#285 - Jimmie Allen on Reaching Out To Morgan Wallen and Getting Criticism for His Response and how he met Kobe Bryan + Bobby and Eddie on Country Artists with Most Grammys and Living Legends

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode to eighty five. Jimmy Allen will be on talks about reaching out to Morgan Wallen, also meeting hanging out with Kobe Bryant, which is cool. We'll also talk about country artists with the most Grammys in Who's the Living Legend Now, so big episode here, Let's start with the New Music Top five. At number five this week that I'm excited to check out, Carrie Underwood put out a new gospel song called nothing but the Blood of Jesus for my part of this Queen Nothing Jess and number four this week, Jordan Davis has a song out called need to Notw'm need that I'm meeting. At number three, Nick Jonas has a new album called Spaceman, and here's a new song called This Is Heaven. I'm always drawn to the Jonas brothers stuff. I always go bonus Brothers, but every song they put out really good, even Nick Jonas and what those other brothers said too, And Nick's like, guys, I'm gonna go back solo from me. I'm sure they're cool with skit like on SNL with Kevin Yeah, He's like, hey man, I just bought a house like you going and leaving us. It's pretty funny. Number two Lady A has a new song called Like a Lady? Is that Charles Kelly singing background on Like a Lady? It sounds like it feels weird. I should just be like Hillary only. And number one Darius Rutger has a new song out called My Masterpiece. They're say my master Pieces love man you. In music News, Jay Z's net worth jump. He's now worth one point four billion dollars. He was already a billionaire. He went from one to one point four day. Nico Moon Lance's first ever number one, dam More, I hear it more. I love it? You know me too? Yeah? More, I hear it more. I love it, always liked it, then started to love a little bit, but now I love it. Just such a good song. Yeah, we paid get on him get the very first rock song turned seventy years old last week, which I didn't know this song honestly, It's called Rocket eighty eight by Ike Turner and the Kings of Rhythm heard the knowing they make, but let me reduce my rocket straight. They called it the very first rock song rock song? Is that a horn in there? Saxophone? And speaking of Darius he has the number one song this week that we're looking forward to. But he's been named Southerner of the Year by Southern Living magazine, which recognized him for his work his music efforts but raising money for St. Jude. Just a good dude, Love Darius, Congratulations to him. All Right, let's get going with today's episode. I love it. Check it out. Here's Jimmy Allen and then a bunch of Grammy talk Enjoy here with Jimmy Allen, which I was looking at some of the track listing for for Betty James. And I'm always curious at the process and asking people much cooler than yourself, no no offense, much cooler than yourself to do something with you, because I doesn't have to ask people cooler, way cooler than me to do stuff with me. And I'm always a little weird about it. How do you ask, for example, let's do the song now, you and Brad Paisley, you have a song together, that's the song out of radio Freedom was a Highway? How does that ask go? Do you do it? Or did your people do it? Man? So I kind of did on myself. It kind of happened because I was Brad. It text me one night. It was like, hey, after you played an operating to night, come by the house. He said, Darius is coming in. He said Bill shatners here. I was like, that was Bill Shatan. She's like William shat I was like, you know, people, might we know him from Unsolved Mystery. I didn't know who. I've never heard him called Bill Shadder before. So I went over there and uh, I get there. Tim girls outside peeing out in front of the house. So we go in, UM and we're just talking to me, Tim, Brad and Darius and I'm sitting here looking like, how did I get in this room? How much money? These d's are worth a lot? So then we grabbed the guitars and start playing men. Tim was like, yo, we should do a song together. He said, Jimmy, here's my number, text me to do a song. I was like, now, listen, I'm the dude that if you give me your number and you say text me to do something, I'm going to text you. So I went to l a like two days after that, and I wrote made for These Um and I sent texted to Tim. I was like, hey, what do you think about the song. He's like, dude, I love it, Let's do it. Then Brad I texted, had Freedom written like a year and a half before that. Um, I read it with Ash and I'm gonna Matt Matt Rogers and he was like, I love it. I was like perfect. And then the Darrison Charlie song. Man, I actually had another song I wanted to do with Darrison Charlie Um, but it was like a drink song. And there's like, bro, we can't have the first song we do with Charlie Bride drinking song. I was like good point. So the day after Kobe died, Um, I was writing it was me my bass player, take how Um, who was my first signing to my publishing company. He's dope um, Karrie Barl on Brandon Day. We wrote it the day after Kobe died, and just think about life, man, you know, like life throw stuff at you. Like Kobe was probably one of the most motivated people I ever knew. Like every conversation I had with Kobe, I just left feeling more motivated, Like you know, what, can't I do what people say I can't do, I gotta go do it. So that's what kind of how that song came about. So I called Charlie Um give it to Darius and they were like yeah, um. So that's kind of how that comes. I just reached out to everybody, and after I got everybody's yes that, I called the labels like, hey, I'm this COLLABORIP already got the artist. They all said yes. I kind of did the work before I even when. What about Nellie? Um? Nellie? He was in town? I saw him. I was walking the same building I was walking to for me and he was walking out. I text my manager, Yo, Nellie's in town. Can you find out why? He was like yeah, sure, So he finds out what nell was in towns in town right, and then he said, hey, Nelly, correct with you to night at nine. But we wrote there like two thousand nineteen, and we had a show the next day in Minnesota's all right. It's a hard decision do I stand right with Nelly or do I get on the tour bus because me and my band, we hang out on the tour bus. We play PlayStations, So don't play PlayStations right with Nellie? So I wrote with and then I just flew to Minnesota the next day. That's how that one worked. Let's see, so that I was gonna play some of Made for These which is you and McGraw, like, play me a clip of this Goose Days. So if Tim were two cent, because I'm assuming you guys did not record them at the same time, right, like he went and did his thing and he sent it back to you, if you would have said something back that wasn't your vision and heck he didn't love would you have said, can we cut this little diffrin? Or oh yeah, oh what? Oh yeah? Because I feel like when you're creating music, man, you wanted to be the best and um, and I feel like a lot of times people work with legends and stuff like that and they're just like like, Okay, we'll just take it because they're on it. But I still want to be good, you know. I mean, and knowing Tim's capability, like he killed that. So I remember Tim told me said, dude, you're gonna make me like sing for real on this song. I said, he said, because you're singing for real, so I have to sing for real. He killed it like he did his thing. But yeah, if I didn't feel it was done right, you know what I mean, Like, hey man, you mind redoing this part or we're doing that even thing you can say is no or screw you. But he killed it, and I think you would say no or screw you. He didn't feel like I think people are gonna kill me if I don't follow up on you saying the times that you've spoken with Kobe? How did you meet Kobe Bryant? Man, I met Kobe at a Lakers game backstage, Uh well, and like round in the locker room area and just shucks. I think a game when he was playing or after he retired planning his plan. Um. I think it was two thousand and chuck, swim me Kobe two thousand five, No, two thousands six or two thous that long ago. How did you get in the locker room in two thousand and six? Man, I'm gonna tell you something about me. I used to sneak in a lot of places, bro, Like I've snuck in the Grammy parties. I've snuck into Seasick Awards. I snuck into the See Maze before. If I got a wreak a deal Because this is the thing when you're a black guy with cowboy boots on and a leather jacket and you act like you know where you're going nobody stops you. So I was sitting, Um, I was sitting like four rows up behind the Lakers bench, and I saw people just going backstage and get drinks. So I had a cover in my hand and I just followed another group of black guys. I think they were like rappers or something. I don't know, but nobody stopped me that. I was back there just hanging out, act like I'm on my phone talking. Kobe walked by said hey, what's up to him? And how do you say? Hey, what's up to him? Just walking by though, Like I was like, col what up? Good to see you, bro, Act like I knew he said what's up? Man? He was like, he's like, what's your name? You said Jimmy? Then again, because he thinks he probably met you at some point exactly, So I saw him there. Then I saw him in a few events before we bumped. We bumped into each other, like I think I've We've had about overt conversations. Did ever get to the point where you guys just saw each It was like Jimmy Kobe, Oh yeah, I got to that point. Was it after you had started to get heat or get success that it was a bit of a peer to peer. We're both then. Nah, it was more just he saw me everywhere, like at different events he was at in l A. I was there a couple events in Miami, he was there. I was there. Like I used to like purposely put myself in places to meet people because I feel like, if you want to be successful, you gotta surround yourself with successful people. That's why I was killing myself when I first moved to town and moved to Brentwood, because I knew most people lived in Brentwood's. I ran into people at the gym, the grocery store, at restaurants, and I'll just talk to him. I was watching you playing one of the celebrity Maybe it was because I don't think they had an All Star game last year, but the year before, were you playing in the Celebrity A A Star game? Now that was Kane. I played in the Celebrity game. I watched you a few years ago. All my years are done. Yeah, everything it was. It was a monster. It was just Monster inc. Celebrity game I did with Floyd Mayweather and like t O and Gronk and all of them. Yeah, all the celebrity games to me are the same and I don't know the difference. And I just remember seeing you play and I was like, dang, who was the best celebrity basketball player on the court that night? Okay, but he played what Tennessee State? Yeah, he was good. He was a college basketball Remove him, remove anyone that played basketball at a high level. I'll ask you this, who is the best celebrity basketball player you've played with her against that wasn't a ball player, that wasn't a ball player. Probably mattch though I beat him out here, Matti turns it on. I tell you this, though, I only beat him because we were shooting, and he he's six six and plays like a guard, which is incredibly difficult. When Matt turns it on, he can hoop. Uh ain'tking hoop. I still think I'm better than both of them, for sure. Uh. Do you guys get competitive when you're with each other to the point where it will get a bit chippy at times, not really chippy, because you know, we're like, we're out here playing, but at some point in the game we both want to win. So it's like when the game kind of gets close. But you'll see people like really turning up guys that love ball, and like playball and competitive, whether it good or not, it kind of turns it up a little bit. Even Gator turns it up. Yeah, Gators competitive hustle. I called him like I say, he's an undersized white Dennis Rodman, an undersized white Dennis Rotten. Dude rebounds like nobody ever seen before. And his energy is crazy, crazy, scrappy. He's the type of person you want on your team. He's oddly a really good athlete. And I think he's goes to fifty now, yeah, something like that's at least seventy two for sure. Are you more jacked right now than the last time I've been hitting hard? You haven't hitting the weight. It's hard waits. Are you still doing cardio or are you just trying to get big? I want to be big and chiseled. I don't just don't want to just be I want to be big, but I want to be in shape but not really too big. And I mean I want to look big enough to somebody walk up too that they won't think it's just gonna be easy. Are you having to get close fitted? Because my trouble is I got extremely thin a couple of years ago when I was going from Dancing with the Stars to American Idol, and I had to stay thin because my clothes didn't fit. So I got all these clothes. They were like a thirty in pants and now I've probably probably fifteen pounds heavier, and I got like one section of clothes I can never wear. But it's like you fluctuate as well, like you're having to like go to different closets to be like, all right, this is thin, Jimmy. Like luckily my waist hasn't changed, Like I try to keep my waist to same, so I'm like the thirty four, like I've managed to stay stay at thirty four. Like my shirts, I'll fluctuate from like an extra large too large, just depends on the day. I was looking at the A C. M nominations, and I'm gonna be a little bit insulted for you for a second. It's weird for me to be a little bit insulted when you get nominated, But to have you for New Male Artists of the Year. You have multiple massive ists a I get, and good for you, right, good for you to me, you're established artist of the Year, you know I and you don't have to even comment on this. I'm just telling you how I feel about this when I see and I'll read you the people here, Jimmy Allen, Travis Denny, New artists should be up there in hardy. New artists should be up there in it. Cody Johnson, I'd put him. Cody has been around for a while. I guess he's new as far as Parker McCallum new. These guys don't have as artists, and I'm friends with three of the four of them. They don't have as an artist the success that you have right now. And when I saw you on that, I was like, you know what, good for Jimmy And if he doesn't win, that's stupid because he's got When they put you on New Artist list at the beginning of the year, and I'm like, guys, good breaking songs, massive hits, what do you mean new artists? And it's a weird reason to be insulted. I I kind of felt that way when I saw uh Maitland got nominated for New Artists. I think they're on a second record. I'm interested to know how what new means. I think isn't it something like new Artists? You can be nominated twice if you if your album hasn't gone platinum, it's something. I don't know what it is. Remember Justin Moore winning at one year and he's been around like five years, and even he was like, I ain't that new. Yeah, I've been around for a while. But I mean, I think you were more deserving in the Mail Vocalist category than the new Artist and listen, you should win this award and you don't have to comment on that. But anyway, I saw and I was like, Jimmy's like real, got real hits, got real longevity here, and you guys are acting like he showed up yesterday with the suitcase, like I'm here to sing my songs. Yeah. It's always you know. I It's one of them things where UM Awards shows are interesting to me, be because when you look at categories like I see male Vocalists of the Year, I'm not taking into account how big their songs were. I'm thinking vocalists. So I feel like every year Chris Young, Randy Houser, Lee, Bryce, Chris Stable that those dudes to me are vocalist, you know what I mean, Like they should be nominated. I feel like every year, like but I feel like sometimes people based their voting off of who their favorite is, um how big their song was. But I'm like this the categorists vocalists, I would say, if we're just defining because again it just has vocalists, right, I would say the best vocalist with a great body of work and what where does that meet? Like you could you wouldn't put, in my opinion, a Lee Bryson there this year because he hadn't had the success of like a Stapleton record listen, Luke Comb should be in there, right So, but yeah, I agree with you, like the categories almost are anti literal because you're not that new. How long you've been in town at this point, I've been in town since oh seven, Our Best Shot one number one eight, so you've had you've had, yeah, three years since you've had a number one. Heck, that song was on the chart for a year. Yeah a minute. You know that was the record until Travis Denning lasted longer and took him longer. I think, yeah, I think Best Shot went quick. Shout out to heart Ford on the verge, Uh, I think it's that. Yeah. As a as an artist, you know, it gets kind of frustrating because you're just sitting there waiting and waiting. But as a songwriter, since I wrote it, I was like, let's go. This check is about to be mass. Longer it stays on the charts, more you get paid. Oh yeah, I went to Disney a lot with that, bro. Yeah, what is the Disney kick about? Because every time on Instagram, not not recently, you've been pandemic though I've seen about five times a couple of days ago. I'm going again, what's the deal? What's the What's that rooted in? So I fell in love with Well, I told you, like everyone that's motivated that comes from nothing I look up to that goes to you. Kevin Hart, Walt Disney like, this guy had his first character Oswald, stolen, came back, had nothing, took loans out, bet on himself, created Mickey who he was going to name MORTI murder Mouse. I'm glad they wouldn't, but he just showed that man, you bet on yourself, you work your butt off, um you and you continue to work even in the face of no, and eventually you'll get where you want to go. So for me, that was the first thing I was attracted to. Who walk was like his determination and then Um, my family started going to the last place me and my grandma went before she died. Um. They had my daughter's baby reveal there. I got engaged there. Um, so something that's been a part of my family for a long time. So I love it. What do you do when you go? Are you riding rides or are you there are certain experiences that you like to hit a certain times. Yeah. So the first thing I always do is go to Magic Kingdom. You gotta set the mood right, you know. Then I ride a consul of progress. I'm a classic Disney fan. Um. And then I'll take a day, will do the VPP towards We could just jump to the front of lines is rides. After that, man, we chill go to Animal Kingdom, walk around, Um, go to Epcot, eat, drink, hang out. They got different festivals that they have come through, like right now is Flowering Garden to light July third, and after that they got he knows the whole calendar. Yeah, and then after that they got uh food and wine, so like they have they have the all their countries, but then they bring in other countries to they have different food stuff so and I love food bro like heavy, so I don't know. Especially to me. I love it. I go to clear my head. A lot of song ideas I get from Disney. I get to people watch people watching. It is the best for me. I never got to go to Disney as a kid, you know, we didn't even go on vacation. But when first time to down in twelve, but Win was an adult. Yeah, me too. I went for the first time in an atult too. And so I remember, since I worked for ABC and Disney owns ABC, we were after the shoot one day and the guy comes up and goes, hey, you know, you go to Disney whenever you want and v I P Like, they give you a guide and you can go, like they'll hook you up. And I was like really, I said, well never, I never been. They're like, well, then he said, it's gonna ruin you because if you go and we send you with the Disney v I P, you're gonna cut every line. But you should do it. And I was out and we were shooting Idol and had a day off, which is very rare out there, and I said, you know what, screw it, I'm gonna go. And so I go, and you know, the the woman shows up she'sn't like the plaid scard and she knows the history. And you're finding a little Mickey Mouse is all over and I'm like a wide eyed kid because I've never been before. And so I started to feel guilty because it's a Saturday and we were cutting two and a half hour lines. We're just walking around people. But I didn't feel so guilty. I stopped. I felt guilty, but I still would still go to the front of the line. It was hard, and you know, I don't want to sweat. So we get there and she says to me, she goes, hey, we're gonna walk with another group of v I P people. We're gonna take a little side under trail. And she's like, um, just disney Land and this is Disneyland, and she says, so we're gonna take this little trip. Um, it's not a big deal. You're gonna run into some people. But they were listen, I'm not famous, but they're so true, No, but I'm not. But they're so worried about people bothering famous people. And she's like, don't worry about anybody you're near is going to be you know, someone who's not gonna bother you, and I'm like, all right, and worried about that anyway, but okay, So we go down and there's this small lady, long hair, and she's up ahead of me and she's just kind of be bopping around a lot of energy. And I walk up beside her and she's gonna get ripped clothes on, ripped jeans, and I'm just walking on a lick over and that small older lady with Steven Tyler, who who I had met a couple of times when he was in town and was extremely nice and talent when I was an idol. Was he you went during that that Randy and j Lo. Well he was so nice to me here, but I don't want to bother him or expect Steven Tyler of Aerosmith to remember me. So so we're walking beside she goes, hey, what's a man? He just see something? Guy? You have a guy walking? Next time, I'm like, hey, man, how are you? And he goes and I was like, are you kidding me? Steven Tyler recognizes me at Disney World with no prompt whatsoever. So my Disney experience was pretty good too, And Steven Tyler was there, have you going to Disney? World in Florida. Yet I went and had dinner there because I had a friend who now works at Apple, Michael Bryan, who had programmed there before, and he was like, hey, I'll get you into that the greatest food place. But I haven't done all the park stuff there. See we do it now. So I went to my problems in two thousand and twelve, I like, work three jobs and saved up enough and I took my mom and two of my sisters. We went um. But then I went to Disneyland after that. But Disneyland is so small compared to Disney World. And now I remember we were just there a couple of weeks ago, a week ago, and we got to v Happy Tour again, and then they have two sets of Happy Tours. They have some rep tours where you get in the fast past lane and if you're a quote unquote celebrity, they take you around the back through the exit and you literally just hop straight on a ride. And I felt so bad. I'm looking at these lines that are like two and a half hours, little kids out there waiting and sweating. But I didn't feel bad, you know why, because I've waited in lines before. When I first I was like, you got this, kid, you work hard man, You'll be here too. You got this. You're giving the kids that Kobe talked there two hours back in line, man, hanging there. You do anything? You got this. I've waited in my lines for three hours. You once turned down a record deal from a label in l A that I read was gonna give you over a million dollars advance. Is that true now? Because did they want you to be a different kind of artist and you wanted to be or was it terms of the deal and both terms of the deal and the artists They wanted me in my band to be kind of like a hip hop version of One Republic. Um. So I wear when I'm not performing and I'm wearing sweats and sneakers all day, but on stage, I love my boots. Um, I love my jeans. Uh. They told me they didn't want me to dip. I had had my dip. Can they want to wants to be more hip hop influence to where I love. I do love hip hop. I include hip hop, R and B rock and all that stuff in my music now, but it's it's intentional where I placed it. They wanted to just be heavy hip hop loop, um no, no live bands, none of that. So I was just like h. And then with that, with that advance, I still had to take my money for myself out of it, and then my band, and then I had to you know, uh pay for my first album with that, you know, then you got taxes, and then so when it really dwindles down, then you gotta pay it back. Right the word advances where it's at, it's a loan, you know. So for me it was just like nah, you know. But for me, it really just came down to music and creativity and kind of what I wanted to do. You know. Um, I have a whether other people see it or not, I kind of have a vision kind of for like my life, music, TV, film, radio, all that stuff. Um So if something doesn't align with my vision, no matter how great the opportunity might seem to someone else, it's just not for me, you know what I mean? Is it hard to and I could probably understand and have empathy for the situation for you, Is it hard now growing up with nothing to turn down really great paying opportunities because they're right on the fence of feeling right or just chasing the money. Man, it's hard to turn it down sometimes. Um, but I feel like you can devalue yourself a lot of times and just saying yes to everything, um, no matter how big the money is. Because no, every every time you sign on to do something, you're giving a piece of yourself away. So my thing is, if I give a piece of myself away, is it worth it? You know what I mean? Does it align with my vision? Um? Career does align with my vision as a as a person? Like morally does it align with with what I want to do? But so what do you want to do musically? Like? What right now? Where are you in your head? And what you're trying to do musically? Not even close? Um? I want to want to continue to put music out, you know more. My plan is hopefully one day be able to headline arenas Um. But that, to me, that's the piece of it. What about the kind of music you're making? Oh? I love the kind of music I'm making. Um. At some point, um, knowing me, I would probably do uh like a straight just like Latin slash reggae album at some point, Scott, I love Latin music. Um, I'll um, uh where does that come from? Where does this? Where does the love of Latin music come from in your life growing up a kid in Delaware, Man, I listened to everything, Like my dad only listened to country and my mom won't listen to Christian, But I listen to everything growing up Latin music, you know, blues, rock, hip hop, R and B, jazz, classical, Um, Broadway. I want to do a full on musical theater album, like twelve songs and songs that were being a play. UM, let's love it. So that's why two. My planning to take four months off, go to New York the Browers show, do that we're working on some TV movies. Go to New York and do a Broadway show. What do you mean do like like Jennifer Nettles, Like when they go up and they're just a part of a show and they live up there, part of the show. So I'll take four months. My plan is to be airin Burr in Hamilton's. Um did they know that yet? Uh they're they're about to uh u t as work on that right now. But yeah, it's gonna take four months off, just gonna be special guest Aaron Burr. Listen, I know you stay off. I got friends on Broadway that's opposite off. Yeah, no it's not. I mean all from touring. Yeah, it's eight shows in six days. Yeah, it's it's a it is a run. That's cool. I listen. I think sometimes people get frustrated when they see people that want to do a lot of different things because they think people are only able to do a few things. Well, do you feel like your labels like at times? Because I can tell you at times my radio company has been like, hey, why are you doing TV projects? Why are you touring? Stand up like, how are you able to put all of your effort into radio if you're doing these other things? And what people don't understand. It's all about expanding the brand. And to me, it's about filling my cup. So I'm better at everything. If I feel good. Like one of my buds, I'd call him a friend. Dion Sanders always says, if you look good, you feel good. If you feel good, you play good. If you play good, they pay good exactly. And if I'm doing things that I love, I'm better at all the things that I'm doing because I feel more fulfilled. I just wonder if you've got any pushback from your people, and I have, you know, I've gotten some pushbad for me before. Like I remember when I was writing this kid's book comes out July. By the way, come my voice is a trumpet. Um, they were concerned about that. Well, how is it gonna have time to write? I'm fine with with music, you know, Um, like the TV and film I want to do, like, uh, you know there's a show I can't say it yet, but I'm musical director now for this new Netflix show that comes out this year. Um from doing that, you know, doing radio, TV spots whatever. But for me is kind of like I have to do everything I want to do. If I don't, I will go insane Because I tell people, being a touring country artist is just a piece of what I want to do, not everything. Now there's some people like that's it for them. They just wanna, you know, write country songs, have songs on radio and tour. That's great for them, But for me, it's not. It doesn't matter. I could win every c M, A every a CM, have number ones out of number one, selling out of readers across the world. I still wouldn't be happy because that's only a piece of what I want to do, you know what I mean? And and again like I tell people, you have to do what's best for you, what's gonna feel you, you know, and after people tell them me that I shouldn't do it. Are also people to grow up in two parent homes with money as a kid. I think that I was just talking with Kenny Chesney about I asked him and I said, hey, what's to deal with because he was like, you know, I've I'm friends with Bobby Balden and this is him saying this and Nick Saban, and he had mentioned a couple other people, and I say, hey, what is it about you and about this group that creates excellency in your your crap? And he's like, man, we all grew up hard. Like you learn when you grow up, like you put it all on you. You gotta do all of it, and you gotta surround yourself with good people. And I think, and I know that's the quality that we both share. Is when you don't come from anything, you have nothing to lose. But man, once you start gaining, you start gaining early, and you start figuring out how to gain, and you also feel feel like the world has beendable. I feel like you can do anything I want to do. And you're not afraid to take risk because like I've been broke before, you know, when a couple of days that I eatn We grew up, we had food stands, we had which checks, you know, we had government assistance all that stuff. So it's like that's great, but I'm not trying to go back to that. And I'll speak and I'll go speak at some colleges at times and the and for you, I see it too. I used to resent when I was in my early twenties, mid twenties, late twenties, how I grew up because I was like I started from behind. But now it's like I've been lifting weights training my whole life, and now there's nothing I can't do because of all the crap that I went through and all the struggle of just life struggle right eating until you know, that kind of struggle like other other struggles don't matter. I told people like, what do you mean you didn't eat for three days? What do you eat? What do you mean you your electric was turned up? It was off. We had no money to pay the bill, so they turned it off. That that happens. I would tell people like hacks, what we used to do to keep the electricity on where you would send an envelope that you didn't seal open to the electric company and they get it and they call you pat your like, yeah, we sent it to you. It must have fallen out. Yeah we put a check in there. But you know, I would see my mom do that as a kid and see little tricks like that. And I would tell the stories and it was like aliens were talking to people. But then what would happen is I would go somewhere like Haiti and go, oh, you know what I thought? It had it bad? It is all about what you know. It's all We were all living different stories because I could tell my stories of growing up and they would go, you don't even know what it's like. Yeah, they're like, that's not struggling. Like like most of my friends, um now I have in in Nashville. You know, they came from you know, two parent homes whatever. They know what it's like to have a father at their baseball games. I'm like, because jimmy dads games. No, Like me and my dad were cool talk about six and then we didn't get cool against I was like nineteen, so by then I was almost a man by that you know what I mean. So games, no, graduation. The only think my dad was in my graduation Seniunited basketball. No like none of that stuff, like all the milestones. No, and he only lived two minutes on the street, you know what I mean. So for me, it's like, no, that's that's another reason why I try to give my kids kind of everything I didn't have. Now make my son work for it. Like I make him take the trash out. If his room is clean, I'll dirty it up a little bit on purpose to make him clear. But the room, he's like, what happen? And he don't even know. But I feel like I'll get him whatever he wants. But I want to teach him responsibility, like we we we don't do participation trophies at all because I feel like that just teaches kids to be entitled. They feel it. People feel like they should be extra rewarded for during the job. No, that's your job. You do extually get extra rewarded when you go Bob and beyond. So his soccer team last year came in seventh place, they got a certificate for for participation. We kept that. Then they gave him a trophy the same size as first place. So he walks over to me with it behind his back. I said, let me see it. I said, you know we're gonna do it. They said yes, give it back or throw it in the trash. I said why. He said because I didn't earn it. I said exactly. So he tried to get back to him to keep it. So he threw it in the trash and we went home and we worked. We got better as team came back. The next year, they came in second place. They got it. They actually got a nice size trophy, not as big as first place. But I feel like you gotta earn it. Man. The but we're doing our kids a disadvantage when we're not preparing them for the real world. The real world does not care who your parents are. They don't care how much money you got. Can you do your job? Great? Do your job now. You're not gonna get paid extra for doing your job. You get paid extra when you go bubb and beyond. That's its reality. That's how you know I was raised. You know that's how I want to raise my kids. To work for everything you got, you appreciate it, and teach that same lesson to your kids. Book comes my voice is a trumpet? How long ago did you write this? Last year? Um, I was on that goes on the Today's Show, and um they named Margaret from Flamingo Slash Penguin reached out to U t A and asked if I'd be interested to write a kid's book because we're talking about it was the whole racial thing going around, um, right after George Floyd thing. And UM, she said she appreciated my approach to it, how I could say my frustrations without bashing people and putting other people down. UM. So we just started writing on talking about the importance of kids using a voice because it's like if you teach kids at the young age too, it's okay to encourage people. You know, it's cool to say when somebody else is doing a good job, but at the same time, you see something happening that ship and speak up, because if we don't, they just become adults out of cowards, afraid to say when things are wrong. They're afraid to you know, encourage other people, but as you know, it's not the cool thing to do or whatever. So that's kind of what that voice that that that the book is about. You mentioned George Floyd. This is the the struggle that I had with reaching out to you during that as I don't just see you as a black artist. And I hated going, hey, man, when you come on the show, give us a weird spot for men. Remember texting you being like, Man, I don't want you anything. I'm just reaching out because the black artist. But I feel like my dad told me something before he died. He says, Son, you are one of the few black artists in country music. It's not a lot of you in country music. So when things happen in country music that white people can't understand, you are the person that they can reach out to that's in the format you know what I mean, that has that point of view as a black male in America. And he said you have to accept that responsibility whether you like it or not. And I gladly accepted, Like my brain understood that right. But at this point we've known each other for years and I just didn't want to be the guy go and okay, let me roll through my black friends and see who will come on the show. Man, I would have been offended if you would have asked a bunch of white people to do it, not me. We were like, bro, bro, like like the whole like like with with the with the Morgan wall. And think a lot of people are upset with my response because this is how I look at that whole thing. Um, after it happened, I reached out to more and uh we talked every day until he left. And and I was just capital hunter. I said, Bro, no matter how drunk, whatever, whatever you get, there's three things we can't do. I can't say that any word. If he ain't black, I can't say the effort, if he ain't game. You can't beat women. Three things, you know what I mean? And I said, was I personally offended or upset when he said it? No? The reason why and this is from me being black talked to a bunch of black people. First of all, the way he at it, he he didn't do that, he didn't use the e R. And you know, and and it was like, okay, So that's why a lot of black people we laughed at was okay, Well he said it right, true, you know you shouldn't say it. But at the same time, just because I don't agree with what he said doesn't mean I should banish him. Because I tell people all the time people claim to either follow God or Martin Luther King, and those are two of the most forgiving people ever. If Martin Luther King can forgive people that beat and killed his family members, and we can't forgive someone for you know, using the word we don't agree with and and that's kind of what what what really kind of rubbed me the wrong way A lot of times where I saw you know, white people tweeting so offended. I can't believe that you would do this. I'm so hurt. You're not hurt. That word doesn't bother you. Now if you if people would have said I don't agree with this, he shouldn't have used that. It's the wrong word to use. One thing. But when people start to use words like offended, that word offended as weird me because my grandfather told at a young age, when someone says something to someone else not directed at you, that doesn't affect you. The only way you can become offended is if you are so self absorbed you make something about you that's not about you. Now you can be like, man, you shouldn't say that, bro, Like it's not a good look, you know what I mean, Like, don't use that word it makes all white country artists look racist, you know what I mean, That's one thing. But when people are the extra stuff where I just feel like people just want to be seen, you know what I mean. I feel like sometimes people just want to be in the spotlight, you know what I mean, Like just the extra hurt. And I was like, Okay, in the midst of this, since you're so hurt by this word, how many black employees do you have, you know what I mean? How many? How many Black communities have you gone into and done work for? You know what I mean? Have you reached out to Morgan and talk to him? You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's you know a lot of times it's just nonsense to where people want to look cool on social media, Like a lot of people that posted I know, people that didn't post the Black Square whatever that do stuff for black communities all the time, and I love I know a lot of people have just posted it because they don't want to look racist, but they're doing nothing. And racist racism isn't about what you post on your social media for the world to see. It's about who you actually are, what you're actually doing. And I had that conversation with with a white country artist in town after the Morgan thing, and he was just like, man, I can't believe he would say that, man, and so messed up. Man, we gotta do better for black peoples, Like, well, what are you doing better for black people? How many nonprofit black organizations? If you don't need it too? I mean black employees do you have? He said nothing, it's none. So I said, well, okay, Morgan might have done this, but I know a lot of great things that Morgan has done for black people. And my my thing is if we want to make the world a better place, we have to do the work, and the work is putting ourselves in uncomfortable situations. That thing had when Morgan said what he said, I had two choices. I could yell at him and bash out him on social media, or I could take some time and kind of really processed the whole thing and look at who Morgan is. Look at Morgan's state of mind when he said that, Look at Mortgange history, the type of music he listens to, the movies he watches. People, but it don't realize Morgan Morgan well is a lot of hip hop and that word is thrown around a lot, not making an excuse for using it. But it's like people ask their kids, well, why do my kids know how to cuss? Because they watch movies with Curson in it. They watch they hear you curse. So after a while, it's subconsciously embedded into your brain to where it comes out. Whether it's hateful when it comes out or not. It's there now. Once it's there, how do we remove it? And that takes work. That takes That took me personally calling Morgan and I told him, I said, Bro, whether you liked this or not, I'm inserting myself into your life because, first and foremost main your father, you know what I mean, your father, your person. How do we help you become a better version of yourself for your son? And then it's deeper than okay, yeah you said the N word. Okay, cool, Now we got to focus on we'll we'll fix that. You know, let's you can't say that. Let's let's let's let's let that go. Okay, that that words done? Now, how do we handle this alcohol situation? You know? How do we handle your outbursts? How do we handle the reckless behavior? There's so many things than just the N word, and I feel like everybody was just focusing on that man. This is a guy that a fellow country artists that we've seen struggling for years now, you know what I mean, And no one cared until he said the N word. No, he's he's been a person the whole time with problems, you know what I mean. So it's like, that's me just want to address the problem in find ways to insert myself in people's life and help them be a better person, just like people did death for me. Whenever you finally came out and said, Okay, I thought about this, here's I'm gonna say. Did you get hit from both sides? People being upset with you and happy with you? Yeah, it was more white people upset them black people. Like has somebody comment on my on my Instagram was like, dude, you can't you can't speak for black people. You're not even black. I was like, what, And just because I don't have the same view as every black person doesn't make me more or less black. It's just my view. It's just how I choose. And I don't bash, you know, other black people for their approach. That's them. They have the right to do what they want to do, because you know, everybody viewsed that situation differently. So yeah, I got bassed on both sides. I got you know, UM supported on side. And there's a lot of people in the hip hop community that reached out to Morgan, a couple of artists, UM, a couple of label exacts on the R and B hip hop side that reached out to him trying to find how do we help you? And that's how I feel like that, That's how it should be, man, you know, And instead of just now, there should also be consequences. There has to be consequences, and that's the problem with his other outbursts and records behavior. There was never no consequences, you know. So I feel like this whole situation could have been avoided if there would have been consequences for his other actions. But I'm glad that there was consequences because you have to be held accountable for what you said. Hey, man said this. You need a time out right now. Bro, You need to go become a better person because you have too many people looking at you and too many lives you're influencing to have this type of reckless behavior because it tells other people that it's okay. And then next thing he knows that the one person throwing that word around, we got fifty, then we got a hundred people. But if we can focus and make Morgan better, all the people that he's influencing, they see his actions, they see his life, they see how he turned things around, and they become better too. I feel like the hardest thing is to be sensible because and I can speak to it politically, I can even speak, you know, on the surface of it, where you took some time, I wasn't allowed to have time to talk about the Morgan hitry. I'm on the other next morning, I'm going, hey, we're not gonna cancel this guy, I said, but he's got to take a break for a second. And I was getting hit from both sides. You know, we got to cancel them or no he's not. And so even politically right, like I have guns, I've hunted in my whole life, but I also a big believer in gay marriage, and so I kind of fall into both the bubbles. And because I walked down the middle, both sides are pounding me. And so I wondered when you said that if you were getting hit by both sides, and I feel like being sensible is the hardest thing to be because you know you have your allies. If you just pick a polar side, like you got your team, you're gonna go fight the other side, you know exactly who your friends are. But whenever you walk down the middle and you make your own decisions based on what you've experienced in your life, then you're not uniform with anyone except yourself. Yeah, you're you're It's a It's a crazy place to be because that's me. It's like, I have my guns, hunt all the money I make. I don't want to get hit over here for taxes. But at the same time, what a woman decides to do with her body is But is her decision, not mine, not no man's decision. Uh Mary, who you want to marry? Love? Who you want to look? I think it all comes down to My grandfather is the most redneck, straightforward dude. He's said. The thing is, people just need to mind the on damn business. That's it. If people will mind their business and just focus on you being a good person, you do what you need to do, stop worried about everybody else will be good. But all this comes from because everybody and everybody's business. Yeah, if it's not affecting you or somebody close to you and not hurting kids, it probably ain't for you to be hopping in. Yeah, I was thinking about you when that happened, because again I will talk even on the radio show issues. I have guns. However, I don't think everybody should have guns, and I don't think but I don't even think all the good people should have every gun. Like should I be able to walk in buy body armor and us? No, I probably shouldn't be able to walk in just buy Like why do I need so? So am I I have? Let's you're wrapper with a lot of beef, then you need your and again let's let's work on the beef. Let's let's put a therapy. But anyway, I was thinking about you when that happened, because I know what it's like to constantly get beat up for not jumping on a polar side. I had half the TikTok kids posting a video and be going, hey, Moregan needs to take a break, and are going they can't, and then the other half going hey, he should not be canceled, going he supports them, and I'm like goddink I'm getting beat up by both that I have friends. That's what everybody like. I clearly said he should be held accountable, but also said forgiveness should come in place. And a lot of people want to say, why get forgiveness when I see change? No, how many times do you do? We do things and right after we do we said, oh, I'm sorry, and then somebody else forgives us. They forgive us before we even had time to change our directory. You know what I mean, Because forgiveness isn't about the other person, it's about you letting go that way, you know what I mean? And and yeah, I like to think logically. Man, I degic devil hate it. But I'm a logical thinker. I'm sensible, U reasonable. You know. Whenever something happens, if you notice, I'd take at least four or five days if I respond to anything. Um. I just think that's what you should do. Um. There's some things that happened. I ain't even I ain't talk. I didn't even mention because again I had nothing to do with me. Like I got hit up. People said, Jimmy, what do you feel about your duet partner? No? What c I IRUs calling Candice nappy headed. Whatever I said, whoa, I ain't respond to that. Ain't that knew me? I did a song with her, Yeah, you know, I did a song with her. What she said about two Candice Owens with her conversations with hair styles, ain't nothing doing me. Why am I going to insert myself in that? Mind of my business? Do with me? I never spoke on it, my views on that, and I never will. Got not do to me. Let me switch it up. You watch one division? Nope, that's something I'm catching up on this weekend. I've been watching The Bachelor, Bro. This is my first time ever watching The Bachelor. I thought Mr Disney would be all upon see I am, but we'll see. I like to watch it when I can watch it straight through and then now ready to go. And there's like four there was like four or five other shows I was watching. I was watching like I had to finish Power, Uh Powers, This black show. I watch it. You know it makes me. It's the one show that made me want to be a drug dealer. It was crazy and made you want to be a drag. Yeah, because it was the way he did it. This dude didn't ghost, bro, he was just so that's a problem with TV. See that's people don't say that's the problem with TV. Like, imagine being as a young kid right seeing this show, seeing this drug dealer living his fictional life and they want to do it. But again, I'm a reasonable adult now, so I know it's fake. But that show power. I was watching a show call for Life. I was catching up on Grey's Anatomy. Uh, this new show called Big Skuy that yeah, Ryan Felippe was was in shoutout to Delaware, Fellow Delaware and right there, um uh and The Bachelor. I don't know why I started watching it. So my fiance started watching it, and I was like, I'm not watching this show. So I started watching it. This show was so crazy, Like it's crazy. What's so funny to me about this season? The guy Matt James, Bro, this dude, you can tell me about to send the chick home because like she'll say something so deep and heartfelt. He'll look at her like, thank you for sharing that. Bro. She just pulled her pulled her heart out to you, and you say thank you for sharing that. You're going home, girl, You're going listen? Man, did I just root for you? I think hustlers root for other hustlers always, you know, even if there and there are a few of us that you just like the guys from low cash, right, I don't hang out with them very I may see him once or twice, but I do too, and like they go hard. Not to brag because they have to. But you developed the set of skills when you have to for so long, and then you just root for others. Can you see how the people doing it too? You know, you're it's it's an honor to you know, watch you do what you've been doing. You know, it's inspirational to a lot of people, including myself. Thank you, you know? So yeah, man? And uh any any any female country at us out there listening? Hey do it? I had his conversation with a been this a one time there. It is a lot easier, I will say, it's a lot easier for a decent looking white guy to come in to town with mediocre voice in okay songs to be successful in this for a girl. But just because there's barriers for people of color and for females, that shouldn't affect our work ethic. It shouldn't affect the quality of music We put out. So, Um, if you're a female out there listening, if you're a country artist of color, man, just keep pushing and keep making great music, be good to people, work hard, and eventually you'll find somebody that believes in you and you'll you'll you'll get your shots. Do you believe the cream always rises? I do. See What people don't understand, though, is the cream takes time to rise. It doesn't rise right away. Um, it has to fight through all that muck in the middle to get to the top. But um, once you get there, it's just good. You know, just stay focused. I think if you work hard, you're good to people. Consistent. Um, the quality of whatever you're putting out is good after a while. Uh, people can't, they can't deny. So shout out to Laney Wilson. By the way. People can't. They can't, they can't, they can't deny. So this muck artist you're talking about, what's his name? Right with theres alright? So, uh the song at radio right now, it's freedom was a Highway with Brad Paisley. You guys, check out Betty James. What's the deal with Like, what's what's the next project you're keeping that under wraps right now, not tell Aspilla beans all the time. I'm thinking about doing a deluxe version of uh um uh Betty James gotta I gotta got a song with Pitt Bull I want to put out. You already have it like it's done. They just it's master will send in his verse over this week. Um. I got a couple of the collabs on there. I'm super excited about. Who would you want to collab with if you're guaranteed of yes? Right, I come down from heaven. I'm like Jimmy and there's heart music playing around me. Anybody alive right now? Three people? Okay? Um, well, I kind of got someone who works with Rob Thomas we've written before, but it would be Ryan Teader from one from Republic Adele and Elton John Yeah. Better hop on Elton quick. Yeah he's getting up there. Yeah, I kind of got I kind of might have something who works with the whole Elton thing as of a couple of days ago. Yeah, man, you know, anything you want to do, do it. Also, by the way, the next season you shoot on that deep sea fishing show, Well that's not a deep sea so okay, so it'll be on Disney Plus starting May thirty one. Um, I'm constantly trying to be broken at and so I created the show. I was like, what can I do that is inspirational but also is entertaining where I'm the idiot, So I've found people. For example, there is a guy named Ralph who lost both of his legs serving in Afghanistan. A bomb hit him. But he's won. He won the gold medal on the U S Olympic Paralympic hockey team. He took the team, they went, they beat Canada, they did the whole thing. So I went and played against them. And I've never I don't know hockey U from Arkansas. I've never been on a sled and these guys don't have legs and they're all over the place and they beat me up hard. But it was could I score a goal in a whole game? I'm slow? But I'm also sharing his story, right, So it's so it's a story sharing, and then it's me experiencing either their talent, their job, their skill, and then competing in it and so and to see if Bobby scores, y'all make sure you tune into the show. I don't know. That's the first episode, it will come out on that Geo channel internationally on on on that night, but then it gets loaded Disney Plus the next day. The deep Sea Fishing is a guy who lives on his boat and goes out into San Francisco to the open waters as far as the um. For us, we didn't get to go that far because only had three days to shoot. He usually travels twenty hours or so on that boat to get to a spot and then stays out there drags four We did halibut, and we'll bring him back. And he's supporting multiple kids and me and his wife and kids. But he's to get to come home because it's not a glamorous job. Lives in this tiny spot. Has been through a lot in his life. His brother died um in a boat got run over by a big ship. So it's his story, but it's also me trying to I was trying to catch five pounds of hell of it. Running the boat rough Tudays was awful. Yeah, I did. A blind kayaker who got shot in the face, lost his vision, completely blind, but he kayaks through white water. We went to Idaho exactly. It's it's freaking crazy. Uh. This farmer named p J. His great grandfather was the first emancipated slave to buy land in the county. But they've kept it the entire time. And so I went with him to learn his family story and to try to farm. You know, so many acres of corn. That's rough. It is hard, for sure, but that's what it is. So every episode, sixteen episodes, a little bit about farmer his family of potato farmers. Did you guys know of each other at all back home? No, But it's so funny. I remember the first time I met Chuck. It was in Nashville. I kind of freaked out because like, growing up in Delaware, Chuck Hicks, Chuck Wicks was the hero. Um, I messed with him. Now to dude, I think I'm a little bit more famous from Delaware. I think I'm a little bit more famous on the Delaware Total pole now. But uh yeah, Chuck was the man. Like like I knew who he was. He played baseball at smyrna UM. Then when he got into music and stuff and everybody knew he was moving to Nashville, I knew about him, and you know, so still listen Torella when he's danced with the Stars, you know the celebrities he dated or whatever. It was, like, dude, Chuck is living. Um. So when I got a chance to meet him in Nashville, we just clicked right away. We're in a bowling league together. Now, we we're both heavy. Do you bowl at his level? I'm a little under Chucked. He's trying to be pro. Yeah, So in order to be a pro, you gotta have a two average and a sanctioned league. Chuck's average right now is like to ten. I think my average is like one nine. But we bowl a lot. We're learning different oral patterns and all that stuff. That's crazy. There's different oil patterns. Like there's a pro shot and there's a house shot. Three different times I appro shot. I don't know any holes on the ball. It's it's crazy. So, like what makes the ball hook is dry. The oil stops the ball from hooking. So a lot of times when you just go to a bowling alley, like where you see the arrows and stuff, we're going to diamonds, they're like, um, that's where it's oily. It's typically oily from the middle to like the last two boards on the outside. Then the oil normally stops like twenty ft before uh, before it gets to the pens, and that's when you see the ball really hook and stuff like that. Then we learned the different between house balls and different The black widow ball got the best. It's dude bowling and so fun. You can't be honest for a second. I checked out. I don't know, Yeah, I saw you check out. I'm just I started nerding out when it comes to bowling recently. All right, listen, I'm gonna let you go. I appreciate you coming. By way, we haven't done this since the very beginning. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's a very very beginning. You came to the other place and we did it upstairs, and I got the calls gonna be on it. I was like, hey, yeah, let's goes like it's been a while. I appreciate that. I appreciate you just in general. I think you're for Nashville, just when you stand for and to not even country music artists, but to show people listen, you don't have to just do one thing. If you don't just want to do one thing, you can specialize if you want, or you can specialize in a lot of things if you want. So that's cool. All right, Jimmy Allen at Jimmy Allen, there you go. Alright, So it's Grammy Weekend, which the Grammy is the most prestigious award. It's also kind of the dumbest award at the same time because it's not really voting. You vote, and if they want to change their mind, they do. But man is a band. If you win one or an artist, it's a huge deal. It is a huge deal, but it just isn't indicative of real life. It's a huge deal and it becomes indict It makes people feel like, oh wow, they are really good. They want to Grammy. However, the people nominated sometimes they're just nominated for bullcrap reasons. It is the weirdest, worst system. It is the most unrealistic award that represents really nothing except cool people picking cool people. That being said, it's still the biggest award, you know. So the Grammys are coming up. As you can tell, I have a really love hate relationship with Grammy. It's the biggest, most prestigious award that you can get in music, and then in the country genre. It's tough too, because you know the people that are deserving to the for the big, big awards, and sometimes they don't even get nominated because it is the cool guy club. A panel will go, you know what, here's who we're gonna put up for it. A panel, Yeah, that's based in wherever, Nashville or Los Angeles, And and then they'll get the results, and if they don't fully agree with the results as they can just go, you know what, let's do somebody different. I didn't know that, which sucks. So I have your country artist with the most Grammy wins. After I'm just like, you know, whats vote? It still is a real thing. Are there a lot of modern country artists in this list? Are they all legends? It's kind of mix. We'll start at number Alarice Scott at number eleven. She's won nine Grammy Awards. Lady Annabellum also her Christian albums. Cheryl Crowe also has won nine Grammy Awards. Which, again, do you consider Chryl Crow country? I really don't either. I know that she's kind of over in this space now, and I don't consider her a country artist because I grew up with Cherryl Crow, loving her when she was in country listen to this stuff. But I guess you know she's had she had picture with Kid Rock. We played that on a pop station. Though it's Alred. You're trying to convince yourself right now, I know, but I just love her music so much. Bonnie Rate comes in at number ten Grammy Awards. Boy, that's tough too. I don't see her as a country artist me either at all. Yeah, you know, pop a little bit or blues Americana. What's the what's the triple A they call that? Is that just a radio it's a radio form, but all that mix would fit in Triple A U At number eight on the list is Linda Ronstadt. Linda Ronstad with Tin Awards, yea before me, honestly wait before me too. Roger Miller has eleven Grammys. Dan There, tig Rule Band, Hang Me from My Eyes, Tree one one, What's Your Week for Me? So I like King of the Road. Yeah, and he was maybe one of the first crossover stars to do it. Number six the Chicks. They've won twelve Grammys Contemporary, so as you can see, it's a bit of both. Emma Lou Harris has won. She's for sure country for sure, no doubt on that one. Same thing with Ricky Sca although someone go, he's blue grass, that's your boy. But yeah, he's won fifteen Grammy Awards. Man, I know, you know cool people. But one time we were at the Opry and Ricky Skaggs watch walks by our dressing room and he looks and the b and I'm just like, what is happening here? Like how do you know him? So? Well? Yeah, he's great. It just talks to you like you guys are buds. And the whole time I'm like, man, I can't believe this guy's talking to me like we're buds. That's so cool. Alison crossing Union Station two Grammy Awards that they've won fourteen Grammys over twenty five years. She's the number three on the list. At number two is Vince Ago with twenty one Grammys. Wow. Can you imagine going to Vince Gill's house and he has which is all over in the kitchen, living room, like turning blunders, just the doorstop not now. He's done a lot out of different stuff. He does bluegrass as well. Right, Vince Gill is the top Grammys winner when it comes to country men, with twenty one awards. His most recent recent one was two thousand seventeen. Who do you think number one is? Garth? Top ten Um Grammy's Grammys Johnny Cash, No, it's kind of a trick question. She's won twenty seven Grammys, seven Grammys twin the trick question. Why is it a trick question? For sure? She's country, but she also won what Dolly? She also won with the band, and so it's a mix of band and Soloh. I don't know, man like what direct? Like, give me, give me a direction. What's the direction, Mike, I don't know. You can tell them without telegoya. She was also in the list earlier she was Lady No, that was Hillary Hillary. It's as a just her herself. It's Alison Kross Alison Cross because she has fourteen with Union Station and she has otherwise, so she has twenty seven Grammy Awards. That's amazing. You know, I probably would have guess fifty people before I guess Alison Cross being the most decorated Grammy Award winner of all time. Have you met her? No, I've been close to her, meaning we walked by each other at the opery. But I'm never gonna stop anybody. So yeah, because she's uber, uber famous, you know, and I'd never met her or anything like that, and I just she's not even one that I think of of like being such a huge country artist. But now that you say that, of course she deserves all those She's awesome. The Alison Krause, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Yeah, that was massive, that was huge, and that that probably won a bunch of awards, right, did that? Mike? Do you know if they want any Grammys together just for that record, like Record of the Year. Didn't you see Robert Plant? I saw him many times in Austin, like walking around Whole Food Food. By the way, Robert Planning is a lead singer of Led Zeppelin. Jimmy Page is a guitarist. But I got him confused for a second. But Robert Planning in the lead singer at the time. I believe he was hanging out in Austin a lot because he was dating Patty Griffin, Griffith Griffin, Patty Griffin. I don't know what's what it is, but anyway, they were dating. So he was in Austin all the time, and you would hear people like, oh, I saw Robert Plant, robber playing here, and I was a Whole Foods and I saw him in his shorts, flip flops and a basket and long hair. Right, Oh dude, it's it's it's Robert Plant from led Zeppelin. Still the hair is curly and long down small of his back. Pretty pretty cool, Mike. What did you find out? Yeah, they swept that year. They won five categories. Yeah, that's a massive record. I remember them playing a c l in Austin and that was a big deal. You never saw Robert Plant around. He was just one of those things where we were like, yeah, I saw him at the park Man. Pretty crazy. That would be crazy. Like living legend. Yes, when it us to living legends in music, let's go back and forth. The name who we think are living legends of music, right, that are alive? Paul McCartney the first, Right, let's just put all the Beatles are alive, Paul McCartney and Ringo's right, even though ring Good arguably one of the Beatles. So I'll go Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, living members of led Zeppelin, Mick Jagger, all the Rolling Stones, all all those guys. Although I don't know the drummer, I don't think i'd recognize him. Mick is that Mick Jones. I don't know, um soon the drummer is of the Rolling Stones, Mick is it? Mick Well? There there's Keith Richards and then there's Ronnie wood Well. I recognize all those three and the rest of the guys have no idea Mike did. The drummer of the Rolling Stones is let's see living legends. Boy, Then you get into this lane of Dave Grohl. I mean yeah, I mean he was in Nirvana. You can't forget that part the most influential band of the nineties of a whole decade, and then turned it into a massive, long lasting, multi Grammy platinum The Food Fighters. I mean, I wouldn't put him there yet. I know he's gonna be there just because he's younger. He's on that younger spectrum, because there's no worry that unless there's a sudden accident, like, there's no worry that Dave's gonna be gone soon. So I wouldn't put him as like a living I might though, I'm my he's right on that because he's gotta be in his fifties, is he? Yeah? Yeah, for sure. All those guys in their fifties. How about the living legend debate? How about I think Chris Martin is too young for sure, way too young. I think he could be there in years. He's going to be a legend. How about from Queen the Guitarist. Oh gosh, if you have to go, what's his name again? Are they a living legend? Yeah? But you see him and you know who he is. I'm gonna go no, you can say yes, I don't. I mean, I'll say yes because when I saw him at I heart Fest in Vegas, I mean it's pretty like I know exactly who that is. And that's a living legend right there. Okay Stevie Nicks, Yes, living legend man. I was just about to say Tom Petty because I forgot that he died dead legend Willie Nelson. No debate living legend Garth Brooks, because I don't know that Garth is much older than sixty. If he is even sixty, yeah see. And if you guard's the biggest American art yeah, he's six. How's Dave, girl, we looked it out. I'm about you. Okay. See, men, they're too young to me. Even though Garth is the biggest selling artist in American history, there's no doubt that he's going to be a living legend. I think Garth's already living legend. I mean, I I don't disagree with you that much where I'm gonna say like, no way, So I mean, I'm I'm on the boarder line with him. Who are we missing for living legend? Mike Steven Tyler? Oh yeah, Steven Tyler is a freaking living legend for sure, and nice guy. I mean when he walked into our studio, that one, that's awesome. It's one of those rare moments where I was like, I cannot believe this is happening. There's only been a couple of those. The first time met Garth Steven Tyler. Who else came in here? Um that might know Dolly, Oh Dolly, of course Dolly. Who else we're missing might do like Ozzy Osbourne? Mm hmm. I don't know about legend. I feel like he would have been, but almost like when you joined a reality show like that, like it just kind of loses. Maybe it's because we know too much about him at this point. Now we know all his kids, we know his wife, we know everything. A lot of these other living legends were talking about, we don't know that much about him, so there's this mystique. It's an interesting theory. I think that he just although they were a big band in the eighties, seventies and eighties, they don't really have a lot of songs that have just lasted the test of time. Where Queen has the Beatles have what he I am iron man, I don't forget no More to No More Tears. That was nineties border line. But I'm gonna go no on Ozzy Osborne. Oh Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, even though I'm not a Bruce Springsteen guy, I still see what he does to people. And he's in his sixties. Maybe I caught off point of sixty, like you gotta be sixty year older and have to define an era of music. I've been listening to old Bruce lately and just kind of just I don't know, after his whole thing in the d w A or whatever, I started just listening to old stuff. Dude. It's so so, so good, and it makes it makes you realize just someone's growth and how awesome they were at the very beginning to just keep being awesome. And he still produces really good music, and he's just he's just really cool to me. I just have never spent any time. It was not big. Where I grew up, it was all nineties country, and for me it was alternative and that turned into hip hop, and I just never except for Born in the USA or Dancing in the Dark, I'd never invested enough time Born to run. It's really good stuff. So I think our cutoff is gonna be sixty and above. And they've had to define an era of music. Are you fine with that rule? Yeah, of course we're missing anybody else? You say, Bob Dylan, Oh of course, I'm not a Bob Dylan guy, but I will agree with that. Then then you don't want Bobs a living legends? Okay, But then how about someone like Neil Young. He'd be a living legend. And I'm you know, I do like him. I wouldn't pay to go watch Neil Young show. And I have to think to myself, is he's still alive? He's still alive? Yeah, I think he's married a really young girl. So Tony Bennett, Oh yeah, living legend, living legend. Anybody else we're missing? I think that's all the big ones on who's on the precipice of being a living legend in the next twenty years? Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day. I thought about him for sure. Dave Girl will put him in the next up list. Garth's not sixty yet, so we're gonna put Garth there. According to our new rule. You're gonna hate me on this one. I go Taylor Taylor Swift on the way, I hate you. Sure, great. She's so young though, I just love her. She's awesome. Six You have to be sixty and she's like thirty, right, yeah, And I just I just feel like I agree. But he's gonna she's gonna keep doing it. If she quits, like in the next five years, then she may not because I mean how she's not going to question. She's too good and probably to inspire. Agree, that's weird to pick somebody so young, but again, I guess if you've been killing it since you're sixteen, like she would get into the Hall of Fame if she quit, right now? What about um what you're getting? Rappers though, too right, There aren't a lot of rappers who are old, old old because rap only become became extremely popular in the late eighties. With it obviously was a growing format, but with run Dy mc beast boys like when it crossed over to pop, so you're not seeing a lot of really old rappers yet. Jay Z will be there, Snoop La cool J like those old guys. Snoop is still doing it. Snoop is basically Tim McGraw of hip hop for sure, like he was around back then. People don't even realize Snoop was on trial for murder and they're like, man, what's up with Snoop? Like he's just a cartoon character rapper who does do you know? Did car TV shows and it's funny. No, no, no, he was on trial for murder. Yes, Snoop for sure, I mean Dr Dre any other legends on the edge. This obviously wasn't even to talk about, but it's kind of like it. I mean, Chris Martin will be there. Um. John Mayer, Oh, I mean he's my favorite. I mean he can again, he can live in legend. Eric Clapton, good one. Yeah, do you remember that? I thought about John Ayron, I thought about great guitar players in there are live. Eric Clapton did it multiple times. He did what Food Fighters did, where he went from Cream the Birds a solo artist. He had three generations. Pretty cool of being in a big band. Yeah, that's really impressive. Okay, well that's what we're talking about. You know, we're gonna end this and I'm just gonna keep thinking about Jim Bufet. Obviously didn't bring him up. I'm living legend. You didn't bring him up as a as a legend. He stands on his own like it's just to me, he's not even a musician. But then you have that whole nineties rock band group like R. E. M Right is Michael Stipe. Will he end up being a living legend? I'm kidding, live in legend. I was listening to a podcast on Temple of the Dog. Oh yeah, what podcast is that? Where it would tell me later so you don't promote on that where it was basically at one point and as they were playing it was Eddie vetter Um Chris Novicell like the basis from Nirvana and Dave Girl who playing drums, and it was basically a Nirvana with with somebody else there, basically a Nirvana band with that's the earliest the Temple of the Dog. It's one of the versions. Yeah, it's it's very it's a very cool story. Pearl Jams singer was the singer yes, but as it switched in and out. At one point it was basically a Nirvana with Eddie Vetters the lead singer. That was Eddie Vetter's first, first, first like taste of being on a big record because he was the Pearl Jam. Was it just they weren't even on a record label yet. They had recorded that and they say, hey, you're the new lead singer of Pearl Jam. Why don't you come sing on this record with us? I'm going hungry. I mean that's when everyone heard that voice is just like whoa, that voice is different, like who is that? And then here it comes Pearl Jam. Pretty cool, pretty cool? Pretty cool? All right, that's it, Thank you guys,