A Paradise Built in Hell: Upekkhā & the Buddhist Response to Political Panic | Ajahn Nisabho
In this talk, Ajahh Nisabho speaks to how we can approach the political upheavals of the modern world with loving-kindness.
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Please sudden. So, how is everyone feeling about the state of politics in the world today? Let's get a little uh let's get a little show of hands. Okay. Okay. Any uh any words to place to your feelings? Just raise your hand and speak. No political names, please, but just adjectives or nouns. Discouragement. Okay. >> What? >> Inhumane. >> Chaos. >> What was that? >> Afraid. Afraid. Okay. >> Disgusted. >> Deep sadness. That's quite a montage. I think we got the picture. So, um, I wanted to speak about how a a Buddhist approach to political fear, panic, the world, and who watched our interview with uh, Roshi Joan Halifax last Wednesday? Yeah, it's quite something. And does anyone remember her speaking about Ticknot Han in that where she spoke about going on a protest walk with Ticknot Han and how the crowd was agitated and angry. And she said, "Ticknot Han maintained a turtlike momentum and how his quiet rippled out through the hundreds of people around him and downregulated everyone's movements into a place of more calm. And when you touch this lineage, we have to realize that what we're touching in these teachings is a thread that has gone back through monks being beaten by the red guard uh to try to make them disrobe in Mauist China and just repeating the word Amitaba, you know, the bodhic sappa of compassion. We have to realize we're touching a lineage which has stretched back through times of famine and war where a few monastics um managed to keep the teachings alive deep in the jungle or alone. We have to realize we're touching a lineage which has its wellspring in the Buddha's time when kingdoms were waring with each other and uh there's famine, massacre, child mortality around 50% probably when the Buddha's one of his most prominent disciples, King Bimbasara was uh murdered by his son and then years later the Buddha's uh his this son uh this king Bimsar's son King Ajatasatu came to the Buddha and the Buddha taught him and in the end king Ajitasatu said I've uh done something wrong I've killed my father a good man and the Buddha said one who acknowledges fault and determines restraint in the future grows in the dharma. And in the end, King Ajatasatu was the sponsor of the first Buddhist council, which may be the reason we have any of these teachings now, that there's no place in Buddhism beyond redemption. And there's a great suta called the anger eating demon suta. Who here has heard of this discourse? Okay. So in it we have Saka and this moves into the realm of the mythological um and cosmological but there's deep symbolism here and wisdom whether or not you take these things as literal uh with the mythology it can uh be on the edge at times of depending on if it's authentically the Buddha's words or not. But in this discourse, Saka, the king of the gods, who is the equivalent of Zeus in the Tavatingsa realm, uh, finds that his throne has been taken over by a little anger- eating demon, Yaka, and all the other gods mumble and complain. Isn't it, isn't it extremely marvelous? Isn't it strange? This angry eatating demon has sat on the throne of Saka, king of the gods. And as they complain and criticize, the anger eating demon becomes more and more beautiful and strong and large until finally alarmed that this isn't going exactly the way they would have hoped, the gods find Saka and tell him what's happened. And he says, "Oh, this is an anger- eating demon." And he comes to the throne room and goes down on a knee, his knee, and makes his an hands an anuli and says, "I am Saka, king of the gods. I am Saka, king of the gods. I am Saka, king of the gods." Three times. And this is a gesture of um it's a respectful greeting. And the anger- eating demon uh gets smaller and smaller and eventually dissolves away. And Saka sits on his throne and says, "For the sake of my own well-being, I do not give into anger. I am one who angers slowly and where anger is given up quickly." The Buddha says there's three kinds of mind. There's a mind like stone where anger gets etched in and won't leave. There's a mind like sand where one is quick to anger, the line is quick to be drawn in the sand. But just as the wind dissolves it quickly, even so the anger disappears. And there's one like a mind like water where almost as soon as they become angry the anger dissolves. And there's as with all these images there's such wisdom in the fact that what Saka does what Saka does is not give in but first he touches ground. He lowers himself, one knee on the earth. And those of you who know the pose of Guin, uh, where she has one leg crossed in meditation and one foot, one toe touching the ground. This mix between meditation and action. This is the pose of one knee lowered to the ground and one foot uh, raised going to one knee. And then he says his name. And this is important because it means that what we can do is reaffirm where we stand in regards to this world with its moving currents and alarms and uh ups and downs. Remembering that refuge lies in how we conduct ourselves in relation to it. And there's a term yoniso manosikara which means appropriate attention. It's a key term in Buddhism because in Buddhist thought the act of giving attention energizes what you give attention to. Whether it be the anger eating demon or your own anger, your own doubt, your own fear. What we turn the eyes the gaze to grows stronger from it and that within ourselves gets fed or starved depending. Hegel said that evil lies in the gaze that sees evil all around and with yon so manicara manicara means action of the mind attention and yoni is womb. So this attention is the womb of good or negative qualities. Where do we give our gaze? How easily do we forget the bright garden our hands work in? For the whispers of a serpent. And this is not to say that there are not things deeply wrong with the world that need addressing. And this is a caveat to frame this whole discussion with. There's ways to take action that are beautiful and right. But can we keep one knee on the ground the whole time? Can we keep our hands in anulie the whole time? Can we not forget the good that surrounds us as well? And can we operate not from a place of anger but from a place of love from the four Brahma viharas, the boundless abodess, the mature emotions. There's a BBC special I reference sometimes where they asked a bunch of world leaders if there was any place for anger. And the Daly Lama was the only one who said no. There's never a place to express anger. And it's not that anger can't be an important messenger at times. Sometimes it carries something with it that you need to hear. Justice, a sense of something needs to be addressed. But you don't have to put up the messenger in your house. When you think of those figures through history that have resonated in your heart and in the hearts of everyone around you, Nelson Mandela, Ticknot Han, Mother Teresa, the Dalai Lama. It's not because they carried anger in them. It's because they acted from love and had a taproot from the mundane world of politic and vicissitudes of famine and war and crisis into the deeper strat strata of the stratter the deeper strata of the arctipple of love and of a resonance which echoes out. Many of you have seen the walk for monks or walk for peace uh from the monks down south. And why is it that that image has made its way throughout the US where whole communities are gathering in the street to walk with those monks for peace. And Ajin Sona was asked about this yesterday when he was teaching a high school class of anthropology. And he said, "As a monk, every step I take every day is a walk for peace. There are no small actions. The Buddha looked out on the world and he saw the most powerful route we could move through it and to live a Buddhist life, developing the noble eight-fold path, cleansing the mind and heart of defilement so that one can be selfless and give and radiate something new into the world. This is the most powerful way we can echo impact and care and how we can truly make a difference. And it comes from love every time. There's a part of the vineia, the monastic code that says we cannot admonish another monk unless we are doing so from a place of love and goodwill. And I know one monk who's had to wait a whole year before he could fulfill that one stipulation. But what would it mean to interact in the movements and protests things of this nature in the same manner to move into the spaces only when you can do it without a sliver of anger in your heart? Because it is possible to do that. There's an interesting resonance or difference between the word protest and the word vigil. Maybe neither of them gets at the full scope, but what would it mean to move into these spaces with the deeper taproot into the nature of a vigil and to consider your whole life one of those? We were having a retreat in Winthrop and we were all out walking meditation on the road and a guy pulled up in a truck and he said, "Are you all protesting something?" And I thought, you know, we kind of are. Yeah. Yes. But love and the Buddha mentioning that even if bandits were to saw you limb from limb with a two-handled saw, those among you who gave rise to a single thought of ill will not be doing my bidding. It's quite a bar. And that means that there's never a place for anger. Always love is what resonates out. Ticknot Han walking in that protest. Do you think he resonated out because there was contempt or annoyance or do you think it was because he was moving from that place of love compassion to look the second Brahma vihara after meta it's a bright mind state and to use it in two ways one that sometimes the difficulties we see with the people in the world around us. The sufferings we perceive in the news. For some of us, it can feel a bit it's not something you just get to put aside. It's front and center in your heart. What happens if you lean into that wind in a wholesome way and let it be your doorway to understanding the suffering of all beings? The Buddha's wisdom in beginning the four noble truths, his seinal teaching with shared dooka, suffering, this human condition that links us all. In Thailand, monks will and monastics will welcome people to the monastery saying, "Welcome brothers and sisters in birth, aging, and death." And what would it mean to allow each invocation of that to be a way your heart could open to the greater need of the world? People suffer so much. And what would it mean to be able to move into this world with an inner resource cultivated through practice, through the bright chitta, the heart through morality, where you're able to give the gift of a heart free of defilement, of true selflessness, of liberative love. Walking towards an ocean as each cup cracks behind you, spilling its little bit of water. where each piece of suffering you see can actually be an invocation of a deeper route to compassion. People called Roomie, the Sufi poet, a river drawing the ocean behind him. What would it mean to be a river drawing the ocean behind you? Where you find your way to that deeper compassion? It's there if held correctly. And once again, compassion is a problematic term in the English language because it can have connotations of empathetic distress, of darkness. But in the Buddhist thought, karuna, compassion is always a bright, luminous mind state. The word for the dark mind is dominas. It's always unh wholesome. You want your nurses and your doctors to be happy, smiling, laughing with you. This is how we bring joy to the world. And what would it also mean to look at those who are doing harm in the world with compassion, understanding the suffering that they are in and are bringing to themselves into the future. The Buddha said you should look at a person who is unh wholesome in bodily action and speech and without moments of clarity as you would look at a wanderer traveling a traveler lost in the desert without companion starving thinking may they not come to harm may they be helped may they not come to harm may they be helped and if you can't quite wish worldly happiness on such people right know what would it mean just to wish them may they have the happiness of non-hatred may they find the peace of non- greed and then Ajin Sona says if you can't spread meta to someone spread it to their chair so and finally to not bring them to mind that's an okay thing to do in the Buddhist teaching is not bring someone to mind for a while write their name on a piece of paper put it in an envelope tuck it in a drawer and determine that after 3 months you'll take it out And if you're able to look at that name and maintain a wholesome state of mind, then you can. But you know, how can we do this with the news? And what does it mean to stay informed? How many times a day do we have to look at the phone? No news before noon or at least no news before practice. One day a week without it at least. And if you want to go even farther, you can pull back quite a bit and still know where you can make a difference. As practitioners, we have a duty now to protect our own hearts as well because this is what the Buddha said is the greatest gift we can give and to not forget that. Muda rejoicing the third Brahma vihara of the boat of loving kindness and just the sense that when things get dark this is how many times in our lives have we been through crisis which initiated awakening and who's to say it's different for the world to see what is coalesing in even amidst difficulty look at around you right now there's a book by Rebecca Snit called a paradise belt built in hell. Who's read this? It's about how during these times of crisis, the carpet bombings in England, the seas of Sievo, people found a nobility of spirit which was truly precious and rare. And I have friends now who think, is it worth bringing a a child into the world in this day and age? And I'm so not the person to talk about that as a celibate monk. But but I think back to my grandparents generation, the greatest generation with great uh material prosperity and I also understand that for many of them they did not have the emotional tools we have. They did not have the dharma and many of them I knew at least were emotionally really unable to grow and fulfill their heart in the way that I wish they would have been able to. And so what a chance for a noble life we have right now to do something truly extraordinary in the midst of great difficulty by holding this thread of dharma in a time that needs it so desperately to hold this light aloft the chance to live a noble life now is as great or as it's ever been and we have access to these teachings we have access to these teachings that is rare in the mix of samsara we have the chance to do something amazing and precious. And to know that refuge does not think is not lie in thinking the city will never burn. It lies in knowing that if it did, you would never compromise your virtue and your care, your love of this path for that that you would care for those who need be need to be cared for. There's another mythological flourish in the commentaries. This isn't the word of the Buddha, but it's interesting where they say the world cycles end often in fire and violence and then all the people go to hell after that because they've all been fighting. But every now and again it'll end from sickness and everyone will go to heaven in those ones because they'll all care for each other till the end. I'm hoping that's not, you know, a literal thing here right now. But but what does that do for the heart to know something in our hearts knows this is a precarious situation. Samsara is samsara. It's never going to be perfect. It is a disaster zone from beginning to end. We can help but it will there will always be a splinter of entropy embedded in it. And to know that in the end, and if we have to wait until the crisis is resolved and the war is finished to be happy and loving practitioners, we will never be happy loving practitioners. The time is now. The darker it gets, the happier you can be, the more noble life you can live. And if happiness seems like a cheap language for this, think instead of purpose. What is your purpose now being put here for this moment in the crucible that is the four noble truths? looking at Duca suffering as the flame which cleanses the gold. When you smelt gold, you heat it so that the impurities rise to the surface or the block of lead falls to the bottom in a pellet. I looked this up on a YouTube video yesterday to make sure I was getting it right. And only with that heat of difficulty and suffering does patience grow. Do we have any impetus to untangle the heart from the fraught weave of reality in the mundane conditioned sense and to come back into a luminous brightness that is our own and which we can give to others to find gold to give the world. The Buddha says in the gold washer that one who cleans cleanses the fine impurities from their heart gives up thoughts of one's homeland. America is just a concept. What happens if you expand your view to all of humanity and all beings? Does that lighten the heart and broaden it? One gives up thoughts of one's color cast. Think of this as you will. It can be in the today's age uh blue and red, whatever you want. And thoughts of not wanting to be despised. I just love that one. I'm not sure how it relates to this talk, but to know that it's not that we're devaluing the values of each of those alignments. It's not that you can't take action on those parts, but to know you've touched into a deeper narrative. The Buddha images are so often made of gold for a reason. And that deeper narrative is the key. So upeka the final in every Buddhist list almost there's a representative of wisdom and in the four brahavar's opeka equipoise equinimity is the representative of wisdom and it's a crown jewel in Buddhism so often it's the final member of a list and it is so hard to justify to a world that calls for you to be outraged you know the bumper sticker if you're not angry you're not paying attention That is not a Buddhist bumper sticker. Really, it's not. Um, and the upka comes etmologically from the word toa which means to look to approach and ick, which means to gaze. So to look closely or to look at or to look over And it's intimately related to this idea of yoni sanaikara appropriate attention. Ayanabodi translates it as a bird's eye view. Others translate it as a grandmother's love. Joseph Goldstein says it's looking through the earthbound of ma madness through the lens of Venus which I very much like. And there's no sense of indifference there. Equipoise the word poise. It's that moment between notes that a dancer stops before it's the right time to move into another one. But it does feature this sense of stepping back and knowing when we can and can't make a difference. For those of you who watched that interview with Roshi Joan Halifax, you'll remember her talking about being at one of the nomad clinics in the Himalaya and a father bringing his two-year-old daughter who was covered in burns. He'd walked two days to be there and the burns were separating and covered in maggots and they had to clean it without anesthesia. And as Roshi heard the screams and almost fainted, she realized that she'd gone too far in identifying with the child. That what she was there for providing support for the nurses and the doctors, she was no longer able to do. And so she pulled back and grounded in her feet. There's a place to pull back and hold still. Hold the center. Much of the path of Buddhism in the words of Ajin Sona can be characterized as a warm heart and a cool head. And in the end, Dupeka is essential. You can look at it by broadening her view. It's a tendency, a conceit of every age to think of theirs as the worst it's ever been, of the key moment. But if we'd lived in the 1970s, we would be looking up for the next bomb to come from the Soviets. If we'd been living in the 1940s, we would have been looking at the rise of the of the Reich, World War I, not to mention going back farther to the time of the Buddha, famine was ravaging the land. There were wars between kings. The Buddha was accused of murder before his whole clan, according to the commentaries, was massacred after he passed away. These were not easy times. In many ways, the time we live in is very beautiful. There are many things to look to and rejoice in. An accurate headline on the newspaper every day for the last 25 years would say 137,000 people lifted out of extreme poverty every single day. That would be the top of the headline. that's been true. And it's not to say there aren't things that are deeply wrong that need to be addressed, but a balanced view, stepping back, widening the gaze, upka, looking over, a bird's eye view, and understanding how the Buddha interacted with those times that he walked with equinimity and love through them to understand how the Buddhists of the path past have navigated falls and rises of empire of famine and war and held their center throughout. This is our lineage and it's a deeper narrative. It's a narrative that lasts lifetimes. And this is one other way of expanding our view. If one believes in uh rebirth and dava realms, you don't have to, but if you do to know this is one moment in the arka, this the Buddha says next to nothing is the length of this life. Like a drop of dew on a blade of grass, like a line drawn in water. Once you touch this truth like a sage, do what is good for one born. There's no escape from death. We're here for a brief moment to learn and to give and to expect too much from samsara in terms of fulfilling our expectations. Another bumper sticker. Expectations are pre-planned resentments. That's an aenf. What does it mean to see samsar for what it is? I'm sorry is I'm sorry. It will never be perfect. But in the words of Long Poor Liam, there are no obstacles, only worthy adversaries. And Hanson, a famous Zen teacher said, "After time, the whole path becomes pleasant because things if things are pleasant, they're pleasant. And if they're difficult, it's a chance to use your dharma strength, which is pleasant." Our job is not to expect the world to be perfect, but to walk towards it with love and care and understand that if we embody this practice, I've seen the power that the pure heart ripples out and it is unbelievable. It is immeasurable. If you can hold that now, be with your practice. Restrain your view, your intake of inputs that it doesn't inflame the heart and take action where you feel inspired to take action in the national realm, in the global realm, in the local realm, but always from a place of love or at least equinimity. At least equinimity. The Buddha said there are five kinds of loss. Health, wealth, relatives, right view and morality. He says that the first three these are trifling. You will lose your health. You will lose your wealth. You will lose your relatives. The last two right view and sila morality are precious. Never lose them. And you look back through history. Who here knows the triumvirant? The most famous uh conspiracy in history that brought down the Roman Republic. Okay. Well, anyways, um there was a conspiracy of Caesar, Ko, uh sorry, Caesar, Pompei, and Craas. Pompei was a general representative here of aversion. Uh Cassus, the richest man in Rome, uh greed. Caesar, delusion, the uh and all three of them were trying to bring Rome under their control. And there was one man against them, and that was Ko. And he had nothing going for him except he was a really good speaker, and he was honest, completely honest. People would say of Ko, he thinks he lives in the uh the streets of the republic, but he lives in the gutters of Rome. But he changed them into the streets of the republic. And we still remember well some of us do. Ko he his image echoed out and you think of these figures that have continued to echo into our hearts through the years and it's those who acted from love. The Buddha said, "I praise the killing of one thing, anger." anger with its honeyed tip and poisoned root. We should make sure that man can get in if someone would help him. So to say there's room for action, but also to understand that where we direct our attention is essential. That as we practice, we gain a imperative to take care of our hearts. We've been gifted a lineage that stretches back 2500 years. To not let it founder, to hold that bright thread beautifully and carefully in the time that needs it the most. To operate always from meta, compassion, joy, and equipoise at the same time. And once again, this is not to say that there's not room for action and care. You should act as you feel inspired in the world. But can you do it from a place of love, understanding? And can you understand that through all that the greatest gift you can give is a pure heart and to hold that sacred. So good luck everyone. Su I've mentioned this before, but one of the few institutions in the US left that has transcended politics is Dolly Parton. It's one of the few places you can find truckers and hippies all together at a concert. And uh they call her the Dolly Mama. and her politics is a carefully guarded secret. But just uh this is also our role, not that exact role, but something close to it. So, Sim Junho, would you have anything to say and add to this at all if you're interested? No pressure though. >> I'll let it float. >> Okay. In that case, um I would like I introduced you a little bit at the beginning, but um Seminary Junha, who's just so wonderful. We're so glad to have you back. Um I first encountered a new way of being on the Pacific. I memorized this from the Pacific Crest Trail years ago. Only part of it though. Uh and then in 2023, took seminary ordination at Aloka Vihara or Aparana Vihara with Ayan Deod in 2025. Uh and trained there until 2025. reluctant to return to lay life. Um but just recently Ayasuk and Aaya Dananda gave Ajin Kobilo and myself a call and said actually we really want to support seminary Junha coming back into robes because she wants to be in this form so badly and we think it's the right decision. So Seminary Junha uh is back as a seminary as a Buddhist nun. Um she'll be up in Bellingham going forward. Uh the website is junhavara.org or and we'll post that again to the WhatsApp and Discord. And um I'll let you say more, but just to really encourage people, it is it's unprecedented to have this many monastics of uh the Pu and Pikuni terabody lineages in one area. It is amazing and I really really hope people can support our sister um and can really just come up to her afterwards and if you don't have anything immediately you know to give um give her your your number or your email just some way of you know and and an invitation as monastics we aren't allowed to ask for things unless we're sick or it's water or we've been given an invitation. So feel free to just say, "I give you my invitation to ask for anything that's needed." And that will give her the open door. Good morning. Oh, it's so nice to be here and all with all of you. I'm sorry to that I snuck in late and hopefully not terribly disruptively. Um yeah I think Ajan Niso you know covered the basics after a few years um at Aloca Vajara in Payanovihara. I am in a liinal space and really looking forward to opening the next chapter in the spring in a few months time um up in Bellingham. that I will have much more to say about that in terms of details um over the coming months. I don't have much beyond that to share. Um but yeah, I am just immensely grateful um to be practicing the dharma and living a monastic life and also to be part of this remarkable community constellation of Dhamma in the Pacific Northwest and the West Coast generally. Um, I guess the one other thing I will add practically is that I did bring uh um just a clipboard with a signup sheet and so if you are interested in connecting please, you know, add your you can put your name and email address on that. All right. Thank you. And we have you got you a birthday bag and a birthday hat which you can't wear because you're a monastic but I'm putting it by you. Welcome Seminary Junha here. Three big sados for seminary junha. Sadu sadu sadu. It's um so needed to have gymnastics in the world and lay practitioners as well. Um we know some people have just uh just wanted that affirmed and um we know the monastic is the one sitting up here a lot but to really acknowledge that people can live such powerful dharmic lives in whatever karma you've been given this lifetime and um I know one man who went off trying to ordain it didn't work out and he came back and determined to live his lay life uh with the first three paras almost as a mantra sila, how ethical can I be? How much can I give up? How much can I give? Um, and he's more monastic than a lot of monastics I know. So, I just really want to affirm and honor that form um of all of you who've come here and yeah, it's quite important and I'm really glad you ordained again went forth. So, so let's open for questions. We have some time for comments or otherwise. people can just raise their hand and we'll run a mic over to you. And uh who are they? >> Sure. Please. One of them. >> Larry, please. >> I'm here. >> Larry, I think you're muted perhaps. Try again, Larry. >> Okay. Uh, Venerable Vonhop, >> good, good. >> Looking forward to you coming up here to Bellingham and um I wish you the best and finding a place. Hope that goes smoothly and um yeah, if you ever need any driving, you've got my email. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Larry. other person on Zoom. >> Nathan. Oh, that was my lay name. Gift of God. Go for it, please. Good. Uh well, thank you for the meditation and your uh reflections. Uh I'm I've been reading quite a bit, listening to lectures, and doing guided meditations on fear. But I feel unclear exactly the the role of fear and uh aversion. And for me, I I think I'm I'm seeing a relationship between my in planning and worry as being uh aversion, but more deeply a sense of being out of control, being fearful of the, you know, the future. And is kind of another part of that question is what role does delusion have in in expressing our fear? Fear is not in the not classified as a universally unh wholesome state in Buddhism because there are legitimately things to be afraid of namely losing your morality, losing right view. But when it comes to everything else, it usually is not a wholesome state. And one of the really powerful sutas the Buddhist speaks about is uh one where he was in the forest walking meditation and fear came upon him in the middle of the night and he said I determined not to change my posture until the fear had subsided. So as he was walking he just determined to not stop walking or to change any bodily action until the fear had subsided on its own. And Longasano had that experience as well. He was walking meditation in Thailand and a tiger came up to the walking path. you can smell them. They're really, really po potent. Apparently, I've never smelled a tiger. Um, and he just remembered the Buddha's instructions and he just kept walking, meditation, quietly back and forth until the fear subsided. And then he went up onto his porch and he thought, "Should I go in the c in my little mosquito net?" And he thought, "No, it's far better equipped than me. If it decides to kill me, that's not going to stop it." So, he just meditated on his porch. And um so I I think the sense of whenever these states come which are rife with suffering and defilement you'll know their flavor by their sense of burning vibrating and the need to take action change something uh it's one of the universal four and wholesomes in abidham is restlessness um and to know that our duty in the four noble truths is when that's happening It means dooka is manifesting and the duty of the first noble truth is to understand duca to stand under duca to not react patient endurance is the supreme incinerator of defilement. So to know that what the Buddha is speaking to with that lack of making any change of motion based on fear is let it vibrate itself out and then when it's calm when you've come to a cool place then you make a decision about okay like I can act from this or I can make this change but it's always from that place of the third noble truth of the sessation of dooka reveals the path. Um, so I think that's important with fear or doubt or anger or any of these states that come like as a Buddhist your duty unless like someone's running into the street right now, right then and like in which case help them not get run over. But like in every other circumstance, it's to hold still long enough that you can operate and come from a place that's wholesome and act from that. Respond, don't react. And I'd say with aversion, um, that's always unh wholesome. And just to know that our thinking of the future, this is one of the hindrances is utachukucha which means restlessness, anxiety and worry, anxiety and remorse looking to the future and past. And you know you can use all these reflections that were given in the talk to some extent but in the end the badcarata gatayo suta which was the suta if people remember venerable um sucha who came from Korea. This is the suta that touched her so deeply that she turned to terra. Um, one should not revive the past nor speculate on what's to come. The past is left behind. The future is unrealized. Here, just here, one clearly sees in every presently arisen state. This insight is one's strength. So, knowing that the Buddha said the four foundations of mindfulness are our ancestral ground. We're invincible there. And so, when fear comes, just noticing fear, this is how it feels in the body. This is the pain it brings. And if you're able to maintain that sort of mindfulness around fear or anger or aversion, you are practicing the four noble truths. You're practicing the satipana. You're using difficulty and duca as a crucible to purify the heart. And that is your duty. And so you're doing a good good job then. Um, and as to how delusion plays into it, you know, we've all had that experience of, you know, no, not understanding how someone can be acting a certain way and then you understand what happened to them as a child or what's happening at home and there's that sense of like, oh, of course, and nothing's changed except you understand why. And so to see that always anger comes from delusion. Always every time. If anger is arising, there's delusion somewhere in the cause and effect because you can understand how an unh wholesome situation has come to be. But the is without holding it with aversion and delusion is at the root that of wanting expecting the world to be a way it's not. Um, and then there's other elements of like not seeing the drawback of anger clearly and the damage it does. But that's that's a start. Do you have anything to add somebody? Does that uh land okay, Nathan? >> Yeah. Thank you very much. >> Yeah. And and just, you know, if the heart's really invested in the world being a certain way, like more and more you want to understand that where your stability lies is the internal refuge and the three refues of the Buddha, Dhama, and the Sana. And then you can move into the world but have a safe harbor at the same time. Other questions? Thanks for the talk, Hajjan. Um, I'm wondering if suppose I'm a person with a mind like stone and I'm angry about injustice and I'm working on it and someday that will be gone, but it seems like it's going to take quite a while. It's not going to happen soon. Um, should I in the meantime say and do nothing to correct the injustice? Should I wait until the anger is completely gone? I'll offer some thoughts. Um, the first thing that comes to mind is that we start where we are. And sometimes that can be humbling. And so I appreciate you you naming that like it feels like this mind is stone. Um and that there's some deep grooves of anger or what might be. Um and we start by understanding where what that mind is and then um I appreciate that you know grief is often in the Buddhist psychology not a wholesome state but Um, in Devote talks about grief as the necessary path from how we think it should be, how we wish it was, where we are, any attachment to how it is and to, you know, that an a place of openhearted acceptance. Um, and there's a Buddhist psychologist who I have found really helpful who talks about the three components of grief as sadness, fear, and anger. And that when we're in a place of being stuck, it's probably because it's likely for most of us that one or two of those channels are more readily accessible, but it's hard for us to access all three. And I can speak from personal experience that um you know I can sadness can be really accessible and anger is much less you know there's a plenty of cultural conditioning around my gender my you know that says anger is not okay to feel. But then we can get stuck in collapse you know and similarly if anger is really accessible there might be fear or sadness that feel really vulnerable. Um and so bringing that inquiry in and then as Ajaniso was describing you know the crucible of really allowing ourselves to feel that and I can say for myself that allowing myself to feel anger and not act out of it but to feel it has been a powerful conduit it to moving me into a place of understanding my own power and being able to embody that fierce compassion and then being able to accept this is how it is and from there seeing how to how to respond in the world. And so, um, I guess the encouragement that I would offer is if you're seeing, good on you for seeing a mind that might be overwhelmed with anger or mired in anger. And, you know, can you turn towards what else might need to be felt? And then instead of looking for a state of I've eradicated anger and I have you know transcended and moved beyond that like are there moments when you can say you know what like this is a mind that is clear and is ready to respond right now and then it you know and recognize actually and in this moment this mind feels like I just need to be with it and I need to step back. So those are my some thoughts. Thank you. >> We actually are. Maybe we'll do one more. Yeah. And please, Jean, >> what's the name of the >> um David Racho whose writing is quite old and that was just a gem that I picked up from him some time ago. You're welcome. That was an easy one. That's good. Um, and I think that's really good. And just to affirm like there is a place you don't want to repress anger, um, if it comes up often it needs to be understood, felt um, but not acted on. That's the difference. There's a difference between suppression, which we praise suppressing, acting on anger versus repression. And also, Milo, like if if there is something coming up which the anger is just really raw, you know, knowing it's okay to there's certain news items that are just going to invoke something in the heart more than others and to pull back from them. And if you're really concerned about wanting to take action in those realms, designate an ambassador friend who can tell you what to do, you know, can read the news for you every now and again and tell you when you can take action or something. But like, yeah, if something's inflaming your heart again and again, it's a problem. And if there's some skillful means of like steering in from taking that sort of input in, but still being able to take action in a way that feels right for you, then then that's important to figure out as well. We should wrap up. I'm sorry it's been close or kind of quick and we didn't get more as well. There will be Senator Junhow is going to be here for hopefully a long time in the Northwest. So, we'll get many chances with her.