Game Mess Mornings 10/27/23
Grubb is joined by Jason Fanelli to chat about Alan Wake 2 updates, a possible Dragon Quest game in the future, Insomniac addressing complaints, and more!
2023-10-27
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Go be bait. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do this for October twenty seventh, twenty twenty three. For the next hour or so, let me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game This Morning's Live with Me Jeff grub Today, Allen wake will get out of bed for DLC and New Game Plus, and Sony defends its PS plus price price hike. But first, please join me and welcome me today's co host the Game Mess Mornings. It's Jason Binelli. Everybody, Jason, how are you doing? I am very very good. Beginning of the week was not great thanks to my baseball team, but we have to recovered. We're over it. We're done. We're all into football and of course games, plenty of games. I want to get your opinion. Is the bank still the toughest place to play? You think is a little bit of a chink in the armor there? What? What do you think? Well, I mean the crowd was not the reason for it. Sure, the team is what let us down. They forgot how to hit. Pitching did its thing, but this high powered offense just went went south. They forgot what small baseball is, and Arizona made them pay. For it because every time Arizona got a guy on first, he stole second, and the next batter or two he had scored a roun, especially in that game seven, and it killed me, absolutely killed me. Yeah, sorry, No, I'm just gonna I'm gonna finish up your thought because I was gonna shift it over to my sports teams. Yeah, it's not so much that they lost. If it was highly competitive seven games, I'd have been fine with it. But as Ham sorrow so casually reminds me in the chat, they choked. Yeah, flat out gave it up. You don't go up two oho and three to two with the last two games being in your home field, the impenetrable fortress, as you said, and lose. You just don't. You just don't. Uh. Yeah, it's rough. I saw a bunch of Phillies fans having a real rough early part of this week. I'm glad. I'm glad you were recovering. Hey, your football team is very good. I'll tell you what. I was in a great place with sports like a week ago, and then the Lions got demolished, just completely embarrassed, which was rough. The Red Wings were doing really great, they're doing really well. And really they're still outperforming expectations, so I should be happy, but I was like, I'm waiting for the other shoot to drop. And of course then last night they get beat four to one by a Winnipeg Jets team that's okay, not great. And then and then of course the Michigan Wolverines. It's god. Yeah, it's like, hey, they're cheaters, a bunch of cheaters, and I'm listen, I'm not going to go in and defend sign stealing. But I didn't care about it. When it was a team that's not my team, the Patriots, I'm like, I don't care about this, so I don't. I definitely don't care about it. When it's the Wolverines, just fucking stop them if they can know what you're gonna do. But whatever, so we'll see what that's gonna end up being. So yeah, it was like top of the world. I was like, man, best sports city in the world, Detroit, they got everything going for him. And then I am paying for my Hubris now exactly. Just immediately down the tubes, we'll say it's the Philly sports experience in a nutshell too. I can understand. Listen, I'm not too worried about the Lions. They they got beat up real bad. I think they're going to bounce back and be okay and probably be able to make the playoffs. I always said if they win a plaoff game, that is the goal for us. So we'll see. All right, we got a lot going on. Let's explain what we do here most weekdays. I Jeff grebelhelp Piecer game me life back together. That includes breaking news and maybe even some of our own original reporting. For all these topics, I'll get the input of a bona fide expert who will make me look smart. If you are watching live on Twitch welcome, You can always listen to the show later on podcast feeds by searching for game Mes Mornings, or find the RSS on Giant Bond dot com. You can also catch the show later with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. Hello YouTube. All right, we have a lot to get into, so let's start the morning mess with alan Wake two gets details for its expansions and new game plus. This is from Cameron with Woolsley at Destructoid. Alan Wake two launches this week and develop a Remedy Entertainment has detailed post launch content, including two expansions and new game Plus mode. The first expansion, Night Springs, is reportedly arriving sometime in spring twenty twenty four. Taking place in the eponymous fictional TV show, Night Springs has you play as several familiar characters from the world of Alan, Wake, Visions, and dreams. This is the other one. I believe fiction is written and coming true. If fiction collapses and remains just words on a page, yes, so this is like them trying to describe it. The Lake House is the second. This is actually the second of the Allan Lake two expansions to get detailed. There isn't currently a release window, but it sounds like more of a continuation of the Bass game story. You once more take on the roles of Alan and Saga in their own respective stories. I haven't finished Allan Wike two. For the people that I have talked to, they're very happy with what happened in there, so I don't get the sense that this is like, oh, this will be the real ending. But I also get the sense from Remedy and Sam Lake and the storytellers over there that they always have more that they want to do with these characters. Sounds like that this is going to be an exploration of that is someone who's into DLCOR happy to hear that. Alan Wick, who's gonna have more anything more from Remedy at this case? I will take it, you know, please, sur may I have some more? They just I am just starting, Allen Wake. I'm actually reviewing it for MMRPG dot com. Code came in a little late for me. Plus this week Phillies Aw Wednesday, Flyers Thursday. I've been around, so just getting into it a couple hours in and I don't do horror well, so I'm really not sure how this is going to go for me. It's spooky, but yeah, but this the fact that they have these plans ready to go and they'll come out like they did. It's very much like Control was, and Control was one of my favorite games of that year twenty nineteen. I want to say, just absolutely phenomenal storytelling and all that. I expect the same here, especially with all the glowing reviews. And yes, I think it's a very bold decision that they're recreating the two thousand and six Keanu Reeves, Sandra Bullock Romcom the Lakehouse in the second DLC here. That's that's amazing and the fact that that actually that that movie actually deals with time is very interesting. I may listen if any video game developer could tackle that tough movie adaptation. It's gonna be Remedy, that's true. The other thing, here's new game Plus is coming, and then they said that'll it's not coming at launch, but they do suggest I'll just read it. Remedy will release a new game Plus mode for allen Way two after its launch. It sounds intriguing. The mode does the usual new Game Plus thing and lets you take all your weapons and upgrades. That comes with a classic Remedy twist. It changes the story by some unknown degree. This is a trend in games, Jason, where developers so like, hey, yeah, we're gonna include new game Plus. It's gonna come relatively soon after we release the game or right at launch, and when you got when you hop into there, it's not just gonna be the same game again. We will be shifting things up and clearly, I think at this point we can we can credit most of the most of this to Neu Automata being such a success, being kind of influential at this point, and then a lot of games taking this and doing a lot of fun stuff with this. Just this year it was Armored Core six Starfield and now this will have New Game Plus modes that are a little bit they're like New Game Plus Plus. They're a little bit more than what you would even expect from traditional New Game Plus. I love this. Not someone who's spent a lot of time with New Game Pluses, but I I started playing the Armor Corps six one and immediately was just kind of like, yeah, I'm gonna keep going with this. And I only got a little bit of the stuff that was kind of changed up a little bit, and obviously you could do the different choices later in the game. But yeah, I'm a huge fan of this, especially in a day when it seems like, yeah, there's a million games come out, and at the same time a lot of people are just sticking with their favorite games and playing them over and over again. So this is great for them, right, Yes, I agree, And I'm not a New Game Plus guy myself. Usually once I'm done the game, I'm done the game. But if they're going to start putting narrative elements or other expansions to the full normal experience into New Game Plus, I think that may change in the very near future. I love this idea. I'm right there with you. It actually makes it seem like New Game Plus yes, or it was just yeah, you get to blow through the same game you already played. Now they're actually adding things to your second playthrough to increase that playability, to make you want more. And especially in this case, if there's narrative changes with the with the the way that Remedy tells their story, it's going to be you know, little lore bits here and there. People by dissecting scenes for months, gimme, gimme, gimmey. I'm all about it. Yep. I every little thing I hear about Allen way too on top of like what I've played of it, just like, man, got to get more and more of this. They are doing some cool stuff. The the teases of hey, they're going to get pretty meta and here's how it's gonna happen. I'm like, okay, I got to see that for myself. Uh So, if they continue to play around with those things in New Game Plus, that's excellent. This game does seem like Remedy is stepping up to the play and really hitting it right where where they they've had that they've had their chances in the past, and I think Alan Wake originally was them like, Hey, we're going to establish ourselves as more than just a max pain people, and we're going to be able to show our show off our strengths and and and and show that we have our own sort of voice in this space. And I think all that stuff worked. But you know, since then, it's been it's quantum break going to work. And obviously control is like controls well, I was surprising. And now to have control and this sort of string together not just hits, but like them once again establishing that their voice isn't just oh it's interesting, it's sort of vital as like we need this in gaming. I think they are completely a They're set up as a triple A studio going in the future, and they're going to be one that you cannot ignore going forward, right, Yes, And I think it goes back to confidence, right. They have confidence in their vision and they have confidence in how they're going to show you that vision. Sometimes it doesn't work to their full what they thought was their full potential Quantum breaks your example there, and sometimes they they're they're the only ones that know that it's going to you know, Wow, the world when it comes out as this control here, both of those things sort of aligned and its meaning and exceeding expectations, and as you said, they are in the driver's seat now. It still boggles my mind that someone pointed this out in GameSpot chat a couple of days ago, that this game doesn't exist and I'm sorry to say this to those who don't like it without Fortnite money. Yeah, that Fortnite money gets them to fund this game. And now we're talking about it as a potential Game of the Year contender in a year that is more loaded than any year that I can remember as far as Game of the Year contenders are concerned. It's amazing and I hope that this, hopefully, this success of this will allow them to start maybe self publishing, and they could become the next Larryon where they make their own stuff, they publish their own stuff, and it just knocks people away. Yeah. Epic definitely deeply involved in this game. That's why it's exclusive on PC to the Epic Game Store. And I think this is the ideal scenario for what Epic should have been doing with that money all along. Now I get that when they were trying to get exclusives to the Epic Game Store. It's like they you can't just wake up one day but like, all right, we're publishing some games. It's like, oh, you got to ease into that. But it's like from the beginning they probably should have been trying to ease into a bit quicker, because it took him a couple of years to get to the point where like, all right, yeah, we're paying to keep games off Steam. What if we just actually took that money and shifted it earlier in the process and enabled developers to make games otherwise wouldn't be able to create, And that its is up here. And now it's like, instead of looking like kind of petty and trying to keep something off a store just to give yourself a little bit of an advantage, now they look like straight up good guys and backing up a creative studio to stretch their legs and really do something special and have a potential game of the year on your hands. Like that is completely different, and I'm like, yeah, this is the way it should be done. I always had criticisms of how Epic was handling that stuff. They were minor criticisms. I wasn't gonna freak out about a game being on at the game store exclusively. But when they shifted to this model, I was like, no, bravo, this is right. No notes, you should listen to work with these awesome studios that are out there that have kind of big budgets that they need and you have a lot of money. That's a perfect pairing. Let's make it happen. So just kind of like win win scenario for everyone involved here. Now, I don't know how much Allen Wake two is going to move people to to Epic Game Store, but as it gets more accolades and is maybe considered for Game of the Year and shows up with the Kiwis or something, that does help it more and more. And we saw like it Takes two right, sold seven million copies kind of you know, it was doing well, and then it got Game of the Year and so even better, like this game could easily get five to ten million copies sold, and then if it becomes like this golden child of the horror genre, that scene is massive, it could get into like you know, easily above ten million copies. So we'll see. I'm pulling for it because I really liked what I've played so far. Yeah, and I like, like I said, I like that Remedy is able to now maybe step into their own and who knows what other new franchises they may include in this new connected universe that they're establishing. They may pull a fast one and like not let us kind of do like the Phantom Pain reveal thing where we don't know it's a Remedy game. Yeah, so you know, Oh, I can't wait. Yes, that's the sky's the little bit. They're working on a lot of games, and Remembery're like going like we now, I only like two got announced. It was like, aren't you making like four or five others as well? And they still are, so a lot of that stuff could get tied in. We'll see. I'm curious and excited to see what happens next with that studio. Sony defends PS plus price hike explains why it won't put games there day one. This comes from Eddie McCoo at GameSpot, A top PlayStation boss has spoken out to defend the recent PlayStation Plus price increase and explains why the company does not bring its games to PlayStation Plus at launch like Microsoft does through Xbox Game Pass. Speaking of barons, which is like a financial news source everybody. PlayStation Senior vice president Eric Limpel was asked to justify the recent PS plus price increase, which saw the premium tier go up to go up by forty dollars. Limp Pell said, like practically everything else in the world, we have to look at our pricing and we have to adjust to market conditions. We want to make PlayStation Plus great. With our reboot last year and introducing the tier system, a lot of consumers have recognized that there's a lot of value in PlayStation five. Limpell further stated that Sony had not previously raised prices for eighty five percent of the world in many years, which is a constant from other subscription services that regularly raise prices. Sony previously raised PS plus prices in twenty seventeen. The new PS plus price increases were announced in August this year, and I think everyone's kind of familiar with how those tiers worked out for this first bit. I think we recognized this, but I do find it interesting that, like it has, it's not that recent. This happened a while ago, right these this price increases like a couple of months ago at this point, at least in my head, it was maybe it's just for the links summertime, right, That's what I thought, and kind of still needed to be out there and defending it. It's a little bit interesting, but I suppose this is an interview with a source that's like, oh, we talked to you guys like once a year or something like that. This is a you know, the big questions. I do think that the price sort of a prospect of PlayStation Plus. Man's a lot of peace is it has been questionable when they raised the I think people were considered. I think I cancel and not cancer. I don't have it right now. I'll get back into it if I need to play an online game, or if suddenly the subscription games start looking really good again. But overall, it doesn't seem like it's hurt Sony too much. Right. Yeah, they're in a position where maybe they do have to defend themselves a little bit, But most people are saying, I bought a PS five, why wouldn't I have PS plus? Right? Right? No, I agree with you, and you'll always have those loyalists who are just going to support them in everything that they do, especially like you said that people are buying the PS five. It does offer a substantial amount of value, especially in those upper tiers with older games and stuff like that. But I still do not understand why this was necessary, especially and we'll get into the second half of this in a minute. That second half is a huge caveat as to what they is why this will always seem inferior to xboxes offering. Xbox does the day one thing, and as long as Sony continues to say no, they're not going to do that, that's going to be a problem for them, at least in optics. And they also I feel like they still need to expand their retro library a little bit more. The PS one PS two stuff is great, and that's the top tiers. That's the most expensive tiers is where you get those classic games, and it's it's slim slim pickens, the slim pickens. There's a couple of heavy hitters in there that still I think still need to show up before that becomes like essential. But right now, yeah, I still don't see it. I didn't cancel it, but I still don't see why it's necessarily Yeah, and I think, yeah, so we got you know, the essentials, then we have extra I think I can never remember the name of the tiers. And then the top one has is the most expensive, like eighteen dollars a month or something like that. You could pay yearly save a little bit, but it was a pretty big increase is there as well, and that's where you get the classic retro games. And it's just that even like before the price increase, that always looked like a weird positioning of the product, and now with the price increas it was very easy to be like, oh, I know what you've been doing with this top tier, I'm just gonna pull back to the second tier. I think a lot of people probably ended up doing exactly that, because on the second tier you do get a lot of relatively new games that are still pretty expensive, and you get them in big bunches, all added to that PS plus service. So yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think for a lot of people who are buying a couple of games per year, you know, you're buying your Call of Duty, your MBA's and maybe one other game that like the marketing really hits you or something. But if you have PS plus extra, then you can like, Okay, well I missed this stuff from last year. I can catch up, and I think it does work for a large number of people, but I think overall, Sony's messaging on this wasn't clear, and I think it's because the way that they have they are offering up it isn't very good at least once you get to that top tier. So they're kind of just like, you know, we would try to convince you go up there, but really, here's a bunch of cool games in this middle tier. Just go there if you want, Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. And I think that, like I said before, the retro is not enough. And also too, there's something to be said about people who don't want an infinite backlog, right, so people who they just want to play their games and that's it, and even that might pull them away from that middle tier and just go to the essential tier after this price hike, because they're like, look, I'm not playing these games as much as I want to. They're just sitting there in my library or sitting there in the PS plus menu for me to look at, but I'm not taking advantage of it. So why when I'm already playing games, if I'm at the front of the line with new twenty twenty three titles, why am I even worrying about things that I haven't played a couple of years ago and I still't have time for. So I wouldn't be surprised if we hear that a lot of people shifted downward both steps yep, if maybe just one yep, and then you still need PlayStation Plus of some variety to play online. So that's going to get a lot of people through Call of Duty and stuff like that. That's honestly still the biggest probably mover and shaker for the whole subscription service, which is why they were so worried about Call of Duty. But that entire time that Microsoft is acquiring Activision. Okay, this continues here. Also in the Baron's interview, limp Pell was for his thoughts on Xbox Game Pass and specifically how the company launches its first party games into the catalog. Sony does not do this with PlayStation Plus. Limpel said PlayStation Plus is very different from game Pass, but he wouldn't be drawn into talking about launching first party PlayStation games on PS plus. It comes down to what you're going to get in the service in terms of the type of game and the quality of games. I can't comment on what the competition is doing. But with us, we feel we're offering a great curated catalog of games as well as other features and services With PlayStation Plus. It's a very different offering, but it's one that resonated with consumers. Since we introduced the tiers, we've seen a third of PS plus user base opt for the upper two tiers, which was more than we had expected in twenty twenty two than this is no no longer the quote in twenty twenty two, outgoing PlayStation boss Jim Ryan said Sony does not put new games of PS plus because the virtuous cycle of investment that leads to commercial payoff would be significantly derailed if Sony were to take that approach. And we know, we know that, like trying to make the math works can get fuzzy once you start putting stuff in there. But that's not our problem, right. We look at the offerings here and when we see it, hey, this does look pretty weird compared to what Xbox is doing. And yet I do go back to I don't think necessarily most people are looking at that way. I think they even if you have both constoles, you have a primary console for a lot of people that probably is going to be PlayStation and they've been happy to buy those big games like this year. Like if you were a PlayStation five owner and I'm primarily playing on the PlayStation five, you maybe you got your third party games there, but you're waiting for that big Sony release and there hasn't been a ton of those this year. Now you get Spider Man and that's one seventy dollars payment. I most people are probably fine with that. And as long as that that like momentum continues to carry I don't see Sony shifting things up too much, even if it does look weird to us from the outside. When we do is side by side comparison, what do you think? Yeah, I think, being you know, so ingrained into the industry as we are, we forget about those people who only buy one or two games a year, so they're only buying the first party, they're only buy in the sports games. So when we sit here and think, well, why aren't they doing exactly what Xbox is doing and offering it to everyone day one, some people just aren't subscribed, or they're only subscribed for the online tier, so they wouldn't benefit from that anyway, right, And they don't think it's as much of a worthy investment or virtuous cycle here. As Jim Ryan said, probably right out of a Metal Gear Solid Delta presentation. But yeah, so I get where they're coming from. But also again, as I said before, optics do not look good. And these quotes right here sound to me like Sony is treating first Party Games Day one on PlayStation Plus as a giant red break glass in case of emergency button like we used to create Square did with Square Inox, like we like you find it among us the big emergency meeting. And when they're ready or when they think they have to, then they'll say this first party game is coming to PS day A PS plus day one, and it won't be a top tier like triple quadruple a game like a Spider Man two never had a chance, or a new God of War for exam Raging that had a chance. They may do it with like the next Uh what was it, Destruction All Stars? Destruction of Stars? Yeah, yeah, something like that, like a second tier maybe like a like a even like an indie published sort of idea. This will be on PS plus day one. Uh, it's technically first party, but it's not that sort of thing, just to test the waters and see how many people are actually downloading it, and then if they find it worthy, then the little bit of the floodgates. But I think it's not happening anytime soon. Yeah, I think you're I think live service games are are are gonna happen relatively soon. Maybe not like right away, but then like the next tier up, like the thing between the things that benefit from having everyone playing and have a lot of micro transactions and free to play commerce stuff built in, and then and then God who are at the top, like they have a couple of games in between there, Maybe some of those start sneaking in on day one. I think for the most part though, they're gonna be happy to just like the live service games make a ton of sense obviously, like Rocket League, go back to that debuted on PS plus and that and it fitted greatly from that. Sony knows that they see those numbers, they were deeply involved in that. They may be like, Okay, when it's time to start launching our live service games, we are gonna be on top of that for sure. But yes, God War Spider Man still no still know and probably and probably not till like the next system, if at all, because for them, like the having the subscription numbers very binishful beneficial to smoothing over the transition from one system to another. And if they feel the need to like, that's when they might need to like break the glass because otherwise I don't see them being in that situation. Now. What they could do too, also is they have their live service games. If you just have the Essential, you can play online. They're free to play, but you don't get anything the next tier. If you're on Extra Tier or Premium tier, you get extra content right up, whether it's micro transaction currency or extra skins, extra whatever. And they could tear it that way. That would encourage people who think if they maybe they try it in the Essential tier and they're like, Okay, yeah, this is bad ass, I'm gonna play this for a long time, then maybe they decide to bump up the PS plus for that extra medx. If they're a whales or or easily influenced like I am every time Forte sails and I'm running around Jack Skellington, I will admit it. But I can see the strategy here. The strategy does sort of make sense, but to the most diehard of fans. The Optics next to Xbox putting Starfield on their Day one are just not going to compare until they decide to make that change. Yep, all right, But we can also see why Sony maybe is making some of these decisions because they feel pretty confident because it is expecting one of its strongest seasons ever in terms of console sales. This is from Tom Iban at VGC. Sony Interactive Entertainment is expecting one of its strongest seasons ever for the PlayStation console sales this holiday. That's according to SIE Senior vice president and head of global Marketing, Eric Limpel, who told Barons via reset Era that this will be the first Christmas shopping season that anyone who wants to buy PS five will be able to find one. Our outlook on PlayStation five is really strong, he said. We're expecting one of the strongest seasons in our history in terms of console sales. It's a combination of the great product we have and the titles that have released since launch, as well as the most recently with Marvel's Spider Man two. Basically, they are saying, hey, the consoles and strong supply. We have tons of supply, and we have a bunch of good games built up, and it's Spider Man two is one of the biggest things releasing in the world. And all that's true and very likely that this this is gonna work out exactly as they're expecting. That's you know how the the console generations typically don't go anyhow where as you're about, this is gonna this should be one of the biggest seasons ever for PlayStation five, even like once we get to the end of generation, look back. Next year will probably be even bigger. That's usually how it goes. You know, three years in it it's still growing. Four years in, it's still growing. Maybe starts a trail off after eight year five, probably not anymore because these days the console generations are even longer. So yeah, this should all line up, and this should put the PS five well back onto that train of outpacing the PS four and being the fastest selling PlayStation console of all time. So yeah, that explains a lot of their decision making. Right, if you have something that's selling like this, you can be more restrained with the things that you're that you're doing to get people entangled in other ways of pain, right, Yeah, And you know, first of all, it's about time, right, three years it took them to finally get where they want to be. Anybody who can get one can get one. The bundles will help, the new slimmer model will help. I think as well. Yeah, yeah, I think they're in it. They are in a good position. And there are even like some things that were out of their control that are tipping in their favor. I think of Balder's Gate three. It's only on one home console right now because of whatever's going on on the Xbox side. You can only play that on a console on PlayStation five. So someone who's an RPG fan or a D and D fan is who's making that decision about consoles this year. That may sway them to PlayStation five. And that's an an unforced ero on Xbox part, as I understand them. So they have sweater Man two, which just came out, the games that have already come out so far. Horizon is very good, God of War is very good. People who have waited on them now be able to get them cheaper, or they get Spider Man two in a bundle and then get those games later on. Uh. There are a couple of things we have not talked about yet. Two letters in particular, we'll get into that's an interesting little question mark. But so far, Yeah, I think I think this is their go. They're getting on pace, as you said, to out sell PS four and this and next year will kind of cement that as what's going to happen. Yep. I think this also says to me that, hey, that that PlayStation plus Slim, there's gonna be a ton of those, because the idea is the PlayStation of five Slim is supposed to replace the original model for yeah, both physical and digital right eventually as it phases out. I guess that maybe that maybe that's a bigger reason why they'll have plenty because they're gonna have all the previous supply as well as its new supply coming in at the same time. But my guess here is no, the PS five SLAM probably much easier to produce, and they I've been, you know, running those machines NonStop, so it should be good to go. And yeah, like you says, anyone who wants one should be able to find one, and that's that will be very different even than last year where things started to get better, But really was this year that things finally settled down fully and now you can walk into a store and see these things on shelves and which I've seen multiple times now. Yeah. Yeah, And I feel like I've heard less even already this holiday see early holiday season of people not being able to get consoles that I ever have in the last three years since PS five has come out. Yeah, I don't think I've seen anybody yet, which is pretty cool. I think we are fully on the other side of that. That's what it seems like. All Right, We're gonna take a quick break. When we get back, we've got a lot more news. We'll talk about what's happening maybe with Dragon Quest. We'll see what Nintendo has to say about why it's so quiet about that Mario voice actor stuff. All after this and we're back and we're talking about dragon Quest. Announcement could be imminent. This is from my Nintendo News. The dragon Quest has a number of games up their sleeves, but the one we are waiting for is the next mainline dragon Quest video game, dragon Quest twelve. The Flames of Fate JOYCESK Sito, the producer behind dragon Quest eleven, s echoes of an elusive age as tas fans on social media platform Twitter by saying that this has that his team had a super fun recording session today and that it was a long one. He concluded by saying that he will let us know more once it is okay to share a full announcement, so we will have to wait a little longer to see which Dragon Quest game the announcement is for. We had a fun recording session at work. It was a long one, but it was fun. I'll let you know when I get the okay to make the announcements. People have been expecting Dragon Quest twelve news for a while now. Probably not gonna happen before the end of this year, but could happen very soon, and this game could be out relatively quickly after that. I'm thinking probably by the end of next year. Are you a dragon Quest fan? Is this news excite you? I appreciated dragon Quests in the past. DS was like my dragon Quest era, sure, that's when I played good games on there. In particular five was very very good. I do think, though, that I don't see this game coming out until holiday of next year, if only because Square Nix doesn't want to cannibalize its other huge release coming out early. Now, maybe you see a quick tease at the Achilles, or maybe you see a quick teas at a state of play early in the year, like a February January area. But I wouldn't expect a huge like reveal on this until maybe Summer Game Fest or sometime in the summer and then leading into a holiday release in that sense. But yes, more core dragon Quest games are always good, just to see how they change up their own formula. A lot of people see them and think they're all like just normal, not normal standard JRPGs, But I've always thought they had a lot of special things going for them. Have not played eleven yet. That's very much on my ever growing backlog. That's what I do want to get into. I had it on game Pass, but I think it went away, so I missed the boat there. But yeah, more dragon Quest is always good. So I have to say I always love when producers and you know, even voice actors are allowed to make little teas yeah, just to rekindle the flames, say yeah, we're working on it, Like yeah, if you wanted something to talk about, yeah, here's a little something that's good. Yeah, because silence sucks, right, you hear about this game and all of a sudden, it's all thrown in your face. Just some breadcrumbs would be nice once in a while, and dragon Quest fans seem to have one that's very nice. I do wonder if saying it's a recording session, maybe that implies that, like some some English stuff for dragon Quest ten offline maybe coming here. I don't know if that would be the case. Again, I don't know a lot about dragon Quest ten the online version versus the offline version, but maybe maybe that's what he's teasing here. That could be cool as well. Although dragon Quest twelve is the big one, I played a lot of dragon Quests eleven. I didn't beat it or anything, it didn't get anywhere close to doing that. But I started it up when I was on paternity leave a couple of years ago, got a while ago now four years ago, and I just sort of accidentally played like fifteen hours of it. But the one I was like, I'm just going to check this out, and then I just kept playing because it was so much fun. So if I played fifteen hours of dragon Quest, that so that means it's a really good game and people should definitely check that one out while you wait for Dragon Quest twelve. All right. Nintendo of America president on secrecy surrounding a new Mario voice actor. This is from Nintendo Everything. Nintendo of America President Doug Bowser has briefly commented on the secrecy surrounding new Mario the Mario voice actor. The company announced in August that Charles Martinez, who held the role for many years, would be moving on. However, Nintendo left fans guessing as to who would be taking over the part. It wasn't until just a few days before the release of Super Mario Brothers. Wonder came out that we learned that Kevin Afghani was given the role. That and that came from his own personal social media account. Doug Bowser had this to say about the secrecy while speaking with Wired. We want people to enjoy the gameplay experience, and if they enjoy the voice, the voice behind the gameplay experience, that's the most important to us. Not necessarily highlighting Mario's actor. I think this kind of I think they're like slowly revealing, like, yeah, we actually didn't want people always thinking about Charles Martine instead of thinking about Mario. And even though they're keeping Martinee around as an ambassador, and I'm kind of like, yeah, I no like people asking about Martinee or whatever, people asking about the voice actor. That's not what we want. We want to avoid that. I think this is Nintendo being weird for no real good reason, because who does this hurt? Nintendo? Chill out about this stuff. Yeah, we like the people behind the stuff that make the things that we like, like it's yeah, of course we do, and so we want to support them or we want to celebrate them. And you getting weird about that and pretending like all these games are made by little elves inside of trees. It continues to be odd. I don't know, how do you read this now? I wonder, and I this may just me be, you know, thinking about the negative aspects of social media. If they had come out and announced him immediately, right when they announced that Charles Martineau wasn't coming back, I don't know how well that would have went for him, that's true. I mean, so I wonder if they were just waiting for him to do it naturally, or for his name to be in the credits and allow it to just happen organically. Even when he did announce it on his own social media account. That wasn't entirely great if you went and looked, so I think that that secrecy actually benefited him. However, I do agree with you, why are you so weird between the tournament the tournament announcement earlier this week community tournament announcement. Don't you be spilling your milk on your controller while you're playing in a tournament? It's good lord, and now this it is. I will never understand why they do weird stuff like that. I do according to Like with the not necessarily hi highlighting Mario's actor, it almost sounds like they want him to be Mickey Mouse. Yeah, right, do you know who Mickey Mouse's voice actory? Well, you might because you're a dad and you see the credits all the time. Christy multiples, I can't great name. I don't know something like that. Yeah, but yeah, if if you don't know who Mickey Mouse's voice, it's been the same voice since the twenties or the thirties when he started talking. Yeah. So if that's what they're going for now that Martinette gone, fine, but say that, say that you're just you know, we're not putting as much emphasis on him anymore, No offense to Martinee. He's our ambassador. Now he's going to go kiss the babies and shake the hands and all that. But from now on, the voice is so ubiquitous and so easy to not easy to recreate completely. I've gone it did a great job. Let's not say that. But you know, I kind of get if they want to go to Mickey Mouse route because he's such a big, big role, but just come out and say that. Yeah, I mean, just not being weird exactly. Yes, I think when they're like explaining Martine's retiring is going to be ambassador and the Martiners, I don't know what that means. It's like, clearly there's other motivations here. And yeah, I do think Nintendo should be more clear with their motivations when they are trying to explain this, especially when it involves real people's livelihoods and all this stuff. But yeah, yeah, I agree, Kevin f Ghani did a great job. I really just loving Wonder, continue to love Wonder. And when they when he says Wowey's Ali, I'm like, that's not been said before. And then I'm like, no, that's great, give me more. Wowyes, Alis that's good stuff. Flower talking. The flower talking all throughout the different stages is great. I know it was in the trailer, but I still laughed when look at that guy and then you kill it's like, oh, well then okay. It's really it's really it's like well comedically timed and it's really like, I don't know, it's cute, and it's never too much because it's like one line per level. Maybe maybe a couple of lines, but it's like very small stuff, and it's over before like once you realize he's talking, he's almost already done, so it's like, oh, it's just a quick little comment thrown out and it's not not anywhere near him, not obnoxious. I'm actually really impressed that they were able to like strike to strike that balance of we're going to be throwing these kind of these jabs out there and they're not necessarily you the player, but it's like just like hit commenting on what's happening, and it's never weird er obnoxious. That's tough to pull off, and they really really didn't. I like it a lot. All right, A couple more stories here. Insomniac Ca apologizes as it patches out Spider Man two's Cuban flag by the Cuban flag mustake this from Chris Scullion at VGC. A new patches rolled out for Spider Man two which fixes the flag in Miles Morales home. Since the game's release, players had been pointing out that Miles had a large draped of one of the on one of the walls of his house, and it had appeared to be the national flag of Cuba. However, Miles and his family have no connection to Cuba and are of Puerto Rican descent instead. The flags of Puerto Rico and Cuba have a similar design, with each featuring five stripes and a triangle on the left hand side and a star in the middle. Their colors are different, however, with the Cuban flag having a red triangle and blue stripes, with the Puerto Rican flag triangle having blue stripes and the Puerto Rican flag having a blue triangle and red stripes. I'm not great with flags. I understand how this happens, and yet it's like, man, that's a bummer. But they came out and they said, hey, today's patch corrects an air where the Cuban flag was incorrectly displayed. Instead of the Puerto Rican flag. We understand that accurate representation matters and greatly regret this air. We sincerely apologize, and we'll do better in the future. And what else can you say. It's a game that does take pride in its representation, and rightfully so does a really good job. There's some real, great, authentic culture in this game from a variety of places, whether it's like representing Harlem or representing these characters and their family and their heritage. So a mistake like this is going to stand out. But I also think most players are like, hey, this doesn't look great. We give you a benefit of doubt. We do. If you want to come out and apologize, you should, And here it is. Here's the apology, no excuses. They just straight up said, this are bad, We're going to fix it. This is the right thing to do, of course, and I'm glad that they were at a place where studios can be like, yes, we will fix this and we're sorry. Right yeah. Blueprint, absolute blueprint for how other gaming companies should do this going forward. It it was an honest human mistake from someone who may not be familiar with flags. As you said, they immediately solve the feedback, addressed it and it's already fixed and now everyone can move on. There was nothing insidious behind it. There was nothing, you know, it wasn't controversial by any means. They just made a mistake. They came out said they greatly regretted it. The apology is great, and I don't think anybody's going to against them. They may there may be some jokes, you know, between now and the end of the year, but eventually people just gonna forget it even happened. Yep. So yeah, I'm with you on this. This is how simple stuff like this that can be easily fixed. And maybe it was just someone not knowing the difference between two things in a culture. Flags, you know, some flags are very similar. Ivory Coast in Ireland, believe it or not, are almost identical. Mm hmm. So that's it. It's a mix up. It happens. It's human error, and I'm glad that it was able to be fixed quickly and addressed so succinctly. This is how it should be done from here on out. Yeah. Yeah. At a certain point, your brain just fills in the blanks too, and you're like, walk past the flag in the game, You're like it's supposed to be the part of rihcom flags, so it's the Puerto Ricom flag and you don't even like look at it all that closely. Again, I see how it happens. It's uh and I'm glad, but I'm glad they came out apologized, and you're right. By the end of the year, we won't remember it. UH City Skyline two developer provides update on Pride to update on performance issues and post release plans. As comes from georgiaing at GameSpot City Skyline two developer Colossal Order has provided an update about the game's post release plans and its goals going forward. This includes targeting a solid thirty frames per second with the game, as well as fixing performance issues. Colst Order said that it's working on improvements to the game, such as removing stutters, optimizing and balancing GPU performance, and pushing CPU optimizations. The studio is also looking at expanding the options for upscaling solutions. Both FSR two and DLSS two require the use of temporal anti alien scene, which is not possible at the moment due to some objects being incompatible with that technique. Colossal Order set in a forum post we are currently working towards making this possible, which will not only help to boost performance, but also also provide a better quality anti aalysting solution than the one we currently use. Furthermore, costs. Order wants to aim to aim for a steady thirty frames per second for the game. As it explains, there isn't any really long term benefit for a city bill or to aim for a higher one, unlike other genres such as a multiplayer shooter. I think that makes some sense, Jason. We're saying, oh, yeah, hey, we like our fidelity and you don't need to have every frame for perform I still hope it's relatively easy to get about thirty frames per second. I still like it in a lot of games, even when it's not necessary for a performance like player performance. This game is far away from sixty frames per second, though, so getting the thirty frames per second would be real nice. How are you feeling these days about a game coming out like this in a busy time of year and being full price, ready to go, and kind of feeling like it's in early access? Still not great if I mean, all they had to do was say early access or even call it a beta, right, yep, and you know, fix these things with a live environment and people in the game. With a game like this, I feel like those frames are more beneficial when you can like zoom in on each street and see the little people living their lives. And I want that too. I want thirty or even sixty if you can do that, to zoom in and see them. But like, yes, to get back to your question, this it feels it feels off something something about this between the warning that they gave week where they were flat out like this is not gonna launch the way you might want it to, but we're doing it anyway. And now this something is rotten in Denmark. I don't know what it is, but this is this is Paradox, right, And I think I think Paradox is kind of feeling some a crunch in terms of maybe the availability of capital and being able to move from one project to the next. And they just had Lamp Lighters League and they let that studio go and we're already writing that game off basically, so it doesn't seem like Paradox is in a great situation. That seems to be seems to be a not common but a something that has happened frequently in a lot with a lot of publishers in Europe right now, where maybe they are feeling a little bit more of the slam of inflation and a slowing down economy than some of the publishers in other parts of the world, where it's like, yeah, Japan seems mostly okay right now, and a lot of publishers in the United States, Yeah, they're laying people off, but they're not like shutting down a ton of studios. But Embracers like, no, it's your sale. Everything's gone bad, And obviously we know what's gone with them, gone wrong with Embracer, and it doesn't seem like paradox is in that situation, but they're on that spectrum somewhere, and it seems like that means a game like City Skylines Too has to come out. It's okay, that's not great, but hopefully they can kind of push through it and fix the game up and get it to a point where it's gonna and they probably will. I think so the City Skylines Too, with the people that have played it so far that I've talked to, seem to think, hey, fundamentally, the underlying game here is very good. I like a lot about it, but I just wish it ran better. It's like, okay, well that's that does seem like something they're going to be able to get to. And then all the stuff about oh and all the DLC that I got with the last game that was never going to work, but it doesn't work, so kind of waiting around to see how they support this game. They will probably support it as well, but first they just got to get it running at a decent clip. I mean, people are running this thing on pretty powerful GPUs and getting fifteen frames per second and that's just not going to work for most people. So we'll see. They're banking on the goodwill of their fan base, right they know they have, right, they're changing the goodwill for like a little bit of like, can we get some money now because we got to sell this thing. Yeah, that's risky because that good will is not with fire infinite or permanent, and if they keep screwing up that that's gonna hurt them. And they have they did have a lot of good will, right because City Skylines was the game that provided that genre. A beacon of light at the top of the hill after sim City into twenty thirteen, so it's like, Okay, I get it, Like you did all that work in that effort to build up that goodwill, but it's very easy to lose that stuff. So we'll see. I don't think they've burned it quite yet, but they do. Got to fix this up and pretty quickly. Two more stories here. Eight years later, Batman Arkham Knight just got a new movie batsuit. This is from Darren Bonthus at GameSpot, eight years after release and several years since its last since it last received a new addition to the bat wardrobe. Batman Arkham Knight has been updated with a brand new set of threads for the caped crusader to wear while he rearranges the teeth of middles running loose in Gotham, or technically a new pat suit over on the epic game Store version of Arkham Knight. Via geek ViBe's Nation, owners of that game can dress up as Robert Pattinson's incarnation of the Dark Knight, who first appeared in twenty twenty two's The Batman film. This doesn't appear to be a mod that has been slipped into the game, but a brand new costume that has officially been added as an optional outfit that can be worn throughout Batman's battle against Arkham Knight. So what's the deal here? Rock Study hasn't made any mention of the costume on its social channels yet, and there's no hint of it being inserted into the game at all, making this a complete surprise. The one theory is that it's linked to the upcoming Switch release of the Batman Arkham Trilogy, which was originally meant to launch on October twenty sixth before it was delayed to December. First, that seems like a reasonable explanation here that they, yeah, I think wanted to put a little bit extra in there for the Switch release, and of course why wouldn't you then put that everywhere else? But that's still it's weird. I don't know, Robert Pattinson, the Batman suit in an eight year old game. Hey, video games have changed a lot to the point where like this does make some sense. But it's just like for a game that's kind of was dormant for years to then get one new small piece of DLC out of nowhere. Strange, right, it is strange, but also breaking news to Game mess mornings Ign reporting that the suit is now removed. Oh okay, yes, it wasn't supposed to be there. It seems like it wasn't supposed to pop in there, right, so yes, and so yeah it's removed. Probably going to drop now when this game comes to the switch, if it is going to drop it, I mean, this is not going to disappear forever and just be like, oh that was weird. This is something, right, Yeah, maybe it's some sort of weird viral tests or viral marketing test to see if they could do that. Yeah, maybe pull the plug out real quick. But but no, this definitely seems like it wasn't supposed to be there. The fact that they're adding it to a nearly decade old game is very weird, unless there's some other, you know, aspect to it, which it could be the trilogy. Since the truth I think honestly, they just they just they didn't change the uh you know, when you the scheduled tweet, they didn't change the date, right, That's what it seems like. If they was supposed to come out today and then it didn't, but then the suit dropped and it did. Yeah, they just they forgot to move the scheduled tweet to design ye exactly. Someone just did that and they're like, all right, we're good, and then they and then they didn't think about it again, which I totally see how that happens. So I think you're on about that. But this also says to be though, like, don't expect another like Batman game anytime too soon. That that's gonna be several years off where we could have put a suit like that in there. Instead, let's just put it in the old game. Right. Yeah, well they're busy suicide squadding too, right, they still they're very busy suicide squad Man. I keep forgetting that game one, what's ever coming out? Two hasn't come out, and three is still coming out next early next year. So yeah, hard to believe. Yeah, we'll me listen, I'll play it. I'll give it a fair shake, but I just have no interest in it as we stand right now. But yeah, one interest in it, and that's Samoa Joe is King Shark. Yes, hey, shout out to smo Joe. While that he gets to that, I'm just like, well that he's a voice in a video game for for a comic book character, but in a TV show of a video game, he's just a body and then someone else does the voice when he played sweets. Take it over, ye, take it over as he should? As he should? All right? Then Disney dream Light Valley, leaving early access in December, will not go free to play. This comes from Jason Finelli over at game Spot with Yeah, pretty good, dude. With over a year of early access time now laud game Loft has announced that Disney dream Light Valley, the animal crossing esc life sim featuring a who's who of Disney characters, will fully launch globally on December fifth. However, the news comes from him with a major caveat. Despite originally being touted as a free to play title, game Loft his change course and elected not to go that route anymore. Jason going to explain the rest of it, like what do you know what they're thinking? Was like, what do they say about this? Do they give an explanation? And is the explanation? We see how people let people like Janachoa play our game, and we know we can get more money from them. We can get more money Jan. So the blog posts that they put up and I'll bring it up here as we're talking. They basically there's a whole paragraph about it where it basically sounds to me like they had or they thought they had two options. They were either going to make it free to play and charge for every update, right when they had already sent a precedent that free content updates were gonna be the thing, or they were gonna keep it at a premium you know, entry fee, but then still be able to produce free content updates. Now that makes sense to me. But later on in the blog they also say that the next major update is a paid expansion. Huh, So it's paid story, it's extra characters and all that. So those two things don't jive. Yah. Does it sound like they're gonna have like bigger paid expansions and then but like maybe those will still come with like free aspects that everyone gets. Like, how does this seem like it's gonna work? So this next one that they're revealing it the full details next week, it's called a Rift in Time. The image that we see shows like Agriba and Gaston and Eve from Wally Rapunzel is back there, so and it looks like the dream Light Valley is actually being taken over by some of these lands. Oh okay, So I wonder if like they're starting to bleed in. If you finished the first early access season's storyline, which I highly recommend you do, it actually goes some pretty deep places regarding growing up. I was very surprised. There's like a teaser on the wall of like you see the dream Light Valley and then it's pointing to these floating islands. How do we get there? And then Jaafar's shadow appears, kind of like teasing what's going on in future. So yes, it's a very complicated lore here in dream Light Valley, but it's I'm guessing that they're going to make the big expansion story with brand new biomes and brand new places to play. Paid expansions like this, It does say expansion pass, so that may include a bunch of things, but still have smaller updates, be they like the occasional character who doesn't fit in, or say a new movie comes out and it gets very very popular, uh with with the fan base and they want to insert something like how Encanto Mirabelle was added in. I feel like was not added in earlier than they expected to even though she came out what this year? I think so I kind of get their vision, but the problem for me is the whole. Yes, we're still going to offer free content, but we're also have this big expansion pass that there's a clarity there that needs to be presented by game Loft and maybe this November one livestream will do that. But right, yeah, there's a lot of confusion. I was in the discord for Dream Light Valley before we got on here. Yes I am a card carrying discord number and mixed at best is how I would put reaction to this announcement. I mean, they got explained and to do right. This does feel like, hey, we had we had a plan. Uh we didn't necessarily get hit in the mouth, but but we have a We got smacked a little bit with reality of like what the appetite is for games these days that have they're constant and that you're always playing, and we found an audience and Disney Dream of the Valley was a success. But once the rubber met the road, we saw like, hey, it makes more sense to do this and it's not what we plan to do and it's probably not what you were expecting, and maybe it's not the thing that everyone would prefer, but it's the one that enables this game to keep going, so they're going to try to put as pretty of address on it as possible, I would imagine. And it doesn't seem like the end of the world either, Like, hey, if fans want this game, the most of them probably be like, okay, this is what has to happen, fine, right, right, Yeah, And the good thing is this game was never free to play. It was it started as you founders packed to get in. So anyone who's already playing it right now has already paid their entry fake exactly. Everything carries over, so nothing's getting lost. That that is a good thing, right, So that helps them maintain like, hey, no, we're just not going to change anything to what like what we said were originally going to change it too, so yeah, that makes a lot of sense. But those people still have to pay the expansion pass fee, so that kind of that's and that's where the jive is. That's where that's where the uh, the messaging is clashing, and that's what needs to be ironed out. What will be free? What will free content be later on? Are you going to gate all of your character editions right behind these That has not happened so far. No, every character has been free in this early access so far that has been added, and it went from like a roster of ten to now like over twenty if my memory serves. So there's a ton of people in there or characters in there, and for them to now decide no, only new editions are going to be gate kept behind expansion passes, that's not going to go well. So they may have already opened Pandora's box and they're trying to find a way to close it again, and that just might not happen. So we'll see last little bit of news here breaking. This comes from the gb dooter seed on Twitter. People in Hanky star Rail are rioting because they think the devs made a character's ass smaller as part of a new costume and character update. So we'll get more details about that next week, I'm sure. And really, look the chat. The chat was exploding about butts and I had no idea what was going on. But now that's just normal for chat. They're always exploding for butts in chat. That's what's happening over there. But hey, yeah, someone's got to do something that stop the button shrinking. That's it's a terrible butts. It's an epidemic of smaller butts, and we won't will not stand for it again. All Right, we have a poll question from yesterday. I'm gonna bring that up right now. Have you played the original Alan Wake before? I have, but only a little bit. But I'm gonna say yes because that counts. Fifty eight percent say yes, forty two percent said no. Holy shit, that's a lot of people saying yes. That's three thousand votes. There's a lot of Allen Wake fans out there. You guys are out there like representing. I would imagine that's gonna be beneficial. I mean, list in, that game has been everywhere at this point and re released and on sale a million times, and it is like a spooky game, I kind of thing you could revisit every year. So I'm not too surprised a lot of people played this. But I think my question going in Allen Like two is are people who haven't played out in like two going to show up for that game? It sounds like it doesn't matter. Most people have a history with Alan Wake and they're going to hop right into it. So Yeah, as someone in chat points out, I think the fact that their release control got that fan base and then we're released Yeah, people went back to get their mind right. And now going into Allen Wake two, that was a very smart sequencing by Remedy. They're just firing almost cylinders man. Really. Yes, they've got the synergy going between their various stuff and that's that's really working out for them. All right. I have a new poll question that we will ask and answer on Monday. But first, Jason, why don't you tell people where they can find you what you have going on? All that good stuff? So you can find me on Twitter X what are we calling it now? Whatever I just called livered is today at be at me too, big man, Finelle. Uh. That's where you get my musings about video games and Philadelphia sports and pro wrestling and all that good stuff. So follow me on there if you like what you see here. A couple of I'm writing news for game Spot regularly. You'll see my byline there, a couple of reviews in the pipeline, a couple things like I said that I got code late on You'll see me on m M O RPG dot Please support them. Joe Bradford, great dude over there, and yeah, that's where that's where I spend the most of my time. I'm happy to be here. I hope I can be back again. So you absolutely and yeah, thank man. Yeah, I appreciate you helping us out with tam Oh. Yeah, what's up? So sorry? I have a podcast. I am an idiot? Yeah, yeah, what's the podcast? Tell people about it. I have a podcast called Cheese, Steaks and Controllers Philadelphia, Video Games and Esports. I recently my most recent episode was this past Wednesday, had Orange Cassidy, current AWA champion, came and talked to me for twenty minutes. He revealed to me the game that is the most stress inducing in the locker room and it is not a w fight forever. So that's okay. I'm very curious now. And then I also in my second segment, I talked about my trip to Japan in August, because this is my first episode in two months. And then that ended with two of the Pokemon Unite broadcasters, Zinks and Spragel's separate interviews with them talking about the Unite meta and the competition circuit. There very very cool stuff. Please go support that wherever you get your podcasts. Say to name again on listening Cheese Steaks and Controllers. If you're done listening to Giant bombcasts. Go listen to my stuff. I would very much appreciate it. Fantastic, fantastic. All right, we have a new poll question and it is wait, is Super Mario Brothers Wonder the best online game of the year? Yes or no? And I know my answer. Holy crap. It's a fun, fun, fun video game. We'll discuss that on Giant Bomb on Monday. Jane, do we have Monday off for some reason? I feel like I think my kids are off school Monday, but I don't think we are. Maybe they just have an in school workday or something like that. Okay, but we'll talk about it next week regardless on Giant Bomb. Speaking of Giant Bomb, we will be having a upf here in a little bit and a whole bunch of other fun stuff happening on the website, and then you know, we'll get back into the swing things next week. Tell them though, Jason, thank you so much for spinning today talk with me about video games. You know, I appreciate it of course, any anytime. And a real quick shout out to Jan put my link to my Spotify podcast right there in the chat, So thank you, Jane, appreciate you shouts to Jan and shots to you all. You are the best audience in gaming. Thank you for watching. 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