Episode 23 - Rise of the imperial cults and creation of the Ecclesiarchy
On this episode we cover the rise of the worship of the emperor. From thew lowly cults on random worlds through the full blown Ecclesiarchy. We also dive into the reign of blood, creation of the sisters of battle, and some fun side stories. Including a great story of the Custodes doing some pretty cool crap.
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2024-02-26
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast. [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty-Klorcast with me, John Barsadian, Brad Chester. [SPEAKER_00]: This guy. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: Rogue Traders was nice, fun, upbeat episodes. [SPEAKER_00]: So how do we follow that up with the origins of the Inquisition and the Imperial Truth? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: So you want to do the exact opposite of happiness and fun? [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just remove all fun and joy. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just kick some puppies. [SPEAKER_00]: So today we're actually going to cover, we want to talk about the Inquisition. [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to really do it unless you cover the rise of the Imperial Colts. [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to cover how the Imperium went from a purely and excessively anti-religion. [SPEAKER_01]: Or it's a big deal about this because we actually caused strife. [SPEAKER_01]: We might have pushed the horse heresy into being by the fact that bad English dad was so against any sort of non-secular worship [SPEAKER_01]: that he censored his, I don't know, wildly religious on. [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to use the quote as I'm going to take credit for this as always. [SPEAKER_01]: John Spuggler, Larry, he goes, what was the origins of it? [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, ninety percent corruption in a hundred percent awful. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the origin of the empirical cults is we're going to tell a story today and at every point you're going to go, yeah, I totally saw that coming. [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, the entire story, even some of the segways will do, and the side stories will do are all, oh, that's totally productive. [SPEAKER_01]: It is boss mode though that. [SPEAKER_01]: Pure. [SPEAKER_01]: We're not supposed to do this. [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing this. [SPEAKER_01]: Turned out to make the guy that said don't do this into the most powerful being in the galaxy. [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. [SPEAKER_00]: There is. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to, we're not going to cover this episode with Brad brought it up. [SPEAKER_00]: The emperor may or may not be powered by cosy sacrificing psychers to him. [SPEAKER_00]: It's also believed in the war. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I believe in the war. [SPEAKER_00]: And that may actually that probably would not happen if everyone didn't think he was there. [SPEAKER_00]: God. [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, a little bonus teaser for a future one, but let's start off with kind of the the order malias so the order malias are [SPEAKER_00]: because GW's terrible naming thing, the order of the religion. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the biggest thing is is the anti because we split up. [SPEAKER_01]: We get more, we get, yes orders. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we get orders. [SPEAKER_01]: We get a couple of miles. [SPEAKER_01]: We get a couple big orders, but this is the first one. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also the deathbed what you're supposed to do. [SPEAKER_01]: And then they literally used it as a game of telephone. [SPEAKER_01]: And when I heard he said doing this and he's literally on the throne going, [SPEAKER_01]: that that's super not even close to what I said. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is actually the timing. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're puzzling this. [SPEAKER_01]: It is the anti case or it is the if we need to fight chaos and it gets wildly bastardized. [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, quick, they went like zero to a hundred. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_00]: So the auto malice comes from a very funny place in my mind. [SPEAKER_00]: So as soon as the the am so the flight of the Eisenstein eventually get back to earth, [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Roguel Dorne, not blowing them up, although he... Yeah, finally was about to. [SPEAKER_01]: Fine, you know what I want to say for this episode? [SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening, I'm sorry about hitting that Roguel Dorne. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not the worst primar. [SPEAKER_01]: He's just close. [SPEAKER_00]: So as I get back, the Emperor, of course, deducts instantly what's really going on, and that it's chaos. [SPEAKER_00]: So he tells Malkador, all right, we have to do something, and they decide to bring the most loyal members of the Imperium. [SPEAKER_00]: Sort of. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, the plan was also that they were going to enforce the imperial truth throughout the galaxy. [SPEAKER_01]: But the imperial truth was wildly, a lot stretched. [SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was, well, it's alive, but it's also, it's not even the right truth. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and the part, that's fun, is that he does this. [SPEAKER_00]: at the start of the horror's heresy. [SPEAKER_00]: What you're not even going to start, because by the time the items that I got back to Earth, Istvans are all done, the horror's moving towards Earth. [SPEAKER_00]: So Malkador goes in basically, he can't go to the whole galaxy to find the most loyal people. [SPEAKER_00]: He just grabs whoever can get to Earth like next couple of days. [SPEAKER_00]: Could you, uh, can you swing over here? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, quickness. [SPEAKER_00]: They can, we get all the best people that are in sight of me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, so, uh, we got that. [SPEAKER_00]: So it brings in twelve people for them or our imperial boards, so just your members of the imperial and eight or a startings. [SPEAKER_00]: the imperial warrants become the inquisition and the authorities become the great nights spoil the spoiler. [SPEAKER_01]: They do but they we're going to get ex-yown out of stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much more that goes into fact. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, yeah, I'm just going to go and we're going to get away from them. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just so that you know, because we're going to I already feel that the tomatoes being thrown at me. [SPEAKER_01]: You forgot. [SPEAKER_01]: I know we're getting there. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of things that went on. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, ten thousand years of whoopsie on Titan. [SPEAKER_01]: But [SPEAKER_00]: They were part of this, though, that they had this meeting, like, when forests had entered the sole system. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, hey, this is what we're going to do. [SPEAKER_00]: And this meeting is basically to create how we're going to fight chaos going forward. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, they literally wrote the world's shittiest constitution. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It was just bad battery. [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: Ever. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it also says that and they do this multiple times when they do the inquisition because what it says on the bottom line is it has a whole bunch of other stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: But what it says at the bottom line is you can do anything you need to do to stop out chaos and they went, what does that mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, over the next eleven thousand years, that gets interpreted pretty wildly. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the thing where it gets, I find it hilarious, but again, it's a whole made up story, so it cares. [SPEAKER_00]: But effectively, you bring these people in and you give them absolute power and absolute authority, but you do it with the existence of the Emperor. [SPEAKER_00]: So you're supposed to have somebody that can veto it because the emperor is there with whatever you do he knows you do it and He's gonna stop it out. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's right and now could door fast forward. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know two weeks damn it's like for the door existed [SPEAKER_01]: You can't stop talking to me like the Emperor told me this. [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, sure, maybe you can't stop telling me not. [SPEAKER_00]: And I actually feel bad for these people because they're being set there and said, OK, you're the last thing they're told by the person that they're most loyal to, basically most loving entire world is, I need you to save the galaxy for me. [SPEAKER_00]: And I need you just to go out there and stamp out chaos. [SPEAKER_00]: And then before they ask the follow up question, he died. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's not dead, but when I put [SPEAKER_01]: through out history. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, we're stepping ahead, but we're still throwing it out there. [SPEAKER_01]: Because all those people went, I am super loyal. [SPEAKER_01]: I am going to do this for you. [SPEAKER_01]: And I am also going to increase my personal power by exponential number. [SPEAKER_00]: How else could I do this thing for you if I could without get myself unfettered power and authority? [SPEAKER_00]: It would be impossible for me to follow through when you're talking. [SPEAKER_01]: You need to wish it anybody that thinks that I, that I shouldn't do this, is definitely a follower of chaos. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, come on. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's, that's rule number one. [SPEAKER_00]: I am here to remove chaos. [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, if you don't like me, you must be for chaos. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, everything's binary. [SPEAKER_00]: Come on. [SPEAKER_00]: This is easy. [SPEAKER_00]: We have a bunch of people given unfettered power and no ability to check on their power, but also to give them a little bit of credit, they don't even know how to check their own power. [SPEAKER_00]: The person they were relying on to say, hey, am I doing a good job? [SPEAKER_00]: From whom did it go from? [SPEAKER_01]: The problem was as bad British dad always gave these wild, you know, do this. [SPEAKER_01]: Because in the end, he felt that he was going to be there to say something about it. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if I said he's going to unlimited power. [SPEAKER_01]: Unlimited power means unlimited power until I decide it's not. [SPEAKER_00]: One interesting thing about this is they're given this unlimited power on this unlimited everything, but it doesn't really mean much if you think about it because it's it's it's twelve years, you know, four people. [SPEAKER_00]: It'll grow from there obviously. [SPEAKER_00]: They need some sort of mechanism they can lean on to really enforce and gain the true power. [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, they're just rogue drapes. [SPEAKER_00]: They're people moving system to system. [SPEAKER_00]: They have to single handily shoot the chaos worship on that. [SPEAKER_00]: So what they needed to do in order for them to grow is to have something they could lean back on for their power. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where we're going to get into next, which is the rise of the imperial cults. [SPEAKER_00]: Because if we didn't, if the emperor hadn't, it's my opinion, [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm probably right. [SPEAKER_00]: If the Emperor had never become a deity to the Imperium, I don't think the Inquisition or the Malias could have wielded as much power because they're out there saying what they're really doing is trying to stamp out chaos, but they can kind of ride the church. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they also thought out the fact of once he became a living, living quote, a living martyr, but they said that he basically just, he was living down amongst us for a short time. [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole writ, which is still the best is because the entirety of the religion was based on Lord God. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they effectively said he was an emperor always always was and always has been. [SPEAKER_01]: He was just here for a basically a small time to guide us. [SPEAKER_01]: And now he is fighting a battle in heaven versus evil for us at all times. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not making that up. [SPEAKER_01]: That is exactly what it's called. [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like even paraphrasing. [SPEAKER_01]: This is what they said. [SPEAKER_01]: He is literally in the sky as a constellation fighting the battle versus the forces of chaos. [SPEAKER_01]: And the worst part about it is as much as he didn't want it to be. [SPEAKER_01]: It ends up later on being true. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's, I mean, my favorite part of this entire story work. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to cover over this next cast, maybe two cast is the Emperor spent his, you know, all of his power years stamping out exactly this thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hundred percent. [SPEAKER_00]: And he is intuned and effectively mute, but he can see everything that happens in the inberium. [SPEAKER_00]: So we had to watch this happen. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's probably just there just screaming in a muzzle like, well, he's literally, well, the Emperor will go into this later. [SPEAKER_01]: This is a much different cast because the Emperor's psyche is like basically shattered after the horse. [SPEAKER_01]: So he's there in multiple forms being real pissed about like, I am now exactly what I told everybody not to do. [SPEAKER_01]: And I am the focal point of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's jump into the rise of, they call them the imperial cults, we can call it the God Emperor, whatever you want it call it. [SPEAKER_00]: But effectively, as we were just discussing quickly with the inquisition of what origins, there is a power vacuum. [SPEAKER_00]: And this power vacuum is probably nowhere more apparent than the Lord's of terror. [SPEAKER_00]: sucks so much because we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, remember, Gilliam and room changes them over two at the start of this, but that's a side note. [SPEAKER_00]: The Lord's of terror have no idea what to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone who is in charge, me and the note I made was they were all administrators. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone who was on the, the council of terror. [SPEAKER_00]: was there as an administrator to make his to make sure with the one of the emperor and our malkador told him to do. [SPEAKER_01]: They made stuff happen. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: You literally gave the lords of bureaucracy and you would you are now all powerful throughout the galaxy. [SPEAKER_01]: We should happen. [SPEAKER_00]: They had no idea what they were doing. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do love Gilliman, but he was incredibly stupid about this, where his Gilliman don't forget how to moment, but if you haven't read it. [SPEAKER_00]: At the right after the Emperor was in tune and Gilman arrives, he restructures the Imperial government. [SPEAKER_00]: And instead of removing the lords of Terra, he actually gives them more power. [SPEAKER_00]: He has a more power. [SPEAKER_01]: And he also gives them official more power. [SPEAKER_01]: They had like a stamp before. [SPEAKER_01]: Now they have a full declaration from the Lord of the Imperial, effectively, the guy that was going to run the other Imperial mission in Iran. [SPEAKER_01]: the he now back them and now these legendary pencil pushers are now wielding. [SPEAKER_01]: I just got back to buying effectively one of the gods of the emperor. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got there's you can't question my authority. [SPEAKER_00]: I do whatever I want, but they don't. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the emperor wasn't, I mean, he was, if they say it differently. [SPEAKER_00]: The Emperor was a bad leader to his sons. [SPEAKER_00]: Let alone random dude who's in charge of lives. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they have no idea what he's trying to do. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: Emperor is also playing four D chest and not letting anybody else know that he's playing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He is. [SPEAKER_00]: These guys just come in. [SPEAKER_00]: So what is it? [SPEAKER_00]: Where would your focus be? [SPEAKER_00]: It's on money and military. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all that the Lord's of Taricate gave a crap about. [SPEAKER_00]: What's the money? [SPEAKER_00]: What's the military? [SPEAKER_00]: So all of the Emperor's goals, like from a civilization standpoint, throw those in the garbage, which is fun. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just fun. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not really fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, bad word for that one. [SPEAKER_01]: But a big deal about this is that it actually works in the beginning. [SPEAKER_01]: It works and it doesn't work. [SPEAKER_01]: It works because they had to reclaim all these planets. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, systems, not even planets. [SPEAKER_01]: Whole systems have to be reclaimed. [SPEAKER_01]: So they are basically crusade part two, but shit here. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And you have to go about retaking all of the stuff back. [SPEAKER_01]: And so Warren logistics is what you're doing. [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is is that the entire time you're letting the social fabric of the Imperium is just a trash fire. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And that opens up. [SPEAKER_01]: It just so bad. [SPEAKER_01]: And then they literally, again, they start pushing this almost immediately to be honest with you. [SPEAKER_01]: They start pushing the fact that the emperor is a god. [SPEAKER_01]: And this already was going on very in the back. [SPEAKER_01]: I say low key. [SPEAKER_01]: It's literally trillions of people. [SPEAKER_00]: Just low key the background trillions of people had done this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let me let you up into that. [SPEAKER_00]: So when the worship of the emperor actually started [SPEAKER_00]: well before the thirty first millennia like really during the crusades has started actually before the war garg even was getting into it this was popping up places and it makes sense if you think about it like if you're on some some planet that spent the last I don't know thousand plus years fighting for survival in the dark the dark and some someone shows up with a bunch of warships [SPEAKER_00]: a dude with a halo over his hands shows up in golden armor the golden armor and all of a sudden all of the things that were trying to kill you are now dead like instantaneous. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like he laughably walked through ninety percent of for some weird reason worshiping that person as a god. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, became real quick. [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty easy job. [SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is we we talk about it. [SPEAKER_01]: We have to go a little bit of love because Lord are [SPEAKER_00]: did promote this is a thing that then he was the biggest salesman of this or the word bearers actually that's the thing the word bearers took it in the world they went to and actually put churches they put you know that's really a giant statues and he was also pretty hardcore about it because he's like you worship the Emperor already murder you [SPEAKER_01]: So they, you were already like, I could, I could, I could worship this guy and he's like, a guy also has a gun bigger than my body and said we will get killed if we don't is like, I'm pretty, I'm probably going to go there. [SPEAKER_01]: What, what days am I supposed to show up? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'll show up. [SPEAKER_00]: When you go into the being, you fall into three categories where people just have like reverence for him. [SPEAKER_00]: They worship him as they like, as a figure like, like, hey, this guy came in and he saved us. [SPEAKER_00]: I like him. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so if you tell him to do something, I'm going to take his word for it because the last time he came through he really helped me out. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it becomes a big, I'm going to go and screw it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to kind of go on a side tangent here. [SPEAKER_01]: You can, I can't be stopped. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going into fifth year of crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Brad's got a tangent. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the way it works. [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the biggest reasons that everything kicks so hard on the empirical call. [SPEAKER_01]: One, it was already low key again, low key and trillions, you know, how does low key try and they'll be deal. [SPEAKER_01]: It's already happening throughout, because the galaxy's just so gigantic. [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot stress again how big the Milky Way is, period, like the imperium side of this. [SPEAKER_01]: Once the emperor is entombed, and knock it or stand, and you set up the high lords of suck. [SPEAKER_01]: Who do all this? [SPEAKER_01]: But the tail gets told, and it spreads, like wildfire through the galaxy, that [SPEAKER_01]: The Emperor fought the gods of chaos and triumphed for us. [SPEAKER_01]: He died for us, and now he is a living, living God, is in tomb, dauntara. [SPEAKER_01]: And that becomes the truth, period. [SPEAKER_01]: like now now and no one's doing anything about this because before the emperor had full doctrine of we are not no religion period now there's no one to tell you that because that's no one's saying to not do that anymore well yeah I think that's where kind of [SPEAKER_00]: this starts to grow, because it's starting to start with reverence. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it moves into just kind of reverence meets fieldy. [SPEAKER_00]: Because the reverence is, hey, this guy has to be just a moose to all do it. [SPEAKER_00]: The next one becomes the, yeah, we kind of owe this person our life. [SPEAKER_00]: Like they like, so whatever, whatever I have to do, I'll do it to form it. [SPEAKER_00]: And also he did just obliterate all of my enemies. [SPEAKER_00]: And like, three seconds, maybe I don't want him mad at me. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, [SPEAKER_00]: bit. [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, that leads the last one. [SPEAKER_00]: It just takes time of religion. [SPEAKER_00]: And so this religion that Brian's discussing comes, they don't, these, they were worshipping him when he was walking around. [SPEAKER_00]: Then to Brad's point, he dies, quote, unquote, a sentence. [SPEAKER_00]: And you're right. [SPEAKER_00]: And now you've got a really good story. [SPEAKER_00]: So they're everywhere. [SPEAKER_00]: And it spreads fast fast. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he has to because [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they also have to give them the counter story. [SPEAKER_01]: There's two things that go with this. [SPEAKER_01]: One, you have to, you don't want people to know about chaos, but you have to say what just happened. [SPEAKER_01]: So you have to say that the emperor basically took, took on all the forces of evil and one period. [SPEAKER_01]: you know, died for you sacrifice themselves sacrifice yourself to defeat them. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way he's doing that without being a supernatural. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a God like being. [SPEAKER_01]: He already is to be honest. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the difference between the emperor and the chaos gods. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not significant. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, as we go on, it is not in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, is that this is spreading really quick. [SPEAKER_01]: But the highlights, effectively, the original origins of the inquisition also have to figure out how are we going to control the masses. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have the infrastructure. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have the logistics. [SPEAKER_01]: How are we doing this? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to do it by the fact that you should be worshiping the emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: And worshiping the Emperor means that here's the things that you need to do because the Emperor is your God. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then you need to keep the popular, the, the, the, the, the, how those are terror as we said, they don't care about this. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't know it matters. [SPEAKER_00]: they're just happy that people have something to do that doesn't involve rebellion. [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll start with the very first one, just a temple of the savior emperor. [SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of the most origin of it all. [SPEAKER_00]: It was on terror. [SPEAKER_00]: And so right big shock. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, big shock. [SPEAKER_00]: Right up there and bird dies, this thing blows up. [SPEAKER_00]: And we say it blows up within about a hundred and twenty seconds. [SPEAKER_01]: Ninety nine percent belief. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, to be fair, to be fair. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, demons just were here like a minute ago. [SPEAKER_01]: You saw them. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you went. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Like things like hell showed up outside your door. [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, well, that's bad. [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's not. [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, how how did we not all die? [SPEAKER_00]: because the emperor, as soon as the emperor quote unquote died, not die where he want to call it, though those demons disappeared. [SPEAKER_00]: They're obviously he did it exactly what's interesting about this one, though, is that because it's on terror, it's not just that they as bread said like ninety nine percent of the population follows it. [SPEAKER_00]: But don't forget, Tara is where all the ships go through. [SPEAKER_00]: So you're now on anyone who leaves Tara, believed in this and is now telling every single word, any every ship captain, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every hook, every latrine guy, every ship about this thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And there's much further. [SPEAKER_01]: And people are like at the time it was also you don't have the negativity and what the imperial turned into, which is not great. [SPEAKER_01]: So you still have these people like from all walks of life that are like, this is what happened. [SPEAKER_01]: But the problem is is that it obviously gets stretched. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: You get when they're telling the stories of William Wallace and Braveheart. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: that this is what happens on a galaxy wide setting of, yeah, let me tell you, I just heard from, and I'm like, elder, human, like, forty, I mean, I would actually miss a humans in forty k have a similar lifespan of humans today. [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's much shorter. [SPEAKER_00]: But technically, in the sense of like, when we think a lot about sci-fi, we think, oh, well, in the future, people live to meet three hundred, four hundred years old. [SPEAKER_00]: No, in forty, they don't. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the space where it's gonna make it longer because of all the organ implants. [SPEAKER_00]: So when we discuss a thousand years, that's just like it is for us a thousand years at a time. [SPEAKER_00]: So this religion blows up and over like nothing years, it gets, it gets your bit. [SPEAKER_01]: But it also gets pretty hardcore because I guess the Lord is a terrorist sucks so much. [SPEAKER_01]: The inquisition sucks so much. [SPEAKER_01]: They start wielding fanatical power almost immediately. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, literally within the first hundred years, you just have [SPEAKER_01]: militant factions of hey do you now worship the imperial called imperial creed oh no cool I will murder everyone there was going to remove you and say see what things that do these guys make in the KGB seem like a cards club they're knitting group because it's it's power and that that is what ends up becoming as we discuss [SPEAKER_00]: the transition of the of the imperial post will call heresy, but that's what it's ever had for an endowment to modern foreign k. It is the collection of power becomes doable, because you're in, but as long as the emperor in Malkudor, exactly, the next year is both were there. [SPEAKER_00]: You really couldn't corrupt your way into power. [SPEAKER_01]: He's also Macadore is the rational person next to the Emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: Because the Emperor was always looking at the endgame and Macadore was like, Hey, man, we still have to like give red to people and like we ships have to flow things have to happen. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I am going to make [SPEAKER_01]: time and space different. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like cool people also need a bullet chili tomorrow. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we have some food. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: And so what happens, but those guys are gone now and there is no one overlooking over it. [SPEAKER_00]: One thing that's also important that I think we should dive into is that the space Marines are obviously the most, they're the most powerful faction within the Imperium, but they are wrapped right now. [SPEAKER_00]: between fighting horse and then pursuing all of all the trade allegiance, rebuilding their gene seed. [SPEAKER_00]: They're absent for a lot of what's better. [SPEAKER_01]: They're absent for a lot of things that happens, but also the newest breeds of space means are now indoctrinated immediately into, well, [SPEAKER_01]: There also a bunch of primaxes aren't around fairly soon. [SPEAKER_01]: And there's no one to tell them not that this isn't. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great, because you're not born a space marine. [SPEAKER_00]: You're born a personal planet. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're born into this, when they shove all the all the implant organs into you, you still have it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's still there. [SPEAKER_01]: So you are still a worshiper of the faith of the emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a big deal. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take the notes and I'm going to bastardize the shit out of them for everyone. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's effectively a bunch of guys grabbing power and using this power to stamp out things which is very easy right after the heirs because you you also got a lot of people to get on board with this you're like how are people on board with this guy wildly doing power grabs [SPEAKER_01]: because they effectively went, if I'm not allowed to do this, this heresy thing will happen again. [SPEAKER_01]: And people are like, well, this suck bad. [SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is, is that you can look at it two ways. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just sad, bad people, graph power, and our terrible other people. [SPEAKER_01]: But you also look at it as the the money Python, life and Brian, which [SPEAKER_01]: is really nice because the upper, try to get rid of religion completely. [SPEAKER_01]: You're not allowed to do this. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the Messiah. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to Messiah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I like this. [SPEAKER_01]: And I will literally pray to you that much harder. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to pray to you till you are. [SPEAKER_01]: In the practice, they literally make him a powerful warp entity by worshiping. [SPEAKER_01]: By worshiping him. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I am definitely not this. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, please stop. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll like, I will pray to you, choices are now that he's not. [SPEAKER_00]: All of this begins growing. [SPEAKER_00]: This religion is growing. [SPEAKER_00]: And there is, in my notes here, I saw the high lords of territory in care, but if I'm being hated, no one in power cared. [SPEAKER_00]: There was no one in power in the beginning. [SPEAKER_00]: They start very soon later. [SPEAKER_00]: They do, but I'm saying, but as this is growing up, there's no one in power in the Imperium who sees this as a threat because none of them know the threat of chaos. [SPEAKER_00]: Probably the great night's do. [SPEAKER_01]: That's also let's put this car in full reverse because we're really jumping the gun because I can't be kept on point because I'm a wild man and [SPEAKER_01]: The full Ecclesiarchy doesn't exist right now. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_01]: This is still more of a smelly. [SPEAKER_01]: It is the fight against Cass, but you don't have, which is the biggest, actually, about people who argue with me on this. [SPEAKER_01]: But the Ecclesiarchy is basically the most powerful or at least the most populous arm eventually of the Imperium. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say, because you can say that all of the regular people are underneath it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. [SPEAKER_00]: The Eclipse Arc reaches further than anyone else. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get into kind of how much power they have and how that change. [SPEAKER_01]: Very shortly. [SPEAKER_01]: So everybody's all the lords are letting this happen because it actually makes their power grabs and their [SPEAKER_01]: You know, doing when I'm supposed to do while I'm grabbing as much personal power as you only possible. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm also, and when I say grabbing as much power as you only possible, we've said this before. [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the Imperium. [SPEAKER_01]: These guys are legitimately going my closest rival, or even some of they could be a rival, lives on this planet. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to either destroy or take the planet and just do it. [SPEAKER_01]: This could be chaos. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this isn't power. [SPEAKER_00]: You're talking people control systems. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're not talking like this guy, just like, I want Romanian under my effect. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I would like multiples that I would the sole system and everything around. [SPEAKER_00]: They are in same power. [SPEAKER_00]: So what ends up happening is about over sixty percent of the galaxy moves into this religion. [SPEAKER_01]: and potentially wildly fast. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they start off fractured and the only kind of over arching belief is the Emperor's a God and we show worship. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, over time, someone says, well, we should organize this. [SPEAKER_00]: So you begin to get the start of the ecclesiarchy, which is an actual organized religion that's probably referring to with. [SPEAKER_00]: set beliefs set this this is how the emperor doesn't look at her was is how we died yada yada and around takes it about millennia and a half [SPEAKER_01]: It's also during this period, a lot of, a lot of plants were already trashed fire. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But a ton of plants got wildly specialized in this time. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: And so you had nightmarish planets where, and this is the kind of like the middle ages and stuff after the plague. [SPEAKER_01]: You had, hey, everything sucks around me. [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, yeah, but at least, yeah, at least we have it. [SPEAKER_00]: At least we have the upper of the same year. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's okay. [SPEAKER_00]: We're doing this because he's going to save us all. [SPEAKER_00]: So blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_00]: I still think it's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: I was having peppers, not dead. [SPEAKER_00]: He's aware of this happening. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Watching and Superman. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, watching this real image and just being in the ground. [SPEAKER_01]: But they become, they become super far and super fast because it's, it's again, the masses. [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, hey, [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a great fighting force, you know, have this, you're like, yeah, but I have unlimited people that are willing to grab a stick and run because the emperor is worth everything. [SPEAKER_01]: I will die for the emperor's the best thing I could do. [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's no surprise that anyone that eventually the clear hierarchy gets large enough that they actually become. [SPEAKER_00]: They get a seat in the highlands up there. [SPEAKER_00]: They are now one of the most powerful organizations in the galaxy. [SPEAKER_01]: And it becomes, it's so wild how fast this becomes because to playcate a lot of these things. [SPEAKER_01]: You start getting temples, chapels, every single, even space means right now. [SPEAKER_01]: You decide this almost immediately. [SPEAKER_01]: You get assigned everything. [SPEAKER_01]: Imperial Guard, especially every ship, every world has a place of worship, and it also has a administer of that worship. [SPEAKER_01]: a guy that's whole job is to make sure that people are worshiping. [SPEAKER_00]: And with consequences, if you are not. [SPEAKER_00]: And so this then gets a lot worse. [SPEAKER_00]: Because what theme in the rise of the Ecclesiarchy is power vacuum. [SPEAKER_00]: Anytime is a power vacuum, the Ecclesiarchy seems to grow. [SPEAKER_00]: and a great way to create a power vacuum is to have half the galaxy go to war with the works. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a few times we won't put works in every episode if I can. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just be, it wasn't intentional, but now it's going to be a game I'm going to play. [SPEAKER_00]: The more the beast occurs and for those who remember our cast or didn't see the cast, the war of the beast [SPEAKER_00]: is such a large walk that terror was actually under threat of an organization. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's also everywhere. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: The entire period is turned on to full military mode to get this stop, this it is the greatest military threat since the heresy. [SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_01]: The host, the only thing that didn't happen, they were able to recover from a significantly faster, just because of the fact that it wasn't corrupted. [SPEAKER_01]: It was just the orcs were just beating things up and destroying them. [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't going, also, you know, now went there. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: And so this is this all goes, but the end of the war, the beast, the space Marines are wrecked. [SPEAKER_00]: The entire Imperium is wrecked. [SPEAKER_00]: And you have an issue where now what do we do? [SPEAKER_00]: And one thing we should touch on, we touch on the texture and the scouring, I think, but we should touch on again now. [SPEAKER_00]: The ish, where the raises the emperor didn't hand the reins, the primarks, is that space marines are a military force. [SPEAKER_01]: They were never supposed to be in charge. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: There's also an argument that he said that he may or may not have been planning to not be super cool with them. [SPEAKER_01]: After their crusades were done. [SPEAKER_00]: He has a little bit of a history of doing that. [SPEAKER_00]: He likes a good thunder warrior purge. [SPEAKER_00]: Quick spoiler alert. [SPEAKER_00]: The current Lord Commander of the Imperium is a former imperial fist in Max and Esthane. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not Gilman. [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to know why, [SPEAKER_00]: That's full room. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's a sneaky guy with several arms. [SPEAKER_01]: It's tough to block all those. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it really nasty sword. [SPEAKER_00]: So the head of the imperial military is a is a former paraphrase who decides, I'm the space where you need to rebuild. [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have time for a really any of the rest of the logistics bullshit. [SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to focus on rebuilding ourselves. [SPEAKER_01]: Which is a big deal on this. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's he wasn't wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: how he goes about it's wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: How about his probably bad. [SPEAKER_00]: But he's something stupid. [SPEAKER_00]: Right, idea was good. [SPEAKER_01]: His idea was good because of the fact that, hey, man, this can happen. [SPEAKER_01]: We have other enemies. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, what happens if our brothers come back out of the war and do things, they were not ready for anything right now. [SPEAKER_00]: And so he decides to pull the entire space marine and military away from terror to go fight the threats before they can get big. [SPEAKER_00]: Good idea. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's not let any more walls happen, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But someone's going to be in charge of terror. [SPEAKER_00]: And he has a buddy and his buddy. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you want to trust someone, the guy you should trust is the guy who's the grandmaster of the auto assassins. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the guys that are literally blanks, can turn in anything they want or infiltrating everywhere. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Just also above all laws. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I forgot to mention that. [SPEAKER_01]: The assassins also are just like, hey, once I get my assignment, I, it doesn't matter how you do. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do this. [SPEAKER_00]: So all of a sudden, [SPEAKER_00]: Tara is being overseen by the head of the assassins. [SPEAKER_00]: Dracon, Lord of God. [SPEAKER_00]: Dracon, Lord of the dead. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Dracon, by Gorbache. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, because he has to be Russian. [SPEAKER_00]: Victor, no, Ben Gorbache. [SPEAKER_00]: Gorbache pretty quickly realized the high Lawrence of Tara. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's not wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: He's completely like they're self-indulger than useless or corrupt. [SPEAKER_00]: They serve their value. [SPEAKER_01]: Hurting the imperial and the new splash. [SPEAKER_01]: Ten thousand straight years. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do a shitty job. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, changes. [SPEAKER_00]: So he's gotten kind of, you know, you look at the situation where the people who are in charge are terrible. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you do? [SPEAKER_00]: Do you write the memo to your buddy or we're only worth it memo to your buddy and over in the imperial office and hey, does anybody about this? [SPEAKER_00]: Do you put a billboards and maybe advertise and try to put the citizen read a hey, let's rise up and get rid of the vote vote of my office or you murder all of them in the night. [SPEAKER_01]: All of them too, all of them. [SPEAKER_01]: They did just murder all of them. [SPEAKER_01]: They also murdered all of them and their supports. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: in one day, then Gorge kills every high load of terror, everyone associate the titles of terror, and then puts new high loads of terror in. [SPEAKER_00]: And I do like this part of the story. [SPEAKER_00]: He does all this takes over for a hundred years, no one even knows. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like, oh, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: And this story gets kind of, this is actually where the story gets a little bit badass. [SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, the imperial fists come wandering back to terror and go, [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, where are the people who were in charge of we love and and goreches. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I killed all of them and and I'm in charge now. [SPEAKER_01]: Should I I'll give a backwards. [SPEAKER_01]: Rogel dorn at least trained his boys because they take on all the other amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: There is no solution, but the kill bank gorge. [SPEAKER_00]: two hundred imperial fists take on over a hundred ever so assassins just ever so not imagine everyone else who has been also the fact is it's not two hundred like neophyte imperial fist they brought the first company they went a game and they fight their way through [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you think about a collectus temple or a vinda care temple, like, of all the temples you could go into that assassin, ever source the one, not my favorite. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_00]: The handy hand guys, also make you insane. [SPEAKER_00]: The make you insane, jump out of nowhere, faster than actually space marines. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those ones. [SPEAKER_00]: So they actually do have to go through all this. [SPEAKER_00]: And the final story is Maximus does. [SPEAKER_00]: He shoots a point blank. [SPEAKER_00]: She's done going to the face. [SPEAKER_00]: He's put with a ball to her. [SPEAKER_00]: If he doesn't know the ball to her, it's not a small pistol. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: He's several in the count. [SPEAKER_00]: So why do we do this random story about this about the assassins killing off the learns of terror on a cast about the imperial cults? [SPEAKER_00]: It's a power vacuum. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's also another, the Ecclesiarchy was already pretty stalks. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And they become, they power it up. [SPEAKER_01]: They took some PDs after this. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly now. [SPEAKER_01]: They had to figure out, well, how are we fixing this? [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, and the Ecclesiarchy was like, we can make this good. [SPEAKER_00]: which they were wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: They were able to extract the population. [SPEAKER_00]: So no one noticed that we just had multiple changes in leadership in a period of about a hundred something years. [SPEAKER_00]: And did all the assassins just die? [SPEAKER_00]: No about the assassins. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really following this, but this got weird. [SPEAKER_00]: Because the one thing that the Imperium really tries to avoid is conflict on terror. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a bad thing for the impereent. [SPEAKER_00]: Conflict on random world, you know, one for a queue who cares. [SPEAKER_00]: But terrorists agree the place. [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to laugh. [SPEAKER_01]: What's terrorism that, but it's also the fact that everything goes back to terror and they are all powerful because that's the seat of the god emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's nothing can happen there, duh, our deity lives there. [SPEAKER_00]: So super power vacuum occurs. [SPEAKER_00]: And Clezzyarchy steps up. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll smooth it over. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about it. [SPEAKER_00]: I got this. [SPEAKER_00]: But in doing so, you kind of owe us a favor. [SPEAKER_00]: And that favor is going to be, I need you to look the other way while we continue [SPEAKER_00]: to grow and grow and gain power and gain influence. [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, if we ask you to do something, you're going to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: This also, it gets pretty weird at this point in time, too, because this is when we really got dark ages. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: No, because we except for Mars, even some on Mars, we weren't, they were losing the ability to use technology during these first few thousand years. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I forgot about that. [SPEAKER_01]: Because of the fact that you were a heretic, if you just didn't believe in the divine might of the Emperor, so they were just losing technology, because you said prayers and did incense and the push start. [SPEAKER_01]: There's an entire, I can't even remember what codex it is, when they, it's a long story where they explain all the rights and then you push the start button on the land right. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you do. [SPEAKER_01]: And you required two priests, incense, blessings, and then you, you push the rent. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the button that says go, yeah, that goes, but you're not in that order. [SPEAKER_01]: Correct. [SPEAKER_01]: Then it's, you are a parent taking what you're sure you're in, but also more and more besides losing technology, which we did. [SPEAKER_01]: We're also the ecclesiarchy is tendrils in everywhere. [SPEAKER_01]: They are in every, because it's a real thing. [SPEAKER_01]: If you just dig or there's a religious guy that's in charge of your shift to make sure people aren't [SPEAKER_01]: talking bad about the empire. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to, we have to sing songs at the emperor while digging your own. [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy time. [SPEAKER_00]: How big this is getting. [SPEAKER_01]: And it got big. [SPEAKER_01]: By say, fast, this is over. [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about two thousand years. [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a huge history here. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's two thousand years. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know the number of people. [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking, there are over a million worlds. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing to remember. [SPEAKER_00]: There's over a million worlds in the Imperium. [SPEAKER_00]: And when we say, grow, we're going, we're talking about going from something like every city in town. [SPEAKER_00]: had some sort of church is where it starts at. [SPEAKER_00]: To then that church becomes a cathedral, and also about every ship has ones, every ship that I think. [SPEAKER_00]: I tell eventually you actually get Brian World. [SPEAKER_01]: And try and worlds are crazy because [SPEAKER_01]: They're not sure they, well, they became places of teaching and where you wouldn't get, you know, new preachers do whatever his new chaplain is even, you know, I mean, but you would also get, this is makeup. [SPEAKER_01]: This is where people would travel from the galaxy to go to these places. [SPEAKER_00]: Because the strong worlds were places that a horrible miracle happened. [SPEAKER_00]: So, not really clear what those can be. [SPEAKER_00]: Most of them use you consist of someone fighting an epic battle they were overnumbered in. [SPEAKER_00]: So, basically, every GW book, the entirety of Black Library. [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, I agree for that. [SPEAKER_00]: Someone's, I'm gonna dig it of common. [SPEAKER_00]: I actually like Black Library, but there is certain tropes that use a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: These worlds become so big that people begin moving to them. [SPEAKER_00]: There are stories of worlds collapsing because of this, because so many pilgrims come to it, they actually ride a food. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they don't have the reasons. [SPEAKER_00]: They have a structure or logistics to care for any of these people. [SPEAKER_00]: And so these shrine worlds open up everywhere. [SPEAKER_00]: And the shrine worlds time out really well to actually help create something the Ecclesiarchy needed, which is a sub government of their own. [SPEAKER_00]: They needed the other declisiarchy did not want to be beholden to the guards of terror and the rules of terror. [SPEAKER_00]: So they start making their own organization. [SPEAKER_00]: These shrine worlds become their little seats of powers where their cardinals. [SPEAKER_01]: They also are gathering their own forces. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is already happening and becomes a big deal. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and very soon, and I say very soon, I mean a few thousand years. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: As this Ecclesiarchy grows, the regional baby get their own. [SPEAKER_00]: Now you've got affected the two governments running the imperial. [SPEAKER_00]: We've got the Ecclesiarchy who are the religious and the high lords of terror who are the true authoritarians. [SPEAKER_00]: And they both suck. [SPEAKER_00]: So much, like it is as an imperial citizen, you're in a bad spot, because not only do they both have a lot of arbitrary rules you have to follow, they both instill their own tax code that you have to pay into. [SPEAKER_01]: It is not. [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, whoa, whoa. [SPEAKER_01]: John made it sound like it was just annoying taxes like we have right now. [SPEAKER_01]: Taxes weren't just taxes, taxes were monies. [SPEAKER_01]: Taxes were people. [SPEAKER_01]: resource. [SPEAKER_01]: This was a currency. [SPEAKER_01]: This was like we needed water. [SPEAKER_01]: So we just took all the lakes on your planet like the like stuff that that's a real thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is a real thing of the second all the water off the planet because they had to go somewhere and they needed water. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they just stopped and you're just like sorry about your shitty dead planet later. [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is a real thing. [SPEAKER_00]: It's obviously leads into some kind of problems. [SPEAKER_00]: Despite all this, it's going on. [SPEAKER_00]: We're seeing there actually pops out of nowhere a new religion. [SPEAKER_00]: And this was, and this I'm foreshadowed here because it's got to be really important later. [SPEAKER_00]: But a new religion pops up called the Confederation of Light. [SPEAKER_00]: Confederation of Light is, it starts off as a nothing story. [SPEAKER_00]: It's one planet worshiping the Emperor, but in a positive sense, not in this like you need to give your life for the Emperor. [SPEAKER_00]: It's more like the Emperor was a good person. [SPEAKER_00]: We should strive to be good people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_00]: Unless you're Zenos, then we should shoot. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I told you to see those in the face. [SPEAKER_00]: What's funny about the Confederacy of Light, the story of the Confederacy of Light, you discover the incredible power of the Ecclesiarchy? [SPEAKER_00]: Because the Ecclesiarchy, it turns out this has been happening all the time, but they would just infiltrate their religion and just turn them and say, you know, either kill them or they could kill them or convince them to go the other way. [SPEAKER_00]: The Confederacy of Light, we're in the second. [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't quite [SPEAKER_00]: go the way that they put that they'd hope it would. [SPEAKER_00]: Except for the fact that they just should get crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: This takes us pretty far in. [SPEAKER_01]: We get into thirty six million and five five G five thousand years after, you know, the Americans and two on the golden throne, things got pretty crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: Because we have what became the age of apostate and pretty sure you just put your dad, but that's okay. [SPEAKER_01]: the, we have the period I'm heavy handed at, I mean, have they ever, yeah, like touched anything? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have a parent, but they always do exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually going to this. [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the, yeah, I'll give you this, because I'm going to take it off the rails. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to let you streamline, it's just a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the Confederacy of like, what ends up happening with the Confederacy of like is really an eye-opening experience for the administrative of the, of the, of the, of the, of the power of the ecclesiarchy has. [SPEAKER_00]: So the ecclesiarchy first tries to infiltrate the Confederacy of light. [SPEAKER_00]: Can't do it. [SPEAKER_00]: They sent assassins to go kill the head of the Confederacy of light. [SPEAKER_00]: And he had a converting them all to his to his cause. [SPEAKER_00]: And so they get fed up. [SPEAKER_00]: and they order the imperial guard to the planet and to bomb them and remove the confederacy of life. [SPEAKER_00]: This is not, I mean, yes, they have a seat in the high of the high loads of there, but they're not. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't run the imperial. [SPEAKER_00]: They just wiped out a planet because they didn't agree with them. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not ideal. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, not just didn't agree with them. [SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't grabbing power. [SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't doing anything. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And they were just, they were just living there and they went and wrecked them. [SPEAKER_00]: So this becomes a huge problem for the administrative and they realize it's time to do something about the ecclesia. [SPEAKER_00]: They realized the best, but the problem they're going to run into is the ecclesia case still has the entire citizen. [SPEAKER_00]: So how do you kill someone or take over something that's incredibly popular? [SPEAKER_00]: You can make it kind of feckless. [SPEAKER_00]: So they decide what if we just made it so everyone who's in charge of the ecclesiarchy is kind of an idiot. [SPEAKER_01]: True story? [SPEAKER_00]: Which they do because that that by mid sense at the time. [SPEAKER_00]: They basically ran a dirty campaign to make them all useless. [SPEAKER_00]: This ends with an error. [SPEAKER_00]: They call the rain of blood not rain in blood for all of the slayer fans out there. [SPEAKER_00]: But the rain of blood. [SPEAKER_01]: He literally instantly kills the Ecclesiarchies scene on the Highlers of Terra and just doesn't kill it and like say it's no more. [SPEAKER_01]: Kill them and just said it's mine. [SPEAKER_00]: The thing was Gorge Vendier, and he is, I do like this that this great evil character was the head of the administrative. [SPEAKER_01]: He just, again, he is a pencil pusher with a pencil pusher. [SPEAKER_01]: He basically would, I have absolutely [SPEAKER_01]: No ability to enforce anything. [SPEAKER_01]: I need an army. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, these guys have an army. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just make it my army. [SPEAKER_00]: It's where he comes in. [SPEAKER_00]: Kills all the heads of the Ecclesiarchy takes it over. [SPEAKER_00]: Also does some pretty cool stuff to the admission telepathic. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a side note. [SPEAKER_00]: and takes complete control of these two groups, which is going to lead us to cut another very fun origin story here. [SPEAKER_01]: Also a super badass story later on. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that story is going to, it's going to be really cool, pretty soon. [SPEAKER_00]: he found out that there was an all female warrior group on someone. [SPEAKER_00]: And Brad, are you seeing my notes of my getting mad at you again? [SPEAKER_00]: Cause it's not even like they tried, did not steal the store of the Valkyries. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a hundred percent. [SPEAKER_00]: It is what, yep, let's just copy and paste this. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I save us some writing. [SPEAKER_00]: Why not? [SPEAKER_00]: So he goes and takes us all female fighting force and re-names them the brides of the emperor. [SPEAKER_00]: And they are his own personal military and bodyguards. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's saying, well, hey, isn't there in Forty Kay and all female fighting force? [SPEAKER_00]: You may have figured out where this is going to go, but don't worry. [SPEAKER_00]: The journey's really is going to be better than destination. [SPEAKER_01]: So the brides become his personal bodyguards. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And he literally buys off and or kills off everyone. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he becomes the at one point in time. [SPEAKER_01]: He's just the most powerful person. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just single handedly because he just has everybody murdered and he's telling his [SPEAKER_01]: Brides of the Emperor, the Valkyries, that all of the, I've heard the mission. [SPEAKER_01]: He's effectively tells them that he can communicate with the Emperor. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: And he is giving them holy missions because they are zealots like no one's ever been a zealot. [SPEAKER_01]: They are hard core for the emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: They worship as the emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: And so he anything he tells him because he is the prophet of the emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: He can speak with the emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: He knows with the emperor once. [SPEAKER_01]: So anything that he says to do, that is their direct connection to the emperor. [SPEAKER_00]: And they start ruining people. [SPEAKER_00]: In a couple, we've skipped some elements of this story because I just found them kind of boring. [SPEAKER_00]: I knew I could cover them in about thirty seconds by doing this. [SPEAKER_00]: At one point, the Ecclesiarchy left Terra. [SPEAKER_00]: It was actually a station off of Terra. [SPEAKER_00]: Vendier moves it back to Terra. [SPEAKER_00]: So it is back on Terra becomes the largest church. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how you get important for a minute. [SPEAKER_00]: But we had to jump now to something we talked about earlier and get back into it. [SPEAKER_00]: Where are the spacemarts and the AdMAC? [SPEAKER_00]: Or the custodes, those are a thing. [SPEAKER_00]: At the time, they were still not allowed to leave here. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: The custodes are all stuck around the Emperor. [SPEAKER_00]: The spacemarines are out there rebuilding their factions, fighting Zenos and issues. [SPEAKER_00]: And AdMAC are just doing AdMAC stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: But give you space means the props, though. [SPEAKER_01]: Everything that's going on now doesn't actually affect what they're doing. [SPEAKER_01]: So why would I give a shit, you know, you guys are squabbling again. [SPEAKER_01]: This has happened several times. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why he's only allowed to have a girl fighting for us, by the way, because because there was another group of people that had taken the Ecclesiarchy and used it until they weren't allowed to have a standing army. [SPEAKER_01]: of men of men, but that's the thing is the space screens are now dealing with a lot of different things, chaos incursions. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're in the black crusades now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, black crusades. [SPEAKER_00]: I believe the first tier and it's a, I've hit the, I've hit the galaxy balls on three six. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You've got, you've got serious stuff going on. [SPEAKER_01]: The Imperium has like, we are fighting for the fate of the Imperium, and you get these calls of the lords of terror fighting over stuff again. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're just like, I did, I didn't know it. [SPEAKER_01]: This means nothing to me. [SPEAKER_01]: Am I still getting logistics and resources? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't care if Ted, Phil, or anyone else is in charge. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't care. [SPEAKER_00]: The other thing, too, is as powerful as the high loads of terror in Ben, you know, as guys were, they didn't want to mess with the space phrase. [SPEAKER_00]: So the space means had their own sections of the galaxy, depending on what chapter you were, you know, you didn't have a different part of the galaxy. [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't mess with those. [SPEAKER_01]: And also, when they, when they asked for something with which the space phrase don't really ask, they just tell you that they need something. [SPEAKER_01]: I need this here now. [SPEAKER_01]: They just send it to them and they just kind of leave you alone because they are fighting in all of the hot sounds. [SPEAKER_01]: They don't need it. [SPEAKER_01]: They're not coming back to the core, which, by the way, is for them, perfectly fine. [SPEAKER_01]: No one is evading there, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Cool. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to be here. [SPEAKER_00]: There's not a threat there, but there's, we think there might be a law forming over this northern, the northwestern part of the galaxy. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go up there. [SPEAKER_01]: They just don't care about inner conflict and the thing is, is that [SPEAKER_01]: The Marines except for my salad mandus are kind of dicks. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're like, hey, man, a couple of worlds got killed. [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, cool man. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, was it by an external force? [SPEAKER_01]: No, they'll figure it out. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, all we would is dark out there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Is it someone that I have to fight? [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just us beating each other up again. [SPEAKER_01]: Cool. [SPEAKER_01]: We're terribly each other. [SPEAKER_01]: Move on. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably going to put the show notes today's cast brought to you by foreshadowing. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything we've been doing comes back around. [SPEAKER_00]: So as we said before, [SPEAKER_00]: The Ecclesiarchy used the Astramilitarum to keep the wipe out the Confederacy of Light, except they didn't. [SPEAKER_00]: There was still some left. [SPEAKER_00]: And as especially when someone is bad as Vendier gets in power, the Confederacy of Light explodes up and get at a nowhere. [SPEAKER_00]: And there was actually one leader named Sebastian Thor. [SPEAKER_00]: His name does matter because, again, this whole episode. [SPEAKER_00]: It's my foreshadowing. [SPEAKER_00]: This is so boss mode, what happens? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is coalition. [SPEAKER_00]: This is great. [SPEAKER_00]: Sebastian Thor just keeps gaining more and more and more power. [SPEAKER_01]: He literally goes on, woody, network TV. [SPEAKER_01]: And goes, this dude's a douche, and I'll punch him in the face if I see him. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, across the galaxy, he's on the news going, you should bring your weak shit. [SPEAKER_00]: And so that deer, of course, tries to have him killed and just keeps failing every time. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then every time he fails, he again has a broadcast. [SPEAKER_01]: This, I forget what he calls him, actually. [SPEAKER_01]: He calls him a false. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. [SPEAKER_01]: My apologies, everyone. [SPEAKER_01]: But there's an actual term. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a big thing on this, because he starts getting more and more people to combat his forces. [SPEAKER_01]: Because he has wildly corrupt, by the way. [SPEAKER_01]: This guy literally made colligulate look like he was a normal dude living his life. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit seduced and Thor starts saying, effectively says, I'm going to go take this guy on. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where. [SPEAKER_00]: the ad meck and the space marines. [SPEAKER_00]: Say yeah, we're with we're actually with this guy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this guy's affected well, the thing is he started being so corrupt that his corruption started messing with supply lines and stuff because he was doing dumb shit. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's when you get people to notice. [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, Hey, man, you can do weird shit as long as it doesn't affect the day-to-day life of people that are doing the real fighting. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, Hey, man, we didn't get our stuff because this dudes doing weird, narrow, collegue with things. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, man, no, can someone do something about this? [SPEAKER_00]: And the power of this that gets really cool that I live is Vendier sees a space brings up turned on him. [SPEAKER_00]: The admin turned on him and says, well, screw you, come get me and actually tells his forces to go attack the space brings to which they promptly do not do. [SPEAKER_00]: Because that is, this is bad. [SPEAKER_00]: But they still are willing to keep them away. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So they still, and they controlled terror. [SPEAKER_00]: So now we're going to get to a pretty, where I think is a solidly badass story. [SPEAKER_00]: We think Brad. [SPEAKER_01]: This is so awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: So again, the, the brothers and the emperor of the actors again are wildly, they are [SPEAKER_01]: They are so hardcore. [SPEAKER_01]: They told others that you guys are pretty lacks about your beliefs. [SPEAKER_00]: You're low at the Emperor's adorable. [SPEAKER_00]: Watch this. [SPEAKER_01]: So they, they're also getting special powers. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: They've worshiped so much of the warp that they are actually getting super powers from worship. [SPEAKER_01]: And I can only imagine that he's like, this is not happening. [SPEAKER_01]: Stop, stop it. [SPEAKER_01]: So space means approach to custodes. [SPEAKER_01]: And while what's going to happen, the custodes basically boss mode in as they always do. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry guys, custodes are amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's dive into them a little bit because it's kind of a pulse out. [SPEAKER_00]: The custodes are not only having not left or the custodes exist entirely within the template temple around the emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: which, by the way, isn't like, but fifty by fifty building. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, it's the United States, the percentage of the planet. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where these guys, the custodians are all sitting there. [SPEAKER_00]: They actually don't know what goes on outside their walls. [SPEAKER_00]: All they care about is emperorsate, emperorsate, emperorsate. [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's all the directives says. [SPEAKER_00]: They get a message in the space marine saying, hey, we've got a problem on terror. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not even just a problem. [SPEAKER_01]: And they also, I think the bigger turning point is they get told also that this guy has been saying that he's been communicating with the emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: And they go, no, it has not. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_01]: He is, I'm looking at my, my slate of people that are going to talk to the emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: Zero. [SPEAKER_01]: Cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Not that guy. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the custodians decide what we've got to plan and their plan is simply we're going to go turn the brides of the emperor around and then the space meeting of kill has been it's also a buck wild ballsy plan they're like what's your plan will just teleport in the middle of his forces and just figure it out have a chat [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, let's just do this. [SPEAKER_01]: And they, they do that. [SPEAKER_00]: And what they explained to the brides of the emperor, that vendier is a false prophet. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, we will fight you. [SPEAKER_01]: And the custodians gave them the thing, too. [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, we will just ruin you guys. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, again, custodians make space-marines look like little kids. [SPEAKER_00]: Like custodians. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh God. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So they're not in the game. [SPEAKER_00]: They're useless in the game. [SPEAKER_01]: But in the same of the stories, they were like, just to like, one guy is like swarming through like, saw around through Marines. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But these guys, they literally come up and they just tell them, come with us, we will, we'll take you to your God and they take their leader and personally goes to the golden throne. [SPEAKER_01]: And we don't know what happens after that. [SPEAKER_01]: But she communicates with, she goes to the throne, communicates with the emperor. [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever was said, because again, the emperor is a shattered psyche that is literally to the emperor's credit. [SPEAKER_01]: He's powering up you, yo style during it. [SPEAKER_01]: But he's also, he's got a busy day. [SPEAKER_01]: He's run in the ester monocone and fighting against all chaos incursion because we had some stuff in the basement that was kind of resolved. [SPEAKER_01]: and he's kind of doing the thing that originally was not a thing and he's kind of fighting a war against chaos personally. [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got a busy day every day. [SPEAKER_01]: So whatever part of the psyche talked to her, she comes out [SPEAKER_01]: And wow, she is not so bad. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like so mad. [SPEAKER_01]: She clean up. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to go with my white woke. [SPEAKER_01]: She was playing somewhere over. [SPEAKER_01]: She went ten points in rage. [SPEAKER_01]: She was not not not happy. [SPEAKER_01]: And she, they don't even just kill him. [SPEAKER_00]: They ruin that guy. [SPEAKER_00]: She goes into the throne chamber of vendier and [SPEAKER_00]: Duten murders, just rips him to shreds. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Like wow. [SPEAKER_00]: And that is where the sisters are battle come from. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: That's them. [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually, they can really reformed it. [SPEAKER_01]: And these are the most fervent loyal sisters. [SPEAKER_01]: Sisters legitimately get, again, they get powers. [SPEAKER_01]: They are effectively powered by their deity. [SPEAKER_00]: They're faith in the Emperor, actually, increases their toughness, they're sick. [SPEAKER_00]: They actually become, in times can become immortal. [SPEAKER_00]: They have saints. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: They're, they, sorry, everyone's, they're totally different. [SPEAKER_00]: They're totally different. [SPEAKER_00]: Their saints are totally demons. [SPEAKER_00]: They're demons, but they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're demons. [SPEAKER_01]: They're powered by warp powers because [SPEAKER_01]: This is still the best because you know he's he's getting it's easier to power to fight chaos because he's now powered completely by their prayers because of warp energy. [SPEAKER_01]: So the Emperor became exactly what he told everybody not to do and he's wildly more powerful. [SPEAKER_00]: He created his back loop by accident and now he's he's one of the burgeoning kids. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from here, the rest of the story is pretty quick. [SPEAKER_00]: Sebastian Thor obviously has one. [SPEAKER_00]: So now that he has one, he actually, he ascends the power and actually does reform the church back to fully worshiping the God and birth. [SPEAKER_00]: What we he reforms the church to make it better as it make it great, but it's better than it was. [SPEAKER_01]: It's better, but it becomes weirdly enough stricter. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which leads us to penitent engines and things like things got real grim after. [SPEAKER_01]: But they were just like, we will weed out heretics harder than we were before. [SPEAKER_01]: So even though he's fixing things, it also has usual lead to things getting even shinier. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a battle become the military wing of this church. [SPEAKER_00]: And the church becomes much more structured, organized. [SPEAKER_00]: What this also does though is it creates the auto malice, which is how we started this cast, which is the inquisition. [SPEAKER_00]: This is going to this gives them the power to become what we, the modern version in forty. [SPEAKER_00]: They needed all of this strife because what the inquisition was originally focused on was simply the eradication of chaos. [SPEAKER_00]: And as we said, there was no direction there. [SPEAKER_00]: They were just trying to kind of find chaos. [SPEAKER_01]: You also didn't even know what it was. [SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of people didn't even know what it was. [SPEAKER_00]: Now they become the eradication of [SPEAKER_00]: people like Van Deere. [SPEAKER_00]: It wore not technically chaos, but they are considered their heretics. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: And so now we're getting more into that. [SPEAKER_00]: So from that point, I think we're going to stop here. [SPEAKER_00]: And next week, we'll dive into the actual inquis, all the layers of the inquisition and how they begin the function. [SPEAKER_01]: What does Zino say? [SPEAKER_00]: Zino's order of malice and kind of get more into that. [SPEAKER_00]: With that, though, again, [SPEAKER_00]: join our discord. [SPEAKER_00]: Please come to our web page, the forty klorcast.com. [SPEAKER_00]: The discord is growing quite rapidly. [SPEAKER_01]: And this is growing rapidly. [SPEAKER_01]: We are in our page infancy. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have so much more stuff. 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