood and white man to be over there looking at him at ten years old, eleven years old, twelve, and he was like, yo, they was the scouts and they knew when I was ten years old, I was going to the fucking league.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because he has step On because he had because he had you know, he had three brothers that played and they didn't really make it, so they put everything in them. So that's why would anybody like arguing me about Steph. It's hard for me they really even understand the argument because like when when I started playing basketball, I didn't stop playing Basstall. I moved to hallm so I stopped playing basketball late, like eleven twelve. And it was so crazy because me and Steph used to hang out and I'm like, this dude is the number one seventh grader in the.

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Speaker 3: World, and I'm like, man, I'm not even two hundred in New York City in the world in the world. I'm like, how's he that much better than me?

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Speaker 7: So then he like forced me to work out every day. And then my senior year, we both was in the twelfth grade. We both got co Player of the Year. Then I got to number fifteen in the country play you know, while we're here, made the McDonalds with American game. And it's so funny because when I was in the ninth grade, my coach was like, Hey, what you wanted to do? And I was like, I want to play McDonalds with America. I ain't know what the hell I was talking about because I ain't know what the game was. And he was like, how you think you're gonna play McDonald's you like two hundred and ninety six in the city in the ninth grade, and I was like, ah nah. Then my coach told me, he was like, yo, you come here every morning. Because I went to the South Cabin. He was like, you come here every morning at six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: When I started at eight.

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Speaker 7: He was like, I'll work you out every day and then after school you stayed two hours later and we'll work out. And he was like you should be able to make just because he said that, and because I was hanging with step every day where like you said, I remember his pops had him running up the stairs in the project.

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Speaker 3: We would go to Coney Island.

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Speaker 7: His father would make him play with invisible basketball to work on his form, like one hundred jump shots, no basketball.

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Speaker 1: Just shooting shooting, shoot and shoot it.

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Speaker 7: And then like and then he used always tell me, man, you could do it this and that, and I used to be like and then because my father used to train boxes, so I was already disciplined when I moved from Brooklyn, so it was just all about work. And then I dribbled so much till like in eleventh grade. I used to stay in the park under the lights, and I thought I could shake my shadow. So that's how I used to dribble so fast because I just be like, I know I could make my shadow move.

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Speaker 3: I know I could make a shadow move. So I was looking like, c that's crazy shadow Like I was like walking through the thing.

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Speaker 7: But my thing for like Joe, is because I played in fifty fifth like and the.

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Speaker 3: Eighth grade and ninth grade.

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Speaker 7: What made you want to start coaching at fifty fifth Because you know, back then, fifty fifth for people that don't know, was like a movie.

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Speaker 3: It was like you come up there, you.

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Speaker 5: Tell them fifty fifth fish, because.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty fifth is rock a park.

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Speaker 7: So like when I first moved up there, but people don't understand one of the reasons. I mean, Jay Jady Kissno. But like Mace is the first person that ever took me to basketball played basketball, and that's Mace that used to rap. So he was like, Hey, I'm gonna take you to this park to watch this game.

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Speaker 3: And I was like all right.

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Speaker 7: You know at this point, I never played basketball. I used to live in Brooklyn to do karate and do wrestling and all that stuff. That's when that the white Chinese, white man I used to come on the kung food that wasn't Kelly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he used to walk everywhere, but he wasn't Chinese. You walk in the.

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Speaker 7: Desert Nord there used to be a monk. Yes, yes, that was so that was like my whole thing. Like what's the name wrestler?

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Speaker 6: Yes, oh no, that was legendary guys.

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Speaker 3: Y'all too young for that hit. Yeah, So I used to watch that and do wrestling every day.

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Speaker 7: So then when I moved to Harlem, you know, in Brooklyn the other day I used to do is Robin still. So like when I moved to Harlem, it was like a movie because I actually saw like black people making money, say these benses even though they was drug dealers, Like it was just like a movie. Then I go to fifty fifth and I happened to go the day of the All Star Game, and I saw a guy named Malloy and Naysmith that would forever.

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Speaker 3: Be my eye. I don't care Malloy who like future, so I don't care how much the Bronx.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so he was like for y'all, if y'all don't know Malloy, hopefully y'all know Kareine Reid. They're like probably the most legendary point guards up there because they played for so long. And I went up there and I saw Mike Boogie get on one knee and dribble through Malloy's legs and fifty fifth and that forever changed my life. I seen, I was hanging in the tree and I saw like it was people coming up there getting dressed at havetime, getting Jordan's all this when I was wearing spots spot builts.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know what Jordan's was. So it's just like changed my life.

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Speaker 7: It was like entertainment basketball because that was the first time I saw something that like entertained fans and like it made people famous. That wasn't famous, like you know, like local heroes like walking down the street and people like instantly know you, like that's Malloy Mason, that's Master rob with somebody said, man, you know Magic Johnson. I said, he can't mess with no Malloy.

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Speaker 1: So when you're watching the league right now and you're watching college and I would love to ask you this one is okay. It's like people say the sham God driven like it's a real that's a fact. It's like muscle memories, like when you go to the doctor and to hit your knee. You know what I'm saying for muscle memory? So how did that come about? And for those that don't know what that is, please tell them what.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like what people don't understand.

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Speaker 7: Like I used to watch this guy named Sharon Anderson and uh he used to always dribble up the call with one hand, like going like this like inside out one hand, one hand and then you factor in like when I was growing up to like I know Joe and Jaden late is you kid? And it's like, you know, it's like when you see Cougie Rapp and all of them you're growing up like these are like superheroes. So when I first started playing basketball, even though I was hanging with Steph Kareem, Reid Rafe for Austin, all these people, they was already playing basketball since ten I wasn't playing. So these dudes was like the Avengers to me, Like I used to be like, yo, these dudes is off the chain. If I ever could come a little bit good like them, I would be nice. So then, like like I said, I watched the kid named Sharon and then Raf was like real nice at the time for people that know that skipped through my look.

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Speaker 3: So he used to do all this skipping stuff.

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Speaker 7: I went to the PS ninety, I've went to PS one seventy five and the Janitor. One day, I'm in there dribbling and stuff. In the gen it was like, damn, if you just took it seriously, you could be somebody. And I was like, man, who the fuck do you think people are? Who are you talking about? So I don't even know who is I go home. I get this tape called Below the Rim. Below the Rim, that's what it was like. Vaha says. It's like Kevin Johnston, Magic Johnson chasing kid Tim Hardaway, but in the middle of the tape, it's like pistol, p berman row, tiny Archi ball all the people. So I'm like, man, this dude looks familiar. So I go back to school. I'm just watching him for a week. So then I got the courage and I said, hey, you got a son named tiny Archibra. And he was like, what are you talking about? And I was watching this tape and it said tiny Archibra, but his name is Nate Archiba, right, So.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not even putting to it.

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Speaker 7: And I was like, he's skinny, so I kid, but I'm thinking the people think, now, if you play in the NBA, you rich. So I'm looking at him and he's like, no, what are you talking about? That's me And I'm like what, There's no way that could be you. And I was like, why you didn't tell me you played in the NBA. And he was like, oh, you little kids just think you know everything. So I just let and like, to this day, that's one of my closest friends. But he the one that told me, like he was like, if you master or something and you do it for free, one day, the world will pay you for it. So then we got an Insta tore me in ninety seven. I was actually trying to do another move, this move Kenny Anderson used to do. He used to like go fast, change direction, throw it between his legs, and what happened was the ball slipped. And then the only thing I can remember is the dude suran I used to grab the ball like that. And then because I watched film a lot I used, I went back to stay. I'm like, man, this thing, like, man, that move could work. But then I still ain't think nothing of it. And then I came home in the summer and I went to the park I grew up in, and I'm just looking through the fence and these little kids like, oh man, I just shammed you. I just shammed you. I'm like, what are you talking about? The kids like yeah, I just shamguarded him and all that. And then the next thing, you know, it just went viral like that. And it's like one of the most humbling feelings because I know everybody up here, anybody here, if you work anywhere, you want to make it better than how you found it. And for me, I get to live in my inspiration every day because Mark Cuban, people like that gave me a platform to show my talent. So like when people say, like Russell Westbrook Chris Paul doing the shamguard, and they're like, yeah, you know he's sitting right there, he assistant coaching. So for me, that's just amazing feeling because I know when I'm dead and gone, I left basketball better than how I found it.

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Speaker 3: Wow, when the kid is ten years old, they would learn how to do the shamguard.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm fried, right, I mean, I'm fucked up in the head, so I.

00:24:50
Speaker 3: Think the shit.

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Speaker 6: You know, I grew up in the world with you had to go get like it was a treacherous world. When I seeing NBA players do the sh and god, I thought they jerked you. I was like, Yo, these niggas jerking sham.

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Speaker 3: That's the ship.

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Speaker 6: I was dumb tight I'm watching them. It wasn't like you would be like, Yo, he did my move. I'm like, Yo, they jerking sham. That's the fucking shamball ship.

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Speaker 3: Like, Yo, that's fucked up. Man.

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Speaker 1: I looked at ship so different. I'm not a positive thinker.

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Speaker 3: Man. I looked at it. I was like, Yo, they owe hear money.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what everybody said. Everybody be like, man, did you call it at it? Because you can get money? And I'm like I'm like nah. For me, it's like I said, like, it's just one of the most craziest feelings in the world, because like I would forever be known as one name forever.

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Speaker 3: But who was it?

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Speaker 6: There was one NBA player I was watching the game live and then and they interviewed.

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Speaker 3: They was like, yeah, what's the move? You did it? He said the sham guard. Yeah, that was that was Westbrook. Fuck yeah, Westbrook Westbrooks like the movie.

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Speaker 6: He did the movie and the fucking announcer was in the oil.

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Speaker 3: He was like, yo, but what did you just do with you?

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Speaker 1: Did? He said?

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Speaker 3: Yo? That was the ship? But I was like, yeah, Yo.

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00:28:34
Speaker 3: It's from us.

00:28:35
Speaker 6: We never see nobody from the hood.

00:28:37
Speaker 3: Like, that's the other thing we're going.

00:28:40
Speaker 6: To you, Jaylen Roads right, richer than everybody at here, So you'll speak later, right yo, sham, Like you never see the beauty of your story we talked about to coach for Cleveland. Now the beauty about your story is we never see nobody from this street, street playground legend to go.

00:29:07
Speaker 5: To the NBA.

00:29:08
Speaker 6: That's why I skip was so special. We all offer inspiration and then you go NBA, but you also go and coach. You know, that's offering a lot of hope, a lot of inspiration.

00:29:23
Speaker 3: And that's what makes you so dope.

00:29:27
Speaker 6: You know every you think about everybody we ever seen.

00:29:33
Speaker 7: You know, it's some nice guys like, but the whole thing is like to give it up to y'all is like and kids could attested this like we come from a place.

00:29:46
Speaker 3: Where things things seem hopeless. But I saw hope. You know what I'm saying.

00:29:51
Speaker 7: When I see when I see Fat Joe at the time being fat Joe, when I see jay Z at the time being jay Z, Jesus know and even puffed to a point like no disrespect all enough like part part I've been in his life. It was all love like so like they gave me the inspiration because like I said, when I was in Brooklyn, I ain't see that I saw like rob and stealing this and that not saying Uptown wasn't crazy. The Bronx wasn't crazy, but yeah, but they also the thing that was different from Brooklyn to all the mother Barrows is like the stuff y'all was doing, you still was getting money and you still was like looking good, like still like man, I could be something and it wasn't like, oh, Fat Joe's going to jail, Jesus going to jail this and that, Like when I'm running around with kids, made chic styles, all of them, like we get to see people over us. That was like doing stuff that actually made money. So it's like, So that's why, like even in my book when I wrote, I'm like, you gotta be you gotta be careful who you say, who's the hero and who's the villain?

00:30:57
Speaker 3: Right, because I grew up with.

00:30:59
Speaker 7: Drug was that when I became nice in basketball, pay my mom's rent for two years. So do I think they're hero? Do I think they are a villain? You know what I'm saying. I went to Providence. You know, one was on America's most Warning. He was number three, and I never knew that I'm in the park. Elbow on him, talk to stuff to him. Nigga's a mass murderer.

00:31:20
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

00:31:20
Speaker 7: Then, But he always told everybody, Yeah, everybody in the hood.

00:31:25
Speaker 3: He was like, Yo, make sure Sham play ball, make sure Sham is good.

00:31:29
Speaker 7: So those are people I grew up around, so it's hard for me to always be like. So that's why when I tell kids, it's easy for me to coach them because I give them the dead truth and say, yo, this could happen, that could happen.

00:31:40
Speaker 3: But if you let me help you, I can help you.

00:31:42
Speaker 7: You can still say what you want, like with Kyrie, like when it was me and Kai, It's like, yo, you can still say what you want, but let me help you. Because if the worst thing you could do is say you misunderstood, if you're not trying to let people understand.

00:31:54
Speaker 3: You, say that again, I need a glass for this.

00:31:57
Speaker 7: You can't say you misunderstood if you're not trying to let people understand you. So my my whole thing in life was always to try to let people understand me because I know I would never be perfect. We all not perfect. I'm gonna fell short even when I try to do good. But if you have people that can understand you, at least they can say, you know what, I ain't really with that. I understand what you got going on, so I'm just leave it alone. So when they don't understand you, that's when the confusion start and the madness start.

00:32:26
Speaker 3: And now it's the problems.

00:32:27
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, which you see hall them all day with my brothers that I try to make sure get on the same page. It's just like with Mason Cam like kissing no I'm just like, yo, we gotta get together, bro, Like we all family. Like, if something happened to me, your family gonna be upset. Son happened you, My family gonna be upset. Even if we don't speak.

00:32:49
Speaker 3: My family, my son and them still call you uncle.

00:32:52
Speaker 1: Right.

00:32:53
Speaker 6: Yeah, I say that about hip hop, so I don't know where it started where they try to put a narrative.

00:33:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, all rappers don't get along and all that.

00:33:04
Speaker 6: But when somebody I'm with you grumpy uncle Grady right, yes, yes, but say say something real sad that recently happened little John's son.

00:33:20
Speaker 3: I don't know him, but.

00:33:21
Speaker 6: I felt bad instead of a mean prayer for little John because Little John's my brother and I love him.

00:33:26
Speaker 3: I didn't know his son, but we got like that.

00:33:29
Speaker 4: That's it goes deep in the rap. That's not a rapper. That's the father losing his son. Yeah, if you got any type of heart. But he's also a rapper.

00:33:39
Speaker 5: So what I'm.

00:33:40
Speaker 4: Saying lost his son for me is no longer. Little John is the guy with myself. I mean, I can't imagine that feeling, so so.

00:33:49
Speaker 3: Fuck the rappers. Jaden bigger than he said.

00:33:55
Speaker 5: He said is a man is this little man lost his son.

00:33:59
Speaker 7: But it's it's just like, you know, like basketball and rapping is like cousins, So like they come from the most competitive place, right because you're still gonna have the street guy that think he better than the guy that's in the NBA, and then the NBA guy gonna be like the street got to understand what it takes to make it. So it's always going to be competition. It's always going to be competitiveness. So that's why it gets confusion. It's just like you said, when you went to the club and you see other people, everybody face fighting, but everybody in the same struggle, but nobody talking about it. So they think they coming from two different places, and they really not right. So that's why, like in Hall of there's no person in Hall of that ever played basketball that I haven't been in the gym with or try to steer the right way, whether it worked or not.

00:34:45
Speaker 3: It's like, yo, I'm always here.

00:34:47
Speaker 7: I'm always because because when I left school early out of college, I wish I had somebody there for me to be like, nah, just stay one more year, just just hold on. You know, everything gonna be all right, you know, what I'm saying. But where we come from. If you got your mom made up it, everybody like, oh man, that's what's something you should do it. Then when it don't work, they're like, man, you was bugging anyway, bro, I don't even know why you.

00:35:06
Speaker 3: Did that ship, you know what I'm saying.

00:35:08
Speaker 7: So it's like, you know we come from, especially like jailing with the Fab five, They're like, if they had in I L they had been rich before, then.

00:35:17
Speaker 3: They owe them.

00:35:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you feel they owe them? They oh they you know the world, the couple of millions, the world they fed.

00:35:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, you ain't still actual to this day.

00:35:33
Speaker 6: We at the U M game, the championship football joint and they still like, do.

00:35:37
Speaker 3: You think it's right that they Yeah, they it's right.

00:35:41
Speaker 1: They got paid because these colleges been selling tickets, selling jerseys and these kids ain't begetting shipping.

00:35:49
Speaker 3: They've been like all right, guys, thank you.

00:35:52
Speaker 6: And not only that, these jerseys stay Fab five, your jersey's still selling.

00:35:58
Speaker 3: Well.

00:35:58
Speaker 1: The one thing about sports and money is and I've talked about this a lot, so I'm not like interfering with things that I have going on that I've been talking about this for thirty years. The only sports to have salary caps are black leg first off, but that's basketball and football. Those are the only sports of salary caps. Baseball, Golf, NASCAR, Tennis, you can keep naming. They do not have a salary That's the first holy shit is correct. The second thing is they have no after high school restriction. And so that's a that's a residue of slavery. Is because we're gonna get money off of you for multiple years for free. There's no way around it.

00:36:53
Speaker 5: There's you how can we start? We got to start the union.

00:37:01
Speaker 3: They doing it now. They're getting paid now.

00:37:03
Speaker 5: But he just made it finished.

00:37:06
Speaker 1: Yes, And so what happened in the game is it became so obvious because of social media and because of information. It's like we're making.

00:37:16
Speaker 3: Billions of dollars. We gotta pam some.

00:37:19
Speaker 1: That's how it ended up happening. And so for the player, like you're an artist. You guys are artists.

00:37:28
Speaker 3: We've been there. Bulls would win.

00:37:32
Speaker 1: That's where That's where I'm going, Like I have a rape and pilloge and no shots or no shade or.

00:37:38
Speaker 3: Whatever like whatever.

00:37:40
Speaker 1: But I'm just like real spill, Like.

00:37:42
Speaker 3: I have a free lock shirt, no doubt, Like I have one that the locks. Yeah.

00:37:51
Speaker 1: And what ends up happening in the entertainment is we're the worker, we're the talent, but we're not the owner. And that's the same thing in sports that happened with the NIL. So I'm happy to see players now getting paid off of their name, image and likeness. But if you notice, you still got to pay the system. Like NFL players, you have to be three years removed from high school to go to the NFL.

00:38:21
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't realize that got messed up.

00:38:25
Speaker 1: Correct, you can't go straight from the NFL after your sophomore year. Correct, you have to wait three years so the system can profit off you. It's the same thing with basketball, like NBA players have shown Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett like that you can come out of high school and be productive in the league, but they still don't allow you to do it so that you can feed the system and they can make money off of them.

00:38:56
Speaker 3: And so I sit on the table about this for a long time.

00:38:59
Speaker 1: The third years and the greatest trick that the media played on society is that the fab Fire was some dumb negroes that went to Michigan.

00:39:10
Speaker 2: That was I yeah, that was the that was like the biggest trick, and we didn't have like social media.

00:39:16
Speaker 3: I can say nothing.

00:39:17
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm on the D's List and they're treated me like I'm some dumby and I took that personal. So I'm happy that they're allowed to be paid right now. But if you notice the NBA got a salary cap, NFL still got us out.

00:39:36
Speaker 3: I never do that.

00:39:37
Speaker 1: So that's how they say you love something new every day. You can end Both of those sports are like seventy eight percent black. You can name on one hand of black owners. It's like, oh, you're Michael Jordan. You're one of the greatest of all time, so you can be an owner. Is there a black owner in the NFL. I don't think it exists. No, magic is partially right. Yeah's different though, Yeah.

00:40:03
Speaker 3: You got Dolf.

00:40:09
Speaker 7: But you but you like but like to your point, it's like I remember in twelfth grade, uh, me and Steph we met with Spike Lee for he Got Game. So a lot of people don't know, like it's based on like part of steph life and then off my name.

00:40:25
Speaker 3: He wanted to name the character.

00:40:26
Speaker 7: Guard and he was like when he saw me playing Listyle, he came up with the idea of like, oh, Jesus show work because he wouldn't say God or whatever, and uh, Me and Steph auditioned and then he was like, oh, I'm go give you all a part. But he was like the problem was if we took the role, we couldn't we be n C double A ineligible because we're just getting paid. So that's why Steph ain't even do this own movie. And then and Ray Allen was going to the NBA so he could do it. So that's what people that don't don't know about, Like the whole movie thing came about, you know, and Spike talk about this is not me just saying and Spike talk about how he saw me play a little style, and then he got the idea of like he was like, man, he got that name and he's good in basketball. And then that's instead of using God, just Jesus show.

00:41:17
Speaker 1: And that's what I want to ask you, Kiss And I don't ask you Joe, because I see a lot of like articles about streaming and how they're not doing the artist justice per se, like the artists to say we can have like a billion. This literally reminds me of the NCAA and IM when I see this about artist, it's like you can sell a billion streams that make like fifty.

00:41:43
Speaker 4: I don't even understand. I don't even know if they made a book. I don't even know if there's anywhere they just made up their own rules with sh am I right room right, I don't know what.

00:41:57
Speaker 3: The fuck they doing. I don't mean to bring up a story topic, but this is how I felt. This is how I felt.

00:42:05
Speaker 4: If you go to any maybe maybe the higher ruption, and you know, you're Gonnam barrass ivind Me and somebody like that, and them type of people can explain it. But I'm almost ninety seven percent sure if you just ask any of your friends of the all the athletes, and they're never gonna be even explain.

00:42:28
Speaker 1: It's one of them that's crazy. So that that's the equivalent of me playing at Michigan. And so now let's pay for play. So Fad Jones a great high school player, and he's gonna pick a school to go. Now they're picking the highest bidder. Yeah, but most of the players aren't selling goods. That's called pay for play. So what made us. Different is we would have been selling a rachie black black socks or like like we were jerseys, like we were selling product.

00:43:07
Speaker 3: Artists, y'all are selling product, you know what I'm saying.

00:43:12
Speaker 1: So I don't understand how I can buy your your song or your your album, but you don't get paid from it.

00:43:22
Speaker 6: Really, how does we've been We've been sold out from the forefos and unfortunately.

00:43:32
Speaker 3: We're trying to give her fans from what they did. Exactly?

00:43:36
Speaker 6: Is that a flag of stuff? While you why are you laughing at that? Because uh, I won't even hear why you look why you found that?

00:43:46
Speaker 4: Because I don't know. They didn't sell us out. They didn't They didn't know what happened.

00:43:51
Speaker 3: They didn't know.

00:43:54
Speaker 6: What happens is we've been sold out by the four flocks, and unfortunately in the black and Latino community, it's like when you watch a bunch of kids playing.

00:44:06
Speaker 3: With the ball and the kid goes my ball. You can't play with it my ball. But daddy thought he was the only person that could make a dollar. The whole entire industry wanted every dollar you could think of.

00:44:18
Speaker 6: Right, A couple of other guys wanted every single dollar you could think of. So it wasn't like each one teach one. It was like, yo, play the Rubik's Q to you fucking crack the colde. So no one to this day, no one told me you can get a dollar like this.

00:44:40
Speaker 5: It's definitely not a game that passes on Intel.

00:44:45
Speaker 6: But there's people who knew it. Though there's no there's people, and I love everybody. I'm not throwing shots up offer nobody like that. Somebody like, no, I didn't mean that. I did not mean that. What I'm trying to tell you is I didn't mean it in that way. What I'm saying is the man wanted to be the king. Everybody wanted to be like a king, and they wouldn't tell you.

00:45:09
Speaker 3: So we going like this. I said this with.

00:45:11
Speaker 6: Before Puffers ever be in trouble, and he's a big inspiration to me. So you know, but I'm in my video with bottles of fucking sarat. I'm wearing Sean John, I'm wearing this. I don't know what the fuck going on. Next thing I know he's selling these ships for a billion dollars and so we influencing the streets. They looking and they're like, oh, we need to get that sweatsuit. We need to drink that sarack. We need to They fucking named the whole Coco Loso after fucking fabulous.

00:45:44
Speaker 3: I don't think he ever got a dollar. Huh.

00:45:47
Speaker 5: I wrote the bigeon.

00:45:50
Speaker 9: Look we're not here pointing that puff right. What I am saying, hold on you is you wrote the bena.

00:46:01
Speaker 3: I sat down. Yeah, he wrote everything. He wrote everything, but let me explain said he wrote his part?

00:46:08
Speaker 5: I wrote my party.

00:46:09
Speaker 6: Somebody I respect to the highest level in the universe, who I don't think but I know is highly intelligent.

00:46:18
Speaker 1: It is Russell Simmons. And I used to add him when I was young. I'd be like, Yo, why we ain't got no black distribution? Why we ain't pressing bain or no lie? He was like, Joe, you really don't want to be asking that question. This is the guy who wants to say that's what I was asking about.

00:46:34
Speaker 5: Inn I l no, but never giving it, never get to the bottom.

00:46:38
Speaker 3: But he'll tell you you don't.

00:46:41
Speaker 1: Don't even ask that ship. I'd be like, yo, what do you mean?

00:46:44
Speaker 3: He is the reason why nobody got the ship.

00:46:47
Speaker 1: They don't want nobody to get that ship, and this, and then you heard about people trying to make moves like that and they always got in trouble with the law or some scandal came out.

00:46:56
Speaker 6: You know, they they scandaling, mother fuck us forever. You talked about somebody we knew in the back in basketball, maybe scandaling niggas forever, Like Okay, you're getting too loose, wacko jacko.

00:47:12
Speaker 1: So yeah, So that as a question that I have for both of you, gentlemen, because there's a dope Bart that I love. You know, dead rappers get better promotion in my life, right, So I want to ask you with Big and you with pun because like, those are two of my favorite artists that rest in peace aren't here anymore? Like what did you when I'm gonna start with you kiss like see and Big when he was alive? And what disappointed you about how he was projected after he died, because that's your line.

00:47:53
Speaker 4: But I saw when he was alive was a good guy that took care of a lot of people, very human Maris unlike the stuff man Crack just said. He did put myself and my brothers onto all of the howers that beat in the discrepancies And what to look for from Diddy and how he was gonna be and this and that and you know, I mean, how to be an artist and how to conduct yourself things like that.

00:48:20
Speaker 1: That's what I was able to learn from him my time being able to spend with him.

00:48:26
Speaker 5: After he passed. It's kind of I got that line kind of off him in Punch.

00:48:31
Speaker 4: Buff was able to sell ten million offen No Way Out album after the.

00:48:36
Speaker 5: Pass and the big I've seen a lot of people just claim to be cooler with them than they were. One of the things I don't like. One of the things I don't like is through all of the shrew all of the.

00:48:53
Speaker 4: Whateverlits and shit and gis, people don't have the relationship with his kids. It beat so called everybody was big man and this and that, and didn't those kids numbing? They never spoke through his kids. They don't got kids birthday, they don't. So that's frock and shit right there. But it's a lot of that that goes on with this industry. It's a lot of smoking mirrors.

00:49:18
Speaker 10: And when you come across from good people that do good business and you're able to have a relationship outside of the music business, stay tight with them, and everybody else.

00:49:30
Speaker 3: Fuck what about you?

00:49:32
Speaker 11: Joe Big pun Puny complicated.

00:49:37
Speaker 6: After he died, there was no more money, So it wasn't like I never made a dollar from here he passed.

00:49:44
Speaker 1: Really that's a fact.

00:49:46
Speaker 3: Really never made a dollar. One of the dopest themselves.

00:49:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know what happens is I just seen and I want to quote this right, but I breezed through, but I knew what he was saying. I just saw an interview with French Montana said he sold sixty five million records.

00:50:06
Speaker 3: That still don't got to ore you to. This ship is raping you records. It's raping you, rape me, you rape me. No, this ship we'll be raping you, raping you. Were this shit here, sixty five million records. That's what French Montana said. So what I'm trying to tell you is the only correct correct. It's actually worked.

00:50:28
Speaker 1: It's like college, you guys out, It's the college of the guys. This ship, you know, like I got an album to me, it's a big deal. It sold two million records on Atlantic Records. And it's twenty something years that I never see a fucking dollars from this album, Like to this day, but I learned the business, and I've been independent from maybe seven fteen years. And now if I sell, if I put out an album Isel one hundred thousand record, I make a couple of million.

00:51:06
Speaker 6: So you got to educate yourself and figure it out. You know what, I man, who is that George Bush? Something happened to me, Shame on me. Something happened again for me once for me two times, Shame on me. That's on you if you get jerked one time and you ain't learning from the process. Because everything in life, if you get taken advantage of financially, we're gonna have a due to your skills. I'm gonna be a Harvard student. Let me think something to you. And so you got to learn from your mistakes and your lessons in life. And I've always been good with that. Meaning like, I got a big brother that I looked up to that was a billion times smarter than me, but.

00:51:59
Speaker 3: He fucked us on life up using drugs. So I never used drugs. So I have to see you. You know, I grew up in the family of gambling Hollys. We ain't had shit, Nord.

00:52:12
Speaker 6: I remember we I used to be sitting on the fucking floor, the projects. I'm laying on the floor and watching my grandmother, my grandfather, my aunts, my uncles, they playing the number, they betting, they lax and everything right, and then one day my mother hits, and the number.

00:52:30
Speaker 3: What's the matter? My mother hits. Listen, my mother hits and she might have made four hundred dollars.

00:52:38
Speaker 1: And you only hit the number once every like year, you playing every day, one hundred hours.

00:52:45
Speaker 6: She gotta tip the lady. She played the number with the whole family, waiting for ten, twenty dollars all away. Before you know it, she won forty.

00:52:54
Speaker 3: Dollars back up the eight. She spent the skin. You fucking with me.

00:53:01
Speaker 6: I did the numbers and the knowledge, and I knew these people are suckers.

00:53:07
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do that. And so now they booked me all the time in Vegas, right, and they hoping you.

00:53:14
Speaker 6: Like a dopeen So in any other place here we're doing this little event, they walked me int no, no, it's huge, but they walked me in through the back.

00:53:25
Speaker 3: Correct.

00:53:26
Speaker 6: Anywhere I go, if I do a stadium show, they walking me through the back, club, walking me through the back.

00:53:33
Speaker 3: Vega's the only place they walked me to my show in the casino. Do the fucking tables. They want me, they want me to catch that dop team.

00:53:43
Speaker 1: If I'm a gambler, I'm stopping there and I'm betting all this shit they just gave me back in that table with yourself good luck. I'd be boy the table skippy do that skippy day where the free food at like o fake Gizzie.

00:54:02
Speaker 3: You got me. But that's yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's but but that's you. That's your point. That's residual income for you. Man. You've been throwing up flags at me for that glizzy talk. But that's to your point.

00:54:20
Speaker 7: It's like when you grow up in the hood, you get so stuck in the pain for what happened that you can't see the things that could be better.

00:54:27
Speaker 3: Right. So like for me, it wasn't easy, but it wasn't hard, right.

00:54:33
Speaker 7: So like even in my book I talk about like you always asked me about my relationship with my father, and my father's.

00:54:39
Speaker 3: Here, so like our dad he was throwing.

00:54:44
Speaker 7: With me. I always like to learn, so like all the stuff, all the stuff he'd been through, you know, when I was young, our relationship was like up and down because he went to jail and stuff like that and things that happened. You know, me not being a man at that time, you know, you look at him, blame him for what's going on, right, and then then the eleventh grade you have a son, and then it changed your life and then you figure.

00:55:06
Speaker 3: It like eleventh grade.

00:55:09
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's like it's not always it's not always his fault because he was going through stuff, and he was going through his own stuff and trying to figure out his own stuff. And then while he was in jail, finish college and all that stuff. And now you know, as a man, you know, he's one of my best friends, you know, because he treat my kids and stuff like that.

00:55:28
Speaker 3: But what he don't know is is like all the stuff he went through was the example for me not to go through.

00:55:34
Speaker 7: So through through his pain and his trials and tribulation, it made me successful as a person, made me not feel sorry for myself or be stuck in place and just always get up and like, you know, next day gonna be better, you know what.

00:55:48
Speaker 3: I'm saying, and just push push that to the limit. So that's why I always try to pay it forward.

00:55:53
Speaker 7: And like I said, you know, I know, we hear you know on y'all podcast, which is amazing podcast. We're here Jermian Rolls podcast, No No No, and we're here to talk about the McDonald's American Game. And that was like one of my first stepping stone to the NBA because I looked at Jell and Rolls and the people before me. I was like, man, the dudes that make it to the McDonald's or American Game go to the NBA, and you.

00:56:20
Speaker 3: Know all the stuff my father went through.

00:56:22
Speaker 7: I was just like, like I said, the one thing he did always teach me, you know, being a fitherser and stuff like that.

00:56:28
Speaker 3: Always have discipline.

00:56:30
Speaker 1: I always have knowledge yourself, right, So I had knowledge yourself since.

00:56:36
Speaker 3: Ye crack came.

00:56:38
Speaker 1: I lot.

00:56:41
Speaker 3: Look at it, so I always I always.

00:56:46
Speaker 7: Had knowledge yourself since I was young, and I was always proud to be black, right. So that's why when I went to Hall of it was so impactful because it was the Pollo, the one hundred twenty fifth Street, Jada kissingon was always at the mark five.

00:57:00
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

00:57:01
Speaker 7: Even though they was my age, they was doing something I've never seen before, like putting words together and stuff like that. So it was always like mad love and mutual respect for them because it was just like, man, these dudes are gonna blow up. I didn't know how they was gonna blow but I'm like, man, these dudes in the hood smashing, you know, whether it was him made's Kim, And so as me going forward, I was like, Okay, my first stepping stone is to just make McDonald's for America.

00:57:26
Speaker 3: So that's why I was just pressed because I was like, if I could make that, then my odds to go up, right.

00:57:31
Speaker 7: And I remember when I got the call over the loud speaker because that's when and at this point, you didn't take the same position from the same city, right, So I already knew Steph was gonna be McDonald's America.

00:57:42
Speaker 3: Step was the best.

00:57:43
Speaker 7: Seventh grade, best eighth grade, best ninth grade. That's tenth grade, best eleventh grade. So I was like, man, I was like, it might be impossible. I got work hard because at that point they didn't take the same position and we both as point guards. So when I got the call over the loudspeaker, Steff was like the second person that told me I made McDonald's America, and That's all I wanted to do because I wanted to make my father proud. I wanted to make my father friends. I wanted my father friends to go tell them like, Yo, this is your son. You know what I'm saying. So like for me, through all the childs of teletion, I sing, butther like I say, like we in the hood and stuff.

00:58:20
Speaker 3: I always knew like it could be better. And I was like, I know what. I didn't know what I wanted to become. But I said, I know what I don't want to be.

00:58:28
Speaker 7: And my biggest thing was I didn't want people to walk up to me like I used to see them walk up to people. I look up to him, like, man, he used to be nice. So that's like a big insult to me. Like when somebody say you used to be you to talk about it, you know you can't used to look at that.

00:58:45
Speaker 3: Joe like shit, I'm flying right now, right now. Don't play that for me. I got all my teeth, all my all my tea, all my teeth. Don't play that.

00:58:58
Speaker 1: It's been a life. People get runs and then they played that and they remember they used to this.

00:59:05
Speaker 7: Not me.

00:59:06
Speaker 3: You wanted to cast it. I'm gonna have.

00:59:08
Speaker 7: So that's why I'm proud to be a McDonald's All American because to this day, those are my brothers, Like Steph KG, Vince Carter pull up his you know, probably the same jail. I could speak to his class like, those are my brothers, like when I see them as a god.

00:59:24
Speaker 3: A question for y'all brought it up. It was the Joe and Jadi show. I Love you.

00:59:33
Speaker 6: Paul Peers thinks that if he was in his prime, it would be no Lebron James.

00:59:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's just the rivalry. Okay.

00:59:45
Speaker 1: He doesn't raise like I went to bed one night. I went to bed one night. He was like, Michael Jordan is nothing. I'm gonna crush him.

00:59:53
Speaker 3: Please, that's no, no, no, no, no, no no. Let me let me say this. This as a favorite in the Underdog, Yes, sir, you want to good question. This is a dandy book.

01:00:07
Speaker 1: Good.

01:00:08
Speaker 6: Paul Pierce thinks, and if he was in his prime, it would be no Lebron James. Case in point or whatever.

01:00:16
Speaker 3: He says.

01:00:17
Speaker 6: He made Lebron James team up with d Wade to them and go down to Miami because they won them two chips in the world he said, I was past my prime and I forced him to go down to Miami and play with them because we had the game all smash so honest smashes all right, So y'all host school for myself, but I'm fast because of that. Can y'all both answer it as honest as possible? I'll start with you, sham God. Do you think that Paul Piers, if he's at his prime, Lebron James Dog got to wait six years for a chip or something.

01:00:59
Speaker 7: Nah, that's why through the flag because you know Paul is want McDonald's American guy, and that's my brother.

01:01:04
Speaker 3: But the reason why.

01:01:07
Speaker 7: Lebron went to Miami is because Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen came to Boston. If Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen don't come to Boston, then Paul Pis never get a ring and there's no reason for Lebron to go anywhere. So when he say Lebron went and team Dugan somebody, it's not that he went a team double Spike, but somebody came and teamed up with him for him to win a ring. So you gotta have the same grace for the next man that goes somewhere else, listen what you think.

01:01:35
Speaker 1: One of my favorite verses came from Big and that's like, as I look at you, gentlemen, it literally just came to me when he was like, do you sling crack rock? Or you got a wicked jump shot? Because we idolized what you guys do and many artists wish they hooped, like Jada kiss was literally just talking like I wanted to hoop, but like I ain't get the offers that I want, or Cam talk about it. I've heard multiple people talk about it. But to your question, Paul literally said he was past his front, so therefore nothing stopping Lebron. At that time, the Pistons were a couple of years older and like Lebron is his gold stat he earned that, not better than Michael dordon no.

01:02:25
Speaker 3: No, but he's go status. I can't do that.

01:02:28
Speaker 6: What you think, Jada Kissing, you always make a funny wite When you heard that and you squinted.

01:02:34
Speaker 5: He said, they both said that.

01:02:36
Speaker 1: I think you're a liar, and deep down the side in your heart, you think Lebron's better than Jordan.

01:02:41
Speaker 3: I think, so conversation come up. Who the fuck is he? He always give me a twitch.

01:02:49
Speaker 6: I'm mj forever. He's very smart, very calculated man. But your fucking you know, like you know, like that cop interrogation, you did it? Do you at the bottle in his store? You had the fucking bottle in his store.

01:03:04
Speaker 1: So as somebody that played against Michael Jordan's play against Kobe Plait against Lebron, I'll just tell you, guys something, there's nobody better than Michael.

01:03:16
Speaker 3: Let's talk slow to him. I want to be very clear. You're with us now, huh? And Rich pauling it.

01:03:23
Speaker 1: He's like, there's a reason why you're wearing his shoes and he ain't played in thirty years.

01:03:28
Speaker 3: I agree, there's an actual reason.

01:03:32
Speaker 1: Just think about this, and I know the cool kids say pause now, So I thought it out, But this gentleman played basketball with his tongue hanging out. Just think about You can't walk from this stage to the back with your tongue.

01:03:46
Speaker 3: Out without biting your tongue. Just think about that. So Jordan revncing the wrong man. So you're wearing his shoes preaching to the converted. I'm telling you why you're wearing his shoes.

01:03:59
Speaker 1: It's not just because he won the Championships, like Jordan had that sexy that fly, he showed up with the Blazer, had.

01:04:07
Speaker 3: The Ferrari, parked it in the arena, played with his tongue hanging out like like this. This is iconic.

01:04:15
Speaker 12: Part two to your answer. This is why I say Kobe Bryance the second best water. I was standing there when he scored eighty one fast, I know. And the thing is, let me, let me give you no highlights in that game.

01:04:36
Speaker 3: Let me give you a hit record.

01:04:38
Speaker 1: And he said, you have four no hit records in that game. Sat down for the four. That means did not sit down for the Oh so that wasn't that game, Mas, that was.

01:04:51
Speaker 3: The MAS, sat down the whole four. So we played up. So here's so I want I want to highlight with me, not I want to highlight what you're saying.

01:05:05
Speaker 1: Kobe was on the heater that month, like I looked at the schedule and I'm gonna do a story time like we wasn't legal then, we was not legal and are we?

01:05:19
Speaker 3: Marijuana was not legal cannabis start.

01:05:22
Speaker 1: It might have been a little bloated trying to pass the test that night because they were there to test.

01:05:28
Speaker 3: You, making excuses ain't no excuses. Kobe's my that's my little brother.

01:05:34
Speaker 1: Like, if you google right now, who was Kobe Bryant's favorite player when he was in high school? It was me. If you google that right now, it was me. So that that's my little brother. I'll never forget. We was working out of U. C. L A.

01:05:53
Speaker 3: And y'all know this is artists.

01:05:55
Speaker 1: We was working out and doing our thing, and we felt like, you know, we're gonna go to berk and Santa Monica and get massages and like rehabilitate and hitting the scheme and whatever. But what I didn't know his ass was going back to the gym. He ain't tell me.

01:06:13
Speaker 3: So I was going to LA to kick it. So we worked out in the morning, you know this coach, that's why you laughing.

01:06:20
Speaker 1: So like we go work out in the morning and I'm thinking, like we're done and I'm going I'm doing the LA thing.

01:06:26
Speaker 3: His ass went back to the gym and didn't tell me he did that.

01:06:31
Speaker 1: Every I got a story for you. I come up in Jersey, I parked the car in the garage. I'm going to see my man.

01:06:41
Speaker 6: It's one of them buildings that you go to the lobby, and you got to take the other elevator to go to the thirtieth floors up.

01:06:48
Speaker 3: You gotta get out in the lobby. I gotta keep this around me for you sometimes. Okay, it's okay, it's all right, it's all right.

01:06:55
Speaker 6: Right. I come out in the lobby, and then thirty people that live in that building surrounded the front desk, So of course I go be nosey. I'm like, yo, what's going on? The security? The doorman is watching the little black and white TV. It's the finals, So I'm watching the finals. If you ever wonder, one time you ever seen yo, what with other people thinking? At this moment, I happen to be there by mistake, with thirty people watching the basketball finals.

01:07:30
Speaker 3: So I go over there.

01:07:31
Speaker 6: Everybody's watching, Asian people, white people's fan like everybody. The whole lobby is ran pat watching this little TV. They down two points, right, the Lakers are down two points. The other team got the ball, so they're about to throw the ball at Kobe jumps over, something hits the guy. The ball hits the guy and goes throw a whole thirty people.

01:07:58
Speaker 3: A body's crying. I'm like, they're still down to they got the ball.

01:08:04
Speaker 1: Why are you crying at this point, guys? Because you knew that motherfucker was gonna curl and hit that three in your face. That ball got checked in, he did the curl and shot that three, and they fucking faced the whole thirty people knew exactly what was gonna happen with Kobe Bryant.

01:08:25
Speaker 3: And this is why I say he's the second best.

01:08:28
Speaker 7: And this is why I say right, So, like what people understand is it goes back to like what Kiss was talking about with Big right when his untimely demis is like when I see people act like they were more cooler with him than they were, it like bothers me to this day because like Kobe first came back from overseas small circle, I'm the first person.

01:08:51
Speaker 3: That he met. Right.

01:08:54
Speaker 7: We played ABCD together and his father, I was dribbling and stuff and his father was like, Yo, can you teach mysel know how to dribble?

01:09:01
Speaker 3: He was like, and this is not me talking.

01:09:03
Speaker 7: Because I ain't talk about it in twenty years. Kobe said it retirement. So Kobe said it out of his mouth and he was like yeah. He was like, so when I first when I first met him. His father was like, hey, can you teach him how to dribble? He was like, my son got everything, but he really can't dribble. And I was like, we your son. And we had a game that night and ABCD and this dude like shooting gum walking like Jordan's talking like Jordan uh. And at this time I just made make Donalds American. I was like, he's shooting all the balls. I'm like, yo, who the fuck is this shooting the ball? This is supposed to be my team right now? And we in Jersey, so I'm like I'm home, like this is my joint. And his father was like, you know, he's just learning here, Junior. This at this time, Tim Thomas is the guard, like number one playing in the Country's nobody touching Tim Thomas. So then Cole was coming in to prow points. So I'm like, all right, you know, I get up every morning to work out. I do this, I do my own routine before camp start. So he's like, all right, we're talking you. I'm there, and I'm smart as I'm like, oh yeah, I'll be there five in the morning. No one, I ain't gonna be there five in the morning. So I get there like seven. He full sweated already like, oh what he actually came. He came, He's just working out. He's not mad that I came. Two hours later.

01:10:24
Speaker 3: He's like, what's up? What we doing? What we're doing? What we're working on? So I'm showing them how.

01:10:29
Speaker 1: To cross over, do all this stuff.

01:10:31
Speaker 7: And at this point he like a sponge, right, So he just learned all this stuff and I'll never forget, like his first year in the NBA. If you my first year NBA, if you look on highlight when he dunked on Ben Wallace. I'm right here on the baseline next to Ben Wallace and I'm telling Ben, like, yo, he gonna right.

01:10:50
Speaker 3: The left cross. I showed him He's gonna right the left cross.

01:10:53
Speaker 7: So then he crosses, come down laying the dunks on Ben Wallace and he's like and at this point, you know, when you're ABC and you young, all the kids are like, you know, not hating on them, but you know how we teach. People were like, oh, you think you Jordan's you think this?

01:11:07
Speaker 3: You think that? And he was like, what we be better than Jordan? Are you crazy?

01:11:11
Speaker 7: He was like, Jordan's shoot one thousand jump shots. I'm shooting two thousand, mates, So you got to think at fifty percent, he's just shot four.

01:11:18
Speaker 3: Thousand, right a day. Not this, This is this is drive.

01:11:23
Speaker 7: So like when he get in the NBA and they start calling him showtime and him in shock, all these people beefing and all that, he was already so mute to it. Whereas Cob used to get on the bus with headphones on with no music just so he can hear people talk about him. Right, this is how vicious he was. So like when people talk about him, it's kind of like for me, it's personal.

01:11:45
Speaker 3: It's like the thing with.

01:11:45
Speaker 7: Steph, Like I seen him at that age, like where he was shooting, like you said the discipline, he was shooting two thousand jump shots. Back then he wanted to play against jail and Rhodes and Jerry stackhousing him in high school. Back then, I was like, no, I'm the guy, Like, don't compare me to this person that person. So like that right there made me and him to like to a twenty five year relationship to where under his timely demids, I was training his daughter. Right, so I have a picture in my house where it is me his daughter, the other two girls. I have a picture of myles right now. Everybody, everybody in the picture is dead but me today was on the plane right. So it's like and the crazy thing about what his daughter was. He flies me to La. He's like, he called me. He's the only person could do it. He called me. He's like, hey, I need you to train my daughter how to dribble. And this time I'm working with the Maths story. I'm working with the Maths. The kids know this story sign. I'm with the Maths. He like, Yo, I'm gonna fly you to LA. I want you to work my daughter out hundred girls And I'm like, what girls. He's like, my girls team, I got like four of them. They gonna go to u Konin't Gray.

01:12:53
Speaker 1: I'm like what.

01:12:54
Speaker 7: He's like, yeah, I get there. He's like, hey, we're going to start practicing at six in the morning. He said, we're gonna do six eight. We're gonna do six, eight and twelve. So I was like, you want them to work out six hours and he was like yeah. He was like, I only want them dribbling. And I was like, oh, they can't dribble six hours, bro. He's like, no, we're gonna do two hours at a time. I just want them dribbling. I go there, I start working with his daughter. She's just like him, what you got, coach? What you got coach?

01:13:28
Speaker 3: Now that all the parents is there watching me train him. Eight o'clock, Come coach, just dropped the ball. Take his door to walk out. Come back.

01:13:37
Speaker 7: I'm like, you know, we're gonna do some shooting. Or he's like, nah, I just want them dribbler. I'll take care of the shooting. Just want them dribbling. She's like, what we got? And I'm like, cold, they can't do this the whole week, bro, And she was like every day I walked in there, coach, what we got?

01:13:53
Speaker 3: We got more? Old coach. Look, I learned this from earlier.

01:13:57
Speaker 7: So that's why when when all this stuff happened, it was just so like like u'surreal for me because I meet people today that talk about, yeah, you know cold, this cold My god is that they don't even know, don't even they.

01:14:09
Speaker 3: Actually introduced them to his system.

01:14:12
Speaker 7: So it's kind of like a kids said, like you're saying you know somebody, somebody your best friend or your mentor how you don't know their sister, right, And I just saw his sister like a month ago, and she was just like, it's so crazy. How when we was in high school, my brother used to come to the house and be like, Yo, this the move.

01:14:32
Speaker 3: Sham God be doing this. The move sham God be.

01:14:35
Speaker 7: Doing So like for me, it's like, like I said, it's no better feeling, Like all the stuff I went through, you know, going to the NBA, not finishing whatever.

01:14:45
Speaker 3: It's like God just had a bigger plan for me.

01:14:47
Speaker 7: Right, And when I was young, the only thing I wanted to do is inspire people. I wasn't thinking about being rich. I woudn't think about that because because to Joe's credit, to like jay Z's, to the rich porters of the world and all that, that's all I got from Harlem was inspiration. So that's the only thing I knew that was concrete, right, is the inspired people. So when the things happen, like with Cob and the people that was put in my life, to even being on this podcast right now, to the Mark Cubans of the world, to being a part of rock Nation and stuff like that, it's like, there's no better feeling for me. Right, So it's like everything I asked for, I always say I've got So that's why I'm like real big on being spiritual and real big on knowing this is bigger than me, you know what I'm saying.

01:15:38
Speaker 3: And that's crazy because like and by the way, shout to.

01:15:44
Speaker 1: All of the McDonald's all high School, all America.

01:15:46
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, that's why we're here, Yes sir. And shout to Rock Nation yep.

01:15:54
Speaker 1: Joe and Jada, Yes sir, favorite show and family, and shout to you sham because us. One of the things that it's overlooked about, like this union is like the level of respect be half of each other and how hard it is to be fat Joe and Jada kiss and gosh. I don't want to get too preachy or like too therapy or whatever, but like you gentlemen, are success stories, yes, and what ends up happening in our community ends up happening with you know, notable figures. Sometimes we underestimate what they had to overcome to be who they are. That's that's a real thing. Like Jada Kiss, I know this human being has overcome some stuff. It's fat Joe, and he acts like is because this crack where he stood up it overcomes the stuff.

01:17:04
Speaker 3: Right, God sham, God has literally overcomes his stuff. And the beauty of this audience and the beauty.

01:17:12
Speaker 1: Of this opportunity is to like inspire people. And that's really what we want to do, to serve when you make music. I hear you talk about this all of the time. You got so many hit records.

01:17:25
Speaker 6: We got inspired the people, And I just want to go back because they twist out your word. Shout out the Diddy. I ain't throw no shot because you know how they twist your ship.

01:17:38
Speaker 3: We're not. We're not gonna get fighting down. He's with my guys in jail. So it was really really good down.

01:17:44
Speaker 5: Shout out to the soldiers and four dicks down?

01:17:48
Speaker 3: What would you be? And those way more vehicles on on the street. Where was y'all be? Where? I want everybody this? Where would you be? Instagram?

01:18:00
Speaker 7: Instagram back came out? Where would you be if you had Instagram? And I'd lean back for first.

01:18:10
Speaker 3: Of all, being be in jail. We didn't have a wife. Oh I say, they fucked me up. That be the worst day from me to be the worst day from my life.

01:18:21
Speaker 1: Financially, I'd have been liked busito, like Man, that shit would have been over a billion serves that lean back in the instagram.

01:18:33
Speaker 3: Imagine everybody you would have seen churches.

01:18:38
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was the most fat friendly dance you ever seen in your life.

01:18:44
Speaker 3: Facts, that ship would have been.

01:18:46
Speaker 1: Out of here?

01:18:46
Speaker 3: How did how did lean back happen? Man?

01:18:50
Speaker 6: They keep telling us we gotta go really quick. That Jamaicans was killing the game. So they had signal to play away. Underran a running man, you know, and that ship. So when we came up with the beat, me and Scott Storch, we in college studio and I was like, Yo, this ship gotta be a simple hook.

01:19:14
Speaker 3: And they didn't. We didn't know yet stuff we know now. We didn't know.

01:19:18
Speaker 1: But I knew that I had to make a simple hook that even a little kid could sing. And we spitting all type of I don't give a fuck about all life, and I just say yo, and they be looking at me like crack.

01:19:33
Speaker 3: What you think I'll say?

01:19:34
Speaker 9: Man?

01:19:34
Speaker 3: My people don't thanks. We just full up our fens, do the rocklean, lean back, I lean and it's like that ship and it was out of here. We re beeaated it twice.

01:19:51
Speaker 1: And that's how I learned how to make it hits, like make it rain, and you know, like even when if you think R and B, let me get real quick, well, when you got records where they're like they tell you that ain't it yet? Like when the when when the R and B singers are blowing to the point of we can't even mimic it, and like that's not a hit. It gotta be something that we could sing along to even though we can't sing, you know, you know, like it's hard to sing.

01:20:20
Speaker 3: Hen I M tell I'm not yo hey. Before wrapping up, who had the best McDonald's American class?

01:20:32
Speaker 7: Right?

01:20:32
Speaker 3: Also? Shot Rock Nation? Shot Donalds All American? Yes, get your fried?

01:20:37
Speaker 5: What extra?

01:20:39
Speaker 3: No, No, no, it's ninety six ninety five? Is the best McDonalds of America?

01:20:43
Speaker 5: Who's ninety five?

01:20:44
Speaker 7: I might have been Northfolk, God, Sham God, Stephan Marlbury, Paul fizz, Antoine Jamison, Vince Carter, Kevin Garne, the Tractor Trailer, Chris Klak, Chauncey, Billups, Louis Block. What's ninety six NAT ninety six is Jermaine O'Neill, Kobe Bryant, No, no, Steve that that's the drive you're talking about? The drive talking about the high school down American Jermaine O'Neill, Stack Jack, Rip Hamilton that next year, Yeah, that's the next year, Rip Hamilton, Holloway. We are arguably the best dunker ever. We are arguably one of the best dribblers ever met dunk you have. You had Stephen Marbury, culture changer. You had Kevin Garnett that changed the whole algorithm.

01:21:40
Speaker 1: Wow.

01:21:41
Speaker 7: You had Chauncey Billups big shot. You had Tractor Trailer bear rest in peace. You had Paul Piers Ron Mercer. Yeah, bro, he answer the question.

01:21:58
Speaker 3: This ain't that? And that ain't this?

01:22:02
Speaker 1: His cracking kiss God damn makes some noise for this Sam God.

01:22:06
Speaker 7: Yeah.

01:22:07
Speaker 1: So McDonald's all American, that dot Yes, this hip stepping that got three McDonald's all the Merrians.

01:22:17
Speaker 3: New York.

01:22:17
Speaker 4: We got the rat list twins and we got one ball go they going to us he goes, and the other dude is going to Michigan State.

01:22:26
Speaker 1: So I did I need to ask one question on the walk up because I need.

01:22:29
Speaker 3: To take the old man sky Rizzy.

01:22:34
Speaker 6: You know they ain't even I looked it up. That ain't even for when you got a piss you'll be saying shop for no reason?

01:22:40
Speaker 3: Yo, flag on the play. So I got a quick I got a question for both the y'all. Let me ask my question. Got to use the bath. Who's the best?

01:22:50
Speaker 1: Huh?

01:22:51
Speaker 3: You're jacking the spot. You talk to me crazy with the media. But what the out out here? Put the dad the fab five? You don't joy? He tried to act like his name came from his crack. He did. I cannot believe you want a simple question. Who is the best? Who is the best female basketball player? Right now?

01:23:18
Speaker 13: Cannas Parker Right, I'm saying around as wil Korea A Wilson, Asia Wilson, As Wilson, going, Caitlin Clark, Asia Wi Wilson, Asia Wilson.

01:23:34
Speaker 1: You gotta go on, Juju Watson, Now you gotta sit this, gotta sit this one out. Dog. I love Asian Wilson, all right, hold on, I love you.

01:23:44
Speaker 3: I love you so much that I'm not the light skin girl, the pretty well. I don't give it. I don't girl. What's the name you don't want to talking about?

01:23:53
Speaker 7: No?

01:23:53
Speaker 3: I get PTSD as you your question? No, So when I'm telling you who's the light skin?

01:24:03
Speaker 6: No, Juju, she's gonna take all of she taking the ball out j from l A, Juju from l A. She's gonna take Juju. Watkins is gonna take all of the mouse. I'm telling you, the white girl.

01:24:17
Speaker 3: What's the what?

01:24:17
Speaker 1: What?

01:24:17
Speaker 3: What's the light skinned girl?

01:24:18
Speaker 14: She she played like mellow feast, Feast feast the dead Knights, but that it's just the best.

01:24:30
Speaker 3: Thank you. You didn't ask me who was nice? You ask you who the best? Is the best?

01:24:35
Speaker 1: You know, play Asian Wilson right now, there's not that's the fact. There's not what's all right for clickbait, for clickbait because that I take an old man Clark.

01:24:49
Speaker 3: So come here, Joe, I got a classic com here. I love you very much.

01:24:54
Speaker 1: Come here, Joe, because I gotta I got a seat for the crowd.

01:24:58
Speaker 11: So like these are like legendary figures the bathroom, So that's what it is.

01:25:09
Speaker 3: Don't use to say the reason.

01:25:11
Speaker 1: So I'll ask Jada until Joe come back. Because I always wanted to know this because like I'm a detrader, and.

01:25:23
Speaker 11: Like blade Icewood was our king and then he and he died, you know, very young.

01:25:30
Speaker 1: And I saw this happen with Nipsey Hustle I saw this happen with multiple artists who like died before they were able to like, in my opinion, like really killed the game correct. Big l is another.

01:25:45
Speaker 11: So I want to ask Jada kiss in front of y'all, and I want y'all, I want you.

01:25:49
Speaker 5: To give you.

01:25:50
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a second to think about it.

01:25:52
Speaker 3: I want to know.

01:25:54
Speaker 1: Your favorite Biggie verse because I was thinking about this on the way here. I have like like nineteen thousand my favorite Jada Kids verses. So I know this is gonna be a tough question for you. Something that he said, something that touched your soul, something that's song for you. It's a story guy with Tracy Leap Oh yeah, the.

01:26:23
Speaker 3: Rings and things you're thinking about bring about. So I said, yeah, what's up, Veryrell with Yes, I.

01:26:31
Speaker 5: Got a I got a new mouth to feet do stuff with kys. Y'all, pick sees out, yall, weed watch.

01:26:40
Speaker 4: Motherfucking please, it's my block and my rock, fuck that hip hop, the one tools and you don't stop me and my man last to kimm in season feed or ten or pounds of weed, plants, brants, and now we lamp in twelve room mansions getting that get off, get money, play his anthem, all the all the ship niggas can be counting it, Robin come naturally and then l a fucking rapidly casting gat to me.

01:27:15
Speaker 7: Tom bolle be, Thank y'all, Thank y'all for coming definite.

01:27:28
Speaker 3: You don't gotta go home, you gotta get got it, AND's all. That's all.

01:27:34
Speaker 1: I want to ask the same question of that, Joe. And by the way, I got a discovery, Joe, you're not fat anymore? Did you were doing? I spent all my money. I got my brother Terry in the building, got yo. I was gonna bring you up, Jason Terry.

01:27:57
Speaker 3: Did Jet make some noise in the championship?

01:28:00
Speaker 4: So Jon Terry Dallas African, you know, godesistant coach.

01:28:05
Speaker 3: So I went on for life.

01:28:07
Speaker 1: So I want to ask the same question as Joey that thinks we call him crack because he was in third grade and stood up and somebody looked at the back of his ass and he wanted to sell that to us.

01:28:18
Speaker 3: I love you very much, thank you. We don't. We don't call you crack because of that. So you know, we call you crack because of what is the question? Jay? The question is.

01:28:31
Speaker 1: Your favorite big pun verse, Oh the middle, harsh realities of life, to take the toll leaving jeez Christ to shake my soul.

01:28:43
Speaker 3: You ain't the killer.

01:28:44
Speaker 1: Still learning how to walk from New York to Cali or my real niggas Captain Shaw walk you to death. Don't even talk that he's the West Crack from Roster left Rack. We still big pun. That still ain't a killer. It's crazy. Rest in peace, that's my favorite big punch on lovebody.

01:29:01
Speaker 6: Else will just say get in the middle of a little right that guys, God was crazy here. He wrote records in his sleep. True story. He wrote records and he would nine out. He had that ship where you full of sleep styles due so as the ghost man.

01:29:21
Speaker 8: He go to he put the beat on, go to sleep, wake up out on that styles, turn on the beat.

01:29:27
Speaker 4: Turned all the lights off, the electricity in there, everything.

01:29:31
Speaker 3: He wake up and he got the whole song. That's the craziest ship ever. I thought Pun was like one to full asleep, wake up and be like, yo, give me the book.

01:29:40
Speaker 6: Start writing a whole song that he heard in his sleep, and I'll be like, damn not. Not even was beyond talented and gifted and even though I discovered Pun, he taught me so much. That's why I you know, the whole game. When Big Pun passed because he was so much better than me, they thought it was over for Fat Joe counted them out.

01:30:04
Speaker 1: What No, everybody, my best friends, they didn't know.

01:30:09
Speaker 3: I went to the school of Big Putt. He taught me how to write, He taught me how.

01:30:14
Speaker 5: To thirty minutes.

01:30:16
Speaker 1: They I gotta go, y'all, listen, everybody showing Jada sport love love love love.

01:30:24
Speaker 3: Sham God, Joe Kelly, sham God, Joe Kelly, what's up?

01:30:30
Speaker 9: Teach your son the sham guy, McDonald's Americans, teach your father the sham.

01:30:34
Speaker 3: Yes, shout out McDonald's on Americans. All the McDonald's all change a bunch of lives.

01:30:40
Speaker 1: And I gotta say this because it's a McDonald's All American event.

01:30:44
Speaker 3: And I didn't say this, but I want to say this.

01:30:46
Speaker 1: As a basketball player, when you realize that you're going to the McDonald's game, Oh that's the first time.

01:30:54
Speaker 3: To realize you going to the league.

01:30:55
Speaker 15: Yes, you got a shot, right, And I remember they used to give me those cards. Get Chicken McNuggets. We are you making mckdogs over here. I ate that the whole year, so love.

01:31:07
Speaker 3: Thank you for pulling up.

01:31:08
Speaker 4: Thank you