Episode 90 - The Hauntings of The Waverly Hills Sanatorium

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<v Speaker 1>[inaudible]

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome back to another episode of the lunatics radio hour podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Abby banker.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here with Alan Kadin.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>And today we are talking about Waverly Hills sanatorium.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got to say, I loved your intro on that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>It was literally the same intro I do every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this one was special quickly at the star.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to give a quick content warning.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to talk about these things like very graphically or a lot, but they're going to be mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>So just a quick content warning for suicide and for abortions with Ellery talking about today.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have sort of a hybrid sort of episode for you today.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's going to be part history, but also part firsthand paranormal encounter.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's almost like a history episode and a real scary stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode baked into one because we have so much to offer so much to offer.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's how it's going to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Alan and I, as, as per usual, we're going to talk through the history right.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Waverly Hills sanatorium.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we're going to pass the mic if you will, to Bob and Robin have, you know, Bob, he's been on the show many a time, but Bob Dawn, Bob Don of Bob short story hour and hidden Oaks podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And Robin and Bob are going to tell you about their personal firsthand unexplainable experiences that they had when they were visiting Waverley Hills.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They also have some cool history that they talk about a little bit at the beginning, but the it's really focused on the experiences that they had there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a perfect pairing.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I know nothing

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<v Speaker 2>About this place.

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<v Speaker 2>Great.

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<v Speaker 2>And I, I do want to say spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 2>They do have several unexplainable experiences there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty good at explaining.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, we'll, we'll see what you have to say.

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<v Speaker 2>So sources for today, we have a Buzzfeed unsolved video on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a lecture by the Filson historical society, and I will say this lecture was incredibly insightful and very cold, like a zoom lecture.

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<v Speaker 2>They did last year in COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, we have Bob and Robin's firsthand experiences and we have Wikipedia.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The Waverly Hills sanatorium opened its stores in 1910 in Louisville, Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>It was constructed as a treatment hospital for tuberculosis patients though, at the time it was built.

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<v Speaker 2>It was actually outside Louisville before the city sort of was developed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still not quote unquote like in the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's because it's on a hunt over like a hundred acres of land surrounded by forest.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's much closer to the limits.

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<v Speaker 2>I think now than it was when it was originally constructed, it was like out in the country was the idea, right?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's regardless, it is like the country because of the space of the land, but right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how, like you can go to like LA and they'll have like giant pockets of, uh, like trees and mountains and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And just simply because if things have developed that way,

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of similar to how Greenwood cemetery in Brooklyn was the country, but now it's like smack dab in the middle of Oakland, New York.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the interesting, the landscape of the area, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of like the whole Louisville area, sadly was perfect for the tuberculosis virus.

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<v Speaker 2>Why the wetlands fostered the growth of the bacteria, which only helped it spread faster in Kentucky, in the early 19 hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>It was terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So patients would live at Waverley Hills for anywhere from a few weeks to years, depending on the success of the quote unquote treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>Or, and I say, quote unquote, because this was really before, uh, you know, like germ theory was still being debated.

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<v Speaker 2>This is before this is before there was a vaccine for, for tuberculosis.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of stuff that they try that sort of like what we would call now, holistic medicine.

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<v Speaker 3>I would also imagine that their length of stay was strongly influenced by how much tuberculosis they had.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I mean, it was dependent on how quickly they were killed by it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That is, that is the joke.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the patient's rooms in the original hospital usually fit two beds and the staff were actually able to drag the beds to the sun porches.

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<v Speaker 2>So they would sort of drag the patients around because a big thing we're going to talk about today that they thought fresh air and sun were treatments for tuberculosis.

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<v Speaker 2>So the reason why a lot of these facilities or hospitals were built in these like wide open outdoor country areas was because they thought that the fresh air, uh, was healing.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, you know, in Connecticut, I've been to some abandoned tuberculosis hospitals, and they're all like along the shore, it's kind of the same idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see some of those, uh, explorations on our YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 3>What exactly is tuberculosis?

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's like, it's like a lung disease.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about it pretty extensively in one minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I I'm, I'm very fortunate to not, I think we're all very fortunate to need reminders on like what tuberculosis

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>So in 1912 outdoor pavilions were added to the hospital and some patients were actually kept intense on the property because again, it was this idea of being outside and there, they were able to have more patients in these kind of outdoor tents.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>The hospital was built on a hill with the intention of a keeping a patient away from other people in town and be providing fresh, clean air for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So in 1915, Waverly Hills had 170 beds for patients and exactly to your question on about tuberculosis.

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<v Speaker 2>I also felt like this has come up a lot recently, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Between Edgar Allen Poe and some of the, the landmarks I've come across when doing videos for our YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to take a second to define it and talk about tuberculosis for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Great.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>As you said, it's an airborne bacterial infection that took an estimated 2 billion lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa.

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<v Speaker 2>It can affect many parts of the body, which I didn't realize.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was specifically lungs, but it's most famous for eating away at the lungs.

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<v Speaker 2>Pulmonary tuberculosis was very common and that's what affects the respiratory system.

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<v Speaker 2>I see.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's mostly spread through talking or sneezing and it can survive in the air for hours in the 18 hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>One out of every seven people in the us died from tuberculosis.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also called TB obviously, or the white plague, the white plague because TB is so contagious.

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<v Speaker 2>Waverly actually became somewhat of a closed ecosystem, meaning that they had their own post office.

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<v Speaker 2>They raised their own animals and they would grow their own food.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy cow.

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<v Speaker 2>And the staff lived on site.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's stuff

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<v Speaker 3>Back in there in tuberculosis city, right this terrible

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<v Speaker 2>Five years before we really opened.

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<v Speaker 2>So just a little bit of scene setting here.

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<v Speaker 2>The Louisville anti-tuberculosis association was founded in 1905.

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<v Speaker 2>There were various branches to this group, which oversaw different goals of the organization.

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<v Speaker 2>One of which was to establish and maintain sanatoria, which I learned as the plural of sanitorium.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting one interesting tidbit, another branch of this organization focused on education, teaching people, how germs worked with an emphasis on spitting, which apparently was like a huge habit at the time, there was a big spitting culture.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's literature that I saw, like historical literature that was distributed to convince people to use handkerchiefs or spittoons for spitting, especially if they have TB, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Because spitting up blood and phlegm is a side effect of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I

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<v Speaker 3>See.

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<v Speaker 3>So they naturally thought it was passed with

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<v Speaker 2>Spit.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I mean, they're not wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's passed with coughing.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing though, is that handkerchiefs.

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<v Speaker 2>And then part of this was like, okay, everyone, if you're gonna spit spit into a handkerchief, handkerchiefs were actually a luxury at the time and paper products weren't invented yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it was kind of like a big ask to ask people to use these, these things that they didn't have access to.

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<v Speaker 2>Why were handkerchiefs a luxury because it was fabric, it was a textile.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you were someone who wasn't wealthy, you didn't just have access to handkerchiefs.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So as part of this, the organization lobbied for an anti spitting ordinance that was passed in Louisville.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you are caught spitting in public, you could have been fined.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the spitting

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<v Speaker 2>Tacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, I think we should invoke it right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now in New York city, I hate spitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Another tidbit I found out from the historical society lecture is that at the time most hospitals and medical offices in Louisville were racially divided, meaning entire facilities would be dedicated to either treating white patients or black patients.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, good old segregation.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to the obvious problems with that, there was a lot less care, a lot less hospitals that were available to black patients.

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<v Speaker 2>The care that they had was less quality.

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<v Speaker 2>There was longer lines, uh, for like less, you know, space.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, there was a lot of reasons why that was extremely problematic, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, uh, as part of this lecture, there was actually images of a dispensary, which is what they call this sort of outpost for diagnosing patients in Louisville.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was on Chestnut street in the early 19 hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was open to all races.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can see in this photo, you know, all kinds of people sitting, waiting to be diagnosed.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was kind of like this big rarity.

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<v Speaker 2>So Waverly Hills had a few, uh, stipulations to who could be a patient there.

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<v Speaker 2>It only served a local patients from Louisville or Jefferson county.

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<v Speaker 2>It was publicly funded and provided free treatment and stays to all patients.

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<v Speaker 2>And it provided treatment for both black and white patients.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it gendered?

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<v Speaker 2>It was all genders.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what a modern all-inclusive sanitorium?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it wasn't entirely modern because as we'll see in a second, the black patients still had to only had available beds in a smaller hospital on site.

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<v Speaker 2>So they were still segregated within the hospital, but they did allow black patients to be treated there, which is like, you're out, you're a publicly funded hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, come on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it was,

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<v Speaker 3>It was free.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is funded by taxpayer dollars?

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<v Speaker 2>I assume.

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<v Speaker 2>So on October 17th, 1926, the hospital was renovated and expanded due to an overflow of patients.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you look at photos of the hospital, they're sort of this large, it has like this large iconic, like five story structure with a tower on top.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the new building, the original hospital was very small.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the original hospital that's small, I think it fit like 170 patients or so that became the hospital for black patients and the new structure, which was, again, five stories.

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<v Speaker 2>State-of-the-art, we'll get into it that fit around four to 500 patients.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can already see sort of the divide right between white patients have access to up to 500 beds that are, you know, modern and all of these things.

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<v Speaker 2>And the smaller hospital onsite had only 170 and that's all that that was available because black patients, even if there were beds available and the white hospital had to be segregated to this other building, of course they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the renovations included adding a bakery, a theater, a library, along with other amenities, like a radio connection to every bed,

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<v Speaker 3>A radio connection.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume they would, they could listen to their little, that was their entertainment at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>They installed a radio in the beds.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>I was wondering what they, what each bed it was transmitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Where they could, they could actually see right.

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<v Speaker 2>It said radio connection in the source that it was reading.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not really sure what that means exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But the idea was that they had access to listen to the radio at every single bed,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that they had little radios plugged in, but due to the, either remote the, either the remoteness of the hospital or just the, the way that the place was constructed, little antennas on an, on a radio wouldn't fly.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So they probably just plugged into something which went to a big antenna on the roof.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was basically RF distribution for the individual receivers.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels very Bioshock.

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<v Speaker 3>My parents had an intent on the roof because we have bad reception.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can just plug in your whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>After the introduction of the TB vaccine, we have really Hills was closed in 1961.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The exact number of patients who died at Waverley Hills during its active years is unknown.

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<v Speaker 2>But most estimate that it's in the tens of thousands because of the extreme amount of death that happened here, there's something called the body shoot on the ground switch, which Bob and Robin talk about as the tunnel, when we play their tape.

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<v Speaker 2>Just so you have the connection to what they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm just trying to picture this for a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me describe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tunnel.

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<v Speaker 2>That's about 500 feet long.

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<v Speaker 2>It has an incline to it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like stairs, I think, along the edge, but there's a definite incline incline or decline.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends which way you're coming.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was used to hold bodies so that the patients and the staff weren't exposed to all of these dead bodies, like all the time, what the hell?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it was obviously like mentally affecting people to see all of this

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<v Speaker 3>Death.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So just roll them down a 500 foot tunnel, right

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get into the paranormal activity and hauntings at Waverly, I do want to take a moment to reflect on something that's important.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause the rest of the episode is really going to turn into a exploration of some of the darker things that happen there.

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<v Speaker 2>And also these paranormal experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's been named, you know, by like all of the ghost hunting shows like the most haunted place in America.

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<v Speaker 2>It really has that reputation.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Besides I think Eastern state penitentiary in Pennsylvania, I think these two are kind of tied for that title.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, what about the Amityville horror

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<v Speaker 2>House that one's up there too?

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<v Speaker 2>Same with the Stanley hotel, but they're kind of like, these are like the hitters when it comes to haunted locations in the U S

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<v Speaker 3>W what I mean, I'm just asking very irrelevant questions, but once you do so that's the U S yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a unanimously agreed upon most haunted place in the world?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is off the top of my head, but there's probably, I would say heavy hitters globally in the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>First thing that comes to mind is like the suicide forest in Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>Something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think certainly probably has the reputation, but it's also hard, I think, to have global consensus about something like that, because regions are so specific with their folklore and the history of those places.

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<v Speaker 2>So how would you say this place in India rivals this place in Kentucky?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think it's hard to, one-to-one it interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>And I, I had a curiosity.

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<v Speaker 3>I just Googled and yeah, there's, there's a good spread.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot are in the us and UK.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, but there's a handful of places in India and Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're listening from a non us location, we'd love to hear the most haunted place in your country.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>And right on this list is Waverly Hills sanatorium.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're going to hear this sentiment, I think echoed in Bob and Robin's testimony, but I wanted to call it out here too, besides the fact that we really saw a lot of death and suffering, which again, we're going to cover, it really was a community.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see in the hundreds of historic photos that the Filson historical society has, how happy and playful a lot of the staff and patients were.

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<v Speaker 2>They obviously created really strong bonds with other people, especially when they were feeling well.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of photos of them out on the grounds, playing on the playgrounds, on the slides of women, dressing up as men and taking silly photos.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does come across.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, you know, some of them come across as like staged or, or there's some less like, you know, appealing photos, less happy photos.

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<v Speaker 2>But just wanted to, to note that like this was a bad situation and there was a lot of experimental surgeries in medicine we're going to talk about in a minute that are pretty tough.

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<v Speaker 2>But the root of it was that these doctors were trying to help these people.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And they didn't know better.

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<v Speaker 2>They were trying their best to help them.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were really dedicating because they had to live on this facility.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone was really dedicating their lives to be there and to, you know, to help these people survive this terrible epidemic that was killing billions of people.

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<v Speaker 2>So just to say, like, it's not inherently like an evil torture chamber type place, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It, it was, there was a lot of really happy memories.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people who are totally isolated because of this disease couldn't work, how to community had people.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the patients actually ended up working at the hospital, um, which gave them employment or they couldn't find it elsewhere because they were sick.

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<v Speaker 2>So it really, there was a lot of really positive things that happened there too, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Tons of people did die there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Bob and Robin are about to say this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean to steal their, their facts, but I think they heard on the tour that up to one person an hour, we're dying at certain points.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about some of the darker side, the paranormal sightings, some of the rumors from the sanitorium.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And there is a heavy side to some of the treatments that patients received there for tuberculosis, including electroshock therapy used when doctors believed that the plague had spread to a patient's head.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh geez, shock, shock the germs out of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, also doctors tried surgeries and other alternative or experimental procedures to treat tuberculosis, for example, one procedure where they would pump air into the lungs in an effort to inflate them in order to allow the lung time to quote unquote rest or heal.

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<v Speaker 2>They also extracted parts of the lungs that they thought were infected by tuberculosis.

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<v Speaker 2>They thought that they could cut it out of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was stuff like that that was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing that didn't work so well.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>One recurring claim that visitors experience is the sound of children's laughter and there's this entire children's, there's like a children's pavilion.

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<v Speaker 2>There's different parts of the hospital that were dedicated to patients who are children.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one child specifically who people believe his spirit is still there named Timmy to me.

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<v Speaker 2>And Timmy likes to play with, uh, with little rubber balls.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bob and Robert are going to talk about that when we play their tape, but that's something that a lot of people experienced there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's actually interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So Billy take what you will, from what I'm about to say, but in the Buzzfeed unsolved video, that where they actually go, they stay there.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like a ghost hunters type thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They have some interesting experiences where they take a blue ball.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to kind of tempt the ghost of Timmy to play with them and they throw it down a passageway and you can hear it kind of like stop and then bounce again.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they go down to look at where it is and they threw it like straight down a long hallway.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it ended up randomly to the left and one of the side rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, so again, you know, take what that, what you will, but, uh, Bob and Robin also have an experience around this.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that your first mistake is trying to attempt a kid with a ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe he likes it.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to use an Xbox kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Love the Xbox,

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<v Speaker 2>Especially kids from 1910.

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<v Speaker 2>You give a kid for

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<v Speaker 3>1910 and X-Box, he's going to time his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Some visitors see faces and figures.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's one particular claim where a visitor saw a man in a white lab coat and they disappeared into a treatment room on the fourth floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, again, very common things like slamming doors when there's no wind people, a lot of instances of people occurring in photos or no one was standing and where we are going to have, uh, some physical evidence to present on that topic.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can check out lunatics, project.com and click on updates or on our Instagram we'll post those photos.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Are these personal photos,

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<v Speaker 2>Bob and Robin photos?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>They have this bookie

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<v Speaker 2>Photos.

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<v Speaker 2>They have proof.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got proof.

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<v Speaker 3>They got proof.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my

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<v Speaker 2>Goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the most recurring experiences is what is known as shadow people all over the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, and so one of the active rooms for paranormal activity and sightings is the morgue as expected, which is located on the first floor of the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>On the third floor, there was an incident after the hospitals already shut down.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So the after 1961 where a man experiencing homelessness and his dog fell down the elevator shaft and many visitors claim to see the ghost of the man and the dog, including the current owner of Waverly, Tina Mattingly, what

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<v Speaker 3>Is it?

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<v Speaker 3>What is a ghost dog look

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>So she sort of explained it like she, she was closing up for the night or whatever it was after all the tours she cause now, you know, obviously there's a lot of tours there.

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<v Speaker 2>She walked into an empty room, there was a dog on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>And so she was sort of like, you know, like, let's come on down.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, how'd you get in here, let's get you out.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was just gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it didn't like disappear in a spooky way.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it just was gone and she thinks it's the same dog.

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<v Speaker 2>But a lot of other visitors report that to speaking of Tina Mattingly, speaking of there is a nurse's room on the fourth floor of Waverley where Tina encountered a full body apparition and they actually caught this full bodied apparition on camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, lots of people all in really are able to walk away with sort of a physical evidence, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I really want to bring you there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't deny it.

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<v Speaker 2>Room 5 0 2 roof.

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<v Speaker 3>What does it sound familiar?

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<v Speaker 2>Because every haunted hospital and hotel has a room and this is the room at Waverly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's why again, kind of content warning.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the things I content content warning about or hap are about to happen right now in 1928, a nurse named Mary Hillenburg hanged herself outside of room 5 0 2.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So some believe that Mary actually became pregnant from one of the doctors at Waverly and died when he or she tried to perform a botched abortion.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was either a self abortion, or this doctor tried to try to abort the pregnancy, the suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a few different things.

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<v Speaker 2>But the theory that I heard was that the suicide was believed to be staged, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That the doctor kind of hanged her, made it, it looked like she had hanged herself in an effort to dispel the rumors.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob and Robin are about to actually talk about this too.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have an alternate theory to what they heard when they were visiting about this at one point, uh, security guards for, you know, for reasons unknown were sleeping on the fifth floor intense kind of to keep their eye on things and had strange experiences what year we know post like post-class 10 years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha.

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<v Speaker 2>So including hearing kids laughing during the night and feeling things hit or like thrown against their tent all night long, very similar to the Blair witch project in a way, you know, being in the tent and having like those forces outside the tent, that was kind of the vibe that I got.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it in 1932.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another incident with suicide near room 5 0 2.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>A nurse supposedly jumped off the fifth floor balcony, which is right outside room 5 0 2 and died.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I feel like I've teased this out quite enough.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to turn things over to Bob Dawn and Robin sand again of Bob short story hour and hidden Oaks to tell you about their firsthand experiences that Waverly and this happened this year.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's very recent, fresh on the mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to play the tape.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>[inaudible] hello listeners.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Robin.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is Bob.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, we're from Bob shirts, story hour and the hidden Oaks podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>And we are here today to talk about some real life paranormal stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>You may remember when I was with Colin and we talked about some other paranormal things, but I have some stories that I wanted to share that I couldn't do alone because Robin was with me when they happened and we wanted to be together for that retelling plus she's better at it than me.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's not true.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's totally true.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, uh, earlier this year we were on a road trip out in Kentucky and on the way back, you know, this part of the story is actually pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Um, yeah, that's probably the best part.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, just the logistics of what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>So we were looking for things to do on the fly, which is kind of like how the whole trip went.

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<v Speaker 4>Just finding random things as we went and on the way back, we were going to be driving through Louisville and driving, looking at the website for this Waverley Hills place.

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<v Speaker 4>And Robin was going to try to get us tickets to go to a tour there.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was totally booked out for like weeks.

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<v Speaker 4>That was very sad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Cause it was kind of a cool thing and weren't able to go.

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<v Speaker 4>So we ended up having dinner with John Cook and his wife and then we're driving and you give like sad puppy, dog guys, like, you know, can we still just like go through Louisville and maybe like drive by it and see it from the road and take a picture.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what we did.

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<v Speaker 4>And we pulled up and the security guard stopped us and he's just like, yeah, like what are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>We're like, well, we just wanted to drive by and see this sanitorium.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, you, you can't just drive by.

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<v Speaker 4>There's like tours going on and whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>We're like, well, we wanted to do a tour, but they're sold out.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's like, well, I can sell you a ticket for a tour, but it starts in like 10 minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>So whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we did that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>It was

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<v Speaker 5>Fantastic for making my dreams come

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<v Speaker 4>True.

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<v Speaker 4>It was incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>We got the chance to go in there and didn't think we would be able to all of that preamble to say what this place is.

00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:41.490
<v Speaker 4>So Waverly Hills in Louisville, uh, it, it got its name originally major.

00:27:41.490 --> 00:27:46.259
<v Speaker 4>Thomas Hayes purchased the land in 1883 as his own personal property.

00:27:46.349 --> 00:27:51.269
<v Speaker 4>He wanted a private school for his daughters to go to when they live there.

00:27:51.270 --> 00:27:58.019
<v Speaker 4>And so, uh, he built a one-room school house on the property and hired a local woman to come there and teach his family.

00:27:58.020 --> 00:28:02.730
<v Speaker 4>I think some other kids went there as well, but it was like a small, just private family school.

00:28:03.150 --> 00:28:08.549
<v Speaker 4>And, uh, the woman that he hired to come and teach was this person named Mrs.

00:28:08.550 --> 00:28:09.329
<v Speaker 4>Harris.

00:28:09.779 --> 00:28:14.970
<v Speaker 4>And she was extremely fond of Walter Scott's Waverley Hills novels.

00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:15.839
<v Speaker 4>So Mr.

00:28:15.840 --> 00:28:18.720
<v Speaker 4>Hayes ended up naming the property after that.

00:28:18.990 --> 00:28:22.619
<v Speaker 4>So he called it Waverley hill after her fondness for those books.

00:28:22.621 --> 00:28:24.599
<v Speaker 4>So that's kind of where that name comes anyway.

00:28:24.601 --> 00:28:25.470
<v Speaker 4>Fast forward.

00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 4>Now it's the early 19 hundreds.

00:28:27.121 --> 00:28:30.779
<v Speaker 4>Jefferson county has a massive outbreak of tuberculosis.

00:28:31.349 --> 00:28:32.940
<v Speaker 4>Uh, they called it the white plague.

00:28:33.329 --> 00:28:48.420
<v Speaker 4>And when city hospitals began to become overrun with TB patients, uh, into the 19 teens, like 19 11, 19 12, the city and the board, uh, there was apparently a board of TB hospitals.

00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:58.950
<v Speaker 4>They bought Waverley hill from this guy and they opened up a, like a tent city on the property to house 40 to 50 TB patients.

00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:12.539
<v Speaker 4>Or that was in 1912, over the next couple of years, they kept expanding that and building like wooden pavilions and caring for these people in basically like an outdoor field hospital, like you would in, in, in the military and stuff back then.

00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:21.390
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, true over the next couple of years, uh, they kept it, like I said, they were expanding that with, uh, different pavilions.

00:29:21.390 --> 00:29:32.460
<v Speaker 4>They built one that was just a pediatric pavilion and the number of patients they could care for out here in this field increased to about 130 to 150 patients total.

00:29:32.609 --> 00:29:43.710
<v Speaker 4>So they kept doing that for like another decade, just basically having this a hundred to 150 patient population being cared for on this hill outside of town.

00:29:44.490 --> 00:29:48.150
<v Speaker 4>And eventually the plague just continued to grow.

00:29:48.180 --> 00:30:01.619
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it lasted for decades in this area and it got to the point where the continued use was basically wearing down these structures and they thought, you know, we probably need to have people not just in tents and stuff.

00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:15.779
<v Speaker 4>And so the city and the TB hospital board spent a bunch of money and they built this big, five-story like huge hospital on the property in 1926, there they could house 400 to 500 TB patients.

00:30:16.109 --> 00:30:22.180
<v Speaker 4>And that I believe expanded after that first use even a little more, they added like a children's unit on the roof.

00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.299
<v Speaker 4>I don't think is included in that first five story plan.

00:30:25.450 --> 00:30:27.910
<v Speaker 4>But this place had like state of the art, medical treatments.

00:30:27.911 --> 00:30:31.869
<v Speaker 4>They had a full surgical suite there, you know, state-of-the-art for the time.

00:30:31.871 --> 00:30:32.079
<v Speaker 4>Right.

00:30:32.080 --> 00:30:38.170
<v Speaker 4>They had, they had like, well, they had like solariums that people could sit outside or like sit in the sun, but they had the rooms

00:30:38.170 --> 00:30:41.140
<v Speaker 5>Where they build the beds out into the other, gone to them,

00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:42.250
<v Speaker 4>The balconies and stuff.

00:30:42.849 --> 00:30:42.849
<v Speaker 4>They

00:30:42.849 --> 00:30:44.829
<v Speaker 5>Didn't like leave the beds, but what was

00:30:44.829 --> 00:30:45.460
<v Speaker 4>The other part?

00:30:45.461 --> 00:30:50.500
<v Speaker 4>They had the indoor, like tanning UV radiation stuff.

00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.200
<v Speaker 5>One of those rooms on every single floor,

00:30:53.559 --> 00:31:00.400
<v Speaker 4>Just a bunch of different things like that, which at the time was considered like cutting edge treatment for tuberculosis.

00:31:00.670 --> 00:31:02.230
<v Speaker 4>Um, and we'll get into a little bit of that.

00:31:02.230 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Speaker 4>I think in our story to talk about the surgical suite stuff maybe, or maybe we just talk about it now.

00:31:09.099 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 4>Uh, it was nearly, constantly full, pretty much the entire time that it was open basically between 1926 and the mid to late 1940s.

00:31:20.710 --> 00:31:38.410
<v Speaker 4>The reason why it ended up closing down was because, uh, 1943 introduced into medical treatment was streptomycin and then shortly thereafter, other antibiotics, which turns out treat and cure tuberculosis, not being in the sun.

00:31:38.619 --> 00:31:39.069
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:31:39.369 --> 00:31:39.730
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:31:40.150 --> 00:31:55.029
<v Speaker 4>Uh, talk therapy and being in the sun and fresh air and crystals and stuff, actual medicine and science cured this disease that was literally killing at some points in the height of this one patient per hour, for weeks at a time at this hospital.

00:31:55.089 --> 00:31:55.690
<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 4>Science and medicine.

00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:03.940
<v Speaker 4>But then yeah, that got introduced and gradually cases decreased until the hospital was just no longer needed.

00:32:03.941 --> 00:32:05.049
<v Speaker 4>It closed down.

00:32:05.259 --> 00:32:18.190
<v Speaker 4>Uh, like I said, in the late forties and the only time it reopened was between 1962 and 1982, when it was a, like an old folks home for 20 years, then it closed down and they were going to maybe reopen it as a prison, but that got shut down.

00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:22.660
<v Speaker 4>And now they do like ghost tours there and history her.

00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:24.789
<v Speaker 5>I was just going to say, they also do history tours there.

00:32:24.849 --> 00:32:32.619
<v Speaker 5>So if you didn't want to participate actively in the paranormal, they do two hour history tourists during the daylight hours.

00:32:33.130 --> 00:32:33.279
<v Speaker 5>But

00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:34.750
<v Speaker 4>The ghost tours are at night.

00:32:34.809 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 4>We did like a, was it two

00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:36.549
<v Speaker 5>Hours?

00:32:36.700 --> 00:32:37.599
<v Speaker 5>It was two hours.

00:32:37.601 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 5>And it started at 10:00 PM.

00:32:40.029 --> 00:32:40.720
<v Speaker 5>It was really cool.

00:32:40.779 --> 00:32:41.829
<v Speaker 5>And it was so cool.

00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 4>So why don't I talked a lot at the beginning.

00:32:45.700 --> 00:32:49.329
<v Speaker 4>Why, why don't you start talking about what?

00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 4>So we got there, we went into the gift shop, bought our tickets, and then we had to like run in the building to meet this huge group of people.

00:32:57.309 --> 00:32:57.730
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:32:57.789 --> 00:32:59.049
<v Speaker 5>There was, it was a big group.

00:32:59.050 --> 00:33:00.670
<v Speaker 5>So then they split us in half.

00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:03.460
<v Speaker 5>Um, and our tour guide was awesome.

00:33:03.490 --> 00:33:05.859
<v Speaker 5>I am terrible, terrible at names.

00:33:06.430 --> 00:33:07.809
<v Speaker 5>So I don't remember.

00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:08.500
<v Speaker 4>Oh gosh,

00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:12.339
<v Speaker 5>She was so cool and very knowledgeable.

00:33:12.340 --> 00:33:15.490
<v Speaker 5>And again, I would take it to her with her any day.

00:33:16.029 --> 00:33:17.359
<v Speaker 5>Sorry, forget your name.

00:33:17.509 --> 00:33:19.250
<v Speaker 5>Ma'am and we were spoiled.

00:33:19.250 --> 00:33:24.230
<v Speaker 5>We got to start out in the basement, which actually was the tunnel.

00:33:24.500 --> 00:33:31.970
<v Speaker 5>Unfortunately, the last place, a lot of the patients, while they didn't actually get to see it, that's where the bodies were taken out.

00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:32.420
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:33:32.450 --> 00:33:40.099
<v Speaker 4>Pretty much the whole basement was either like the morgue on the one end where we actually ended the tour, but the place where we started.

00:33:40.730 --> 00:33:40.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:33:40.881 --> 00:33:45.049
<v Speaker 4>It was like a tunnel that wasn't originally there.

00:33:45.050 --> 00:33:45.410
<v Speaker 4>Right.

00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.599
<v Speaker 4>I don't think they originally used it as that.

00:33:47.630 --> 00:33:50.359
<v Speaker 5>No, it was originally like how they brought food in and out.

00:33:51.289 --> 00:34:05.839
<v Speaker 5>Um, but eventually because they were losing a patient in hour and it was decreasing the morale of all the other patients that were there, they decided to convert it and take the bodies out through this tunnel so nobody could see them.

00:34:06.500 --> 00:34:07.970
<v Speaker 5>And how many patients were dying.

00:34:08.179 --> 00:34:08.510
<v Speaker 5>Right.

00:34:08.750 --> 00:34:12.469
<v Speaker 4>They rigged up like a pulley system to, to move the carts down there and stuff.

00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:15.829
<v Speaker 4>It was pretty incredible and very cold.

00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:34:16.201 --> 00:34:17.119
<v Speaker 4>It was really cold.

00:34:17.179 --> 00:34:55.030
<v Speaker 4>We didn't walk all the way down, but it was like this pretty decent, I'd say like a 10% grade slope, which went all the way kind of down to the edge of the property, where it met the road and basically, yeah.

00:34:55.059 --> 00:35:00.579
<v Speaker 4>So that people didn't have to watch bodies being taken away, which is sad.

00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:01.199
<v Speaker 4>I was just going to say,

00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:02.199
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of sad.

00:35:02.530 --> 00:35:03.519
<v Speaker 5>That's what had to happen.

00:35:03.521 --> 00:35:07.659
<v Speaker 5>There's so many people dying, but that was a really cool part of the tour.

00:35:07.869 --> 00:35:12.340
<v Speaker 5>They, I guess try to do that for most people, but sometimes they can't because of temperature stuff.

00:35:12.369 --> 00:35:13.840
<v Speaker 5>So just keep that in mind.

00:35:14.739 --> 00:35:16.539
<v Speaker 4>Oh, do they not do that in the winter time?

00:35:16.541 --> 00:35:16.719
<v Speaker 4>That's

00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:17.469
<v Speaker 5>What they said.

00:35:17.980 --> 00:35:18.750
<v Speaker 5>We were very fortunate.

00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:22.360
<v Speaker 5>We came to the time we did because they can't do that tour in the winter.

00:35:22.929 --> 00:35:24.429
<v Speaker 4>It was damped down there.

00:35:24.550 --> 00:35:26.980
<v Speaker 4>So I would imagine if it's cold who get icy and

00:35:27.969 --> 00:35:32.949
<v Speaker 5>As Tennessee, I guess, I don't know how like icy cold, it gets there, but Kentucky,

00:35:33.579 --> 00:35:35.559
<v Speaker 4>Um, I forget we went to Tennessee too.

00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.989
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, it gets, I mean, it gets cold.

00:35:38.110 --> 00:35:39.280
<v Speaker 4>It'll freeze there and stuff.

00:35:40.300 --> 00:35:42.219
<v Speaker 5>So there was that part of the tour.

00:35:42.940 --> 00:35:45.849
<v Speaker 5>And then do we from there, do we shoot all the way up to the top right away?

00:35:46.449 --> 00:35:49.989
<v Speaker 4>No, I mean, we went, we went kind of floor by floor.

00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:51.519
<v Speaker 5>We went to the kitchen.

00:35:52.420 --> 00:35:52.420
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:54.400
<v Speaker 4>We came up, went to the kitchen next.

00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:00.219
<v Speaker 4>There was kind of a couple of places where we went, where there wasn't much, other than just being a lot of this tour was history.

00:36:00.221 --> 00:36:07.989
<v Speaker 4>Like, you know, if, if you're able to go only at night or something, don't think it's going to be this scary, weird paranormal.

00:36:08.019 --> 00:36:09.429
<v Speaker 4>Like it's a history tour.

00:36:10.059 --> 00:36:15.940
<v Speaker 4>The nighttime one just tells you a little bit more of the paranormal stories that have happened there and stuff.

00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:16.539
<v Speaker 4>That's all.

00:36:16.541 --> 00:36:18.190
<v Speaker 4>It's not like you're going to scare you.

00:36:18.969 --> 00:36:20.260
<v Speaker 4>Well, well, okay.

00:36:20.260 --> 00:36:20.889
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know.

00:36:20.929 --> 00:36:23.769
<v Speaker 4>It depends on how you're scared about stuff.

00:36:23.949 --> 00:36:24.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:36:24.219 --> 00:36:27.190
<v Speaker 5>Some people in the tourists were a little more uncomfortable than others.

00:36:27.940 --> 00:36:28.570
<v Speaker 4>Oh, okay.

00:36:28.570 --> 00:36:30.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't remember anybody being uncomfortable.

00:36:30.610 --> 00:36:35.889
<v Speaker 5>You mean the woman who literally grabbed you because she thought you were like her significant other, they don't remember that part.

00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:37.750
<v Speaker 4>It was 10 o'clock at night.

00:36:37.780 --> 00:36:38.199
<v Speaker 4>Oh man.

00:36:38.201 --> 00:36:38.289
<v Speaker 4>I

00:36:38.289 --> 00:36:38.769
<v Speaker 5>Remember that.

00:36:38.771 --> 00:36:40.449
<v Speaker 5>You were just like, why is she touching me?

00:36:41.690 --> 00:36:42.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

00:36:43.489 --> 00:36:44.150
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

00:36:45.139 --> 00:36:46.699
<v Speaker 4>And she realized I was not that person.

00:36:47.059 --> 00:36:48.230
<v Speaker 4>And she apologized.

00:36:48.510 --> 00:36:48.510
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

00:36:50.659 --> 00:36:53.090
<v Speaker 5>As a people guy got a little scared.

00:36:54.050 --> 00:36:56.599
<v Speaker 5>So we got to see a bunch of really cool stuff in between there.

00:36:56.630 --> 00:37:02.269
<v Speaker 5>But fast forward, we made it to the roof, which was the children's wing.

00:37:03.170 --> 00:37:05.480
<v Speaker 5>Uh that's where they held all the kiddos.

00:37:05.750 --> 00:37:17.929
<v Speaker 5>And if you know anything about Waverly Hills at all, that's also where room 5 0 2 is where there is, uh, allegedly a nurse who hung herself outside the room.

00:37:18.380 --> 00:37:28.699
<v Speaker 5>So the story goes that she was having extra marital affairs with one of the doctors that was there and subsequently became pregnant.

00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:41.239
<v Speaker 5>When they found that out, there was either a self abortion or that doctor assisted with set abortion from there.

00:37:41.420 --> 00:37:46.849
<v Speaker 5>I don't think, I think it was Mary Hillberg Hillenburg no Hillenburg there you go.

00:37:47.900 --> 00:37:51.349
<v Speaker 5>Um, could not deal with that.

00:37:51.351 --> 00:37:56.510
<v Speaker 5>And so it alleges that she hung herself outside of room 5 0 2.

00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:01.940
<v Speaker 5>I think some of the stories say it's inside that room, which is where she had the abortion.

00:38:01.940 --> 00:38:20.360
<v Speaker 5>But on the tour they did tell us it was like outside of the room and that she is been known to haunch that floor and to, uh, come to premonition either inside the doorway or inside of the room for some people who have had experiences there.

00:38:20.690 --> 00:38:21.019
<v Speaker 5>So room

00:38:21.260 --> 00:38:22.940
<v Speaker 4>Room 5 0 2 is a bathroom.

00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 5>So it is a bathroom.

00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:29.030
<v Speaker 5>Imagine like this tiny little stand-up walk-in shower stall.

00:38:29.269 --> 00:38:35.239
<v Speaker 5>And then next to it, just a slightly larger like stall kind of piece.

00:38:35.240 --> 00:38:39.889
<v Speaker 5>One was like where the toilet would have been the other, a shower proponent.

00:38:40.219 --> 00:38:41.869
<v Speaker 5>So we got to take pictures.

00:38:41.900 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 5>The only, the only thing we couldn't do is use flash while we were on most of the floors.

00:38:48.110 --> 00:38:51.829
<v Speaker 5>And that was actually to preserve the walls and different things like that.

00:38:51.860 --> 00:38:54.559
<v Speaker 5>Flash obviously wears down on some of those things creates more.

00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:58.400
<v Speaker 4>And I think it was for our vision to not like, cause we'd be getting

00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.760
<v Speaker 5>Back and forth to yeah, someone's going to trip and fall.

00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:07.090
<v Speaker 5>So anyway, I said, picture was taken on someone's phone.

00:39:08.630 --> 00:39:14.239
<v Speaker 5>It was my phone and there was no one in the doorway at the time of the picture.

00:39:14.510 --> 00:39:22.369
<v Speaker 5>However, in the picture you can see this like white, I don't even know how to describe it.

00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:30.230
<v Speaker 5>Like to me it looks like, like the little kid version of like a ghost where like the sheets hanging over their head, like, that's kind of what it looks like to me.

00:39:31.190 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, we'll send it to you.

00:39:32.030 --> 00:39:35.840
<v Speaker 4>We'll send it to Abby and Ellen and they can put it up for whatever

00:39:36.409 --> 00:39:38.269
<v Speaker 5>Maker call with whatever.

00:39:38.300 --> 00:39:45.449
<v Speaker 5>But that's, it looked like to me, I'm not a hundred percent sure what it was, but there was no one in the doorway and that was what was caught on film.

00:39:46.230 --> 00:39:46.230
<v Speaker 5>So

00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:46.829
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:39:46.831 --> 00:39:48.809
<v Speaker 4>And we can show like some other pictures too.

00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:55.619
<v Speaker 4>So we're taking pictures all over the place in this place and it's not like, it's not like there's like fog and things showing up all over the place.

00:39:55.621 --> 00:39:57.210
<v Speaker 4>Like it's night time.

00:39:57.389 --> 00:40:05.250
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if anybody you've got an iPhone and you've taken pictures in the pretty much darkness before, but it does a pretty good job.

00:40:05.670 --> 00:40:09.389
<v Speaker 4>Um, it just, it takes a picture of what the room looked like.

00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:14.150
<v Speaker 4>And there's not usually all kinds of stuff showing up that didn't look like it was there.

00:40:14.369 --> 00:40:15.210
<v Speaker 4>They're pretty clear.

00:40:15.389 --> 00:40:18.809
<v Speaker 4>This one has something that looks strange in it.

00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:23.849
<v Speaker 4>And um, you can look at it and see for yourself what, what you think it looks like.

00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:26.849
<v Speaker 5>And that was in the doorway of 5 0 2.

00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:39.449
<v Speaker 4>The one aspect that didn't get mentioned in terms of the like historic story, uh, that we glossed over was the, some of the, some of the people, uh, have surmised that possibly he helped with that abortion.

00:40:39.451 --> 00:40:44.309
<v Speaker 4>And she died during the abortion and he hung her up out there.

00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:45.300
<v Speaker 4>That's true.

00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:48.449
<v Speaker 4>That's like a get out of jail type thing.

00:40:48.690 --> 00:40:50.400
<v Speaker 4>Any of those things are plausible.

00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:54.420
<v Speaker 4>I mean, if you think about the, what that would be like in reality,

00:40:54.750 --> 00:41:04.980
<v Speaker 5>Especially during that timeframe, you know, like that definitely would not have been a good timeframe to have extra marital affairs and get someone pregnant and, and then abortion, even at that time.

00:41:04.981 --> 00:41:05.789
<v Speaker 5>Wasn't great.

00:41:05.969 --> 00:41:07.860
<v Speaker 5>So all those things.

00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:08.969
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:14.730
<v Speaker 4>Any, any one of them, even Emmy, even if it wasn't like an affair thing or something, I mean just anything.

00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:15.030
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:18.090
<v Speaker 4>So anyway, that happened.

00:41:18.389 --> 00:41:18.539
<v Speaker 4>Oh.

00:41:18.541 --> 00:41:21.130
<v Speaker 4>And then it was like, the next thing was like right outside of that.

00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:21.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:41:21.481 --> 00:41:24.539
<v Speaker 5>So we walked through, um, room 5 0 2.

00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:30.989
<v Speaker 5>There's like an entrance that's like inside the building and an exit that gets you out on this, like patio.

00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:32.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:41:32.190 --> 00:41:35.309
<v Speaker 5>But this is the only part that was like uncovered,

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:36.300
<v Speaker 4>Right?

00:41:36.389 --> 00:41:36.389
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:41:36.391 --> 00:41:37.260
<v Speaker 4>You're outside.

00:41:37.710 --> 00:41:37.710
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:41:37.769 --> 00:41:38.400
<v Speaker 4>You're outside.

00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:46.380
<v Speaker 5>And so just to also kind of give you some context, there's like the walls are built up I'm five, two.

00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:48.059
<v Speaker 5>It was probably to my chest height.

00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:50.639
<v Speaker 4>Oh, like the ones that go off the building.

00:41:50.699 --> 00:41:51.150
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

00:41:51.150 --> 00:41:53.579
<v Speaker 5>You wouldn't be able to like jump off right.

00:41:53.581 --> 00:41:55.170
<v Speaker 5>Without making a conscious effort.

00:41:55.940 --> 00:41:57.989
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you could climb over that and whatever,

00:41:57.989 --> 00:42:01.530
<v Speaker 5>But I mean, it'd be a lot of work for me cause it's that's, it was really tall for me.

00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:02.579
<v Speaker 5>That was there.

00:42:02.610 --> 00:42:05.039
<v Speaker 5>It wasn't actually a really windy night at all.

00:42:05.041 --> 00:42:06.449
<v Speaker 5>It was very calm.

00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:11.909
<v Speaker 5>Um, which kind of ties into the other part of our story on the floor because it's the children's floor.

00:42:11.911 --> 00:42:23.039
<v Speaker 5>A lot of people who come for paranormal activity, um, we'll bring different props for kids because they will interact if, um, if they are spirit.

00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:26.820
<v Speaker 5>So there's a couple balls on the floor, kind of rolling around.

00:42:27.150 --> 00:42:30.630
<v Speaker 5>I personally don't like it when strangers are behind me.

00:42:30.630 --> 00:42:38.139
<v Speaker 5>So I like to find myself in the back of tours, pretty often we were in the back of the, of the tour and there's a ball on the floor.

00:42:38.141 --> 00:42:39.340
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh, how cool.

00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.110
<v Speaker 5>I'm just going to like skirt around it.

00:42:41.110 --> 00:42:42.250
<v Speaker 5>And we stopped.

00:42:42.369 --> 00:42:43.690
<v Speaker 4>There was a guide with us.

00:42:43.929 --> 00:42:45.909
<v Speaker 4>We had that person who was in the back with us.

00:42:45.940 --> 00:42:46.150
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:42:46.210 --> 00:42:50.469
<v Speaker 5>There's always someone right there because they needed to know the N nobody was sneaking off.

00:42:50.980 --> 00:42:50.980
<v Speaker 5>So

00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:51.909
<v Speaker 4>It was the three of us.

00:42:51.940 --> 00:42:52.389
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:42:53.050 --> 00:42:56.500
<v Speaker 5>And the ball started rolling towards, was it,

00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:04.119
<v Speaker 4>It just like rolled like six inches or whatever, and then it kind of went back and then it

00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 5>Stopped.

00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:06.400
<v Speaker 5>And then we talked

00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.199
<v Speaker 4>To, you talked to it.

00:43:08.409 --> 00:43:10.420
<v Speaker 5>I like, I like doing that as a prompt as well.

00:43:10.420 --> 00:43:15.639
<v Speaker 5>I asked the, I asked if I wanted to play whatever was whatever it was moving the ball.

00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:22.150
<v Speaker 5>Um, and it, it moved again, started rolling around towards, towards us.

00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:23.199
<v Speaker 5>And then back again.

00:43:24.309 --> 00:43:25.510
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just kind of back and forth.

00:43:25.539 --> 00:43:28.300
<v Speaker 4>And it wasn't windy the surface of it.

00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:29.920
<v Speaker 4>Like there wasn't anybody bumping it.

00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.000
<v Speaker 4>We were looking right at it.

00:43:31.869 --> 00:43:41.050
<v Speaker 4>And this is not like some kind of an old building that has like rotten wood floors or something where maybe you stepped on something and the floor squished and the ball rock.

00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:45.579
<v Speaker 4>Like, no, this is, it's all concrete construction nothing's rocking around.

00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:52.239
<v Speaker 4>Um, as we moved away, as we stopped watching it, this ball was not moving around for any other thing.

00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.730
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it just kind of like rocked back and forth.

00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:57.550
<v Speaker 4>It didn't go away one direction.

00:43:57.550 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 4>Like it was being, you know, it, it, it just went one way and then back the other way within kind of a six to eight inch pattern.

00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.860
<v Speaker 4>And then, and then it just stopped and stopped pretty much dead.

00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:17.889
<v Speaker 4>So, I mean, unless it's some extremely elaborate trick that, uh, you know, places putting on, but it doesn't didn't really seem that way.

00:44:18.340 --> 00:44:20.829
<v Speaker 5>And the tour guide was like, did you see that too?

00:44:21.369 --> 00:44:23.110
<v Speaker 5>Like, she seemed very surprised.

00:44:23.409 --> 00:44:25.300
<v Speaker 4>So it was interesting.

00:44:25.989 --> 00:44:32.469
<v Speaker 5>And then, uh, you kind of like take a bigger circle, like you shave around and go under where the buildings covered a little bit.

00:44:32.739 --> 00:44:36.550
<v Speaker 5>And we kept looking back to see if the ball had moved anymore after that.

00:44:36.550 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 5>And we hadn't seen any more movement from it either.

00:44:38.980 --> 00:44:45.969
<v Speaker 5>So also that, and then I think we can fast forward to when we went to the most haunted wing.

00:44:46.179 --> 00:44:46.659
<v Speaker 5>Right.

00:44:47.170 --> 00:44:50.139
<v Speaker 4>I don't, is it necessarily that it's the most haunted winger?

00:44:50.141 --> 00:44:56.380
<v Speaker 4>Is it just where they were looking for those shadow things because of like light and stuff?

00:44:56.739 --> 00:45:01.119
<v Speaker 5>I think the claim is that that wings specifically has really had most of the deaths

00:45:01.550 --> 00:45:02.260
<v Speaker 4>That's right.

00:45:02.260 --> 00:45:03.429
<v Speaker 4>It was the same.

00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:04.929
<v Speaker 4>It was the same.

00:45:05.110 --> 00:45:06.099
<v Speaker 4>It was like the fourth floor.

00:45:06.101 --> 00:45:08.440
<v Speaker 4>That's where the surgery suites were.

00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:13.869
<v Speaker 4>And the only people they were doing surgery on were people who were like basically going to die.

00:45:13.871 --> 00:45:15.969
<v Speaker 4>This is the only thing left we can try.

00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.199
<v Speaker 4>So that was the like term, like super terminal,

00:45:20.019 --> 00:45:22.210
<v Speaker 5>Very, very sick people on that.

00:45:22.210 --> 00:45:27.849
<v Speaker 5>So they obviously would have experienced some of them with some more deaths than any other floor.

00:45:27.851 --> 00:45:31.269
<v Speaker 5>So they claim that that is the more haunted for

00:45:31.780 --> 00:45:33.550
<v Speaker 4>First of all, about the surgical stuff.

00:45:33.730 --> 00:45:45.139
<v Speaker 4>Cause I think that bears talking about, um, so they had this surgical suite, I think, I think it was two ORs at the end of the hall with the only elevator that goes to the basement.

00:45:45.141 --> 00:45:50.570
<v Speaker 4>And it's because it opens up into the morgue, like something like, it was more than 50%.

00:45:50.570 --> 00:46:08.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't remember what they said, but more than more than 50% of these people who went into the, or just ended up going down into the morgue, because basically what they were doing was like cutting out some of their ribs, uh, and trying to let their lungs inflate more like they were, I mean, it was

00:46:08.269 --> 00:46:09.079
<v Speaker 5>Pretty much giving them a

00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 4>Bloody Eagle.

00:46:09.889 --> 00:46:10.429
<v Speaker 4>Exactly.

00:46:10.431 --> 00:46:11.630
<v Speaker 4>Similar to a bloody Eagle.

00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:12.349
<v Speaker 4>There you go.

00:46:12.409 --> 00:46:21.860
<v Speaker 4>And they, yeah, it's really grotesque horrible, uh, stuff, but they were trying to help keep these people alive.

00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.769
<v Speaker 4>And it's what they knew they didn't know about.

00:46:25.429 --> 00:46:29.929
<v Speaker 4>I mean, germ theory wasn't even fully accepted into the 1920s and stuff.

00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:35.630
<v Speaker 4>There were a lot of people who didn't believe in washing their hands and stuff before surgery, like doctors didn't believe these things.

00:46:35.659 --> 00:46:52.909
<v Speaker 4>So the guys who were doing making hand-washing a part of their routine in, in the UK, that's where, where germ theory kind of started and who were working on creating antibiotics were looked at as like the fools, especially in the United States where they didn't believe that stuff as much.

00:46:53.150 --> 00:46:54.110
<v Speaker 4>It's really interesting.

00:46:54.739 --> 00:47:01.730
<v Speaker 4>That's totally an aside to all of this, but anyway, fourth floor, we were back down the hallway from the surgical stuff.

00:47:02.030 --> 00:47:08.059
<v Speaker 5>We were kind of looking towards the surgical suites and still very similar.

00:47:08.630 --> 00:47:26.630
<v Speaker 5>You had patient rooms, they were open to like a balcony where they would push the beds out so they could still get their positive talk and fresh air treatments, uh, before they were waiting or, um, and so all of that is open and you're stand then to the hallway, uh, as a part of this tour.

00:47:26.630 --> 00:47:33.380
<v Speaker 5>And they tell you to just kind of look up the hallway and kind of scan because you could see a lot of the shadow beings.

00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:40.550
<v Speaker 5>And I guess these shadow beings, uh, like to be more active between the 10 and 12 o'clock hours, what they had said.

00:47:40.849 --> 00:47:42.800
<v Speaker 5>So we were all going to see some shadow people.

00:47:43.099 --> 00:47:52.699
<v Speaker 5>And I think, I remember our tour guide was like, oh man, the last tour we gave, it was so many people, so many shadow beings that you could see the, hopefully we get to see some tonight.

00:47:52.820 --> 00:47:53.989
<v Speaker 5>It kind of felt hoaxy.

00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.590
<v Speaker 5>But I don't think it was,

00:47:58.099 --> 00:48:03.889
<v Speaker 4>I think there was actually that guy at the bottom of the hill and said that there somebody that was like, when we were parking that said that.

00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:06.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but she did too.

00:48:06.650 --> 00:48:09.559
<v Speaker 5>And I was just like, okay, like, we're going to see anything, whatever.

00:48:10.070 --> 00:48:15.920
<v Speaker 5>And then, so we're standing in a, semi-circle looking up the hallway, looking around for our shadow beings.

00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.679
<v Speaker 5>And of course everyone's like, oh, I see something over there.

00:48:18.681 --> 00:48:19.730
<v Speaker 5>I see something over there.

00:48:20.210 --> 00:48:27.199
<v Speaker 5>And eventually I was like, is there anyone that wants to travel like halfway at the hallway and stand there and see if we can incite anything.

00:48:28.730 --> 00:48:31.940
<v Speaker 5>And Robert behind me is like, I I'll do it immediately.

00:48:32.269 --> 00:48:37.440
<v Speaker 5>And I'm angry inside because he wanted to take my experience from me.

00:48:39.030 --> 00:48:40.230
<v Speaker 5>But I got to go first anyway.

00:48:40.231 --> 00:48:41.039
<v Speaker 5>So that was fun.

00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.070
<v Speaker 5>Uh, and so was there, some of that went before me.

00:48:44.670 --> 00:48:45.150
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:48:45.300 --> 00:48:49.710
<v Speaker 4>You weren't the first one that went to someone else went one or two people went before you

00:48:50.550 --> 00:48:52.230
<v Speaker 5>And then we're getting like creeped out.

00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:52.699
<v Speaker 5>Maybe

00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:53.639
<v Speaker 4>It's just that one guy.

00:48:53.641 --> 00:48:54.360
<v Speaker 4>I think it was just the one.

00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:54.599
<v Speaker 4>Good.

00:48:55.590 --> 00:48:58.469
<v Speaker 5>And then I got to go walk halfway up.

00:48:58.530 --> 00:49:01.380
<v Speaker 5>You like, they warn you don't take your cell phones out.

00:49:01.409 --> 00:49:04.260
<v Speaker 5>Nothing that's flashing, no shiny, no, nothing like that.

00:49:04.260 --> 00:49:07.349
<v Speaker 4>So on this whole floor, when we got there, they had made that statement.

00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.570
<v Speaker 4>Normally we're taking pictures, all this and that.

00:49:09.570 --> 00:49:16.980
<v Speaker 4>So even though there's no flash, you're still looking at a screen which kind of brightens things, it takes away your dark vision, all this.

00:49:16.981 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 4>And that sounds like a D and D adventure, your dark vision.

00:49:19.829 --> 00:49:27.210
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, so this, this whole floor nobody's taken out their phones, no nobody's watches are lighting up or whatever.

00:49:27.539 --> 00:49:33.539
<v Speaker 4>And it's so that we can kind of just adjust the most, you know, as possible to the shadows.

00:49:34.230 --> 00:49:40.199
<v Speaker 4>And you, you walked like 50 feet down the hallway.

00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:49:41.130 --> 00:49:45.539
<v Speaker 5>Uh, like a, like a legal living space, I guess, is like a larger part of the

00:49:47.250 --> 00:49:48.780
<v Speaker 4>One thing that we didn't really describe.

00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:59.460
<v Speaker 4>So if you imagine, imagine this hospital five stories to all, and the whole thing is basically like a hallway with rooms on the left rooms on the right.

00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:05.369
<v Speaker 4>And then on the other side of the rooms on the right, there's like this open balcony and you can pretty much see through the whole thing.

00:50:05.550 --> 00:50:06.900
<v Speaker 4>It was like windows everywhere.

00:50:07.710 --> 00:50:15.179
<v Speaker 4>And imagine this very straight for about a hundred feet in the middle of this five story structure that's narrow.

00:50:15.539 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 4>And then to either edge where you get to that hundred foot span, the hallway cant's off at a 25 degree angle the other way.

00:50:24.389 --> 00:50:28.019
<v Speaker 4>And so it's like this shallow you shape.

00:50:28.530 --> 00:50:29.039
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

00:50:29.369 --> 00:50:31.860
<v Speaker 4>And you walked, so we were in the middle of this.

00:50:31.860 --> 00:50:36.989
<v Speaker 4>So think you walked like 50 feet to where that angle, the hallway went.

00:50:37.349 --> 00:50:37.679
<v Speaker 4>And yeah.

00:50:37.699 --> 00:50:42.420
<v Speaker 4>Then there was like a open area there and that's where you were standing.

00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:43.829
<v Speaker 4>And we were like back from you.

00:50:44.789 --> 00:50:58.980
<v Speaker 5>So as I'm standing there, I had thought I'd seen a shadow kind of figure creeping along the wall between these like window opening door openings that you could see light shining through.

00:50:59.550 --> 00:51:04.380
<v Speaker 5>I had seen it come down like two or three and kind of stop on my right hand.

00:51:04.380 --> 00:51:06.300
<v Speaker 5>I like the corner of a wall.

00:51:07.349 --> 00:51:08.309
<v Speaker 5>And of course it's me.

00:51:08.340 --> 00:51:09.570
<v Speaker 5>So I'm going to try and talk to it.

00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:10.019
<v Speaker 5>Right.

00:51:10.380 --> 00:51:13.860
<v Speaker 5>They have low ask if they wanted to come over or something like that.

00:51:14.369 --> 00:51:23.340
<v Speaker 5>And I think this is when, like, as I was talking, uh, the tour guide, just up the hallway, you need to turn your cell phone off.

00:51:24.300 --> 00:51:26.519
<v Speaker 5>I was like, I don't my cell phone in my pocket.

00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:32.409
<v Speaker 5>I definitely don't have a cell phone on, I didn't understand at the time why that was the case.

00:51:32.590 --> 00:51:37.150
<v Speaker 5>But I had also seen that shadow kind of move towards me at that time.

00:51:37.179 --> 00:51:43.360
<v Speaker 5>And it got just the little chills that chill sensation you get with a Hey hair in the back of your neck stands up.

00:51:43.929 --> 00:51:47.110
<v Speaker 5>And then I heard everyone just talking and I was being told to come back.

00:51:47.139 --> 00:51:48.340
<v Speaker 5>So I was like, okay, I'll come back.

00:51:48.340 --> 00:51:50.050
<v Speaker 5>That was a pretty cool experience for me.

00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 5>I was very excited about it.

00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:59.590
<v Speaker 5>And as we come back, I think that's when you had told me that you see in the light thing.

00:52:00.340 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 4>So it, it, the reason why the tour guide was like yelling at her, I was standing next to this, to her.

00:52:06.070 --> 00:52:11.469
<v Speaker 4>It was the same person that had been with us, um, up on the upstairs portion with the ball.

00:52:11.860 --> 00:52:15.610
<v Speaker 4>She wasn't like an actual person who was giving a lecture or anything.

00:52:15.610 --> 00:52:19.150
<v Speaker 4>She was just hanging out in the back, but she did also do the lecture stuff.

00:52:19.150 --> 00:52:26.920
<v Speaker 4>Other times I was standing right with her and I saw it at the exact same moment that she kind of startled and then went to go and start yelling at Robin.

00:52:27.190 --> 00:52:32.170
<v Speaker 4>It looked like there was like just this bright light around Robin.

00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:42.519
<v Speaker 4>Um, and like shining up onto the ceiling as if somebody had taken out their phone and like the phone lit them up and then lit up the ceiling around them or whatever.

00:52:42.969 --> 00:52:44.920
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, that's, that's what was going on.

00:52:45.489 --> 00:52:45.670
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:52:45.670 --> 00:52:48.760
<v Speaker 5>See, and I didn't see a light and we were trying to talk through it.

00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:56.590
<v Speaker 5>Like, what else could have it been, uh, had a watch on, but my sleeves were covering my arms because I'm a cold person.

00:52:56.889 --> 00:52:58.179
<v Speaker 5>My cell phone was in my pocket.

00:52:58.181 --> 00:53:01.570
<v Speaker 5>I didn't have anything else that could have been shiny or going off.

00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:02.590
<v Speaker 5>So I don't know.

00:53:02.619 --> 00:53:03.670
<v Speaker 5>And I didn't get to see it.

00:53:03.670 --> 00:53:04.539
<v Speaker 5>So that made me sad.

00:53:05.010 --> 00:53:05.010
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:53:05.010 --> 00:53:06.610
<v Speaker 4>It was interesting for sure.

00:53:07.659 --> 00:53:08.949
<v Speaker 5>And then you got to go out there

00:53:09.550 --> 00:53:10.599
<v Speaker 4>And out there too.

00:53:10.659 --> 00:53:15.010
<v Speaker 4>And I didn't have anything light up around me, but I heard footsteps.

00:53:15.070 --> 00:53:17.349
<v Speaker 4>And at first I thought maybe it was there.

00:53:17.530 --> 00:53:19.150
<v Speaker 4>Cause there was like another group going through.

00:53:19.150 --> 00:53:22.719
<v Speaker 4>And there was another time when we had been down a hall from them.

00:53:23.469 --> 00:53:43.329
<v Speaker 4>And so I kind of thought that it was that, but then I heard them, like, you hear footsteps, you know what foot's like foots, you know what shoes walking on a concrete floor sound like, like leather, soled shoes, you know, not rubber shoes, but like leather sold, like dress shoes or cowboy boots kind of slapping on, on the concrete.

00:53:44.230 --> 00:53:49.480
<v Speaker 4>And, uh, it was like right next to me as if I were walking and I could hear my shoes.

00:53:49.481 --> 00:53:50.829
<v Speaker 4>Like, that's what it sounded like.

00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:52.809
<v Speaker 4>And then they walked away.

00:53:53.590 --> 00:53:55.090
<v Speaker 4>Um, I think I might've said something to them.

00:53:55.090 --> 00:53:57.579
<v Speaker 4>I can't remember, but it walked away.

00:53:57.581 --> 00:54:05.920
<v Speaker 4>And the thing that got me the most was that I did see a shadow very clearly saw a shadow of like a human silhouette.

00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:08.349
<v Speaker 4>And here's the thing.

00:54:08.710 --> 00:54:12.039
<v Speaker 4>Cause you mentioned light coming in and I want to kind of like describe that.

00:54:12.460 --> 00:54:17.829
<v Speaker 4>So this place is on the, on the outskirts of Louisville, like in kind of almost the country.

00:54:18.070 --> 00:54:19.690
<v Speaker 4>It's like surrounded by forest.

00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:23.619
<v Speaker 4>The hospital itself is on the middle of 142 acres of land.

00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:25.570
<v Speaker 4>The light that's coming in.

00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:27.880
<v Speaker 4>There's no like flood lights in the parking lot.

00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.110
<v Speaker 4>There's no like street lamps that lead up to it.

00:54:30.139 --> 00:54:31.670
<v Speaker 4>It's dark out there.

00:54:32.269 --> 00:54:35.750
<v Speaker 4>It's dark, but it's, it's on the edge of the city.

00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:38.030
<v Speaker 4>And so there's light pollution.

00:54:38.659 --> 00:54:47.719
<v Speaker 4>So it's like this shadowy dim kind of overarching light that reflects off the clouds that comes in there.

00:54:47.721 --> 00:54:52.309
<v Speaker 4>He dim, but you can distinguish it from the surrounding shadows.

00:54:52.340 --> 00:54:55.369
<v Speaker 4>So you can like see where outdoor light is coming in from.

00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:55.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:54:55.641 --> 00:55:00.289
<v Speaker 4>You know, like reflecting off the clouds and, and it was kind of a cloudy night that night.

00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:02.300
<v Speaker 4>So that's what we were getting.

00:55:02.900 --> 00:55:07.610
<v Speaker 4>Um, anybody who lives in the city, I think knows immediately what I'm talking about with that kind of light pollution.

00:55:07.969 --> 00:55:10.550
<v Speaker 4>And I paid really close attention to this.

00:55:10.940 --> 00:55:16.730
<v Speaker 4>Um, I had noticed that earlier and I noticed that, especially on this floor, because like I'm skeptical about these kinds of things.

00:55:16.731 --> 00:55:26.090
<v Speaker 4>And I am going to try to explain it away with things that I can rationalize with science and light coming in from a car or whatever the whole time I could see the parking lot.

00:55:26.090 --> 00:55:28.309
<v Speaker 4>It was on our right down this hallway.

00:55:28.489 --> 00:55:30.110
<v Speaker 4>There were no cars driving around in it.

00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:33.199
<v Speaker 4>Like I said before, there's no lights on the property out there.

00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:43.849
<v Speaker 4>And for the most part, the light like pervading, uh, into this building from the light pollution was coming from the left side.

00:55:44.150 --> 00:55:46.969
<v Speaker 4>And that's really important in what, like what I'm about to describe.

00:55:46.971 --> 00:55:50.659
<v Speaker 4>So the, the light pollution is basically coming in from the left.

00:55:50.661 --> 00:55:59.869
<v Speaker 4>So if you were to walk in front of one of the doorways on the left of this hall, it would cast your shadow out toward the right.

00:56:00.050 --> 00:56:08.480
<v Speaker 4>And I was paying attention to where our shadows were this whole time, especially thinking about like encountering shadow beings or whatever.

00:56:08.750 --> 00:56:18.469
<v Speaker 4>And I noticed too, if I walked on the right-hand side, it's like, remember I mentioned there's windows on both sides, all over the place and doors opening, uh, at just door ways.

00:56:18.500 --> 00:56:20.690
<v Speaker 4>There's not doors on these doorways.

00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:21.920
<v Speaker 4>They're just wide open.

00:56:22.230 --> 00:56:29.809
<v Speaker 4>If you went on the right, like I said, you know, there's, there's windows where light could be coming from both ways.

00:56:30.110 --> 00:56:41.570
<v Speaker 4>But if you went on the right, your shadow did not cast off to the left as though there was also light pollution coming from over there, it still went to the right either up the wall or like into a doorway.

00:56:41.929 --> 00:56:43.730
<v Speaker 4>And that was consistent.

00:56:44.090 --> 00:56:48.349
<v Speaker 4>It was even consistent when I ended up walking down this hallway with the group later on.

00:56:49.250 --> 00:57:03.920
<v Speaker 4>But what I saw in terms of like, as I heard the footsteps receding going away from me, the human shaped silhouetted shadow that seemed to traverse the hallway along with the footprints, went from the right to the left.

00:57:04.099 --> 00:57:07.280
<v Speaker 4>So opposite of any kind of light that was coming in.

00:57:07.909 --> 00:57:11.840
<v Speaker 4>And I paid really close attention to the rest of the time as we went down there.

00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 4>And I did not see any light casting shadows off of anyone from that direction, except for that.

00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:24.710
<v Speaker 4>Um, and I have no idea, like I have no way to explain what was causing that.

00:57:25.190 --> 00:57:35.460
<v Speaker 4>Um, it's not impossible that something I didn't see or whatever, but it's definitely like, seemed like a person was walking away down the hallway and had cast a shadow.

00:57:35.849 --> 00:57:38.309
<v Speaker 4>The opposite way of the light was coming through.

00:57:38.369 --> 00:57:40.679
<v Speaker 4>So that's, that was my experience.

00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:41.550
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:57:41.550 --> 00:57:45.570
<v Speaker 5>And you kind of mentioned earlier, like there were no cars driving by the parking lot.

00:57:45.570 --> 00:57:50.579
<v Speaker 5>That's out there is like limited access and once the cars are there, they don't let anyone else

00:57:50.579 --> 00:57:50.969
<v Speaker 4>Through.

00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.400
<v Speaker 4>So, well, they also made us turn our lights off.

00:57:53.429 --> 00:57:53.730
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:57:53.731 --> 00:57:54.780
<v Speaker 5>Once you started going up.

00:57:55.079 --> 00:58:00.389
<v Speaker 5>So there's also that, like, trying to think through some of the other pieces, like what else would have a Castlight that way?

00:58:01.019 --> 00:58:07.619
<v Speaker 5>I don't think there actually has anything like maybe a helicopter blind by didn't hear that though.

00:58:07.889 --> 00:58:12.300
<v Speaker 4>No, I remember thinking about like planes and stuff like that, and I didn't hear anything.

00:58:12.989 --> 00:58:13.139
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:58:13.141 --> 00:58:13.469
<v Speaker 4>I dunno.

00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:14.579
<v Speaker 4>It was just interesting.

00:58:15.179 --> 00:58:30.900
<v Speaker 4>We went from there into the, or, and then down to the morgue and the only other weird thing that happened to me was from there, like from after seeing that shadow, going to the, or from there down into the morgue, I kept like stepping aside to let somebody go in front of me.

00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:35.610
<v Speaker 4>But, uh, you and that other tour guide person had already, you were already ahead.

00:58:35.610 --> 00:58:40.500
<v Speaker 4>I was the last person, but I just had a feeling that somebody was like following along.

00:58:41.070 --> 00:58:44.280
<v Speaker 5>And then yeah, we finished in the morgue and that was really cool.

00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.110
<v Speaker 5>We got to open the body drawers.

00:58:46.469 --> 00:58:51.239
<v Speaker 5>I thought that was really fun and interesting to see the old way they preserved five bodies.

00:58:51.240 --> 00:58:52.019
<v Speaker 5>Was there like five of them.

00:58:52.469 --> 00:58:55.739
<v Speaker 4>I know it wasn't that many, it was like six or 10 or something.

00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:56.670
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't very many

00:58:57.750 --> 00:58:58.349
<v Speaker 5>Drawers.

00:58:58.409 --> 00:58:58.590
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:58:58.590 --> 00:59:00.030
<v Speaker 4>Like the actual mortgage jurors.

00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:10.019
<v Speaker 4>But I mean, if they had people going down the carts out to wherever they were buried or whatever, they didn't really have any reason to store them fair, but that's pretty much it.

00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:17.940
<v Speaker 4>I think I liked the, I liked the little speech that she gave at the end in the, in the banquet room thing or whatever that was.

00:59:18.630 --> 00:59:18.780
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:59:18.780 --> 00:59:20.760
<v Speaker 5>That was like a little banquet hall.

00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:21.510
<v Speaker 4>Like a food hall.

00:59:21.659 --> 00:59:23.309
<v Speaker 4>I think originally it wasn't though.

00:59:23.579 --> 00:59:24.449
<v Speaker 4>It was like a bait.

00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:27.929
<v Speaker 4>No, it was like a, it was like a storage room for basement chit.

00:59:28.050 --> 00:59:28.199
<v Speaker 4>Oh

00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:29.250
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:59:29.420 --> 00:59:30.420
<v Speaker 5>Fancy storage room for

00:59:30.420 --> 00:59:30.780
<v Speaker 4>Basement.

00:59:30.989 --> 00:59:32.579
<v Speaker 4>Well, it wasn't originally like that.

00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:33.989
<v Speaker 4>The carpet and stuff.

00:59:33.990 --> 00:59:38.280
<v Speaker 4>Wasn't like that she showed that picture of the little spectral children.

00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:40.170
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah.

00:59:40.289 --> 00:59:40.980
<v Speaker 4>In that room.

00:59:41.010 --> 00:59:42.119
<v Speaker 4>That was where that was taken.

00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:52.440
<v Speaker 4>But no, she, the tour guide gave like a speech about just basically kind of just, you know, taking a moment to think about, and then like honor the people that, that went through there.

00:59:53.219 --> 01:00:00.690
<v Speaker 4>Um, and if there are whether or not there are ghosts in this kind of thing, it's, it's not like it's some kind of spooky haunting, like Ghostbusters or whatever.

01:00:00.900 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 4>It's like people were caring for other human beings at this place.

01:00:05.130 --> 01:00:06.510
<v Speaker 4>Uh, they, they wanted to heal them.

01:00:06.510 --> 01:00:07.800
<v Speaker 4>They didn't want them to suffer.

01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:20.400
<v Speaker 4>Uh, it was, it was just a very caring place where, um, people did what they could to, you know, respect the humanity and the dignity and the life of the people who were seeking help and care there.

01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:22.530
<v Speaker 4>Um, and it was just a nice thing.

01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:23.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

01:00:23.070 --> 01:00:23.280
<v Speaker 4>She

01:00:23.369 --> 01:00:23.880
<v Speaker 5>Did a really good job.

01:00:25.030 --> 01:00:25.449
<v Speaker 4>That's it.

01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:26.409
<v Speaker 4>Thanks for

01:00:26.409 --> 01:00:29.369
<v Speaker 2>Telling this, the end of that, check that.

01:00:31.179 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 4>Thanks for giving us time on the show to tell our story to Abby and Allen.

01:00:44.650 --> 01:00:44.650
<v Speaker 1>[inaudible].

01:00:45.489 --> 01:00:46.179
<v Speaker 2>Hello again.

01:00:46.409 --> 01:00:47.380
<v Speaker 2>It's it's Abby and Allen.

01:00:47.409 --> 01:00:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Hello?

01:00:47.829 --> 01:00:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Did you miss us?

01:00:49.900 --> 01:00:50.380
<v Speaker 2>No.

01:00:50.739 --> 01:00:51.369
<v Speaker 2>No, they didn't.

01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:53.260
<v Speaker 2>They had lots of fun with Baba.

01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:55.420
<v Speaker 3>That was

01:00:55.659 --> 01:00:56.650
<v Speaker 2>Spooky now.

01:00:57.070 --> 01:00:57.070
<v Speaker 2>It's

01:00:57.219 --> 01:00:57.820
<v Speaker 3>It is.

01:00:57.849 --> 01:01:18.010
<v Speaker 3>And in regards to, you know, hearing sounds coming from weird angles, feel, you know, feeling presences, seeing shadows in the corner of your eye, you know, th th that's all stuff that is, you know, very, uh, hard to either, you know, confirm nor deny, right.

01:01:18.230 --> 01:01:27.250
<v Speaker 3>Unless you're experiencing it yourself because you know, it's so, you know, w we've both worked ourselves up, some, some of us more than the other.

01:01:28.630 --> 01:01:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Um, I don't want to say, I don't say I worked myself up, but some of us are more closed minded.

01:01:33.521 --> 01:01:34.599
<v Speaker 2>I would say, you

01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:36.280
<v Speaker 3>Know, you can easily scare yourself

01:01:37.210 --> 01:01:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Or okay.

01:01:37.601 --> 01:01:38.889
<v Speaker 2>Or it could be easily, whatever.

01:01:39.070 --> 01:01:39.309
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:01:39.849 --> 01:01:41.110
<v Speaker 2>Thank your judgmental point.

01:01:42.250 --> 01:01:50.260
<v Speaker 3>All I'm saying is that like, we're just going to have to put those types of experiences right off to the side, right?

01:01:50.500 --> 01:01:50.500
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:01:50.650 --> 01:01:51.849
<v Speaker 3>Things like the ball.

01:01:51.940 --> 01:01:52.630
<v Speaker 3>I got nothing.

01:01:52.809 --> 01:01:56.500
<v Speaker 3>If you're on, if the ball is on flat ground, it's not moving.

01:01:56.501 --> 01:01:58.630
<v Speaker 3>And then all of a sudden it's moving in a country.

01:01:58.659 --> 01:01:59.500
<v Speaker 2>I rolled away right.

01:01:59.650 --> 01:02:01.989
<v Speaker 2>Where it moves like six inches, it moves back.

01:02:02.019 --> 01:02:03.969
<v Speaker 2>It's not like, oh, it's just floating.

01:02:03.971 --> 01:02:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Like, it just starts rolling down the hall.

01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:09.190
<v Speaker 2>Like, to me, that's the part, like how controlled it feels is sort of odd.

01:02:09.369 --> 01:02:11.829
<v Speaker 3>Like if it just starts from not moving.

01:02:11.949 --> 01:02:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:02:12.340 --> 01:02:13.179
<v Speaker 3>That's the spooky

01:02:13.179 --> 01:02:13.900
<v Speaker 2>Part, right.

01:02:14.260 --> 01:02:14.500
<v Speaker 2>That, yeah.

01:02:14.501 --> 01:02:15.190
<v Speaker 2>And that's what they say.

01:02:15.190 --> 01:02:15.610
<v Speaker 2>I think

01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:16.480
<v Speaker 3>So.

01:02:16.481 --> 01:02:16.659
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:02:16.690 --> 01:02:17.320
<v Speaker 3>I got nothing.

01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:18.460
<v Speaker 3>That's, that's pretty spooky.

01:02:18.550 --> 01:02:21.579
<v Speaker 3>Same thing with, uh, Robin in the hallway with the light.

01:02:21.670 --> 01:02:21.670
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:22.210
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:26.050
<v Speaker 2>So it's weird to me that she didn't see the light.

01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:36.550
<v Speaker 2>Like I wonder was it behind her, but I think they said that she was illuminated it's it's like, we're very interesting that they, all, this whole tour group saw this light on her and, and she didn't experience that.

01:02:36.909 --> 01:02:36.909
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:02:37.449 --> 01:02:37.989
<v Speaker 2>Very weird.

01:02:38.289 --> 01:02:38.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:02:38.769 --> 01:02:45.550
<v Speaker 3>So the, the light was behind her or just straight up unexplainable phenomena, right.

01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.389
<v Speaker 3>Or she's pulling an elaborate hoax.

01:02:49.539 --> 01:02:49.750
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:02:49.751 --> 01:02:50.800
<v Speaker 2>She's tricking us all.

01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:53.679
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't believe that she is at all.

01:02:53.681 --> 01:02:57.219
<v Speaker 2>I very much trust Robin and Bob and their experiences.

01:02:57.610 --> 01:03:01.570
<v Speaker 2>And I do appreciate Bob sort of dissecting, right.

01:03:01.570 --> 01:03:19.840
<v Speaker 2>The light patterns of Waverley, because I think Bob is, I mean, I don't want to categorize him as anything that he hasn't categorized himself as, but I would say he's like a fairly skeptical potentially, like, I think he told me on the phone that these were unexplained experiences, but not necessarily paranormal.

01:03:20.289 --> 01:03:25.610
<v Speaker 2>And I appreciated him kind giving that background because I knew that was going to be your first question.

01:03:25.610 --> 01:03:25.820
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:03:25.820 --> 01:03:27.860
<v Speaker 2>Of like, okay, well, where's the light coming in from.

01:03:27.889 --> 01:03:28.909
<v Speaker 2>So that was helpful.

01:03:28.911 --> 01:03:33.469
<v Speaker 2>I think, to kind of have somebody who's analytical, I guess kind of look at it that way.

01:03:33.530 --> 01:03:34.039
<v Speaker 2>I, I,

01:03:34.099 --> 01:03:41.210
<v Speaker 3>I agree because yes, things can, things, can, you know, the, the whole idea of like you light playing tricks on you, right?

01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:03:41.900 --> 01:03:46.820
<v Speaker 3>Everything can usually be explained once you really get down to it.

01:03:47.510 --> 01:03:49.039
<v Speaker 3>Uh, and you're like, ah, you know what?

01:03:49.280 --> 01:04:03.469
<v Speaker 3>This is why people keep saying, seeing a phenomena here, because the way the light balances off those water tower does this cool thing, you know, so often, you know, you can just see like really, you know, uh, beautiful things, you know, thinking like New York city, right.

01:04:03.710 --> 01:04:08.510
<v Speaker 3>You know, you see like light, be doing some really, really weird things.

01:04:08.780 --> 01:04:21.889
<v Speaker 3>And if you just started investigating you realize that the sun is bouncing off this glass skyscraper over here, which bounces off this glass skyscraper over here, which is defracting, which comes in through your window, which makes this big cascade of color.

01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:04:22.340 --> 01:04:23.030
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's like, whoa,

01:04:23.389 --> 01:04:23.690
<v Speaker 2>What the?

01:04:24.019 --> 01:04:24.260
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:04:24.530 --> 01:04:40.159
<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of a major callback here, but our ghost train episode, I think was like from a year ago to two, but there's some, there was like, I think a Canadian, Saskatchewan ghost train citing that happens very regularly.

01:04:40.429 --> 01:04:40.429
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:04:40.610 --> 01:04:47.449
<v Speaker 2>The thought, and it hasn't been proved, but the thought is that it must be somehow reflecting off of like a highway, like that has to be it.

01:04:47.451 --> 01:04:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:04:48.050 --> 01:04:56.150
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, I think that, that there's like certainly geographical phenomena or ways that light can play tricks on you or sounds or any kind of thing.

01:04:56.150 --> 01:04:56.389
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:04:56.420 --> 01:04:58.190
<v Speaker 2>Based on the location where you are.

01:04:58.190 --> 01:05:05.269
<v Speaker 2>So it was very helpful as we have never been there to have bobs and Robbins, I think very like clearheaded take on the experiences.

01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:05.989
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:05:06.590 --> 01:05:08.300
<v Speaker 3>Sound's coming from weird places.

01:05:08.510 --> 01:05:13.429
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's, that's something you can experience yourself all the time, open a noisy window.

01:05:13.730 --> 01:05:25.039
<v Speaker 3>And then just like slowly, like walk around the walls of your space and just notice how sometimes the, the sound changes the direction is coming from, because it's more present.

01:05:25.041 --> 01:05:29.269
<v Speaker 3>The indirect sound is now more present than the direct sound.

01:05:29.570 --> 01:05:33.170
<v Speaker 3>So suddenly it sounds like the source is coming from the wall as opposed to coming from the window.

01:05:33.230 --> 01:05:33.860
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

01:05:34.489 --> 01:05:34.789
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:05:34.969 --> 01:05:35.090
<v Speaker 2>I

01:05:35.090 --> 01:05:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Mean, I ever been to a whisper room.

01:05:37.460 --> 01:05:38.900
<v Speaker 2>No, well mate, oh yes.

01:05:38.900 --> 01:05:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I have.

01:05:39.201 --> 01:05:42.710
<v Speaker 2>I have actually, I went to like an art installation in a whisper room.

01:05:42.739 --> 01:05:44.329
<v Speaker 3>That's a perfect example.

01:05:44.449 --> 01:05:47.090
<v Speaker 3>Sound is sliding over like the parabolic surface, right?

01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:47.420
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:05:47.570 --> 01:05:52.280
<v Speaker 3>And that's a great example of like things coming from an angle that you wouldn't expect.

01:05:52.309 --> 01:05:52.519
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:05:52.521 --> 01:05:54.349
<v Speaker 3>You know, sometimes just the physics of the place.

01:05:54.500 --> 01:05:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Maybe there's like a, uh, a slope to the roof or something.

01:05:58.219 --> 01:05:58.219
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.769
<v Speaker 3>You know, uh, the way that it's supposed to bounce light.

01:06:00.949 --> 01:06:07.099
<v Speaker 3>Cause this is what a lot of things were, you know, made in order to bounce light before artificial lighting was everywhere.

01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:07.429
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:06:07.610 --> 01:06:11.329
<v Speaker 3>Whatever bounces, light also bounces sound, you know?

01:06:11.420 --> 01:06:14.690
<v Speaker 3>So there's, I think Bob put it best.

01:06:15.050 --> 01:06:17.960
<v Speaker 3>These are unexplained phenomena, right?

01:06:17.989 --> 01:06:19.730
<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily paranormal.

01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:20.030
<v Speaker 3>Well, I

01:06:20.030 --> 01:06:22.739
<v Speaker 2>Disagree, I think are certainly paranormal and I

01:06:22.769 --> 01:06:25.679
<v Speaker 3>Would love to bring you, they got me on the ball.

01:06:26.070 --> 01:06:27.900
<v Speaker 3>I got nothing on the ball and I got nothing on the light.

01:06:28.260 --> 01:06:30.869
<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing is that it's just so widespread, right?

01:06:30.871 --> 01:06:36.659
<v Speaker 2>Like where there are so many people who go there and experience the same things, right.

01:06:36.661 --> 01:06:43.349
<v Speaker 2>They experienced the ball, they experience people, these shadow figures, they experienced things in certain locations.

01:06:43.710 --> 01:07:01.289
<v Speaker 2>And so if it is such this big thing where again, the random list online, you found with most haunted places in the world, this came up wouldn't you think like the debunkers of the world would have been there already and have figured out like what, what if there was some like easy light trick or soundtrack that they would have already been like, this is not new.

01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:13.920
<v Speaker 2>This is, you know, this has been a thing there's all of these tours sold out all the time that people would have descended upon this place and brought some, you know, brought some scientific evidence to it.

01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes and no I'm on team ghosts.

01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:17.219
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's clear

01:07:17.789 --> 01:07:20.340
<v Speaker 3>First off, no one likes the naysayer.

01:07:21.539 --> 01:07:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

01:07:22.409 --> 01:07:24.869
<v Speaker 2>But there's certainly people who like, that's their whole thing,

01:07:25.889 --> 01:07:30.780
<v Speaker 3>Go to experience ghosts, paranormal, whatever.

01:07:30.809 --> 01:07:31.019
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:32.099
<v Speaker 3>They're looking for it.

01:07:32.429 --> 01:07:32.429
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:38.760
<v Speaker 3>If I bring you into a haunted house and I just tell you, this is a haunted house.

01:07:38.909 --> 01:07:39.210
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:07:40.230 --> 01:07:43.230
<v Speaker 3>Um, and I tell you exactly what you're about to experience.

01:07:43.739 --> 01:07:44.130
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:07:44.699 --> 01:07:45.989
<v Speaker 3>There's a good chance.

01:07:46.139 --> 01:07:49.110
<v Speaker 3>You're going to experience it because you're looking for it.

01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:58.710
<v Speaker 3>And you know, also like who the wants to hear like, oh, you know what, it's actually this just light reflecting off this, uh, you know, this, this, this sloped ceiling.

01:07:58.829 --> 01:07:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Like no, no one wants to hear that.

01:08:00.059 --> 01:08:01.889
<v Speaker 3>You know, they want to be like, oh, you know, ghosts.

01:08:02.670 --> 01:08:02.969
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

01:08:02.971 --> 01:08:11.730
<v Speaker 2>I mean, some people do some people don't, but I feel like we were saying for sure when there's certain rumors about things and especially when it's baked into the tours, it sounds like, but

01:08:12.250 --> 01:08:14.429
<v Speaker 3>The lie always spreads faster than the truth.

01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:29.250
<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the thing we're going to let the listeners decide because Bob and Robin bobbin, if you will have sent us some photos of is that Canon, I don't think it's Canon, but it's how you've been labeling all of their, their files that they sent.

01:08:29.819 --> 01:08:33.630
<v Speaker 2>Uh, but they sent over some photos that they took their right.

01:08:33.631 --> 01:08:38.729
<v Speaker 2>And there's the one that they talk about where it's of what they thought was an empty doorway.

01:08:39.569 --> 01:08:44.250
<v Speaker 2>But there's clearly in this photo to me, very clearly something standing there looks like human.

01:08:44.699 --> 01:08:52.619
<v Speaker 2>It almost looks like a modern human cause it looks almost like there's a hood on the back of what they're wearing, but we will let you guys decide.

01:08:52.890 --> 01:08:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Allen is skeptical of this one.

01:08:53.970 --> 01:08:55.109
<v Speaker 2>I am not skeptical to me.

01:08:55.110 --> 01:08:57.060
<v Speaker 2>This is fascinating.

01:08:57.090 --> 01:08:59.250
<v Speaker 2>And it looks like somebody is standing there.

01:08:59.251 --> 01:09:02.819
<v Speaker 2>So we're going to post that on Instagram and on lunatics, project.com.

01:09:02.820 --> 01:09:05.460
<v Speaker 2>If you go to updates, we have our little blog section there.

01:09:05.850 --> 01:09:08.609
<v Speaker 3>So just click on the section called indisputable

01:09:08.609 --> 01:09:09.090
<v Speaker 2>Proof.

01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:09.779
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:15.119
<v Speaker 2>And you will find this photo on repeat, but again, I, you know, not indisputable proof.

01:09:15.121 --> 01:09:20.770
<v Speaker 2>I think Bob and Bob, and I think Robin, Robin and Bob both would agree, right.

01:09:20.770 --> 01:09:24.399
<v Speaker 2>That they're, they're fairly logical about this sort of thing.

01:09:24.400 --> 01:09:28.539
<v Speaker 2>And it could be something else, but I don't know, to me, it's, it's a pretty interesting photo.

01:09:28.541 --> 01:09:30.489
<v Speaker 2>So we'll post it and we would love to hear what you think.

01:09:31.090 --> 01:09:37.779
<v Speaker 3>I have no doubt that if I went to this place, I would feel like I experienced the paranormal.

01:09:38.140 --> 01:09:38.380
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:09:38.381 --> 01:09:39.340
<v Speaker 2>Well let's go.

01:09:39.699 --> 01:09:40.510
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready for that.

01:09:40.539 --> 01:09:41.229
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready for this.

01:09:41.230 --> 01:09:41.560
<v Speaker 2>This

01:09:41.619 --> 01:09:44.859
<v Speaker 3>Well, will I have actually experienced a paranormal?

01:09:45.489 --> 01:09:46.180
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

01:09:46.930 --> 01:09:47.949
<v Speaker 2>What does that even mean?

01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:48.340
<v Speaker 2>I

01:09:48.340 --> 01:09:52.210
<v Speaker 3>Think I could just the, I could psych myself.

01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:52.659
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

01:09:52.750 --> 01:09:53.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what that means.

01:09:54.460 --> 01:09:54.850
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:09:55.329 --> 01:09:55.810
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha.

01:09:56.380 --> 01:09:57.189
<v Speaker 2>Well, there you go.

01:09:57.729 --> 01:09:59.470
<v Speaker 2>The skeptic stands firm.

01:09:59.680 --> 01:09:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:04.090
<v Speaker 3>Uh, all I want to say is like, I really like how they went about this.

01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:06.550
<v Speaker 3>They just presented the experience.

01:10:06.789 --> 01:10:07.090
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:10:07.510 --> 01:10:09.850
<v Speaker 3>Didn't necessarily be like, Hey, this was ghosts.

01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Hey, this was this thing.

01:10:11.340 --> 01:10:12.430
<v Speaker 3>This was my experience.

01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:12.789
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:10:12.909 --> 01:10:15.850
<v Speaker 3>I feel like that is the best way to go about these places.

01:10:16.210 --> 01:10:16.449
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

01:10:16.659 --> 01:10:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:10:17.050 --> 01:10:17.529
<v Speaker 2>It was great.

01:10:17.890 --> 01:10:27.699
<v Speaker 2>And again, that, you know, one thing I think Bob and I talked a little bit about this because I kept saying that Waverley is spooky and he was like, well, it's not spooky or scary.

01:10:27.701 --> 01:10:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:10:28.420 --> 01:10:30.189
<v Speaker 2>Like it's not threatening or scary.

01:10:30.190 --> 01:10:37.449
<v Speaker 2>It didn't feel like even though they had these experiences, it didn't feel to them like they were in danger or it was a threat, no maliciousness.

01:10:37.569 --> 01:10:37.869
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:10:37.871 --> 01:10:45.640
<v Speaker 2>So I want to say, when I say the word spooky many times in this episode, I'm not trying to paint the picture of danger or fear, just sat.

01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:47.590
<v Speaker 2>There was something unexplained happening.

01:10:47.591 --> 01:10:49.600
<v Speaker 2>And to me that's, you know, spooky, spooky.

01:10:49.630 --> 01:10:49.869
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:10:50.020 --> 01:10:50.380
<v Speaker 2>That's all.

01:10:51.130 --> 01:10:56.199
<v Speaker 2>But I don't want anyone to walk away from this episode feeling like, oh, this is like a really dark, dangerous place.

01:10:56.201 --> 01:11:08.770
<v Speaker 2>Because again, even though there was, you know, a lot of complexity to what happened in its history there, I think there was also a lot of really positive things that hopefully that energy also lives on in the spirit of, of Waverly Hills.

01:11:08.859 --> 01:11:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Just cool.

01:11:09.489 --> 01:11:09.850
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:11.260
<v Speaker 2>And again, thank you.

01:11:11.261 --> 01:11:15.100
<v Speaker 2>So, so much to Bob and Robin for sharing their story.

01:11:15.100 --> 01:11:16.899
<v Speaker 2>I think they called me like a day or two.

01:11:17.050 --> 01:11:25.539
<v Speaker 2>They're still on the road trip, but right after this happened, like the next day or a few days later and told me about their experiences and we were like, we were both like, we need to do an episode on this.

01:11:25.541 --> 01:11:28.270
<v Speaker 2>So I'm glad that I'm glad we were able to share this with you.

01:11:28.270 --> 01:11:34.210
<v Speaker 2>And again, I really love, uh, that they had these experiences at a place that's has such a rich history.

01:11:34.211 --> 01:11:34.449
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:11:34.451 --> 01:11:36.159
<v Speaker 2>So we were able to really dive into it.

01:11:36.579 --> 01:11:42.880
<v Speaker 2>So there have been a few uses of Waverly Hills beyond tours in recent history.

01:11:42.909 --> 01:11:43.270
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:49.420
<v Speaker 2>So in the eighties it was almost sold to be a prison, but thankfully it fell through because we hate prisons.

01:11:49.899 --> 01:11:59.560
<v Speaker 2>As recently as 2007, it was actually used for the very last show of the sounds of the underground, which was a touring music festival.

01:11:59.949 --> 01:12:06.819
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm the only bands that I recognize that played at that show where lamb of God and guar and Weezer.

01:12:07.300 --> 01:12:17.359
<v Speaker 2>No, sadly, if Weezer had played, I would have been there, but because of sound complaints from the locals, uh, that will probably be the last music festival that Waverley hosts.

01:12:17.420 --> 01:12:17.810
<v Speaker 2>I see

01:12:19.069 --> 01:12:19.310
<v Speaker 3>Why.

01:12:19.489 --> 01:12:19.489
<v Speaker 3>Cause

01:12:19.489 --> 01:12:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Guar was there.

01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:20.539
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:12:20.569 --> 01:12:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Guar was too loud.

01:12:22.430 --> 01:12:22.430
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

01:12:23.180 --> 01:12:23.180
<v Speaker 2>Can't

01:12:23.180 --> 01:12:25.250
<v Speaker 3>Imagine hosting a guar concert to be a bad

01:12:25.250 --> 01:12:25.729
<v Speaker 2>Idea.

01:12:26.180 --> 01:12:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Don't you dare cook.

01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:29.539
<v Speaker 2>Don't talk bad about guar.

01:12:29.750 --> 01:12:30.319
<v Speaker 2>You like guar.

01:12:31.069 --> 01:12:35.810
<v Speaker 2>Uh, I don't like them, but I had to do a whole thing on them at one of my first jobs out of college.

01:12:35.810 --> 01:12:38.479
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like some how emotionally connected to them, you know?

01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:42.560
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I didn't know this about you and your affiliation

01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:43.010
<v Speaker 2>With guar.

01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:43.220
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

01:12:43.220 --> 01:12:46.010
<v Speaker 2>This is the whole root of this is me and guar.

01:12:46.130 --> 01:12:46.489
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:12:46.789 --> 01:12:47.359
<v Speaker 2>So this is all been

01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:48.199
<v Speaker 3>A long setup.

01:12:48.201 --> 01:12:49.279
<v Speaker 3>So you can start plugging guar.

01:12:50.449 --> 01:13:01.220
<v Speaker 2>Uh, if you have, if you have your own, my paranormal firsthand experiences, we do real scary stories, episodes every so often on the show where we feature just like Bob and Robin shared, right.

01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:02.689
<v Speaker 2>Their firsthand experiences.

01:13:02.690 --> 01:13:09.380
<v Speaker 2>So you can write those in email format to us@filmsaboutlunatakesatgmail.com and we are always looking for those sorts of stories.

01:13:09.470 --> 01:13:09.770
<v Speaker 2>Cool.

01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:16.460
<v Speaker 2>And again, check out our Instagram, the lunatics project and our website at Luna shakes, project.com.

01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:26.989
<v Speaker 2>And we'll have the photos up that Bob and Robin took and kind of some more history and details there for you guys to dive into neat as always thank you so much for listening until next time.

01:13:27.140 --> 01:13:27.470
<v Speaker 2>Bye.

01:13:27.539 --> 01:13:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Bye.